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as Calais brings its bulldozers to the camp.

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but there's a lot of resistance to leaving.

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Not only because of the sense of community that has built up here

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would take them one step further away from their goal.

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The French Ambassador is with us to explain what it is.

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have we found the most enthusiastic lobby for the remaining in the EU?

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When I said I was an out, I was virtually lynched in the hotel! I

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ran out into the streets, it was safer than inside that hotel last

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night. Farming policy is one area

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in which the EU has the most power. at the annual conference

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of National Farmers' Union. Sadiq Khan, Labour's candidate

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for Mayor of London, joins us live. Is he intensely relaxed

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about London's filthy rich? transform the mood

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of an entire city? Newsnight is on the trail

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of the Foxes in Leicester. In Leicester, the people

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of Leicester, they don't speak about the weather anymore -

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they speak about Leicester City. Calais has always been a gateway

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between France and England. In the 16th century,

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it was actually English, But today, for migrants,

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it's not a place for passage any more - it's a purgatory

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for thousands of people No desire to go home,

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no right to move here, and no ladders to help them scale

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the newly erected fences The French authorities

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now want the squalor We appear to be on the edge of a new

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phase in the life of migrants there. They had given residents

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until 8:00pm this evening to clear the southern part

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of the camp. What can you tell us is happening,

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what happened this evening? Well, there is a fairly significant police

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presence here, this is the camp behind me, I have seen numerous

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police cars advance driving past this road here, and in fact a few

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with flashing blue light stage and here, but the eight o'clock deadline

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has come and gone, and the bulldozers have not gone in because

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there is a legal challenge. A couple of charities that work in the camp

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saying that the local authorities have their sums wrong and they do

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not have enough capacity to rehouse all the residents of the camp. Now,

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the Jungle has always been a rather strange

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sanctioned impromptu settlement, and the

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cannot go on now, the residents have to be rehoused either in a state

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cannot go on now, the residents have facility just next door, or they are

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welcome to go to any of facility just next door, or they are

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the country. The people here facility just next door, or they are

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they don't want to do that, not least because they don't want to

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stay in France - they want to go to Britain. My feeling is that the days

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of the Jungle are numbered, but it is 24 or 48 hours before we learn

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the Rosol of this legal challenge, and that means more uncertainty for

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the people of the camp. -- result. They're cold, the mornings

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in the Jungle - the wind whips in,

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blowing with it the elusive promise of a new life on the other

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side of the Channel. and there's the threat of change

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in the air. Many people spend the nights

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trying to cross, Volunteers are trying to make

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as much noise as possible. We are here this morning

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trying to make sure that the maximum number

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of people possible and to give a real idea

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of the number of people who are actually in

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the southern part of the camp. to decide whether

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to give the go-ahead to the authorities

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who want to dismantle it. they've drastically

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underestimated the numbers. We know that there are over 300

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unaccompanied children in this to go ahead and the bulldozers

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arrive and our volunteers who work with the children

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here every day, if they lose track of them, then they are effectively

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lost in the system, we don't know

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what will happen to them. The magistrate arrives

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and is treated to a chaotic guided tour of the Jungle's

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mud-sodden lanes. There's a lot of commotion

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here as the judge has come to visit the camp - her purpose, really,

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is to check the numbers. The authorities want to move

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the inhabitants of the Jungle a census in the camp,

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and they say that the population is three times

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the official estimate. Plus, most people don't

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seem to like the look What will you do

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if they bulldoze this camp? I don't know where I have to go,

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what I'm going to do. But they say you could live in these

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containers over here, you don't want to do that?

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If I live in containers, that means I'm going to make asylum

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in France. And you don't want to do that?

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For sure, yeah. Why not? Cos, as I told you, France does not

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believe that we are in danger, they don't believe our case,

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they don't believe our problems. And you think that

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Britain will be more sympathetic? Rightly or wrongly,

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almost everyone here thinks life would be better

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in Britain than in France. Most have little or no

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connection to the UK, but some do, and they are not encouraged

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by the magistrate's visit. I think the Jungle will finish.

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You think the Jungle will finish? Her body language,

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there was no reaction, From her body language,

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you could tell? I don't know, probably

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on the street or something. Go on the street?

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Yeah, but there's no other choices. You speak very good English.

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I was a translator in Afghanistan. Really?

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Who were you translating for? The British Army?

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Yeah. It might seem perverse

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for people to be so attached to this mud and tarpaulin settlement

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on Europe's northern edge, but there is a real sense

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of community in the Jungle. There are English lessons

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in the warmth of a heated classroom. There's a library called,

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perhaps inevitably, Jungle Books, in between attempts

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to cross the Channel. There are restaurants

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and barber's shops, even a theatre housed

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in a dome-shaped tent which has become

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the Jungle's unofficial town hall. It's never been our argument

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that this Jungle should remain. We've been here for five months

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and have always said that the conditions are not

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worthy of any human being. The disease here, the mental

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illness we are seeing, it's a treacherous place,

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but at the same time the decision to try to evict

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so many people in such a short amount of time for them

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to find somewhere else to go, Midway through the afternoon,

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news comes from the courthouse - the magistrate has

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postponed her decision. The inhabitants of the camp

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are in limbo. is just about filtering

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through here now. It's a reprieve, but probably

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only a temporary one. Most of the people who live

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here agree that conditions are far from ideal, but there's

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a lot of resistance to leaving. Not only because of the sense

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of community that has built up here, would take them one step further

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away from their goal. They've travelled thousands

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of miles to get this far, often at great danger and expense -

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they are not about to give up now. Where are you going?

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What were you trying to do? Train.

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Train to London? Train to London. Day in, day out,

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they hide themselves in the backs of lorries

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trying to get across. It's a little over an hour's journey

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from here to Lord's Cricket Ground. These people are so close,

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and yet the prospect of attaining their goal

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seems to slip further and further into the distance

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where the bulldozers are waiting. Joining me now is the French

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Ambassador to the United Kingdom, Thanks for coming in, do you agree

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that the Jungle's days are now numbered? It is on its way out? Yes,

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absolutely, we decided to relocate people, but nobody could complain

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about that, because the conditions were absolutely terrible, and some

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say not even very humanitarian. So we decided to provide them a home

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with security, with water, with heating. So it will be better. And

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of course sometimes those zones are not going to be as near to the

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coast, the Channel as they want, and they would rather have the lottery

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ticket to see if they can get to England, wouldn't they? What is your

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answer to that? Are they going to make it to England? It is much

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harder, because we have spent some money also to put the fences and

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also extra police, and we worked closely with the British on that.

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So, as it is good, they start to go elsewhere. But those relocations are

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not very far from the southern part of the camp, and others, I would

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like to say, have been relocated somewhere else in France, and we

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have convinced some of them also to accept asylum, because most of them

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want to come to the UK. Right. What is the medium term plan? I mean, you

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cannot just have people living in squalor in France, a developed

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country like this, that is not the long-term solution, what is the

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idea? Are we going to give asylum to those people, send them home? Well,

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it depends. For those who are not refugees, we will send them home. I

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mean, those who are economic migrants, they cannot stay there.

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Those who are real refugees, yes, they are granted asylum, but

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providing they accepted. Because some of them do not want to stay in

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France. But your plan is that, ultimately, France will process

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those people, some will stay if they are allowed, some will go home.

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Absolutely. Is there anything the British could be doing to expedite

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that long-term plan and make it happen more quickly? I am thinking

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particularly around the unaccompanied children. Yeah, I

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think there have been some decisions by English courts, and so we hope it

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will be implemented for those children. What, that children who

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have some case to come to the UK will be brought to the UK? You would

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like that to happen? Yes. OK, and this is an important time for

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British relations with France and Europe for reasons beyond the

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situation in Calais. Sticking with Calais for the moment, one of the

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issues you may be able to help us with is what happens to the British

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border if we choose to leave in the referendum, because some say the

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French may bring the border back to Dover, some say the French would

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keep it in Calais. What is the truth? Well, I don't know, because

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in fact some authorities have said that the border should be in Calais,

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members of the opposition say that they are implementing the

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agreements, so we don't want to speculate. What you get out of the

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agreement? Is it just to be nice to ask that you let us put your border

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there, or does it help you in some way? I think at that time we had

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Sangatte, and we wanted to close it, so there was an agreement, and we

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thought that we had, I don't member how many at that time, but they kept

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coming during all those years, and we did not anticipate that. We are

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in the early days of our European debate, I just wonder what you make

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of it so far, whether you are happy with it? Well, I cannot say I am

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happy or not happy, it is fought the British to say. The only thing I can

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say is that France would like the UK to stay within the EU, and that is

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the reason why we made some efforts in Brussels to get an agreement.

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President Hollande, everybody speaks to their own audience in these

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things, don't they? President Hollande said there were no special

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dispensation is from the rules, no veto over the eurozone, Britain has

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a special place that it has always had, he was trying to play down the

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concessions made. You think the concessions David Cameron God were

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not think? I think he got a good agreement, in fact, because he got

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almost everything he wanted. But we had some red lines, and we didn't

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want those red lines to be crossed, and that is the case. We have worked

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a lot on the economic government, and I think that is satisfying for

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all of us. Is Boris Johnson well known in

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France? He is well-known, he speaks French! Is the popular, well liked?

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I do not know, everyone knows him. And they like to listen to him. You

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are very diplomatic! Thank you very much.

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It didn't take long in this EU campaign for the art of letter

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writing to be deployed as a marketing tool.

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Leaders of some big FTSE 100 companies today put their name

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to a letter in The Times, arguing that we should stay in.

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A valuable contribution to the debate,

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But forget big business for a moment,

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and think about a different group which stands to be directly affected

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They haven't written any letters yet, but it does so happen

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that the NFU conference started today in Birmingham.

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Our policy editor Chris Cook went along.

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Where better for Newsnight to come when considering how farmers think

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then beautiful, rustic Birmingham? The National Farmers' Union which

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skews to represent slightly better off farmers, is here for its

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conference. Once critical questions for the meeting this week in

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Birmingham is Europe. They have a session on Brexit tomorrow. For

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farmers as for other businesses, one of the critical issues is if we were

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to leave the EU, on what terms would we have access to the single market.

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For example might we cut a deal where we could sell goods to the EU

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as we do today or maybe have Depay terror. At the moment countries

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without a trade deal have got to pay a tariff of 8% of the value of

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anything they sell to the EU. The agriculture secretary made a point

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we heard from many delegates. Even Eurosceptics. What we're going to

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publish a government, Eurosceptics. What we're going to

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a document about alternative models which is

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a document about alternative models in his statement yesterday. I think

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the real answer is, we do not know. Exactly what it will look like. The

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debate about Europe is for farmers is unique, they have the common

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agricultural policy to worry about, a Europe-wide system of subsidies.

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Farmers in the UK in 2014 got around ?2 billion of cash which made up a

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large part of their ?5 billion a year or so of actual income. The

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question for them is, if the UK were to leave the EU, with the British

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Government chose to give them as much money as Europe does and there

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is scepticism in this hall about whether they would. The NFU has not

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is scepticism in this hall about got a formal position yet in Europe

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but the president is pretty clear about his views. If we were to leave

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the European Union then there would be some further difficult

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negotiations and that would be a difficult battle I guess to convince

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the Treasury to allow the same level of support to British farmers as to

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European competitors. During the negotiations on the current CAD

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system, Britain was an advocate for a leaner and less generous CHP. That

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is why I am nervous, you just have to look back to the last couple of

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reforms, the Treasury were adamant that the beginning of those

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negotiations about the level of support for the CHP, that it had to

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be reduced. We also had nervous about what Westminster would do

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without Brussels oversight from delegates. I do not believe they

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would respect British farming and indeed help promote it as much as

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the European colleagues do. You think Irish farming methods from the

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higher prestige of farming say in France? Very much so. Our French

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colleagues are highly supportive of European agriculture. Perhaps

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contrary to their stereotypes we struggled to find delegates who

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would make a case that farmers would do better than Brexit. I was quite

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shocked, I came last night and I'm staying in a hotel and discussion

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about Europe came up and when I said I was in favour of out, I was almost

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lynched! What is the balance of opinion like here. For those

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prepared to go public, they're worried about leaving the EU and

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especially worried because they are on the ropes at the moment, they had

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a couple of terrible years, a third coming up and the prospect of

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another change when they're not been told by the government what the plan

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be years, they're worried. A number of them in private deal we ought to

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be leaving the European Union because they're concerned about

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other things and not about farming. Campaigners for leave said they know

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they must reassure farmers would be farm subsidies after Brexit. Because

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the slogan of the day at the farmers attending the NFU conference right

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now is, better the devil you know. Last week, we had the Conservative

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candidate for London mayor on this I asked if he would publish his tax

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return, as the leading candidates He said he would, and yesterday

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he delivered a letter from his accountant

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with the important figures in it. Headline - he had an average income

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of ?1.2 million a year over the last five years,

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most of it itemised as trust income. That background highlights a

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very big contrast Mr Khan likes to remind us

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that he was brought up on a council estate,

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one of eight children of parents It's not the only contrast

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with Zac Goldsmith. Zac Goldsmith wants to leave. Sadiq

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Khan joins us now. On your tax return, you said you would publish

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it, are you going to do that? We will do it tomorrow. We'll be found

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at anything interesting M I will publish and you can judge for

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yourself. The background has been an issue in the London mayoral

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elections. Did you feel that, it is stuck about Zac Goldsmith, you said

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he is someone who never had a proper job, I just wonder whether

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background is important? I talk about my background because it

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defines who I am. I'm proud that I am one of eight children, the son of

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immigrants, brought up in a council estate to becoming a lawyer and

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having a successful business then to Cabinet. We fulfilled our potential

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because of the joys of London and I feel many Londoners now are not

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getting the same chances. The Evening Standard, the main London

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newspaper, has focused or drawn attention to your former

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brother-in-law who was quite radicalised in the 1990s. He has

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renounced all of that and is no longer with your sister and you do

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not see him much. You're not in contact with them now. No one could

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point that at you but that experience must have been a very

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difficult one for your family. It was. I'm pleased you ask me,

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throughout my critical career I have never run away from the fact that I

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think tackling extremism is important. I was the guy who had a

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fatwa against him because I voted for same-sex marriage. There was an

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extremist campaign and people who voted for me were told they were

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going to hell. But I also speak about my experience as a British

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Muslim coming across opinions that I find odious and many British Muslims

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will have come across these views and it is difficult. I have a

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position of responsibility, and I need to talk about these things but

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there is no other city in the world where I would like to raise my

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daughters. London is fantastic and my story is that of many immigrants

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over 1000 years. I do not want to pry, in your family, you have got

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the father of your nephews and nieces onstage in Trafalgar Square

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same things most people would regard as fairly ridiculous. Did you

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intervene, was a crisis for the family, or was it just something

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people did, being before September the 11th. I have not seen my sister

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ex-husband for more than 12 years. He has explained himself, it is for

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him to explain himself. What is important is this, we live in a

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fantastic city, a city were Muslims, Christians, but this, not simply

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tolerate one another but respect and celebrate the difference. I think

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one of the important things is to recognise that in London there are

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more than 1 million Londoners of Islamic faith, the vast majority

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will find those kind of views offensive and want nothing to do

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with them. Housing and migration are issues in the London election and

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nationally as well, is there a link between them, perhaps one not often

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talked about that in London the population has grown by 1 million in

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the past ten years, we have not built houses for that many people

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and maybe that is why it is so difficult to get a house. Successive

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governments have failed London. By 2020 the population will be 9

:24:19.:24:25.

million. Both is not bad, it is lack of planning. We have to build homes

:24:26.:24:30.

for Londoners. No point building homes if they are sold to investors

:24:31.:24:34.

in the Middle East and Asia before they have been completed. You could

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say and people to say if you're not going to build homes you had better

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not let the population grow like that, that is the argument. I spoke

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about the history of London over 1000 years, we have been open to

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trade, ideas and people. We are so successful because success of

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generations, politicians have taken tough decisions to plan Crossrail,

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to build homes for Londoners, first dibs to Londoners, to scale the map

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to get the jobs of tomorrow. So I think what is important is for us to

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recognise that successive governments have failed London. We

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need America with the experience and political will to build homes for

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Londoners. I want to speak about your political position, you spoke

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to the Spectator magazine and said you welcome the fact we have 140

:25:28.:25:32.

plus billionaires in London. Did you really say that? Absolutely not. I'm

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there for Londoners, whether you're a billionaire, chief executive, a

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nurse, a bus driver or a dinner lady. You will go to Shanghai, the

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chief executive of Barclays Bank sitting next to you, you will lead a

:25:53.:25:56.

trade delegation out there batting for the great banks in the City of

:25:57.:26:01.

London to drum up business. The financial sector creates a lot of

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jobs, growth and brings investment to London as does the tech sector,

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creative industries. Of course I will be batting for them and I will

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join the Conservative Chancellor in the interests of London. I will join

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a conservative pro-Minister because I want to be a champion for London.

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A shop steward from London. You were the guy who nominated Jeremy Corbyn

:26:30.:26:33.

in the leadership election. Jeremy Corbyn has said, Peter Mandelson has

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talked scathingly saying he was relaxed about the filthy rich.

:26:41.:26:47.

Jeremy Corbyn said this is the time to call for public ownership and

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control of the banking sector. This is only 2012, not ancient history.

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You're as a completely different end of the party. Jeremy Corbyn, his

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name is not on the ballot paper for the 5th of May. I want to be the

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Advocate and the champion for London. You have changed your tune

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completely. To be fair to me, why nominated Jeremy Corbyn I made clear

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I had no intention of voting for him. During the selection process I

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was asked if I would serve in his Shadow Cabinet and I said no. I was

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clear about what my views where. You will regret not selecting him?

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You're trying to have it both ways. We have lost two general elections

:27:33.:27:38.

in a row, badly. The idea of the elite in Westminster blocking a

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Cabinet, fairly popular with the labour supporters, it is important

:27:43.:27:47.

that the labour movement got a chance to choose from a cross

:27:48.:27:53.

section of candidates. And Jeremy Corbyn was the winner amongst trade

:27:54.:27:56.

union supporters and registered supporters. We need to understand

:27:57.:28:01.

that I'm the guy standing to be the Mayor of London and Jeremy has an

:28:02.:28:04.

important job to do in the Labour Party. Sometimes we disagree on

:28:05.:28:12.

issues. On some things I would agree with the Conservative Prime Minister

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or Chancellor, the Home Secretary, the Business Secretary, Defence

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Secretary, to argue for London to stay an integral part of the EU for

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economic benefits, social and cultural benefits and security as

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well. Thank you very much. A petition in favour giving

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all young children the meningitis B vaccine has attracted getting

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on for 800,000 signatures. That is the biggest petition to

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Parliament in recent memory. At the moment, in this country,

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the vaccine is only given There have been some tragic cases

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of children who have died from the infection -

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and photos have been released of them recently,

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to draw attention to the danger. Here is one -

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two-year-old Faye Burdett, who died on Valentine's Day

:28:57.:28:58.

this year. The photo of her, obviously

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in a very bad way in a hospital bed, Medical opinion has not been

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convinced that the vaccine should be We'll talk about the dilemma

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with Dr Sarah Jarvis, But first, let's hear

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from Claire Timmins whose son Mason and who has been campaigning to

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raise awareness about the disease. Good evening to you. The terrible

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experience, just how quickly it happened, take us through what

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happened. It was so fast, he was totally fine on the Sunday evening,

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his normal joyful self. Went to bed around 6:30, woke up being sick, I

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presumed it was just a normal sickness bug, like many children

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have, spent the day on the sofa, and on the afternoon he got a bit of a

:29:54.:29:59.

temperature, and within half an hour his temperature had not really come

:30:00.:30:04.

down, so I decided to take him to the doctor, and as we were getting

:30:05.:30:09.

ready to go out of the door, he became sleepy, confused. We

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travelled the short journey to the doctor's. So you are getting more

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worried. As we got in the doctor's, he lost consciousness. At what

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stage, what was the first point when somebody said, could this be

:30:27.:30:30.

meningitis? Our doctor was really good, she recognised it straightaway

:30:31.:30:34.

and gave him the antibiotics straightaway. But it was too late.

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Yeah. Review you had been a trained medical person, was there a sign you

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could have spotted that would have said, that is meningitis? Before he

:30:47.:30:50.

was passing out, in the morning, for example. It sounds silly to say, but

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I had seen him a lot worse with viruses in the past. Up until he

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started to become sleepy and getting a little bit confused, it was just

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like any other viral infection. Were you aware of meningitis? I myself

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had a meningitis when I was younger, I was five. So I was a little bit

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aware, but not as much as I am now, obviously. And Mason has a sister,

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you have given her, you have active axe and eight it. She had and

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shortly after Mason passed away. Sarah Jarvis, take us through the

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issue about the vaccine, there is a short-term issue, which is that

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GlaxoSmithKline cannot make enough of the stuff, there is not much

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around at the moment. There has been an enormous run on private doctors

:31:51.:31:55.

to give the vaccine. I am delighted to be raising awareness, I have sat

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in chairs like this many times over the years trying to persuade parents

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that immunisation against infectious diseases saves lives, and so it is

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quite ironic for me to be here now, because in this case everybody wants

:32:10.:32:14.

this vaccine. We have got a horrible, horrible condition. It

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does not just cause meningitis, it is a germ that can cause many

:32:18.:32:33.

different conditions, it can lead to amputation and of course death. It

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is not that common. Last year, meningitis B in England, there were

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about 500 cases, of which about 139 cases were in children between the

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ages of one and five. The peak ages children under one, and that is why

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the vaccine at the moment is being given to children under one. And so

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we are world leaders in that, we should say, most children are not

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doing it at all. But to be clear, is it just the cost that says, let's

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not give it to everybody? Or is there a potential side-effect? So

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far, this seems to have been a very well tolerated vaccine, about 1

:33:20.:33:22.

million cases given overall, and there do not seem to have been any

:33:23.:33:26.

major side-effects. We know that other vaccines, because do not

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forget, this is not the only one, meningitis C, there were more cases

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of that, another strain of the same champ three. There were more cases

:33:37.:33:42.

of that, and we have had a vaccine for that for 20 years. Very sadly,

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you have to think about cost effectiveness, not so much cost.

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Even if we could give this vaccine for ?20 per dose, which I believe is

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the figure that has been negotiated by the Government with the company,

:33:56.:34:00.

over six-month-old babies need two doses. About 800,000 children in the

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UK needed, about 3.5 million children in the age range, about

:34:09.:34:13.

?144 million to immunise those children. There were 139 children

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who contracted meningitis B last year. How many of those children

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died or were seriously damaged? That figure is for England, it might be

:34:27.:34:31.

higher for the UK, but about one in ten of them die, and a lot of the

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others, it has to be said, seriously injured. But to put it into

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perspective, last year the entire child and adolescent mental health

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budget for the whole UK, for the mental health of everyone about

:34:45.:34:48.

young children under 18, was ?700 million. We are talking about a

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fifth of the cost of the entire budget to immunise this group of

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people, possibly save 20 lives. I will give you the last word, do you

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see the difficult calculation that the doctors have to do? I presume it

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does not make any difference to your calculation. No, we think it would

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be cost-effective, because what if people do survive? The after-care

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and all that side of things. Plus, you know, if we are not successful,

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we have still raised awareness, and by doing that that could have saved

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lives. If you get to the doctor more quickly. Thank you both.

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Even if you are not much into football,

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and I was someone who at school was so bad at it that I would run

:35:34.:35:37.

around the pitch trying to look like I was taking an interest,

:35:38.:35:40.

whereas I was actually ensuring I was nowhere near the ball.

:35:41.:35:42.

But even for the least football-minded among us,

:35:43.:35:45.

this Premier League season has a potential fairy-tale narrative

:35:46.:35:47.

that gives Cinderella a run for its money.

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It's Leicester City, the unfancied Midlanders

:35:50.:35:52.

who are keeping the moneybag clubs off the top of the table.

:35:53.:35:55.

So what does club success mean for Leicester,

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and - the big question - can City hold their nerve

:35:57.:35:59.

Who would have thought it, Leicester is Stephen Smith.

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Who would have thought it, Leicester City are the new Barcelona! Jamie

:36:12.:36:16.

Vardy has created Premier League history... Lionel Messi and to have

:36:17.:36:24.

their famous style, but Leicester have chicken tikka. The afternoon

:36:25.:36:31.

belonged to Leicester City. We fight to win, every ball is the last ball.

:36:32.:36:37.

Can it be true that this diversity is united behind the most unlikely

:36:38.:36:41.

superstars, and is sharing in their good fortune? Leicester City topped

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the Gemili table, I never thought I would say that! Evening, officer,

:36:50.:36:54.

could we have a word for Her Majesty's and Newsnight? That is a

:36:55.:36:59.

very big camera, Sir! I am more than excited, a lot of guys are very

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excited about Leicester being at the top of the premiership. It is nice

:37:06.:37:08.

to know Leicester is on the map or something. We are going to win!

:37:09.:37:14.

There is more positivity around, definitely, yes. What Leicester is

:37:15.:37:18.

proving is that it is about teamwork. When Leicester play, we

:37:19.:37:23.

get really worked up that they are going to score at least two goals. I

:37:24.:37:30.

am on the scent of Leicester's extraordinary success. There is

:37:31.:37:35.

that, and I never could resist a skate wing and pickled eggs. Anyone

:37:36.:37:42.

a Leicester fan? Number one fan! How are you? Nice to meet you. Stone me,

:37:43.:37:53.

it is Leicester City legend Steve Walsh! Are you a regular here? Every

:37:54.:37:59.

Friday, fish and chips he holds the record for the most red cards in the

:38:00.:38:04.

Football League, never mind Boris Johnson, he knows how to make an

:38:05.:38:10.

exit. It is famously a very diverse city, is everyone involved, or is it

:38:11.:38:14.

mainly white folks? I think everybody in the country wants us to

:38:15.:38:18.

win the league. The whole of Leicester, I speak to everyone, we

:38:19.:38:24.

are connected together as a city. I think the neutral does want to

:38:25.:38:30.

support us now. They can see the Jamie Vardy type of player coming

:38:31.:38:34.

from the non-league club, it is Roy of the Rovers kind of story. Look at

:38:35.:38:42.

that, beautiful! That is why I am this big now. Since the last

:38:43.:38:47.

election campaign, the BBC has learned to treat all man-made data

:38:48.:38:52.

with caution, but we are happy to rely on superstition and necromancy,

:38:53.:38:56.

and be taught in Richard III's resting place is that the success of

:38:57.:39:02.

the Foxes is linked to the supernatural. Many people did not

:39:03.:39:07.

pay much attention. When we buried Richard, the king in the car park,

:39:08.:39:11.

now the king in the cathedral, it adds to our sense of civic pride,

:39:12.:39:15.

and the team doing well means everyone is walking around with our

:39:16.:39:19.

chests up, it is great. I hardly dare mention it, but the theory that

:39:20.:39:27.

now Richard is at peace, this has encouraged Leicester to do so well.

:39:28.:39:31.

It would be a hard theory to prove, wouldn't it? But it is all part of

:39:32.:39:35.

that sense of us gaining confidence in our identity. In a

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that sense of us gaining confidence had history that has been buried and

:39:40.:39:43.

hidden, it is now revealed in all kinds of different

:39:44.:39:54.

hidden, it is now revealed in all of 1962-63 were

:39:55.:39:55.

hidden, it is now revealed in all freeze on at the time, right through

:39:56.:40:09.

the country. We were on first or second, I do

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the country. We were on first or delusions of even winning it, and

:40:20.:40:23.

then it's gradually fails you, and it is not just finishing second or

:40:24.:40:28.

third, we went down to seventh. It was a great season for us, because

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we were a ballot of Leigh small club compared to some of the big boys. --

:40:34.:40:46.

a ballot of Leigh -- a relatively small club, and the whole town was

:40:47.:40:49.

behind you. And small club, and the whole town was

:40:50.:41:01.

means to today's supporters, every ball in the crucial away fixture

:41:02.:41:09.

with Arsenal. It is mind games. No, it is my game! Leicester is a

:41:10.:41:15.

multicultural city, QC that in the stadium, a lot of different

:41:16.:41:18.

cultures, people of different backgrounds coming together to

:41:19.:41:23.

support the team. -- you see that. I hate missing the match, it was my

:41:24.:41:27.

best friend's birthday on the same day as a Leicester match, and I was

:41:28.:41:31.

so upset that I had to miss the match to go to her birthday meal. We

:41:32.:41:38.

had a weekend away, we were in the restaurant, and I had the live score

:41:39.:41:41.

on my phone the whole time, I kept telling her the whole time, I am

:41:42.:41:45.

missing it because of you, you had better appreciated! -- appreciate

:41:46.:41:54.

it! As we game plan the run-in to the title, their real goal is to

:41:55.:41:59.

finish in the top four, ensuring lucrative European football in the

:42:00.:42:05.

city next year. That would salve the pain of the Ice Kings and their

:42:06.:42:09.

winter of discontent. I'm afraid the bookies do put

:42:10.:42:14.

Arsenal and Tottenham ahead of Leicester, but that could leave them

:42:15.:42:20.

in the top four. That is all for tonight, have a very good night.

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Temperatures continuing to fall overnight tonight, and extensive

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frost to stop tomorrow morning. Overall, a sparkling day of winter

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sunshine for

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