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Tonight, Newsnight learns the Vote Leave campaign

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is embarking on a new strategy, aimed at securing their core vote.

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Immigration will become their main issue.

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Expect to hear much less on issues of sovreignty.

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Our political editor Nick Watt has the story.

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Are you trying to run a positive and outward looking campaign but with

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evidence showing that turnout will be low, they have now decided to

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embark on a classic appeal to their base. -- the Leave campaign are

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trying to run. Also tonight, what does the narrow

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election of a Green president instead of one from the Far Right

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tell us about Austria and Europe? His supporters are cheering but this

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has been the narrowest of victories and Austria, much like Europe

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itself, is now a place of deeply How do you win an election campaign

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above all the shouting We speak to the man who ran

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Obama's 2012 presidential Andd previously unknown paintings

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by one of Britain's foremost 20th century artists

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Francis Bacon come to light, under the watchful eye

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of our arts correspondent, Four years after he died,

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a room was found which everyone had forgotten about with a lot

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of paintings in Newsnight has learnt of a change

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of strategy at the heart of the Vote Leave campaign,

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to help them get The campaign appears to be

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acknowledging that the economic argument has been harder to sell

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than they anticipated. As a result, the group campaigning

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for Britain to leave the EU on June 23rd will decide

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to stress their core The change of strategy has led

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to unease in some quarters, but the group insists this

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was always going to be the plan Our political editor Nick Watt has

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the story and is here with me now. Tell us what you are hearing. It is

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a difficult week for a Vote Leave. A succession of opinion polls has

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shown that the momentum is with Remain. The Vote Leave campaign,

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people are saying that they are not getting the economic risk argument

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across. But they are saying that there is a path to victory because

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another thing that pollsters are telling them is that turnout is

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going to be low. A low turnout is good for the Brexit campaign,

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because their supporters are more energised, but you have to get them

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out, and therefore, you have to talk to them and talk to them with core

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messages. Hence that focus on immigration. But it is interesting,

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people in the campaign are saying that this was always their

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intention. One person I spoke to said to me that this was all part of

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the strategy, we wanted to go hard on a liberal message at the start of

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the campaign and then we would go very hard on the NHS and immigration

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at the end. Well, I have to say, when I was chatting to similar

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people earlier in the year, that was not the message I got. The message

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was that we mustn't define our campaign on immigration because

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there is a ceiling of 20-30% immigration, and guess what, you

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could then repel other voters. So this was not what they were meant to

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be doing at the beginning of the campaign. And your sense within the

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campaign, how popular is this going to be, how uneasy are people? What

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is the mood? Well, there is an ease and criticism. One of the defining

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moments was a speech that Michael Gove made on the 19th of April,

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which he opened with a great, positive, optimistic vision, saying

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that this is what Britain could do, a proper democracy, a positive

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vision. But one person in the campaign said that he then did two

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things that offended their pollen findings. The first point, he said

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that they could liberate the continent of Europe and could be a

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contagion across Europe. Pollan says, do not frighten the core

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voters, who are older voters. A word like contagion frightens them. The

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second thing he did, he said that Vote Leave did not want to be in the

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single market and he gave the impression, although he did not

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actually say, that we could have the same relationship with Albania. And

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polling shows that one area where the Vote Leave campaign is weak is

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on trade and the economy. We don't want to be like Albania? Important

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to say that there are strong criticisms of Michael Gove within

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the campaign but there are others with heartfelt concerns. One

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minister said that we are facing a soon army of facts from George

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Osborne, from Mark Carney, from the IMF, and what can we do? All we can

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do against that is play defence. The one thing that we can play

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offensively is immigration. This minister does not feel comfortable

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about that but that is the only area where they can set the agenda.

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Interestingly, the Prime Minister is on his way to the G7 Summit were

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officially Brexit is not coming up, but if you look at the timetable,

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you will find that there is a big discussion on Thursday about trade

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and who is chairing that? It is one David Cameron. No doubt he will be

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hoping that other world leaders around the summit table might

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possibly agree with him about the dangers of Brexit. So you sense

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overall, is this a big moment for Vote Leave? Wasn't always going to

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happen? It feels like one of those moments in a presidential referendum

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campaign where the polls suggest you are heading in a certain direction

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and the weakness in the campaign is absolutely exposed. But this is a

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snapshot of where we are now. Vote Leave say, we do have a path for

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victory, and it is important to say that Conservative and Labour MPs on

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the inside are saying that we appear to be winning the era war, but they

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are very nervous because on the ground they see voters that they

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thought would naturally sympathise with them saying that they do not

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like the European Union and it is a chance to get out. And we will be

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talking a little more about ground water of a different kind. -- ground

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war. What are we to make

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of the result of Austria's That the far right

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candidate didn't win? Or that he opened the way

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for a Green party leader? Norbert Hofer, the presidential

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candidate of Austria's Freedom Party came within a hair's breadth

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of becoming the European Union's first far right head of state

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since the Second World War. And, as Gabriel Gatehouse

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reports from Vienna, may be read across the parties

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of the populist right in Europe that It was the postal

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ballots that swung it. In the end, there were only

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about 30,000 votes in it but they were enough

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for Alexander Van der Bellen, an aristocratic economist,

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the establishment candidate but not from one of the two historically

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dominant parties, and crucially also He vowed to unite his country,

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and he has got quite Well, the supporters are cheering

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but this has been the narrowest of victories and Austria,

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much like Europe itself, is now a place of deeply

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polarised politics. For some of his supporters, there

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was relief more than jubilation. Not least for this Syrian woman,

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a Vienna resident of 30 years who has taken

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in relatives who fled the war. This morning on the streets

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of the capital, a fresh The Freedom Party may have lost this

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time but it's got its eyes Perhaps it was the horrible weather,

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but in district number 10, a neighbourhood of working-class

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Austrians and immigrants, it didn't In the cafes, they started

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drinking before noon. Most people we spoke

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to were Freedom Party supporters. We have got a new president

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and it is the same as for ten Vienna is proud of

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its cultural history. The Freedom Party has capitalised

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on fears among some Austrians that their country is being

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overwhelmed by immigrants. In the run-up to this election,

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one incident helped A cleaner, in her 50s,

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was clubbed to death in the street. The suspect is a Kenyan who had

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overstayed his visa. The case was widely covered

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and her funeral was attended Paul Stadler was elected mayor

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of this district last year, a neighbourhood that had for decades

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been a stronghold of He does not like being

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called a Nazi. Like many parties on the European

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rights, the Freedom Party makes a conscious effort to sound

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reasonable. But for some, the rhetoric has disturbing echoes. This

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woman was eight when Germany annexed Austria. She remembers the Nazis

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marching in. I could realise what it meant, it was only a little event in

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school. The first class or upper second class, we had to have praying

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in the morning, and the next day another teacher came in and said,

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Heil Hitler. That was a change. From one day to another. And when you

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look at politics in Austria today, and what has been happening in the

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past few weeks, what do you think? That they are all wolves. At first I

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am thinking, is it possible that young people didn't learn anything

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from history? To arouse these ideas? To be clear, the Freedom Party is

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not the Nazi party. It is attracting voters from the right and the left,

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on issues that range from identity to economic. The selection tells us

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something really quite startling about the extent to which, the speed

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at which people are losing faith in the old political consensus, the old

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duopoly of centre-left versus centre-right which has governed so

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much of Europe since the end of the Second World War. It is no longer

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right and left. It is the division of education, income, wealth. Of sex

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also, because many more female voters support the left. Today's

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front pages call Mr Van der Bellen half a president. Austria is not the

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only country in Europe today where the dividing line is between those

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who feel they are benefiting from globalisation and those who are sure

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that they are not. Those against it have called it

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a "declaration of war" and say the North Yorkshire Council

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is riding roughshod over their democracy and their right

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to clean air and water. But the UK shale gas

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industry has just recevied a major shot in the arm

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with the approval by the council of the first fracking

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application for five years. The vote came after two

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full days of hearings will first test for up to six weeks

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to see if the rock below ground is suitable and

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gas can be extracted without destabilising

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the ground around it. It will then need permission

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on a large scale, which would lead to several hundred

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wells across North Yorkshire. North Yorkshire is nothing

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if not beautiful. So there is nervousness and anger

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that the county council yesterday granted the first license

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for fracking since the government lifted the moratorium

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on the practice in 2012. It is a decision that will be

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watched across much of Frackers hope to get to get gas

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here from the Bowland shale, a geological feature that can be

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tapped across much of Officials estimate that the amount

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of gas in the sale is 13 times larger than all of the reserves

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still under the North Sea, plus all of the gas

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we have drawn from it. Although of course much

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will not be recoverable. You can see why the Treasury

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is pro-fracking, so why What we had to focus on was the site

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itself and whether this We weren't determining

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whether fracking should be allowed nationally,

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or whether the technology was safe, that was covered

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by an environmental permit. This was about the land use

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of the specific site. This is the site in question and it

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really isn't a beauty spot. This has proven quite

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a straightforward case drilling for gas for 20 years

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using The site behind me

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where the fracking will happen is already fully

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screened off and protected. It's true that they have to build

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a new drilling rig to go alongside the existing kit,

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but this is hardly unspoiled Less than a mile in that direction

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is Flamingo Land, a big One major concern about fracking

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is ground water being tainted but even that

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isn't a problem here. The target for fracking is between

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2000 and 10,000 metres below the ground. To get there, fractures will

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have to go through the millstone grit formation. But the water there

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does not circulate and is a line to begin with. Ground water at this

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site does not go anywhere that it might affect anything. But local

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people like this GP and his son are less worried about the drilling as

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much as what will come next. I am worried about the president. This

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well has already been drilled and we knew it would be a difficult one to

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fight. But it does set a precedent. This area of north Yorkshire is

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licensed to third Energy and other companies waiting in the wings to

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see how this went. The green light means that now they are chomping at

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the bit and we will see applications coming in thick and fast. We know

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from studies in America the ground water can be impacted from fracking.

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I think this well will not be a problem because of the absence of an

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underlying aquifer, but we know that the returned water can be spilled,

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and sometimes it links into ground water from a defect in the well it

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self. And once you pollute and aquifer, there is no way to clean

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it. It is the fear that North Yorkshire could be spoiled and

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overrun by fractures that has led smaller councils in the area to

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oppose the county decision. We put in an objection, as did another 14

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Parish councils in the district. But ultimately, the responsibility was

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made by North Yorkshire County Council, who are the minerals

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authority. If you are sceptic about fracking, there are two big public

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policy decisions to be thinking about. The first of these is our

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national energy policy. This government has set out that it once

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more gas-fired plants and more home produced gas to go into them.

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Secondly, the government is changing the way that English local

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government is financed, specifically around business rates. And it is

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changing them in a way that makes it more lucrative for local government

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to improve planning decisions for economic development. In short, they

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are making it more costly for your local councillors from 2020 to turn

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down applications for fracking sites.

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Few sites will be as ready for fracking as this one, but the

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frackers have a policy tailwind. With us here in the studio,

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Ken Cronin from UK Onshore Oil and Gas, which represents

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the fracking industry and Donna Hume Nice of you to come in. Donna, what

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is your paramount worry? Friends of the Earth is really concerned about

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two thing firstly that this decision is incredibly disappointing bike

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Yorkshire county council and has been done against the wishes of the

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local people who are overwhelmingly opposed, 99% of them, responses to

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the Council, didn't want it to go ahead. The other point is about

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climate change, this industry is looking to get more fossil fuels out

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of the ground, six months after David Cameron came back from Paris

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and said we need to be tackling climate change. If we are going to

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have fracking on an industrial scale, it is the wrong direction for

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the country's energy policy. Why would the industry wants to fly in

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the face of such vehement local opposition? That must feel awful. I

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don't think onshore energy, wind, solar, shale except, it always has

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that kind of protest movement and shale is no different. Do you think

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there is a protest group against wind power? Yes. Can I just say

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actually, three times more people would like to live next to a wind

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turbine and a fracking site and that is unsurprising in terms of the

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local impact -- than a fracking site. I spoke to a woman who lived

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close to the proposed site and she said that when the well was drilled

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a couple of years ago, she could feel it in her house, the noise was

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appalling. Third Energy offered triple glazing and a fan so that

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they could keep the windows shut in the summer months. The actual

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Yorkshire Council, they saw the evidence for that and the noise was

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coming from a farm close by, a milking machine rather than any

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milking activity. In terms of living close by wind farms, shale sites,

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there are already 250 operating wells onshore in this country where

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people lived very close by, they are very happy. Why do you think there

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is a different sense with fracking? It is much more vocal and feels more

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vehement? Part of it is down to the fact that there are many myths

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portrayed, coming out of the US. We had a very different system of

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regulation in this country in terms of the way that we drill wells, we

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have four regulators and we have seen it in Yorkshire over the last

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two days, where a lot of evidence was produced and the council came

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down in favour. Is it possibly the fear of the unknown, hyped up from

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what we have seen? There is a lot that is unknown about fracking.

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Taking the American example, New York State conducted a two-year

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public health assessment and concluded that there were

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significant health risks and it's about risks, environmental. Coming

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back to the climate change point that wasn't answered, why are we

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trying to get more fossil fuels out of the ground when if we go down the

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future of renewables which doesn't have these questions and will help

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us to reduce carbon emissions and putting more into the atmosphere.

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The first thing to say is that this country in 15 years will have an 80%

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import dependency and those imports for gas will come from across oceans

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and continents which has a major environmental impact. Studies show

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that home-grown gas will have a much better environmental effect. You

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think we can stop importing completely? The shale industry can

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stop our import dependency by about 50%. While so think there is a myth

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here about renewables versus gas. What we've seen in America is a

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massive increase in renewables alongside shale. 18 states in

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America we have seen a 678% increase in wind power investments. Let me

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bring you back to the argument, do you feel that you have lost this?

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The point that Chris Cook made is that it has become cheaper to make

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these applications, you have seen the green light, is there a sense,

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the campaigners feel they are on the losing end of this? Certainly not,

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there's no doubt is going to be very difficult for fracking to go ahead

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in this country with this much opposition, where ever it is

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proposed, it is opposed. I was outside North Yorkshire County

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Council and every person I spoke to, every resident Ted Babel promised to

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continue fighting this. This is one well -- every resident I spoke to

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promised. Do you sense that the industry has won this? I don't think

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this is a victory at all, it is a small step for the industry and our

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country to get ourselves off gas imports. We have a duty now to make

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sure that all of those promises we made in the planning application are

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kept to. That the regulations are kept to. I remind you that there has

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been a well cited there for over 20 years, over 100 wells have been

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drilled without any complaints or environmental issues. Why would we

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want to be setting up a new fossil fuel infrastructure when we must

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stop climate change? I have to stop you, thank you.

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The people of Aleppo are preparing themselves for a seige.

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Those living in the middle of town fear it won't be long until supplies

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Russian's defence ministry believes up to 6,000 insurgent

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fighters are gathering in preparation of a major offensive

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The fragile ceasefire brokered between Russia and the US

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in the last two months has come under renewed threat as terrorist

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factions like Islamic State and Al Nusra continue

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Aleppo, once a major stronghold of terrorists, remains

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a key strategic hot spot of their group focus.

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Mark Urban asks what happens when your whole way

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Aleppo is among the world's most ancient and celebrated cities and it

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has long been Syria's commercial powerhouse. The market and mosques

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have made it a cultural duel too. Little wonder that it is one of the

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great prizes of the present civil War. A scene of slaughter that this

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month has intensified. As government forces sense victory. Assad and the

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Russian planes... And the plane don't stop from nine

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o'clock until now. Tenor 15 people died by the plains of Assad -- ten

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or 15. Not all of the country is a war zone, press TV, and Iranians

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broadcaster sympathetic to President Assad, has shown life returning to

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normal, in parts of Aleppo. Residents are trying to restore

:25:15.:25:18.

their lifestyle. This is the scene away from the front lines, where the

:25:19.:25:22.

shifting fortunes of battle has given President Assad's supporters

:25:23.:25:24.

reason to feel confident. In the last few months,

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Syrian government forces have advanced to the point where they've

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almost cut off Aleppo city centre. And they are now fighting

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here and here to sever that tongue of land held by the rebels that goes

:25:34.:25:36.

into the middle of town. Today we spoken to three people

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who are in the centre of Aleppo. Wissam, a teacher, Bebars,

:25:40.:25:49.

who works for the civil defence network and Ahmed,

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a city health worker who told us about how the people are now

:25:52.:25:54.

regarding the prospect Maybe Aleppo will be under siege at

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any time. We have some... Storage of medicines and food, some clean

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water. As the net tightens, citizens tell us that most of those who want

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to go have already left. We don't have other options. A lot of people

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ran away. The place where I lived, there are 4500 people and it used to

:26:48.:26:50.

be more than a million. Among those who remained there is a kind of

:26:51.:26:53.

normality, including children going to school. We have two weeks when

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there was heavy shelling and we continued to finish exams, and

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finish school. We are about to finish now. Life goes on.

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Pro-government forces say they are confronting thousands of terrorists

:27:17.:27:21.

in Aleppo but the fight has brought the truce negotiated in Geneva

:27:22.:27:24.

earlier this year close to collapse and all for a prize that one former

:27:25.:27:32.

peace negotiator says is illusory. If the regime captures Aleppo it is

:27:33.:27:38.

not the end of the war, they adapt themselves. We saw what happened

:27:39.:27:46.

yesterday in other areas, which were considered to be safe, it isn't

:27:47.:27:53.

going to end, not to be cynical or pessimistic. There are other

:27:54.:27:58.

realities on the ground. The current battle will ruin still more lives

:27:59.:28:02.

and level more of Syria's history but it is a struggle that each side

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is convinced is worth it. With less than a month to go

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until the country goes to the polls, we've been hearing from people away

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from the front line of politics. Hillary Alexander, the Telegraph's

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former fashion editor, explains how she'll be voting

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in the EU referendum, With the referendum,

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I've been kind of swaying back and forth in the last few weeks

:28:21.:28:40.

since it really started hotting up. But at the moment, I'm inclined

:28:41.:28:44.

much more towards leave. I suppose in favour of staying,

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the idea, you know, of a united But only if it's in terms

:28:52.:28:55.

of something like Eurovision. I watch Eurovision and that to me

:28:56.:29:07.

seems a very happy Europe. It's almost hysterical claims

:29:08.:29:10.

about third World War, huge recession, job losses and yet

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when you look at the latest statistics on exports,

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less than half of our exports And I can't understand why

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there couldn't be more development with south-east Asia,

:29:29.:29:36.

South America, America, with I think a lot of the people,

:29:37.:29:39.

especially in government who want to stay in the EU

:29:40.:29:49.

are probably hoping to have a job in Brussels when their career

:29:50.:29:52.

in Parliament finishes so they can I think a lot of figures

:29:53.:29:57.

have been banded around But at the end of the day,

:29:58.:30:03.

I think it very much comes down It's like when you are buying

:30:04.:30:10.

a house, you walk in the door and you will know instantly

:30:11.:30:14.

whether you like it or not. So what do we understand

:30:15.:30:17.

about the way modern One of the possibly the most

:30:18.:30:28.

successful social media campaigns was Barack Obama's

:30:29.:30:36.

presidential election of 2012. If you explained to us, the most

:30:37.:30:51.

important thing to get right in a campaign like that, apart from the

:30:52.:30:54.

candidate, what is it? A campaign is full of many moving parts and the

:30:55.:30:58.

main thing is that it is always about just the candidates. The

:30:59.:31:02.

important thing is making sure that everything else falls in behind.

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That is why often technology or strategies, they do not appear as

:31:09.:31:11.

quickly as when you look at them. They are a little bit behind. It is

:31:12.:31:16.

always about the candidate. So I guess there is a mundane process,

:31:17.:31:21.

isn't fair? About getting people on the electoral register, getting them

:31:22.:31:25.

out to vote. How hands-on do you have to be in terms of following on?

:31:26.:31:33.

It is relatively anachronistic. It is making phone calls and knocking

:31:34.:31:38.

on doors. And that doesn't go even in the modern Europe? And I love

:31:39.:31:42.

that, because this might be the first time that young people have

:31:43.:31:45.

knocked on a door for a campaign in their life. They are doing it

:31:46.:31:48.

because they really believe. These are the same things that happened in

:31:49.:31:53.

the 80s or the 70s or the 60s. The grassroots has not changed. What has

:31:54.:31:58.

changed is how technology has augmented that and made it more

:31:59.:32:03.

efficient. What do you make of the campaigns that the candidates are

:32:04.:32:08.

running? Barack Obama made that quip in the Washington correspondents

:32:09.:32:10.

dinner about Hillary Clinton on Facebook sounding like your great

:32:11.:32:14.

aunt. It sounds like he does not buy her strategy. I'm not sure if it is

:32:15.:32:20.

so much that her strict Taji -- her strategy is not to be bought as much

:32:21.:32:24.

as there are a lot of things happening in the political world of

:32:25.:32:27.

the US. So no one knows what is going on. And I suppose that is

:32:28.:32:33.

enigmatic. What do you mean by that? Donald Trump recently said that data

:32:34.:32:38.

was not all that, that the stuff we did in 2012 did not matter. I think

:32:39.:32:42.

that is wrong but what you see instead is that the candidates are

:32:43.:32:45.

battling on Facebook and Twitter, they are really interacting. And if

:32:46.:32:50.

you look at Donald Trump's Twitter following, he has got more Twitter

:32:51.:32:55.

followers than the New York Times has readers. Does that mean that he

:32:56.:32:59.

has won his media war without the mainstream press? I don't think he

:33:00.:33:05.

has won it without, I think he has won it with. Donald Trump is a

:33:06.:33:08.

genius at engaging the mainstream media. Part of that is because he

:33:09.:33:13.

does not appear to follow the rules that more rational people are

:33:14.:33:18.

following. And I don't know who does his tweeting, or his posts. Is it

:33:19.:33:24.

him directly or someone on his staff? But they are consistent and

:33:25.:33:27.

they seem genuine. They seem crazy but genuine. I would not be

:33:28.:33:32.

surprised if it was him. And do you think that he can mobilise his vote?

:33:33.:33:37.

This is one of the questions, whether all the people that turn up

:33:38.:33:40.

to the rallies or talk about him are actually signed up to register or if

:33:41.:33:45.

there is going to be a big gap in the grassroots. What we see right

:33:46.:33:50.

now, and this is what we're reading about, is that the voters currently

:33:51.:33:53.

voting for a Donald Trump are voters who maybe have not appeared before.

:33:54.:33:57.

I think if you look at the reason for the rise of Trump, and it is the

:33:58.:34:01.

same as the rise of Bernie Sanders... Or the rise of Obama. I

:34:02.:34:05.

don't think this is the same as Obama because the Trump and Bernie

:34:06.:34:10.

Sanders phenomenon are largely because of a pain in the middle of

:34:11.:34:14.

America, these people whose plan was changed. They do not have jobs and

:34:15.:34:18.

they cannot afford their mortgage. Their children will no longer

:34:19.:34:22.

achieve more wealth than they did or more opportunities. When the

:34:23.:34:25.

opportunity is gone, they are looking for a solution and Donald

:34:26.:34:28.

Trump and Bernie Sanders are offering a solution. More broadly,

:34:29.:34:33.

and we have been talking this evening about the Brexit campaign,

:34:34.:34:37.

when you look at a campaign changing direction or strategy, does that

:34:38.:34:42.

tell you that they are being very savvy, that they are onto it? Can

:34:43.:34:46.

you win a campaign when you have done a sharp turn? Absolutely.

:34:47.:34:53.

Either some polling or some interaction with the people that

:34:54.:34:56.

they are targeting resulted in them finding something, maybe they found,

:34:57.:35:00.

I don't know what the term was that maybe they found that the original

:35:01.:35:07.

target was the soul. Maybe they do not need to interact with them,

:35:08.:35:12.

because they agree already. -- the original target was sold. So, let's

:35:13.:35:16.

go after another demographic. This happens all the time in campaigns

:35:17.:35:20.

were you find you have reached saturation point within a

:35:21.:35:23.

constituency so you move onto another demographic or constituency.

:35:24.:35:26.

Also it could show that maybe they are losing in that demographic. It

:35:27.:35:31.

could be, well, we are not successful year so let's go

:35:32.:35:34.

somewhere more successful. Often the name of the game is resources. If

:35:35.:35:39.

you run out of resources before the election or before the referendum,

:35:40.:35:43.

you have nothing else. Great to have you here.

:35:44.:35:45.

We know that as many as several of you sit through this programme

:35:46.:35:49.

just to see what our Culture Editor has to offer, in his coveted

:35:50.:35:52.

sweeping-the-floor-and-stacking-the- -chairs slot.

:35:53.:35:54.

And tonight he shouldn't disappoint, with previously unseen -

:35:55.:35:56.

indeed, unknown - paintings by one of the greatest artists of the

:35:57.:35:59.

Scores of them have come to light during ten years of research

:36:00.:36:08.

into a complete record, or catalogue raissone,

:36:09.:36:10.

of the painter's work, which can fetch up to ?90

:36:11.:36:13.

Stephen Smith has been talking to the art world sleuth

:36:14.:36:16.

who found the pictures - and to Francis Bacon's former GP.

:36:17.:36:33.

On a lesser show, if we could imagine it,

:36:34.:36:40.

like "Martin Harrison has been bringing home the Bacon."

:36:41.:36:43.

Over ten long years he has been doggedly tracking down dozens

:36:44.:36:46.

Even in terms of dating, it's the one about which I am

:36:47.:36:50.

It was one of a group of paintings that emerged

:36:51.:36:54.

after Bacon died in a sense, as a fluke.

:36:55.:36:58.

I think he simply forgot about a lot of them.

:36:59.:37:01.

So four years after he died, a room was found that

:37:02.:37:04.

everyone had forgotten about with a lot of paintings in.

:37:05.:37:10.

With the support of the estate of Francis Bacon, Harrison has now

:37:11.:37:13.

produced a complete record of his work.

:37:14.:37:18.

It fills five volumes, weighs half a stone and will

:37:19.:37:20.

It is easy to see why he was so admired in his youth.

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It was a descendant of his cousins, in their collection.

:37:28.:37:38.

Tell us about the gumshoe element of this.

:37:39.:37:40.

I used to cycle around all the different branch libraries

:37:41.:37:42.

where I was brought up in the 50s, to get any new Sherlock Holmes that

:37:43.:37:49.

At school, I did not know what I wanted to do and I thought

:37:50.:37:54.

of trying to be a detective but in those days you have to do two

:37:55.:37:58.

years on the beat first and I did not want to hit people

:37:59.:38:01.

with truncheons, I wanted to solve cases.

:38:02.:38:03.

So the weirdo youth detective has come in handy here.

:38:04.:38:05.

Last year I pinned down a painting called Two Americans and suddenly

:38:06.:38:08.

It is about a metre wide and there it is,

:38:09.:38:19.

this thing you've known as a fuzzy black and white image

:38:20.:38:21.

looking at the painting and the colour of the flesh.

:38:22.:38:25.

There have been hundreds of moments like that and that's one

:38:26.:38:28.

I feel at home here in this chaos because chaos suggests images to me.

:38:29.:38:32.

Not necessarily, just that I love living, I love living in chaos.

:38:33.:38:36.

In any case, if I go into a new room, in a week's time, the thing

:38:37.:38:40.

As well as losing track of his ouvre, Bacon destroyed

:38:41.:38:46.

paintings he did not like and rarely set down his thoughts,

:38:47.:38:49.

even about such crises as the suicide of his lover,

:38:50.:38:51.

There are one or two bits of diaries with about two lines in them.

:38:52.:38:59.

exactly a year later, which is very interesting, actually.

:39:00.:39:09.

There is very little that is personal.

:39:10.:39:22.

From Charlie Chester's gambling houses, he handed out diaries

:39:23.:39:24.

We ran into Bacon's former GP who was

:39:25.:39:31.

sometimes called to patch up the worse for wear artist.

:39:32.:39:43.

I said, you would have to go and see a plastic surgeon

:39:44.:39:46.

properly and he said no, absolutely not, you stitch it, now.

:39:47.:39:50.

So we laid him on the table in his studio, I

:39:51.:39:53.

I said to him, I used local anaesthetic and he said,

:39:54.:39:56.

no, I don't want to use it and he was so drunk I don't

:39:57.:40:00.

When he was very ill he said, you know, Paul, when I'm dead,

:40:01.:40:04.

my paintings won't be worth anything.

:40:05.:40:09.

And I keep wondering what he would say if he knew what was

:40:10.:40:13.

'Francis Bacon, Six Studies in Soho', featuring previously

:40:14.:40:23.

unseen works, is on show at Lexington Street, London,

:40:24.:40:26.

Bacon's Catalogue Raisonne will then appear online.

:40:27.:40:34.

Happy birthday to Bob Dylan, who's 75 today.

:40:35.:40:37.

# Come gather around people, where ever you call.

:40:38.:40:49.

And admit that the waters around you have grown.

:40:50.:40:52.

# And accept that they will soon be drenched to the bone.

:40:53.:40:56.

# If your time to you is worth saving.

:40:57.:41:03.

# Then you better start swimming or you'll sink like a stone.

:41:04.:41:18.

For the times they are a-changin'.. We have a very different look and

:41:19.:41:22.

feel to the weather on Wednesday. There is a lot more cloud around and

:41:23.:41:26.

as a result, temperatures will be lower than they were

:41:27.:41:27.

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