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Well that went well, the new President of the European Commission

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is a card-carrying, Cognac swilling, fully paid up member of the Brussels

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federalist establishment. Where is your reform agenda now Mr Cameron?

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If I say I'm not going to back down, I won't. This is going to be a long,

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tough fight, and frankly sometimes you have to be ready to lose a

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battle in order to win war. Conservatives old and new will be

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here to tell us what the Prime Minister does for an encore.

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Who gives you the visual truth in the age of Photoshop and cosmetic

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surgery, the snapper with the camera or artist with the brush. 25 years

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ago portraits were so far out of fashion that there was genuine

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debate about them becoming extinct. I believe in a snapshot saturated

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world, people are looking to the artist to reveal something deeper

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about their subject. And Dylan Thomas. Now as I was young and easy

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under the apple bough, about the looting house and happy as the grass

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was green... He's not quite as good as that one, but we have a

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newly-discovered Dylan Thomas poem, who better to give it its first

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outing than the man who played him, Tom Hollander.

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One Tory MEP said it marked the beginning of the end of Britain's

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membership of the EU, even David Cameron admitted that his desire for

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a more semi-detatched relationship with Europe had just got heard. The

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elevation of Jean-Claude Juncker, the epity -- epitomy of everything

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Tory euro-sceptics despise about Britain, this didn't just leave the

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Prime Minister an outsider in Europe, but it threatened to

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undermine his whole European referendum strategy.

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The commission is the mothership of the European project. Employing

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33,000 civil servants and producing myriad regulations. Little wonder

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that the battle over who should run it became such an emotive one for

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the British Prime Minister. But today, he had to leave Brussels,

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having seen his plans to stop Jean-Claude Juncker thwarted, with

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all the Jean-Claude Juncker thwarted, with

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his Europe policy. Today's Jean-Claude Juncker thwarted, with

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is nod the one I wanted, frankly it makes it harder and the stakes

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higher. This is an important stand but it is far from being the last

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stand. My colleagues on the European Council know that I'm deadly serious

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about EU reform, that I keep my word, that if I say I'm not going to

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back down, I won't. This is going to be a long, tough fight, and frankly,

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sometimes you have to be ready to lose a battle in order to win a war.

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As the weeks before this encounter ticked by, it became clear that only

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Hungary would embrace Mr Cameron and his vocal objection to Juncker. That

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Government too is under take from the right, and together they found

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themselves isolated today. There has definitely been progress in the

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sense of gathering allies on the continent, but when things go really

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into an important stage and there is a forcing of countries to choose

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between Britain and Germany. Countries will choose Germany. Dane,

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Swedes, Dutch and Finns who have some time allied with Britain over

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the case for change of late were picked off by Germany. When they

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came here those customary Cameron allies were already sending a

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message that the Juncker fair was over and it was up to the British to

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get back into the persuasion business as soon as possible. I

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believe that the UK needs to come back and Europe needs the UK to be

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part of us, I very much hope that after today we can get back on track

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where the UK is an important partner and influential partner in the

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European Union. And the British leader actually followed their

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advice in this sense. He stood back from a nuclear option of saying he

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would now Campaign for an exit from the EU, instead arguing that the

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communique words recognising his request for reform were an

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achievement and it would go on. The Prime Minister himself made it very

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clear, one, he wants Britain to stay in the European Union, two, he has

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plan and a strategy that should be so, three, that the council should

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take into account the concerns and anxieties he has expressed. Mr

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Cameron has set today's events in a proud tradition of Conservative

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defiance to the European federalists. But there are some

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inconvenient facts arising from Mr Juncker's appointment. It has shown

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the power of the European Parliament, reinforced by the Lisbon

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Treaty. And, of course, Britain and Hungary were outvoted by a majority

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of other European countries on this. There could be no British veto.

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The path awaiting the British PM is unchartered. Being a solitary voice

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in Brussels may work well for him at home, but here, with majority

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voting, it is not a good place to be. We have the Vice President of

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the centre right European People's Party in the European Parliament. Mr

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Juncker was their candidate. She joins us from Germany? You have been

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dining with some leading supporters of Mr Juncker tonight, were what

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were they saying about the British Prime Minister? Well, what I hear

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most is concern, I think we would all like to have a European Union

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with Britain in it rather than out, so we look with concern to what's

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happening in the UK? Where does that leave Mr Cameron's hopes for reform

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and chances of repatriating powers from Brussels back to London. . Well

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I actually was elected in the Netherlands partially on that

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agenda. We would like the European Union to focus on key taxes and not

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on the level of detail we would seen in the past. I would be quite happy

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for the UK to weigh their fruits and vegtables in pounds and ounces and

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us in kilograms. That is not the key issue Europe should be about. We

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share part of the same agenda, but you need to be in Europe to change

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it. But nobody really wanted Mr Juncker, not even Mrs Angela Merkel

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wanted it, at least Mr Cameron was honest? Well, I doubt that. Actually

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it only makes sense that you take into account the result of the

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European elections. The UK virtually invented parliamentary democracy. It

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only makes sense to make sure that the biggest party in the European

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Parliament has a say about the kind of leader they want in the European

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Commission. Now he might not be the sexiest man alive, but he can get

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things done in Europe on this, in my view, hopefully reform agenda. But

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the way Britain voted in the European elections and the way

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France voted in the European election, they don't want to go down

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Mr Juncker's route? Well we have the same issues and the same challenges

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in the Netherlands, we have a strong extreme right party that would

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rather get out of Europe. My party makes the analysis that for the

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Dutch citizen it is better to be in Europe. But a Europe that is

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focussed on key tasks. Now the debate in the UK will have to be the

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same. Is it in theritish interests to be part of Europe, although

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reformed, or do we want out. That is not something we decide in the

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European Parliament, that belongs in the British national parliament.

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Explain this to British people, the European elite has run Europe into a

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financial crisis, economic stagnation, mass unemployment of

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Europe's youth, and yet you choose as your new President the epitomy of

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that elite, why? I come from a small member-state, and we know that it's

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better to be in some issues together rather than alone. Look at trade

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negotiations, there are important trade negotiations coming up with

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the United States. It is always more comfortable to negotiate on behalf

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of 28 countries rather than one. It makes your weight in the world

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bigger. And that is the challenge for the 21st sent treatment how do

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we make sure that Europe, we're only going to be 5% of the world's

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population at the end of the century, that we're prepared for

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this age of globalisation. That is the challenge. And sometimes you can

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do that alone and we would like to do that nationally, but sometimes

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better with allies. Interesting answer gut butt not the question.

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My guests join me now. The press tomorrow saying this takes Britain

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one step closer to the exit, do you agree? It might be but I'm not

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convinced. What happened today was Angela Merkel and other heads of

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Government wanting to avoid conflict with the European Parliament, that

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was the fundamental machine why Angela Merkel changed her position,

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which was originally to support a wider selection of candidates. When

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it comes to the renegotiation there is a much more fundamental issue at

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stake. Will the other member states be content to see the second-largest

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member of the European Union forced into a situation where it leaves the

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European Union. My judgment, for what it is worth, is for all sorts

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of different reasons, there is hardly a single country in the EU

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that wants the UK to leave, that will influence, if David Cameron

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puts forward a whole series of proposals that can be considered for

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the UK, without doing fundamental damage to other European countries,

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that will be the basis of a successful negotiation. Mr Cameron

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lost 26-2, needs to win 28-0 for any major repatriation of powers to take

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place. It is mission impossible? You say that, but this was about a

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different issue. A simpler issue? Forgive me, this was an issue on

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which it was safe for the other heads of Government to disagree with

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David Cameron, to reject his view, because that way they avoided a

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major row with the European Parliament, which at this point in

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time was more important to them. If they do not make the best effort

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they can. I'm not predicting success. What I'm saying is if they

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do not make a genuine effort to actually make contact with the

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British position and try to understand UK concerns, then they

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know what follows. There will be a referendum in the UK, and the UK

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would then possibly leave the European Union, for various reasons,

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nobody wants to see that happen. How do you rate the Prime Minister's

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chances of major reform? In terms of an overall of the European Union

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plainly, that has been shot down in the most visible way this afternoon.

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The idea that the European Union is going to start a massive

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decentralisation of power is falsified by what has just happened.

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Mr Juncker campaigned quite openly, quite honourably for a United States

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of Europe. He wants a European citizenship where we vote in each

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other's general election, an army, a police force. He has been given a

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mandate to address Britain's concerns, it is not all over? It is

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possible Britain goes for a Swiss-type deal where we are only in

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the free market and outside everything else. If you want to

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dress that up as associated status, and it is called Private limbed

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partnership or associate partnership. If we get that I'm not

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fussed about what it is called. The idea there will be a general

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loosening of the European Union, it is not that I think it will happen,

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Angela Merkel came out of the meeting today and said in her press

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conference, ever closer union must apply to all 28 member states. She

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said it didn't have to apply at the apply to all 28 member states. She

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same speed. He mentioned the German Chancellor, Mrs Angela Merkel told

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David Cameron she didn't want Mr Juncker and then buckled under media

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and political pressure. How can he trust her again? You have 28

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democratically elected Prime Ministers with domestic

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constituencies. I said a few moments ago what David Cameron must seek to

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do is achieve reforms that meet the British concerns without imposing

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anything on other EU members. What we are talking about should include

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elements of repatriation, but that is not all. One of the most

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important objectives has to be as the Dutch Prime Minister has said,

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we are at the end of the days of ever-closer union. What we need is a

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system whereby those countries, like Germany, wish to integrate further

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have a right to do so, but countries like the UK, Sweden, Denmark and

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others, who don't want, don't have to negotiate opt-out, they have an

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equal right to say that kind of European Union is not the one we

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wish to be part of. I want to look at the politic of this, what would

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the Tory Party response be, if Mr Cameron came back, if he wins the

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election and does the negotiation, with only cosmetic changes to our

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current terms, and said we should still stay in. What would happen in

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the Tory Party? I can't speak for the Tory Party, I can only speak for

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me. I would of course vote to come out in that situation. And what you

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have just described has been the Foreign Office policy up until now,

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to make the minimal changes they think they can get away with, to do

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Harold Wilson and come back and oversell it and pretend we have now

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great new deal. That policy was aborted today. It is now an

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impossible sell for anyone to come to the British electorate and say

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there is a whole new deal. There is only two option, one we vote to

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leave, the second is vote some kind of semi-detatched status peculiar to

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us and we are only in the free market. Do you think we are more

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likely to head to the exit? Yes. Mr Cameron's nightmare is this that he

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doesn't get any changes and he still says we should stay in. That would

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split the Tory Party down the middle, wouldn't it? Whatever

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happens that is not going to happen. Why? I will tell you why. The

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French, the Germans, all the smaller countries, for different reasons,

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are very anxious that the whole European project would be derailed.

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They have They have a funny way of showing it. This was a particular

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disagreement about an individual's appointment, that has very little

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significance in long-term history. Ultimate decisions are not taken by

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the President of the Commission but heads of Government. Do you think

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there will be enough to appease Tory backbenchers. Daniel is a hardline

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euro-sceptic, what he might call cosmetic is not necessarily what

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most reasonable people would he see see.

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We are talking about the Tory backbenchers? We are talking about

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the British electorate who will define this. It is ridiculous to see

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this as a Tory split story, it is about the country, we have a

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fundamentally different vision of Europe, I don't think David Cameron

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or the Conservative Party are unusual. We get it all the time in

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our constituency surgeries. We want free trade and collaboration and not

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merger. If David Cameron came back with something that was obviously

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cosmetic that would be rejected I in judgment by the British public, and

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might even be by David Cameron himself. I think there are solid

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substantial reforms that could be made which would not be cosmetic,

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which would protect the United Kingdom from further integration

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that we do not want and would enable us to achieve a European Union which

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the UK, so far as its level of integration could be comfortable

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with. Suppose you are wrong and Mr Cameron only gets cosmetic changes,

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would you vote to stay in on current terms of membership? I would have to

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make a judgment at that stage. You know what the current terms of

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membership are? If the vote was tomorrow I would vote to stay in.

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Based on the current terms? Iternally would, yes. If the choice

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was because I think there is enough benefit for the UK to justify that

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decision. But that doesn't mean I would want a renegotiation. There

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are many issues of reform I would want to see. I think he will come

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back with something substantial, time will tell. Europe is the only

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continent on the planet shrinking economically, we need to raise our

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eyes to more distant horizons and locations.

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Thank you very much gentlemen. Now London state schools used to be a

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bi-word for mediocrity and underperformance, now the capital is

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the best place in England to go to school, especially from a poor

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background. We are not exactly sure why. Maybe, just maybe the answer is

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about teachers' love lives. Grange Hill is London's most famous school,

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but were it running today it would look very different. That is because

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the capital's schools have, in the past decade emerged as comfortably

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the country's best. And, this month three separate reports are being

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published on why. The success of London's schools is enormously

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important for the rest of the country. That is because the capital

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is now the lens through which all discussion of educational success is

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being focussed. For example the Labour Party wants more

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collaboration between schools. That's based on the success of a

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London scheme called the London Challenge which encouraged heads to

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work together. The Tories are more focussed on what you do with failing

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schools and replacing management. That happened a lot in London too.

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In truth none of these explanation are big enough to explain the size

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of the phenomenon in the city. London's schools take the poorest

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children in the country, looking at pupils taking GCSEs in 2012, they

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were more likely to be on free school meals, a popular indicator of

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poverty. Yet its schools get the best results in the country. Most

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Inner London children get straight As than the national average. The

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data shows this is the result of a decade of improvement. So the many

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to this mystery, whatever it is, must be very big and very old. One

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idea that has been gaining currency is that of assortive mating, that is

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the idea that graduates are more likely to marry other graduates, for

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teachers that means that their partners are more likely to be

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highly educated, and, since there is greater demand for graduate skills

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in London, then in other parts of the country, that means they are

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more likely to be drawn to London so their partners can get a good job.

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You can see that in the figures. These bars show the share of

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teachers partnered up with graduates across length England. And this is

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Inner London, where they are much more likely to be partnered up with

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other graduates. Outside London graduates married to teachers are

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quickly likely to work in the public sector, but in London you see they

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do a different mix of jobs. Very few work for the state. Many will be

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doing jobs that right now only exist in London. Why did you come to teach

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in London? I grew up in London and I was always told that if you can

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teach in London you can teach anywhere, because historically it

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was the most changing place to teach. That is why I started here.

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And I'm still working in the first school I trained in and I absolutely

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loved it. Can you see yourself ever leaving London? My husband works in

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a job that ties into London pretty much for life, so we are here for

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good. These are new teachers starting this week on Teach First,

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one big question for future is how do we help these young people choose

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a life outside the capital. Cities like Leeds have big recruitment

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problems. Perhaps the simplest answer is teachers need to be a bit

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more inventive in their dating habit, must try harder!

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The BP Portrait Award is in its 20th year with more entries than before.

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One of the celebrated artists believe its popularity is people

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trust painters more than photographers to show the truth

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about their subjects. He has made a film for Newsnight to argue his

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case. # I have been looking so long

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# At lease pictures of you 25 years ago I was leaving school

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and wanted to be painter, at that time portraits were so far out of

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fashion that there was genuine debate abo whether they might become

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extinct. It was said the camera never lies, and the belief was that

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photography was a far more truthful and authoritative medium. But since

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the advent of digital photography, and in particular camera phones we

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have seen a vast increase in the number of photos being taken by

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everyone around us. The emergence of social media means we are now

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exposed to a huge number of cleverly posed, selected and enhanced images

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of friends and family. We are also more saturated than ever with

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glamorous idealised photos of models and celebrities, like these taken by

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photographer Rich Hardcast. Digital enhancement is a process in its own

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right. We no longer assume that a photograph represents what the

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camera saw. It is impossible but you will make me look more hand some.

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Removing obvious spots. And when we can go up. Some wrinkle lines.

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Bringing down the wrinkles on the forehead, like so. This is about

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where I would stop, personally. Because it looks like you. It sort

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of says something about you, you can see your laughter lines. But you

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know. That looks to me like a slightly improved version of how I

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am now. The photo was a bit unkind to me? It is the varnished truth we

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have here. If you didn't mind going beyond that. We can get rid of these

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lines around your eyes, like so. This is the original image that we

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had, and then there is this which you are starting to look a little

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bit like a freak! And you know, this is only the start, I mean you could

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go all out and make you look like you had the face of a baby! That

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would be the stuff of nightmares! Photoshop may be a recent

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phenomenon, but image enhancement is as old as the hills. I'm surrounded

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here by the 18th century equivalent of a Facebook page now. You have a

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circle of friends, who are all advertising their general

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fabulousness for all to see. Much in the way that Facebook today tends to

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encourage people to project a certain kind of uniformity. The

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fashions of time we can see from the pictures was a chubby face, velvets

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and pretty much all in ridiculous bouffant hair, except for this guy

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who didn't get the wig memo. Me my own paintings I try to do the

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opposite and bring out the I haddy -- I haddy sin crass -- id iOS

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yncraciess. There is also the use of Botox and fillers that communicate

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how we feel about each other in another way. I entered this portrait

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prize when there was one hundred entries and now there are thousands

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and the quality gets higher every year. I love this painting, there is

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something very empathetic about this figure sitting quietly contemplating

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something in his own life and invites us to do the same in a more

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studied and calm way perhaps than a photographic image. Nor has the

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imagined been enhanced by Photoshop, and glamorised to he suit an

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editorial and glamour agenda just the subject's agenda on coming

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across. I think it is very successful. I believe the loss of

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trust in photography is documentary medium, and the deliberate

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alteration of our physical appearance is some of the reasons

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behind the huge resurgence of a painting portrait. In a snapshot

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saturated world, people are looking to artists to reveal something

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deeper about their subject. In order to drive this forward we do need

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exhibitions like this one to help us find new and brilliant exponents of

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the genre. Jonathan is here along with a renowned photographer whose

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pictures of people like Barack Obama, Brad Pitt and others have

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been exhibited around the world. The camera can lie afterall? Of course

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the camera can lie, but I think that the truth is in the intervention. I

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think that all art is about the choices one makes. And I think,

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well, I totally agree that popular imagery, air brushes the shadow away

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from our lives. But one has to ring-fence this as popular imagery.

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This is advertising and it is not art, and I think what we are talking

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about is art and that is about point of view and one's, how one

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intervenes. Cromwell said that his portrait artist should paint him

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warts and all. But I bet your celebrity sitters don't say that to

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you, you are going along with this in a way? I think you would be

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surprised, if you think Cromwell existed at a time when artists would

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expect to cover all those things up. Nowadays, you know, you could have a

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portrait of you that covered up all the imperfections, but it would be

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contradicted by all the photographic evidence around it. You and the

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artist would look ridiculous. But it is more obvious if you are truthful

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or not these days. How do we know when a photographer has done this or

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not? There are lots and lots of bad paintings and lots and lots of bad

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photographs. I think that the point is that we have to be in

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relationship with our sitter, you enter into a relationship and that's

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nonverbal or how I'm feeling, everything that is behind me comes

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into the room as well. And how I see this person is how I will photograph

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them. And I might recognise in them vulnerability, envy or happiness,

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and all of these human conditions I would call them are what make a

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portrait interesting. I understand, but how do we know it is the

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unalloyed picture, or is there now an expectation that most pictures

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are in some way retouched? No I think in the popular media that's an

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expectation. But I don't think it is in art. Do you do it? I use

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Photoshop to enhance a jacket, to darken somebody's hair because I

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want to enhance a mood or something that I felt, or for that kind of

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way, it isn't that different to how I might have worked in the dark road

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map. Room. -- room. Has your profession been darkened by what has

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appeared in the glossy magazines? I think coming out of all of this

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popular imagery is a rebirth and better art will be made. I want you

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both to look at what is behind me, there is two representations here of

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a supermodel, Erin O'Connor, your black and white picture and your

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colour portrait of her. Why is black and white picture and your

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more honest than his photograph? I don't know that it is. I think a

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great portrait photograph does have a great honesty about it. I remember

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Owen saying at the time the reason -- Erin saying she wanted a portrait

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painted is because at that time in her life she was on magazines and

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everywhere she didn't feel it was her because there was editorial

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imposed on her. The photograph looks like her? That was a great

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photographer! I think it is not so much that, what has happened is our

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perception of what photography is has changed. That is an interesting

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point about using retouching because everyone does. Do you object that? I

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don't object it, most artists use photography, there is more crossover

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than there used to be. There is an expectation now that photographers

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are becoming artists and using it as a medium rather than being a

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separate entity. The devices I choose to use are the devices you

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might do, you might use a certain paint brush and use soft light, you

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might too. People paint brush and use soft light, you

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think there is plenty of room in the world for both. That is it for

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tonight because the 13-year-olds have to get to bed. If they are

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13-year-old there is a lot of under age drinking going on and they are

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not ageing well let me tell you. Something you have never heard

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before a new poem by Dylan Thomas read for the first time. And Tom

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Hollander played the part in the film marking his death. This appears

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to be a drinking song, dashed off the pub.

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When licensed to sell beer, wine and spirits and alcohol as well,

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advertised in the paper he would open that night his own hotel the

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town had a fright. He wept like a baby and took to his bed. Mrs Lil

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Jenkins of the old pig and swill sacked all the barmaids and was sick

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in the till. In every saloon and public too there was such a

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commotion than nobody knew, for the licensed for all, drinking and

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smoking by men small and tall had decided to call his hotel the

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Liberty Fliberty Giberty Hall Hotel. The drinks were all free and

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cigarettes as well in the brand new hotel. There were no set hours,

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there were no decrees and nobody shouted "time gentlemen please". For

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in this splendid place, no gentleman ever disgraced our fair race, there

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was nothing to pay, and nothing to lose, in the Buckingham Palace of

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booze.

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