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Tonight exclusively on Newsnight a senior Labour figure | :00:00. | :00:08. | |
tells us he fears Remain is going to lose the referendum. | :00:09. | :00:12. | |
I think here we are, two weeks away from the very real | :00:13. | :00:15. | |
prospect that Britain will vote for isolation. | :00:16. | :00:17. | |
We report on serious concerns in Labour that the party's elite | :00:18. | :00:25. | |
is failing to engage with the issues that matter to grass | :00:26. | :00:28. | |
And I'll be talking to the Shadow Work | :00:29. | :00:32. | |
She was very sweet, she was listing to me, but I don't think I was | :00:33. | :00:44. | |
making any progress. -- listening. We've sent two campaigners | :00:45. | :00:47. | |
for Vote Leave and Remain The sister of the Eritrean man | :00:48. | :00:51. | |
extradited to face human trafficking charges after a major | :00:52. | :00:55. | |
British security operation insists her brother is a victim | :00:56. | :00:56. | |
of mistaken identity. He's not a human trafficker, I'm | :00:57. | :01:01. | |
sure of that. He is my brother. A damning report on the UVF pub | :01:02. | :01:08. | |
massacre in Loughinisland 22 years ago finds there was significant | :01:09. | :01:11. | |
collusion between the killers We speak to the solicitor | :01:12. | :01:13. | |
for the justice campaign. The official White House | :01:14. | :01:21. | |
photographer who has been with the President every step | :01:22. | :01:24. | |
of the way. I said to myself, if he ever became | :01:25. | :01:32. | |
president, this is a picture you will never see again. | :01:33. | :01:39. | |
Newsnight tonight reveals the deep anxieties of a senior Labour figure | :01:40. | :01:45. | |
that the party is not getting the message out to labour | :01:46. | :01:51. | |
voters to back Remain, and indeed that the message | :01:52. | :01:58. | |
being sent down from the Labour elite is out of tune | :01:59. | :02:01. | |
The former shadow home secretary Andy Burnham has told this programme | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
that he has serious concerns that the country will vote to leave | :02:06. | :02:07. | |
the EU, and that if that happened it could trigger a domino effect | :02:08. | :02:11. | |
which could lead to the breakup of the United Kingdom. | :02:12. | :02:13. | |
Here's our political editor Nick Watt. | :02:14. | :02:18. | |
Blink and you probably missed it, the once mighty Labour machine has | :02:19. | :02:25. | |
been somewhat underpowered during this historic moment in modern | :02:26. | :02:30. | |
British politics. Nothing can go wrong. You would have to be on a | :02:31. | :02:35. | |
very long holiday to a distant galaxy to Misty blue on blue | :02:36. | :02:39. | |
shelling that is shaping perceptions of this referendum. -- to miss. Are | :02:40. | :02:46. | |
we missing the rupture between red and red, the hidden story of this | :02:47. | :02:49. | |
campaign which might do more to decide the result? The working man | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
is not going to prosper when we come out, I don't think, because our | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
largest market will turn our back. We seem to be a country that is open | :02:59. | :03:05. | |
to anything, we have not got our own identity any more. Andy Burnham | :03:06. | :03:10. | |
received a mixed reception from voters on the streets of Manchester, | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
as once natural Labour supporters say they have abandoned the party in | :03:16. | :03:18. | |
favour of Ukip and now is about getting out of the European Union. | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
These encounters illustrated one of his main themes, there is a | :03:23. | :03:26. | |
disconnect between the elite and grassroots voters. And that explains | :03:27. | :03:32. | |
why this referendum is now so close. We've definitely been too much | :03:33. | :03:37. | |
Hampstead and not enough Hull in recent times, and we need to change | :03:38. | :03:43. | |
that. Are you concerned that the referendum could be slipping away? | :03:44. | :03:50. | |
Yes. Here we are, two weeks away from the very real prospect that | :03:51. | :03:55. | |
Britain will vote for isolation, it would be isolation. I think it would | :03:56. | :04:00. | |
have a profound effect on our national life. The fragmentation | :04:01. | :04:04. | |
that will come and the fear and division, those are the things that | :04:05. | :04:10. | |
the terrorists could not great with our bombs, but we will have a | :04:11. | :04:13. | |
situation where society becomes more divided. If this decision is taken, | :04:14. | :04:21. | |
the dominoes will start to fall and it won't just be the EU that breaks | :04:22. | :04:28. | |
up, it will be Britain, as well. The mismatch between Labour activists | :04:29. | :04:30. | |
and wider supporters has been borne out by polls. One found 27% of | :04:31. | :04:36. | |
Labour supporters want to leave the EU, and another found a just 10% of | :04:37. | :04:51. | |
Labour members favour Brexit. Immigration is what they tend to | :04:52. | :04:56. | |
break as one of the biggest problems, the voters, and that is | :04:57. | :04:59. | |
where they are most at odds with the party they have traditionally voted | :05:00. | :05:04. | |
for and on that issue that they hear the Leave campaign and the Brexit | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
politicians really resonating with them. Andy Burnham is planning to | :05:09. | :05:14. | |
relocate his political career entirely to the North West, as the | :05:15. | :05:18. | |
new mayor of greater Manchester to repair relations with voters who | :05:19. | :05:20. | |
should be Labour's natural supporters. He wants to avoid a | :05:21. | :05:27. | |
repeat of the fate suffered by the party in Scotland after the | :05:28. | :05:32. | |
independence referendum. There is a parallel between the Scottish | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
referendum and what happens to Labour after it and the European | :05:37. | :05:39. | |
referendum, there is, quite a clear parallel. Labour could be threatened | :05:40. | :05:47. | |
afterwards. If we are perceived not to be listening to the concerns that | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
people have expressed. Another challenge for Labour, divisions | :05:53. | :05:55. | |
between former ministers such as Andy Burnham and their leader Jeremy | :05:56. | :06:00. | |
Corbyn. His support for the EU is not exactly heartfelt. Ukip hopes to | :06:01. | :06:06. | |
exploit these divisions as the party attempts to build on its recent | :06:07. | :06:11. | |
modest success in the North West. You have a leader of the Labour | :06:12. | :06:14. | |
Party who clearly is on the record as being anti-EU, and Jeremy Corbyn | :06:15. | :06:20. | |
is now a hostage of the Parliamentary Labour Party. He | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
stands there defending the right for us to be in the EU, and they will | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
pay a price for that after the referendum. But there are some | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
hopeful lines for Labour, Andy Burnham met if you can through | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
spirits in Manchester bash hopeful signs. You are definitely in? Yes. | :06:39. | :06:46. | |
I'm a small business, and you want to be international and trade with | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
other countries. For the moment, Andy Burnham is focusing on winning | :06:51. | :06:54. | |
back former members of the Labour tribe by spelling out the benefits | :06:55. | :06:59. | |
of the EU, he hopes the experience of his father who benefited from EU | :07:00. | :07:02. | |
free movement rules to find work in Germany after missing his job, we'll | :07:03. | :07:09. | |
win over the sceptics. That is it is established in the national psyche, | :07:10. | :07:12. | |
the Alfie design pattern generation, they left to find work elsewhere, at | :07:13. | :07:18. | |
additional industry was being removed by Margaret Thatcher, and | :07:19. | :07:20. | |
that is remembered well in the North West. -- as traditional industry. If | :07:21. | :07:28. | |
it was good enough for us back then, why is it not good enough for others | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
now? Brexit will limit the life chances of today's generation, | :07:34. | :07:37. | |
because if times get tough again, they won't be able to find work | :07:38. | :07:41. | |
elsewhere as easily as we did in the past. Reaching out to an iconic | :07:42. | :07:49. | |
1980s television series shows the scale of Labour's challenging | :07:50. | :07:51. | |
reconnecting with its former grassroots supporters. Calmer waters | :07:52. | :07:57. | |
are likely to remain a long way off regardless of the referendum result. | :07:58. | :08:03. | |
Well, joining me now is Owen Smith - the Shadow Work | :08:04. | :08:06. | |
You heard what Andy Burnham had to say, a real prospect of isolation. | :08:07. | :08:15. | |
Do you agree? It is balanced on a knife edge at it is possible it | :08:16. | :08:19. | |
could go either way. It has clearly got more difficult for those of us | :08:20. | :08:22. | |
who believe we should be remaining to make the case in recent weeks, | :08:23. | :08:27. | |
and the Leave campaign have had the mental, but Andy said what we have | :08:28. | :08:33. | |
got to emphasise -- have had the momentum. Working people need to | :08:34. | :08:38. | |
stay because they will be worse off if we leave. He recognises there is | :08:39. | :08:43. | |
a disconnect between the Labour elite at Westminster and what | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
working-class Labour supporters are fearful. I'm not sure that is right. | :08:49. | :08:56. | |
70% of Labour supporters, Labour voters, are in favour of staying in, | :08:57. | :09:01. | |
so there is actually quite a clear correlation between our position of | :09:02. | :09:05. | |
being in and what pollsters have been told, but on immigration and | :09:06. | :09:09. | |
other things, there are clearly massive worries around the country. | :09:10. | :09:16. | |
These worries people have come at you have not sufficiently reassured | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
people about, that is quite clear. I do agree. You have not taken on | :09:20. | :09:26. | |
immigration properly. Immigration is something people worry about, but we | :09:27. | :09:31. | |
are hearing that people are worried about jobs and security and the | :09:32. | :09:35. | |
nature of the work they have and wages, and immigration has become | :09:36. | :09:38. | |
something which sits alongside all of those things, it is bound up with | :09:39. | :09:45. | |
a sense of loss and decline, especially in working-class former | :09:46. | :09:47. | |
industrial areas and we have got to be doing more to speak to those | :09:48. | :09:50. | |
people because they are our people. John Mann, MP of yours, he has | :09:51. | :09:58. | |
announced that he backs the Leave campaign, he says it is not | :09:59. | :10:01. | |
representing working-class interests and he says people are terrified to | :10:02. | :10:08. | |
talk about immigration, and he says there is a mismatch between the | :10:09. | :10:12. | |
things that matter to you and the people in the North West. I come | :10:13. | :10:20. | |
from Pontypridd and directly sent a South Wales working-class | :10:21. | :10:22. | |
constituency and I know the people I represent -- and I represent. I | :10:23. | :10:26. | |
think John Mann is completely wrong about this. For my people in my | :10:27. | :10:34. | |
constituency, and people in Andy's constituency, they will be worse off | :10:35. | :10:37. | |
if we leave the European Union, we will have less tax revenue and we | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
will see a hard right wing Tory government led by nincompoops like | :10:42. | :10:46. | |
Boris Johnson taking money away from my constituency. I would suggest to | :10:47. | :10:53. | |
you, what John Mann says, what kind of country we want to live in in 20 | :10:54. | :10:59. | |
years' time, do we want an extra ten within people living here? He says | :11:00. | :11:03. | |
these are the concerns of working class people and you are dismissive | :11:04. | :11:10. | |
of these fears. I said I'm not dismissive of people regarding | :11:11. | :11:13. | |
immigration and I'd do not think we have done enough to address that | :11:14. | :11:19. | |
issue. -- I do not think. There is a genuine need for us to listen to | :11:20. | :11:25. | |
what people are saying, they want us to do something about it, but we | :11:26. | :11:28. | |
should not cut off our noses to spite our face. What is Jeremy | :11:29. | :11:34. | |
Corbyn going to say about the referendum? He is going to say that | :11:35. | :11:40. | |
we hear people's concerns about what immigration does in terms of | :11:41. | :11:43. | |
depressing wages and causing problems in communities, but we have | :11:44. | :11:47. | |
got to express the truth of the complexity, if we had not had | :11:48. | :11:50. | |
immigration we would not have had any bounce back in our economy, and | :11:51. | :11:57. | |
we would not have the NHS... Is that not patronising to your voters? The | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
way in which they are being patronised is being sold a simple | :12:03. | :12:05. | |
lie by the Brexit campaign, which is if you leave we will be better off | :12:06. | :12:12. | |
and we will sort out immigration. You do not hold with Andy Burnham's | :12:13. | :12:15. | |
view that the lesson in the Scottish referendum is one that you should | :12:16. | :12:18. | |
take because you are very much in peril? Look at what happened to | :12:19. | :12:24. | |
Labour after the election and the referendum. I do not think that an | :12:25. | :12:29. | |
allergy is right, the fact is, all parties are split, the Tories are | :12:30. | :12:35. | |
split on this -- I don't think that an allergy is right. We need to work | :12:36. | :12:40. | |
to raid saying those voters after the election, but I go back to the | :12:41. | :12:44. | |
central point, we have got to be clear, Labour collectively, a few | :12:45. | :12:49. | |
people apart, are in favour of staying in because for those | :12:50. | :12:52. | |
workers, even if they have concerns about immigration, they will be | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
worse off, they and their families, if we leave. What happens when you | :12:58. | :13:04. | |
have Labour voters who voted to leave, are they not your people? Of | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
course they are. Whichever way people vote, in this election. We | :13:10. | :13:15. | |
have got to represent all of these people, but we have also got to be | :13:16. | :13:19. | |
leaders and our view as leaders of the Labour movement in this country, | :13:20. | :13:28. | |
trade unions and people like me, people will be better off, ordinary | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
working people will be better off if we stay in the EU and they will be | :13:33. | :13:36. | |
financially disadvantaged, we will have another recession, a hard right | :13:37. | :13:39. | |
wing Tory government making more cuts. They will scrap workers' | :13:40. | :13:46. | |
rights and make cuts in our communities and we will lose out, | :13:47. | :13:50. | |
not them. You have a different agenda but you on the same side as | :13:51. | :13:57. | |
the Tories in this. Not half of them. What will you say to all the | :13:58. | :14:03. | |
Labour supporters of yours in the North East, with Ukip around, what | :14:04. | :14:07. | |
do you say to them about their views? We will say that we have | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
heard loud and clear, whichever way the vote goes, that people have deep | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
concerns about immigration and concerns about the fact that | :14:17. | :14:19. | |
post-industrial bits of Britain, are not very well, we need an active | :14:20. | :14:25. | |
government, and active strategy, putting jobs back into the divinity, | :14:26. | :14:28. | |
and if Labour does not do that, no one is going to. -- into the | :14:29. | :14:31. | |
community. Thanks for joining us. Business leaders have been | :14:32. | :14:35. | |
in the forefront of the EU debate, on both sides of the divide, | :14:36. | :14:37. | |
but now the universities, who've been drowned out, | :14:38. | :14:40. | |
are upping the volume. The difference is they are all | :14:41. | :14:42. | |
singing from the same hymn sheet, Chris Cook has had sight of a report | :14:43. | :14:44. | |
they're publishing tomorrow. This is a report focusing on the | :14:45. | :14:52. | |
contribution of the European Union's research budgets to UK universities. | :14:53. | :14:57. | |
British universities do for nominally well, we get around one in | :14:58. | :15:04. | |
?7 that the EU spends on research in the whole of the EU, and that | :15:05. | :15:11. | |
supports 19,000 jobs, but to be clear, universities get a lot of | :15:12. | :15:17. | |
money, not just on research, but from foreign students, EU students, | :15:18. | :15:22. | |
and they do not want to leave, for mercenary reasons, you might think, | :15:23. | :15:26. | |
but also for other reasons, they are very keen on international | :15:27. | :15:29. | |
collaboration in research which they think is a key thing that the EU | :15:30. | :15:35. | |
enables. Will we hear more from universities? | :15:36. | :15:40. | |
We will not only hear more, we will see something we have not seen | :15:41. | :15:47. | |
before, it is common universities to make pitches to the country and to | :15:48. | :15:51. | |
Westminster, no university leaders are making a play to get their own | :15:52. | :15:55. | |
staff and students to vote for Remain. Appealing to their captive | :15:56. | :16:03. | |
photos. There are millions of students disproportionately young, | :16:04. | :16:07. | |
well-educated, classic Remain quotas and the universities are desperate | :16:08. | :16:11. | |
to mobilise them. The principal of Edinburgh has written to his | :16:12. | :16:15. | |
students basically recommending a Remain vote. The Vice Chancellor of | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
Exeter has done the same in weaker language. I know at least three | :16:20. | :16:24. | |
other vice Chancellors working with their councils on how far it is | :16:25. | :16:27. | |
appropriate for them to go but they are desperate and next week we will | :16:28. | :16:31. | |
see more from the chancellors. Chris Cook, thank you very much. | :16:32. | :16:34. | |
Now the art of persuasion is very important in a Referendum, | :16:35. | :16:37. | |
so we have deployed a passionate advocate on each side of the debate, | :16:38. | :16:40. | |
to take their message into if not quite into the enemy camp then | :16:41. | :16:43. | |
to areas where the majority appears to be against them. | :16:44. | :16:45. | |
Film-maker Warwick Harrington took Roland Rudd, from Business | :16:46. | :16:47. | |
into Europe, to Wolverhampton, and the former spokeswoman | :16:48. | :16:50. | |
for the UK Independence Party Suzanne Burns | :16:51. | :16:52. | |
I think we are going to Hampstead because I'm throwing myself into | :16:53. | :17:23. | |
Why do you think Hampstead is so Europhile? | :17:24. | :17:44. | |
I don't know Hampstead terribly well but I | :17:45. | :17:46. | |
am guessing there are people there who are quite wealthy, has prices | :17:47. | :17:49. | |
The sort of people who probably have not felt | :17:50. | :17:55. | |
the impact of mass uncontrolled immigration | :17:56. | :17:56. | |
the kind of jobs where people's wages are being forced down. | :17:57. | :18:06. | |
Wolverhampton is a great place to go to because it | :18:07. | :18:09. | |
big majority for Out, there is real concern | :18:10. | :18:12. | |
about immigration and perhaps not necessarily an | :18:13. | :18:16. | |
understanding of just how important economically | :18:17. | :18:21. | |
understanding of just how important economically it is for people in | :18:22. | :18:24. | |
It's amazing being here because 30 years ago, I | :18:25. | :18:27. | |
started as a journalist at the Express and Star and recently they | :18:28. | :18:30. | |
had a very interesting poll saying that 80% favoured Brexit. | :18:31. | :18:32. | |
This was one of the strongest entries in the world | :18:33. | :18:37. | |
once, why can't we be like that again? | :18:38. | :18:39. | |
I don't really like Nigel Farage but what he | :18:40. | :18:42. | |
says makes sense, I watched last night and I watched David Cameron, | :18:43. | :18:45. | |
Nigel Farage is passionate about this country. | :18:46. | :18:47. | |
Lately I'm feeling what will happen to my | :18:48. | :18:50. | |
She wants a bigger house, she can't get one. | :18:51. | :18:55. | |
No disrespect to the families who are | :18:56. | :19:03. | |
coming in from Europe, you're welcome but you have to step | :19:04. | :19:06. | |
let them step back and look after the kids In this country first. | :19:07. | :19:10. | |
One is, there have been a lot of jobs created recently and | :19:11. | :19:15. | |
about nine out of ten of those jobs have been | :19:16. | :19:18. | |
people living here, so | :19:19. | :19:19. | |
It actually feels quite at home, my favourite French cafe chain | :19:20. | :19:33. | |
there and a fabulous homeware store that I use there. | :19:34. | :19:39. | |
I just think I want to be able to vote in to power my MPs to make | :19:40. | :19:57. | |
the laws and if I don't like it I can vote | :19:58. | :19:59. | |
them out but those commissioners, you can't get rid of them. | :20:00. | :20:02. | |
Are you feeling you are not living in a | :20:03. | :20:04. | |
I don't have a problem with immigration, I just | :20:05. | :20:12. | |
It means that from 28 other countries... | :20:13. | :20:16. | |
And if it was not for the fact that we have | :20:17. | :20:21. | |
East European immigrants, pouring into this country, as you say, then | :20:22. | :20:23. | |
the construction industry would collapse. | :20:24. | :20:25. | |
About whether we should stay in or out. | :20:26. | :20:29. | |
If we leave, we end up with a recession. | :20:30. | :20:34. | |
That is what the governor of the Bank of England says. | :20:35. | :20:37. | |
I'll give you a quick example, right? | :20:38. | :20:56. | |
They are doing a big plant here - they are. | :20:57. | :21:05. | |
And by the end of this year, there will be 1600 | :21:06. | :21:09. | |
jobs in Wolverhampton and 30,000 jobs in the whole of the West | :21:10. | :21:12. | |
Never mind that, it's all about people who got no skills or | :21:13. | :21:20. | |
I've got no skills, no qualifications, no nothing. | :21:21. | :21:25. | |
If it was just about us, we would probably vote to stay, we're | :21:26. | :21:36. | |
thinking of our kids, we are struggling to get the deposit for a | :21:37. | :21:39. | |
house and we've got good jobs and I don't want that for my children. I | :21:40. | :21:44. | |
don't want them to be, they've got good jobs but Bristol can't afford a | :21:45. | :21:50. | |
house. Almost everyone we have spoken to who is that they will vote | :21:51. | :21:56. | |
Out has mentioned house prices, has that surprised you? Per house prices | :21:57. | :22:00. | |
hasn't surprised me, what surprises me is that there is a school of | :22:01. | :22:05. | |
thought that somehow if house prices crash that could somehow be good | :22:06. | :22:09. | |
news because their kids can get onto the housing ladder and they can sort | :22:10. | :22:11. | |
out later. One of the main reasons I am voting | :22:12. | :22:23. | |
to leave is because of the huge democratic deficit of the EU. It | :22:24. | :22:30. | |
behaves like a dictatorship. Hi fine, but these are problems that we | :22:31. | :22:35. | |
can talk about and resolve. There are plenty of flaws in the current | :22:36. | :22:41. | |
UK democratic system. We can apply the same argumentation, then we've | :22:42. | :22:45. | |
got to pack in our passports and it is the argument, making the argument | :22:46. | :22:51. | |
flawed because we have a non-elected House of Lords. | :22:52. | :22:58. | |
Argue for staying in all voting out? Out. Any reason why? Immigration. | :22:59. | :23:12. | |
Refugees is different but you've got people coming to this country who | :23:13. | :23:16. | |
are getting benefits and have never paid anything and they can't speak | :23:17. | :23:22. | |
English... I agree but if you come here and you have to work for four | :23:23. | :23:27. | |
years before you get any benefits, that's better. What have you learned | :23:28. | :23:35. | |
today? That immigration is a major issue, the sense of unfairness is | :23:36. | :23:38. | |
really worrying people. They probably will vote to stay in if it | :23:39. | :23:43. | |
means that we can be economically better off but they want to see the | :23:44. | :23:48. | |
benefits of the single market much more evenly distributed. What | :23:49. | :23:52. | |
shocked me was the passion from one side and the other was quite rare to | :23:53. | :23:58. | |
find. We managed to find you some people to talk to but the passion | :23:59. | :24:04. | |
was rare. Do you think we live in a democracy? Yes. She was sweet and | :24:05. | :24:11. | |
listened and was smiling but I don't think I was making any headway! | :24:12. | :24:19. | |
Nothing more is going to happen. OK! LAUGHTER | :24:20. | :24:23. | |
The Persuaders! Last night on Newsnight we revealed | :24:24. | :24:26. | |
doubts that the Eritrean man extradited from Sudan to Italy | :24:27. | :24:29. | |
to face human trafficking charges relating to thousands of migrants, | :24:30. | :24:31. | |
and possible homicide charges, is actually Mered Medhane, | :24:32. | :24:41. | |
the man the security A man with a similar name appears to | :24:42. | :24:43. | |
have been arrested in this place. The sister of the man being held | :24:44. | :24:52. | |
who lives in Norway has today insisted her brother is a victim | :24:53. | :24:55. | |
of mistaken identity and that he just happens | :24:56. | :24:57. | |
to have the same first name. Who really is this man? What we know | :24:58. | :25:05. | |
is that he has been extradited from Sudan to Italy, authorities from | :25:06. | :25:09. | |
their belief he is a people smuggling boss called Mered | :25:10. | :25:11. | |
Medhanie, others say they've got the wrong man and they have actually | :25:12. | :25:14. | |
picked up an innocent Eritrean refugee. Those making the case | :25:15. | :25:22. | |
include the sister of the man arrested, who says that she | :25:23. | :25:26. | |
recognises him as her brother whom she has been living with in | :25:27. | :25:31. | |
Khartoum. You couldn't be mistaken, it is definitely your brother? Yeah, | :25:32. | :25:37. | |
it's definitely my brother. I'm not mistaken because I have been looking | :25:38. | :25:41. | |
for him for two weeks, yesterday, all of a sudden, he came on the | :25:42. | :25:48. | |
Internet as a human trafficker. He is not human trafficker. I'm sure of | :25:49. | :25:54. | |
them, it's my brother. When was the first moment you realised that he | :25:55. | :25:59. | |
had been arrested? I saw it on Facebook. What was your reaction? I | :26:00. | :26:08. | |
was going crazy, I'm worried sick. Because the photo I saw yesterday, | :26:09. | :26:16. | |
it is disturbing, he looks awful! Her version of events does is | :26:17. | :26:20. | |
incredible. She says that her brother was arrested in Khartoum on | :26:21. | :26:27. | |
May 24, the same day that authorities say that they arrested a | :26:28. | :26:31. | |
man they believe is the notorious people smuggler -- smuggler, bed and | :26:32. | :26:36. | |
Madonna. She says she has not heard anything from her brothers on | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
Saturday. I have been searching for him two weeks. They told me there is | :26:41. | :26:52. | |
nobody of that name in prison. If they cautioned him he would say that | :26:53. | :26:55. | |
my sister Could police have mistaken the | :26:56. | :27:17. | |
refugee on the left on the right? We asked a world leading facial | :27:18. | :27:20. | |
recognition expert to compare these images with those of the man | :27:21. | :27:26. | |
arrested. In an ideal world it would have been nice to undertake a full | :27:27. | :27:30. | |
friends and review, make a proper comparison. I have been able to make | :27:31. | :27:34. | |
a preliminary review and look at these images in detail and I am of | :27:35. | :27:41. | |
the view that the person we believe to be the smuggler is not the person | :27:42. | :27:45. | |
we see in custody. Equally, the person we understand to be the | :27:46. | :27:50. | |
innocent party in this is most likely to be the person who is in | :27:51. | :27:57. | |
custody. The arrest was a joint operation between British, Italian | :27:58. | :28:03. | |
and Sudanese authorities. The sister of the arrested man wants answers | :28:04. | :28:04. | |
from the police. I want to say to the police | :28:05. | :28:05. | |
in England that they They should be investigating, | :28:06. | :28:08. | |
he's not a human trafficker, he's an innocent refugee | :28:09. | :28:11. | |
who arrived last year in Sudan. He doesn't do anything | :28:12. | :28:13. | |
about the smuggling or anything. The real smuggling kingpin is | :28:14. | :28:30. | |
accused of trafficking thousands of migrants across the Mediterranean to | :28:31. | :28:35. | |
Italy, hundreds are said to have died, this arrest was meant to be | :28:36. | :28:38. | |
one of the first big blows to the network behind the flow of people. | :28:39. | :28:43. | |
Authorities in Italy say they are now checking the identity of the man | :28:44. | :28:47. | |
they have. In Britain and the National Crime Agency says it is | :28:48. | :28:51. | |
still too early to comment on the claims but what was originally | :28:52. | :28:55. | |
touted as a major success is now looking increasingly dubious. | :28:56. | :28:59. | |
When two Ulster Volunteer Force gunmen burst into a packed bar | :29:00. | :29:02. | |
in Loughinisland in County Down as customers watched the Republic | :29:03. | :29:04. | |
of Ireland playing Italy in the World Cup in 1994, | :29:05. | :29:09. | |
they sprayed bullets indiscriminately, killing six men | :29:10. | :29:11. | |
Now 22 years later, after a long campaign for Justice | :29:12. | :29:21. | |
a second Ombudsman's report has concluded that there was significant | :29:22. | :29:23. | |
collusion by the security forces in the murders. | :29:24. | :29:25. | |
Among Dr Michael Maguire's damning findings was the revelation | :29:26. | :29:27. | |
that the murder squad that carried out the killings had been involved | :29:28. | :29:30. | |
in a number of other murders but had avoided arrest because the RUC's | :29:31. | :29:38. | |
Special Branch intelligence unit had withheld evidence from detectives | :29:39. | :29:40. | |
I'm joined now by the solicitor for the families, Niall Murphy. | :29:41. | :29:49. | |
What was the reaction of the families? We had a private briefing | :29:50. | :30:02. | |
yesterday with. The Maguire -- with doctor Maguire, the reaction was | :30:03. | :30:09. | |
that the families were euphoric, exoneration of a 22 year campaign, a | :30:10. | :30:15. | |
campaign conducted with dignity and perseverance, but the euphoria that | :30:16. | :30:19. | |
their suspicions had been confirmed by an official state, the office of | :30:20. | :30:26. | |
the police ombudsman, but it turns to one of outrage, their campaign | :30:27. | :30:31. | |
had been about truth recovery, but when they received the truth it was | :30:32. | :30:35. | |
a very difficult truth and a series of facts which were difficult to | :30:36. | :30:40. | |
come to terms with. Very damning finding regarding a number of | :30:41. | :30:46. | |
different counts for the police, and also the fact that Loyalist | :30:47. | :30:48. | |
paramilitaries were being employed as police informants. Who do you | :30:49. | :30:52. | |
think is responsible for the miscarriage of justice? Ultimate | :30:53. | :30:59. | |
responsibility must be in those in senior positions, this is the latest | :31:00. | :31:06. | |
report which joins a library of equally condemning reports from | :31:07. | :31:13. | |
Stevens, Savile, the silver and reports by the previous police | :31:14. | :31:19. | |
ombudsman, but this cannot gather dust on the shelf and there must be | :31:20. | :31:22. | |
accountability and that accountability must come from those | :31:23. | :31:30. | |
in senior positions who inserted the policy which allowed the grotesque | :31:31. | :31:32. | |
intelligence failings which manifested themselves in the | :31:33. | :31:39. | |
conclusion that collusion was a feature this atrocity. Do you think | :31:40. | :31:43. | |
the authorities know who committed these murders? I know for a fact | :31:44. | :31:47. | |
they know who committed these murders, it is laid out in the | :31:48. | :31:53. | |
report. The authorities knew who committed the murders within 24 | :31:54. | :31:57. | |
hours. Is there the possibility that the case could be reopened? There | :31:58. | :32:05. | |
are difficulties and we would hope not to raise false hopes. A | :32:06. | :32:11. | |
prosecution to the criminal standard must be built on evidence, but the | :32:12. | :32:15. | |
problem is that far from securing and preserving evidence, the RUC | :32:16. | :32:21. | |
destroyed evidence as they came across it, nine out of 16 suspects | :32:22. | :32:25. | |
did not have their fingerprints, DNA horror to Mac -- DNA or hair samples | :32:26. | :32:34. | |
taken. They have three a la lovers and three boiler suits and three | :32:35. | :32:39. | |
sets of clubs and all the weapons used and the getaway car, the | :32:40. | :32:46. | |
largest exhibit they could have, but they destroyed the car within ten | :32:47. | :32:50. | |
months. The problem is the police failed to gather the evidence and | :32:51. | :32:55. | |
when they did they destroyed it. I wonder when the common station was | :32:56. | :32:59. | |
with the ombudsman, whether he had a view in this and whether anybody | :33:00. | :33:03. | |
will ever be brought to justice? -- when the conversation. The ombudsman | :33:04. | :33:10. | |
said this was an investigation characterised by indifference and | :33:11. | :33:12. | |
incompetence and neglect. He stated that the approach to inform a | :33:13. | :33:18. | |
handling was one of see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil, and | :33:19. | :33:23. | |
this investigation did not have a chance because it did not want a | :33:24. | :33:27. | |
chance. The people that committed this atrocity had killed before and | :33:28. | :33:29. | |
they have the confidence that they were able to act with impunity to | :33:30. | :33:33. | |
commit this atrocity. These are facts which are laid out very | :33:34. | :33:38. | |
clearly, supported by original intelligence which has been viewed | :33:39. | :33:42. | |
by police ombudsman investigators and has informed these very strong | :33:43. | :33:45. | |
and robust conclusions which we see in the report. Thanks for joining | :33:46. | :33:47. | |
us. Pete Souza is not a household name | :33:48. | :33:52. | |
but you probably know his work. For the past eight years he's been | :33:53. | :33:55. | |
the chief official White House photographer recording | :33:56. | :34:01. | |
Barack Obama's presidency capturing not just | :34:02. | :34:02. | |
the man but also history. From intimate family moments | :34:03. | :34:06. | |
to drama in the situation room, and every single one of his images | :34:07. | :34:08. | |
is archived forever. We spoke to Pete Souza as both men's | :34:09. | :34:12. | |
tenure comes to an end. I started to photograph him in a way | :34:13. | :34:42. | |
that, if he ever became president, the pictures I was taking early | :34:43. | :34:48. | |
on would have some context. For instance, there's a picture | :34:49. | :34:56. | |
I made of him, we went to Russia, and there is a picture of him | :34:57. | :34:59. | |
when I was consciously He's walking around | :35:00. | :35:02. | |
Red Square, on a sidewalk, I was trying to show | :35:03. | :35:09. | |
that in the picture, that here is this US Senator walking | :35:10. | :35:16. | |
through Red Square and no one is paying | :35:17. | :35:19. | |
attention to him. I said to myself, if he ever became | :35:20. | :35:23. | |
president, this is a picture You can imagine, what it would be | :35:24. | :35:27. | |
like to have somebody pointing And certainly once | :35:28. | :35:37. | |
he became president I think it took him several months | :35:38. | :35:44. | |
to finally figure out that I was not going away, | :35:45. | :35:54. | |
and that this was going to be part of his life, there was going to be | :35:55. | :36:00. | |
this guy documenting his every move. The interesting thing about being | :36:01. | :36:03. | |
a White House photographer, Meaning, whether it is a serious | :36:04. | :36:07. | |
national security meeting, or a fun moment with a staff | :36:08. | :36:23. | |
person's child coming So in that context I observe him | :36:24. | :36:25. | |
in every aspect of his life When you add up his day, | :36:26. | :36:37. | |
and all the things I photograph, Someone in my office who kind | :36:38. | :36:48. | |
of monitors this said that I'd probably end up taking | :36:49. | :36:58. | |
at the end of eight years The ones that are the hardest | :36:59. | :37:01. | |
for me, I will say that when I'm photographing the president | :37:02. | :37:11. | |
consoling families, Especially after the shootings | :37:12. | :37:13. | |
where the emotions of I don't regret taking those | :37:14. | :37:28. | |
photographs but they I'm sure that I probably had tears | :37:29. | :37:34. | |
flowing down my cheek, just to think Time Magazine at the end | :37:35. | :37:46. | |
of his first term asked me to choose ten pictures | :37:47. | :38:01. | |
which represented my favourites that Because you need to show him | :38:02. | :38:04. | |
in all aspects of his life. I mean, sure, there are pictures | :38:05. | :38:21. | |
where he is interacting with little But I don't want people | :38:22. | :38:24. | |
to think that's all he does. What about anguishing | :38:25. | :38:35. | |
in the situation over Isis? So, for me, it is the body of work | :38:36. | :38:37. | |
which is important, and not saying, "This picture is the iconic picture | :38:38. | :38:49. | |
of the Obama administration". Tomorrow morning's front pages, | :38:50. | :39:04. | |
three headlines. Nice football fan zones are like ten open Bataclans, | :39:05. | :39:15. | |
that is a fear about terrorist attacks at Euro 2016. Finally, the | :39:16. | :39:21. | |
Financial Times, Bernie Sanders is close to backing Hillary Clinton. | :39:22. | :39:27. | |
Barack Obama went on television himself to endorse Hillary Clinton. | :39:28. | :39:52. | |
And finally tonight, Ed Sheeran is preparing | :39:53. | :39:54. | |
for a $20million legal action from two US songwriters. | :39:55. | :39:58. | |
They claim Sheeran's multi-million pound track 'photograph' copied | :39:59. | :40:00. | |
large sections of the song 'amazing' they wrote for X factor | :40:01. | :40:02. | |
# We made these memories for ourselves | :40:03. | :40:07. | |
# You came out of nowhere like lightening | :40:08. | :40:13. | |
# It's kind of amazing how you found me | :40:14. | :40:15. | |
It will be another marquee night, much cooler in the North East. Much | :40:16. | :40:32. | |
more cloud around, it | :40:33. | :40:33. |