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Good evening, there are fewer than 60 hours to go until the polling | :00:09. | :00:14. | |
stations open for the referendum on Scottish independence, and the fight | :00:15. | :00:19. | |
for every last vote is on. We're in the Newsnight tent in Broughty Ferry | :00:20. | :00:24. | |
in the SNP constituency of donity East, with an audience of mainly yes | :00:25. | :00:28. | |
supporter, tomorrow we will be mainly with no voters in the only | :00:29. | :00:34. | |
Tory seat in Scotland. In the yes camp Cox and the no camp, Mone and | :00:35. | :00:42. | |
local MP, Stewart Hosie, we will be speaking to David Cameron before the | :00:43. | :00:47. | |
final vote. Alex Salmond says it is ridiculous to say the EU would | :00:48. | :00:52. | |
reject an independent Scotland, we will hear from Spain's Europe | :00:53. | :01:04. | |
Minister who says it is not. Welcome to Broughty Ferry, there is | :01:05. | :01:13. | |
a seemingly unquenchable thirst for debate for this the referendum home | :01:14. | :01:18. | |
straight. Much of it is good tempered, but not all of it. Allegra | :01:19. | :01:25. | |
Stratton has been on the streets of Dundee, the streets of will will and | :01:26. | :01:32. | |
Desperate Dan. She's also in the capital and with Alex Salmond. We | :01:33. | :01:36. | |
will hear from her in a moment. Bryan Cox, do you believe it has | :01:37. | :01:42. | |
been an energising experience for democracy. In the last two or three | :01:43. | :01:44. | |
weeks the gears have shifted massively? Absolutely. It is a | :01:45. | :01:49. | |
movement, and movement for social democracy. The winner in all this is | :01:50. | :01:53. | |
social democracy. We're the envy of the world, the world is looking at | :01:54. | :01:56. | |
us slightly agog at what is going on in Scotland. And I'm proud of our | :01:57. | :02:01. | |
country and all the people here. We have shown an example, which has | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
been sadly missing in the world. I'm really excited about it. Michelle, | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
it is interesting, because in the last general election, the turnout | :02:10. | :02:16. | |
in Scotland was about 64%, it could be over 80% now, could you imagine | :02:17. | :02:19. | |
that happening? Never, I think what it is bringing out is that passion | :02:20. | :02:25. | |
from either side, no-one can question any Scot, we are all | :02:26. | :02:28. | |
passionate about Scotland, whether you are in the yes camp or the no | :02:29. | :02:33. | |
camp. This Team Scotland that Alex Salmond keeps coming out with, I was | :02:34. | :02:36. | |
quite hurt by it, because he was making out people like me, who are | :02:37. | :02:41. | |
yes, wanting us to stay and grow together, he was making me feel as | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
if you're not passionate about Scotland, I'm exceptionally | :02:46. | :02:48. | |
passionate about Scotland, I have grown my businesses here, I live | :02:49. | :02:54. | |
here, I grew up in the East End of Glasgow and I built my companies | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
there. I'm Team Scotland and in the yes camp. You're not, in the no | :02:59. | :03:09. | |
camp! That's wonderful live on television we have a convert. | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
Magnificent, thank you Michelle. That's wonderful. That brings me to | :03:14. | :03:23. | |
a point, yes and no people can have a cuddle. By and large the campaign | :03:24. | :03:26. | |
has been pretty good natured, but it is all not good natured. I wonder if | :03:27. | :03:32. | |
there has been a negative (shouting in the background) Someone is out in | :03:33. | :03:39. | |
Broughty Ferry. Is there negatively? You get head bangers. We just had | :03:40. | :03:43. | |
one here now. You do get head bangers, but on the whole it is, you | :03:44. | :03:50. | |
know the civility is unbelievable, you know. And everybody is worried | :03:51. | :03:54. | |
about what is going to happen afterwards, will we come together | :03:55. | :03:57. | |
again? Of course we will. That is who we are, that is what | :03:58. | :04:02. | |
distinguishes us as a nation. We have got probably two-thirds yes | :04:03. | :04:05. | |
voters here and a third no vote, just coming to the question voters | :04:06. | :04:09. | |
here, did you feel that you have been energised for the first time in | :04:10. | :04:13. | |
political discourse, yes the gentleman with the red jacket and | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
the tartan tie, can we hear from you? My yes vote isn't necessarily a | :04:18. | :04:22. | |
vote for any particular policy, it is a vote for democracy, it is a | :04:23. | :04:25. | |
vote for the energy that exists right across Scotland, yes and no. | :04:26. | :04:29. | |
I'm voting yes because there is something new and significant | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
happening in our country at the moment. Just coming round to the no | :04:34. | :04:40. | |
camp here, is there about, vote no if you don't know? Are you very | :04:41. | :04:44. | |
worried about the uncertainties over Europe, which we will talk about | :04:45. | :04:49. | |
later, or the currency, what are your major concerns, somebody there? | :04:50. | :04:57. | |
Yes? The gentleman with the blue shirt what are your major concerns? | :04:58. | :05:00. | |
One of the concerns in the City, which relates to Bryan Cox is really | :05:01. | :05:02. | |
the effects on our universities. We have two eminent universities in the | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
city, I think independence would create difficulties for the | :05:07. | :05:09. | |
financing of the eminent research teams for instance in biosciences. | :05:10. | :05:16. | |
So I find it interesting that Bryan's the rector of the | :05:17. | :05:19. | |
university, but he's supporting independence. We will talk about the | :05:20. | :05:24. | |
wonderful position that Dundee in the world is as a global research | :05:25. | :05:27. | |
centre in the moment. First the temperature of the political | :05:28. | :05:31. | |
rhetoric is rising. Tonight David Cameron delivered a warning to | :05:32. | :05:34. | |
voters, in front of an audience of Conservative activists in Aberdeen, | :05:35. | :05:38. | |
he sent forth an urgent message. Don't take your anger with the | :05:39. | :05:43. | |
austerity or the bedroom tax out in your vote, because there is no going | :05:44. | :05:45. | |
back to the union after Thursday if there is a yes vote. | :05:46. | :05:51. | |
Minister, whatever happens in the next few day, the significant | :05:52. | :05:53. | |
constitutional change on the way, that is hardly what you planned? No, | :05:54. | :05:57. | |
I think it is right to have a referendum on whether Scotland wants | :05:58. | :06:01. | |
to stay part of the United Kingdom. But I always said right from the | :06:02. | :06:04. | |
start of this campaign, if Scotland voted no to separation the rest of | :06:05. | :06:08. | |
the United Kingdom would say yes to further devolution. It has been good | :06:09. | :06:11. | |
in the campaign that we have been able to say more about that I think | :06:12. | :06:16. | |
that is a positive. No, doesn't mean no change. It looks last-minute in | :06:17. | :06:20. | |
terms of the timetable and detail. You were the Prime Minister that | :06:21. | :06:28. | |
agreed the referendum but kept devo max off the paper, if it is a yes | :06:29. | :06:31. | |
will you take personal responsibility? On the question of | :06:32. | :06:34. | |
having more than one question, I think it was right to have one | :06:35. | :06:38. | |
question. If Scotland wants more devolution and I think it should | :06:39. | :06:41. | |
have t you have to ask the prior question, "do you want to stay in | :06:42. | :06:53. | |
the United Kingdom? ". That wasn't just my view it was all the major | :06:54. | :06:55. | |
leaders, to settle the question of separation and then devolution. In | :06:56. | :06:57. | |
this campaign the individual parties have set out their proposals and | :06:58. | :07:03. | |
been strikingly similar, so it is. Without that on the ballot paper, | :07:04. | :07:08. | |
many believe that has increased the chances of a question vote, you | :07:09. | :07:10. | |
might be the Prime Minister that presides over the break up of a | :07:11. | :07:16. | |
union that is more than 300 years old. How will you feel if that is | :07:17. | :07:18. | |
your legacy? I feel passionately about our United Kingdom. I | :07:19. | :07:21. | |
desperately want our country to stay together. I very much hope that | :07:22. | :07:24. | |
Scotland will vote no and that will trigger further devolution. But I'm | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
a democrat. I was faced by a situation where one part of our | :07:29. | :07:36. | |
UFSHGS kingdom voted for a Government, the Scottish National | :07:37. | :07:37. | |
Party Government, that wanted a referendum I think the right | :07:38. | :07:39. | |
decision was to allow that referendum, rather than to fight T I | :07:40. | :07:42. | |
think if I had said no, you can't have a referendum, I think Scottish | :07:43. | :07:45. | |
independence would be closer today than it is. But you may have | :07:46. | :07:51. | |
presided over an extraordinary set of constitutional events. How will | :07:52. | :07:57. | |
you feel if you are the Prime Minister from the Conservative and | :07:58. | :07:59. | |
Unionist Party who sees that nation break up? I have been very clear, I | :08:00. | :08:05. | |
have said it would break my heart to see the United Kingdom split apart, | :08:06. | :08:08. | |
and a few days before polling day, I say that again on your programme. | :08:09. | :08:13. | |
That is not what I seek. I want our United Kingdom to stay together. I | :08:14. | :08:16. | |
believe we are stronger, safer, better off in this dangerous world | :08:17. | :08:23. | |
of instability and problems and threats, the most recent of which we | :08:24. | :08:26. | |
can see from Syria and Iraq. But I'm a democrat, and in the end it is for | :08:27. | :08:29. | |
the people of Scotland to choose, that is the way we do things in | :08:30. | :08:35. | |
these islands. Do you wish that you personally, and the union campaign, | :08:36. | :08:38. | |
had made more effort early on? I believe I fought this campaign very | :08:39. | :08:52. | |
hard. This is something like my 11th major intervention floe this A | :08:53. | :08:54. | |
campaign of more than two years? It is not campaign of the Conservative | :08:55. | :08:57. | |
Party against the Scottish National Party, it is all those parties, and | :08:58. | :08:59. | |
trade unions and volumity bodies and charities, | :09:00. | :08:59. | |
trade unions and volumity bodies and nothing to do with politics who want | :09:00. | :09:03. | |
to stay part of the of nations and those who want to leave. There will | :09:04. | :09:07. | |
be more powers for Scotland, should there will be more powers for | :09:08. | :09:15. | |
England too, an English parliament? I don't think we are remotely at | :09:16. | :09:17. | |
that stage. The debate has begun in your | :09:18. | :10:06. | |
being The key thing that people need to see this week of all weeks. Do | :10:07. | :10:12. | |
you think we are witnessing something fundamentally, not just | :10:13. | :10:16. | |
with the rise of the SNP, but also in terms of UKIP. People seem to be | :10:17. | :10:23. | |
turning away or lost faith of the 50 years of politics that had been | :10:24. | :10:25. | |
settled. Are we seeing something fundamentally? I think what we are | :10:26. | :10:28. | |
seeing is when you have had a difficult and painful recession, and | :10:29. | :10:30. | |
British families have been through very difficult times, many people | :10:31. | :10:33. | |
have lost their jobs. They are now getting them back again. But you | :10:34. | :10:37. | |
have seen pay not going up. Living standards squeezed. When you see | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
those things people want change and answers. What we have to do is | :10:42. | :10:45. | |
explain we can get those answers through a United Kingdom Government. | :10:46. | :10:48. | |
We are coming out of the bad times. We have created two million new | :10:49. | :10:53. | |
jobs. We are seeing the country including Scotland recover and | :10:54. | :10:56. | |
recover strongly and now is not the time to break our country apart. You | :10:57. | :10:59. | |
believe this is partly the product of a recession? As I say | :11:00. | :11:03. | |
anti-politics feeling that you see, not just in Britain, but other | :11:04. | :11:07. | |
countries, is people wanting change, people wanting leaders that | :11:08. | :11:11. | |
understand their aspirations and they want these things fixed. That | :11:12. | :11:17. | |
is what political leaders have to realise and act on. David Cameron | :11:18. | :11:24. | |
talking to Laura, we're here in Broughty Ferry with an audience | :11:25. | :11:30. | |
mainly of yes supporter, but no campaigners too. You heard David | :11:31. | :11:38. | |
Cameron say there that this is his 11th foray into this debate into | :11:39. | :11:40. | |
Scotland. It felt to some people that the cavalry was coming, surely | :11:41. | :11:43. | |
he has every right as Prime Minister to come and make his case in | :11:44. | :11:50. | |
Scotland. Honestly, I think first of all those who will vote no, before | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
you tick or cross that box you need to think why is this referendum | :11:55. | :11:59. | |
happening in the first place. A big part of that is no-one asked voted | :12:00. | :12:09. | |
for David Cameron, yet he is bringing in all those policies. You | :12:10. | :12:14. | |
say about the bedroom tax, that is a big part of it. That is why we are | :12:15. | :12:20. | |
trying to break-away. Over here on the no side. You heard David Cameron | :12:21. | :12:25. | |
say a no vote is a vote for change. Do you think that you would have had | :12:26. | :12:30. | |
more success than you perhaps have had on the doorsteps if you had | :12:31. | :12:33. | |
known there was going to be so much change offered in the event of a no | :12:34. | :12:44. | |
vote. The lady in the front? Absolutely. I believe more power is | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
excellent and listened to the debate and the experts. Would you like him | :12:49. | :12:52. | |
to have come up with the idea of more change for Scotland earlier on? | :12:53. | :12:56. | |
I dare say it should have come sooner, but better late than ever. | :12:57. | :13:07. | |
Let's look at the day's events with Stratton STRACHLT | :13:08. | :13:13. | |
Despite this hoopla a critical number of Scots haven't made up | :13:14. | :13:19. | |
their minds. The late surge in the campaign has been to Alex Salmond, | :13:20. | :13:21. | |
out at Edinburgh airport this morning with pro-independence | :13:22. | :13:23. | |
business men, hoping, with three days to go to clinch wavers voters. | :13:24. | :13:34. | |
-- wavering voters. I know how closely you followed the debate. If | :13:35. | :13:39. | |
you remember two weeks ago in the middle of the BBC debate a dramatic | :13:40. | :13:48. | |
revelation from Alastair Darling that Scotland could use the pound. | :13:49. | :13:50. | |
If you follow the debate. We do follow the debate, it is ambiguous | :13:51. | :13:54. | |
if they will let you have a currency union, the undecided want to know? | :13:55. | :13:59. | |
You should have taken Alastair Darling's place, you are doing | :14:00. | :14:06. | |
better than he is. Darling did say they could use the pound in limited | :14:07. | :14:13. | |
form without a currency union. The SNP is very upbeat today. Working | :14:14. | :14:18. | |
hard to make sure those who are pro-independence show up for | :14:19. | :14:21. | |
independence. Even to the west of Edinburgh centre, not an SNP | :14:22. | :14:25. | |
stronghold, the yes vote think their offer of freedom on Friday is | :14:26. | :14:31. | |
infectious. Today the yes campaign pitched their stall next to the | :14:32. | :14:36. | |
office of a local MP. Why are you not got one window with no and one | :14:37. | :14:41. | |
with yes. I don't believe in yes. I believe it will damage. It is not | :14:42. | :14:45. | |
about you. It is actually. About It is about the people you represent | :14:46. | :14:49. | |
which are your constituents. Where's the no people on the street? They | :14:50. | :14:55. | |
are off delivering all round the city. Yeah right. Who do you mean | :14:56. | :15:02. | |
right. Why have you such little respect for the other side of the | :15:03. | :15:07. | |
campaign. Why are you doing? Why is that your reaction immediately, it | :15:08. | :15:10. | |
is intimidation. You know, you have got the van and car parked outside | :15:11. | :15:21. | |
the office, you have got 20 people who are basing themselves 10ms from | :15:22. | :15:24. | |
the office. Can Scotland return to normal after this? It has to. Look | :15:25. | :15:26. | |
at the exchange you had with that lady there, it is not common fare | :15:27. | :15:32. | |
for you? Things will calm down after the vote is under way. It has to be | :15:33. | :15:37. | |
a priority for everyone either side of the campaign to put Scotland back | :15:38. | :15:40. | |
together, this has been hugely devisive. Tension in Edinburgh this | :15:41. | :15:45. | |
morning, and here in the SNP stronghold of Dundee, the two sides | :15:46. | :15:52. | |
are also shrugging it out. Both teams believe it will be the | :15:53. | :15:54. | |
undecided voters that swing the poll on Thursday. Some pollsters think if | :15:55. | :15:57. | |
everybody who currently hasn't made up their mind went over to the yes | :15:58. | :16:04. | |
team, that could be enough to decide things for Alex Salmond. But the no | :16:05. | :16:07. | |
camp think they are also having some traction. It is just their vote is | :16:08. | :16:11. | |
quieter. The pro-union campaigners also mobilised its ground troops. | :16:12. | :16:15. | |
Some of those undecided voters are people who have never voted before, | :16:16. | :16:20. | |
or rarely. With no previous voting record this group of people is quite | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
unpredictable. We have been asked, I think, either way to vote without | :16:25. | :16:27. | |
having concrete evidence of what way it is going to go. You are an | :16:28. | :16:31. | |
undecided voter? That is exactly what I am. I'm going to turn up on | :16:32. | :16:36. | |
the day and see whether the sun is shining and I will look for signs, | :16:37. | :16:41. | |
if there is a thistle in the clouds. You sound forgive me, | :16:42. | :16:44. | |
if there is a thistle in the clouds. and informed about things and you | :16:45. | :16:47. | |
are really going to go in and put your finger in the wind and go for | :16:48. | :16:52. | |
it? That is basically it. This is a decision that could break up our | :16:53. | :16:55. | |
family of nations and rip Scotland from the rest of the United Kingdom. | :16:56. | :17:00. | |
And we must be very clear. There is no going back from this. No rerun. | :17:01. | :17:08. | |
This is a once and for all decision. If Scotland votes yes, the UK will | :17:09. | :17:13. | |
split and we will go our separate ways forever. David Cameron made his | :17:14. | :17:19. | |
last plea. He fears voters think they can vote yes, change minds | :17:20. | :17:25. | |
later. Both camps have the same message, "this is it". | :17:26. | :17:32. | |
Allegra Stratton reporting, we apologise if you heard any wearing | :17:33. | :17:35. | |
swearing and noises off the way, there is a tiny number of Broughty | :17:36. | :17:38. | |
Ferry out there with nothing better to do. | :17:39. | :17:57. | |
I'm joined by Michelle Mone, you run an international business, Martin | :17:58. | :17:59. | |
Gilbert controls billions of pounds for his clients says there is no | :18:00. | :18:02. | |
reason to think that an independent Scotland will work do you agree with | :18:03. | :18:05. | |
that? No. If you are buying a business you do a due diligence | :18:06. | :18:07. | |
process, and if they don't answer all the questions you wouldn't buy | :18:08. | :18:13. | |
the company. We are sitting here right now, less than 60 hours to go, | :18:14. | :18:16. | |
and we still don't know any of the answers that we have been asking for | :18:17. | :18:19. | |
the last few years. And these are important questions. I know you are | :18:20. | :18:21. | |
going to have less corporation tax to pay? We don't know if we are | :18:22. | :18:32. | |
going to have the pound, the currency that is a really big | :18:33. | :18:37. | |
problems. The other thing Kirsty is, this is a really important question. | :18:38. | :18:40. | |
Food banks in Scotland, I -- I really agree with food banks, we do | :18:41. | :18:42. | |
children's charities and I know more about it than I have ever have. If | :18:43. | :18:50. | |
we are talking about food banks are a problem, food prices which all the | :18:51. | :18:53. | |
supermarkets have said. Not all of them, Morrisons and Tesco's have | :18:54. | :18:56. | |
not? If you look at Tesco's website, and in Ireland, their prices are | :18:57. | :19:03. | |
higher. That is a fact. If there is a yes vote, your headquarters are | :19:04. | :19:11. | |
here but your manufacturing is in Sri Lanka, you said a yes vote would | :19:12. | :19:14. | |
mean you would move your company out of Scotland, will you do that? I | :19:15. | :19:17. | |
didn't say the company, I said me personally. I'm so nervous about the | :19:18. | :19:20. | |
way things are going, this is a terrible, terrible time for | :19:21. | :19:22. | |
business. We don't own the Gustafsson, the oil, we don't know | :19:23. | :19:25. | |
any of these really fundamental questions. We are stronger together. | :19:26. | :19:30. | |
Changes will be made and we will be even more. Y fundamental questions. | :19:31. | :19:41. | |
We are stronger together. Changes will be made and we will be even | :19:42. | :19:44. | |
more. In the face of the business question there is nothing the yes | :19:45. | :19:47. | |
campaign can do because there is so much uncertainty? There is so much | :19:48. | :19:50. | |
uncertainty, that is the paradigm, you have to factor that in. In terms | :19:51. | :19:58. | |
of young people you won't have the 40,000 young people that leave here | :19:59. | :20:00. | |
every year. And certainly we are going to attend to that. And also I | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
think that is missing from this whole debate is actually the little | :20:06. | :20:10. | |
guy, and the little gal, they are missing. What I have discovered in | :20:11. | :20:19. | |
Dundee alone, for example in the last four weeks, over gone on to the | :20:20. | :20:22. | |
social register, who have never been on the social register in Dundee. | :20:23. | :20:23. | |
This is about disenfranchisement, this is about people who have been | :20:24. | :20:28. | |
passed by. People who have been passed by consistent Governments. | :20:29. | :20:31. | |
That is really everything as far as I'm concerned. Do you think there is | :20:32. | :20:40. | |
a disenchantment with political parties. I know you are a Labour | :20:41. | :20:42. | |
supporter, are you a yes supporter because you wish to see a Labour | :20:43. | :20:44. | |
Government and independent Scotland? I'm a yes supporter because I want | :20:45. | :20:49. | |
to see an independent Scotland. I'm a yes supporter because I want a new | :20:50. | :20:52. | |
beginning and because I want to see an even field. Will you come back | :20:53. | :20:56. | |
and live in Scotland? I will try to get a house here! The other thing is | :20:57. | :21:02. | |
we have just come out of a recession, a really hard recession, | :21:03. | :21:05. | |
business is just starting to recover. I fear this will put us in | :21:06. | :21:11. | |
a depresidential. I honestly do believe it from a business point of | :21:12. | :21:15. | |
view, listen to what the banks and analysis are saying, this is | :21:16. | :21:19. | |
dangerous, really dangerous. One of the big unknowns is Europe, that is | :21:20. | :21:23. | |
a big area of contention, it is whether Scotland would automatically | :21:24. | :21:35. | |
be within the EU. Alex Salmond says it is ridiculous to suggest that | :21:36. | :21:37. | |
Europe would want to exclude oil-rich, fish-rich and energy-rich | :21:38. | :21:39. | |
Scotland, and the negotiations can be speedily sorted. Is it as | :21:40. | :21:42. | |
straight forward as that? How easy would it be for Scotland to | :21:43. | :21:46. | |
become an E United States, there is no precedent or provision within EU | :21:47. | :21:50. | |
law to tell us what happens. Scotland would need a change in the | :21:51. | :21:54. | |
European treaters in order to join. And every one of the union's 28 | :21:55. | :22:06. | |
members needs to agree to it, giving each member an effective veto. In | :22:07. | :22:08. | |
its favour Scotland is already compliant with EU law, so | :22:09. | :22:10. | |
negotiations in that sense would not be that difficult. However However, | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
things get tricky when it comes to renegotiating some of the UK's | :22:15. | :22:18. | |
historic benefits. Britain has a unique opt-out when it comes to the | :22:19. | :22:22. | |
euro, Scottish nationalists would like that opt-out to apply to them, | :22:23. | :22:32. | |
it might not. And the UK gets a substantial rebate from Europe, no | :22:33. | :22:39. | |
guarantees there. Spain, Belgium and Italy all have their own domestic | :22:40. | :22:42. | |
worries over independence, they may oppose Scotland's accession. The yes | :22:43. | :22:47. | |
campaign see no great problem with negotiation, but an independent | :22:48. | :22:52. | |
Scotland would still have to cross some unchartered waters in any | :22:53. | :22:59. | |
voyage to separate EU membership. I'm joined from Madrid by the | :23:00. | :23:08. | |
minister for Europe in Spanish affairs, Ingo Mendez De Vigo. If | :23:09. | :23:10. | |
there is a yes vote in Scotland, what is the likelihood of Scotland | :23:11. | :23:13. | |
being in the EU? Good evening from Madrid. Well, it is crystal clear | :23:14. | :23:20. | |
that any partner member-state that leaves the member-state is out of | :23:21. | :23:24. | |
the European Union. If they want to apply again, they would have to | :23:25. | :23:39. | |
follow the procedure of article 49 of the treaties. That means the | :23:40. | :23:41. | |
status of candidates should be granted to the new candidates. This | :23:42. | :23:44. | |
decision has to be taken unanimously. Then it has to go into | :23:45. | :23:52. | |
a negotiation of the 35 chanters, at the end of this negotiation there is | :23:53. | :23:55. | |
also a vote, anonymously. If it is granted, it has to go to the | :23:56. | :24:05. | |
European Parliament, where a vote is taken by the absolute majority of | :24:06. | :24:08. | |
the members. If at the end of the process, a new vote is granted, it | :24:09. | :24:12. | |
needs to go through the process of the 28 member states. When I was | :24:13. | :24:15. | |
listening to myself, I was saying a lot of "ifs", more "ifs "that a poem | :24:16. | :24:21. | |
by Kipling. Tell me, would Spain block's | :24:22. | :24:29. | |
Scotland's entry? This is not a question of other member states, you | :24:30. | :24:32. | |
have to follow the rules and the rules are very clear. You have to | :24:33. | :24:41. | |
comply to article 49 and follow the a member-state of the European | :24:42. | :24:43. | |
Union, following the process I just mentioned with a lot of steps taking | :24:44. | :24:49. | |
the unanimity, it is a process that takes more or less five years. The | :24:50. | :24:59. | |
newly-elected President of the Commission, Mr Juncker said, as a | :25:00. | :25:01. | |
candidate now to become a member of the European Union, he said before | :25:02. | :25:03. | |
the European Parliament it wouldn't happen in the next five years. There | :25:04. | :25:07. | |
you have a hint of how long it might take. Tell me, do you think that in | :25:08. | :25:17. | |
order to be allowed Trent or to negotiate even from within, Scotland | :25:18. | :25:20. | |
would have to commit to using the euro? The euro is not just another | :25:21. | :25:25. | |
policy of the union, there is a name of all member states to share -- an | :25:26. | :25:37. | |
aim of all member states to share the common currency, and there is an | :25:38. | :25:54. | |
exception, the United Kingdom has an opt-out granted back in 1995 to go | :25:55. | :25:57. | |
out of the euro. But I don't see in the future for any member-state to | :25:58. | :26:02. | |
be granted that possibility, if any member-state or candidate puts that | :26:03. | :26:04. | |
on the table, I can tell you that all member states will look at it | :26:05. | :26:06. | |
very carefully. Isn't part of the reason that you | :26:07. | :26:09. | |
appear to be doubleful about Scotland's membership of the | :26:10. | :26:12. | |
European Union the fact that you have got your own problems in Spain | :26:13. | :26:14. | |
with Catalonia, and actually you do not want any encouragement of any | :26:15. | :26:20. | |
accession. The thing is Scotland is already a nation. Yet you mention in | :26:21. | :26:24. | |
Spain and the Scottish are completely different, for historical | :26:25. | :26:33. | |
reasons and legal constitutional issues. Westminster allowed this | :26:34. | :26:37. | |
referendum to take place. We respect it, in Spain the constitutional | :26:38. | :26:42. | |
legal framework we have, and the self-determination was rejected by | :26:43. | :26:46. | |
Spanish courts. If such a referendum should take place in Spain, first we | :26:47. | :26:49. | |
have to revise the Spanish constitution. | :26:50. | :26:53. | |
Thank you very much for joining us this evening. | :26:54. | :27:03. | |
The SNP's Stewart Hosie, you heard it there. Five years absolute | :27:04. | :27:10. | |
minimum. The the final question on Catalonia, when Spanish ministers | :27:11. | :27:14. | |
intervene in the Scottish debate, it is less to do with Scottish | :27:15. | :27:29. | |
self-Dell more to do with Spain. It only takes one country to block you? | :27:30. | :27:34. | |
If he was talking about article 49, the other side of the argument for | :27:35. | :27:36. | |
the honourary Director General of the European Commission has said | :27:37. | :27:41. | |
that article 48 is the law under which this would happen, negotiation | :27:42. | :27:44. | |
from within a treaty change. There is no provision to expel a state or | :27:45. | :27:47. | |
part of a state from the EU, there is absolutely no provision to remove | :27:48. | :27:50. | |
the rights of European citizens and we are all union citizens. You are | :27:51. | :27:56. | |
not an entity on your own, you are part of the United Kingdom, this is | :27:57. | :27:59. | |
part of the decision? When we become independent. If you become | :28:00. | :28:00. | |
independent? Both countries will inherit the treaty obligations. We | :28:01. | :28:04. | |
have always accepted there have to be negotiation, of course, but done | :28:05. | :28:26. | |
under article 48 from win, not article 49 as a new entrant. | :28:27. | :28:28. | |
Even if negotiations are under way, and I understand that negotiations | :28:29. | :28:38. | |
appear to be under way with different countries, that is indeed | :28:39. | :28:40. | |
what Alex Salmond said. The idea of 18 months is fanciful, isn't it. | :28:41. | :28:42. | |
What you are fighting on all sides if you get a yes vote. You are | :28:43. | :28:46. | |
fighting to use sterling, on the other hand you are fighting not to | :28:47. | :28:52. | |
have the euro, you will be fighting an awful lot of battles won't you? | :28:53. | :29:04. | |
The currency issue is very straight forward. Scotland's currency is as | :29:05. | :29:06. | |
much as anyone els. For a whole variety of technical reasons, the | :29:07. | :29:24. | |
?60 billion of imports from England, we will be using sterling. We are | :29:25. | :29:26. | |
catagoric about that. And George Osborne is catagoric that you won't | :29:27. | :29:28. | |
be? George is engage anything a grotesque bluff. As part of the euro | :29:29. | :29:31. | |
you have to be part of the Exchange Rate Mechanism for two years, to be | :29:32. | :29:34. | |
part of the ERM is voluntary, no-one in the Scottish Government is | :29:35. | :29:36. | |
volunteering Scotland down In terms of the campaign, by and large it has | :29:37. | :29:39. | |
been good-natured, but it hasn't always been good-natured, I wonder | :29:40. | :29:42. | |
it is likely the vote will be very tight. There will be a very large | :29:43. | :29:44. | |
number of people in Scotland, a minority, but a large minority, who | :29:45. | :29:47. | |
will be unhappy with this vote? I have to say the way I would | :29:48. | :29:49. | |
characterise this has been extraordinary. Hundreds of thousands | :29:50. | :29:51. | |
of people engadgeted in politics, in communities the length and breadth. | :29:52. | :29:53. | |
Country, in a way they have never, ever been before. Yes, there have | :29:54. | :29:56. | |
been cross words, of course there have, it has been a long tiring | :29:57. | :29:58. | |
debate. On the yes side we believe the vote will be a vote of national | :29:59. | :30:08. | |
self-confidence, not just yes voters but everybody in Scotland. I think | :30:09. | :30:10. | |
the First Minister was right to talk about team Scotland, to bring | :30:11. | :30:12. | |
everybody together after the yes vote, driving a single direction. | :30:13. | :30:16. | |
Many a slipped twixt cut and lip. We are not there yet. Partly because | :30:17. | :30:21. | |
the vote is so energised and we know the turnout will be high. It is | :30:22. | :30:24. | |
extraordinary, isn't it, there will be a divided country? I don't think | :30:25. | :30:47. | |
it will be divided. We have 97% of the people on the electoral | :30:48. | :31:14. | |
register, that is fantastic for democracy. It is an 80% first | :31:15. | :31:17. | |
turnout, that is brilliant. We need to keep everyone engaged in | :31:18. | :31:19. | |
democracy. I don't believe to the characterisation that the yes vote | :31:20. | :31:21. | |
will lead to the division everyone is suggesting. The man with the | :31:22. | :31:24. | |
jacket on, how do you feel. What do you think about the he divide? I | :31:25. | :31:27. | |
think it has been devisive. There has been a lot of energy, we spoke | :31:28. | :31:30. | |
to one in five people in Dundee east, and people are really engaged, | :31:31. | :31:32. | |
but it is really about people concerned about the uncertainties to | :31:33. | :31:35. | |
actually, they want to go forward with a political union, and it would | :31:36. | :31:40. | |
be a really smooth transition into Europe, but no monetary union with | :31:41. | :31:43. | |
Europe, but actually they don't want the political union with the UK but | :31:44. | :31:47. | |
the monetary with the UK. People are really, it is, and if there is some | :31:48. | :31:52. | |
friction on the doorstep, but there is a small minority I think there | :31:53. | :32:02. | |
will be some unpleasantness, and there needs to be a bit of work of | :32:03. | :32:05. | |
coming together. There needs to be a bit of work. What we are hearing is | :32:06. | :32:08. | |
there is no doubt there is more uncertainty than certainty? With | :32:09. | :32:11. | |
independence Scotland will have the certainty of all decisions being | :32:12. | :32:35. | |
taken in Scotland. You don't know about currency or Europe? The | :32:36. | :32:37. | |
currency will be sterling. (Laughter) We have explained what | :32:38. | :32:39. | |
will happen in terms of the European Union. Expect and respect someone | :32:40. | :32:43. | |
from another political party talking up uncertainty, that is political | :32:44. | :32:46. | |
posturing, we will have the result in two days time. We are going to | :32:47. | :32:48. | |
return to the referendum in a moment. First to another dominant | :32:49. | :32:56. | |
story today, the brother of the aid worker David Haines, said he was | :32:57. | :33:03. | |
most enthusiastic in his humanitarian road. 30 countries | :33:04. | :33:05. | |
pledged to help Iraq combat IS with all they can. And it seems to have | :33:06. | :33:08. | |
strengthened David Cameron's resolve to reopen British air strikes. What | :33:09. | :33:11. | |
did the Paris summit actually achieve? It is a good question, | :33:12. | :33:15. | |
there is this grand strategy that President Obama has talked about. A | :33:16. | :33:32. | |
coalition the so called Islamic State. Last week there was a big | :33:33. | :33:39. | |
meeting of the gulf and some Arab countries, next week the thing is | :33:40. | :33:42. | |
supposed to be completed in New York on the fringes of the UN General | :33:43. | :33:44. | |
Assembly. The Paris meeting was meant to be about dividing up who | :33:45. | :33:47. | |
does what. So far the indications we have is people putting caveat, the | :33:48. | :33:49. | |
French saying they would do air strikes only if there is a UN | :33:50. | :33:59. | |
Security Council resolution to enable it. That doesn't seem likely. | :34:00. | :34:01. | |
The Iraqi President chairing the events said they don't need foreign | :34:02. | :34:04. | |
boots on the ground and not necessarily any for moren air | :34:05. | :34:06. | |
strikes apart from the US ones that have begun. A lot of people saying | :34:07. | :34:10. | |
what they won't do rather than what they will bring to the | :34:11. | :34:20. | |
US-orchestrated coalition. Tell me why it was very important to notice | :34:21. | :34:23. | |
the people who weren't there today as the people who were? Interesting | :34:24. | :34:26. | |
ly the Russians were there, as part of this French attempt to try some | :34:27. | :34:30. | |
how to get Security Council blessing for this. But the Iranians weren't | :34:31. | :34:48. | |
there and the Turk were not there. This is critical in various | :34:49. | :34:52. | |
respects. Iran is clearly a very influential country in Iraq, and | :34:53. | :34:52. | |
they have a close connection with the Syrian Government. President | :34:53. | :34:54. | |
Obama talk about excellenting air strikes into Syria, Iran has said | :34:55. | :34:57. | |
there is no way to support that, Russia has also indicated they would | :34:58. | :36:14. | |
not support that. The Turk, You can measure that Scotland with less than | :36:15. | :36:19. | |
the population. Contributes 15% of the best and widely cited papers. | :36:20. | :36:24. | |
Scotland has particular strength in the biological sciences. Especially | :36:25. | :36:32. | |
here at dined university. For example Dundee University. The | :36:33. | :36:39. | |
average medical searcher has 28% more impact than a world researcher, | :36:40. | :36:45. | |
in Scotland it is 4 a %. Our influence is on the molecular and | :36:46. | :36:53. | |
cellular basis of life. We do that to create understanding but also to | :36:54. | :36:58. | |
turn the research findings into benefits for human society. | :36:59. | :37:02. | |
Including improvements in health and designing and developing new drugs | :37:03. | :37:07. | |
to treat a variety of diseases. Scotland's strength is not just | :37:08. | :37:10. | |
high-end research, but training people in high-tech skills. Our | :37:11. | :37:14. | |
games courses, what we are trying to do is make sure the students learn | :37:15. | :37:18. | |
by doing. It is practice-based learning, and work in spaces such as | :37:19. | :37:22. | |
we are at the moment, we use our industry contacts to make sure that | :37:23. | :37:29. | |
people from industry come in and mentor the students. Dave Jones who | :37:30. | :37:33. | |
came out with Lemmings and Grand Theft Auto was a student I taught in | :37:34. | :37:38. | |
this space we're in at the moment. Scotland is good at linking business | :37:39. | :37:42. | |
to study. In 2012 Scottish universities counted for 20% of the | :37:43. | :37:46. | |
private income raised by spin-offs from universities. That is twice the | :37:47. | :37:52. | |
UK average rate. Spin-offs have already created about 4,700 jobs in | :37:53. | :37:55. | |
Scotland. That success explains why it is that | :37:56. | :38:01. | |
even the yes campaign want Scotland to remain a common research area | :38:02. | :38:06. | |
with the rest of the UK. One thing scientists agree on, whatever | :38:07. | :38:09. | |
happens this week it would be a very bad idea to break up the union on | :38:10. | :38:13. | |
science. But there is a bit of a problem. There are actually some | :38:14. | :38:16. | |
strong incentives for politicians and some scientists not to play | :38:17. | :38:21. | |
ball. First of all if you are a politician in London, why would you | :38:22. | :38:26. | |
fund research in Dundee? It is a foreign country now? Second, if you | :38:27. | :38:30. | |
are an English university you might not actually deal that much with | :38:31. | :38:34. | |
Scotland. Only 5% of English research papers have a Scottish | :38:35. | :38:39. | |
co-author. But because Scotland gets more money per head for research, if | :38:40. | :38:42. | |
you can push Scotland out a little bit, you might get more money for | :38:43. | :38:48. | |
your own university. Depending on how the independence | :38:49. | :38:51. | |
talks went, a new Scottish state could need to make up for, for a | :38:52. | :38:59. | |
start, ?360 million in lost UK-wide grants and depending on how EU | :39:00. | :39:03. | |
negotiations went, ?60 million from Europe. Science is expensive and it | :39:04. | :39:08. | |
is no sure thing either. New Zealand suffers a seepage of talent because | :39:09. | :39:16. | |
young people leave to do PhDs or other research work, from New | :39:17. | :39:20. | |
Zealand to Australia and they tend not to come back. Something similar | :39:21. | :39:23. | |
happens with spin-outs from the universities. Because the New | :39:24. | :39:27. | |
Zealand economy doesn't have enough venture capital to support | :39:28. | :39:30. | |
second-stage development of those. So they tend, if they are | :39:31. | :39:33. | |
successful, to end up going to Australia to get further funding. | :39:34. | :39:36. | |
That is a risk which Scotland would have to face. Scottish universities | :39:37. | :39:44. | |
are great, but the road to a high-tech future is very far from | :39:45. | :39:47. | |
clear. With me now are two Dundee science | :39:48. | :39:58. | |
success stories, we have a programme and games creator, creating Lemmings | :39:59. | :40:04. | |
and Grand Theft Auto, we also have Stephen Watson. | :40:05. | :40:09. | |
Doreen Cantrell, what do you think would be the impact of the yes vote | :40:10. | :40:13. | |
on the research programmes you are involved in? The impact of the yes | :40:14. | :40:17. | |
vote would create a lot of uncertainty. Because there have been | :40:18. | :40:20. | |
no clear answers as to whether or not the Scottish Government will | :40:21. | :40:24. | |
make up the funding gap that was mentioned in the previous interview. | :40:25. | :40:28. | |
But can I give you the idea of the scale of the funding gap. In | :40:29. | :40:36. | |
2011/2012, the University of Dundee was awarded ?120 million of research | :40:37. | :40:40. | |
funding, only ?20 million came from the Scottish Government. The | :40:41. | :40:44. | |
remainder came from UK source, it is not clear whether the Scottish | :40:45. | :40:47. | |
Government will have the capacity to make up that difference. And do you | :40:48. | :40:51. | |
think that then you would lose good researchers and scientists? | :40:52. | :40:56. | |
Absolutely. Any degree of uncertainty would create a vacuum | :40:57. | :41:01. | |
and there would be a loss of key talent. Just to interrupt just now | :41:02. | :41:10. | |
to say we apologise for the swearing in the background, it is beyond our | :41:11. | :41:14. | |
control. ? 20 million coming from the | :41:15. | :41:19. | |
Scottish Government, ?100 million coming from elsewhere, what Doreen | :41:20. | :41:21. | |
Cantrell is saying, in an independent Scotland you couldn't be | :41:22. | :41:23. | |
sure of that funding, you couldn't be sure it would go to another | :41:24. | :41:28. | |
university, and subsequently some of our best scientists could go | :41:29. | :41:31. | |
elsewhere? I couldn't disagree more. The big picture is the research | :41:32. | :41:37. | |
council UK spends ?3 billion a year annually, Scotland contributes to | :41:38. | :41:43. | |
that through its tax receipt, approximately 10% annually in tax | :41:44. | :41:46. | |
receipts and receives 11% of the funding. The funding differential is | :41:47. | :41:52. | |
only ?30 million, the Scottish Government is paying its way and | :41:53. | :41:56. | |
this small gap can be made way for in the independent Scotland. I would | :41:57. | :42:00. | |
challenge that in the life sciences arena, that is the cornerstone in | :42:01. | :42:05. | |
the Scottish economy, it is the hope for future development, in the life | :42:06. | :42:12. | |
sciences area in membered a -- medical research which is why we are | :42:13. | :42:17. | |
leading. Surely people want to come to you for being world leaders not | :42:18. | :42:20. | |
whether or not you are in the United Kingdom? That is true, but there is | :42:21. | :42:24. | |
no precedent for this degree of cross-border funding. One other | :42:25. | :42:30. | |
Dundee was phenomenally successful was the gaming, all the | :42:31. | :42:33. | |
undergraduates that did gaming and you came out of it to do Grand Theft | :42:34. | :42:39. | |
Auto and Lemmings, would you woo it matter to you and Rock Star the | :42:40. | :42:43. | |
company you work for, whether or not Scotland was independent? I don't | :42:44. | :42:54. | |
think so. (Hauting Shouting in the background) We suffered from brain | :42:55. | :43:04. | |
drain in the 1980s and 1990, and we got funding from the Government and | :43:05. | :43:07. | |
that stopped. It was critical that you got money from the Scottish | :43:08. | :43:11. | |
Government, presumably what you would have to to look at is in an | :43:12. | :43:15. | |
independent Scotland the claims on the Government would be so | :43:16. | :43:19. | |
phenomenal, do you think that the whole computer gaming progress would | :43:20. | :43:27. | |
be at the top or bottom of the pile? I don't really know. It is going to | :43:28. | :43:31. | |
be a bigger pot to give out from any way. What Doreen is saying is people | :43:32. | :43:35. | |
would leave? I don't think so, Dundee has shown that. We have got a | :43:36. | :43:40. | |
large computer game base in Dundee. It started very small with the brain | :43:41. | :43:45. | |
drain and it has grown. You know people that would leave? I know | :43:46. | :43:50. | |
people that would leave. 20-30% of my staff are funded by salaries paid | :43:51. | :43:54. | |
by UK-based charities and research councils. We do not know whether | :43:55. | :43:58. | |
that funding will continue. I wish we did. Is there any way to talk | :43:59. | :44:02. | |
yourselves down though? What I'm most concerned about is if the vote | :44:03. | :44:07. | |
is yes, that scientists who should be focussing on solving medical | :44:08. | :44:11. | |
problems that will change global health practices will be focussing | :44:12. | :44:16. | |
on trying to maintain funding, to maintain what we already have. I see | :44:17. | :44:20. | |
no advantage whatsoever. And if I can make a point. The pots, there is | :44:21. | :44:25. | |
no evidence the pot size will change. The Scottish Government has | :44:26. | :44:31. | |
had the freedom to increase research funding in Scottish universities | :44:32. | :44:34. | |
under devolution as it stands, they have not. Again I disagree. First we | :44:35. | :44:40. | |
could refer to Sir David Carter a leading luminary of the no campaign, | :44:41. | :44:46. | |
on radio Scotland he stated the Scottish Government fully recognises | :44:47. | :44:50. | |
the importance of bioresearch to the Scottish universities and the | :44:51. | :44:55. | |
economy. A recent pot of 1,000 academic, and the vast majority, the | :44:56. | :45:03. | |
difference was more than 13% were saying. Which number is this 13%. It | :45:04. | :45:09. | |
was 67% were saying that actually there would be a problem with | :45:10. | :45:14. | |
funding? So again I think that once the data has been scrutinised and | :45:15. | :45:22. | |
Academics For Yes is publishing evidence. They need to get on with | :45:23. | :45:28. | |
it? It will be out in 36 hours, in the hands of any academic we will | :45:29. | :45:32. | |
provide the data. How do you make sure in an independent Scotland you | :45:33. | :45:37. | |
keep creative people, particularly in cities like Dundee where you have | :45:38. | :45:40. | |
the reputation? Provide the jobs and the work. Dundee's academic sector | :45:41. | :45:46. | |
turns out graduates, they go to companies and spin off into their | :45:47. | :45:49. | |
own companies and Dundee's gaming sector has done that for decades | :45:50. | :45:54. | |
now, it is a huge centre for gaming because of this cycle you get coming | :45:55. | :45:57. | |
from universities. Thank you all very much indeed. Following the | :45:58. | :46:01. | |
weekend polls showing the votes are on a knife edge, some big-star | :46:02. | :46:05. | |
supporters of the union, led by Eddie Izzard and Dan Snow, scrambled | :46:06. | :46:11. | |
a rally in Trafalgar Square urging Scotland not to go. | :46:12. | :46:15. | |
Everyone is in limbo, how is the big vote going to affect life north and | :46:16. | :46:22. | |
south of the border? There is a piper here in Trafalgar Square most | :46:23. | :46:28. | |
day, perhaps the tourist who is want the full UK experience as it is now, | :46:29. | :46:34. | |
but only on these shores for a matter of hours. Under the slogan | :46:35. | :46:39. | |
"let's stay together", a group of well known personalities took to the | :46:40. | :46:43. | |
square to voice their support for the union. What I'm going to do is a | :46:44. | :46:50. | |
bit of light-weight scaremongering. If Scotland enters the EU on its | :46:51. | :46:55. | |
own, here is a warning to Scotland, The Proclaimers will have to walk | :46:56. | :47:04. | |
800kms. And back. A total of 1600kms. It is a nightmare vision of | :47:05. | :47:10. | |
the future. Our message today is that we believe and we hope that the | :47:11. | :47:17. | |
Scottish people hear is "let's stay together". We want to say with the | :47:18. | :47:21. | |
people in Dundee we love sharing a country with them, it is the 21st | :47:22. | :47:26. | |
century, it is global problems, we have corporations that can ruin our | :47:27. | :47:29. | |
economies, we need to work together on these things and not reinstate a | :47:30. | :47:35. | |
border that was hacked out by two French-speaking warlords in the | :47:36. | :47:39. | |
early Middle Ages. Should you be up over the border where people have a | :47:40. | :47:43. | |
vote? I have been up over the border. And the Scottish people say | :47:44. | :47:47. | |
why should I listen to an English person saying that. People in | :47:48. | :47:51. | |
Scotland can't sense what people outside Scotland feel. It is | :47:52. | :47:54. | |
difficult to sense that, we thought we would do that. Before there was a | :47:55. | :47:58. | |
United States, a U nations, before there was a united this, that and | :47:59. | :48:01. | |
the other, there was a United Kingdom. An Irishman with an | :48:02. | :48:06. | |
honourary knighthood had this say too. If they are fed up with | :48:07. | :48:10. | |
Westminster, we are fed up with Westminster, the MPs are fed up, it | :48:11. | :48:15. | |
is not really working, we do need a new compact, but we need to work | :48:16. | :48:18. | |
that out together. There is no point going off in a huff. "We are | :48:19. | :48:30. | |
family", "we say no" say the crowd. Trafalgar Square with the great and | :48:31. | :48:33. | |
good. I have great good in the audience. Looking at Eddie Izzard | :48:34. | :48:39. | |
there, the line was "please don't go", if the tenor had been that from | :48:40. | :48:43. | |
the beginning would it have changed minds? No, I think if the devo max | :48:44. | :48:48. | |
had been on the paper a year ago a lot more people would have gone for | :48:49. | :48:52. | |
that. I would just like to tell the English people down in Trafalgar | :48:53. | :48:55. | |
Square, we are actually not going anywhere, we will still here. Who | :48:56. | :49:00. | |
else thinks that devo max if it had been in the pan at the would paper n | :49:01. | :49:10. | |
-- on the paper it would have been different? I think things like | :49:11. | :49:13. | |
federalism can be tried but you need to vote no. What will happen in the | :49:14. | :49:18. | |
next few days of the campaign? The problem with more powers is it has | :49:19. | :49:20. | |
to get through Westminster. We already know large numbers of Tory | :49:21. | :49:24. | |
MPs will block it and there will be no appetite whatsoever for | :49:25. | :49:26. | |
constitutional discussion if there is a no vote. How much is this a | :49:27. | :49:31. | |
disillusionment generally with Westminster politics, how it is | :49:32. | :49:35. | |
actually prosecuted? Not really. The gentleman in the middle with the | :49:36. | :49:41. | |
anorack? The Government policy is not to give Scotland further powers. | :49:42. | :49:47. | |
We can't be saying federalism is there. The reason federalism was not | :49:48. | :49:52. | |
on the ballot is they thought it would block the thing, now it is not | :49:53. | :49:56. | |
good they may vote yes. We have a backbench MP who happens to be a | :49:57. | :49:59. | |
former Prime Minister saying there will be no powers, he's not a | :50:00. | :50:02. | |
Government minister or in power, where is the guarantee there will be | :50:03. | :50:05. | |
any discussion of further powers if there is a no vote. Some of the no | :50:06. | :50:08. | |
side here, and there is no guarantee, is there a guarantee of | :50:09. | :50:12. | |
more powers if you vote no? I think there is a guarantee of more powers. | :50:13. | :50:16. | |
The Labour Party is the party of devolution, we wouldn't have a | :50:17. | :50:19. | |
Scottish Parliament without it. I think in terms of Westminster, I | :50:20. | :50:23. | |
think there is English people, where I grew up there is Northern Irish | :50:24. | :50:30. | |
people and Welsh people who are disillusioned too, the voting yes is | :50:31. | :50:35. | |
an optimisim, we can change the United Kingdom for everybody living | :50:36. | :50:38. | |
in it not just the northern half of it. It is too late for me after all | :50:39. | :50:45. | |
these years of a Conservative Government, it is time to go for | :50:46. | :50:48. | |
hope rather than the fear that we have been getting through the | :50:49. | :50:51. | |
television, through the media, every single day. That's enough for me. | :50:52. | :51:00. | |
That's just about it from Broughty Ferry, we are packing up the | :51:01. | :51:08. | |
Newsnight tent and pitching in the only Conservative redoubt in | :51:09. | :51:20. | |
Dumfries and Galloway. Seeing us out is Tommy Smith from the Scottish | :51:21. | :51:26. | |
National Jazz Orchestra, playing us out with Culludon Moor Suit. | :51:27. | :51:40. |