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exclusively to the man who secured convictions for the murder of | :00:10. | :00:14. | |
Stephen Lawrence, he says senior interference stopped him | :00:15. | :00:16. | |
investigating child abuse allegations in the 1990s after he | :00:17. | :00:21. | |
named the suspects. I was informed that was inappropriate and that in | :00:22. | :00:27. | |
fact I would be moved from my post. That information included | :00:28. | :00:33. | |
politicians' names? Yeah, correct. Former detective Clive Driscoll also | :00:34. | :00:38. | |
shares fresh revelation about how the inquiry into Stephen Lawrence's | :00:39. | :00:43. | |
murder looked from the inside. Stephen's friend Dwyane Brooks is | :00:44. | :00:48. | |
here. The longest walk in politics, Michael Gove goes into Number Ten as | :00:49. | :00:53. | |
Education Secretary and comes out as something rather more junior. Why? | :00:54. | :01:00. | |
What happens when you send an artist to Helmand? I wish on reflection | :01:01. | :01:04. | |
that I hadn't gone to Helmand, sending an artist to a warzone is a | :01:05. | :01:08. | |
complex moral and ethical responsibility. Making work under | :01:09. | :01:20. | |
those conditions is life-changing. Good evening. It took 18 years after | :01:21. | :01:25. | |
his death before two of his killers were put behind bars. But tonight, | :01:26. | :01:30. | |
the detective who built the case against Stephen Lawrence's killers | :01:31. | :01:34. | |
has told Newsnight that inside the Met some people never wanted a | :01:35. | :01:39. | |
successful prosecution. Speaking exclusively to Newsnight for the | :01:40. | :01:43. | |
first time since he retired Clive Driscoll says he believes there were | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
disruption tactics during his inquiry. He also claims that when he | :01:48. | :01:52. | |
was investigating child abuse that took place in the 1980s he was moved | :01:53. | :01:57. | |
from his post when he revealed suspect he is wanted to investigate | :01:58. | :02:02. | |
including politicians. Here is his story. | :02:03. | :02:16. | |
Getting to the truth few criminal cases have done more to test that | :02:17. | :02:22. | |
promise than Stephen Lawrence's murder. When truth was be a secured | :02:23. | :02:27. | |
by mistakes and fear, trust in the police fell away. Crimes they just | :02:28. | :02:36. | |
could not or would not resolve. The detective who convicted Lawrence's | :02:37. | :02:41. | |
killers is now ready to reveal how obstacles were put in the way of his | :02:42. | :02:49. | |
investigations. Some people did not want a successful prosecution. | :02:50. | :02:56. | |
Tonight I tells us how in that case and his inquiry into child abuse in | :02:57. | :03:02. | |
1980s Lambeth, barriers, even politics, appeared. At the time I | :03:03. | :03:08. | |
just felt that it was all too uncomfortable to a lot of people. In | :03:09. | :03:16. | |
these most contentious of cases has truth been a victim too? | :03:17. | :03:23. | |
Clive Driscoll worked for the Met for more than three decades until | :03:24. | :03:28. | |
just a few weeks ago, his detective work led finally to the successful | :03:29. | :03:32. | |
convictions of Stephen Lawrence's killers. What he describes as his | :03:33. | :03:38. | |
for that politically-charged case was perhaps just as contentious. At | :03:39. | :03:42. | |
that time the detective's involvement had a very different | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
autooutcome. In 1998 he worked in child protection and was moved to | :03:47. | :03:50. | |
investigate allegations of child abuse in children's homes in Lambeth | :03:51. | :03:54. | |
in south London, alleged to have taken place in the 1980s. But his | :03:55. | :04:00. | |
lines of inquiry quickly proved just too awkward. There was a mistrust on | :04:01. | :04:06. | |
both sides. It appeared that certainly that people didn't trust | :04:07. | :04:10. | |
the Metropolitan Police Service and I think the Metropolitan Police | :04:11. | :04:14. | |
Service possibly didn't trust some of the people it was working with. A | :04:15. | :04:17. | |
bit like young Stephen's investigation, I never felt there | :04:18. | :04:20. | |
was wall of silence, but whenever people spoke to you and shared their | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
fears and their story about what they had seen, it was almost on a | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
proviso that they wouldn't make a statement and that they would be | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
scared if you released who those people were that were talking for | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
fear of reprisals. It was a very, very difficult climate for people to | :04:38. | :04:42. | |
come forward in. But, very bravely, in my opinion, they did come | :04:43. | :04:46. | |
forward, and I passed the names on that had been passed to me as | :04:47. | :04:52. | |
potential suspects. When he revealed those names, including politicians | :04:53. | :04:57. | |
at a case meeting he was taken off the investigation and subjected to a | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
disciplinary. After discussing internally with the Metropolitan | :05:03. | :05:07. | |
Police Service whether or not I should release certain information | :05:08. | :05:10. | |
to Lambeth Council, which I hadn't done up until then, it was agreed by | :05:11. | :05:19. | |
my senior management team that That is That is what -- that is what I | :05:20. | :05:28. | |
should do. And I disclosed suspects' names and I was informed that was | :05:29. | :05:33. | |
inappropriate and I would be moved from my post. That information | :05:34. | :05:37. | |
included politicians' names as potential suspects? There was | :05:38. | :05:40. | |
actually a mix. There were certainly some of the names of people that | :05:41. | :05:45. | |
were locally working, some people that were, if you like, working | :05:46. | :05:49. | |
nationally, but there was quite a mix really, because of, it appeared | :05:50. | :05:55. | |
that it was connected to other boroughs and other movements around | :05:56. | :06:00. | |
the country. To be clear, when you say a mix, you mean some local | :06:01. | :06:04. | |
political figures? Yeah, correct. And MPs? That's correct, yeah. Do | :06:05. | :06:09. | |
you fear that you were stopped from investigating those claims because | :06:10. | :06:12. | |
you suspected more than one politician of being involved in | :06:13. | :06:19. | |
child abuse? At the time I just felt that it was all too uncomfortable to | :06:20. | :06:25. | |
a lot of people. After Clive Driscoll moved, investigations | :06:26. | :06:28. | |
continued to look at more than 20 children's homes and are still on | :06:29. | :06:32. | |
going. There have been several convictions, the Met is now looking | :06:33. | :06:35. | |
into his claims concerning his removal from the investigation and | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
have called him to a meeting in Scotland Yard this week. Stephen ran | :06:40. | :06:46. | |
crossing the road and he ran and eventually died up on the right-hand | :06:47. | :06:51. | |
side of the road there. That experience made Clive Driscoll more | :06:52. | :06:54. | |
determined to pursue the truth, ultimately in the Lawrence case, | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
equally controversial. The Met's initial flawed attempts to find his | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
killers in the weeks that followed his death got nowhere. We are in a | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
position today where we have an opportunity to learn and we have an | :07:07. | :07:10. | |
opportunity to maybe put right some of the wrongs that have come out in | :07:11. | :07:15. | |
recent times. There was no doubt that there were mistakes made in | :07:16. | :07:20. | |
this decision. There was much debate about whether those mistakes were | :07:21. | :07:24. | |
corruption mistakes or incompetent mistakes. Prosecutors then didn't | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
find enough evidence to charge anyone the family's own private | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
attempts to prosecute collapsed. Despite in 1999 a major inquiry, | :07:34. | :07:38. | |
where suspects had to give evidence, and the first investigation was | :07:39. | :07:44. | |
found to be flawed, in 2004 again the CPS ruled out another trial. In | :07:45. | :07:50. | |
your view were most of the mistakes down to competence, or was there | :07:51. | :07:55. | |
something more sinister? The difference betwe incompetence and | :07:56. | :07:59. | |
corruption is a bit like a bad tackle in football. The person who | :08:00. | :08:01. | |
knows is the person who made the tackle. I can be incompetent all day | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
long if you want. What was your sense? My sense was I couldn't work | :08:07. | :08:12. | |
certain things out. There was certain incidents and inquires that | :08:13. | :08:17. | |
didn't appear to be progressed. There were certain parts of the | :08:18. | :08:20. | |
investigation that really didn't make any sense to me at all. But I | :08:21. | :08:27. | |
never investigated whether that was corruption or incompetence. In 2005 | :08:28. | :08:32. | |
the Government changed the law. It was now possible to try suspects for | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
the same crime twice. Clive Driscoll was put in charge, after years of | :08:38. | :08:41. | |
disappointment he first had to persuade the Lawrences and the key | :08:42. | :08:48. | |
witness, Stephen's friend, Dwayne Brooks to trust and confide in him. | :08:49. | :08:56. | |
It is your deeply-held belief that there were people at senior levels | :08:57. | :09:00. | |
in the Met that were almost hoping this investigation would fail. You | :09:01. | :09:04. | |
felt that pressure? There were certainly people in senior levels in | :09:05. | :09:08. | |
the Met that weren't enthusiastic about the investigation, I certainly | :09:09. | :09:12. | |
felt that. You know, as I have said before, it is a very serious | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
allegation to make and I don't have evidence that I could present to any | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
tribunal for that. It is certainly what I felt was that people in | :09:22. | :09:27. | |
places I would have expected to have had the enthusiasm didn't. And you | :09:28. | :09:31. | |
were so concerned about that you even made that complaint to senior | :09:32. | :09:37. | |
officers? I actually did send an e-mail to senior officers explaining | :09:38. | :09:43. | |
that I felt that it could be seen, if somebody came behind and actually | :09:44. | :09:47. | |
looked at what was going on, I think they would probably see it as a | :09:48. | :09:52. | |
disruption tactic. So yes, I did put that in writing. David Norris and | :09:53. | :10:00. | |
Gary Dobson were convicted of murder. But still the handling of | :10:01. | :10:04. | |
the original case continued to challenge the Met's reputation. This | :10:05. | :10:10. | |
year an independent review found failures and reasonable grounds to | :10:11. | :10:17. | |
suspect corruption. That inquiry asked the met for full disclosure, | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
even then Clive Driscoll says there were discussions about handing | :10:22. | :10:26. | |
everything over. Including a document on covert recording of key | :10:27. | :10:35. | |
witness Dwyane Brooks. He have been told of incidents where senior | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
officers were accused of holding back documents? That's correct. I | :10:41. | :10:44. | |
would urge them to think about that and think about it and I would urge | :10:45. | :10:47. | |
them to think about it was the Home Secretary and the Home Secretary and | :10:48. | :10:50. | |
the mayor have every right to know what we are doing. You know that | :10:51. | :10:54. | |
very senior officers discussed holding back some documents with | :10:55. | :11:00. | |
lawyers? You could call it a culture, it could be just a mind set | :11:01. | :11:04. | |
that you have to defend the Metropolitan Police. That is the | :11:05. | :11:08. | |
only reason you have a lawyer there, to defend, well you don't have to | :11:09. | :11:11. | |
defend the Metropolitan Police Service, if the Home Secretary or | :11:12. | :11:14. | |
the mayor ask for something, well you give it to them. But one bad | :11:15. | :11:22. | |
decision around disclosure undoes the remarkable work that police | :11:23. | :11:25. | |
officers do up and down the country. And for me, just be open and honest, | :11:26. | :11:33. | |
warts and all. The Met told us no relevant material was intentionally | :11:34. | :11:37. | |
withheld, their policy was to be open and transparent, and they are | :11:38. | :11:45. | |
still committed to continuing the Lawrence investigation. Doreen | :11:46. | :11:48. | |
Lawrence still speaks to Clive Driscoll most days. She has little | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
contact with the rest of the Met. He says the relationship is as bad as | :11:53. | :11:57. | |
just after Stephen's death. Although he believes there could yet be more | :11:58. | :12:03. | |
convictions. If you were the Lawrence family would you trust the | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
Met? If I was the Lawrence family, no I probably wouldn't. How do you | :12:09. | :12:12. | |
feel about that given the years of hard work, effort, struggle almost, | :12:13. | :12:18. | |
first of all to win their trust, and then to finally prosecute the case? | :12:19. | :12:22. | |
I actually feel desperately sorry for them. I think that they have | :12:23. | :12:29. | |
lost their son, let's never forget, that they lost a much-loved son, it | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
is almost like reliving the trauma of that. For Driscoll the priority | :12:34. | :12:41. | |
for the police past and present must now be complete and total openness, | :12:42. | :12:46. | |
after the Lawrence case tore trust away, suspicions is the only path to | :12:47. | :12:54. | |
go. Before you said you weren't sure if it was incompetence or corruption | :12:55. | :12:56. | |
in the early investigation. What does corruption look like? A | :12:57. | :13:03. | |
question I have asked myself many times, what is corruption? Is it | :13:04. | :13:07. | |
going behind a pub somewhere and getting an envelope of ?50 notes, or | :13:08. | :13:11. | |
is corruption that you don't go down a certain path, you don't follow a | :13:12. | :13:16. | |
certain inquiry and therefore you make someone very happy that you | :13:17. | :13:20. | |
haven't followed that inquiry, therefore your next promotion is | :13:21. | :13:25. | |
easier for you, your CV looks a bit more glamorous. By the time you | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
finish your career and at the end of your pension you could have earned | :13:30. | :13:33. | |
considerably more than what you would ever stuff in an envelope, so | :13:34. | :13:39. | |
what is corruption? My concern is that the result for the grieving | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
family or the victim or for justice is exactly the same, is that justice | :13:45. | :13:50. | |
has been thwarted, and that can't happen at any cost, because the | :13:51. | :13:53. | |
reality is that is the rule of law, it is part of our freedom. Dwyane | :13:54. | :14:02. | |
Brooks who we saw in the film is with us tonight. Thank you very much | :14:03. | :14:04. | |
for coming in. You would be forgiven, with everything that | :14:05. | :14:07. | |
happened with the Met for not trusting them at all, what was it | :14:08. | :14:11. | |
about Clive Driscoll when he took over the case that was different? | :14:12. | :14:18. | |
Clive just comes across as a very honest person, down to earth, south | :14:19. | :14:24. | |
London person. Bit of Cockney, every now and again in his language. For | :14:25. | :14:29. | |
me he was just completely different from all the other officers that I | :14:30. | :14:34. | |
had dealt with. I gave him a chance. He said to me, Duwayno I can crack | :14:35. | :14:45. | |
this case! I thought let's give him a go. Did you believe him? No, I | :14:46. | :14:52. | |
didn't believe him. But he made a tremendous amount of effort to | :14:53. | :14:56. | |
convince me that it could be done. I had no other choice but to trust | :14:57. | :15:04. | |
him. And Clive and his team came through. When he did come through | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
and there were successful convictions in the end, what were | :15:10. | :15:17. | |
your feelings and the Lawrence family's feelings about this? I felt | :15:18. | :15:21. | |
that the Met should have come out and said well done Clive and Peter | :15:22. | :15:25. | |
and members of the team, well done. You have done something that nobody | :15:26. | :15:32. | |
else thought was possible, but it didn't happen. I'm still baffled as | :15:33. | :15:36. | |
to why senior members of the Metropolitan Police haven't come out | :15:37. | :15:41. | |
and said thank you to Clive and his team. Why do you think that might | :15:42. | :15:45. | |
be? We have seen from the clip why it could be. Because there were | :15:46. | :15:49. | |
senior officers in the Met who just did not want there to be a | :15:50. | :15:56. | |
conviction in this case. You felt that too? Along the way, yes, up | :15:57. | :16:01. | |
until Clive got involved. Once life was involved the communication we | :16:02. | :16:10. | |
had was constant he kept kept me up-to-date about the issues and what | :16:11. | :16:13. | |
had was constant he kept kept me he needed to do. For me it was just | :16:14. | :16:16. | |
a matter of time. As we saw we had two convictions. The Met would say | :16:17. | :16:19. | |
they were always committed to the investigation, they were always | :16:20. | :16:22. | |
committed to trying to get convictions, but now Clive has | :16:23. | :16:29. | |
retired, just a matter of weeks ago, do you believe there is still a | :16:30. | :16:32. | |
prospect of there being more convictions in the case? Without | :16:33. | :16:36. | |
Clive leading a team, no. I don't think it is possible. All the work | :16:37. | :16:42. | |
that Clive and his team have done over the past seven, eight years, it | :16:43. | :16:47. | |
will all be lost. It is all going to be lost? I don't think the officers | :16:48. | :16:52. | |
who have taken over now are in the same league as Clive and his | :16:53. | :16:55. | |
previous team, I don't think they have got the leadership or | :16:56. | :16:58. | |
communication skills. On communication, do you talk to them? | :16:59. | :17:00. | |
Would you talk to them? I communication, do you talk to them? | :17:01. | :17:08. | |
spoken to any of the new team at the moment. When I speak | :17:09. | :17:15. | |
spoken to any of the new team at the see everybody who was involved | :17:16. | :17:22. | |
convicted. Would I be able to trustn them, I don't know. Why not? Because | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
the way Clive would have been treated, is not how I would expect | :17:28. | :17:36. | |
the Metropolitan Police to trust a person who has got a conviction when | :17:37. | :17:42. | |
anybody else could. Clive is leaving for retirement and in perfectly | :17:43. | :17:46. | |
reasonable conditions and nothing improper has gone in any way. Do you | :17:47. | :17:50. | |
feel you would ever have been able to trust the force again, without | :17:51. | :17:54. | |
him you have said you wouldn't? In relation to the Lawrence case it | :17:55. | :17:57. | |
would be difficult for me to trust officers coming in now, because of | :17:58. | :18:00. | |
the way Clive has been treated. But if we were talking about the | :18:01. | :18:03. | |
Metropolitan Police on the whole, well of course I trust them. We have | :18:04. | :18:08. | |
thousands and thousands of rank and file officers that do a great job | :18:09. | :18:12. | |
day in and day out and they protect us all in this fabulous city. In the | :18:13. | :18:16. | |
Lawrence case it is a bit different from generally the Metropolitan | :18:17. | :18:19. | |
Police who I do support, who I do trust. What do you feel about | :18:20. | :18:23. | |
documents, including those relating to you being bugged during those | :18:24. | :18:28. | |
early days of the inquiry. How do you feel about those being withheld, | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
the Met says absolutely not intentionally, what do you feel | :18:34. | :18:36. | |
about that? Saddened, but I'm not surprised. But it is astonishing | :18:37. | :18:42. | |
that the Home Secretary can order an inquiry, order the Met to disclose | :18:43. | :18:48. | |
all relevant information and the Met take legal advice and do the | :18:49. | :18:51. | |
opposite. So we have heard in that piece that the Met say they are | :18:52. | :18:54. | |
open, they want to be transparent, fine, let's be transparent. Publish | :18:55. | :19:00. | |
the legal advice tomorrow. Let's see how transparent the Met really are. | :19:01. | :19:05. | |
The Met says it is still committed to this investigation, they have | :19:06. | :19:08. | |
still got resources on it, they have got that new team they talked about, | :19:09. | :19:13. | |
do you believe they are committed to it? You are not talking to them yet? | :19:14. | :19:18. | |
I haven't seen any evidence of that. So at the moment in time I don't | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
believe so. The only evidence I have seen around this investigation is | :19:24. | :19:26. | |
the way they have treated Clive Driscoll and his team, a team that | :19:27. | :19:31. | |
secured a conviction that we all believed wasn't possible. Briefly, | :19:32. | :19:37. | |
how often, how much do you still think about what happened all those | :19:38. | :19:43. | |
years ago? It will stay with me forever. It was a night that I | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
wished didn't happen. If I had the chance to turn back time of course, | :19:48. | :19:51. | |
I would turn back time and make different decisions on that night, | :19:52. | :19:55. | |
but it has happened, we have to move on, we have to be successful. To | :19:56. | :20:00. | |
show that even though you do have bad times in your life you can move | :20:01. | :20:04. | |
on and be successful, so I have been trying to do that. But also the | :20:05. | :20:10. | |
message needs to go out to other victims of crime that even though | :20:11. | :20:14. | |
things may be hard, at the end of the day justice is still possible. | :20:15. | :20:19. | |
Thank you very much for coming in and talking to us tonight. | :20:20. | :20:23. | |
Reshuffles are the equivalent of tacking up a couple of new pictures | :20:24. | :20:27. | |
on the walls of the Cabinet Room. Others moving a couple of shares an. | :20:28. | :20:31. | |
This time well there has been proper heavy lifting. David Cameron has | :20:32. | :20:34. | |
striped two of his biggest and brightest names of the full comfort | :20:35. | :20:40. | |
of a full season cabinet, he's a modest number of women into the | :20:41. | :20:48. | |
room, sent a relative unknown into Europe to represent our interests, | :20:49. | :20:54. | |
and finally put one of his most devisive colleagues in charge of, | :20:55. | :20:57. | |
wait for it, team work. You may wonder what the Government will do | :20:58. | :21:02. | |
differently, very much? It took eight hours to carry out, eight | :21:03. | :21:06. | |
hours you don't have, so here is Newsnight's eight things you need to | :21:07. | :21:11. | |
know about the reshuffle. # Every day I'm shuffling | :21:12. | :21:15. | |
So first thing this morning one of those oldies explained David | :21:16. | :21:19. | |
Cameron's strategy. He doesn't have many reshuffles which is a very good | :21:20. | :21:23. | |
thing. And then he wants a reshuffle which gives a Government which looks | :21:24. | :21:27. | |
like the sort of Government he wants in the next parliament. Who does | :21:28. | :21:33. | |
that mean in practice. Chances are if you are male, pale and a | :21:34. | :21:37. | |
middle-aged Tory minister then yesterday afternoon you were asked | :21:38. | :21:40. | |
to David Cameron's private study in parliament over there and asked if | :21:41. | :21:43. | |
you want to retire. If you didn't want to retire you would have been | :21:44. | :21:47. | |
retired in time for Newsnight last night when we got a slew of | :21:48. | :21:50. | |
resignations from the Government. This morning Newsnight was up with | :21:51. | :21:53. | |
the lark to find out who the lucky ones are, including the chap who has | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
walked behind me, the new Welsh Secretary. The guys who walk through | :21:59. | :22:01. | |
the door today are who the Tory Party think are the face of modern | :22:02. | :22:09. | |
Britain. Average outgoing age 48, in coming 32. He wasn't lucky, the | :22:10. | :22:16. | |
biggest jobs went to men, Philip Hammond, Foreign Secretary. The | :22:17. | :22:20. | |
number of women attending cabinet today nearly doubled from five to | :22:21. | :22:25. | |
eight, new roles for women in education and environment. But we | :22:26. | :22:28. | |
have been told it would rain women in this reshuffle and in the end it | :22:29. | :22:32. | |
was more of a light shower. No female Defence Secretary for | :22:33. | :22:35. | |
instance, Esther McVey had been tipped for a full blown cabinet | :22:36. | :22:40. | |
post, in the end she said stayed in her current job and got added | :22:41. | :22:46. | |
permission to attend cabinet. Stow stow Tina Stowell is the leader of | :22:47. | :22:50. | |
the Lords, but not a full blown cabinet minister, strange. David | :22:51. | :22:53. | |
Cameron once criticised people, to put it mildly, for tweeting too | :22:54. | :22:57. | |
much, but today every appointment came on Twitter. One tweet shocked | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
everyone. The news that all of us here are digesting is that Michael | :23:03. | :23:05. | |
Gove is being moved from his position as Education Secretary to | :23:06. | :23:09. | |
become Chief Whip, which is something that nobody expected. | :23:10. | :23:14. | |
After 30 years of friendship the Prime Minister removed Michael Gove | :23:15. | :23:19. | |
from his job and vocation. That's fantastic, this is the very hungry | :23:20. | :23:25. | |
catterpillar. Cameron's pollsters decided he was too unpopular with | :23:26. | :23:29. | |
teachers, and the zeal that landed the Cameron Government its radical | :23:30. | :23:34. | |
chick was now a problem. As whip's central to the next campaign, but | :23:35. | :23:37. | |
colleagues told Newsnight he feels very bruised. Spin was also a winner | :23:38. | :23:43. | |
today, Esther McVey, William Hague, Michael Gove and Grant Shapps, who | :23:44. | :23:48. | |
stays as chairman, these people are all in jobs not purely frontline | :23:49. | :23:51. | |
politics, but communicating the Tory vision. I'm flattered to be asked by | :23:52. | :23:55. | |
the Prime Minister to be at the heart of his team, deciding on the | :23:56. | :24:00. | |
people, the ideas and the policies shaping not just the next nine | :24:01. | :24:03. | |
months but we hope the next Conservative Government. The Prime | :24:04. | :24:05. | |
Minister has asked me to make sure we have the team in place and the | :24:06. | :24:09. | |
ideas in place to ensure that the long-term economic plan, which is | :24:10. | :24:13. | |
now at last generating economic growth can benefit everyone in the | :24:14. | :24:16. | |
country. This reshuffle didn't really have a bias, the cabinet did | :24:17. | :24:21. | |
lose big right-wing hitters, but the wider Government saw many on the | :24:22. | :24:25. | |
right promoted. Instead the Tories seem to be pressing pause on all of | :24:26. | :24:31. | |
policy. Today we learned Lord Hill is the Prime Minister's choice to be | :24:32. | :24:36. | |
our EU Commissioner. Nigel Farage was quick to ask Lord who? But there | :24:37. | :24:40. | |
was substantial movement today on Europe. We have a more euro-sceptic | :24:41. | :24:46. | |
cabinet on that sending a signal both to voters here at home but also | :24:47. | :24:50. | |
to Europe that Cameron is serious now, this is getting real it is also | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
laying the ground work for the big renegotiation that is meant to take | :24:56. | :24:59. | |
place ahead of that potential 2017 referendum. The Chancellor's | :25:00. | :25:07. | |
tentacles tightened their grip on Government. George Osborne's former | :25:08. | :25:10. | |
aide Clare Perry, pretending to be a train, she went to transport, one of | :25:11. | :25:15. | |
many promoted, all potentially readying George Osborne for a | :25:16. | :25:18. | |
leadership bit in 2018. That is a long time away. Tonight David | :25:19. | :25:22. | |
Cameron's last reshuffle before the 2015 election is done, and the great | :25:23. | :25:26. | |
offices of Whitehall have become glorified election campaign | :25:27. | :25:32. | |
headquarters. Our political editor is with us now, Allegra what does | :25:33. | :25:36. | |
this all mean the Government will actually do differently in the next | :25:37. | :25:39. | |
ten months? I don't think they are going to do very much in the next | :25:40. | :25:42. | |
ten months. They will look different, so we have this massive | :25:43. | :25:46. | |
change of people coming on programmes like our's. So they will | :25:47. | :25:50. | |
look given. Different. There will be a lot of manifesto pledge, we will | :25:51. | :25:53. | |
get what they would like to do the other side of a general election. In | :25:54. | :25:57. | |
terms of what they will actually do, it won't be very much. Michael Gove | :25:58. | :26:02. | |
has been embarrassingly nothing at all, for no reason the change. What | :26:03. | :26:06. | |
really happened there? Michael Gove is still in a team with colleagues, | :26:07. | :26:10. | |
he's still David Cameron's friend of 30 years and George Osborne's friend | :26:11. | :26:15. | |
of a long time, but what actually happened we believe he was happy to | :26:16. | :26:19. | |
go to it because he wanted to pull together, but the idea that this | :26:20. | :26:24. | |
radical idealogue, whatever you want to call him, was happy to be moved, | :26:25. | :26:28. | |
is far fetched, I know from colleagues he feels bruised this | :26:29. | :26:31. | |
evening. What we will be look to go see in the next couple of days is | :26:32. | :26:34. | |
quite whether he manages to keep a lid on it. It would be a first in | :26:35. | :26:40. | |
politics, somebody happy to be demoted. Descriptions of Michael | :26:41. | :26:44. | |
Gove range very far and wide, as Education Secretary he will be | :26:45. | :26:48. | |
thanked by generations to come for his radical reforms. A demented | :26:49. | :26:52. | |
Dalek trying to change the teaching profession, or a charming bully who | :26:53. | :26:57. | |
lost out for overstepping the mark too many times. Whatever you think, | :26:58. | :27:01. | |
and he's still Chief Whip, he has never committed the ultimate faux | :27:02. | :27:13. | |
pas, being dull! Will his reforms really last? | :27:14. | :27:16. | |
The teaching unions don't always reflect the views of their members, | :27:17. | :27:19. | |
but when it came to Michael Gove, the former Education Secretary, they | :27:20. | :27:25. | |
did. In general teachers wanted rid of him, and today they got their | :27:26. | :27:29. | |
wish. He's not even a Secretary of State any more. A lot of teachers | :27:30. | :27:38. | |
have been celebrating today. So this reshuffle will be seen as wane for | :27:39. | :27:45. | |
the educationalists who oppose Mr Gove's reform, often bbed "the | :27:46. | :27:54. | |
blob". Should they be celebrating? Let's see what he Z his first move | :27:55. | :27:58. | |
was the introduction of converter academies, more than half of | :27:59. | :28:02. | |
secondary schools took part in the programme. It meant for those | :28:03. | :28:05. | |
schools instead of being funded by and overseen by local authorities, | :28:06. | :28:08. | |
they were instead directly answerable to the Department for | :28:09. | :28:11. | |
Education. They also got a lot more freedom over their teachers' pay and | :28:12. | :28:16. | |
the curriculum, that gave them the ability to depart from national | :28:17. | :28:20. | |
norms when it came to hiring and what they chose to teach. | :28:21. | :28:24. | |
The second of his big policies was the introduction of so called free | :28:25. | :28:29. | |
school, he introduced a presumption that new schools should be opened by | :28:30. | :28:34. | |
private groups, rather than by local authorities. The idea was that | :28:35. | :28:37. | |
rather than having the same old people running schools, you will get | :28:38. | :28:42. | |
dynamism and choice and competition by allowing new providers into the | :28:43. | :28:49. | |
schools' market place. Michael Gove also tried to reform what was being | :28:50. | :28:54. | |
taught inside schools, he tweaked the cirriculum to put more emphasis | :28:55. | :28:58. | |
on knowledge and less on skills. He changed the structure of exams so | :28:59. | :29:03. | |
there was less course work and more so called linear exams, that is old | :29:04. | :29:08. | |
fashioned exams at the end of the course. Many of the ideas are long | :29:09. | :29:11. | |
in the tooth. For the last four years in education it has been a | :29:12. | :29:15. | |
period of enormous change, many of the changes are changes that are | :29:16. | :29:21. | |
really accelrate rating change -- accelerating change and processes | :29:22. | :29:25. | |
already in place, especially new types of schools, academies, | :29:26. | :29:29. | |
converters and free schools, moving power to schools. Not only did Mr | :29:30. | :29:34. | |
Gove's opponents fail to stop the reform which is have weakened local | :29:35. | :29:37. | |
authorities and union, but they have been losing for decades. One novelty | :29:38. | :29:42. | |
is in his hurry Mr Gove accrued a lot of power to the Department for | :29:43. | :29:47. | |
Education. Perhaps the contradictions, public and private, | :29:48. | :29:52. | |
have become overwhelming. Public in terms of preaching that there should | :29:53. | :29:55. | |
be complete autonomy for schools, and then imposing from the | :29:56. | :30:00. | |
department and other agencies absolute direction from the centre | :30:01. | :30:04. | |
personally, because when you talk to him in private he's both charming | :30:05. | :30:10. | |
and prepared to listen. But in public he appears beligerant and | :30:11. | :30:16. | |
unprepared to listen. It seems that the oversight of schools will change | :30:17. | :30:21. | |
in the coming years, but there is no support for less school autonomy, | :30:22. | :30:30. | |
and high-content curriculums are current teaching fashion. A recent | :30:31. | :30:34. | |
poll found he was the Tory politician most disliked by members | :30:35. | :30:37. | |
of the public. Perhaps his approach to people who disagree with him is | :30:38. | :30:41. | |
something to do with it. What I can tell you is that outstanding | :30:42. | :30:46. | |
teachers and outstanding head teachers are I find overwhelmily in | :30:47. | :30:51. | |
favour of what we are doing. It is the bad ones that don't get it? Yes. | :30:52. | :30:56. | |
Maybe he needs to learn that even if you are winning against the blob, | :30:57. | :31:02. | |
you didn't do everything alone. We did invite the Government's new | :31:03. | :31:06. | |
Chief Whip and the man David Cameron says has an enhanced role doing | :31:07. | :31:12. | |
broadcast interviews, to come on Newsnight again, for a broadcast | :31:13. | :31:16. | |
interview tonight, he was unavailable, nor was any other | :31:17. | :31:20. | |
Conservative cabinet minister able to come on. Rather than leave the | :31:21. | :31:25. | |
chair empty, fortunately Labour's Shadow educational secretary is | :31:26. | :31:30. | |
here. Were you shocked that your opposite number was out? I got the | :31:31. | :31:34. | |
sense that the Education Secretary had rather run out of road in recent | :31:35. | :31:39. | |
months. What we saw was David Cameron realising what pupils and | :31:40. | :31:41. | |
parents and teachers have realised is that Government education policy | :31:42. | :31:45. | |
is damaging school standard. So whether it was unqualified teachers, | :31:46. | :31:50. | |
whether it was taking money from the schools' budget for free schools. | :31:51. | :31:55. | |
Whether it was downgrading technical and vocational skills, all of this | :31:56. | :31:59. | |
was affecting the Government popularity and finally the Prime | :32:00. | :32:02. | |
Minister acted. It was really his very public spat with Theresa May | :32:03. | :32:08. | |
and politicking around Take That got rid of him? That played a part, but | :32:09. | :32:13. | |
also what we need to realise tonight and my message tonight is the | :32:14. | :32:16. | |
architect might have gone but the ideology remains n terms of an | :32:17. | :32:22. | |
atomised schools system, and focus on unqualified teachers the | :32:23. | :32:26. | |
classroom. All of these things remain Government policy even with | :32:27. | :32:29. | |
Michael Gove moving on. Most of them in their origin were actually new | :32:30. | :32:35. | |
Labour ideas? The academy programme was a new Labour programme, school | :32:36. | :32:39. | |
autonomy was a new Labour programme. When Michael Gove built on those | :32:40. | :32:43. | |
issues in the early years was fine. We are only in year four? You saw in | :32:44. | :32:48. | |
the last interview, maybe it is what happens to a Secretary of State, but | :32:49. | :32:52. | |
he became more ideolgical and antagonistic and more devisive, we | :32:53. | :32:57. | |
didn't take the teaching profession with him. If you want real | :32:58. | :33:00. | |
sustainable change over time, the people delivering that in the | :33:01. | :33:05. | |
classroom are the teachers f you antagonise them so much you won't be | :33:06. | :33:09. | |
able to make the changes you want, whether knowledge-rich curriculum or | :33:10. | :33:14. | |
linear exams or the other elements. For teachers and parents watching up | :33:15. | :33:16. | |
and down the country, it is really about the changes he wanted to make, | :33:17. | :33:20. | |
not whether or not he wound people up with how he made them. You said | :33:21. | :33:26. | |
yourself in certain situations his reforms build rather successfully on | :33:27. | :33:31. | |
Labour Party policy? I think there is now a growing consensus about the | :33:32. | :33:36. | |
need for autonomous schools, strong leadership. Where we differ from the | :33:37. | :33:39. | |
Government is we think schools should be co-operating, challenging | :33:40. | :33:44. | |
and partnering each other. We have a Government that likes to think of | :33:45. | :33:47. | |
schools in isolation. We saw the results of that law in Birmingham FA | :33:48. | :33:50. | |
want to think about a symbol of results of that law in Birmingham FA | :33:51. | :33:55. | |
atomised, fragmented education system, you have to look at | :33:56. | :34:01. | |
atomised, fragmented education events in Birmingham. The big | :34:02. | :34:04. | |
principles and the reasons why some people might think about choosing | :34:05. | :34:06. | |
Labour rather than voting Conservative, is because they didn't | :34:07. | :34:09. | |
like the sound of what Michael Gove was doing. In fact, you would not | :34:10. | :34:15. | |
get rid of existing free schools, you support performance-related pay | :34:16. | :34:19. | |
that is one of the things so contentious with the unions. On the | :34:20. | :34:25. | |
big principles you agree? The biggest difference between us is we | :34:26. | :34:31. | |
know that the most important element in a young person's education is the | :34:32. | :34:35. | |
quality of teaching. In this Government we have focus on | :34:36. | :34:38. | |
relentless structural reform, as if changing the name of a school to a | :34:39. | :34:42. | |
free school or academy does the job, it doesn't. The most important | :34:43. | :34:46. | |
element is improving the teaching and leadership in the school. That | :34:47. | :34:49. | |
is a big policy difference. This Government has let more and more | :34:50. | :34:52. | |
unqualified teachers into our classrooms. It has downgraded the | :34:53. | :34:57. | |
teaching profession and the best education systems around the world | :34:58. | :35:01. | |
has have qualified masters level teachers. You know the vast majority | :35:02. | :35:05. | |
of teachers in classm radios right now, in new schools as a product of | :35:06. | :35:09. | |
Michael Gove's reforms are still qualified teachers, and the | :35:10. | :35:12. | |
important point for our viewers and parents around the country tonight, | :35:13. | :35:16. | |
would you not get rid of existing free schools and you support | :35:17. | :35:20. | |
performance-related pay, the things that Michael Gove had such trouble | :35:21. | :35:23. | |
convincing the teaching profession of, and you wouldn't get rid of | :35:24. | :35:27. | |
either of those things? We are not interested in simply change for | :35:28. | :35:31. | |
change's sake. We see a lot of grandstanding and party politicking. | :35:32. | :35:37. | |
We will keep the reforms that are sensible, we won't throw things up | :35:38. | :35:42. | |
in terms of curriculum. We will focus crucially on the forgotten 50% | :35:43. | :35:47. | |
of young people who want to pursue technical and vocational pathways. | :35:48. | :35:50. | |
We will focus on teacher quality and rebuild local oversight and | :35:51. | :35:53. | |
accountability. Thank you very much for coming in. To discuss the events | :35:54. | :35:57. | |
of the day, not just Michael Gove's departure is my guest, a columnist | :35:58. | :36:03. | |
for the Times and the Guardian are both here. Thank you for coming in. | :36:04. | :36:08. | |
You made it your stock and trade to know what is really going on in the | :36:09. | :36:11. | |
Conservative minds. What really happened with Michael Gove, was he | :36:12. | :36:15. | |
shoved out uncermoniously, he's going around saying he's pleased | :36:16. | :36:19. | |
with his new job, are we to believe him? He didn't want to go and leave | :36:20. | :36:23. | |
this position. But the Conservative Party has admired what Michael Gove | :36:24. | :36:27. | |
has tried to do. He has been perhaps one of the great education reformers | :36:28. | :36:32. | |
of the in the post-war years. He has tried to tackle the fact that the | :36:33. | :36:37. | |
British taxpayer puts more and more money into education and hasn't been | :36:38. | :36:40. | |
keeping one the rest of the world. His reforms matter. Sometimes the | :36:41. | :36:45. | |
person building the house or invents the product is not the best person | :36:46. | :36:49. | |
to sell that product. And Linton Crosby, the Australian adviser to | :36:50. | :36:52. | |
the Prime Minister saw the opinion polls and this was not a popular | :36:53. | :36:55. | |
Education Secretary. If you are going to win an election you can't | :36:56. | :36:59. | |
have an Education Secretary that seems to be antagonising, not just | :37:00. | :37:05. | |
teachers but parents as well. The mums in particular, the women who | :37:06. | :37:12. | |
haven't always supported the Conservative Party. And Nicky Morgan | :37:13. | :37:17. | |
is the David Cameron choice not to unwind the Michael Gove reforms but | :37:18. | :37:21. | |
to sell them. Does Nicky Morgan believe in the reform, some unkindly | :37:22. | :37:26. | |
have suggested she doesn't believe in very much, smart, efficient and | :37:27. | :37:29. | |
pragmatic, can you tell us what she believes in? I think she's someone | :37:30. | :37:34. | |
who on the gay marriage issue she took a different position, she | :37:35. | :37:38. | |
opposed it and stood up to David Cameron, she wasn't just someone who | :37:39. | :37:41. | |
agrees with what the Prime Minister wants. She as an independent | :37:42. | :37:46. | |
thinker, but crucially will Gove's reforms survive? Look at the junior | :37:47. | :37:53. | |
ministers, Nick Gibb and others they are people who believe in reforms, | :37:54. | :37:56. | |
there is no great retreat. Polly what do you make of it? Jo I think | :37:57. | :38:06. | |
it is worth pausing for a moment for observers and commentators to think | :38:07. | :38:09. | |
how hellish political life is. You get to the top of the tree and get | :38:10. | :38:13. | |
stuck into something you care about passionately and suddenly you are | :38:14. | :38:16. | |
yanked out and gone forever. It happened to Andrew Lansley. It is a | :38:17. | :38:21. | |
better business. Is this you showing sympathy for Michael Gove? Yes, I | :38:22. | :38:26. | |
feel sympathy for politicians, I think sometimes as comment it aors | :38:27. | :38:30. | |
-- commentators, we say what we think about them, they come and go. | :38:31. | :38:36. | |
It is a rough, rough trade, in that sense I feel sorry for him. He said | :38:37. | :38:41. | |
it was a great wrench. On the other hand I think, as Tim was suggesting | :38:42. | :38:45. | |
i think he really had to go. Here is man who will pick a fight with | :38:46. | :38:51. | |
himself if you put him in an empty room. Partly because he was a | :38:52. | :38:57. | |
commentator at one time. Part of his job is to debate. He sees everything | :38:58. | :39:04. | |
in ideolgical terms, whatever the debate he is on one side and you are | :39:05. | :39:08. | |
on the other. He doesn't bring anyone along with him. What else | :39:09. | :39:12. | |
does the reshuffle bring, do you think this will fundamentally | :39:13. | :39:15. | |
reshape what the Government looks like and what the Conservative looks | :39:16. | :39:19. | |
like in the public mind or not really? Not radically, I think there | :39:20. | :39:22. | |
is two things that matter, the Conservative Party has moved in a | :39:23. | :39:25. | |
euro-sceptic direction, we have a Foreign Secretary who is prepared to | :39:26. | :39:29. | |
countenance leaving the European Union. That is new. This is another | :39:30. | :39:32. | |
ratchet to the Conservative Party moving in that way. The euro-sceptic | :39:33. | :39:37. | |
move is huge, if you think who we have lost, we have lost the | :39:38. | :39:42. | |
moderate, sensible wise heads, we have lost Keneth Clarke, Dominic | :39:43. | :39:47. | |
Grieve, Damien Green, the people who understand why Europe works and why | :39:48. | :39:50. | |
it matters to us. Instead we have a lot of much more abrasive, young | :39:51. | :39:55. | |
people who have been chosen by Conservative Parties who are deeply | :39:56. | :39:59. | |
euro-sceptic. This is a real shift towards Euro-scepticism. It may be | :40:00. | :40:05. | |
euro-sceptic for the Guardian but not the population. The Conservative | :40:06. | :40:08. | |
Party is in touch more with the public than it has ever been. I | :40:09. | :40:12. | |
don't think so, because when people are asked what they care about | :40:13. | :40:15. | |
Europe is right down the list? But they care about immigration and | :40:16. | :40:20. | |
issues that can only be solved. David Cameron was right saying we | :40:21. | :40:25. | |
mustn't bang on about it, we are in danger of having both sides banging | :40:26. | :40:29. | |
on. You said there was one other thing we should take note of? | :40:30. | :40:34. | |
Everyone is looking at the coming together from women in the party, | :40:35. | :40:39. | |
but it is Tories from a more modest background, it is the son of a | :40:40. | :40:43. | |
milkman, or the son of a single mother. That is the big problem, not | :40:44. | :40:46. | |
the gender problem, it is the sense that the Tories are the party of the | :40:47. | :40:54. | |
rich. It is only two more women and 2011 figures, it looks pretty much | :40:55. | :40:58. | |
the same, I doubt if it will make a huge amount of presentation or | :40:59. | :41:07. | |
difference. Poetry or paintings, the work of war artists can bring light | :41:08. | :41:12. | |
to the gloryies and horrors of war. When the grand exhibition halls of | :41:13. | :41:17. | |
the imperial war museum open in a couple of days after a major | :41:18. | :41:21. | |
renovation, with the stories of the first and Second World Wars, we will | :41:22. | :41:32. | |
be joined by a new tail, the British artist documenting the life of the | :41:33. | :41:35. | |
modern military. As an artist I work at the | :41:36. | :41:40. | |
intersection of art and documentary, engaging with working communities | :41:41. | :41:45. | |
facing difficult circumstances. I'm interested in exploring the social | :41:46. | :41:48. | |
function of art and asking one central question. How can films and | :41:49. | :41:53. | |
photographs impact upon the real world? In 2010 I was awarded a | :41:54. | :42:06. | |
two-month commission to work as a war artist in Helmand, Afghanistan. | :42:07. | :42:12. | |
It was commissioned by imperial war museum, and First Sight an arts | :42:13. | :42:17. | |
organisation. I was hosted by 16 air afault brigade, the largest in the | :42:18. | :42:21. | |
British Army, otherwise known as the Paras. It had never really occurred | :42:22. | :42:27. | |
to me to take work in the warzone before. It was inexperience that | :42:28. | :42:30. | |
changed my life in a very profound way. When the invitation to go to | :42:31. | :42:38. | |
Afghanistan came, it suddenly seemed relevant to my life and my | :42:39. | :42:42. | |
grandfather's life, I became very curious. My grandfather was captain | :42:43. | :42:47. | |
of a ship during World War II. He came back from four years at sea | :42:48. | :42:55. | |
suffering from what I now recognise as PTSD. After the war he took a lot | :42:56. | :43:00. | |
of amateur photographs, his perspective on life seemed to be | :43:01. | :43:05. | |
about lens. When I decided to make the commission, I wanted to move | :43:06. | :43:09. | |
away from the conventions of ne coverage that made us immune to feel | :43:10. | :43:14. | |
anything new about what is happening in Afghanistan. | :43:15. | :43:18. | |
In preparation to go to Helmand I attended a three-day course, a death | :43:19. | :43:25. | |
by power point, which retrospectively left me cold | :43:26. | :43:29. | |
thinking about living in a warzone. It became apparent, unlike previous | :43:30. | :43:34. | |
projects that allowed me an extraordinary collaboration with | :43:35. | :43:37. | |
local communities, it would not be possible in Helmand. The work talks | :43:38. | :43:44. | |
about this unspanable gulf. My desire to make work that gave the | :43:45. | :43:48. | |
locals a voice was frustrated on every level. This piece, Bolan | :43:49. | :43:54. | |
Market was filmed in an area previously part of Taliban-occupied | :43:55. | :43:59. | |
territory. It began to flourish under ISIS force, but there is a | :44:00. | :44:03. | |
complex relationship between the local population and the British | :44:04. | :44:07. | |
soldiers. I asked if I could get out of the tank and film. We were told | :44:08. | :44:10. | |
by the command I would be killed orchid napped within 20 minutes. | :44:11. | :44:13. | |
Whilst some of the locals are apparently untroubled by our | :44:14. | :44:20. | |
prosession, others are obviously feeling disturbed or angered by the | :44:21. | :44:24. | |
presence of the camera or tank. Which for some might be seeing a | :44:25. | :44:28. | |
spaceship land in Corby. I left the film mute in an attempt to | :44:29. | :44:33. | |
communicate the feel Iing had about being trapped in silent nightmare. | :44:34. | :44:56. | |
Before I left for Afghanistan I made backdrops for my work, based upon | :44:57. | :45:04. | |
images from previous conflicts. I chose paintings and photographs that | :45:05. | :45:08. | |
have a strong resonance or emotional charge, and make a blunt telescopic | :45:09. | :45:12. | |
connection between the past and what is happening today. How many times | :45:13. | :45:16. | |
have the Brits gone to war in Afghanistan, and has it ever worked | :45:17. | :45:23. | |
out well, for anyone In Helmand the patrols would last two or three | :45:24. | :45:27. | |
hours and often frightening, I was shot at. On one occasion there was a | :45:28. | :45:33. | |
massive explosion after two soldiers stepped on an improvised explosive | :45:34. | :45:39. | |
device, one lost his legs and the other blinded. During my time in | :45:40. | :45:43. | |
Helmand the soldiers were closing limbs every day, but these injuries | :45:44. | :45:49. | |
go largely unreported. The experience was profoundly affecting. | :45:50. | :45:53. | |
At first when I returned to the UK I felt invincible, everything to do | :45:54. | :45:57. | |
with life here seemed banal and meaningless, e-mails, supermarkets, | :45:58. | :46:02. | |
paying bills. I felt I no longer had any re connection to who I was | :46:03. | :46:08. | |
before I went to hell moneyed, and I have had -- Helmand, and I have had | :46:09. | :46:13. | |
to remain embedded and carry the work alone until the public dissell | :46:14. | :46:18. | |
nation three years later. I think validation of one's work, be it as | :46:19. | :46:25. | |
an artist or photo correspondent is healthy for readjustment to healthy | :46:26. | :46:30. | |
civilian life. I wish on reflection I hadn't gone to Helmand, sending an | :46:31. | :46:36. | |
artist is a compolitician and moral responsibility. Making people work | :46:37. | :46:39. | |
under those conditions is life-changing. It is removed from | :46:40. | :46:43. | |
the pristine experience of viewing art in a museum, or the academic | :46:44. | :46:49. | |
experience of curating an exhibition. Aside from the military, | :46:50. | :46:52. | |
so few of us know what it really means to be involved in a tour of | :46:53. | :46:59. | |
duty. I was niave in my imagining of it and so were those who sent me. | :47:00. | :47:06. | |
That's it for tonight, we leave you with the German World Cup team as | :47:07. | :47:10. | |
they brought that trophy back to Berlin today to an incredible | :47:11. | :47:14. | |
reception. They are probably still singing now at the Brandenburg | :47:15. | :47:22. | |
Gates, they were found chant ago few English fans favourites, what is the | :47:23. | :47:27. | |
opposite of schadenfreude?! Good night. | :47:28. | :47:37. | |
# It's coming home, it's coming home # It's coming, | :47:38. | :47:44. | |
# Football's coming home # It's coming home | :47:45. | :47:49. | |
# Football's coming home # It's coming home | :47:50. | :47:56. | |
# Football's coming home # It's coming home, it's coming home | :47:57. | :48:03. | |
# It's coming football's coming home. | :48:04. | :48:08. | |
# Three lions on a shirt # Jewels | :48:09. | :48:14. | |
#30 years of hurt Early risers in Northern Ireland | :48:15. | :48:26. | |
some | :48:27. | :48:27. |