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A shopping centre in Munich is targeted by up to three attackers | :00:00. | :00:10. | |
leaving at least eight dead and many more injured. | :00:11. | :00:15. | |
TRANSLATION: There are many badly injured, our crisis team is | :00:16. | :00:17. | |
taking care of about 100 people and all the police forces | :00:18. | :00:20. | |
Police are still hunting the attackers as hundreds of people | :00:21. | :00:27. | |
are stranded by a public transport shutdown in the city. | :00:28. | :00:32. | |
It's still a developing situation, but the German police say they're | :00:33. | :00:35. | |
And we're at the Republican National Convention, | :00:36. | :00:41. | |
gauging the reaction to Trump's vision for his presidency | :00:42. | :00:44. | |
and his plan to take the fight to Hillary. | :00:45. | :00:49. | |
The most important difference between our plan and that of our | :00:50. | :00:55. | |
opponent is that our plan will put America first. CHEERING | :00:56. | :01:08. | |
Abject and bloody terror has been visited upon another European city | :01:09. | :01:12. | |
tonight and its perpetrators are still at large in Munich. | :01:13. | :01:18. | |
Local police report that eight people were killed | :01:19. | :01:20. | |
and many more severely injured after up to three gunmen | :01:21. | :01:23. | |
opened fire at a shopping centre in the German city's Moosach | :01:24. | :01:27. | |
district just over six and a half hours ago. | :01:28. | :01:29. | |
Public transport has been suspended, citizens have been advised to stay | :01:30. | :01:32. | |
indoors and the authorities have described an acute | :01:33. | :01:34. | |
A gunman opens fire on a Munich street just before 4pm this | :01:35. | :01:51. | |
afternoon. GUNFIRE People around the area fleet, as | :01:52. | :02:00. | |
there's more shop inside the Olympia shopping centre just across the | :02:01. | :02:04. | |
road. -- more shots. It is in the north-west of Munich. Eyewitnesses | :02:05. | :02:07. | |
in the shopping centre described the scene. TRANSLATION: My wife and | :02:08. | :02:15. | |
daughter are missing. I was inside the shopping centre that my wife | :02:16. | :02:18. | |
wasn't with me. I still have stuff to do and she wanted to go to | :02:19. | :02:22. | |
another shop. I said, go ahead, with my daughter, and I will, to you | :02:23. | :02:27. | |
afterwards. I saw people running out with them and I asked what is going | :02:28. | :02:31. | |
on, no one had a clue. Only one man said there is a man with a gun he | :02:32. | :02:37. | |
was shooting other people. The situation is still very unclear and | :02:38. | :02:41. | |
developing but police say there are at least eight casualties with up to | :02:42. | :02:44. | |
three gunmen involved and still on the run. | :02:45. | :02:50. | |
TRANSLATION: There are many badly injured, our crisis team is taking | :02:51. | :02:56. | |
care of about 100 people and all the police forces are busy with the | :02:57. | :02:57. | |
manhunt. It's the panic there were reports of | :02:58. | :03:04. | |
shootings elsewhere in this city although they now appear not to be | :03:05. | :03:08. | |
correct. Police have told people to stay indoors. Metro and bus services | :03:09. | :03:14. | |
have been stopped and the area around the shopping more has been | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
blocked off by police. Other videos of the attack at or attackers have | :03:20. | :03:22. | |
also appeared. Here, one walks around a car park roof with a | :03:23. | :03:27. | |
handgun. In an extraordinary exchange with an onlooker, he | :03:28. | :03:31. | |
apparently insults Turks and says, "I am German". Could this be a clue | :03:32. | :03:38. | |
to his motives? An attack by far right extremists on the fifth | :03:39. | :03:42. | |
anniversary of the attack by Anders Breivik in Norway. Police have said | :03:43. | :03:47. | |
they are treating it as suspected terrorism, but we don't know any | :03:48. | :03:51. | |
more. The idea of taking a gun and shooting in a public location is | :03:52. | :03:54. | |
something we have seen repeatedly being used by groups with also sub | :03:55. | :03:58. | |
ideology is. We recently saw a spree shooting in a nightclub. Anders | :03:59. | :04:04. | |
Breivik used guns to kill lots of people. It is something we have seen | :04:05. | :04:10. | |
different ideologies using. It is a basic fundamental ideology, get a | :04:11. | :04:14. | |
gun and shoots lots of people. If you have a gun you can kill quite a | :04:15. | :04:18. | |
few people and have a high impact. Earlier this week Germany | :04:19. | :04:22. | |
experienced its first Isis related attack when a teenage refugee armed | :04:23. | :04:27. | |
with an axe targeted passengers on a train. Another possibility is that | :04:28. | :04:32. | |
today buzz events are the latest in a series of jihadi attacks in Europe | :04:33. | :04:36. | |
-- today's events. Whatever the motive, if it is at all political | :04:37. | :04:40. | |
comment could have a far-reaching impact in Germany. Tonight, though, | :04:41. | :04:44. | |
the search for those responsible still continues. | :04:45. | :04:47. | |
Well Andrew Plant can now join us from Munich. | :04:48. | :04:51. | |
Good evening. What is the very latest situation? | :04:52. | :04:58. | |
A lot of confusion here when we landed | :04:59. | :05:00. | |
because, obviously, most people are coming here just to try to get | :05:01. | :05:03. | |
back to their homes, but told they can't | :05:04. | :05:05. | |
get their normal buses and taxis into the city | :05:06. | :05:07. | |
centre, because so many roads are closed. | :05:08. | :05:09. | |
It shows you the lockdown Munich city centre is in right now. | :05:10. | :05:16. | |
The latest, as we understand it, here on the manhunt is this: | :05:17. | :05:19. | |
Eyewitnesses are saying there were three men with guns. | :05:20. | :05:21. | |
There are reports that one of those men has died. | :05:22. | :05:24. | |
Police haven't confirmed that, but they have | :05:25. | :05:25. | |
Possibly three men on the run right now. Metro quickly evacuated because | :05:26. | :05:34. | |
one person had said the gunmen had gone underground. Quickly evacuated | :05:35. | :05:37. | |
and searched, no reports of any arrest. We have heard that police | :05:38. | :05:40. | |
are being drafted in from Austria. We are only about 50 miles away here | :05:41. | :05:44. | |
from the German-Austrian border. We also know that German | :05:45. | :05:47. | |
officials have said so they are beefing up | :05:48. | :05:49. | |
their border security. That shows you the scale of the | :05:50. | :05:55. | |
manhunt is not just in Munich but potentially over a much wider area. | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
What is the mood amongst all very people? You mentioned the lockdown | :06:00. | :06:02. | |
and confusion that many of the streets will be deserted, of course. | :06:03. | :06:04. | |
Track but many. Munich police have used social media | :06:05. | :06:11. | |
to their benefit. In the first hour or so they used social media to ask | :06:12. | :06:15. | |
people not to share pictures of the attack but they also used it to get | :06:16. | :06:19. | |
a wide message out to a lot of people very quickly. They said, | :06:20. | :06:22. | |
please stay away from the streets of Munich. If you are at home, stay at | :06:23. | :06:26. | |
home, don't come outside until we know what the situation is. They use | :06:27. | :06:30. | |
it to contact local taxi drivers, not to pick up fares and bring them | :06:31. | :06:42. | |
into the city centre. One more thing going on, to help people who are in | :06:43. | :06:45. | |
Munich perhaps stranded and not sure where to go to take shelter. People | :06:46. | :06:47. | |
had been tweeting with the hashtag open door. If you are stuck and | :06:48. | :06:50. | |
don't know where to go, you can look on twitter, find someone who has | :06:51. | :06:53. | |
been tweeting that hashtag. There are lots of them out there right | :06:54. | :06:56. | |
now, you can go to their home and they will give you sang tree until | :06:57. | :06:58. | |
people know what is going on right now. Thank you. | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
Our Diplomatic Editor Mark Urban is here in the studio. | :07:02. | :07:05. | |
As we have heard, it is a fast moving and incredibly fluid | :07:06. | :07:12. | |
situation in Munich. What are the challenges the police are facing in | :07:13. | :07:15. | |
getting inaccurate picture of what has happened and ideally, of course, | :07:16. | :07:19. | |
catching the people responsible? -- an accurate. We have seen this from | :07:20. | :07:25. | |
a number of incidents, echo chamber of social media and people reporting | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
things, some distortion, perhaps, as to what we are actually looking at. | :07:31. | :07:34. | |
Are there multiple shooters, really? We saw this report in Dallas when it | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
happened a couple of weeks ago. It turned out to be one. Long firearms, | :07:39. | :07:43. | |
rifle type weapons? I very much doubt it. Bubbly people seeing | :07:44. | :07:47. | |
plainclothes police getting involved. Arch probably people. At | :07:48. | :07:52. | |
the last few hours, no reports of gunshots -- probably people. The | :07:53. | :07:56. | |
police have suggested that the ninth person they found dead may well be | :07:57. | :08:01. | |
the gunmen in Black, who we saw in that film. One has to ask, were | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
there ever another one or two? If there were, given the absence of any | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
ongoing incidents in the last hour or two, it is possible they had | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
escaped but equally possible and looking increasingly likely, that | :08:14. | :08:16. | |
this is a lone gunmen who may now have taken his own life. You | :08:17. | :08:20. | |
mentioned the other incidents we have seen in the continent on the | :08:21. | :08:25. | |
last few weeks and months. We don't know that much about the German | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
authorities's capacity to cope. Does it differ from the French, for | :08:30. | :08:34. | |
example? It would be fair to say that when you talk to the British | :08:35. | :08:37. | |
people, military and police who might be involved in this, they look | :08:38. | :08:42. | |
with some envy at the capabilities that those two countries can deploy. | :08:43. | :08:46. | |
If we look at the situation in Germany, for example, to night, I | :08:47. | :08:51. | |
can see officers from the special armed unit of the city police and | :08:52. | :08:58. | |
also a special unit commander SEK, almost like SAS assault forced | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
deployed by the state police and they were there incredibly quickly | :09:04. | :09:07. | |
at that shopping centre. It is an impressive response. The analogous | :09:08. | :09:12. | |
place would be Manchester or Glasgow. You talk to the police and | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
there is a pretty small number of specialist firearms officers on duty | :09:17. | :09:20. | |
even in those large British cities on the average day. It is a very | :09:21. | :09:24. | |
extensive response the Germans can bring. Also some other resources | :09:25. | :09:29. | |
coming in, GS, G nine, national SAS type unit is also on its way down to | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
Munich. If there are the people are at large, they will probably run | :09:34. | :09:36. | |
them to ground quite quickly. Thank you very much. | :09:37. | :09:39. | |
Joining me via Skype from Berlin is Yassin Musharbash, | :09:40. | :09:41. | |
terrorism analyst for the German national weekly paper, Die Zeit. | :09:42. | :09:48. | |
Many thanks for your time. We have heard some speculation that it may | :09:49. | :09:55. | |
be a Lone Wolf attacker with perhaps no affiliations. The alternative, of | :09:56. | :10:00. | |
course, it even recent events in Nice and elsewhere is that there | :10:01. | :10:03. | |
will be an Islamist subtext to this attack, tell us a bit about the | :10:04. | :10:08. | |
situation in Germany. With regard to the fear of Islamist terrorism. The | :10:09. | :10:15. | |
fear is large. Only a couple of days ago we witnessed a terror attack in | :10:16. | :10:20. | |
Germany. The first one, as a matter of fact, that was claimed by the | :10:21. | :10:23. | |
Islamic State. This was on the train? Exactly. Everybody here was | :10:24. | :10:31. | |
on high alert already. As the news broke, after the shooting incident | :10:32. | :10:35. | |
in Munich, I believe what most people assumed immediately was that | :10:36. | :10:37. | |
this is most likely get hardest attack. -- jihadist. As your | :10:38. | :10:45. | |
correspondence that, we do not know. It is too early to say at this | :10:46. | :10:49. | |
moment. All options are still on the table. Ranging from a single shooter | :10:50. | :10:56. | |
to a jihadist cell of three people, some of whom may perhaps still be on | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
the run, we don't know yet. Of course. Tell me a bit about the | :11:01. | :11:04. | |
atmosphere in Germany and specifically in Munich. We know | :11:05. | :11:07. | |
Angela Merkel's decision to invite 1 million refugees into the country | :11:08. | :11:12. | |
has been politically, one might say, controversial. Others would describe | :11:13. | :11:17. | |
it as a toxic environment. One in which people have been fearing the | :11:18. | :11:26. | |
worst? Well, Munich was... The city in Germany where most of the | :11:27. | :11:29. | |
refugees poured into the country, last year. Most of the pictures that | :11:30. | :11:35. | |
made their way around the world of German helpers welcoming refugees | :11:36. | :11:40. | |
were actually filmed in Munich. There is a reason we call Munich the | :11:41. | :11:42. | |
city of hearts in Germany. It is quite possible that this | :11:43. | :11:49. | |
reputation that the city holds is something that a jihadist cell would | :11:50. | :11:56. | |
like to attack and undermine. It is also quite clear that if this turns | :11:57. | :12:02. | |
out to be a jihadist attack, it will change public and political debate | :12:03. | :12:05. | |
in Germany quite profoundly. But, again, we do not know yet, we will | :12:06. | :12:10. | |
have to wait. I appreciate you are repeatedly stressing that. It can't | :12:11. | :12:16. | |
be reiterated often enough. Let's just contemplate, momentarily, the | :12:17. | :12:18. | |
opposite possibility. The possibility that it is perhaps | :12:19. | :12:24. | |
somebody inspired by the anti-Islamist, anti-refugee feeling. | :12:25. | :12:28. | |
That there has been an upsurge in that sentiment in Germany as well. | :12:29. | :12:32. | |
They're absolutely has been. But it hasn't taken on terrorist forms yet. | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
That would be something completely new as well. We have to be reminded | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
that today is the fifth anniversary of the Anders Breivik attack and | :12:41. | :12:44. | |
jihadists think in dates like this. We did not know if right-wing | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
terrorists do, maybe they will and have started today the is another | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
option. That we are talking about a disturbed individual. Dutchman there | :12:54. | :12:56. | |
is another. The footage that was already alluded to in your report, | :12:57. | :13:00. | |
the footage that was shot most likely at the very beginning of this | :13:01. | :13:04. | |
whole attack was a very confusing dialogue with an onlooker. I think | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
it may point towards an attacker with mental issues. That is a third | :13:10. | :13:15. | |
option. At this point we have no indication of a political background | :13:16. | :13:19. | |
but we just don't have it. The terror level, presumably, has been | :13:20. | :13:22. | |
at the highest possible since that type in Wurzburg? -- that attack. | :13:23. | :13:29. | |
All of Germany has been in high alert. That is properly why the | :13:30. | :13:33. | |
police in Munich was able to react in the way they did, which is | :13:34. | :13:37. | |
commendable. Including that use of social media. Thank you. | :13:38. | :13:41. | |
To America now, where Emily Maitlis has spent much of this week watching | :13:42. | :13:44. | |
the Republican party formally endorse Donald Trump's | :13:45. | :13:46. | |
It has been, it's fair to say, a most unconventional Convention. | :13:47. | :13:53. | |
It was an angry speech here in Cleveland last night, | :13:54. | :13:55. | |
from a man laying out a quasi-apocalyptic vision of the | :13:56. | :13:58. | |
country America had become, the violence, the terrorism, the | :13:59. | :14:00. | |
low-paid jobs and the lack of self-esteem. | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
He called himself the candidate of law and order. | :14:06. | :14:08. | |
He invoked some of Nixon's 1968 campaign against that | :14:09. | :14:10. | |
There were great cheers, every time he mentioned blue lives. | :14:11. | :14:18. | |
He thanked the police to loud applause when, at one point, they | :14:19. | :14:21. | |
bundled out a protest, trying to interrupted him. | :14:22. | :14:26. | |
He had an enthusiasm in his voice for | :14:27. | :14:28. | |
something not a million miles away from a police state. | :14:29. | :14:31. | |
What this was not, though, was a traditional Republican | :14:32. | :14:33. | |
There was no mention of abortion or gun rights. | :14:34. | :14:39. | |
Or of the Constitution or of amendments. | :14:40. | :14:42. | |
He, at one point, even tiptoed on LGBT issues to the | :14:43. | :14:47. | |
surprise, perhaps shock of many in the hall. | :14:48. | :14:50. | |
No, this is a man who knows he's turned his own party upside | :14:51. | :14:53. | |
down and now wants to make a pitch invasion on the Democrat's party. | :14:54. | :15:03. | |
The stage was set for a night Stars Stripes American optimism. But the | :15:04. | :15:12. | |
American nightmare is replaced in American dream. Libya is in ruins, | :15:13. | :15:23. | |
and our ambassador and his staff were left helpless to die at the | :15:24. | :15:28. | |
hands of savage killers. This is the legacy of Hillary Clinton - death, | :15:29. | :15:37. | |
destruction, terrorism and weakness. He told them, shouting at times, the | :15:38. | :15:46. | |
solution was forced, blocking migrants, restoring law and order, | :15:47. | :15:52. | |
and this old favourite, the war. -- the wall. | :15:53. | :16:04. | |
He is a military man when he is talking about building a wall. What | :16:05. | :16:12. | |
is the matter with building a wall? I visited the Vatican and it has a | :16:13. | :16:21. | |
wall around it. Why? This speech sought not to reassure but to anger. | :16:22. | :16:28. | |
He also appealed to Bernie Sanders supporters worried about losing | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
their jobs overseas. I don't want to diminish our freedom and | :16:34. | :16:38. | |
independence. We will never, ever sign bad trade deals. America, | :16:39. | :16:51. | |
first, again. America first! I am sure they will listen to his speech | :16:52. | :16:54. | |
with interest and make a judgment on it. It is hard to reconcile a speech | :16:55. | :17:01. | |
on law and order and immigration with Bernie Sanders supporters. All | :17:02. | :17:08. | |
those Bernie Sanders supporters were not socialists. Many were just | :17:09. | :17:12. | |
people who were angry with what was going on. The most memorable slogans | :17:13. | :17:15. | |
have been the ones aimed at Clinton. Last night, Donald Trump | :17:16. | :17:24. | |
reached above the name-calling to insist | :17:25. | :17:26. | |
to the crowd, let's beat her. I think Americans know the choice | :17:27. | :17:29. | |
is between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump | :17:30. | :17:31. | |
and they will go with Donald Trump. They want somebody who can | :17:32. | :17:33. | |
shake up Washington. And Washington, this time, | :17:34. | :17:35. | |
means another Clinton. The baton passes to Philadelphia, | :17:36. | :17:37. | |
next week, when their presidential candidate has to turn her own | :17:38. | :17:39. | |
convention into something I am joined by the former speech | :17:40. | :18:01. | |
writer for George W Bush, and from Los Angeles by Charlotte laws. | :18:02. | :18:08. | |
Peter, I will begin with you, if I may. It is traditionally quite a | :18:09. | :18:13. | |
cheerful occasion, the convention, not necessarily an adjective you | :18:14. | :18:17. | |
would apply to the last few days. That's right. This was the longest | :18:18. | :18:20. | |
and darkest convention speech we have ever seen. The America that | :18:21. | :18:27. | |
Donald Trump was describing was dystopian - dark, dreary, broken and | :18:28. | :18:33. | |
bleeding, almost beyond repair. It was quite extraordinary. It fits his | :18:34. | :18:36. | |
personality, and I think his premises that things are so -- his | :18:37. | :18:43. | |
premise is that things are so bleak that only Donald Trump can fix what | :18:44. | :18:46. | |
is wrong with America. He is incapable of fixing the problems we | :18:47. | :18:50. | |
have, but I think his description of America is so out of touch with | :18:51. | :18:54. | |
America that it won't work. There are problems in the country, but | :18:55. | :18:57. | |
they are discreet and they can be solved. Hillary Clinton and the | :18:58. | :19:02. | |
Democrats will drive a truck through the holes he left in the Cleveland | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
speech. Why was your role was not their? Because Donald Trump is | :19:08. | :19:13. | |
antithetical to a lot of what George W Bush believed in. It is | :19:14. | :19:17. | |
antithetical to a lot of what Ronald Reagan believed in. He is not a | :19:18. | :19:26. | |
conservative, hardly even a Republican, and he is redefining the | :19:27. | :19:30. | |
party in ways that a lot of us think of as dangerous and pernicious. He | :19:31. | :19:34. | |
is a threat to the Republican Party, and I think that was clear from his | :19:35. | :19:39. | |
speech, but it has been clear from what he has been saying and how he | :19:40. | :19:46. | |
has been conducting himself. We have never seen anything like him, and I | :19:47. | :19:51. | |
hope we don't again. Charlotte, you are shaking your head. Do you | :19:52. | :19:57. | |
recognise this description of America as being cowed and close to | :19:58. | :20:03. | |
dystopia? Absolutely. People in this country, many of them, believe that | :20:04. | :20:07. | |
Donald Trump is talking about the situation as it is. People are | :20:08. | :20:11. | |
fearful and realise there is a gap between the rich and poor, they | :20:12. | :20:15. | |
realise corporations are in control and the elite. He is an outsider. We | :20:16. | :20:19. | |
are happy that the Bush family did not speech at the convention, | :20:20. | :20:23. | |
because that would have made it an establishment convention. His speech | :20:24. | :20:28. | |
was a balance between toughness and compassion. I don't agree that it | :20:29. | :20:35. | |
was all dark and dreary. It was inspirational, and if you look at | :20:36. | :20:39. | |
the end section, you will see how it was inspirational and how he got the | :20:40. | :20:43. | |
crowd revved up, so I don't agree with that description. Never is one | :20:44. | :20:48. | |
person who agrees with your analysis. I think he used the word | :20:49. | :20:56. | |
overjoyed to describe it, the leader of the Ku Klux Klan. What does he | :20:57. | :21:00. | |
see an Donald Trump that feels his heart with joy? He released a | :21:01. | :21:07. | |
statement along the lines of, I am happy with Donald Trump for | :21:08. | :21:12. | |
championing my causes. I am not sure that David Duke supports Donald | :21:13. | :21:16. | |
Trump. I believe he supports Hillary Clinton. It is unfair to make that | :21:17. | :21:20. | |
comment. He is running for the Senate, and he said yesterday that | :21:21. | :21:26. | |
he was overjoyed to see Donald Trump championing the causes that he has | :21:27. | :21:30. | |
spent his whole life pursuing. It is unequivocal. I wonder what you think | :21:31. | :21:36. | |
he sees in Donald Trump that appeals to a textbook white supremacist will | :21:37. | :21:42. | |
stop I am part of the animal rights community in Los Angeles, and most | :21:43. | :21:47. | |
of the ones that I know support Donald Trump. I understand that, but | :21:48. | :21:55. | |
I am more interested in what this man sees in Donald Trump. Why is he | :21:56. | :22:03. | |
overjoyed? I have no idea, but I know a lot of people who are | :22:04. | :22:07. | |
overjoyed by Trump who are on the left. You might want to ask the same | :22:08. | :22:11. | |
question about them. I think it is an unfair question, because you are | :22:12. | :22:16. | |
singling out one person who likes Trump when there are lots of people, | :22:17. | :22:20. | |
liberals and Bernie Sanders supporters, who support Trump. It is | :22:21. | :22:24. | |
unfair to try to equate Trump with racism. I wonder why he appeals to | :22:25. | :22:32. | |
such a prominent racist, but if you don't know, that's fine. Peter, when | :22:33. | :22:37. | |
we hear that the Bernie Sanders contingent will be crucial to Mr | :22:38. | :22:45. | |
Trump's chances of moving beyond the base, what buttons will he be trying | :22:46. | :22:48. | |
to push among the non-traditional Republican voters? Trade, the button | :22:49. | :22:55. | |
he pushed all night and the button he has been pushing since he got | :22:56. | :23:02. | |
into the campaign. His bet is that by being a protectionist, and is he | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
-- and he is as fierce a protectionist as we are likely to | :23:08. | :23:11. | |
see, that is what he thinks is his way into those photos. The Sanders | :23:12. | :23:22. | |
voters are really at odds with him. They find Mr Trump repellent. Who | :23:23. | :23:31. | |
will you vote for? I don't know yet. I won't vote for Mr Trump under any | :23:32. | :23:35. | |
conditions, for the reasons I sketched out. I think he is | :23:36. | :23:40. | |
dangerous, erratic, unstable. I think he has a personality disorder, | :23:41. | :23:44. | |
and I think he is unprincipled and would be a threat to the country. I | :23:45. | :23:48. | |
think he is also a threat to the Republican Party. Both are things | :23:49. | :23:53. | |
that I care about, the country and the party. I am not inclined to vote | :23:54. | :23:57. | |
for Mrs Clinton because I am a conservative and she is a liberal. | :23:58. | :24:01. | |
She stands for everything I have stood against in my life. That would | :24:02. | :24:07. | |
be a difficult vote. I may not vote. I will have to see. I will cross | :24:08. | :24:12. | |
that bridge when the 7th of November comes around, the day before the | :24:13. | :24:17. | |
election. I am quite certain I will not vote for Donald Trump. There is | :24:18. | :24:22. | |
a third point of this triangle, albeit a less prominent one. Gary | :24:23. | :24:27. | |
Johnson, the Libertarian candidate. Jeb Bush, your former boss's | :24:28. | :24:39. | |
brother, might support him. I am not a libertarian, I am a Conservative. | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
I have some sympathy for libertarian views, but not a lot. There is a big | :24:45. | :24:49. | |
difference between being a Conservative and a libertarian. My | :24:50. | :24:53. | |
inclination is I will probably vote for someone else on the right. Ben | :24:54. | :24:58. | |
Sass is a senator from Nebraska, very principled and intelligent. He | :24:59. | :25:04. | |
has been a critic of Trump, and very principled about that. We will see. | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
My vote will not make a difference, but you know, people do, as Ted Cruz | :25:09. | :25:15. | |
said, have to vote with their conscience. Charlotte, I think we | :25:16. | :25:20. | |
know how you will cast your vote. Many thanks for your time this | :25:21. | :25:25. | |
evening, and to Peter. Back in Britain. | :25:26. | :25:27. | |
He was one of the big beasts of Brexit but, | :25:28. | :25:29. | |
with victory secured, Iain Duncan Smith has found himself | :25:30. | :25:31. | |
banished to the back benches by Theresa May. | :25:32. | :25:33. | |
A month on from the referendum result, today seemed an opportune | :25:34. | :25:36. | |
moment to find out what the former Work and Pensions Secretary | :25:37. | :25:39. | |
So when I interviewed him earlier today I began by asking | :25:40. | :25:43. | |
whether he was disappointed he was less front and centre | :25:44. | :25:48. | |
than Boris Johnson and Michael Gove when the results of | :25:49. | :25:50. | |
In my view, it's always been on this, 24 years ago, when I voted | :25:51. | :25:56. | |
against Maastricht I actually was not for the UK | :25:57. | :26:00. | |
leaving the European Union, I believed it | :26:01. | :26:04. | |
Over the years, as I've seen more treaties go through, I | :26:05. | :26:09. | |
The main point I would make about this | :26:10. | :26:13. | |
I was involved a lot in the debate and I | :26:14. | :26:16. | |
don't have any personal prejudice in terms of wanting myself to be front | :26:17. | :26:20. | |
and centre on this, never had really. | :26:21. | :26:21. | |
I know you have spoken about the ?350 million pledge that wasn't | :26:22. | :26:26. | |
There are a few other areas where perhaps people might | :26:27. | :26:29. | |
Well, to be fair, you could probably argue | :26:30. | :26:35. | |
both sides of the case there were lots of different types of stories. | :26:36. | :26:38. | |
There was a wonderful story how all families would be ?4,300 | :26:39. | :26:41. | |
The point is, on balance, I don't think people actually made | :26:42. | :26:46. | |
their decision on elements like that. | :26:47. | :26:51. | |
I think what they made their | :26:52. | :26:52. | |
decision on was, on the basis, did they feel instinctively | :26:53. | :26:55. | |
that the UK was better off out for them. | :26:56. | :26:57. | |
Are you more comfortable today about the fact | :26:58. | :26:59. | |
that the country is being controlled by a Remainer? | :27:00. | :27:04. | |
We are a Conservative Government, we had four more years to run... | :27:05. | :27:12. | |
You were pretty clear that you wanted a Brexiteer in the big job. | :27:13. | :27:16. | |
I wanted to leave but that slightly went south | :27:17. | :27:18. | |
when Mr Gove and Mr Johnson didn't quite get their act together. | :27:19. | :27:21. | |
I was public in saying that I thought if they were together, | :27:22. | :27:26. | |
My sense about this, though, is that Theresa May, | :27:27. | :27:31. | |
I have known her for a long time, I have worked with her in | :27:32. | :27:34. | |
Cabinet, I know if she gives her word on something, she will keep it. | :27:35. | :27:38. | |
They will get on with it now and we will | :27:39. | :27:44. | |
I sense, and perhaps I'm wrong, you would be | :27:45. | :27:48. | |
rather more keen to be involved in these processes and negotiations. | :27:49. | :27:50. | |
Yes I am, as a member of Parliament, I have a view and I will make that | :27:51. | :27:56. | |
By the way, I don't regret that I'm not in government, | :27:57. | :28:01. | |
I resigned back in March, for different reasons. | :28:02. | :28:03. | |
I was in no hurry to get back in government. | :28:04. | :28:05. | |
I've got a lot I want to get on with. | :28:06. | :28:08. | |
I'm going back to the Centre for Social | :28:09. | :28:10. | |
Justice and I want to get on with other things, | :28:11. | :28:12. | |
David Davis has got your job, hasn't he? | :28:13. | :28:16. | |
I wish him the best of luck. I'm an old friend of David's. | :28:17. | :28:20. | |
Liam Fox? No, no. | :28:21. | :28:21. | |
You have to acknowledge that had your candidate for the | :28:22. | :28:24. | |
leadership, Andrea Leadsom, succeded, you would have | :28:25. | :28:25. | |
expected to be at the top table? | :28:26. | :28:27. | |
Even so, I wasn't really asking for a job. | :28:28. | :28:29. | |
My point was I wanted to get the right people in place. | :28:30. | :28:32. | |
Is Boris Johnson the right person to be Foreign Secretary? | :28:33. | :28:35. | |
Now you have a very different setup, because | :28:36. | :28:39. | |
The European stuff is now in another department | :28:40. | :28:43. | |
and the trade stuff is carved off into a Trade Department, | :28:44. | :28:45. | |
All of that means that Boris has a job to | :28:46. | :28:50. | |
do, to tell the world, this is an important factor, | :28:51. | :28:52. | |
to tell the world that actually, Britain is open for | :28:53. | :28:54. | |
business and Britain is a country that has always managed through | :28:55. | :28:57. | |
difficult times and good times and will continue to do so. | :28:58. | :29:00. | |
Actually, the funny thing about Boris, he is | :29:01. | :29:01. | |
pretty good at doing that kind of stuff. | :29:02. | :29:03. | |
To steer you back to the new Prime Minister and the notion of | :29:04. | :29:09. | |
mandate and the notion of wanting, by your own admission, | :29:10. | :29:12. | |
a Brexit leader and not getting one, does she have a mandate | :29:13. | :29:14. | |
She has stood for an election to lead the Conservative Party and | :29:15. | :29:23. | |
the leader of the Conservative Party de facto has a right to claim | :29:24. | :29:28. | |
The country has asked that Britain leaves the European Union. | :29:29. | :29:37. | |
She has said we will now act on that. | :29:38. | :29:39. | |
It is a very simple statement and a very simple | :29:40. | :29:41. | |
comment from her that she is going to do that. | :29:42. | :29:44. | |
Any sympathy for Messrs Cameron and Osborne? | :29:45. | :29:47. | |
It's a tough job being in government. | :29:48. | :29:48. | |
It's particular tough being Prime Minister. | :29:49. | :29:50. | |
I've worked very closely with the Prime Minister for six years. | :29:51. | :29:52. | |
You weren't so close to the Chancellor, were you? | :29:53. | :29:54. | |
We didn't always see eye to eye, to be fair. | :29:55. | :30:02. | |
At the end, we had a chain of disagreements, | :30:03. | :30:06. | |
which culminated in my resigning from the government. | :30:07. | :30:07. | |
Have you spoken to either of them since resigning? | :30:08. | :30:10. | |
I have, since then. Which one? | :30:11. | :30:12. | |
I wouldn't say they were hugely long conversations, | :30:13. | :30:17. | |
Now, just time to remind you that Newsnight is on Saturday this week, | :30:18. | :30:25. | |
and we're so excited we made a montage about it. | :30:26. | :30:38. | |
It is on BBC Two tomorrow. Coming up next, the award-winning Scottish | :30:39. | :30:46. | |
crime writer Val McDermid looks at the relationship between fiction, | :30:47. | :30:50. | |
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