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An all-party basis. The President who promised to end the war on | :00:23. | :00:33. | |
terror appears to have embarked on another, President Obama says might | :00:34. | :00:37. | |
is the only way. There will be no reasoning or negotiation with this | :00:38. | :00:43. | |
random evil. The only language understood by killers like this is | :00:44. | :00:47. | |
force. How far will Britain go at America's side, the former | :00:48. | :00:49. | |
Attorney-General is here. How much money would a "Mansion Tax" | :00:50. | :00:55. | |
make under Labour, what would it do to the housing market in Ed | :00:56. | :00:58. | |
Miliband's borough, we have a candid assessment. It would crash, most | :00:59. | :01:06. | |
certainly. And jailed for watching a men's volley ball watch, a | :01:07. | :01:11. | |
British-Iranian woman is languishing in a notorious prison. We have an | :01:12. | :01:21. | |
interview with her brother. Good evening the divisions from the | :01:22. | :01:24. | |
last Iraq War over a decade ago have barely healed. But tonight Britain | :01:25. | :01:28. | |
stands on the brink of involvement in another war on terror. On Friday | :01:29. | :01:37. | |
MPs will debate in parliament air attacks on Iraq. The Prime Minister | :01:38. | :01:41. | |
says he's responding to a request from the Iraqi Government to support | :01:42. | :01:48. | |
the war on ISIS. I'm confident we will get it through parliament on an | :01:49. | :01:52. | |
all-party basis, it is right for the country to be united at this time. | :01:53. | :01:58. | |
We will be voting on taking part on national action against ISIL in | :01:59. | :02:03. | |
Iraq. If there was a suggestion of taking action in Syria, that would | :02:04. | :02:07. | |
be a separate parliamentary vote and debate. I want to be clear, we will | :02:08. | :02:10. | |
take action in the way I have set out. Allegra Stratton is here. It | :02:11. | :02:13. | |
feels from that language it is pretty much a done deal. Now about | :02:14. | :02:21. | |
24 hours it was not a done deal. The Tories had to wait until the Labour | :02:22. | :02:26. | |
conference was out of the way, and for Ed Miliband to assemble the | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
Shadow Cabinet and get agreement, they agreed they would support the | :02:32. | :02:35. | |
strikes. The reason there is such a feeling between the two parties is a | :02:36. | :02:40. | |
year ago Ed Miliband, David Cameron felt, gave assurances he would | :02:41. | :02:43. | |
support that action then and there was a sense that Ed Miliband did | :02:44. | :02:46. | |
reign nations. Until the Conservatives felt they got the | :02:47. | :02:49. | |
appearances today from Labour, they weren't going to bank on anything. | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
So are you expecting any rebellion on this, it is limited? It would be | :02:55. | :02:59. | |
very limited, of course there will be rebellion, there is still | :03:00. | :03:02. | |
soul-searching, it is not easy for many people on all sides of the | :03:03. | :03:08. | |
house. Labour MPs who have massive problems in their constituencies. | :03:09. | :03:12. | |
The questions on Friday people will be asking about is, will it be | :03:13. | :03:15. | |
lengthy air strikes. People this evening don't have the answer to the | :03:16. | :03:19. | |
questions. The reason why it will probably be straight forward is it | :03:20. | :03:23. | |
is incredibly limited. David Cameron wouldn't get action in Syria through | :03:24. | :03:26. | |
the House, so it is just limited to Iraq. But David Cameron himself | :03:27. | :03:30. | |
talked about Syria this evening, but also people that I have spoken to | :03:31. | :03:35. | |
have also said Syria comes round at some point soon, it is not going | :03:36. | :03:38. | |
away, we have to deal and think about this. Thank you very much. | :03:39. | :03:45. | |
Meanwhile in New York a President whose foreign policy has been | :03:46. | :03:52. | |
characterised as hesitant by critics had the UN call to war. He was unam | :03:53. | :03:57. | |
big arcs he called for a broad coalition to fight ISIS, and to | :03:58. | :04:01. | |
dismantle what he called the network of death. Today the leaders met with | :04:02. | :04:10. | |
Iran since the 1979 revolution about Islamic State. This is a new but not | :04:11. | :04:15. | |
all together convincing alliance introducing it to the world. | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
How important is this question of legality to the British Government? | :04:20. | :04:32. | |
Government legal advice is 100% sure that it would be legal for the UK to | :04:33. | :04:39. | |
start strikes tonight. Without any further endorsement, but then going | :04:40. | :04:41. | |
to parliament in what he described as a belt and braces option. In | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
other words, they feel that the letter given by the Iraqi Prime | :04:46. | :04:50. | |
Minister to the Security Council last night, asking for assistance, | :04:51. | :04:55. | |
provides the necessary invitation, the authorisation and the | :04:56. | :04:59. | |
legalisation of force. So quite interesting to see them talking in | :05:00. | :05:03. | |
those terms. Presumably they say so because they are confident of | :05:04. | :05:06. | |
getting through the Commons on Friday. | :05:07. | :05:14. | |
I called Obama's speech a "call to war" earlier today, how big does he | :05:15. | :05:18. | |
see this coalition getting? It is interesting, you know, even at the | :05:19. | :05:21. | |
weekend quite a lot of us were a little bit cynical about the | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
40-nation coalition. Would some of them be promising to look at | :05:26. | :05:28. | |
passports a bit more carefully. Then of course we saw the five gulf | :05:29. | :05:35. | |
states taking part, with combat careful over parts of Syria. Now we | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
hear the Netherlands, Denmark, Belgium, and possibly the UK are | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
going to join France among the other NATO countries who are willing to | :05:44. | :05:48. | |
get involved and do air strikes in Iraq. It is expanding, but it is | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
what they call a comprehensive strategy, there are other key parts | :05:54. | :05:56. | |
to it. None more so than the part supposed to be played by Turkey, in | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
that Security Council session tonight. The President of Turkey was | :06:01. | :06:06. | |
sitting there and part of it, he voted for steps that would cause him | :06:07. | :06:10. | |
to have to clampdown on militants going through his country. That is | :06:11. | :06:14. | |
an absolutely critical aspect of the strategy, put forward by President | :06:15. | :06:19. | |
Obama which has been the main theme today. President Obama has used this | :06:20. | :06:32. | |
week as a matter of the moment and laying out his views to world | :06:33. | :06:37. | |
politics. Key to that was his speech at the council, only the second time | :06:38. | :06:40. | |
a US President has chaired this body. He wanted to drive home the | :06:41. | :06:45. | |
seriousness of his new strategy against the so called Islamic State. | :06:46. | :06:55. | |
Our intelligence officers estimate more than 15 thousand fighters have | :06:56. | :06:58. | |
travelled there in the last 15 years. Many joining the Al-Qaeda | :06:59. | :07:04. | |
affiliates and ISIL, which threatens people across Syria and Iraq. | :07:05. | :07:08. | |
Earlier in the day he address the bigger audience, the General | :07:09. | :07:11. | |
Assembly and world opinion. He hit back at Russia for its behaviour in | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
Ukraine, and others for not doing enough to halt the spread of Ebola, | :07:17. | :07:21. | |
and what he called the cancer of terrorism. I have made it clear that | :07:22. | :07:26. | |
America will not base our entire foreign policy to reacting to | :07:27. | :07:30. | |
terrorism. Instead we waged a focus campaign against Al-Qaeda and its | :07:31. | :07:35. | |
associated forces, taking out their leaders, denying them the safe | :07:36. | :07:41. | |
havens they rely on. At the same time we have reaffirmed again and | :07:42. | :07:44. | |
again that the United States is not and will never be at war with Islam. | :07:45. | :07:50. | |
It was a confident eO'vagus, that might have annoyed Russia | :07:51. | :07:53. | |
It was a confident eO'vagus, that but found plenty of approval from | :07:54. | :07:59. | |
his powerful audience. How was President Obama's speech | :08:00. | :08:03. | |
secretary-general? Excellent. I took notes of a strong statement that the | :08:04. | :08:06. | |
only language understood by killers is the language of force. I fully | :08:07. | :08:12. | |
agree with the President that is why I think the international community | :08:13. | :08:17. | |
as a whole has a responsibility to stop the advance of the terrorist | :08:18. | :08:26. | |
organisation ISIL and eventually defeat it. Has the President | :08:27. | :08:30. | |
answered domestic crickets who say he has failed to lead in | :08:31. | :08:34. | |
international politics. That is unfair criticism, and whatever | :08:35. | :08:37. | |
domestic politics go on here, I can't really comment on those | :08:38. | :08:45. | |
efforts, but for from our point of view specifically dealing with the | :08:46. | :08:50. | |
issues we face in NATO, we are rather pleased with him. | :08:51. | :08:55. | |
The campaign against militants in Syria and Iraq now requires urgent | :08:56. | :08:58. | |
action from the broader coalition that America has gathered here, 40 | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
or so nation, on the fringes of that, still tight lipped, the UK. As | :09:04. | :09:20. | |
new the UK, Denmark and others must decide whether or not to strike | :09:21. | :09:23. | |
immediately. How important is it for them to do so. Other countries have | :09:24. | :09:32. | |
already done so. Is it necessary for them to do so? If you ask me in my | :09:33. | :09:36. | |
personal capacity, the answer is yes. I appreciate the United States | :09:37. | :09:42. | |
has taken the lead on this, I think the United States should be followed | :09:43. | :09:47. | |
by other NATO allies. It is the urgency of the Middle East crisis | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
that has defined the President's week here. Whatever other issues he | :09:52. | :09:58. | |
is juggling, and however much he prejects comparisons with his | :09:59. | :10:02. | |
predecessors. The President is receiving plain Detective Chief | :10:03. | :10:05. | |
Inspectors today, as a confident assertion of American leadership. | :10:06. | :10:09. | |
There is also something rather mournful about it, man who spent | :10:10. | :10:12. | |
five years trying to redefine America's relationship with the | :10:13. | :10:15. | |
Middle East and Islam, is now defaulting back to something very | :10:16. | :10:20. | |
similar to what George W Bush called his war on terror. | :10:21. | :10:25. | |
If that unending quest for security is a grim necessity, it is hardly | :10:26. | :10:34. | |
the kind of of idealism that US Presidents seek to inspire the | :10:35. | :10:37. | |
United Nations. With me now is Lord Malloch-Brown, | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
who was deputy General Secretary of the United Nationses in 2006, and | :10:42. | :10:46. | |
Conservative MP and chair of the defence elect committee Rory | :10:47. | :10:50. | |
Stewart. Welcome to you both. Rory Stewart, I'm wondering if you heard | :10:51. | :10:55. | |
a confident assertion of American leadership, from Obama's speech? It | :10:56. | :10:58. | |
is clear he wants to act. But there is still a lot of questions which he | :10:59. | :11:03. | |
himself poses again and again, which is, what next? He said two weeks ago | :11:04. | :11:07. | |
he didn't have a strategy, he now says he does. If you look carefully | :11:08. | :11:12. | |
at it, it doesn't yet go much beyond air strikes. The big question | :11:13. | :11:15. | |
remains the political question, how do you get the other regional people | :11:16. | :11:22. | |
involved, how do you deal with Islamic State and the Sunni | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
population. He has got the UK and regional powers, you would expect | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
the UK to follow suit presumably and agree to strikes? I think that is | :11:31. | :11:33. | |
likely, yes. If you were hearing the statements from Ed Miliband, and the | :11:34. | :11:36. | |
fact that what the Prime Minister is asking for is limited. He's not | :11:37. | :11:40. | |
asking for strikes in Syria. I would have thought the likelihood is | :11:41. | :11:43. | |
parliament will vote on Friday for strikes. The question of the | :11:44. | :11:46. | |
regional players is more complicated. You are absolutely | :11:47. | :11:49. | |
right, the strikes have taken place, but the funding is very important. | :11:50. | :11:52. | |
Downs like Turkey are very important. They haven't yet | :11:53. | :11:57. | |
participated. That is the biggest player on the Syrian Iraqi border, | :11:58. | :12:01. | |
we have to watch that awfully. On a UN level now, what is the process, | :12:02. | :12:06. | |
does this go round in circles looking for resolution like last | :12:07. | :12:10. | |
time? No, because actually a request by a country for support for its own | :12:11. | :12:14. | |
security, that's it. You actually don't need a Security Council | :12:15. | :12:19. | |
resolution, it is nice to have, but it is not necessary. Frankly nor is | :12:20. | :12:25. | |
it necessary for limited strikes on Syria if those strikes are aimed at | :12:26. | :12:30. | |
those hostile elements that are trying to undo the Iraq Government. | :12:31. | :12:36. | |
I mean that again falls under the umbrella of responding to requests | :12:37. | :12:39. | |
from the Iraqi Government to defend its security. Are we wrong to | :12:40. | :12:44. | |
isolate the one from the other? I think we are, the risk of striking | :12:45. | :12:47. | |
into Syria is we again, like with Libya or like with Iraq, in 200 #, | :12:48. | :12:55. | |
that a limited purpose gets dragged into a bigger regime change purpose, | :12:56. | :12:58. | |
and that would be wrong. But in terms of doing the job now, the | :12:59. | :13:05. | |
surgical strikes against ISIS in order to reduce and contain its | :13:06. | :13:08. | |
military effectiveness, I think we're sort of tying, unnecessarily | :13:09. | :13:14. | |
tying our hands behind our back. What about the whole question of the | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
UN Security Council, China and Russia, traditionally opposing what | :13:20. | :13:22. | |
the western powers do. That is not going to happen here, it is not even | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
going to go to council? As I say, I think like what will likely happen | :13:27. | :13:29. | |
is it will come to the council, because the Iraqis you know in part | :13:30. | :13:35. | |
address their plea to the council. My suspicion is it won't come to a | :13:36. | :13:41. | |
vote, because it will be talked out and extensively talked out, which | :13:42. | :13:44. | |
will allow the Russians and Chinese say it has been to the council, and | :13:45. | :13:47. | |
they have not been bypassed where it will avoid a situation where the | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
Russians feel obliged to veto. As I say, it is completely different to | :13:53. | :13:59. | |
Syria last year. That was attacks on a Government, which was still, | :14:00. | :14:02. | |
however ouch you dislike it the recognised Government of the | :14:03. | :14:05. | |
country. This is a response to a request by a Government to help | :14:06. | :14:09. | |
defend its territory. Do you think the defeat of ISIS is possible? It | :14:10. | :14:13. | |
is going to be very, very difficult. If everybody says the two things you | :14:14. | :14:16. | |
need are the regional players on side and the local population | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
against them, there is not much sign of that yet moving. And remember | :14:21. | :14:23. | |
there are going to be players who will disrupt this. It is not clear | :14:24. | :14:32. | |
really where in the end Iran, Russia, Syrian leadership will come | :14:33. | :14:40. | |
down. They will be worried, they can see Saudi, and others striking, you | :14:41. | :14:43. | |
will wonder where they will turn next. I don't think anybody who | :14:44. | :14:46. | |
pretends they can get rid of the Islamic State, as opposed to contain | :14:47. | :14:54. | |
them. We can get rid of their equipment, but get them out of | :14:55. | :15:00. | |
places like Raqqa, and Mosul, very difficult. It is easy to look back | :15:01. | :15:05. | |
at the places it could be involved, when you look at the political | :15:06. | :15:08. | |
problems President Obama face, was he wrong to pull out of the surge | :15:09. | :15:12. | |
when he came to power, does that seem fundamental to the issues now? | :15:13. | :15:17. | |
He made the right decision, it was difficult but the right decision. In | :15:18. | :15:19. | |
the end what we learned about the surge is it was not sustainable. It | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
was military move, how much they talked about politics, it was | :15:24. | :15:27. | |
military. And yet it is a mess now? It was inevitably going to be a | :15:28. | :15:31. | |
mess, unless you could sort out the politics in Baghdad, it didn't | :15:32. | :15:34. | |
matter you had #130E,000 troops on the ground and spending $100 million | :15:35. | :15:39. | |
a year, it was only going to last two or three years. The diplomacy | :15:40. | :15:43. | |
element between the US and the UK, clearly America will be happy to | :15:44. | :15:47. | |
have us on board as far as that goes tonight. But we are a minor player | :15:48. | :15:52. | |
aren't we? We have already put caveats on, how useful are we? There | :15:53. | :15:56. | |
may be some intelligence assets, Cyprus bases, other things which are | :15:57. | :16:01. | |
of a little bit more use than is immediately visible. But really the | :16:02. | :16:06. | |
utility of this is solidarity with the United States. Solidarity with | :16:07. | :16:12. | |
the international community and in response to Iraq's requests. The | :16:13. | :16:16. | |
marginal military value is limited. I think the risk is, even when the | :16:17. | :16:22. | |
UK went in as an alleged equal partner in 2003 in Iraq, we actually | :16:23. | :16:27. | |
quickly found that we were a junior partner, and the strategy was | :16:28. | :16:30. | |
determined in Washington. More so this time. And the real core risk | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
here is that we get dragged into a long conflict. The surge didn't end | :16:36. | :16:40. | |
too soon to pick up on what Rory was saying, you know, what it | :16:41. | :16:44. | |
demonstrated instead was that there aren't military solutions in this | :16:45. | :16:48. | |
region, and we shouldn't fall back into the trap of believing there | :16:49. | :16:50. | |
are. We have learned tonight that amongst | :16:51. | :16:57. | |
those killed in the strikes, last night were British-born Jihadis, | :16:58. | :17:00. | |
Secunder Kermani has more. Tell us what you know? We heard about a | :17:01. | :17:05. | |
19-year-old from Brighton who travelled to Syria in February. We | :17:06. | :17:09. | |
believe he was killed in a US air strike outside the city of Aleppo on | :17:10. | :17:12. | |
Monday evening. We also believe that he was part of the Al-Qaeda | :17:13. | :17:19. | |
affiliated group. His mother spoke to the BBC earlier tonight and she | :17:20. | :17:24. | |
said she had no idea how he became radicalised. I'm just saying whoever | :17:25. | :17:29. | |
was responsible brain-washing my son, to take this kind of measure, | :17:30. | :17:35. | |
to go there, hall will judge between me and then on the day of judgment. | :17:36. | :17:42. | |
I have a source and he told me that was not the only British citizen to | :17:43. | :17:47. | |
die in the air strikes. He told me three other men, all of Bengali | :17:48. | :17:54. | |
heritage, all from London were also killed alongside Syrian and Dutch | :17:55. | :17:57. | |
fighters. America says it was targeting in the air strikes a group | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
plotting attacks on western interests. My source told me these | :18:02. | :18:06. | |
men had travelled to fight against the regime of Assad, which is | :18:07. | :18:10. | |
accused of widespread atrocities of the Syrian population. The group | :18:11. | :18:14. | |
they were part of, it is part of Al-Qaeda, it is a Jihadist | :18:15. | :18:22. | |
organisation, but it is also a lot less extreme than Islamic State, | :18:23. | :18:27. | |
ISIS, in some places in Syria it has been fighting against ISIS. I spoke | :18:28. | :18:33. | |
to a member of the moderate Syrian opposition outside Aleppo, a group | :18:34. | :18:38. | |
pro-democracy, anti-Assad and anti-ISIS. He fears that the US | :18:39. | :18:44. | |
strikes against this Al-Qaeda group will push them into a Jihadist | :18:45. | :18:47. | |
alliance with ISIS, that would make the lives of him and others in the | :18:48. | :18:50. | |
democratic opposition more difficult. | :18:51. | :18:56. | |
A few months ago there was let's say troubles or problems between these | :18:57. | :19:04. | |
two sections of Al-Qaeda. They will join each other to fight against | :19:05. | :19:11. | |
let's say the people supporting the Allies. A French hostage was killed | :19:12. | :19:17. | |
by a group also linked to ISIL what do we know about that today? A 55 | :19:18. | :19:23. | |
-year-old French man hiking in Algeria, kidnapped over the weekend | :19:24. | :19:26. | |
by a Jihadist group that declared its support for ISIS. They | :19:27. | :19:32. | |
threatened to kill this man, Herve Gourdel, if France continued its | :19:33. | :19:36. | |
support for America and other western air strikes against ISIS in | :19:37. | :19:42. | |
Syria. But today they released a video of his beheading, the French | :19:43. | :19:45. | |
President, Francois Hollande, said it was a cruel and cowardly act but | :19:46. | :19:50. | |
felt that France would not give into blackmail like this. Thank you very | :19:51. | :19:53. | |
much indeed. Let's take all the threads that we have heard this | :19:54. | :19:57. | |
evening so far and cross to York once more, we can speak to Marie | :19:58. | :20:02. | |
Harf of the US State Department, who speaks from there. Thank you very | :20:03. | :20:06. | |
much for joining us, we appreciate your time. Your response to | :20:07. | :20:09. | |
Britain's position tonight, can you fight ISIS in Iraq and not in Syria? | :20:10. | :20:20. | |
A few points we know ISIL has grown strong in Iraq, that is why the | :20:21. | :20:23. | |
United States has taken direct military action against them there. | :20:24. | :20:25. | |
A key part of the strategy is pushing them back from the territory | :20:26. | :20:29. | |
they have already taken in Iraq. We obviously know there is a key point | :20:30. | :20:34. | |
of the tragedy that involves Syria, that is why we have taken action in | :20:35. | :20:38. | |
Syria. Each country will make their own decisions on being part of the | :20:39. | :20:41. | |
coalition, not all of that is military, a lot of it will be | :20:42. | :20:43. | |
nonmilitary. Things we need other people to do. It seems extraordinary | :20:44. | :20:52. | |
that in 2009 Obama came with the new chapter in US international | :20:53. | :20:54. | |
relations and the language tonight is pretty much a call of war. Is | :20:55. | :20:59. | |
there acceptance now that the only way to fight terror is militarily. ? | :21:00. | :21:06. | |
I think you have seen the President, this President, President Obama, | :21:07. | :21:11. | |
throughout his whole entire administration take the threat to | :21:12. | :21:13. | |
terrorists when they threaten the United States. If you look at | :21:14. | :21:20. | |
Al-Qaeda in packs stand and Afghans -- Pakistan, and Afghanistan. He has | :21:21. | :21:24. | |
never hesitate today take action. This is the next phase in the war | :21:25. | :21:28. | |
against the Jihadists who are trying to kill Americans and other people | :21:29. | :21:31. | |
in the region. This was the man who defied the words of John McCain, | :21:32. | :21:36. | |
when he was running for President, stopped the surge, pulled the | :21:37. | :21:40. | |
soldiers out, at a time when they could have stopped the mess that we | :21:41. | :21:45. | |
are in now, isn't that the legacy? Not at all. The war we are going to | :21:46. | :21:49. | |
be undertaking against ISIL looks nothing like the war that the | :21:50. | :21:52. | |
previous administration went to in Iraq. These are wholly different | :21:53. | :21:57. | |
military operations. What we are undertaking is targeted counter | :21:58. | :21:59. | |
terrorism operations against a group. I would agree with your | :22:00. | :22:02. | |
previous guest that nothing militarily we could have done would | :22:03. | :22:07. | |
have prevented this rise of ISIL, there was a political vacuum in Iraq | :22:08. | :22:10. | |
that led to sectarianism and the breakdown we saw in the Iraqi | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
security forces. That is what we are trying to come back from right now | :22:15. | :22:18. | |
and helping the Iraqis. It is interesting when you talk about | :22:19. | :22:20. | |
targeted military operations. I don't know if you heard our | :22:21. | :22:24. | |
correspondent just then, who said, look, the US has targetedies | :22:25. | :22:29. | |
circumstance but it issing will -- targeted ISIS, but also groups like | :22:30. | :22:38. | |
other groups fighting ISIS. You have to be watchful if you are pushing | :22:39. | :22:43. | |
two groups closer together to create a greater ISIS force? That is a | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
simplistic reading of the situation. When we decide who to go for in | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
Iraq, whatever group, they have to present a threat to the United | :22:53. | :22:56. | |
States or our partners. It has to meet that criteria. So we believe | :22:57. | :22:59. | |
these all presented threats to us or Iraq, that is why we took the | :23:00. | :23:02. | |
action, that is the standard we use going forward. Realistically, and we | :23:03. | :23:06. | |
know that President Obama has said this is just the beginning, this | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
will amount to boots on the ground in some form, won't it? Not American | :23:11. | :23:17. | |
boots on the ground in combat roles, we have been very clear about that. | :23:18. | :23:21. | |
The boots on the ground we need are the Iraqi security force, the | :23:22. | :23:24. | |
Kurdish forces, to get back on their feet, that is what we are helping | :23:25. | :23:27. | |
them do, and also the Syrian opposition, that we are supporting, | :23:28. | :23:31. | |
through a train and equip programme to help a moderate opposition force | :23:32. | :23:36. | |
grow there. To be clear there will be no American boots in a role in | :23:37. | :23:40. | |
combat, the President has been very clear about that. | :23:41. | :23:49. | |
The inquiry e into the last Iraq War wasn't been finished, Lord Goldsmith | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
was accused of changing his advice on the legality of military action | :23:54. | :23:57. | |
days before the invasion. What would Dominic Grieve make of the same | :23:58. | :24:01. | |
question this time round, the Attorney General. It is more | :24:02. | :24:05. | |
straight forward this time round? Very much so in so far as the | :24:06. | :24:11. | |
request of the Iraqi Government for azest tense. They are en-- | :24:12. | :24:15. | |
assistance. They are entitled to ask for assistance. There is internal | :24:16. | :24:20. | |
armed conflict in parts of northern Iraq. In addition there seems to be | :24:21. | :24:23. | |
some evidence that some of the attacks are spilling over the border | :24:24. | :24:27. | |
to Syria, they are entitled to invoke the right to self-defence. As | :24:28. | :24:31. | |
long as the Prime Minister considers that the United Kingdom can help in | :24:32. | :24:41. | |
that, and that we can use reasonable, necessary and | :24:42. | :24:44. | |
proportionate means to stop unlawful activity taking place. So long as he | :24:45. | :24:48. | |
also pays close attention to ensuring that the law of war is | :24:49. | :24:53. | |
observed. International humanitarian law which is a challenge when you | :24:54. | :24:57. | |
deal with partners who don't always accept proper human rights | :24:58. | :25:00. | |
standards. Then the intervention by ourselves or anybody else in support | :25:01. | :25:03. | |
of the Iraqi Government will undoubtedly be lawful. Why then | :25:04. | :25:07. | |
would he rule out Syria from what you have just said? I think Syria is | :25:08. | :25:12. | |
more complicated. There are grounds on which we could OK properly | :25:13. | :25:15. | |
intervene in Syria to begin with, there is no doubt that the Iraqi | :25:16. | :25:18. | |
Government, if they are being attacked from across the Syrian | :25:19. | :25:22. | |
border by IS are entitled to go across into Syria in order to stop | :25:23. | :25:28. | |
those attacks. Just to make that clear, if we don't follow up action | :25:29. | :25:33. | |
in Syria, what we're essentially doing is an operation to get ISIS | :25:34. | :25:37. | |
out of Iraq and nothing more? There is no doubt that getting ISIS out of | :25:38. | :25:48. | |
Iraq is one legal framework. But militarily very ineffective? Quite | :25:49. | :25:52. | |
possibly. We know from what the United States is doing they are | :25:53. | :25:55. | |
taking military action in Syria as well. I think it is right that | :25:56. | :25:59. | |
military action in Syria comes under a rather different legal framework. | :26:00. | :26:03. | |
But that is not to say it would be improper, but the Prime Minister | :26:04. | :26:08. | |
would need to be satisfied that different criteria were met before | :26:09. | :26:11. | |
doing it. And there is the problem about the Syrian Government itself. | :26:12. | :26:15. | |
The Prime Minister has made it clear, for very good reasons that he | :26:16. | :26:18. | |
doesn't wish to engage with the Syrian Government, because its own | :26:19. | :26:23. | |
reputation in terms of human rights violations is so appalling. But they | :26:24. | :26:29. | |
are de facto the Government of Syria, although they the writ | :26:30. | :26:33. | |
doesn't run in the areas where the military operation also likely to | :26:34. | :26:40. | |
take place. It is about the intervening and the consequences in | :26:41. | :26:43. | |
creating a vacuum, and whether at that stage it wouldn't be better to | :26:44. | :26:45. | |
involve the United Nations and act on a UN resolution. When you talk | :26:46. | :26:50. | |
about criteria you are saying you wouldn't do Syria without through | :26:51. | :26:55. | |
the whole chapter and verse on the UN resolution? I'm not saying you | :26:56. | :26:59. | |
have to have one to go in. If you didn't consider you could get a | :27:00. | :27:03. | |
suitable UN resolution in Syria, you could take action under the doctrine | :27:04. | :27:11. | |
of humanitarian necessity, if it was preventing Kurdish villages being | :27:12. | :27:15. | |
wiped out or other minorities, genocide being committed against | :27:16. | :27:18. | |
them. As I say the Iraqi Government is entitled to take military action | :27:19. | :27:22. | |
across the border if the attacks are coming KR from across the border. | :27:23. | :27:27. | |
There is no doubt that the Iraqis' allies can act in concert with them | :27:28. | :27:31. | |
for that purpose. If America is already in Syria what does that say | :27:32. | :27:35. | |
about the legality, are they doing something illegal that we are not | :27:36. | :27:39. | |
following, or is it OK for them but not for us? The United States, I | :27:40. | :27:42. | |
think, has always approached these matters in a slightly different way | :27:43. | :27:47. | |
from the way we do ourselves. Just listening to the lady from the state | :27:48. | :27:50. | |
department a moment ago. She made quite clear that under the doctrine | :27:51. | :27:55. | |
that the United States has had, ever since the 9/11, it will pursue | :27:56. | :28:00. | |
Al-Qaeda and its affiliates anywhere in the world. Including against the, | :28:01. | :28:05. | |
if a Government won't co-operate with them, it will do it whether or | :28:06. | :28:08. | |
not that Government wants it. Some of the interventions in Syria are | :28:09. | :28:12. | |
almost certainly taking place under that heading. Others may be taking | :28:13. | :28:16. | |
place under a different heading, but the United States has never | :28:17. | :28:22. | |
clarified its view as to whether the doctrine of humanitarian necessity | :28:23. | :28:25. | |
is one it embraces. It undoubtedly does it in reality, but it has never | :28:26. | :28:29. | |
actually explained it in legal terms. Is your gut feeling from a | :28:30. | :28:34. | |
moral interventionist perspective that David Cameron would want to go | :28:35. | :28:38. | |
into Syria and we probably will? I don't think I can answer it. The | :28:39. | :28:44. | |
Prime Minister has a two-fold issue tomorrow, firstly he has to persuade | :28:45. | :28:48. | |
parliament, not so much about the morality, I think most | :28:49. | :28:50. | |
parliamentarians looking at what is going on must conclude it is | :28:51. | :28:53. | |
difficult to think of anything much worse than IS. That's the | :28:54. | :28:57. | |
difference, isn't it, between this and last year where there w anxiety | :28:58. | :29:05. | |
that destroying President Assad would bring something worse. Do you | :29:06. | :29:08. | |
think we could go into Syria? There is a proper basis for the United | :29:09. | :29:13. | |
Kingdom to go into Syria, but I want to emphasise that base has to be | :29:14. | :29:17. | |
established. I don't have the intelligence. Quite apart from | :29:18. | :29:21. | |
anything else, it would be the law officers who would have to consider | :29:22. | :29:25. | |
that, and I wouldn't in any way prejudge that issue. There are | :29:26. | :29:28. | |
circumstances which in my view it would be proper to intervene in | :29:29. | :29:33. | |
Syria. Thank you very much indeed. Now, much has been made of the stuff | :29:34. | :29:39. | |
that Ed Miliband left out of yesterday's speech. Perhaps | :29:40. | :29:41. | |
obscuring the stuff that he put in. One of the bolder or riskier ones | :29:42. | :29:54. | |
were the "Mansion Tax". What would the cash raised buy for the NHS. We | :29:55. | :30:04. | |
have been crunching the numbers. This is probably what you think of | :30:05. | :30:09. | |
when you hear the word "mansion", but in London property have risen so | :30:10. | :30:15. | |
much in the past years, that homes like this will be caught in the ?2 | :30:16. | :30:20. | |
million limit. This is how it rolled in Camden, near Ed Miliband's old | :30:21. | :30:29. | |
home. And the former Prime Minister. But he couldn't afford to live here | :30:30. | :30:33. | |
now. The basement and this bit is going for ?1. 5 million. The levy | :30:34. | :30:40. | |
would raise ?1. 2 billion, that is ?11,000 for each home worth more | :30:41. | :30:44. | |
than ?2 million. The proposed tax would be progressive, four bands | :30:45. | :30:47. | |
being charged in increasing amounts. Around 80% of the homes affected | :30:48. | :31:03. | |
would be in London. In fact, just three borough, Kensington and | :31:04. | :31:05. | |
Chelsea, Westminster and Camden would pay around two thirds of the | :31:06. | :31:10. | |
total bill. Although even in London, ?2 million properties are hardly the | :31:11. | :31:16. | |
norm. The same architect that designed these did several around | :31:17. | :31:20. | |
North London only worth up to ?500,000. It is just by Vertonghen | :31:21. | :31:30. | |
it -- virtue of the area. 30% of the properties affected by the "Mansion | :31:31. | :31:39. | |
Tax" are detatched houses, the rest are semi-detatched, terraces and | :31:40. | :31:40. | |
flats. The tricky part of the tax is valuing homes. Newsnight understands | :31:41. | :31:42. | |
that Labour are considering using the method applied to the called | :31:43. | :31:46. | |
annual tax on enveloped properties, introduced by the Chancellor. Since | :31:47. | :31:51. | |
2013, if you have owned a property worth more than ?2 million through a | :31:52. | :31:55. | |
company, then every year you had to get that property valued and submit | :31:56. | :31:59. | |
that valuation to the Government. They then present you with a tax | :32:00. | :32:04. | |
bill. If you submit a number that turns out to be wrong and the | :32:05. | :32:08. | |
Government challenge you. You don't just have to pay the tax bill but a | :32:09. | :32:12. | |
substantial penalty. It is this system that Labour are looking to | :32:13. | :32:17. | |
roll out to all properties worth more than ?2 million. At the moment | :32:18. | :32:21. | |
only 1,000 properties a year are subject to this valuation procedure, | :32:22. | :32:26. | |
expanding that to over 100,000 might be tricky. Aside from surveyor, the | :32:27. | :32:31. | |
big beneficiary of the policy is supposed to be the NHS. Labour have | :32:32. | :32:38. | |
pledged to set aside ?2. 5 billion for an NHS Time to Care fund, this | :32:39. | :32:45. | |
is compared to an NHS budget of ?100 billion. They say it would pay for | :32:46. | :32:52. | |
3,000 midwives, 5,000 care workers, 8,000 GPs and 20,000 nurses. In our | :32:53. | :32:56. | |
view you need more than ?2. 5 billion. We think something between | :32:57. | :33:01. | |
?4-?5 billion extra a year over the next ten years would be sufficient | :33:02. | :33:06. | |
to sustain the NHS in good standards of patient care and to support the | :33:07. | :33:11. | |
investment we desperately need in transforming how care is delivered. | :33:12. | :33:15. | |
More care closer to home. More emphasis on prevention, less | :33:16. | :33:18. | |
reliance on hospitals, that's what we all want to see. | :33:19. | :33:23. | |
Even if Labour have found way to make the "Mansion Tax" work. Health | :33:24. | :33:26. | |
economists doubt that it alone would be enough to cover the NHS needs. | :33:27. | :33:35. | |
The Sturgeon is a different creature to the salmon, lower profile, not | :33:36. | :33:40. | |
known for its leaping displace, but the SNP's deputy leader suggested if | :33:41. | :33:45. | |
she was successfully elected for the party's new leader, the struggle for | :33:46. | :33:50. | |
independence would condition. Nicola Sturgeon declared her candidacy for | :33:51. | :33:53. | |
the post, and said the independence question could be re-opened in as | :33:54. | :33:57. | |
little as five years, if London failed to deliver on promises to | :33:58. | :34:02. | |
Scotland. She gave this interview. If Alex Salmond symbolised the | :34:03. | :34:05. | |
nationalists before September 18th, then Nicola Sturgeon is the face of | :34:06. | :34:10. | |
the future. Barring an unforeseen challenge, she will certainly be the | :34:11. | :34:14. | |
first female First Minister of Scotland, and today although she | :34:15. | :34:19. | |
praised her predecessor, she made it clear she is her own woman. We would | :34:20. | :34:24. | |
not have come so far as a nation without Alex's vision, tenacity and | :34:25. | :34:27. | |
statesmanship, but the challenges and opportunities of tomorrow | :34:28. | :34:31. | |
require a different approach. They will demand the ability not just to | :34:32. | :34:34. | |
argue case with determination and conviction, but also to reach out, | :34:35. | :34:39. | |
to work with others and seek common cause on the issues that unite us. | :34:40. | :34:44. | |
Everything has changed so quickly in a country which has deliberated and | :34:45. | :34:48. | |
debated the referendum for nigh on two years. It was just six days ago | :34:49. | :34:54. | |
that Scotland was in a frenzy of excitement on referendum day. It was | :34:55. | :34:58. | |
the broadest and deepest political engagment I have ever known in | :34:59. | :35:01. | |
Scotland, and the discourse was passionate and in the main | :35:02. | :35:07. | |
harmonious, even though families and friends were often split between yes | :35:08. | :35:13. | |
and no. The turnout, 84. 5% was a testament to people's involvement in | :35:14. | :35:21. | |
democracy. The world was watching. There is a sense that since the vote | :35:22. | :35:25. | |
Scotland has changed, for some teenagers who voted for | :35:26. | :35:28. | |
independence, there is a new campaign, the generation yes | :35:29. | :35:31. | |
movement. The ranks of the SNP have swelled to make the third largest | :35:32. | :35:35. | |
party in the UK. And for the unionist, devolution is on the move. | :35:36. | :35:39. | |
And as Alex Salmond said, the coalition's feet will be held to the | :35:40. | :35:43. | |
fire to cement new powers for Scotland. | :35:44. | :35:48. | |
Nicola Sturgeon, a former lawyer and formidable brain has said she will | :35:49. | :35:52. | |
co-operate with the Swift Commission on devolution. You think you might | :35:53. | :35:57. | |
be keen to vote? Her belief in independence is unshakeable and goes | :35:58. | :36:02. | |
back to her membership of the party at the age of 16, when I was | :36:03. | :36:06. | |
politicised by the unemployment and industrial decline in her native | :36:07. | :36:10. | |
Ayrshire in the Thatcher years. It is not just in the Scottish | :36:11. | :36:15. | |
Parliament Nicola Sturgeon wants to pursue greater Home Rule, she wants | :36:16. | :36:18. | |
to up the engagment with parliament. At the moment there are six SNP, MPs | :36:19. | :36:25. | |
they don't vote on legislation, she's determined to build on the | :36:26. | :36:28. | |
Scottish vote and increase the number of MPs. Nicola Sturgeon says | :36:29. | :36:31. | |
Gordon Brown, speaking with the authority of the Conservatives, the | :36:32. | :36:35. | |
Liberal Democrats and Labour, made a clear and unmistakable promise. The | :36:36. | :36:39. | |
package to be delivered by January next year is to be Home Rule and | :36:40. | :36:43. | |
something near to federalism. The question is, what will the new First | :36:44. | :36:47. | |
Minister of Scotland do if they fail to deliver on that promise. Nicola | :36:48. | :36:55. | |
Sturgeon spoke to Kirsty in the Scottish Parliament in Edinburgh. | :36:56. | :36:59. | |
Barring a thunder bolt, you will be First Minister of Scotlands? Never | :37:00. | :37:05. | |
discount the possibility of a thunder bolt! It is fair to say on | :37:06. | :37:08. | |
the night you thought you won the vote? I campaigned all day in | :37:09. | :37:12. | |
Glasgow and we did in Glasgow, I believed we were going to win. I | :37:13. | :37:15. | |
think it is fair to say those of us involved in the yes campaign thought | :37:16. | :37:18. | |
for the last few days of the campaign we were on course to win. | :37:19. | :37:22. | |
We did very well. Were you preparing for negotiations? We had been | :37:23. | :37:25. | |
preparing in the Scottish Government for some time to make sure that we | :37:26. | :37:28. | |
were as prepared as possible if there was a yes vote. I felt huge | :37:29. | :37:33. | |
disappointment on the night. Not disappointment just for myself, but | :37:34. | :37:37. | |
disappointment for the 1. 6 million people across Scotland who voted | :37:38. | :37:42. | |
yes. It is interesting, right up to the first poll that came out after | :37:43. | :37:45. | |
the vote close you thought you had won? I thought we had won, | :37:46. | :37:48. | |
absolutely. You said this morning you would take a different approach | :37:49. | :37:52. | |
to Alex Salmond, what does that actually mean? What that means is | :37:53. | :37:56. | |
recognising that the different time we have moved into now in Scotland | :37:57. | :38:00. | |
demands a different approach. So, yes, I will argue my corner, I will | :38:01. | :38:06. | |
argue it passionately, I will argue it with determination like Alex | :38:07. | :38:10. | |
would have done, but I will try to try to reach out across the party | :38:11. | :38:15. | |
divide and those who are now politically engaged and not in | :38:16. | :38:18. | |
political parties and try to focus on not just what divides us, there | :38:19. | :38:23. | |
is a real focus in Scotland on the yes and no and what we disagree, | :38:24. | :38:27. | |
that is understandable. Is that embargo Alex Salmond was quite | :38:28. | :38:32. | |
pugnacious? He was a great man and great friend, I won't sit here and | :38:33. | :38:36. | |
pick holes in his character. Different times demand different | :38:37. | :38:41. | |
skills. I want to try to have an inclusive style of leadership. Do | :38:42. | :38:44. | |
you accept that the majority of people in Scotland, as of now don't | :38:45. | :38:49. | |
want independence? We didn't win the referendum. Do you think as Alex | :38:50. | :38:52. | |
Salmond seems to think, that this issue is over for a generation? | :38:53. | :38:56. | |
Circumstances and the mood of the people of Scotland will term if and | :38:57. | :39:00. | |
when there is another referendum. I don't think any politician, even if | :39:01. | :39:04. | |
they wanted to, can set a limit on the ambition of the Scottish people. | :39:05. | :39:07. | |
I'm not planning another referendum right now. We have just had one. But | :39:08. | :39:10. | |
circumstances will dictate what happens in the future. So you are | :39:11. | :39:14. | |
not planning a referendum soon, but do you rule it out for example in | :39:15. | :39:18. | |
the next five years? I won't rule it out or in. The fundamental point I'm | :39:19. | :39:23. | |
making here is that it is not in the gift of politicians to say to the | :39:24. | :39:26. | |
Scottish people you will not for five or ten years, no matter the | :39:27. | :39:30. | |
circumstances, get the chance to say that you want to make a different | :39:31. | :39:35. | |
decision. You have said that what Gordon Brown promised on behalf of | :39:36. | :39:39. | |
Labour, Liberal Democrats and Conservatives was Home Rule towards | :39:40. | :39:43. | |
federalism. What do you actually mean by that? It is now for us all | :39:44. | :39:47. | |
to define what that means, I'm very clear what I mean. I think we need | :39:48. | :39:51. | |
powers in Scotland that allow us, as a parliament, to create jobs to grow | :39:52. | :39:56. | |
our economy, to make sure that we can tackle better the inequality | :39:57. | :40:01. | |
that scars our nation. I met with Lord Smith yesterday who will lead | :40:02. | :40:04. | |
this process, I have indicate today him that we will be active | :40:05. | :40:07. | |
participants in this process for change. What are you actually going | :40:08. | :40:11. | |
to ask for? We will be looking for the maximum powers over tax, we will | :40:12. | :40:14. | |
be looking for substantial powers over welfare. We will be look for | :40:15. | :40:20. | |
powers that give the parliament greater fiscal responsibility and | :40:21. | :40:23. | |
accountability. We will look for powers that enable the Scottish | :40:24. | :40:25. | |
Parliament on issues that are devolved to us to speak up in Europe | :40:26. | :40:31. | |
on these issues. Do you think, as one of your MSPs has been blogging | :40:32. | :40:36. | |
that you should go into the general election on a devo max ticket. By | :40:37. | :40:43. | |
that I mean everything devolved bar foreign affairs, defence and | :40:44. | :40:46. | |
macro-economics? We will be campaigning from now until the | :40:47. | :40:50. | |
general election to make sure that the substance and the rhetoric of | :40:51. | :40:54. | |
what is delivered matches what was promised. We did have language used | :40:55. | :40:59. | |
during the final stages of the referendum campaign, of devo max, of | :41:00. | :41:03. | |
near federalism, Home Rule. That has to be delivered. This scenario was | :41:04. | :41:08. | |
talked about a lot during the referendum campaign, that there is | :41:09. | :41:12. | |
an in coming Conservative Government committed to a referendum on Europe. | :41:13. | :41:16. | |
In the course of that referendum, England votes to leave and Scotland | :41:17. | :41:20. | |
votes to stay. Do you think that would be seen as a UK-wide single | :41:21. | :41:25. | |
return, it is a were, or do you think that there would be grounds | :41:26. | :41:29. | |
then for going after a referendum for independence? That is one of the | :41:30. | :41:33. | |
circumstances that would make many people in Scotland think it was time | :41:34. | :41:37. | |
to think again. In your opinion do you think people in Scotland would | :41:38. | :41:40. | |
want to leave Europe? No. I don't think people in Scotland would want | :41:41. | :41:48. | |
to leave Europe. SNP MPs don't vote on English legislation should Labour | :41:49. | :41:52. | |
MPs be doing the same? If I was English I would see the great | :41:53. | :41:55. | |
argument for the fact that on English issues Scottish MPs don't | :41:56. | :42:01. | |
vote. What I don't think think is acceptable, given the promises made | :42:02. | :42:05. | |
is what David Cameron suggested in the early hours of Friday morning is | :42:06. | :42:11. | |
that issue should run in tandem to deliver the promise made to | :42:12. | :42:16. | |
Scotland. The promise made was made unconditionally. Do you believe you | :42:17. | :42:19. | |
will be the First Minister of an independent Scotland one day? I | :42:20. | :42:22. | |
would love to think so, but that is in the hand of the Scottish people. | :42:23. | :42:25. | |
I will focus for the meantime on my campaign to be the First Minister of | :42:26. | :42:29. | |
the devolved Government, I think that is probably what I should focus | :42:30. | :42:32. | |
on at the moment. Thank you very much much. Where It is nearly three | :42:33. | :42:37. | |
months since a British Iranian woman was thrown into jail in Tehran. Her | :42:38. | :42:42. | |
crime, watching a men's volley ball match. Ghoncheh Ghavami is in a | :42:43. | :42:49. | |
notorious prison. She believed the rule over women spectators had been | :42:50. | :42:53. | |
overturned. Her plea fell on deaf ears. We caught up with her brother | :42:54. | :42:58. | |
Iman. Three months ago this London law | :42:59. | :43:02. | |
graduate had a great deal to look forward to. But for the last 87 days | :43:03. | :43:08. | |
she has been held in Tehran's notorious prison. Nearly half of | :43:09. | :43:15. | |
that in solitary confinement. Dwarf Ghoncheh Ghavami was apparently | :43:16. | :43:17. | |
taunted by prison officers who said she wouldn't get out alive. Her | :43:18. | :43:23. | |
crime, watching volley ball. Her family are desperate. She's a very | :43:24. | :43:29. | |
energetic, passionate 25-year-old woman. Her plan was to visit family | :43:30. | :43:38. | |
and do some volunteering with street kids. She was actually working | :43:39. | :43:41. | |
volunteering with street kids and teaching them how to read and write, | :43:42. | :43:46. | |
I think that was the highlight of her stay at that point in Tehran. | :43:47. | :43:52. | |
That was the joy of being half British, half Iranian. She flitted | :43:53. | :43:56. | |
between her home in west London and her parents' place in Iran. All that | :43:57. | :44:01. | |
changed on June 20th. With thousands of others, she went to watch the | :44:02. | :44:06. | |
national theme play at the stadium. -- national team play at the | :44:07. | :44:13. | |
stadium. Iman says his sister thought a ban on women watching | :44:14. | :44:17. | |
men's volley ball was lifted, she was wrong. She was arrested and | :44:18. | :44:20. | |
questioned for four hours. Days later when she returned to a police | :44:21. | :44:24. | |
station to collect her things, she was arrested again and thrown in | :44:25. | :44:28. | |
jail. The authorities took my dad and her home and they confiscated | :44:29. | :44:36. | |
her books, her phone, iPad, two or three laptops and they took and we | :44:37. | :44:42. | |
didn't hear from her for the next 11 days. After 11 days she made a phone | :44:43. | :44:48. | |
call and we found out that she was being kept at the prison. My parents | :44:49. | :44:53. | |
were devastated. My mum she is restless all the time, my dad, I | :44:54. | :44:57. | |
mean, he has aged like ten years in the past three months. This is | :44:58. | :45:02. | |
Ghoncheh Ghavami in June last year on an Iranian election day, her | :45:03. | :45:06. | |
finger inked like that of the man she wanted to become President, | :45:07. | :45:15. | |
Hasan Rouhani. Now her family hope they can end her nightmare. Do you | :45:16. | :45:21. | |
think the British diplomats might hesitate because of the country's | :45:22. | :45:26. | |
role in the region? My his Sister's case has nothing to do with | :45:27. | :45:30. | |
politics, it is more of a human story, all we want is to bring her | :45:31. | :45:36. | |
back home. So you might think it ideal that Rouhani and David Cameron | :45:37. | :45:39. | |
should meet today. Although the Prime Minister expressed concern | :45:40. | :45:42. | |
about the case, her family fear the British won't want to be too | :45:43. | :45:48. | |
critical. The west is wooing Iran right now, they have a common enemy, | :45:49. | :45:55. | |
so called Islamic State. I think they want to arrest and keep her in | :45:56. | :46:03. | |
prison for 85 days. And 41 days in solitary confinement, purely for | :46:04. | :46:07. | |
attending a match. This week, finally, she was charged with | :46:08. | :46:12. | |
propaganda against the state. Her brother travelled to New York in the | :46:13. | :46:16. | |
hope of meeting President Rouhani, thus far he has been illusive. Let | :46:17. | :46:23. | |
me just take you through the papers before we go. The Times has | :46:24. | :46:30. | |
Cameron's call to arms for bar on barbarians. | :46:31. | :47:14. | |
That's it, as you saw the news today, the Dowager Duchess of | :47:15. | :47:21. | |
Devonshire, the last surviving Mitford sister has died. She gave | :47:22. | :47:25. | |
one of her last interviews to Newsnight four years ago. We leave | :47:26. | :47:37. | |
you with a brief exchange. You must have been the only woman in | :47:38. | :47:41. | |
the world who danced with JFK as a young man, and within months took | :47:42. | :47:46. | |
tea with Hitler? Isn't it extraordinary for that to have | :47:47. | :47:49. | |
happened to you? Isn't it strange, but that is the sort of thing that | :47:50. | :47:56. | |
did happen. | :47:57. | :48:04. |