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inception, BBC Three is going off air. Will it be missed from our | :00:07. | :00:10. | |
televisions? And what happens to home-grown comedy now? They're | :00:11. | :00:18. | |
mouthing worse things than that in some places. We speak to presenters | :00:19. | :00:21. | |
and writers, critics and defenders of the channel. | :00:22. | :00:24. | |
Newsnight learns exclusive details of Theresa May's letter to her | :00:25. | :00:27. | |
cabinet colleagues. She asked for stop and search reforms back in | :00:28. | :00:34. | |
December. What's taking so long? The Met says stop and search is | :00:35. | :00:37. | |
changing, and wants the rest of the country to catch up. But there's | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
still mistrust on the streets. We're out on the beat. | :00:42. | :00:44. | |
And trying to connect the world by drone? The next step of global | :00:45. | :00:46. | |
domination for the internet giants. Good evening. Either your office has | :00:47. | :01:00. | |
been reverberating tonight with quotes from Gavin and Stacey, Don't | :01:01. | :01:03. | |
Tell The Bride, The Mighty Boosh and The Call Centre, or else you don't | :01:04. | :01:07. | |
have a clue what I'm on about - which could hold the key to the | :01:08. | :01:11. | |
problem. The BBC has decided to axe the digital tv channel BBC Three and | :01:12. | :01:14. | |
put it solely on iPlayer. The channel, which has promoted | :01:15. | :01:17. | |
home-grown comedy and attracted a much younger average audience, may | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
be the first victim of a push by the Director-General for the corporation | :01:22. | :01:24. | |
to focus on what it does best. Comedians who've made their names on | :01:25. | :01:27. | |
BBC Three have launched a campaign to try and save it. Tonight we ask | :01:28. | :01:31. | |
whether the move is inevitable, and how much money it would really save. | :01:32. | :01:43. | |
Here's Steve Hewlett. No but, yeah, this what happened... Can we go to | :01:44. | :01:58. | |
euro Disney. What's this? Your dad. What's occurring. What's occurring | :01:59. | :02:02. | |
indeed. Having spent ten years getting its started and fighting off | :02:03. | :02:07. | |
legion call, not least from its own former senior executives for it to | :02:08. | :02:12. | |
be closed, the BBC is about to announce that BBC Three, hope of | :02:13. | :02:16. | |
Little Britain, Gavin and Stacey and the rest is for the chap. It will | :02:17. | :02:21. | |
seize to be a broadcast TV channel but will live on, online. | :02:22. | :02:28. | |
For the BBC this is a big statement. Director-General Tony Hall said it | :02:29. | :02:31. | |
was time for tough choices, and here is the first of them. The message to | :02:32. | :02:36. | |
the Government is clear. One senior executive told me it was meant as a | :02:37. | :02:42. | |
wake upical call. Keep cutting the licence fee in real terms and | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
license payers, your voters really won't like it, and this is just the | :02:48. | :02:50. | |
start. We have had news here at the | :02:51. | :02:55. | |
station. Remember the public reaction to BBC 6 Music, a station | :02:56. | :03:00. | |
never more popular than when the BBC threatened to shut it. Plans | :03:01. | :03:04. | |
ultimately abandoned in the face of a licence payer revolt. In a | :03:05. | :03:08. | |
nutshell, and the BBC knows this, there is little public appetite for | :03:09. | :03:15. | |
cuts to be BBC services. So, why BBC Three? Why not BBC Four? | :03:16. | :03:22. | |
If you are to choose between three and four, you clearly choose BBC | :03:23. | :03:25. | |
Three because that is where the audience is going, it is moving | :03:26. | :03:31. | |
online and iPlayer. When BBC Three has done advance screenings of | :03:32. | :03:35. | |
programmes through the iPlayer they have good audiences on the back of | :03:36. | :03:42. | |
it. So BBC Three did attract the younger audiences that auntie | :03:43. | :03:47. | |
craved, albeit with the help of Eastenders repeat and maybe it is | :03:48. | :03:51. | |
well placed to take them with it on line. But how will it be remembered | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
by the crickets and those of us not in the tar debt demographic. Me and | :03:57. | :04:05. | |
my big breasts, I am ginning jer, snog, marry and avoid which ran for | :04:06. | :04:10. | |
five year, these are the programmes that gave the channel the bad name | :04:11. | :04:16. | |
and made it a convenient whipping boy today. As any channel controller | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
knows you have to sandwich the public service stuff, even on the | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
BBC, between programmes that are going to attract mainly because of | :04:25. | :04:27. | |
stupid titles. But back to the sharp end. The BBC | :04:28. | :04:33. | |
still needs to find another ?450 million of cuts, or savings, | :04:34. | :04:41. | |
annually by 2017. So how much money might the BBC save by moving BBC | :04:42. | :04:47. | |
Three online only? Well, there is the rub. Stacy... My God. The big | :04:48. | :04:56. | |
money, some ?90 million, is in BBC Three's content budget. | :04:57. | :04:59. | |
But if you cut much of that, which is after all spent on things that | :05:00. | :05:05. | |
lie since payers appreciate, like programme, while at the same time | :05:06. | :05:10. | |
admitting, that the BBC is spending shed loads on corporate | :05:11. | :05:13. | |
inefficiency, too many manager, too many people, and all of that, which | :05:14. | :05:19. | |
license payers definitely do not appreciate, you can quite easily end | :05:20. | :05:24. | |
up in a bad place. Do you know your flies are open? | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
Even people who were never especially keen on BBC Three... Let | :05:30. | :05:35. | |
me give you a list of distinctive programmes. Help me, I am infested | :05:36. | :05:41. | |
Not to mention Government and politicians for whom the original | :05:42. | :05:46. | |
message was meant might start to wonder what indeed is occurring. | :05:47. | :05:53. | |
Steve Hewlett there, we me Ash Attala, producer of The Office, | :05:54. | :05:59. | |
probably best known for that. Tessa Jowell the cormer Culture Secretary | :06:00. | :06:05. | |
and David Elstein who launched who launched Channel 5ful we saw some of | :06:06. | :06:10. | |
the programmes there and the titles, are the grabbiest bit of what BBC | :06:11. | :06:13. | |
Three did. Give us a sense of what made it so vital? I think today the | :06:14. | :06:20. | |
BBC, who I am a friend of have had a bad day at the office, today they | :06:21. | :06:25. | |
have cut their link to the future, so BBC Three is the main plank at | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
which the BBC connect with their on television with the youth audiences | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
and today, it feels like a 60-year-old man in a golf jumper who | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
has walked into a good night club and turned the music off so he can | :06:39. | :06:45. | |
hear classical music. I am embarrassed. Surprised. It has been | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
fast. They would say he hasn't turned the music off, he has put it | :06:50. | :06:56. | |
on iPlayer. Will the next generation go to iPlayer? . It sends out a | :06:57. | :07:01. | |
message that the youth message should be shoved on line. We are all | :07:02. | :07:05. | |
online, the statistic, they don't even bear it out, a BBC Three | :07:06. | :07:10. | |
audiences watches linear television. It is a slightly middle-aged older | :07:11. | :07:15. | |
man's perception that kids are similarly on line. They like to | :07:16. | :07:19. | |
watch TV in in the way we do. You had doubts about it from the start, | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
but this seems to sort of throw it into a rather stark light, that you | :07:25. | :07:29. | |
know, we have given up on it. Well, I think you know, I take very | :07:30. | :07:35. | |
seriously what Ash has said, and when I was Secretary of State, and I | :07:36. | :07:43. | |
was asked to approve two new channels in 2002, BBC Four, which | :07:44. | :07:48. | |
has been very successful, BBC Three, I turned back the first submission | :07:49. | :07:54. | |
for BBC Three, because I thought it was insubstantial, implausible and | :07:55. | :07:57. | |
wouldn't add anything to the BBC. However, the then Director General, | :07:58. | :08:02. | |
and chairman of the Governors were passionate for all the reasons that | :08:03. | :08:07. | |
Ash is giving about the importance of there being a BBC channel, that | :08:08. | :08:14. | |
appealed to 16-34-year-olds. It is a wide demographic. And it got there? | :08:15. | :08:20. | |
They took it away, they reworked it, it came back it was a better | :08:21. | :08:24. | |
proposal, and on that basis, I approved it. And I think the | :08:25. | :08:30. | |
important question is the one which Ash has put, which is does this mean | :08:31. | :08:37. | |
that the BBC is giving up on mainstream connection, with | :08:38. | :08:42. | |
16-34-year-olds. David, I imagine that image of the middle aged man in | :08:43. | :08:47. | |
the golf jumper will have BBC executives reaching for the sink at | :08:48. | :08:53. | |
this point. The irony is stronger, because all the savings that might | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
be made out of BBC Three will have to be applied to filling the hole in | :08:58. | :09:02. | |
the BBC pension fund so it is BBC pensioners who will benefit from | :09:03. | :09:05. | |
these cuts more than anybody else. But look, the truth of the matter is | :09:06. | :09:13. | |
this, the BBC is in financial fix. The coalition cut 16% of its | :09:14. | :09:19. | |
spending power in October 2010, and the pigeons are coming home to | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
roost. Something has to go. They tried slicing, everything gets worse | :09:25. | :09:30. | |
and Tony Hall announced last week I am going to make a big cut, we | :09:31. | :09:36. | |
assumed it was morning BBC Two and four, it is... Why do you think it | :09:37. | :09:42. | |
wasn't two and four? The simple reason is economics. It is just that | :09:43. | :09:48. | |
of the BBC channels, this is the least effective in converting cash | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
into viewer ship. It is basic as that. You have said it is | :09:53. | :09:57. | |
patronising to think a whole youth audience will go to iPlayer, do you | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
think this is a temporary grave then before it gets axed completely or do | :10:02. | :10:06. | |
you think iPlayer could come into its own? Look, iPlayer is brilliant | :10:07. | :10:13. | |
but it is inexplicable they have chosen to act BBC Three as oppose to | :10:14. | :10:19. | |
Four. A service like the BBC has to look, they need to serve everyone. I | :10:20. | :10:27. | |
know they need to make cuts. A BBC Four audience can migrate to BBC | :10:28. | :10:32. | |
Two. A BBC One audience serves the whole family. A BBC Three have | :10:33. | :10:36. | |
nowhere else to go on BBC television, they have been today | :10:37. | :10:40. | |
marriage prized and something that is worse, BBC has got whiter, older, | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
and more middle class, because it is the BBC Three audience that is the | :10:46. | :10:48. | |
most diverse of all the BBC channels. I guess the problem always | :10:49. | :10:55. | |
was that it felt like it was on commercial territory, there were all | :10:56. | :11:00. | |
the Fours that could do that. The MTVs. Exactly, this is I suppose one | :11:01. | :11:07. | |
of the ways in which the decision is made easier, but we knew that, I | :11:08. | :11:13. | |
knew that when I gave approval to the channel. It was a crowded market | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
place, there are other channels, but the important thing about this, was | :11:19. | :11:24. | |
that this is the BBC serving this population of young people. I am | :11:25. | :11:27. | |
trying to get a sense from you, when you signed it off and you were clear | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
you didn't like the first proposal, did you sign it off thinking "This | :11:33. | :11:42. | |
is doomed"? No, I didn't, because I was persuaded by the by Greg Dyke | :11:43. | :11:49. | |
and it is a compelling case, that the BBC are a great institution, | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
national institution, has got to keep on kind of replacing, you know, | :11:55. | :12:00. | |
the people, the license fee payers who die, and extend its reach to | :12:01. | :12:06. | |
much younger people. I do accuse -- actually, and this is a slightly | :12:07. | :12:11. | |
off-piste point on this, I think the BBC has sometimes got to say to the | :12:12. | :12:16. | |
Government, this is the license fee payer's money, it is not part of | :12:17. | :12:20. | |
your spending round, it comes from a different source. They pay ?145... | :12:21. | :12:24. | |
What should they have done with things now? Are you saying there | :12:25. | :12:29. | |
shouldn't have been a decision taken today is? You say it is a compelling | :12:30. | :12:36. | |
argument -- argument. I think wait and see, whether the audiences do | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
migrate, these young people do migrate, to iPlayer. It is too late, | :12:42. | :12:51. | |
if they don't. I am not saying defend BBC Three at all costs, what | :12:52. | :12:57. | |
I am saying is that you have to find another way, if the BBC wants to | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
continue to appeal to younger people, of doing that, or give up on | :13:02. | :13:06. | |
that cause all together and that would be a Piti. What a strange | :13:07. | :13:09. | |
thing to give up on young people, what a strange thing to marginalise | :13:10. | :13:14. | |
young people, of all the channel, what a weird message to say to the | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
license fee payers of tomorrow there is no television channel aimed at | :13:20. | :13:26. | |
you. There is plenty aimed at them. E 4 is much more efficient and it is | :13:27. | :13:32. | |
publicly owned. We we are going to spend public money on reaching 16-34 | :13:33. | :13:36. | |
we would be better off spending it there. Can you save this money by | :13:37. | :13:41. | |
putting it on iPlayer? Of course not. Putting any of the 8 85 million | :13:42. | :13:52. | |
budget is going to be more ineeffective than the current | :13:53. | :13:57. | |
situation. The correct answer is, inject more of this investment in | :13:58. | :14:01. | |
programmes that appeal to young people in BBC One. It's a general | :14:02. | :14:06. | |
list channel. Long before BBC Three and four were thought of the BBC was | :14:07. | :14:10. | |
brilliant at delivering comedies that appealed to all ages. Do you | :14:11. | :14:17. | |
think it will go? What is important is candour about responsibility for | :14:18. | :14:21. | |
that group of license fee payer, and I mean, as far as I am concerned, I | :14:22. | :14:27. | |
don't feel wedded to the continued existence of BBC Three, I do feel | :14:28. | :14:32. | |
wedded to the BBC believing it has a responsibility for those younger | :14:33. | :14:37. | |
people, and not simply saying welling, we will close down BBC | :14:38. | :14:40. | |
Three and whether or not you know, young people go to iPlayer is not a | :14:41. | :14:50. | |
matter of concern to us. You have to have another plan. The BBC trust | :14:51. | :14:56. | |
will adjudicate on this. But I do not see that they can veto it unless | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
they have a better way of saving the money. That is their problem, | :15:02. | :15:07. | |
shortage of cash. Downing Street has denied | :15:08. | :15:09. | |
suppressing a report suggesting that immigration has had less of an | :15:10. | :15:12. | |
effect on British jobs than first thought. Number ten say it isn't | :15:13. | :15:16. | |
finished yet, but hinted it would be published imminently. Labour and the | :15:17. | :15:19. | |
Liberal Democrats are calling for it to be released now and senior | :15:20. | :15:22. | |
members of the Government have given their reaction. Let's hear what the | :15:23. | :15:25. | |
Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg said today. On the immigration | :15:26. | :15:32. | |
report, this is not a report that has percolated its way up to my | :15:33. | :15:38. | |
desk. The Prime Minister and I haven't even read it yet. It hasn't | :15:39. | :15:42. | |
been submitted to us yet. But when it's ready, of course it will be | :15:43. | :15:46. | |
published, of course it will be published. It's really important | :15:47. | :15:48. | |
that the debate on immigration is based on facts. Our policy editor, | :15:49. | :15:55. | |
Chris Cook, who broke the story, is here. So what do you make of that? | :15:56. | :16:04. | |
That clip shows how things have moved on in the past 24 hours. Last | :16:05. | :16:12. | |
night we revealed this piece of research showing that immigration | :16:13. | :16:16. | |
had less of an impact on jobs than had previously been claimed. That | :16:17. | :16:24. | |
report had been buried by Downing Street who would not release it. And | :16:25. | :16:30. | |
then this morning we heard... Last night we were told that it was just | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
an internal report. This morning we were told it was not finished. This | :16:36. | :16:40. | |
afternoon we were told we would get it within the next week. That clip | :16:41. | :16:45. | |
of Nick Clegg shows that complete turnaround. Reading between the | :16:46. | :16:51. | |
lines, how big a deal is this for the government? It is quite bad for | :16:52. | :16:55. | |
Theresa May. She has liked to use the impact on unemployment as a | :16:56. | :17:05. | |
justification for reducing the amount. It is quite bad for Downing | :17:06. | :17:08. | |
Street who are now forced to release it. But it is quite good for the Lib | :17:09. | :17:15. | |
Dems. There are pretty relaxed about immigration was the Conservatives | :17:16. | :17:24. | |
are generally not. This is a bit of ammunition inside the Coalition and | :17:25. | :17:28. | |
pretty helpful for Nick Clegg himself. He has the debate coming up | :17:29. | :17:33. | |
with Nigel Farage. So it will give him some ammunition. Newsnight has | :17:34. | :17:41. | |
learned that Theresa May wrote to Cabinet colleagues three months ago | :17:42. | :17:44. | |
seeking approval for her reforms to stop and search. She outlined the | :17:45. | :17:49. | |
desired to change the laws around these controversial police powers | :17:50. | :17:54. | |
and had the backing of the Lib Dems. Downing Street has said the PM | :17:55. | :17:58. | |
accepts reforms need to take place, but some senior Conservatives | :17:59. | :18:00. | |
believe that changes are being held up by regressive attitudes in number | :18:01. | :18:13. | |
ten. Here's Laura Kuennssburg. This happened more than a million times | :18:14. | :18:18. | |
on our streets last year, often to people doing nothing wrong, all too | :18:19. | :18:22. | |
often to young black men. Stopped... Search... Pockets turned | :18:23. | :18:33. | |
out, questions asked. Were you hear the other day? Even socks and shoes | :18:34. | :18:39. | |
checked for weapons. How many times have you been stopped in total, | :18:40. | :18:47. | |
ever? Over 100. At least. Why do you keep getting stopped? I do not know. | :18:48. | :18:54. | |
It is a black neighbourhood. Do you think it is as simple as that? They | :18:55. | :19:01. | |
think everyone is a drug dealer. Do they ever have good reason to stop | :19:02. | :19:08. | |
you? Sometimes. But stop and search does not work very well. A majority | :19:09. | :19:12. | |
of forces do not know how to use the powers properly. Fewer than one in | :19:13. | :19:18. | |
ten league two arrests. Many more lead to resentment. There he is, he | :19:19. | :19:25. | |
is going to stop us. It becomes mutual, it is like Tom and Jerry. | :19:26. | :19:36. | |
Police always chasing people? Always trying to chase people. No surprise | :19:37. | :19:39. | |
there is a strong argument for change. The Met is already doing it | :19:40. | :19:43. | |
on their own. Your searches but raced on more information. More | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
arrests and crucially, fewer complaints. The Home Secretary has | :19:48. | :19:52. | |
made no secret of her desire to redraft the rules. She promised | :19:53. | :19:56. | |
change months ago will stop now we have learned just how far her plans | :19:57. | :20:01. | |
have progressed. She asked a Cabinet colleague to rubber-stamp the | :20:02. | :20:06. | |
proposals in December. It is clear the Home Secretary is ready to | :20:07. | :20:09. | |
reform. On the 4th of December she wrote, this letter home affairs | :20:10. | :20:14. | |
committee clearance for a package of measures which I intend to announce. | :20:15. | :20:19. | |
I would be grateful for responses by the 12th of December. She argued for | :20:20. | :20:25. | |
changing section 60 powers were police can stop and search without | :20:26. | :20:30. | |
permission. She said I intend to amend section 60 so the test for the | :20:31. | :20:36. | |
powers used is necessary rather than expedient to prevent incidents | :20:37. | :20:39. | |
involving serious violence and to raise the level of authorisation to | :20:40. | :20:42. | |
a senior officer who must reasonably believe that violence will take | :20:43. | :20:46. | |
based as opposed to May. Expect this to reduce significantly the number | :20:47. | :20:50. | |
of stop and search is under section 60. The Met is changing its methods. | :20:51. | :20:56. | |
We are in this alley because there were reports of crack being sold and | :20:57. | :21:00. | |
burglaries. To have trust needs to be changed. The Met knows it, the | :21:01. | :21:06. | |
Home Office believes that, the Lib Dems and Labour agree. One minister | :21:07. | :21:14. | |
told me we have to get on with this. So what is the problem? One senior | :21:15. | :21:20. | |
Conservative described to me of aggressive attitude in number ten. | :21:21. | :21:24. | |
Officials tell us the prime Minister accepts the need for change. The | :21:25. | :21:27. | |
important thing is to get a policy right, they believe, rather than | :21:28. | :21:31. | |
rush. But sources believe there is a lack of will. But if David Cameron | :21:32. | :21:36. | |
or listening to his own former adviser on youth crime, he would | :21:37. | :21:43. | |
hear that it has to happen. In urban communities it will be dangerous | :21:44. | :21:51. | |
because I think it breeds criminals. They will be rewarded for stopping | :21:52. | :21:58. | |
stop and search. People feel the forces that be do not represent them | :21:59. | :22:04. | |
and this would be a message in the right direction. By the The Home | :22:05. | :22:10. | |
Office would the police argued for anything like scrapping the powers | :22:11. | :22:15. | |
altogether. In parts of our cities stop and search, use well, can get | :22:16. | :22:19. | |
weapons and drugs off the street. The powers that help keep people | :22:20. | :22:24. | |
safe. But in the same urban areas like Brixton in south London, who is | :22:25. | :22:29. | |
not just historical anger at Radley focused stop and search but fresh | :22:30. | :22:33. | |
mistrust among teenagers today. It is just another day. This is what | :22:34. | :22:40. | |
the police do, go around harassing, stop and searching. It is about | :22:41. | :22:49. | |
being street smart. I was stopped when I was 11 years old. I have not | :22:50. | :22:55. | |
been stopped since but it was not a pleasant experience. Since then I | :22:56. | :22:59. | |
have despised them more and more. For me they are like criminals in | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
fancy dress. They have got a mob mentality. There were seven officers | :23:05. | :23:09. | |
who stopped me. When they are by themselves they look a bit nervous | :23:10. | :23:13. | |
but when there are a lot of them they are comfortable. These two | :23:14. | :23:27. | |
chaps... The Shadow Home Secretary has had cross-party talks to push | :23:28. | :23:33. | |
the matter forward. The Home Secretary has made up her mind in | :23:34. | :23:37. | |
favour of reform that has not yet got her way. But more important | :23:38. | :23:43. | |
perhaps, the hold-up seems to hurt on the streets. Often in places | :23:44. | :23:45. | |
where relationships between the police and the public need the most | :23:46. | :23:57. | |
to heal. Last night my colleague Kirsty Wark recorded this interview | :23:58. | :24:00. | |
with the Met Commissioner Bernard Hogan Howe. Stop and search are | :24:01. | :24:07. | |
worried that do not have a good connotation for the police. If you | :24:08. | :24:11. | |
look over the years at what has happened, you had section 44 of the | :24:12. | :24:18. | |
terrorism act after 9/11. And more recently section 60. And they lead | :24:19. | :24:28. | |
to random stop and search. For many black people in London that has been | :24:29. | :24:33. | |
their experience with the police. And that has created distrust | :24:34. | :24:37. | |
between communities and the police. Yes because there has been some | :24:38. | :24:41. | |
disproportionality with the number of people stopped. I arrived in | :24:42. | :24:48. | |
2011. We had a public enquiry into what had happened with the riots. | :24:49. | :24:52. | |
But I thought it was important to understand the genetic factors. Many | :24:53. | :24:56. | |
people I talk to referred back to stop and search. If you look at | :24:57. | :25:02. | |
statistics, there is something there I thought we needed to look at. So | :25:03. | :25:09. | |
you took unilateral action? The public were asking me to do | :25:10. | :25:13. | |
something. The Met knew something needed to change and I thought it | :25:14. | :25:17. | |
was possible to do less stop and search and be more effective. We had | :25:18. | :25:20. | |
to maintain community support. search and be more effective. We had | :25:21. | :25:29. | |
the arrest rate is still too low search and be more effective. We had | :25:30. | :25:30. | |
the arrest rate is still too low for comfort throughout the country | :25:31. | :25:30. | |
according to Theresa May. It could be better. Over the past two years | :25:31. | :25:36. | |
we reduced stop and search by one third and doubles the number of | :25:37. | :25:43. | |
arrests to almost 20%. We were just the number of complaints now by | :25:44. | :25:46. | |
almost half and reduced the disproportionality. In black and | :25:47. | :25:55. | |
nonblack? Yes, but at the same time we would just stop and search and | :25:56. | :26:02. | |
also reduced violent. You have reduced under section 16 way you can | :26:03. | :26:08. | |
target a particular area without necessarily much suspicion. Could | :26:09. | :26:15. | |
you were just that by 100%? We reduced it around 92% under section | :26:16. | :26:23. | |
60. What was happening was that borough commanders were under | :26:24. | :26:29. | |
pressure. The automatic response was to put in a section 60 stop and | :26:30. | :26:36. | |
search. But the more the where are the less affected the police where. | :26:37. | :26:42. | |
So we took it down to around one. You still have situations where | :26:43. | :26:47. | |
there is evidence of a young boy, he was 11 and was stopped and searched. | :26:48. | :26:54. | |
Because he had an expensive rail ticket. That can circulate through | :26:55. | :26:57. | |
the community and leave your problems. It is not perfect. When we | :26:58. | :27:07. | |
make a mistake, then we do leave a bad imprint on that child, that | :27:08. | :27:12. | |
family. So it is important to get it right. But I think it is an | :27:13. | :27:16. | |
important power that is really effective when used wisely. | :27:17. | :27:21. | |
Effectively a generation has been lost to you in terms of trust. It is | :27:22. | :27:30. | |
always important to keep trying. It has not always been used wisely in | :27:31. | :27:33. | |
the past. It is impossible that it is possible to keep it and use it | :27:34. | :27:41. | |
wisely. I was entirely open-minded. All the public we spoke to have said | :27:42. | :27:46. | |
keep it, but target the right people and when you do it, do it with | :27:47. | :27:50. | |
respect. But for that message of trust, it is not just about what | :27:51. | :27:54. | |
happens in London at the general atmosphere. Do you want to see new | :27:55. | :28:00. | |
legislation for England and Wales? One thing I would do if I have the | :28:01. | :28:07. | |
power, around those section 60 stop searches, limited by time and | :28:08. | :28:11. | |
geography. I would advertise the more in the areas where the operate. | :28:12. | :28:22. | |
People who live in that area might think their property value would be | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
effective. But I would advertise them better. It is something that is | :28:27. | :28:32. | |
being considered. There has been a big consultation exercise. The Home | :28:33. | :28:38. | |
Office has plans, we understand. Why are they not been implemented? We're | :28:39. | :28:42. | |
waiting to hear what those plans will be. And of course if there is | :28:43. | :28:47. | |
something to learn we will learn from it. The biggest thing is this | :28:48. | :28:56. | |
is the first time the Metropolitan police have listened to concerns and | :28:57. | :29:01. | |
done something about it. That is a big allegation about previous | :29:02. | :29:06. | |
incumbents in your job. I'm not trying to have a go at my bid | :29:07. | :29:13. | |
assessors. Genuinely. But it is time to make a change. It is fair to say | :29:14. | :29:16. | |
that in the past there have been arguments about stop and search. I | :29:17. | :29:21. | |
have said I want to do something about it. What are relations like | :29:22. | :29:29. | |
with the critical establishment? I think they're pretty good. We always | :29:30. | :29:34. | |
have issues that we can debate and argue about. But on the whole it is | :29:35. | :29:41. | |
a good relationship. Would Downing Street do well to listen to the Home | :29:42. | :29:46. | |
Office wants top and search? I will leave it to them to have their | :29:47. | :29:50. | |
debate. I will not get involved. We found a way we believe to improve | :29:51. | :29:55. | |
what we are doing. They will have two decide what they want to do | :29:56. | :30:01. | |
next. It is possible to do less and to get better. | :30:02. | :30:05. | |
Mark Carney will face questions next week about what the Bank of England | :30:06. | :30:08. | |
knew about alleged wrongdoing in foreign exchange markets. The bank | :30:09. | :30:11. | |
has suspended one member of staff, and stepped up an investigation into | :30:12. | :30:14. | |
whether or not its offficials knew about market manipulation long | :30:15. | :30:17. | |
before they acted to stop it. As Andy Verity has discovered, the Bank | :30:18. | :30:20. | |
was discussing the potential for market manupiation with foreign | :30:21. | :30:21. | |
exchange traders as early as 2006. Regulators have said allegation of | :30:22. | :30:34. | |
foreign exchange manipulation are every bit as bad as the LIBOR rate | :30:35. | :30:39. | |
fixing scandal that cost banks billions in fines but now the Bank | :30:40. | :30:43. | |
of England is at the heart of it. At the centre of the allegations a | :30:44. | :30:50. | |
chatrooms, you might use them for gossip but in the city they were | :30:51. | :30:54. | |
allegedly used by traders to swap information on what their clients | :30:55. | :30:59. | |
were buying and selling, ahead of a crucial 4pm deadline when prices | :31:00. | :31:02. | |
were set. If one trader revealed their client | :31:03. | :31:06. | |
was about to buy a large amount of dollars at four, other trader es | :31:07. | :31:13. | |
could be buy them before then. That could drive the prices up. The Bank | :31:14. | :31:17. | |
of England's been investigating whether its First Ladies were told | :31:18. | :31:20. | |
trade es were sharing client information like that, and even | :31:21. | :31:25. | |
whether it condoned it. Today it suspended an official and stepped us | :31:26. | :31:28. | |
investigations into what officials knew. | :31:29. | :31:34. | |
The allegation is that the Bank of England itself was engaged in | :31:35. | :31:39. | |
conversations with leading traders, about the possibility of | :31:40. | :31:42. | |
manipulation of foreign exchange markets, which go back for some | :31:43. | :31:46. | |
year, that is tremendously serious, if there was any knowledge or | :31:47. | :31:49. | |
tolerance of something like this happening, and action wasn't taken. | :31:50. | :31:53. | |
How embarrassing this is for the Bank of England will depend on what | :31:54. | :31:57. | |
happened in a 15 minute converisation here, at BNP par bar, | :31:58. | :32:04. | |
where Bank of England officials met leading foreign currency traders to | :32:05. | :32:09. | |
discuss what was and wasn't proper on the foreign exchange markets. | :32:10. | :32:13. | |
We have seen the official Benjamins of that meeting on the 23rd April | :32:14. | :32:25. | |
2012. Under item six it says: -- minutes. One of the currency traders | :32:26. | :32:31. | |
reportedly took notes, saying at that point the bank was told trader | :32:32. | :32:35. | |
were sharing client information. The bank told the traders it wasn't | :32:36. | :32:41. | |
improper. . You investigating this, what is going on? Yes, the Bank of | :32:42. | :32:47. | |
England does not condone any form of market manipulation in any any | :32:48. | :32:53. | |
contact whatsoever. Today, further Benjamins showed traders raiseded | :32:54. | :32:58. | |
evidence of wefd the Bank of England way back in 2006, yes it was only | :32:59. | :33:03. | |
last October, seven years later that the bank's sister regulator started | :33:04. | :33:09. | |
investigating foreign exchange manipulation. If the bank of England | :33:10. | :33:12. | |
is subsequently found at the end of the review to have known about the | :33:13. | :33:18. | |
activities, which the FSA is investigating it may lead to legal | :33:19. | :33:23. | |
actions, it will be very embarrassing for the bank to have | :33:24. | :33:28. | |
been made wear of those issues some time ago and not to have raised the | :33:29. | :33:33. | |
issues with those banks and other regulators and taken it further. | :33:34. | :33:38. | |
Swapping information on include orders in internet chatrooms is | :33:39. | :33:42. | |
clearly against the rules, and 20 traders have been suspend or fired. | :33:43. | :33:48. | |
But it won't be so easy for regulators to levy fines on the | :33:49. | :33:52. | |
banks if it turns out the bank of England knew all about it. Well, let | :33:53. | :33:57. | |
us talk more about this with Dr Pippa Malmgren, a former economic | :33:58. | :34:01. | |
adviser to George Bush who works in asset management. Thank you for | :34:02. | :34:06. | |
coming in. Clarify for us this whole question of whether something is | :34:07. | :34:10. | |
proper or improper, it sound like the rules have been changed. They | :34:11. | :34:14. | |
are very fluid in the sense that practises that were considered | :34:15. | :34:18. | |
perfectly normal, five or six years ago, now in retrospect don't look so | :34:19. | :34:23. | |
good, in the aftermath of the financial crisis, and I think part | :34:24. | :34:27. | |
of the reason, the regulators like the bank of England were having | :34:28. | :34:31. | |
conversations with people in the market, was to understand how the | :34:32. | :34:36. | |
markets were operating, which is not to say they thought it was | :34:37. | :34:41. | |
inappropriate, or improper, and I think it is still unclear what was | :34:42. | :34:46. | |
improper and what was just normal business practise. Because this has | :34:47. | :34:53. | |
been below the radar, why is -- has it been kept so quiet for so long? I | :34:54. | :34:57. | |
look at it a different way, I think what with are seeing is a systematic | :34:58. | :35:03. | |
effort by policy maker, politicians, to squeeze financial services to | :35:04. | :35:09. | |
find examples of crossing the line and wrongdoing, it started with the | :35:10. | :35:12. | |
LIBOR investigation, that was a success. When you say they are | :35:13. | :35:16. | |
squeezing, you don't think this is inappropriate to go and... I think | :35:17. | :35:20. | |
it is a normal response to a financial crisis that was so severe, | :35:21. | :35:25. | |
it required public funds to bail the institutions out. So in the | :35:26. | :35:28. | |
aftermath of that they are now looking at each business line and | :35:29. | :35:33. | |
trying to discern what practises are occurring and are they appropriate, | :35:34. | :35:38. | |
so as I went through LIBOR, achieved some really substantial fine, then | :35:39. | :35:42. | |
they turned into new areas and now we are talking about foreign | :35:43. | :35:45. | |
exchange and options. We are talking about the bank of England. We have | :35:46. | :35:50. | |
seen it with LIBOR and the commercial banks and the bank of | :35:51. | :35:53. | |
England has said it is auditing staff, and all the rest of it, but | :35:54. | :36:00. | |
if this goes back as Andy suggested, to 2006, and it didn't act as | :36:01. | :36:05. | |
quickly as it could, that is highly embarrassing,isn't it? It is an | :36:06. | :36:09. | |
issue. This question of what was the appropriate stance for the | :36:10. | :36:15. | |
regulator, today their actions in 2006 look different than in 2006. | :36:16. | :36:20. | |
But they are also taking on more regulatory powers. Indeed. | :36:21. | :36:24. | |
Absolutely. So I think, look, let us understand the issue at hand. Every | :36:25. | :36:30. | |
day at 4.00, all of the clients in the foreign exchange market, which | :36:31. | :36:35. | |
every day is roughly four to five trillion dollars a day, there was | :36:36. | :36:39. | |
one moment in time where there was a clear fixed price. That is when most | :36:40. | :36:42. | |
of the clients wanted to trap act, so they would have certainty -- | :36:43. | :36:47. | |
transact. They wanted the fixing, so the allegation is not that the | :36:48. | :36:52. | |
fixing shouldn't happen, it is what information was exchanged about | :36:53. | :36:55. | |
clients in the process of arriving at the fixed price, and how much | :36:56. | :37:00. | |
involvement was there by regulators in that process. It is very similar | :37:01. | :37:05. | |
to LIBOR, in that way, then, is there a direct comparison to be made | :37:06. | :37:10. | |
between the scandal? I do think there is, but in the same way that | :37:11. | :37:15. | |
LIBOR systemically pushed the interest rate lower, I with was | :37:16. | :37:19. | |
beneficial to the public and the customer, this maybe true in this | :37:20. | :37:23. | |
case as well, that is not the point. The point is that regulators are | :37:24. | :37:29. | |
looking for examples of transgression, and finding ways of | :37:30. | :37:34. | |
stop the financial markets from engaging in business practises that | :37:35. | :37:39. | |
today make us uncomfortable. Instead of writing a new rule it happens in | :37:40. | :37:41. | |
the course of investigation. When you start looking you find all kinds | :37:42. | :37:45. | |
of other things you weren't looking for. If we are are at the beginning | :37:46. | :37:50. | |
of this investigation, how far do you think this could spread? I think | :37:51. | :37:53. | |
it is going to be quite widespread. Again, because it is not just | :37:54. | :37:57. | |
foreign exchange it is option, which is the business of taking bets on | :37:58. | :38:04. | |
possible future outcomes -- options. Eif I were a poll -- if I were a | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
politician and I was a regulator looking to fine, I would say this is | :38:10. | :38:13. | |
richer territory for success and scoring points. You think it is | :38:14. | :38:18. | |
about trying to find fines? I think there is a strand of that, for sure, | :38:19. | :38:25. | |
but I also think that we could find there were examples of crossing a | :38:26. | :38:29. | |
line, but I also think that what was normal business practise at the time | :38:30. | :38:34. | |
definitely is not acceptable today, and there will be -- they will be | :38:35. | :38:38. | |
judged in retrospect. Very interesting to hear. Thank you. | :38:39. | :38:42. | |
Mark Zuckerberg once told me he wanted to turn Facebook into a | :38:43. | :38:45. | |
global utility, to connect parts of the world that other providers | :38:46. | :38:47. | |
couldn't reach. Now we have a hint at how Facebook | :38:48. | :38:51. | |
might do this - through high altitude pilotless drones that can | :38:52. | :38:54. | |
stay aloft for five years at a time. They're not the only ones. Google | :38:55. | :38:59. | |
have been working on a similar venture, Project Loon, using high | :39:00. | :39:02. | |
altitude weather balloons. Here's our technology editor, David | :39:03. | :39:03. | |
Grossman. While we may have become blase about | :39:04. | :39:16. | |
our online lives, this animation shows that for most of humanity the | :39:17. | :39:22. | |
internet has yet to arrive. Like modern missionaries, the text | :39:23. | :39:25. | |
emperors are looking to spread the wonders of their work to | :39:26. | :39:27. | |
unconnected. When I was getting started with | :39:28. | :39:31. | |
Facebook I could build it because I had access to the internet and a few | :39:32. | :39:36. | |
basic tool, that gave me what I needed to build this for the world. | :39:37. | :39:42. | |
While broadband internet penetration in developed countries is | :39:43. | :39:45. | |
three-quarters of the population in India is it 13%, Africa, 20%, south | :39:46. | :39:52. | |
and east Asia 21% and 45% in Latin America. | :39:53. | :39:57. | |
What is more, the method by which Europe and North America managed to | :39:58. | :40:01. | |
role out broadband simply isn't open to much of the world. -- roll When | :40:02. | :40:05. | |
you are looking at companies like BT they are able to rely on the | :40:06. | :40:10. | |
existing infrastructure that was developed for telephony. In Africa | :40:11. | :40:16. | |
these networks were nerve built, so we have seen very low fixed | :40:17. | :40:20. | |
broadband. Last summer, Mark Zuckerberg, the co-founder of | :40:21. | :40:28. | |
Facebook launched internet.org.uk. What we didn't know, was how he was | :40:29. | :40:35. | |
planning to do it. Now, however, credible press reports suggest | :40:36. | :40:39. | |
Facebook is planning to spend $60 million on a company that makes high | :40:40. | :40:45. | |
altitude pilotless drones that would act like low level satellites. They | :40:46. | :40:53. | |
would fly at over 65,000 feet, above regulated airspace and with solar | :40:54. | :41:02. | |
rechargeable batteries say aloft forify years at a time. I would need | :41:03. | :41:11. | |
thousands though. I can only applaud the initiative, however, I don't | :41:12. | :41:16. | |
think it is going to solve all the problems of Africa, or any other | :41:17. | :41:21. | |
region the world. I believe that there are other solutions that we | :41:22. | :41:27. | |
are currently working on, that are bearing fruit, and that I believe | :41:28. | :41:35. | |
will have bigger impact. Facebook's not the only text joint working on | :41:36. | :41:38. | |
this problem. One, two, three. | :41:39. | :41:44. | |
Google has Project Loon, instead of pilotless drones it would use high | :41:45. | :41:49. | |
altitude weather balloons, when I was there in January I spoke to the | :41:50. | :41:54. | |
architect of Project Loon. I propose something and I can't tell you what | :41:55. | :41:58. | |
this is because we might do it. I proposed an idea I was passionate | :41:59. | :42:02. | |
ant. I thought I have it. They say you know what, this is a good idea | :42:03. | :42:07. | |
but the problem is, most of people who can benefit from this won't | :42:08. | :42:10. | |
because they don't have connectivity. I was like, you are | :42:11. | :42:16. | |
right, I don't know how I could have overlooked that. It is a hard | :42:17. | :42:20. | |
problem. How do I solve that? And many years prior to this I had this | :42:21. | :42:25. | |
crazy idea about you know, using balloons for connectivity, and I | :42:26. | :42:31. | |
thought, well, you know, I don't know why this won't work. Let me go | :42:32. | :42:34. | |
back to that idea. So how big a bump would connecting | :42:35. | :42:38. | |
up the unconnected give? According to a study increasing internet | :42:39. | :42:44. | |
penetration to European levels would be worth $450 per person to Africa | :42:45. | :42:50. | |
as well as 44 million extra jobs. According to the same study it could | :42:51. | :42:56. | |
save one million live, including 130,000 children, but it also makes | :42:57. | :43:00. | |
good business sense for the text companies. Ultimately both companies | :43:01. | :43:04. | |
make money from internet ewe San, whether that is social media or | :43:05. | :43:08. | |
search and advertising or video advertising, so they are both | :43:09. | :43:11. | |
interested in building the scale of internet users in the future so they | :43:12. | :43:19. | |
can basically sell advertising, and generate revenues from the consumers | :43:20. | :43:24. | |
in these market, you are currently untapped. So, the scramble for | :43:25. | :43:29. | |
Africa and other parts of the globe is on once more, this time not under | :43:30. | :43:34. | |
the flags of the European power, but under the logos of the text giants. | :43:35. | :43:39. | |
If this works it could represent the biggest single economic advance ever | :43:40. | :43:46. | |
for the developing world. Let us take you through the | :43:47. | :43:50. | |
front-pages before we go. The independent has Chris Cook's story | :43:51. | :43:54. | |
on front. The impact of immigrants of British workers negligible. Very | :43:55. | :44:02. | |
little evidence of overseas workers taking jobs from Britons. | :44:03. | :44:12. | |
The Financial Times has the foreign exchange scandal. Scandal hits the | :44:13. | :44:19. | |
bank of England. It has on its fifth birthday quantitative easing looks | :44:20. | :44:24. | |
to future. The most extraordinary experiment in the bank's history. | :44:25. | :44:31. | |
Middle class is blamed for migration in the Daily Telegraph, and halve | :44:32. | :44:34. | |
your sugar intake say health experts. While British women have | :44:35. | :44:39. | |
been crowned the Queens of leisure, and the Guardian has BBC Three Gavin | :44:40. | :44:44. | |
and Stacey with Tony Hall's plans to move it on to iPlayer. There was | :44:45. | :44:52. | |
major England football team news today. No, not a World Cup warm-up | :44:53. | :44:56. | |
win over Denmark, but the recording of the official song for this | :44:57. | :44:59. | |
summer's tournament in Brazil. A cover of the Take That hit, Greatest | :45:00. | :45:03. | |
Day. Tthe recording features former England players including Gary | :45:04. | :45:05. | |
Lineker, Peter Shilton and Michael Owen. In the absence of a sneak | :45:06. | :45:08. | |
preview, we're left with no alternative but to dig up the 1990 | :45:09. | :45:23. | |
version instead. Oh well. Goodnight. # You can be slow or fast. # There's | :45:24. | :45:42. | |
only one way to beat them. # What you are looking at is the master | :45:43. | :46:12. | |
plan. # Playing for England! We | :46:13. | :46:14. |