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$:/STARTFEED. Over half a million pounds damages and a complete | :00:12. | :00:17. | |
clearing of his name. Tonight we reveal the story and the outcome of | :00:17. | :00:21. | |
a four-year struggle by a Middlesborough solicitors against | :00:21. | :00:25. | |
Cleveland police force. There is no higher award of exemplary damage | :00:25. | :00:29. | |
that is a court could make. That is the clearest recognition on the | :00:29. | :00:34. | |
Chief Constable's part that the conduct of her officers was utterly | :00:34. | :00:40. | |
indefensible. Also tonight at the G7. The German | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
Finance Minister is warned by the Americans to ease up on European | :00:43. | :00:47. | |
austerity. Is that policy really worsening as and economic crises | :00:47. | :00:51. | |
across the west. We will hear the views from economists working in | :00:51. | :00:57. | |
Germany, Greece and the US. It's gats bee. He was a German spy | :00:57. | :01:04. | |
urgh the war. I heard he killed man. The roaring '20s alive in Baz | :01:04. | :01:09. | |
Luhurmann's The Great Gatsby, and a shrew of musicals and plays. | :01:09. | :01:19. | |
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Request is F Scott Fitzgerald still a book for our sometimes. Good | :01:20. | :01:24. | |
evening, in 2009 James Watson was one of the most prominent defence | :01:24. | :01:28. | |
solicitors in the north-east of England. Those he defended included | :01:28. | :01:32. | |
some very high-profile criminals, then one morning in June that year | :01:32. | :01:36. | |
his life changed. His family home was raided, his property seized and | :01:37. | :01:40. | |
he faced a major police investigation into perverting the | :01:40. | :01:44. | |
course of justice. Why? That's the question Mr Watson has spent four | :01:44. | :01:49. | |
years trying to answer. Tonight Newsnight can reveal that Cleveland | :01:49. | :01:55. | |
Police force has agreed to pay damages of more than �500,000. They | :01:55. | :01:58. | |
have admitted false imprisonment and there were never any grounds to | :01:58. | :02:06. | |
suspect him of any offence. Every room, every drawer had been | :02:06. | :02:11. | |
turned out. It looked as if we had been burgled, basically. Having to | :02:11. | :02:16. | |
tell my 87-year-old mother I had been arrested, and there is no | :02:16. | :02:20. | |
hiding these things was something probably the worse of it. I could | :02:20. | :02:25. | |
actually hear them laughing. Which was something that it shocked me | :02:25. | :02:33. | |
and angered me. Early one morning in June 209 Cleveland Police came | :02:33. | :02:41. | |
to arrest -- 2009 Cleveland Police came to arrest James Watson. His | :02:41. | :02:45. | |
wife Rita and their two sons were held in one room of the house for | :02:45. | :02:49. | |
more than seven hours. As a mother I have devoted my life to ensure | :02:49. | :02:55. | |
our two sons have a safe and secure home. And Cleveland Police violated | :02:55. | :03:05. | |
that on that day. He was taken to north allen to North Allerton | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
Police Station and questioned for 30 hours. He was requested on | :03:09. | :03:13. | |
perverting the course of justice before being released on bail. | :03:13. | :03:17. | |
James Watson is one of the most prominent defence lawyers in the | :03:17. | :03:20. | |
north-east of England. Cleveland Police began their investigation | :03:20. | :03:30. | |
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into him after his cliend Bronson Tyers was found guilty of alleged | :03:32. | :03:39. | |
kidnap and then acquitted on a retrial. He was arrested but never | :03:39. | :03:43. | |
charged with any offence over questions about intimidation of | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
witnesses to change their statements. The question is why | :03:46. | :03:51. | |
have they done that, is this one individual officer's sour grapes | :03:51. | :03:55. | |
after losing a provincial high- profile criminal trial. Or were | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
there more important powerful figures in Cleveland who wanted to | :04:00. | :04:03. | |
be rid of me and didn't care how much public money was spent in | :04:03. | :04:13. | |
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doing so. I can only bounce the question back to you. The police | :04:15. | :04:18. | |
spent two years investigating James Watson. The question is, why? It is | :04:18. | :04:23. | |
hard to know for certain. Cleveland Police had a habit of not writing | :04:23. | :04:25. | |
things down. They were supposed to be taking notes during the | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
investigation of the decisions they made and the rational behind them. | :04:29. | :04:34. | |
Yet they failed to do -- rationale behind them, yet they failed to do | :04:34. | :04:38. | |
so. There isn't even a recording of their interview with James Watson. | :04:38. | :04:43. | |
According to the police, all six tapes and all six back-up tapes | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
failed to record. Newsnight has seen an Independent Police | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
Complaints Commission report, written by a senior officer at West | :04:51. | :04:56. | |
Yorkshire Police, and is highly citl ka of the way Cleveland's -- | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
critical of the way Cleveland Police investigated James Watson. | :05:00. | :05:04. | |
It is highly critical of Chief Inspector Anthony Riordan. It says | :05:04. | :05:09. | |
he behaved as if he was hell bent on cornering his quartery. It says | :05:09. | :05:16. | |
his attention had become focused on haultly on James Watson and this | :05:16. | :05:19. | |
had the effect of clouding his judgment. Chief Inspector Riordan | :05:19. | :05:24. | |
came to the Old Bailey to apply for warrants to search James Watson's | :05:24. | :05:30. | |
property. According to the IPCC, much of the evidence he presented | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
today the judge was unsubstantiated. The judge was left with an | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
impression that there were reasonable grounds to suspect James | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
Watson of money laundering. This wasn't true. Event here at the Old | :05:42. | :05:46. | |
Bailey could well explain why the Chief Constable of Cleveland Police | :05:46. | :05:52. | |
cannot defend her officers against the claim that these warrants were | :05:52. | :05:58. | |
maliciously pro-kur cured. The shen -- Procured. The shenan begans at | :05:58. | :06:02. | |
the Old Bailey, appalling as they may be to an outsider looking at | :06:02. | :06:05. | |
them for the first time is the sort of behaviour cloveland Police have | :06:05. | :06:10. | |
been up to in small things and big, for the bulk of my professional | :06:10. | :06:15. | |
career. Chief Inspector Riordan had seized 26 boxes from James Watson. | :06:15. | :06:19. | |
They included highly-sensitive documents, which were covered by | :06:19. | :06:24. | |
legal privilege. The investigating team hoped to find incriminating | :06:24. | :06:29. | |
evidence. Instead the Crown Prosecution Service said that the | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
documents exonerated him. Despite this Cleveland Police kept hold of | :06:33. | :06:36. | |
the files for several more months and continued to treat James Watson | :06:36. | :06:41. | |
as a suspect. There were times when I would worry and think well how | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
far are they prepared to push things here, even though I knew | :06:44. | :06:47. | |
there was nothing there. When you are against people who are prepared | :06:48. | :06:54. | |
to go to the lengths they went to. I think they wanted to ruin us, | :06:54. | :06:59. | |
basically. Newsnight put to Anthony Riordan the criticisms made by the | :06:59. | :07:09. | |
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IPCC, and James and Rita Watson. He As for the IPCC's comments about | :07:41. | :07:45. | |
evidence at the Old Bailey being unsubstantiated, Mr Riordan says he | :07:45. | :07:50. | |
was reliant on the expertise of others. It has taken James Watson | :07:51. | :07:55. | |
four years to clear his name. For the Chief Constable of Cleveland | :07:55. | :07:59. | |
Police to admit it that there were no reasonable ground to suspect him | :07:59. | :08:04. | |
of any offence. The Chief Constable has also agreed to correct police | :08:04. | :08:09. | |
records to ensure that no vestige of suspicion remains against James | :08:09. | :08:14. | |
Watson, his family or his colleagues. Cleveland Police have | :08:14. | :08:19. | |
agreed to pay more than half a million pounds in damages. | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
Including �80,000 in exemplary damages. They admit to falsely | :08:24. | :08:28. | |
imprisoning James Watson and his family. To trespass and to wrongful | :08:28. | :08:32. | |
interference with his belongings. They also cannot defend claims that | :08:32. | :08:37. | |
the search warrants were maliciously procured, or that | :08:37. | :08:43. | |
officers' behaviour amounted to misfeasance and there was an abuse | :08:43. | :08:48. | |
of power. The sum offered and accepted for exemplary damages was | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
at the absolute maximum, there is no higher award a court could make | :08:51. | :08:54. | |
for those damages. That is the clearest recognition on the Chief | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
Constable's part that the conduct of her officers was utterly | :08:58. | :09:07. | |
indefensible. The IPCC recommended that Cleveland Police consider | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
suspending Chief Inspector Riordan, instead he was retired on a full | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
pension. The man responsible for that decision was Assistant Chief | :09:14. | :09:17. | |
Constable Sean White he was on the police sailing team with Riordan. | :09:18. | :09:22. | |
The IPCC has said that the decision not to suspend him sent out | :09:22. | :09:27. | |
completely the wrong message. It was a time to be seen to be doing | :09:27. | :09:32. | |
the right thing. What certainly sticks in my throat is that | :09:32. | :09:38. | |
millions of pounds have been wasted of tax-payers' money at a time of | :09:38. | :09:43. | |
supposed austerity when public services are closing down hand over | :09:43. | :09:49. | |
fist in Middlesborough. Millions of pounds wasted and not one police | :09:49. | :09:57. | |
officer held to account. The Chief Constable of Cleveland Police, has | :09:57. | :10:07. | |
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For the last few years Cleveland Police has been at the centre of a | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
separate wide-ranging corruption inquiry. The Chief Constable and | :10:23. | :10:27. | |
Deputy Chief Constable have been sacked for gross misconduct. The | :10:27. | :10:32. | |
head of finance suspended. James Watson hopes that his case will | :10:32. | :10:37. | |
lead to a change of culture at Cleveland Police which now has a | :10:37. | :10:42. | |
new Chief Constable. But he's not confident that his reputation will | :10:42. | :10:46. | |
ever recover. The best I can hope for is to be regarded as having a | :10:46. | :10:51. | |
checkered and controversial reputation. You can't come through | :10:51. | :10:57. | |
a scandal like this and expect absolutely everyone to believe that | :10:57. | :11:02. | |
you have been vindicated. Some will say no smoke without fire, some | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
will say this is a testament to how good my lawyers were rather than | :11:06. | :11:10. | |
how honest I was. But the value of the payout is important, it | :11:10. | :11:15. | |
reflects the fact that something must be done to reform Cleveland | :11:15. | :11:20. | |
Police. It cannot be allowed to stagger on for another 20 years in | :11:20. | :11:26. | |
the way that it has for the last 20 years. | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
Is German austerity cast ago shadow across the whole of the west? That | :11:29. | :11:35. | |
seems to be the fear the US Treasury who today met German and | :11:35. | :11:39. | |
other finance ministers for a G7 meeting in Buckinghamshire. Ahead | :11:39. | :11:42. | |
of the meeting US officials briefed journalist that is they would call | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
on Berlin to relax stringent austerity policies and boost | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
domestic demand because of the dangers they pose, not just to | :11:49. | :11:53. | |
Europe, but growth across the world. We will discuss this in a moment, | :11:53. | :11:57. | |
but first here is Paul Mason. They are meeting amid the English | :11:57. | :12:01. | |
greenery, but the backdrop to the G7 meeting is the sea of red and | :12:01. | :12:06. | |
black across the streets of Europe. The eurozone economy is flatlining, | :12:06. | :12:10. | |
and there is a chorus of demands on Germany to stop insisting on | :12:10. | :12:17. | |
austerity and ease up a little. driver for economic growth will be | :12:17. | :12:21. | |
consumer demand. Policies that would help to encourage consumer | :12:21. | :12:27. | |
demand in countries that have the capacity would be helpful. Roughly | :12:27. | :12:31. | |
translated that was the Americans telling the Germans to start | :12:31. | :12:35. | |
boosting their economy and borrowing more to make up for the | :12:35. | :12:39. | |
social catastrophe that is sweeping southern Europe. The Americans come | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
armed not just with arguments but facts. In the two years after the | :12:43. | :12:50. | |
crisis hit the USA launched a fiscal stimulus worth 5% of GDP. | :12:50. | :12:54. | |
The eurozone equivalent was 2%, after that came austerity. In the | :12:54. | :12:58. | |
USA the Central Bank has President Clintoned more than $2 trillion in | :12:58. | :13:02. | |
the form of quanative easing. The European Central Bank has not done | :13:02. | :13:06. | |
money printing. It seems to be working, growth has recovered in | :13:06. | :13:09. | |
the USA, while in the eurozone not so much. I think there is a real | :13:09. | :13:18. | |
view here in the US that there has been a bit of a sea change in the | :13:18. | :13:22. | |
ideolgical arguments and the political debate around the world | :13:22. | :13:27. | |
about austerity in a recession. I think the Americans feel that | :13:27. | :13:30. | |
actual economic performance has vindicated the US approach. They | :13:31. | :13:34. | |
did have a stimulus programme at the beginning and they feel that | :13:34. | :13:39. | |
the fact that the US economy is growing more strongly than European | :13:39. | :13:42. | |
economies really is a vindication of that approach. All through | :13:42. | :13:46. | |
spring event have come thick and fast to undermine the strategy of | :13:46. | :13:49. | |
austerity. The collapse of technocratic rule in Italy, with | :13:49. | :13:56. | |
25% for a party led by a comedian. Spain badly missed its borrowing | :13:56. | :14:00. | |
target and Europe simply shrugged. Meanwhile the French President had | :14:00. | :14:05. | |
begun a counter strike against what, despite the smiles, his officials | :14:05. | :14:09. | |
had called a right-wing kabal, led by Germany. One of the most | :14:09. | :14:11. | |
startling impacts of austerity in Europe has been youth unemployment, | :14:11. | :14:19. | |
in Greece it stands at 64%. In Spain at 57%. In Portugal and Italy | :14:19. | :14:25. | |
38%. Even France, which is opposed to austerity is seeing 22% of its | :14:25. | :14:30. | |
young people jobless. Meanwhile, in the USA it is just 16%, and the | :14:30. | :14:36. | |
White House sees figures like this as a problem of geopolitics, not | :14:36. | :14:39. | |
just economics. It is important to understand this is an | :14:39. | :14:43. | |
administration which, starting with the President, is really focused on | :14:43. | :14:48. | |
the middle-class and the lower middle-class and opportunity. And I | :14:48. | :14:52. | |
think they are very concerned about what they are seeing in Europe and | :14:52. | :14:56. | |
they are very worried about a lost generation and what the political | :14:56. | :15:00. | |
impact of that might be. Particularly in the European | :15:00. | :15:03. | |
countries where austerity is really squeezing a lot of people very, | :15:03. | :15:08. | |
very hard. The truth is, this is no longer about economics it is about | :15:08. | :15:12. | |
politics. All across Europe we have seen big votes against the | :15:12. | :15:15. | |
political mainstream, whether it is for fascists and far leftists, as | :15:15. | :15:20. | |
in Greece, or as in Italy, for parties simply defined by their | :15:20. | :15:26. | |
opposition to the old elite. That is what America is worried about. | :15:26. | :15:29. | |
As for Germany, commentators who know it well believe public opinion | :15:29. | :15:34. | |
there will take a lot of shifting. They don't translate what the facts | :15:34. | :15:40. | |
and figures tell you about what happens around you into their own | :15:40. | :15:44. | |
live expeerence. Which is still pretty comfortable, thank you very | :15:44. | :15:51. | |
much. So the point has yet to come where the austerity around Germany | :15:52. | :15:56. | |
and the adjacent countries will begin to affect its own | :15:56. | :16:02. | |
manufacturing prowess, which is the pillar of Germany's wealth and | :16:02. | :16:10. | |
success. When that moment comes I think they will wake up and think | :16:10. | :16:16. | |
of different ways. While he's schmoozeing with the G7 George | :16:16. | :16:22. | |
Osborne is all too well aware that the IMF economists will deliver | :16:22. | :16:28. | |
their own decision which is enough austerity, aimed at him. | :16:28. | :16:36. | |
Our guests are here, Artur Fischer, and in Athens former Greek MP and | :16:36. | :16:39. | |
world economist, Elena Panaritis, and assistant editor of the | :16:39. | :16:42. | |
Financial Times, Gillian Tett in the studio. Gillian Tett, you are | :16:42. | :16:46. | |
just back from Washington, is your sense that the Americans are | :16:46. | :16:50. | |
worried more about the politics than the economics? There is a bit | :16:50. | :16:54. | |
of both, the Americans are very worried about the fact that the US | :16:54. | :16:57. | |
economy is not expanding as fast as they thought it should be. They | :16:57. | :17:01. | |
think it is partly because of the slow global growth and the problems | :17:01. | :17:04. | |
in the eurozone. They are also concerned about the general | :17:04. | :17:08. | |
prospect of a lost generation in Europe and the possibility of | :17:08. | :17:12. | |
political turmoil. But last of all there is also a feeling that | :17:12. | :17:17. | |
actually America has learned some lessons of the last five years that, | :17:17. | :17:21. | |
frankly, could be copied in Europe. Whether it is about trying to take | :17:21. | :17:24. | |
more active measures to recapitalise banks or get the | :17:24. | :17:27. | |
economy going the Americans do think they have something to tell | :17:27. | :17:31. | |
the Europeans about what they could do instead of the current mess. | :17:31. | :17:36. | |
it helpful to you that the Americans are singing this song? | :17:36. | :17:41. | |
Does it actually make a difference? Will it give European countries | :17:41. | :17:50. | |
confidence to ease off austerity? Frankly, I think we have completely | :17:51. | :17:58. | |
misdiagnosed this European crisis. We have based all our growth on a | :17:58. | :18:04. | |
solution which was completely based on austerity. But European | :18:04. | :18:13. | |
economies are very bureaucratic, very high transaction costs, and | :18:13. | :18:17. | |
they need serious deregulation, starting with my economy, Greece. | :18:18. | :18:20. | |
Unfortunately we haven't really focused too much on that because | :18:20. | :18:25. | |
there are a lot of vested interests around those bureaucratic steps and | :18:25. | :18:32. | |
if we don't ease those ones up we will not have growth, we will not | :18:32. | :18:38. | |
have employment, especially in the youth. We will not have any exit | :18:38. | :18:43. | |
from these lost generation. When you look at the figures for youth | :18:43. | :18:50. | |
unemployment, Greece 64%, Spain 56%, Portugal 40%. Is this a | :18:50. | :18:53. | |
generational problem if these young people don't get the skills or | :18:53. | :18:59. | |
motivation or feel part of the fabric of society? You are | :18:59. | :19:09. | |
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absolutely right. But I'm afraid that we have, as I said, completely | :19:10. | :19:14. | |
misdyingios -- misdiagnosed it. We were barking up the wrong tree. We | :19:14. | :19:17. | |
completely focused on the overexpenditure of those countries, | :19:17. | :19:21. | |
that is correct. We didn't look further into the actual roots which | :19:21. | :19:26. | |
were the fact that we are overspending because it is very | :19:26. | :19:33. | |
hard for youngsters to actually innovate, to create new ideas, to | :19:33. | :19:36. | |
define new technologies or to create a new sector of economy as | :19:36. | :19:40. | |
we do in the United States of America. Let me put that to Artur | :19:40. | :19:45. | |
Fischer, is there another way, perhaps austerity isn't the | :19:45. | :19:51. | |
medicine that Europe needs? Well obviously there is a combination of | :19:51. | :19:56. | |
things. I'm speaking to you Artur Fischer indeed in Miami? Is | :19:56. | :20:02. | |
austerity the only way? Obviously there are a number of things one | :20:02. | :20:04. | |
can do. Austerity is a major building block. If you take a look | :20:05. | :20:09. | |
at it you need to sort out your own house. You need to be able to | :20:09. | :20:13. | |
actually manage your costs in a responsible way, at the same time | :20:13. | :20:17. | |
those measures indeed cause huge problems. I believe Europe has | :20:17. | :20:21. | |
something to offer here. If we have mobility, if we have structural | :20:21. | :20:27. | |
reforms then we can actually generate growth by allowing in the | :20:27. | :20:33. | |
EU unemployment people in Greece to work elsewhere and by implementing | :20:33. | :20:36. | |
structural reforms we can incentivise investors to provide | :20:36. | :20:41. | |
jobs in Greece, in Spain and elsewhere. We have to look at this | :20:41. | :20:45. | |
whole process whereby we started this austerity and we will now, I | :20:45. | :20:51. | |
believe, enter into structural reforms, enter into increase of | :20:51. | :20:57. | |
demand and by doing that hopefully we will go through this problem. | :20:57. | :21:05. | |
Fischer, 64% youth unemployment, where will they get jobs? That is a | :21:05. | :21:10. | |
very good question. All I can say is the jobs most likely will not be | :21:10. | :21:14. | |
available in Greece. Will they come to Germany? They will come to | :21:14. | :21:19. | |
Germany, they will come to England. They will come to everywhere in | :21:19. | :21:23. | |
Europe where jobs are available. They probably will have to reduce | :21:23. | :21:27. | |
the standards of living. They will probably have to work in jobs they | :21:27. | :21:35. | |
haven't learned in the past. It will be a quite a change. Basically | :21:35. | :21:42. | |
young Greeks have to leave the country? Well, frankly, we have to | :21:42. | :21:47. | |
really think about the economics 101. We are talking about white | :21:47. | :21:53. | |
collar workers here, well educated individuals with over 2-3 foreign | :21:53. | :21:58. | |
languages and usually one or two masters degrees. They do not move | :21:58. | :22:04. | |
out of Greece to go to continental Europe, because continental Europe | :22:04. | :22:09. | |
is suffocating. It is full of bureaucratic and administrative | :22:09. | :22:13. | |
burdens. So the majority of Greeks are flying out of the country and | :22:13. | :22:18. | |
they go to the United Kingdom and the United States, Canada, a lot of | :22:18. | :22:23. | |
them are going to Latin America, believe it or not. Many of them to | :22:23. | :22:30. | |
the gulf countries. So let me put that to Gillian. Actually the | :22:30. | :22:33. | |
Americas are the best hope for a lot of these people. They see | :22:33. | :22:38. | |
America doing better in this recovery?. It is rather ironic that | :22:38. | :22:44. | |
Mr Fischer is in Miami. If the eurozone was a functioning reformed, | :22:44. | :22:47. | |
liberal economic area, the Americans would be having holidays | :22:47. | :22:51. | |
in Greece spending their money there. That would help Greece? | :22:51. | :22:54. | |
German tourist trips to Greece over the last year have fallen 5-10%. | :22:54. | :22:58. | |
That is a real problem, you need to find ways to replicate what America | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
has had and turn Greece into Florida, if you like for the | :23:02. | :23:05. | |
eurozone where wealthy middle-class people from the north go down in | :23:05. | :23:10. | |
the summer. There is also going to be, perhaps, a different atmosphere, | :23:10. | :23:13. | |
post-German election or not do you think? It is very unclear. One | :23:13. | :23:17. | |
hopes that the new Government will have the competence to be a bit | :23:17. | :23:23. | |
bolder and perhaps try to take some Morriss. Do you think post-election | :23:23. | :23:27. | |
there may be a change, even if Angela Merkel returns to power, | :23:27. | :23:33. | |
actually there may be a loosening of the austerity? I think there | :23:33. | :23:40. | |
will be a shift. We can already see that coming. Take a look, in | :23:40. | :23:45. | |
Germany we had salary increases of 5%. About two years ago that was | :23:45. | :23:51. | |
unthinkable that would happen. So Lagard, he's demand that we have | :23:51. | :23:54. | |
higher spending in Germany already takes place. When you take a look | :23:54. | :23:58. | |
at the Social Democrats who currently propose quite drastic tax | :23:58. | :24:02. | |
increases, I believe that the Conservatives, if they stay in | :24:02. | :24:08. | |
power, they will obviously try to ease austerity programmes in a way | :24:08. | :24:15. | |
that the results don't suffocate German output and demand on German | :24:15. | :24:19. | |
goods outside Germany. Thank you all very much indeed. | :24:19. | :24:23. | |
Well on Wednesday the The Great Gatsby opens the Cannes Film | :24:23. | :24:28. | |
Festival, directed by Baz Luhurmann, soundtrack curated by Jay-Z, | :24:28. | :24:35. | |
starring Marco Capuano and Carey Mulligan, if the trailers are -- | :24:35. | :24:39. | |
Leonardo depap Rio and Carey Mulligan. It is expected take | :24:39. | :24:44. | |
millions in the states this weekend, but reviews will be lukewarm. It is | :24:44. | :24:50. | |
the theatrical book about the novel and a novel about Zelda, why all | :24:50. | :24:56. | |
the razzmatazz? I have all these things for her and now she just | :24:56. | :25:03. | |
wants to run away. She wants to leave that. Jay, you can't repeat | :25:03. | :25:08. | |
the past. You can't repeat the past? No. Of course you can. Of | :25:08. | :25:15. | |
course you can. With me now is the author Philip Hensher and Sarah | :25:15. | :25:23. | |
Churchwell, author of Careless People Murder Mayhem and the | :25:23. | :25:27. | |
Invention of the The Great Gatsby. People say this is a wonderful book, | :25:27. | :25:32. | |
what do you think? It is not that good a book looked at coldly. But | :25:32. | :25:36. | |
it becomes more and more relevent, fascinatingly relevant as time goes | :25:37. | :25:41. | |
on. Ten or 15 years ago we would have said maybe the time has passed | :25:41. | :25:46. | |
for this. Who wants to become an English gentleman like Gatsby. But | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
now with Russian oligarchs sending their children to terrible English | :25:50. | :25:53. | |
public schools, it is becoming more and more relevent. Also from the | :25:53. | :25:59. | |
point of view of a recession. I think it becomes a much more | :25:59. | :26:05. | |
important and speaking book to us. Sarah, is it a good book? | :26:05. | :26:08. | |
Absolutely I think it is a masterpiece. It is exactly that, it | :26:08. | :26:11. | |
is a book that keeps coming back. It is a book that never dies. It as | :26:11. | :26:16. | |
book in 1925 readers didn't get. As Philip says 15 years ago we didn't | :26:16. | :26:20. | |
get it but now we get it again. What that registers is not if it is | :26:20. | :26:23. | |
a good or bad book, but how prophetic it is, it says something | :26:23. | :26:26. | |
good and last beg the society we have created about capitalism, | :26:26. | :26:31. | |
about materialism, about greed. But also about hope and aspiration, our | :26:31. | :26:34. | |
need to search for something better. But the fact that keeps letting us | :26:34. | :26:38. | |
down and disappointment and disillusion as well. The film is | :26:38. | :26:44. | |
all razzle dazzle we hear? It is, it is all razzle dazzle. For me it | :26:44. | :26:49. | |
is a book about emptiness which has an emptiness at its heart. It is | :26:49. | :26:53. | |
not quite aware of its own emptiness. I think that is | :26:53. | :26:57. | |
condescending. It is totally aware that have, agree that is what it is | :26:57. | :27:03. | |
about. The thing it doesn't quite seem to be aware of is how | :27:03. | :27:10. | |
insufferable the narrator is. The way he's so patient troising to | :27:10. | :27:17. | |
everybody. He is the flaw. depends as if you see him as | :27:17. | :27:21. | |
Fitzgerald's error or the character's error. Is it that we | :27:21. | :27:27. | |
can't trust his opinions that he's a prigg or patronising or | :27:27. | :27:31. | |
Fitzgerald's mistake. That is for people like me makes it interesting, | :27:31. | :27:34. | |
there are lots of questions. There is lots of stuff going around. You | :27:35. | :27:38. | |
were saying in recessionary times you have written your own academic | :27:38. | :27:44. | |
book about it? It is not that academic. There is this enduring | :27:44. | :27:48. | |
interest in Fitzgerald and The Great Gatsby. Why? I agree with | :27:48. | :27:54. | |
Philip but I go further. It hits our ambivalence about this question | :27:54. | :27:58. | |
about class, status and luxury and hedonism, we want to chase the | :27:58. | :28:02. | |
pleasure, what Zelda Fitzgerald calls the Green Light, the symbol | :28:02. | :28:06. | |
for everything we want. Let yet we know, we have learned the hard way, | :28:06. | :28:12. | |
as the last segment showed the hollowness and how toxic it is at | :28:12. | :28:17. | |
its heart. We repeat the same mistakes? That is what the novel is | :28:17. | :28:27. | |
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about, the famous last line, "and so we are born ceaselessly again ". | :28:30. | :28:39. | |
The last one was 1974 with Mia Farrw and the OPEC oil crisis, the | :28:39. | :28:46. | |
previous version with Shelley Winters, that is suddenly a movie | :28:46. | :28:50. | |
about American imperialism. If you look at what was talked about | :28:50. | :28:55. | |
Gatsby, and his assertion he has been to Oxford, and they said you | :28:55. | :28:58. | |
couldn't have been to Oxford because you are wearing a pink | :28:58. | :29:04. | |
shirt. There are tropes, you talk about the Russian oligarchs giving | :29:04. | :29:08. | |
their children an English education, big articles in the papers this | :29:08. | :29:14. | |
week. Can people by dint of their wealth slip into society more | :29:14. | :29:19. | |
easily than Gatsby could? Well, I don't know. I have never really | :29:19. | :29:26. | |
witnessed that level of society. I suspect the thing that is slightly | :29:26. | :29:31. | |
problematic in Gatsby the novel is people think that actually you know | :29:31. | :29:35. | |
an English Duke at Oxford would be able to tell much difference | :29:35. | :29:42. | |
between Nick Carroway and the Buchanans and The Great Gatsby, I | :29:42. | :29:45. | |
don't think they could. What about America? You can sneer at the class | :29:45. | :29:52. | |
system, but within the class system of America it matters a lot, and | :29:52. | :29:56. | |
Buchanan represents that money class, and he wears a pink suit and | :29:56. | :30:01. | |
he Downing Street he went to Oxford. What is interesting to me, | :30:01. | :30:05. | |
Fitzgerald's prophetic insight that what he saw was this world coming | :30:05. | :30:12. | |
that being rich and classy there would cease to be a distinction, | :30:12. | :30:14. | |
Gatsby's problem doesn't understand that, he thinks getting rich is | :30:14. | :30:19. | |
enough, but it is not enough to get him Daysy. In today's world it | :30:19. | :30:25. | |
probably would be enough, what do I know, I don't travel in those | :30:25. | :30:29. | |
circles. My sense is the distinction is more and more | :30:29. | :30:32. | |
disappearing. Who wants to be a gentleman or Daisy, she's a strange | :30:32. | :30:36. | |
empty kind of name in the novel. We don't know what Daisy is like. She | :30:36. | :30:40. | |
is just followed around. Because it is a novel about desie, the whole | :30:40. | :30:43. | |
point is Gatsby's romance with possibility, aspiration, wanting | :30:43. | :30:47. | |
something t might be Dicey, a mansion, wealth, what do we want? | :30:47. | :30:51. | |
You have talked us right out to the front pages. That is all for this | :30:51. | :30:57. | |
week. We leave you with pictures of Dhaka and Bangladesh, 17 days ago | :30:57. | :31:01. | |
an eight storey clothing factory collapsed claiming more than 1,000 | :31:01. | :31:05. | |
lives, today a young woman was found alive in the rubble, it is | :31:05. | :31:15. | |
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Hello, last weekend's weather was about increasing warmth this | :31:47. | :31:51. | |
Saturday not. A spell of rain moving out of Northern Ireland into | :31:51. | :31:53. | |
Scotland and the Midland. It turns showery for the afternoon. Sunshine | :31:53. | :31:57. | |
and showers just about to cross the board, mental to go give a longer | :31:57. | :32:03. | |
spell of rain for the south west of Scotland. The wind are lighter in | :32:03. | :32:05. | |
northern Scotland compared with elsewhere and elsewhere the showers | :32:05. | :32:11. | |
will move along quickly on the brisk and rather cool westerly wind. | :32:11. | :32:14. | |
You may catch a heavy and possibly thundery downpour into the | :32:14. | :32:18. | |
afternoon. It shouldn't last too long and the sun should make an | :32:18. | :32:21. | |
appearence before the next shower comes along. You will notice the | :32:21. | :32:26. | |
temperatures mid-to low teens, some getting to 15, most not. It will | :32:26. | :32:30. | |
feel cooler in the breeze. Whenever it is raining also. It is a similar | :32:30. | :32:32. | |
picture, sunshine and showers into Wales. Heading through Saturday | :32:32. | :32:36. | |
evening could see a spell of wet and windy weather for a time in | :32:36. | :32:40. | |
North West England, then moving to Midland and the south-east later in | :32:40. | :32:44. | |
the night. Heading further afield this weekend, the northern half of | :32:44. | :32:48. | |
Europe is looking rather showery too. So if you want the best of the | :32:48. | :32:52. | |
sunshine head south, although it may well see some occasional rain | :32:53. | :32:55. |