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Tonight, Newsnight is live in Paris, as we piece together what happened | :00:13. | :00:13. | |
in the worst terror attrocity in France's modern history. | :00:14. | :00:16. | |
We hear from survivors and the injured of the Bataclan | :00:17. | :00:20. | |
And this evening, the first details are emerging of the attackers - | :00:21. | :00:25. | |
As global leaders meet to discuss their strategy, | :00:26. | :00:36. | |
A city reeling from the events of just 24 hours ago. | :00:37. | :00:52. | |
The curfew has now been lifted, but it doesn't feel as if it has. | :00:53. | :01:00. | |
and there's a sense even from the authorities of unfinished business - | :01:01. | :01:04. | |
It was a night of unfolding horror here. Simultaneous shootings and | :01:05. | :01:22. | |
explosions rang out across Paris. Three blasts took place near the | :01:23. | :01:26. | |
Stade de France during a France-Germany football match, | :01:27. | :01:31. | |
attended by 80,000, including the French President Hollande. One | :01:32. | :01:35. | |
person was killed and three suicide bombers. Five minutes later 12 are | :01:36. | :01:40. | |
killed on the terrace of the restaurant Le Petit Cambodge. | :01:41. | :01:42. | |
Another five minutes another shooting. This time La Casa Nostra. | :01:43. | :01:49. | |
In the 11th district, 19 people killed in gunfire, which witnesses | :01:50. | :01:55. | |
say lasted two to three minutes. An explosion and then at the Bataclan | :01:56. | :02:00. | |
Concert Hall, where a heavy metal band were performing, several armed | :02:01. | :02:06. | |
men fired on the audience and took hostages. | :02:07. | :02:08. | |
In all, these attacks have left at least 129 | :02:09. | :02:11. | |
dead and the confirmation that at least one Briton was amongst them. | :02:12. | :02:14. | |
Our first report tonight comes from Gabriel Gatehouse, | :02:15. | :02:17. | |
who's been speaking to survivors of this unimaginable attack. | :02:18. | :02:28. | |
They came in silence this evening. Less than 24 hours ago, outside this | :02:29. | :02:37. | |
cafe, five people lost their lives, gunned down as they enjoyed a Friday | :02:38. | :02:43. | |
night out. It was the start of what would become the deadliest attack in | :02:44. | :02:52. | |
peacetime France. The sound of an explosion, as | :02:53. | :02:54. | |
peacetime France. The sound of an their country play Germany. It was | :02:55. | :02:59. | |
the first of several blasts, the work of suicide bombers outside the | :03:00. | :03:07. | |
stadium. A man filmed as he runs from the | :03:08. | :03:14. | |
scene. President Francois Hollande amongst the spectators was whisked | :03:15. | :03:21. | |
to safety. Then the crowd streamed onto the pitch in panic and | :03:22. | :03:27. | |
confusion. At around the same time, in central Paris, gunmen began | :03:28. | :03:32. | |
opening fire on diners in cafes and restaurants clustered around a busy | :03:33. | :03:36. | |
night spot. The deadliest attack of the night happened soon after, at | :03:37. | :03:47. | |
the nearby Bataclan theatre. This disturbing footage shows concert | :03:48. | :03:51. | |
goers fleeing out of a back exit, while four gunmen are shooting | :03:52. | :03:55. | |
people inside. In their terror, some climbs out of windows, clinging | :03:56. | :03:59. | |
desperately to the side of the building. Bodies lie in the street | :04:00. | :04:07. | |
below. "What's going on? The man with the camera shouts? No-one | :04:08. | :04:12. | |
answers, too busy dragging away the wounded. Outside, heavily armed | :04:13. | :04:20. | |
police now had a hostage situation on their hands. Within the hour | :04:21. | :04:25. | |
security forces stormed the theatre, three of the attackers detonated | :04:26. | :04:29. | |
suicide vests, a fourth was shot dead by police. Some of the hostages | :04:30. | :04:34. | |
were led out to safety, but for more than 80, the rescue effort had come | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
too late. President Hollande called the attacks an act of war. | :04:39. | :04:44. | |
TRANSLATION: We are going to fight. Our fight will be merciless. These | :04:45. | :04:49. | |
terrorists that are capable of such atrocities, they need to know they | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
will be confronted by a France that is determined, united and acting as | :04:54. | :04:59. | |
one. Outside the Bataclan theatre today, they continue to bring out | :05:00. | :05:03. | |
the bodies well into the afternoon. Next to the police cordon, there was | :05:04. | :05:07. | |
evidence of the desperate effort of medics to save lives. People are | :05:08. | :05:14. | |
coming, individuals here to lay flowers outside the street | :05:15. | :05:17. | |
coming, individuals here to lay leads to the theatre. On the | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
pavement, you can still see fresh blood. The police are telling me | :05:22. | :05:26. | |
that there are still bodies inside there. They're still bringing them | :05:27. | :05:29. | |
out. The emotions here are still incred play raw. -- incredibly raw. | :05:30. | :05:36. | |
Police are trying to establish the identities of yesterday's attackers. | :05:37. | :05:39. | |
There have been arrests in Belgium. British official sources have told | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
the BBC they believe a Syrian cell was behind the attack. People here | :05:44. | :05:48. | |
are stilling reeling from the Charlie Hebdo shootings which | :05:49. | :05:50. | |
happened just around the corner in January. | :05:51. | :06:07. | |
Meanwhile, Parisians are going from hospital to hospital, looking for | :06:08. | :06:16. | |
missing relatives. Nicolau and his girlfriend went to the concert | :06:17. | :06:20. | |
together. She was shot in the abdomen. She's safe and recovering. | :06:21. | :06:21. | |
He's haunted by what he saw. The word Bataclan theatre will be | :06:22. | :07:09. | |
written into one of the darkest chatters of modern French history. | :07:10. | :07:15. | |
The building stands on the boulevard Voltaire, fitting after the writing | :07:16. | :07:22. | |
whose work enshrines the French ideals. It was those values which | :07:23. | :07:29. | |
came under attack last night. That set out a bit of what we have been | :07:30. | :07:31. | |
seeing here today. Pierre Haski is founder | :07:32. | :07:33. | |
of the website Rue 89 and former deputy editor of Liberation, | :07:34. | :07:36. | |
and Igor Mlad-Enovitch was caught up If I can come to you, you basically | :07:37. | :07:47. | |
found yourself between two of the shootings, just tell us what | :07:48. | :07:53. | |
happened. I was having dinner nearby in a restaurant. As I came out, I | :07:54. | :07:58. | |
saw people fleeing. It soon appeared that there had been a mass shooting | :07:59. | :08:05. | |
in the Bataclan. I tried to go one way. A man told me that two people | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
were lying on the ground at the end of the street. I went the other | :08:10. | :08:12. | |
direction and police had blocked the street. So I was basically trapped | :08:13. | :08:20. | |
for a moment, before breaking away. What was your first impression? A | :08:21. | :08:23. | |
lot of people have described hearing shots they thought were fireworks. | :08:24. | :08:26. | |
You don't expect something on a Friday night in Paris in a | :08:27. | :08:31. | |
restraunt, right? No, that was very unexpected and scary. This is a very | :08:32. | :08:35. | |
lively neighbourhood, plenty of youths. We never expected something | :08:36. | :08:41. | |
like this to happen like this. There was initially panic. When we learned | :08:42. | :08:43. | |
what happened, we couldn't believe it. We were caught in the middle of | :08:44. | :08:47. | |
it. Initially there was a moment of panic. Then we just tried to reason | :08:48. | :08:53. | |
our way through. What was your inclination? Did you try and stay | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
and help? Or did you want to get as far away as you could? There's no | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
right answer here, I'm just interested to hear your thoughts? | :09:02. | :09:06. | |
Ideally I would have stayed and helped, but when you're out on a | :09:07. | :09:12. | |
Friday night and four different locations where people are shooting, | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
you can't do much, which is very frustrating. It frustrates me right | :09:17. | :09:20. | |
now. I just obviously thought of myself at first. I didn't know where | :09:21. | :09:26. | |
to go. There were shootings everywhere. Now I'm feeling | :09:27. | :09:29. | |
frustrated for the innocent people who lost their lives. Thanks for | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
your thoughts. I describe this as a city still reeling. There is a | :09:35. | :09:37. | |
your thoughts. I describe this as a of shock and also, I don't know if | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
you feel this, one person described to me as almost a sense of | :09:42. | :09:47. | |
unfinished business. First of all we still don't know whether there are | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
any guys around who have escaped. We don't know yet who the attackers | :09:52. | :09:57. | |
were. We have the beginning of information from the authorities on | :09:58. | :10:00. | |
who they are. We still don't have the full list of victims. So people | :10:01. | :10:05. | |
are still coming to reckon with the events themselves. I think it's too | :10:06. | :10:08. | |
early. There's emotion. There's grief. There's lack of information | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
because things are coming. We just learned this evening, for example, | :10:14. | :10:17. | |
that one of our colleagues, works for a culture magazine, died. He was | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
covering the concert. He died during the concert. We only heard about it | :10:23. | :10:26. | |
in the evening. People are still getting those bits of information. | :10:27. | :10:28. | |
What is getting those bits of information. | :10:29. | :10:34. | |
having on this city? I think getting those bits of information. | :10:35. | :10:37. | |
are, for the moment, in the time of emotion. Then will come the | :10:38. | :10:42. | |
questions - what happened? Could it have been avoided? Are there any | :10:43. | :10:46. | |
political responsibility, obviously this will be asked? And what is | :10:47. | :10:50. | |
going to change in our lives? Because if you go out and have | :10:51. | :10:54. | |
dinner, as you were describing, or go to a concert and you end up dead, | :10:55. | :10:57. | |
what does that go to a concert and you end up dead, | :10:58. | :11:02. | |
a city like Paris? I think people still have to reckon with the | :11:03. | :11:07. | |
consequences of what happened. Do you feel that Parisians tonight are | :11:08. | :11:11. | |
asking why us, why me, why here? Certainly so, yeah. Because France | :11:12. | :11:15. | |
has never really been at the forefront of foreign policy efforts | :11:16. | :11:21. | |
in the Middle East. There's never really been particularly insistent | :11:22. | :11:22. | |
against the Islamic State. So really been particularly insistent | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
think it was just an easy target. It was a coward act targeting easy, | :11:27. | :11:33. | |
innocent people in public places. Of course they're wondering why them. | :11:34. | :11:38. | |
The second time in one year. After the Charlie Hebdo attacks, we saw | :11:39. | :11:43. | |
many demonstrations, vigils, groups gathering. It's been noticeable that | :11:44. | :11:47. | |
people feel less able, less inclined to gather in a big crowd tonight. | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
people feel less able, less inclined And the state of emergency makes it | :11:53. | :12:02. | |
impossible. No-one can go to the Place de La Republique. That is | :12:03. | :12:05. | |
where everything happened after Charlie Hebdo. It's small because | :12:06. | :12:08. | |
the police are calling on people not to gather or have groups. | :12:09. | :12:11. | |
the police are calling on people not don't know if it's still dangerous | :12:12. | :12:16. | |
and the second thing is that I think people are wondering | :12:17. | :12:21. | |
and the second thing is that I think national unity will be surviving | :12:22. | :12:26. | |
these repeated attacks on our soil. Very interesting to speak to you | :12:27. | :12:30. | |
both. Thank you for joining us tonight. | :12:31. | :12:31. | |
As you heard, as well as those killed and injured, | :12:32. | :12:36. | |
and friends, as they desperately search for clues and contact. | :12:37. | :12:42. | |
It's emerging tonight that one of the perpetrators was a 29-year-old | :12:43. | :12:48. | |
French national - arrested eight times but never imprisoned. | :12:49. | :12:52. | |
Paris prosecutors say three separate terrorist teams were involved. | :12:53. | :12:55. | |
A Syrian and an Egyptian passport, belonging to suicide bombers, | :12:56. | :12:58. | |
were found, and one in the group is believed to be a woman. | :12:59. | :13:11. | |
Armed police patrol the quiet centre of Paris. The attacks in which 129 | :13:12. | :13:18. | |
people lost their lives have been claimed by the so-called Islamic | :13:19. | :13:22. | |
State. It appears there were just seven terrorists, but what do we | :13:23. | :13:27. | |
know about them? One man, aged 29, was born in Paris and has previously | :13:28. | :13:32. | |
been involved in petty criminality. Intelligence services reported he | :13:33. | :13:35. | |
was radicalised. He wasn't known to be part of a terrorist network. | :13:36. | :13:42. | |
Another was born in 1990. He wasn't known previously to police and had a | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
Syrian passport. A greeck minister said the holder of this passport | :13:48. | :13:51. | |
entered the EU through Greece in October. Belgian media report that | :13:52. | :13:57. | |
three of the terrorists are from Brussels. Prosecutors in France | :13:58. | :14:01. | |
didn't confirm this, but a black car used in the attack was rented in | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
Belgium. Premises are being searched there tonight and three men have | :14:06. | :14:12. | |
been arrested. Around is 1,500 French citizens are fighting in | :14:13. | :14:15. | |
Syria, more than any other Western country. A similar number are being | :14:16. | :14:20. | |
monitored in France by the Security Services for alleged extremist | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
links. France has one of Europe's largest Muslim populations. Despite | :14:25. | :14:27. | |
previous tensions over issues like the banning of the veil, today | :14:28. | :14:32. | |
Muslims reacted with horror to the attacks. | :14:33. | :14:36. | |
TRANSLATION: Don't speak about Islam. It's got nothing to do with | :14:37. | :14:40. | |
this. We are against what happened. This is not Islam. I think we can do | :14:41. | :14:49. | |
the difference between a Muslim and a terrorist. | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
TRANSLATION: This has been claimed by ISIS. We need to wait for the | :14:54. | :14:57. | |
results of the investigation to find out what is really the root of this. | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
Paris is in mourning. Its citizens, Muslim and non-Muslim, are waiting | :15:03. | :15:06. | |
to find out - did the attackers form their plans here in France? Or was | :15:07. | :15:11. | |
it conceived abroad in ISIS strong holds? People have been coming here | :15:12. | :15:16. | |
to lay flowers all day, the scene of one of the first shootings. Gunmen | :15:17. | :15:19. | |
attacked this bar before crossing the road and opening fire on this | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
Cambodian restaurant, killing at least 12 people. This terrorist | :15:25. | :15:29. | |
tactics of moo raweding gunmen moving through a city has been a | :15:30. | :15:35. | |
fear of European cities since Mumbai attacks. As with previous attacks, | :15:36. | :15:40. | |
it appears the killers were on the radar of security agencies. They | :15:41. | :15:44. | |
know they are dangerous. The problem is the degree of danger. In | :15:45. | :15:49. | |
democracies we cannot put people in jail just because you suspect them | :15:50. | :15:55. | |
of being dangerous. So the laws will be more repressive in the future, | :15:56. | :15:58. | |
not only in France, but all over Europe. One possible opportunity to | :15:59. | :16:03. | |
stop the attackers could have come last week, when a man en route to | :16:04. | :16:10. | |
Paris was arrested in possession of weapons and explosives in Bavaria. | :16:11. | :16:14. | |
It's not clear he was linked to thees attackers. Police tonight are | :16:15. | :16:17. | |
racing to find any more accomplices. What you heard there raises many | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
questions. To discuss the security implications | :16:22. | :16:25. | |
of this is the counter-terrorism Thank you for joining us. Talk to us | :16:26. | :16:34. | |
first about this idea of the one French national. A young man, 29 | :16:35. | :16:40. | |
years old, who is clearly part of a homegrown terror trat strategy, if | :16:41. | :16:44. | |
we can call that? We know there is homegrown terrorism in France. We | :16:45. | :16:48. | |
know there is homegrown terrorism in England am homegrown terrorism in | :16:49. | :16:53. | |
Germany. The big question is - why can't we reach these people any | :16:54. | :17:01. | |
more? Why don't they feel they can benefit from these countries and | :17:02. | :17:06. | |
achieve another meaning in life than blowing themself up with the hidden | :17:07. | :17:12. | |
message of paradise. We should take the global connotations of this | :17:13. | :17:18. | |
ideology in account. We don't have a global strategy. We don't even have | :17:19. | :17:22. | |
a European strategy. Each country does things slightly differently. Do | :17:23. | :17:28. | |
you think it's worth France asking herself about certain policies or | :17:29. | :17:31. | |
certain implications, for example, the importance of the Republic, not | :17:32. | :17:36. | |
having the sort of religion as your first port of call? Or is it crazy | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
to assume these things make any difference? There are local factors | :17:42. | :17:47. | |
which play into radicalisation processes. Obviously, the idea to | :17:48. | :17:53. | |
say France is a secular Republic is a good idea. It means Islam won't be | :17:54. | :18:00. | |
excluded. If we come back to something, each attack, attacks 20 | :18:01. | :18:05. | |
years ago, 9/11 September, 15 years ago, we focus on a similar attack, | :18:06. | :18:11. | |
attack jihadism as a problem which might go away. The ideology is there | :18:12. | :18:15. | |
for at least 30 years. It was created partly with our help, in the | :18:16. | :18:19. | |
war against the Soviets in Afghanistan. We don't deal with the | :18:20. | :18:25. | |
ideology in a co-ordinated manner. What about this idea - The roots of | :18:26. | :18:31. | |
radicalisation. France or Paris tonight is missing a sense at the | :18:32. | :18:35. | |
moment of national unity that our guest said he worried that would be | :18:36. | :18:39. | |
eroded by attack after attack. Do you agree with that? Yeah. I'm | :18:40. | :18:43. | |
afraid that with is one of my biggest fears. National unity which | :18:44. | :18:50. | |
was displayed after the attacks in January against Charlie Hebdo summed | :18:51. | :18:55. | |
up by the slogan, "we are all Charlie" it's going away. Some | :18:56. | :18:58. | |
people felt they were not Charlie. Not interested in terrorism. Would | :18:59. | :19:02. | |
not support terrorism felt left out they didn't feel a part of France | :19:03. | :19:09. | |
which is Charlie which would say, fine to do drawings of the Prophet | :19:10. | :19:13. | |
Muhammad. The huge risk at this stage is national unity will be | :19:14. | :19:17. | |
eroded. That is what the so-called Islamic State knows well. One of the | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
major purposes of this attack was using a faultline, a division in | :19:23. | :19:29. | |
French society to aggravate polarisation. That's the best friend | :19:30. | :19:37. | |
of radicalisation. The big task will be to avoid polarisation of French | :19:38. | :19:43. | |
society by aggressive security measures. Thank you very much | :19:44. | :19:45. | |
indeed. Richard Watson has been gathering | :19:46. | :19:47. | |
intelligence on the scale You heard what our guest about | :19:48. | :19:55. | |
saying not overreacting. What are the implications now for the UK? I | :19:56. | :20:00. | |
think the implications are quite profound actually. It's a very stark | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
reminder of the threat we face in the UK. The terror threat level | :20:06. | :20:09. | |
remains the same. The police and MI5 will be on high alert in any case. | :20:10. | :20:14. | |
The French situation, my sources are telling me that ten people per week, | :20:15. | :20:17. | |
for the last five months, have travelled out to Syria and many will | :20:18. | :20:21. | |
have come back. If we look at the numbers here in the UK, it's quite | :20:22. | :20:24. | |
instructive. These numbers are right up-to-date. They are from | :20:25. | :20:29. | |
counter-terrorism sources today. 60 people are assessed to have | :20:30. | :20:34. | |
travelled out to Syria. Some 60 people are assessed to have died | :20:35. | :20:41. | |
fighting in Syria. 350 people are back in the UK already. We already | :20:42. | :20:47. | |
have a derallying radicalisation in this programme called Channel. I | :20:48. | :20:50. | |
think it's almost impossible for Khan tow cope with that level of - | :20:51. | :20:56. | |
that number of people. I think that the real question here is - how do | :20:57. | :21:01. | |
you prioritise your targets? There are some... There are 2,000 people, | :21:02. | :21:07. | |
persons of interest, in the UK to MI5, the security service. The | :21:08. | :21:14. | |
question is - how... The question really is how do you keep tabs on | :21:15. | :21:22. | |
2,000 people? Priority, prioritisation is absolutely | :21:23. | :21:25. | |
essential. I talked to someone today about communications technology. | :21:26. | :21:29. | |
That is also very interesting. If you - I've spoken to someone who has | :21:30. | :21:35. | |
infiltrated the cyber caliphate. They have been communicating with | :21:36. | :21:39. | |
secure apps. I have some of these here. He said - one of the Isis | :21:40. | :21:48. | |
supporters, alleged Isis supporters - "don't act until you are ready. | :21:49. | :21:55. | |
Wait for the word and you'll go. " He also told me that in the UK right | :21:56. | :21:59. | |
now there is police action. It's very hot. Bide your time. Wait until | :22:00. | :22:06. | |
it's safe. This question is very, very serious. If terrorists are | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
going to use secure communications there is a real threat to the UK. | :22:12. | :22:16. | |
Mark Urban, thanks. The organized scale | :22:17. | :22:21. | |
of this horror has left leaders across the world wondering what | :22:22. | :22:23. | |
comes next and trying to work out What happened here last night will | :22:24. | :22:26. | |
clearly re-energise debate about our The first blow was a bomb detonating | :22:27. | :22:46. | |
outside the Stade de France as President Hollande watched the | :22:47. | :22:49. | |
France Germany international. It was fold by two more blasts. Even if | :22:50. | :22:55. | |
nothing else had happened, an attack by suicide bombers so close to the | :22:56. | :22:59. | |
French President would have signalled a major event. It couldn't | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
have underlined much more clearly Islamic State's intention to shift | :23:05. | :23:11. | |
its violence towards the far enany, so-called, and in particular leading | :23:12. | :23:16. | |
countries in the coalition against it. Two bodies were discovered. One | :23:17. | :23:21. | |
of them appearing to be that of a suicide bomber with an explosive | :23:22. | :23:24. | |
belt, batteries, detonator and a number of metal objects to make the | :23:25. | :23:31. | |
explosion more dangerous. The attackers wore suicide vests. The | :23:32. | :23:38. | |
Charlie Hebdo people didn't. It's similar to the attack in Beirut on | :23:39. | :23:41. | |
Thursday evening that killed similar to the attack in Beirut on | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
than 40 people and has also been associated with Islamic State. The | :23:47. | :23:52. | |
use of suicide vests on western streets suggests a major new | :23:53. | :23:57. | |
challenge for security agencies and it also suggests a bomb maker was an | :23:58. | :24:03. | |
essential part of this operation. This isn't the first time assault | :24:04. | :24:07. | |
weapons have been used on French streets. Several were seized after | :24:08. | :24:13. | |
the Charlie Hebdo attacks. No-one nine days ago a Balkan man, bound | :24:14. | :24:18. | |
for Paris, was arrested in Bavaria. His car boot was full of automatic | :24:19. | :24:23. | |
weapons and explosives, underlining how relatively easy it is to bring | :24:24. | :24:30. | |
such hardware through Europe. These weapons, especially the weapons like | :24:31. | :24:39. | |
cla in as can could haves are circumstance lating, the central | :24:40. | :24:45. | |
origin being the Balkans. We face this problem, not only terrorist | :24:46. | :24:51. | |
situationings, but also very much in classic conflicts. It's a big | :24:52. | :25:00. | |
challenge for us and I think France has been more accessible that other | :25:01. | :25:07. | |
European countries. GUN SHOTS. People ask - could it happen here? | :25:08. | :25:13. | |
If not in London, maybe Rome or Berlin. In the UK, there have been | :25:14. | :25:19. | |
several major antiterrorist drills, practicing for the so-called Mumbai | :25:20. | :25:26. | |
scenario. Those involved acknowledge a grim truth though, no preparations | :25:27. | :25:32. | |
are perfect and that many can die in the minutes before an armed response | :25:33. | :25:39. | |
arrives. Mark Urban with that report. Mark, you raised that | :25:40. | :25:45. | |
question yourself really - do the events here make the authorities | :25:46. | :25:48. | |
think it's more likely to happen at home? Well, the threat level is | :25:49. | :25:53. | |
high, of course. There is a battery of things they can do to mitigate | :25:54. | :25:59. | |
that. Let's not forget, some of those standard types of practice | :26:00. | :26:02. | |
worked last night. The suicide bomber at the Stade de France was | :26:03. | :26:08. | |
discovered trying to enter and blew himself before he got in. The border | :26:09. | :26:12. | |
controls netted suspects. Intelligence is critical. | :26:13. | :26:15. | |
Intelligence failed on the weapons issue in France. In the UK, counter | :26:16. | :26:23. | |
terrorist people say they are confident they have a handle of this | :26:24. | :26:27. | |
question of illegal weapons entering this country. They only have to have | :26:28. | :26:33. | |
one significant slipup on that and the same pre-conditions for that | :26:34. | :26:36. | |
type of attack could be created in the UK. Mark, thank you very much, | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
indeed. Richard Barratt is the former | :26:41. | :26:44. | |
director of global We have him on the line now from New | :26:45. | :26:51. | |
York. Richard, thank you for joining us, if you can hear us? Yes, I can. | :26:52. | :26:58. | |
What do you think this changes in terms of our strategy or Government | :26:59. | :27:02. | |
strategy now towards Isis or towards terrorism? Yes. Well, I think the | :27:03. | :27:10. | |
security services will carry on doing tomorrow and todayle of course | :27:11. | :27:13. | |
what they've been doing for many months and many years up until now. | :27:14. | :27:17. | |
That is, having a look at all those 2,000 people that were mentioned | :27:18. | :27:20. | |
Earl earlier as being people of concern. To see which ones should be | :27:21. | :27:26. | |
of most concern. Clearly, you can't deal with those fantastic numbers. I | :27:27. | :27:30. | |
think the attacks in Paris also perhaps provide some useful | :27:31. | :27:35. | |
analysis, looking at those individuals, what their conjectory | :27:36. | :27:39. | |
was to arrive on the streets of Paris with delivering such murder | :27:40. | :27:43. | |
and mayhem. Who they met, how they met them and how that network formed | :27:44. | :27:47. | |
and so on. . They are associated with the Islamic State has been said | :27:48. | :27:52. | |
by President Hollande or whether there are more self-immobilising | :27:53. | :27:57. | |
cell. Whether they are return es and so on. All these things will help | :27:58. | :28:04. | |
the security services to decide - we should devote more resources to this | :28:05. | :28:08. | |
person and less to that. It's a difficult judgment to make, of | :28:09. | :28:10. | |
course. When you hear, for example, that unwith of these men was known | :28:11. | :28:16. | |
to police. He was known as a radical arrested eight times, never | :28:17. | :28:19. | |
imprisoned. Does that sound like the system has gone wrong? I don't think | :28:20. | :28:24. | |
so. An awful lot of people are known to the police for petty crime. A lot | :28:25. | :28:29. | |
of those people are fairly radicalised. You can think back to | :28:30. | :28:33. | |
the Lee Rigby murder, for example, both those people were known to the | :28:34. | :28:38. | |
police for petty crime and rallying radicalisation. They are not unique | :28:39. | :28:42. | |
by any means. It's really difficult to say - OK, in this case we will | :28:43. | :28:45. | |
really focus on these people. Though of course it could be an indicator | :28:46. | :28:50. | |
that something may be going on. I think there are two issues here. | :28:51. | :28:56. | |
First... Carry on. I was going to say. People will be looking for | :28:57. | :29:01. | |
reassurance at home saying - oh, we do things slightly differently in | :29:02. | :29:06. | |
London. It's a different approach. A difficult strategy. Presumably you | :29:07. | :29:10. | |
can't give anyone that reassurance can you? No. I don't think anyone | :29:11. | :29:15. | |
pretends that reassurance is real. I think the level in threat in London | :29:16. | :29:19. | |
is probably at "severe" just below the top level. That speaks for | :29:20. | :29:24. | |
itself. In Paris of course there have been more threats. There are | :29:25. | :29:28. | |
more threats to France than to the United Kingdom. That by no means | :29:29. | :29:31. | |
there are no threats to the United Kingdom. We have about 1,500 - Thank | :29:32. | :29:34. | |
you very much indeed. Thank you. No one expected to see attacks | :29:35. | :29:39. | |
on the same city twice in one year. We were here in January | :29:40. | :29:43. | |
after the Charlie Hebdo attacks. What's striking is how we | :29:44. | :29:45. | |
tried to make sense of them. Was it about press freedom, | :29:46. | :29:48. | |
was it about satire, The answer, in the light of what's | :29:49. | :29:50. | |
happened here now, is clearly, no. This is a war on all our culture | :29:51. | :29:57. | |
and our countries. And, it almost certainly, | :29:58. | :30:00. | |
won't end here in France. He's in an exotic land. In the far | :30:01. | :30:14. | |
reaches of northern Europe. | :30:15. | :30:19. |