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As Labour descends into full-scale civil war, one general insists he's | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
Do I read widely? Yes. | :00:00. | :00:15. | |
Do I think about things a great deal? | :00:16. | :00:17. | |
Do I enjoy it? Absolutely. | :00:18. | :00:19. | |
At the launch of his official campaign, Jeremy Corbyn sits | :00:20. | :00:25. | |
Tonight on Newsnight, I'm in Cleveland, Ohio with Ben Carson, | :00:26. | :00:31. | |
What does he make of Ted Cruz here in the hall last night? | :00:32. | :00:37. | |
And what does he think Donald Trump has to do to unify the party now? | :00:38. | :00:42. | |
Parliament is breaking up for the summer so, as always, | :00:43. | :00:46. | |
the Government has dumped hundreds of pages of documents on us. | :00:47. | :00:49. | |
Buried within them, a nasty shock for the NHS in England. | :00:50. | :01:03. | |
Ten months and nine days in post, and Jeremy Corbyn is facing | :01:04. | :01:06. | |
the first challenge to his leadership of the Labour Party. | :01:07. | :01:10. | |
Having endured an avalanche of high and low profile resignations | :01:11. | :01:13. | |
and a vote of no confidence by over 70% of his fellow MPs, | :01:14. | :01:17. | |
the signs are that Mr Corbyn continues to enjoy unprecedented | :01:18. | :01:20. | |
levels of support among the party membership. | :01:21. | :01:23. | |
Today, he set about the tricky business of trying to unite | :01:24. | :01:27. | |
the party and see off the threat of his challenger Owen Smith, | :01:28. | :01:31. | |
while also setting out his vision for a Corbyn premiership. | :01:32. | :01:34. | |
In a moment, Evan interviews the Labour leader. | :01:35. | :01:37. | |
But first, did today's launch herald the breaking of a brave | :01:38. | :01:40. | |
new dawn or was it all a bit business as usual? | :01:41. | :01:46. | |
The Britain that Jeremy Corbyn was born into was a very different | :01:47. | :01:49. | |
Against a backdrop of epic conflict, Corbyn describes the injustices | :01:50. | :02:00. | |
of a post-war society, namely the five giant evils | :02:01. | :02:02. | |
identified by William Beveridge, the godfather of the welfare state, | :02:03. | :02:05. | |
as want, squalor, idleness - yes, idleness - disease and ignorance. | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
By the time Corbyn had grown up, he says he was championing the cause | :02:10. | :02:16. | |
of wage inequality, today making special reference to the Ford sewing | :02:17. | :02:19. | |
machinists strikes in Dagenham in 1968 and 1984. | :02:20. | :02:24. | |
But today he says the injustices blighting the country are different | :02:25. | :02:27. | |
and he has distilled them down into five new evils. | :02:28. | :02:40. | |
One problem is that it's not entirely clear how Mr Corbyn plans | :02:41. | :02:43. | |
In his speech today, for example, he talks | :02:44. | :02:54. | |
In his speech today, for example, he talks of companies publishing | :02:55. | :02:56. | |
but, otherwise, there was little policy flesh on the principal bone. | :02:57. | :03:00. | |
He also had a message for MPs in his party about unity. | :03:01. | :03:05. | |
It's the job, it's the duty, is the responsibility of every | :03:06. | :03:08. | |
Labour MP to get behind the party at that point. | :03:09. | :03:12. | |
The problem is, it seems it is more do as I say, than do what I do. | :03:13. | :03:17. | |
Newsnight has delved into the archives and found this. | :03:18. | :03:20. | |
It's Corbyn, then not even an MP, reacting to Tony Benn's failed bid | :03:21. | :03:24. | |
to become deputy leader back in 1981. | :03:25. | :03:27. | |
Corbyn blamed some left-leaning Labour MPs who abstained | :03:28. | :03:29. | |
But above all I think we should also be considering the actions | :03:30. | :03:38. | |
and attitudes of a number of left Labour MPs in Parliament. | :03:39. | :03:50. | |
Because I believe, quite bluntly, that those MPs who sought to abstain | :03:51. | :03:55. | |
in the second ballot, in reality, voted for Healey. | :03:56. | :04:04. | |
And I think they must expect some discomfort from the rank-and-file | :04:05. | :04:08. | |
in their own constituencies in the coming months. | :04:09. | :04:15. | |
That was then, this is now. As he said today, times have changed. | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
Well, as luck would have it, Evan caught up with Mr Corbyn | :04:21. | :04:23. | |
after his campaign launch this morning | :04:24. | :04:26. | |
On the morning after the referendum, you went on TV and you basically | :04:27. | :04:32. | |
said we need to invoke Article 50 now. | :04:33. | :04:34. | |
I may not have put that as well as I should have done. | :04:35. | :04:42. | |
My view was, and is, is that at some point Article 50 | :04:43. | :04:45. | |
It had been a long night and you expressed it badly. | :04:46. | :04:55. | |
The view I was putting was that Article 50 will be | :04:56. | :04:58. | |
I did not mean it should be invoked on Friday morning and we should | :04:59. | :05:03. | |
rush over to Brussels and start negotiating. | :05:04. | :05:05. | |
Because, clearly, the negotiations are going to be very long | :05:06. | :05:07. | |
Because 40-odd years of EU membership means that almost every | :05:08. | :05:12. | |
piece of legislation brings in EU regulation, somewhere. | :05:13. | :05:16. | |
I think that's a very important clarification. | :05:17. | :05:19. | |
Another one that will be important is, are you open to the idea | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
of a second referendum, when we have got somewhere down the line, | :05:24. | :05:25. | |
had a chance to think about it more or are you basically a Brexit | :05:26. | :05:29. | |
I think we have to respect the result of the referendum. | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
Respect the result, which was, unfortunately, a vote to leave. | :05:35. | :05:40. | |
The bottom line has got to be access to European markets | :05:41. | :05:42. | |
for industries that are based in Britain, | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
clearly massive effect on, for example, Sunderland, on this. | :05:47. | :05:49. | |
It also has to be protection of the workers' rights that have | :05:50. | :05:53. | |
been improved through EU regulation, from, often, | :05:54. | :05:54. | |
Also, a very big raft of regulations on consumer protection | :05:55. | :06:04. | |
and environmental protection, all those issues. | :06:05. | :06:07. | |
You have given an interesting statement of your objectives, | :06:08. | :06:09. | |
But you missed one out, something like 80% of working class | :06:10. | :06:15. | |
people have a view on, which is immigration. | :06:16. | :06:20. | |
Many see this negotiation as a choice between more access | :06:21. | :06:22. | |
Now, where are you on the immigration debate? | :06:23. | :06:30. | |
I have made the point, all along, that the single market does include, | :06:31. | :06:33. | |
If you go away from that, you are not even a single market. | :06:34. | :06:40. | |
Do you want to be in the single market? | :06:41. | :06:42. | |
The point I was making throughout the referendum campaign is that | :06:43. | :06:48. | |
workers directive would prevent the undercutting in Britain, | :06:49. | :06:50. | |
would prevent that grotesque level of exploitation. | :06:51. | :06:53. | |
That, in turn, will have a reduction effect. | :06:54. | :06:56. | |
Basically, do you want to negotiate, if you were Prime Minister, | :06:57. | :06:59. | |
there was an election tomorrow, would you negotiate with the EU some | :07:00. | :07:02. | |
control on the uncontrolled free movement that exists at the moment? | :07:03. | :07:09. | |
I would want to see a movement of labour, which recognises | :07:10. | :07:14. | |
the need to have similarity of conditions across Europe. | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
If we say we will start restricting, it works both ways. | :07:19. | :07:21. | |
It will also restrict British people going to live and work in Europe. | :07:22. | :07:25. | |
I think that will be impossible within a single market. | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
But also, I urge people to think for a moment about... | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
I talked about the British workers in Europe that European | :07:35. | :07:36. | |
workers in Britain that run our health service. | :07:37. | :07:39. | |
I take it that you are someone who would say you want quite a bit | :07:40. | :07:50. | |
of access and there are other ways of dealing with it. | :07:51. | :07:53. | |
Let's look at the other ways of dealing with it. | :07:54. | :07:55. | |
Can we deal with some of the criticisms your colleagues | :07:56. | :08:01. | |
They say it is not policy, it is about, well, competence | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
Thangam Debbonaire, one of your MPs, now, she wrote an account of how, | :08:07. | :08:12. | |
in January, she was receiving cancer treatment, she was appointed | :08:13. | :08:18. | |
And then she said she was sacked the next day without being told. | :08:19. | :08:33. | |
So, having someone else tell her she was a Shadow Minister, | :08:34. | :08:35. | |
not in the Cabinet, she was working on it and then discovered | :08:36. | :08:38. | |
I just wonder whether that story, as she described it, | :08:39. | :08:41. | |
I was aware that she was receiving very serious cancer treatment. | :08:42. | :08:51. | |
I didn't want to disturb her treatment. | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
Unfortunately, my wish to appoint her as one of our arts | :08:57. | :08:59. | |
spokespersons was informed to her when it shouldn't have been. | :09:00. | :09:02. | |
I wanted to leave it until the treatment was over. | :09:03. | :09:04. | |
It was a question that she would start the job later on. | :09:05. | :09:13. | |
When she returned, after her treatment, I had a very long | :09:14. | :09:16. | |
conversation with her and of course I apologised to her for that. | :09:17. | :09:20. | |
Owen Smith, would you serve under Owen Smith? | :09:21. | :09:22. | |
Would you respect his leadership if he won? | :09:23. | :09:27. | |
Owen Smith has offered me a unopposed election to a job | :09:28. | :09:30. | |
Would you not be president if he won? | :09:31. | :09:40. | |
I'm not even sure we should have a president of the party. | :09:41. | :09:47. | |
It sounds to me bit like director of football. | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
It's a very strange thing to offer because he offered that after he had | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
decided to resign from the Shadow Cabinet early on, | :09:56. | :10:00. | |
having told me he was happy to serve in the Shadow Cabinet | :10:01. | :10:02. | |
He has every opportunity to do that, every right, if you want to. | :10:03. | :10:08. | |
The creation of a position of president of the party would | :10:09. | :10:11. | |
actually require a rule change, a constitutional change. | :10:12. | :10:12. | |
It's not in his gift to offer an unopposed election to anything. | :10:13. | :10:15. | |
Unless he has some control over the whole electorate that | :10:16. | :10:18. | |
I don't go around calling people Blairites, actually. | :10:19. | :10:30. | |
Tony Blair stopped being PM in 2007, it's quite a long time ago. | :10:31. | :10:37. | |
If you are a rebel in your party, here's a question... | :10:38. | :10:40. | |
People who are against your leadership. | :10:41. | :10:43. | |
If you are somebody who has a different view of what we need | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
to do to respond to the problems we are talking about, | :10:48. | :10:50. | |
Should you be listening to the members of your local party? | :10:51. | :10:53. | |
Or should you be thinking through these issues yourself | :10:54. | :10:55. | |
and making decisions based on your conscience? | :10:56. | :10:57. | |
I don't want to tell people how to vote. | :10:58. | :11:02. | |
It is legitimate for them to take a different view | :11:03. | :11:04. | |
and oppose you and say, this is a debate we are having | :11:05. | :11:07. | |
and we will use every constitutional means. | :11:08. | :11:09. | |
It is pretty obvious this is happening, that is why | :11:10. | :11:11. | |
I think some of you critics say they want to have that debate. | :11:12. | :11:20. | |
They want to talk about that that you are otherworldly. | :11:21. | :11:22. | |
In the last six weeks, the most important six weeks anyone | :11:23. | :11:25. | |
for us can remember in British political history in our lifetime, | :11:26. | :11:27. | |
you have been to two Cuba Solidarity meeting. | :11:28. | :11:29. | |
I was there for 20 minutes, and then I went back to my office | :11:30. | :11:33. | |
I thought it was only respectful because a lot of us had pushed | :11:34. | :11:37. | |
the British government to support their release and, | :11:38. | :11:39. | |
in turn, that actually helped to bring about the rapprochement | :11:40. | :11:41. | |
Well, I was thinking of the RMT Cuba Solidarity Garden Party, | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
actually, where you are pictured next to the Cuban ambassador. | :11:46. | :11:47. | |
Did you think to say to her, you must tell Castro, | :11:48. | :11:50. | |
the Castro brothers, that they have been in power for 57 | :11:51. | :11:53. | |
years now and they haven't thought it necessary to hold an election | :11:54. | :11:56. | |
to validate their power over the Cuban people? | :11:57. | :11:59. | |
I focused on lots of issues, particularly to do with human rights | :12:00. | :12:02. | |
in every country all over the world, and I continue to do so. | :12:03. | :12:05. | |
Every country in the world, and that obviously includes them. | :12:06. | :12:10. | |
The backbenchers that are against you think | :12:11. | :12:11. | |
there is this slightly otherworldliness. | :12:12. | :12:13. | |
That you have to choose between the people of Burnley, | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
who are not worried about Cubans, the situation with US policy | :12:19. | :12:20. | |
to Cuba, and the North London intellectuals who maybe do | :12:21. | :12:23. | |
I just wonder where you feel your heart lies? | :12:24. | :12:28. | |
There are people in Burnley concerned about human | :12:29. | :12:30. | |
rights around the world, just as there are in north London. | :12:31. | :12:33. | |
They might be different physical locations, but people often think | :12:34. | :12:39. | |
the same and do communicate with each other. | :12:40. | :12:40. | |
If you win, Tom Watson, the deputy leader, has said it | :12:41. | :12:43. | |
may be difficult to get a Shadow Cabinet together. | :12:44. | :12:53. | |
Can you just tell us how it is going to work when 80% | :12:54. | :12:57. | |
of your MPs don't have confidence in you, and you are there? | :12:58. | :13:00. | |
Listen, if we win this election, and I hope we do, it will be | :13:01. | :13:04. | |
an expression of a lot of people of the general economic direction | :13:05. | :13:07. | |
It is now the biggest membership it has ever been. | :13:08. | :13:11. | |
More people have registered to vote in this election than the entire | :13:12. | :13:15. | |
membership of the Tory party in 48 hours. | :13:16. | :13:17. | |
That says something about atmosphere in the whole country. | :13:18. | :13:21. | |
I will appoint a Shadow Cabinet which will be as broad as I can. | :13:22. | :13:24. | |
I will reach out to those people, as I have done before. | :13:25. | :13:29. | |
You will accept back the rebels if they want to come back in? | :13:30. | :13:32. | |
Well, listen, let's have charity towards people. | :13:33. | :13:34. | |
Do you ever not just feel like putting the duvet | :13:35. | :13:41. | |
You must have thought, should I resign? | :13:42. | :13:46. | |
You sounded like a psychiatrist | :13:47. | :13:48. | |
Do I think about things a great deal? | :13:49. | :13:58. | |
You could be the leader of the Labour Party who oversees | :13:59. | :14:06. | |
How about I could be the leader of the Labour Party that | :14:07. | :14:12. | |
turns us into a force to change economic justice, | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
opportunities and hope in our society? | :14:17. | :14:18. | |
Earlier this evening, some startling news from the authorities in France. | :14:19. | :14:28. | |
It turns out that the Nice truck attacker Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel | :14:29. | :14:31. | |
was not, as first thought, a lone wolf. | :14:32. | :14:34. | |
Instead, prosecutors said today, he's believed to have had support | :14:35. | :14:36. | |
from five accomplices, all of whom are now in custody. | :14:37. | :14:39. | |
One apparently returned to the scene the following day | :14:40. | :14:41. | |
And after the attack, we were told today, | :14:42. | :14:51. | |
was a year in the planning, a year in which it never came | :14:52. | :14:54. | |
to the attention of the French security services. | :14:55. | :14:56. | |
Peter Neumann, Director of the International Centre | :14:57. | :14:58. | |
for the Study of Radicalisation in London, joins me | :14:59. | :15:00. | |
It, it's beginning to look like an intelligence failure as well as a | :15:01. | :15:15. | |
terrorist atrocity. It is. It is very unusual that there can be a | :15:16. | :15:18. | |
group of five or six people planning something like this over a period of | :15:19. | :15:25. | |
a year without anybody noticing. Either they were extremely good at | :15:26. | :15:28. | |
hiding what they were doing or someone was not paying attention. If | :15:29. | :15:36. | |
none of them, as we were -- as we believe were on any watchlist or | :15:37. | :15:39. | |
flagged for any interest, in what circumstances could they have been | :15:40. | :15:45. | |
overheard or spotted? It is interesting that at the very | :15:46. | :15:47. | |
beginning, neighbours were saying they had never noticed anything. | :15:48. | :15:51. | |
That may have been true. But it is very unusual. I don't know of too | :15:52. | :15:57. | |
many cases where six people would have plotted without stepping up. | :15:58. | :16:01. | |
Without talking to anyone -- slipping up. Without having been | :16:02. | :16:06. | |
seen for a period of over a year. Typically these people come to the | :16:07. | :16:09. | |
attention of some people in the security services at some point. The | :16:10. | :16:14. | |
explanation I have is that the French authorities are so | :16:15. | :16:17. | |
overwhelmed right now by the number of cases is that quite a number of | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
them are slipping through this is, of course, extremely. Indeed. We | :16:22. | :16:30. | |
know the so-called Islamic State has described Bouhlel as one of their | :16:31. | :16:37. | |
soldiers. Their links going back to Syria and Iraq could Lee Selby | :16:38. | :16:41. | |
entirely self-contained? -- do you think their links go back. This is | :16:42. | :16:45. | |
the question. -- could the cell. Five or six people operating | :16:46. | :16:49. | |
together does not necessarily mean that they were part of the command | :16:50. | :16:53. | |
and control is drudge of the Islamic State. We know Islamic State is | :16:54. | :16:58. | |
Senden people into Europe that are Europeans and that are carrying out | :16:59. | :17:03. | |
attacks on orders of the Islamic State. At the same time it is trying | :17:04. | :17:08. | |
to inspire exactly those kinds of people acting on their own accord. | :17:09. | :17:12. | |
It will be very important to find out. The fact that there was no | :17:13. | :17:18. | |
video footage in the video that the Islamic State used to claim the | :17:19. | :17:20. | |
attack, the fact that it took them some time to actually make up their | :17:21. | :17:25. | |
minds seems to indicate that their may not have been a direct link. How | :17:26. | :17:29. | |
portable is the lone wolf the Cesc generally? Not in this case -- how | :17:30. | :17:36. | |
plausible is the lone wolf theory will stop there are lone wolves. The | :17:37. | :17:40. | |
most famous one is Anders Breivik, the Oslo attacker from 2011 who was | :17:41. | :17:45. | |
really on his own, he had no contact with others. He was hiding. Really, | :17:46. | :17:53. | |
no one noticed anything. But in many cases, people often assume there are | :17:54. | :17:58. | |
lone wall is because there is no complete information. More | :17:59. | :18:02. | |
information comes out. -- lone wolves. The more information comes | :18:03. | :18:06. | |
out and it becomes obvious there were links sometimes into, and | :18:07. | :18:13. | |
control structure. Often we say lone wolf and as more information emerges | :18:14. | :18:16. | |
it becomes clear that was not the case. Briefly, we have even less | :18:17. | :18:21. | |
information about the attempted abduction near the RAF base in | :18:22. | :18:27. | |
Marham, Norfolk, yesterday. This is clearly a major cause for concern, | :18:28. | :18:31. | |
how plausible doesn't seem to you, as Norfolk police suggest, it is | :18:32. | :18:36. | |
unable to discuss terrorism? It is not impossible to discount it. Of | :18:37. | :18:39. | |
course, security authorities across Europe been warning as with school | :18:40. | :18:44. | |
shootings, with lone wolf attacks there is a ripple contagion effect. | :18:45. | :18:51. | |
People see things like Nice or Orlando shootings or what happened | :18:52. | :18:55. | |
in Germany on TV and feel inspired to do the same thing. In fact, that | :18:56. | :18:59. | |
is exactly what Islamic State once. It is impossible to discount it | :19:00. | :19:02. | |
because this may exactly be what happens. Peter, thank you. | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
Plagiarised spousal speeches, endorsements that didn't actually | :19:08. | :19:09. | |
endorse and a Republican Party Convention that's currently breaking | :19:10. | :19:11. | |
just about every political convention in the book. | :19:12. | :19:15. | |
There is, it's fair to say, little sign that Donald Trump | :19:16. | :19:18. | |
will be letting down the headline writers any time soon. | :19:19. | :19:21. | |
Emily Maitlis is at the Convention in Cleveland, where Trump is due | :19:22. | :19:24. | |
to make his acceptance speech later tonight. | :19:25. | :19:32. | |
Thanks. The last day of convention is traditionally the long-awaited | :19:33. | :19:39. | |
finale, the climax where you get to see the bride, except this bride has | :19:40. | :19:43. | |
been in his wedding dress pretty much all week. We have heard from | :19:44. | :19:46. | |
Donald Trump every single day so far. Last night there were | :19:47. | :19:50. | |
spectacular scenes on the floor behind me. Boos From the delegates | :19:51. | :19:56. | |
when Ted Cruz, his rival, failed to endorse Donald Trump as his | :19:57. | :20:00. | |
president. What was that about? It is hard to escape a sense of perhaps | :20:01. | :20:04. | |
puppetry. That this whole thing might be a bit stage-managed by the | :20:05. | :20:10. | |
Trump campaign. We will be talking to Ben Carson, a former presidential | :20:11. | :20:14. | |
candidate, about that in a second. First, to the drama of the night and | :20:15. | :20:18. | |
why it matters to Trump and his electoral chances. | :20:19. | :20:21. | |
Please welcome United States Senator Ted Cruz of Texas. | :20:22. | :20:24. | |
An electric atmosphere from an auditorium bursting at the seams. | :20:25. | :20:29. | |
They're waiting to see if the Texas senator, long-time rival | :20:30. | :20:31. | |
of Donald Trump, chooses this critical moment to endorse him. | :20:32. | :20:38. | |
As he nears the end, the hall suddenly realises | :20:39. | :20:44. | |
God bless each and every one of you and God bless | :20:45. | :20:49. | |
He should have endorsed Donald Trump! | :20:50. | :21:01. | |
This is all about endorsing the President and electing Donald Trump. | :21:02. | :21:05. | |
He made it very clear that he is not interested in Donald Trump winning. | :21:06. | :21:09. | |
He wants Hillary to win, so that he can run in 2020. | :21:10. | :21:12. | |
What we just saw on the convention floor was ridiculous. | :21:13. | :21:15. | |
Absolutely ridiculous, and I cannot endorse it. | :21:16. | :21:18. | |
We just booed somebody who cordially spoke. | :21:19. | :21:22. | |
And where was Donald Trump whilst all this was going on? | :21:23. | :21:24. | |
Well, he chose that moment to enter the hall. | :21:25. | :21:29. | |
Ted Cruz's failure to endorse Donald Trump a few moments ago led | :21:30. | :21:32. | |
to boos from the hall and, indeed, accusations of betrayal. | :21:33. | :21:35. | |
But it's also spawned a certain level of conspiracy theory. | :21:36. | :21:39. | |
How did Ted Cruz get that speech through Donald Trump's | :21:40. | :21:41. | |
campaign when it appeared on the teleprompter? | :21:42. | :21:44. | |
Could it be that Trump knew exactly what Ted Cruz was going to say, | :21:45. | :21:48. | |
or what he was not going to say, and allowed it to create even more | :21:49. | :21:52. | |
And today, Trump's team confirmed they were given the | :21:53. | :21:56. | |
If the party seemed fractured before convention, imagine how | :21:57. | :22:02. | |
Virtually the only thing they can still agree on is how | :22:03. | :22:07. | |
much they hate Hillary, as celebrated here in convention | :22:08. | :22:10. | |
To understand why the endorsement - what they are calling | :22:11. | :22:15. | |
the Lone Star Snub - matters, you have to leave | :22:16. | :22:17. | |
urban Cleveland and head south, to farmland. | :22:18. | :22:22. | |
This is Cruz country, the traditional religious | :22:23. | :22:25. | |
Republican heartland - no fans of Trump. | :22:26. | :22:29. | |
It's not as if Ohio's cowboys aren't used to irascible | :22:30. | :22:32. | |
and unpredictable beasts, like the bulls they try and ride | :22:33. | :22:35. | |
They concede Trump stands for big bucks. | :22:36. | :22:42. | |
It's just not the big bucks they're used to. | :22:43. | :22:45. | |
For most of these guys, there is an internal thing that's | :22:46. | :22:48. | |
They're strong, they're tough, they're hero, they work hard | :22:49. | :22:53. | |
and they hold to their values and their families. | :22:54. | :22:57. | |
Things that matter to them, that society is losing track of. | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
This is conservative America, not natural Trump territory. | :23:03. | :23:05. | |
He is, of course, a metrosexual New Yorker. | :23:06. | :23:08. | |
It's a little bit of, like, picking the lesser of two | :23:09. | :23:20. | |
And so who do we feel like will allow us to hang | :23:21. | :23:24. | |
onto these livelihoods, and the freedoms that we've had, | :23:25. | :23:26. | |
whether it's being able to pray at a rodeo, pray in school, | :23:27. | :23:29. | |
The Thorsall family run this event from their ranch. | :23:30. | :23:34. | |
Our hearts, really, are God, family, country. | :23:35. | :23:36. | |
And does Donald Trump say to you God, family, country? | :23:37. | :23:43. | |
He said, let's make America great again. | :23:44. | :23:49. | |
Not to pick a fight or anything but when you look at Donald Trump, | :23:50. | :23:52. | |
he doesn't strike you as particularly religious. | :23:53. | :23:56. | |
Does he fit into your image of what the priorities | :23:57. | :24:00. | |
But you have to look at, overall, what does that person | :24:01. | :24:08. | |
He might not be the perfect what you think a President ought to be. | :24:09. | :24:18. | |
But, for us, he stands for more of our values than any of the | :24:19. | :24:21. | |
Trump has harnessed white working class support | :24:22. | :24:29. | |
But if traditional, rural Republicans choose to stay home, | :24:30. | :24:33. | |
He is hoping his VP choice, evangelical Christian Mike Pence, | :24:34. | :24:40. | |
who talks the language of God, country and party, is the man | :24:41. | :24:43. | |
He spoke at length last night, but after what they're calling | :24:44. | :24:53. | |
Boos Cruz, no one can quite remember a word he said. | :24:54. | :25:06. | |
Ted Cruz explained his actions, saying he did not want to be a | :25:07. | :25:11. | |
servile poppy after insulting his wife and father. Many people | :25:12. | :25:15. | |
sympathise will stop sticking to their guns. But there are many who | :25:16. | :25:19. | |
don't. Ben Carson was one of those presidential candidates and I spoke | :25:20. | :25:21. | |
to him just before we came on air. Ben Carson, sir, was Ted Cruz | :25:22. | :25:25. | |
right not to endorse I think it was a splendid | :25:26. | :25:27. | |
opportunity for him to demonstrate leadership, bring unity | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
and set himself up, He said he didn't want to be | :25:33. | :25:33. | |
the puppy dog that came running after Donald Trump, | :25:34. | :25:38. | |
who'd abused and name I understand from a perspective | :25:39. | :25:40. | |
of somebody who is more concerned about their own feelings | :25:41. | :25:48. | |
than they are about the big picture. But this election is more | :25:49. | :25:51. | |
about much more than someone's There are many others, you know, | :25:52. | :25:53. | |
in the Trump movement Many of the traditional members | :25:54. | :25:57. | |
of the Republican Party. They need to understand | :25:58. | :26:04. | |
that we are talking about whether this is going to become | :26:05. | :26:06. | |
a country that is up for and by the government versus up | :26:07. | :26:09. | |
for and by the people. Were you one of those | :26:10. | :26:13. | |
with bruised feelings? Were you approached | :26:14. | :26:15. | |
by Mr Trump to be his VP? I was not bruised in any way, | :26:16. | :26:18. | |
shape or form. The only reason that I ever got | :26:19. | :26:23. | |
into the political arena at all, I had no intention of all, | :26:24. | :26:26. | |
was because there were so many Clearly, Donald Trump had seen | :26:27. | :26:29. | |
the speech from Ted Cruz three days previously and allowed it to go | :26:30. | :26:36. | |
ahead, do you think it was all part If it was, it was a brilliant move, | :26:37. | :26:39. | |
because it certainly had the desired effect of separating Ted Cruz | :26:40. | :26:44. | |
from Ted Cruz supporters. What do you think Donald Trump | :26:45. | :26:51. | |
should say to the party? I would like him, first of all, | :26:52. | :26:54. | |
to help people understand that we're not talking about four | :26:55. | :27:01. | |
years or eight years. In terms of the influence | :27:02. | :27:07. | |
of the next president. We are talking about generations, | :27:08. | :27:10. | |
because of the two-four Supreme Court picks and multiple | :27:11. | :27:13. | |
federal appointments, as well. People have to look | :27:14. | :27:15. | |
beyond their bruised feelings. Also, I hope he will get people | :27:16. | :27:19. | |
to understand that there are no two Yeah, but there is no two people | :27:20. | :27:27. | |
in the Republican Party The party has never | :27:28. | :27:31. | |
been this divided. But what they need to learn how | :27:32. | :27:34. | |
to do is put those things That is one of the things I have | :27:35. | :27:39. | |
to admire the Democrats about. They have a lot of | :27:40. | :27:44. | |
disagreements, too. But they understand if they don't | :27:45. | :27:45. | |
work together as a block, They also tell the Republicans, | :27:46. | :27:48. | |
"You guys are admirable, because you are people of principle | :27:49. | :27:56. | |
and you won't vote for somebody unless you completely | :27:57. | :27:59. | |
agree with them". And then they go home | :28:00. | :28:03. | |
and laugh because they say, Was it Mr Trump's problem? | :28:04. | :28:06. | |
Mr Cruz's problem? The party has been this way | :28:07. | :28:11. | |
because we have an outsider, somebody who cannot | :28:12. | :28:19. | |
be bought and sold. Somebody who cannot be controlled | :28:20. | :28:22. | |
by the traditional There's going to be an adjustment | :28:23. | :28:24. | |
period to it, but I think once that adjustment has occurred, | :28:25. | :28:31. | |
it will be like a reset. Because this country was really | :28:32. | :28:38. | |
about the will of the people. It wasn't about the will | :28:39. | :28:41. | |
of a political class. As you know, there are people around | :28:42. | :28:43. | |
the world who say there is no more terrifying prospect | :28:44. | :28:46. | |
than a Trump presidency Simply because they've been | :28:47. | :28:48. | |
listening to the propaganda. Ben Carson, describing to me the | :28:49. | :29:09. | |
sense of what an outsider does to the race, and if it needs a bit of | :29:10. | :29:15. | |
bedding in time. Molly is from The Atlantic. Thanks for joining us. You | :29:16. | :29:19. | |
have had an advance sight of the speech, you can't say too much, but | :29:20. | :29:24. | |
you can give us a flavour? The themes we would expect Donald Trump | :29:25. | :29:28. | |
to hit are in there. He is trying to present a unifying general election | :29:29. | :29:31. | |
message and hitting the themes that have defined him from the beginning, | :29:32. | :29:36. | |
chaos, disorder, crime, safety, whether the threats are internal, | :29:37. | :29:41. | |
from chaos in America's inner cities, to external threats, | :29:42. | :29:44. | |
particularly immigration but also foreign threats, the threat of Isis. | :29:45. | :29:50. | |
It's very much about making America safe and also trying to bring | :29:51. | :29:53. | |
America together, accusing the President and Hillary Clinton of | :29:54. | :29:56. | |
dividing Americans against each other and positioning himself as the | :29:57. | :30:01. | |
one that can reconcile. Hillary has been so present in this convention, | :30:02. | :30:04. | |
I don't think I've been anywhere where somebody that was painted as | :30:05. | :30:09. | |
the external enemy was actually in every single speech, 20 or 30 times? | :30:10. | :30:17. | |
Shear the only thing that they agree on. As we have seen in the primary | :30:18. | :30:26. | |
sessions, even in the convention, even with Ted Cruz, the spectre of | :30:27. | :30:30. | |
disunity. It is understandable when they agree on so little, that | :30:31. | :30:36. | |
Republican speakers would seek to rally the faithful by what they are | :30:37. | :30:41. | |
against. The Ted Cruz situation, is it damaging to Donald Trump? I think | :30:42. | :30:46. | |
it is. I think Ted Cruz reminded a lot of conservatives and Republicans | :30:47. | :30:52. | |
why they have doubts about Trump. It was poorly received in the hall, it | :30:53. | :30:56. | |
may not have been good for Ted Cruz, a lot of people saw it as part of | :30:57. | :31:00. | |
his very politically calculating persona. It would be better for | :31:01. | :31:04. | |
Trump to seemed to be the consensus choice of the entire party. There is | :31:05. | :31:10. | |
no way he can claim to be that after the speech that Ted Cruz gave. What | :31:11. | :31:14. | |
is your sense of how the convention has gone, how well it has served | :31:15. | :31:19. | |
Trump and his campaign? It has been an astonishingly bad convention for | :31:20. | :31:23. | |
Donald Trump. Normally they are a free infomercial to the American | :31:24. | :31:27. | |
people, you get all this prime-time television real estate to make the | :31:28. | :31:30. | |
positive case for your party your candidacy. Instead of that being the | :31:31. | :31:35. | |
message, there has been one mess up after another from convention | :31:36. | :31:41. | |
logistics, the potential First Lady speech, Ted Cruz's speech last night | :31:42. | :31:45. | |
and many other small, small things, where the message that the campaign | :31:46. | :31:50. | |
would like to be putting forward to the American people has really got | :31:51. | :31:55. | |
and stepped on. If people wanted to be reassured about to Donald Trump, | :31:56. | :31:59. | |
that he was a normal, credible candidate, a unifying candidate, | :32:00. | :32:04. | |
that is not what they saw in these last few days. That is the essence | :32:05. | :32:08. | |
of Trump, anyone else, you would expect to unify and bring the party | :32:09. | :32:13. | |
together, try to leave this on a positive note. Donald Trump has done | :32:14. | :32:16. | |
everything differently over the last 18 months. He has shown you can | :32:17. | :32:20. | |
break all the rules and still win. Can he go into this presidential | :32:21. | :32:25. | |
campaign with a divided party and still win? It's not impossible. | :32:26. | :32:28. | |
A Russian spy dressed as a sewerage worker, | :32:29. | :32:31. | |
infiltrating supposedly secure scientific laboratories | :32:32. | :32:32. | |
A fake mouse hole drilled through a wall to facilitate | :32:33. | :32:40. | |
the swapping of said samples with untainted, um, liquids. | :32:41. | :32:45. | |
Just two of the revelations thrown up by the World Anti-Doping Agency's | :32:46. | :32:48. | |
recent report into a massive state-sponsored doping programme. | :32:49. | :32:53. | |
Earlier this evening I spoke to Sir Craig Reedie, | :32:54. | :32:56. | |
chief executive of the agency - known as Wada - about how it | :32:57. | :32:59. | |
But I began by asking him about today's Court of Arbitration | :33:00. | :33:04. | |
for Sport decision to uphold the ban on Russian track and field athletes | :33:05. | :33:07. | |
from next month's Olympics in Rio and whether it was now likely | :33:08. | :33:10. | |
that there would be no Russian involvement whatsoever in the Games. | :33:11. | :33:18. | |
I'm afraid that's the one question I can't give | :33:19. | :33:21. | |
Because the International Olympic Committee is the major event | :33:22. | :33:27. | |
organiser, which under the world anti-doping code, has | :33:28. | :33:30. | |
the responsibility to take these decisions. | :33:31. | :33:33. | |
My information is that we will be discussing that, if not deciding | :33:34. | :33:36. | |
How, in particular, if an organisation like the world | :33:37. | :33:45. | |
anti-doping agency even exists can you have such an astonishing scale | :33:46. | :33:48. | |
If you go back to the first really public allegations, | :33:49. | :34:00. | |
which came from the German television programme in December | :34:01. | :34:04. | |
2014, that exposed a really surprising degree of breaches | :34:05. | :34:08. | |
of regulation in Russia and specifically track | :34:09. | :34:10. | |
What has shocked most people and certainly surprised us | :34:11. | :34:22. | |
is that the investigation conducted by Richard McLaren indicates | :34:23. | :34:28. | |
an alliance between the Ministry of sport in the country and Moscow | :34:29. | :34:33. | |
laboratory to an extent that there is complete | :34:34. | :34:37. | |
It certainly shocked us and I don't think there's much doubt that it | :34:38. | :34:44. | |
I understand why everybody else would be shocked, | :34:45. | :34:57. | |
I'm still a little unclear on how the World Anti-doping | :34:58. | :34:59. | |
Agency could have been taken by such surprise. | :35:00. | :35:01. | |
There was a very complex and very well organised organisation, | :35:02. | :35:04. | |
to deal with Russian athletes, in particular. | :35:05. | :35:08. | |
So that clean urine could be substituted for dirty urine. | :35:09. | :35:12. | |
This could be done in the middle of the night, at the laboratory. | :35:13. | :35:15. | |
To the best of my knowledge, we've had no experience of this | :35:16. | :35:18. | |
happening at an accredited laboratory before. | :35:19. | :35:21. | |
Of course, except people might worry that to the best of your experience, | :35:22. | :35:28. | |
it could have been going on for ages all over the place. | :35:29. | :35:31. | |
It's only now that you've spotted this one. | :35:32. | :35:33. | |
I concede that is a possibility but we have no evidence of that | :35:34. | :35:38. | |
The other significant issue here which has worried | :35:39. | :35:47. | |
us substantially since the allegations appeared | :35:48. | :35:50. | |
was the ability to open the otherwise secure bottles | :35:51. | :35:52. | |
That is a very sophisticated operation, clearly organised | :35:53. | :36:00. | |
and conducted, we are told, by the FSB, the Russian | :36:01. | :36:02. | |
We have no information that any country in the world has had | :36:03. | :36:10. | |
Final question, Russia is supposed to be hosting the World Cup | :36:11. | :36:17. | |
I appreciate it is not your immediate field of expertise | :36:18. | :36:24. | |
but just as a personal overview, is that acceptable? | :36:25. | :36:27. | |
We are talking about state-sponsored doping. | :36:28. | :36:37. | |
The state that sponsored doping is supposed to host the World Cup. | :36:38. | :36:41. | |
You run the world anti-doping agency, I want to know | :36:42. | :36:43. | |
whether you think that state is a fit and proper place | :36:44. | :36:46. | |
If the World Cup was starting tomorrow, I think there would be | :36:47. | :36:51. | |
The state having been absolutely involved in what has been happening | :36:52. | :37:01. | |
over the last four years must be well aware of the difficulties | :37:02. | :37:04. | |
I think Fifa would want to know and would want to see | :37:05. | :37:08. | |
Work has been done but it is slower than it need be. | :37:09. | :37:17. | |
I hope it accelerates and Russia can reform. | :37:18. | :37:20. | |
Sir Craig Reedie, many thanks. | :37:21. | :37:21. | |
Parliament broke up for the Summer today, but not before | :37:22. | :37:28. | |
the Government had availed itself of the opportunity to slip out some | :37:29. | :37:31. | |
news that they might have been hoping would go unnoticed. | :37:32. | :37:34. | |
Well, they didn't reckon upon our policy editor Chris Cook's | :37:35. | :37:41. | |
The single biggest thing that has come out, so big that you could see | :37:42. | :37:51. | |
it from space, enormous problems in the NHS. We have news of NHS | :37:52. | :37:55. | |
accounts which showed huge holes. The National office of bean counters | :37:56. | :38:00. | |
have said they are very worried about future finances. We have this | :38:01. | :38:04. | |
extraordinary document called Strengthening Performance And | :38:05. | :38:10. | |
Accountability In 2016. It is astounding. The first thing is that | :38:11. | :38:16. | |
this document proposes a degree of command and control from the centre | :38:17. | :38:20. | |
of NHS hospitals other like we have not seen for a very long time. | :38:21. | :38:23. | |
Things like the amount that hospitals are on staff, they propose | :38:24. | :38:28. | |
to control. Hospitals that do not do as they say, they will take cash of | :38:29. | :38:33. | |
them. The second thing is that coming health service terms, there | :38:34. | :38:38. | |
is a holy Trinity. You can change the finances of the NHS, you can | :38:39. | :38:42. | |
change the College of services, you can change how long people have to | :38:43. | :38:45. | |
wait to get services. If you move any one of those things, something | :38:46. | :38:49. | |
else has to move, you have to put more money in, make people wait | :38:50. | :38:53. | |
longer or whatever else. They are absolutely prioritising getting | :38:54. | :38:55. | |
finances back in order. They don't really mind about waiting lists. | :38:56. | :39:03. | |
Quality ranks number two. The final extraordinary thing about the | :39:04. | :39:06. | |
document, it is amazingly optimistic. Hospitals that are | :39:07. | :39:09. | |
really struggling on finances, where all of the indicators are going in | :39:10. | :39:13. | |
the wrong direction, they are going to turn around in the next few | :39:14. | :39:16. | |
months. I would bet, based on this, we will see a reasonable sized | :39:17. | :39:19. | |
bailout for the NHS in the Autumn Statement. I don't see how they can | :39:20. | :39:24. | |
make it work otherwise. Many thanks indeed. | :39:25. | :39:26. | |
The British people have spoken and the answer is - we're out. | :39:27. | :39:32. | |
I love this country and I feel honoured to have served it. | :39:33. | :39:39. | |
A political landscape, changed forever. | :39:40. | :39:43. | |
I know that virtually none of you have ever done | :39:44. | :39:46. | |
The Scottish Parliament should have the right | :39:47. | :39:57. | |
Exactly one month after the UK's momentous vote... | :39:58. | :40:04. | |
Brexit means Brexit and we are going to make a success of it. | :40:05. | :40:10. | |
Newsnight hosts a special day of discussion and debate | :40:11. | :40:12. | |
on Brexit Britain, a divided nation and its relationship | :40:13. | :40:14. | |
Tickets for this event, run in partnership with | :40:15. | :40:21. | |
Intelligence Squared, are available via | :40:22. | :40:22. | |
And we'll be live on BBC Two at 6pm on Saturday. | :40:23. | :40:32. | |
Now, Michele Obama is a woman of many talents. | :40:33. | :40:35. | |
Yet another of those talents was on display yesterday, | :40:36. | :40:38. | |
as she joined British comedian James Corden in his late night | :40:39. | :40:41. | |
Carpool Karaoke skit on American television. | :40:42. | :40:45. | |
We leave you tonight with this sumptuous rendition | :40:46. | :40:48. | |
of Stevie Wonder's Signed, Sealed, Delivered. | :40:49. | :40:53. | |
And Philip May, if you're watching this, our driver | :40:54. | :40:55. | |
Did you know that Stevie Wonder is my favourite? | :40:56. | :41:01. | |
# Like a fool I went and stayed too long | :41:02. | :41:08. | |
# Now I'm wondering if your love's still strong | :41:09. | :41:11. | |
# Signed, sealed delivered, I'm yours | :41:12. | :41:21. | |
# Then that time I went and said goodbye | :41:22. | :41:25. | |
# Now I'm back and not ashamed to cry | :41:26. | :41:29. | |
# Signed, sealed delivered, I'm yours | :41:30. | :41:36. | |
# Oh, signed, sealed delivered, I'm yours...# | :41:37. | :41:58. | |
It has freshened up in the last day or so, particularly across | :41:59. | :42:01. | |
south-eastern | :42:02. | :42:03. |