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IS reaches into rural France to deliver yet | :00:00. | :00:08. | |
another act of barbarism, this time inside a church. | :00:09. | :00:14. | |
President Hollande says the threat to France has never been so severe, | :00:15. | :00:18. | |
while the people of the small Normandy town struggle to absorb | :00:19. | :00:21. | |
TRANSLATION: He was a simple man, he was always at people's service. | :00:22. | :00:26. | |
He could have taken a quiet retirement but he preferred to stay | :00:27. | :00:30. | |
active as long as he was in good health. | :00:31. | :00:32. | |
He preferred to stay active and serve his parish. | :00:33. | :00:38. | |
I am in Ansbach in Bavaria where a Syrian refugee claiming to act on | :00:39. | :00:45. | |
behalf of Islamic State blew himself up at the weekend. | :00:46. | :00:48. | |
But how much can the state do to protect its citizens, | :00:49. | :00:50. | |
and at the same time preserve freedom? | :00:51. | :00:52. | |
Tonight, Bernie Sanders offers emphatic support to Clinton but do | :00:53. | :01:03. | |
his actions match his words? We ask how Hillary can take the message to | :01:04. | :01:06. | |
the country when she remains unpopular with so many. | :01:07. | :01:08. | |
She recognises how sharply divided the party is now | :01:09. | :01:10. | |
She would promote Bernie Sanders to be nominated from the floor | :01:11. | :01:17. | |
If you had a Clinton-Sanders ticket, I think | :01:18. | :01:20. | |
that would do a lot to heal the party. | :01:21. | :01:22. | |
Also tonight, what happens when interests plummet to less than zero? | :01:23. | :01:25. | |
We've already seen in Japan and Germany the sale | :01:26. | :01:29. | |
What would that mean to the confidence of the banking | :01:30. | :01:32. | |
system if people started leaving their money in safes, | :01:33. | :01:34. | |
A new horror was visited on France today when two terrorists, | :01:35. | :01:52. | |
claimed by IS, entered a church in a small town | :01:53. | :01:58. | |
in Normandy during Mass and murdered an 84-year-old priest | :01:59. | :02:00. | |
and critically injured one of the three worshippers before | :02:01. | :02:02. | |
being killed by French police outside the church. | :02:03. | :02:06. | |
One of the attackers was under close surveillance, on probation, | :02:07. | :02:08. | |
and wearing an electronic tag after two failed attempts | :02:09. | :02:11. | |
President Hollande, who arrived swiftly at the scene, | :02:12. | :02:14. | |
said it was one more sign that France was at war with | :02:15. | :02:16. | |
It's another act of barbarism so soon after the Nice massacre | :02:17. | :02:26. | |
and in Germany, the vicious attacks in Wuerzburg | :02:27. | :02:28. | |
and Ansbach, all brutal, unsophisticated attacks designed | :02:29. | :02:30. | |
The premier of Bavaria said officials had to do whatever | :02:31. | :02:35. | |
was necessary to protect citizens, and the French President | :02:36. | :02:37. | |
says we must protect citizens "by all means." | :02:38. | :02:40. | |
But what are the limits of the state in modern democracies? | :02:41. | :02:42. | |
We'll be discussing that in a moment, and reporting | :02:43. | :02:46. | |
from Bavaria, but first, Secunder Karmani is in the small | :02:47. | :02:48. | |
For those in Rouen Cathedral attending a Mass in honour | :02:49. | :02:57. | |
of Father Jacques Hamel, there must have been | :02:58. | :02:59. | |
Yet another IS-related attack in France. | :03:00. | :03:04. | |
If young people were targeted in Paris, families in Nice, | :03:05. | :03:10. | |
today's victim, an 84-year-old old priest, represented yet another | :03:11. | :03:12. | |
The priest who normally works in the church that was attacked | :03:13. | :03:23. | |
said the murdered man was only there as he was away on holiday. | :03:24. | :03:28. | |
TRANSLATION: I've spoken to a few people, notably some of the sisters | :03:29. | :03:31. | |
I don't know how we are going to get through the next few hours. | :03:32. | :03:43. | |
He was a simple man, always at people's service. | :03:44. | :03:45. | |
He was 85 and could have taken a quiet retirement but he preferred | :03:46. | :03:49. | |
to stay active as long as he was in good health. | :03:50. | :03:51. | |
He preferred to stay active and serve his parish. | :03:52. | :03:53. | |
The two attackers burst into this church this morning, | :03:54. | :03:57. | |
taking the priest and a handful of nuns and parishioners prisoner. | :03:58. | :04:02. | |
They slit the throat of the priest and recorded it on camera. | :04:03. | :04:06. | |
One of the nuns, speaking to French media, described what she saw. | :04:07. | :04:29. | |
Both attackers were killed quickly by police as they emerged | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
from the church, but there will be questions for the security services. | :04:34. | :04:38. | |
French authorities have already faced severe criticism | :04:39. | :04:39. | |
A damning report about security failings in the lead up | :04:40. | :04:45. | |
to the Paris attacks, an alleged lack of police on duty | :04:46. | :04:51. | |
in Nice and today it has emerged that at least one of the attackers | :04:52. | :04:54. | |
who struck here was very much on the authorities' radar. | :04:55. | :04:57. | |
Having tried and failed to get to Syria, he was on a curfew | :04:58. | :05:00. | |
At the Cathedral today, some felt there was little that | :05:01. | :05:05. | |
could ever be done to protect such soft targets. | :05:06. | :05:10. | |
Nobody thought it would ever be attacked so, yes, | :05:11. | :05:20. | |
you see the army in the street every day, in small groups, but you can't | :05:21. | :05:24. | |
But amongst some in France there is real anger at the continuing | :05:25. | :05:31. | |
Prime Minister Manuel Valls was booed as he attended a minute's | :05:32. | :05:38. | |
silence for the victims in Nice two weeks ago. | :05:39. | :05:41. | |
He had suggested that terrorism was becoming a modern reality France | :05:42. | :05:44. | |
As always after an attack, there are prayers for the dead | :05:45. | :05:50. | |
Could more have been done to prevent the bloodshed? | :05:51. | :05:56. | |
Were those responsible directed by IS or just inspired by them? | :05:57. | :06:03. | |
Perhaps the biggest question in France right now is how on earth | :06:04. | :06:06. | |
does the country stop what appears to be an almost relentless | :06:07. | :06:08. | |
TRANSLATION: We are attached to the bitty but in situations like this | :06:09. | :06:19. | |
people who have nothing to hide have nothing to worry about. You can't | :06:20. | :06:27. | |
say this is a risk. The state has to take all the Ms is possible to bring | :06:28. | :06:31. | |
back security and protect citizens two all the measures possible. -- | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
all the measures possible. Following the attacks in Paris | :06:37. | :06:39. | |
in November there were over 3500 raids as part of the state | :06:40. | :06:42. | |
of emergency that was imposed. They were criticised by some | :06:43. | :06:44. | |
for being too harsh. And there are some calls | :06:45. | :06:47. | |
for the authorities not to go TRANSLATION: The response to | :06:48. | :06:56. | |
violence is never violence, the response must be reasoned, we need | :06:57. | :06:59. | |
to think long-term and understand people's motivations. Right now we | :07:00. | :07:02. | |
are completely out of our depth. This afternoon, one person | :07:03. | :07:05. | |
was arrested in connection One of the victims is | :07:06. | :07:07. | |
still in hospital. But the French president has | :07:08. | :07:13. | |
had to visit the scene He said that IS had | :07:14. | :07:15. | |
declared war on France. Now the pressure on him | :07:16. | :07:18. | |
to respond is growing. What is the latest on the | :07:19. | :07:34. | |
investigation? In the last few hours, the French public prosecutor | :07:35. | :07:39. | |
has been talking and the authorities have formally identified one of the | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
two attackers as a 19-year-old man who lived close to the scene of the | :07:44. | :07:49. | |
attack, Adel Kermiche and he was well-known to the authorities, | :07:50. | :07:52. | |
having been arrested on two occasions trying to get to Syria. He | :07:53. | :07:57. | |
spent some time in jail here and was released with an electronic tag and | :07:58. | :08:04. | |
he is also a kind of terrorism watchlist which thousands of people | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
are on. There will be questions about the level of surveillance he | :08:09. | :08:13. | |
was on as part of being on the list. One imagines over the next few days | :08:14. | :08:17. | |
there will be calls for tougher treatment of the people on the list, | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
even though many of them have never been convicted of any crime and that | :08:22. | :08:25. | |
gets to the heart of the dilemma that France and much of Europe is | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
in, where you draw the boundary between security and liberty. | :08:30. | :08:35. | |
Another thing to add about the investigation, a key line that the | :08:36. | :08:39. | |
authorities will try and pursue, were the attackers linked directly | :08:40. | :08:43. | |
to people in Syria? There are reports that Adel Kermiche was close | :08:44. | :08:47. | |
friends with a particularly well-known French jihadi from this | :08:48. | :08:55. | |
region who went to Syria and appeared in a number of videos. We | :08:56. | :09:01. | |
will seek if he inspired this attack. We know that the attackers | :09:02. | :09:03. | |
filmed the murder that they committed. Thank you for joining us. | :09:04. | :09:07. | |
The Normany murder follows closely on from a spate of attacks | :09:08. | :09:09. | |
in the last eight days in Germany which have left 15 people dead, | :09:10. | :09:13. | |
including four attackers, and dozens injured. | :09:14. | :09:16. | |
German officials say two attackers had links | :09:17. | :09:18. | |
Bavaria's state premier, a long-standing critic | :09:19. | :09:23. | |
of Angela Merkel's open door refugee policy, said it was time to up | :09:24. | :09:26. | |
It was in Bavaria, on Sunday, in Ansbach, that a suicide bombing | :09:27. | :09:32. | |
near a music festival wounded 15 people. | :09:33. | :09:33. | |
What more do we know? Well, we are learning, on the official Islamic | :09:34. | :09:50. | |
State weekly newspaper this evening they are making some very | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
interesting claims about the man, named as Mohammad D, who blew | :09:55. | :10:02. | |
himself up just behind me. They say that he was a member of Al-Qaeda in | :10:03. | :10:06. | |
Iraq as far back as 2011 and that he fought with various Jihadist groups | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
on the front lines around Aleppo, that he was wounded and sought | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
treatment in Europe and that there was direct communication with him in | :10:16. | :10:19. | |
the days running up to the attack. There was a lot of scepticism about | :10:20. | :10:24. | |
that here on the streets of Ansbach Forster people pointing to the fact | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
that he sought treatment for mental health issues, that he had | :10:30. | :10:32. | |
apparently twice tried to take his own life previously. At least two | :10:33. | :10:38. | |
people I spoke to said that he didn't seem very religious, they saw | :10:39. | :10:42. | |
him at the mosque only once even though he lived here for two years | :10:43. | :10:46. | |
and he didn't observe Ramadan. But he was about to be deported when he | :10:47. | :10:53. | |
blew himself up and he left a message pledging himself to the | :10:54. | :10:56. | |
leader of Islamic State. We know that the Bavarian premier has been | :10:57. | :11:02. | |
speaking but what is the mood in Germany? Up until last week, Germany | :11:03. | :11:10. | |
had largely escaped the kind of scenes that we've heard about in | :11:11. | :11:14. | |
France and scene in Ofgem, the kind of scenes we saw in Britain on July | :11:15. | :11:19. | |
seven, even though they have taken in more than 1 million refugees. | :11:20. | :11:25. | |
Things have been calm. Four attacks has changed that a lot -- and in | :11:26. | :11:33. | |
Belgium. The attacks may not be connected to any jihad, one may be | :11:34. | :11:37. | |
linked to the far right but that is falling to the wayside in the public | :11:38. | :11:45. | |
awareness. The kind of welcoming culture we saw with such | :11:46. | :11:47. | |
extraordinary scenes last summer with people carrying water and food | :11:48. | :11:54. | |
for the incoming refugees, that seems to be changing. Angela | :11:55. | :11:59. | |
Merkel's popularity ratings are falling, under pressure from members | :12:00. | :12:03. | |
of her own coalition who say that the open borders policy must stop. | :12:04. | :12:04. | |
Thank you for joining us. IS was quick to claim | :12:05. | :12:11. | |
today's attack in France. Are the recent attacks a coordinated | :12:12. | :12:13. | |
series aimed at destabilising the fabric of Western society | :12:14. | :12:17. | |
or random acts of extreme violence? Is this the start of some awful | :12:18. | :12:20. | |
new chapter of political violence You don't have to delve very deep | :12:21. | :12:25. | |
to see that killers using knives, axes or vehicles are extremely hard | :12:26. | :12:35. | |
to detect ahead of time, But some of these acts, | :12:36. | :12:38. | |
at least, are part of a new wave It's different to the threat we sort | :12:39. | :12:44. | |
of previously experienced with Al-Qaeda, precisely | :12:45. | :12:49. | |
because the strategy has changed, the move towards low-grade terrorism | :12:50. | :12:55. | |
insofar as it is not sophisticated, so everyday, ordinary objects, | :12:56. | :12:58. | |
a car, all these sorts of things are being used now to kill people | :12:59. | :13:03. | |
in politically symbolic ways that still affects us and resonates very | :13:04. | :13:07. | |
profoundly with our societies, but it's materially different | :13:08. | :13:10. | |
to something like the scale and sophistication of September | :13:11. | :13:15. | |
11th, the Madrid bombings, or 7/7. Faced with this threat, | :13:16. | :13:21. | |
police called to the scene, as today, have to take decisions | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
immediately with a high probability Well, certainly, what we've seen, | :13:27. | :13:29. | |
not just in France and Germany, but in events that have | :13:30. | :13:36. | |
taken place elsewhere, so for example in Ottawa | :13:37. | :13:38. | |
and in Sydney, is a terrorist threat that manifests itself with the aim | :13:39. | :13:41. | |
that the assailants are not planning And therefore what the police need | :13:42. | :13:44. | |
to do is to assess very quickly the threat that is posed, | :13:45. | :13:52. | |
the risks that are there, and to select the appropriate | :13:53. | :13:54. | |
tactical option, which more often than not in cases of late requires | :13:55. | :13:59. | |
a very swift response IS has claimed today's attack, | :14:00. | :14:02. | |
but is that just a cynical ploy? Some recent claims, like Nice, | :14:03. | :14:10. | |
have taken more than 24 hours, leading some to suppose that | :14:11. | :14:13. | |
Islamic State is simply taking But in several instances, | :14:14. | :14:16. | |
there have been signs We don't live in a police state, | :14:17. | :14:23. | |
thankfully, and there isn't a policeman on every single corner | :14:24. | :14:27. | |
keeping tabs on every single Nevertheless, the measures | :14:28. | :14:30. | |
that we do have in the United Kingdom are such to keep | :14:31. | :14:36. | |
abreast of what's taking place in order to allocate resources | :14:37. | :14:40. | |
at the correct time to threats Does that mean that every single | :14:41. | :14:42. | |
incident can be prevented? The aspiration is to aim for that, | :14:43. | :14:49. | |
that is what the security services want to achieve, | :14:50. | :14:52. | |
but it can't necessarily Addressing France tonight, | :14:53. | :14:55. | |
President Hollande told a nation shocked by recent events | :14:56. | :15:01. | |
just how much was at stake. We the French people, | :15:02. | :15:05. | |
let us make a block. That is how we will win the war | :15:06. | :15:18. | |
against hatred and fanaticism. And I assure you, | :15:19. | :15:21. | |
we will win this war. Long live the Republic, | :15:22. | :15:25. | |
long live France. With the ongoing wave of violence, | :15:26. | :15:28. | |
President Hollande has seen the far right surge in the polls | :15:29. | :15:33. | |
and his own ratings slump. And as it carries on, | :15:34. | :15:40. | |
there is a very real possibility that the government might be changed | :15:41. | :15:43. | |
in France, or even Germany, by this wave of Islamic State | :15:44. | :15:46. | |
inspired violence - something their supporters | :15:47. | :15:53. | |
could regard as a major coup. With further raids under way in that | :15:54. | :15:55. | |
France tonight, those involved in counterterrorism expect | :15:56. | :15:58. | |
a long and difficult summer. With me now is Shami Chakrabarti, | :15:59. | :16:07. | |
the former director of Liberty a former director of global | :16:08. | :16:10. | |
counter-terrorism for MI6. There can be no softer target than a | :16:11. | :16:27. | |
church with a priest, two nuns and other worshippers. This series of | :16:28. | :16:34. | |
soft targets in France and now in Germany, IS will use these to | :16:35. | :16:38. | |
destabilise, whether aren't they were the instigators. Absolutely, IS | :16:39. | :16:43. | |
will take advantage of anything that happens, and of course our own | :16:44. | :16:47. | |
reaction is to assume that it is IS as well, because they have been | :16:48. | :16:50. | |
quite successful at that. When you think of the soft target in any | :16:51. | :16:56. | |
country, or any country that might be the target of IS, it is very hard | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
to know what you should do to protect them. The contract between | :17:01. | :17:04. | |
the state and the citizen is that the state will try to keep the | :17:05. | :17:09. | |
Citizen safe while giving them freedoms, but as Sarkozy was saying, | :17:10. | :17:15. | |
is that possible when the enemy has no taboos, no limits, no borders? | :17:16. | :17:19. | |
Are we going to have to change the way we look at security? I would say | :17:20. | :17:24. | |
quite the reverse, because the whole point of IS is to undermine the | :17:25. | :17:29. | |
cohesion of society, to a road human rights and the observance of human | :17:30. | :17:33. | |
rights and so on, and to make people feel that they are being | :17:34. | :17:36. | |
discriminated against and that the governments they live and not doing | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
a good job of looking out the them. So I think, actually, as was said | :17:42. | :17:45. | |
famously after the Anders Breivik attacks, what we need is more | :17:46. | :17:50. | |
democracy, not less. When people are murdered, we do not expect the state | :17:51. | :17:54. | |
to stop every murder, but do we expect the state to stop every act | :17:55. | :17:59. | |
of terrorism? Or is Manuel Valls right, you have to live with it? | :18:00. | :18:04. | |
Well, we all live with risk in our lives, but Richard is so right, the | :18:05. | :18:09. | |
point about terrorism is that it provokes to get a reaction, so if | :18:10. | :18:14. | |
for example Angela Merkel had been a stabilising influence on the | :18:15. | :18:18. | |
continent of Europe, then that has to be undermined. Now, we have seen | :18:19. | :18:24. | |
so many horrors in recent times, including, by the way, the murder of | :18:25. | :18:27. | |
an MP on our own streets, and I suspect that if the alleged | :18:28. | :18:32. | |
perpetrator had been of a different race, we would have been discussing | :18:33. | :18:35. | |
whether that could have been claimed by them. What I suspect is going on, | :18:36. | :18:42. | |
of course, some of these incidents are orchestrated, some are inspired, | :18:43. | :18:45. | |
and some are claimed after the event, regardless of what happened. | :18:46. | :18:50. | |
And in a sense, we have to deal with risk, we have to deal with our own | :18:51. | :18:54. | |
fears, and we have to make sure we do not close down our society, | :18:55. | :18:59. | |
because that is, I hate to keep saying this, that is what IS wants. | :19:00. | :19:06. | |
But we do expect the state to have a certain degree of surveillance, a | :19:07. | :19:13. | |
certain degree of security. As we know, after the Paris attacks, | :19:14. | :19:16. | |
thousands were interviewed, and we know there was a failure of security | :19:17. | :19:20. | |
today because one of the attackers had and Alec Trellick Tower on. One | :19:21. | :19:26. | |
of the attackers had an electronic target, and that raises a question | :19:27. | :19:29. | |
too about how many people you can put under total surveillance at | :19:30. | :19:33. | |
anyone time. One of the things I suspect we have in common is that | :19:34. | :19:37. | |
this idea of the wrist freezers I'd eat this the enemy of this book and | :19:38. | :19:43. | |
the civil liberties Aryan. -- the risk free society is the enemy of | :19:44. | :19:57. | |
the spook and the civil libertarian. But we expect our security servers | :19:58. | :20:02. | |
to deliver for us, and there has to be a curtailing of certain freedoms. | :20:03. | :20:09. | |
Well, I am not sure, you know, that has to be put to the public test, as | :20:10. | :20:14. | |
to how much freedom they would like curtailed, but you are right, the | :20:15. | :20:18. | |
problem of looking at everybody who could possibly be a future | :20:19. | :20:22. | |
perpetrator of a terrorist crime is amazing. In-lap Roz, for example, | :20:23. | :20:29. | |
300 people who have come back from Iraq, Syria, another 800 have been | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
stopped, that is already 1100 people. -- in France. We have to | :20:34. | :20:40. | |
keep these things in proportion. We have an idea that we can completely | :20:41. | :20:44. | |
eliminate the threat from terrorism, but we do not regard any other crime | :20:45. | :20:50. | |
in that way. But does behaviour have to change? I mean, the behaviours of | :20:51. | :20:55. | |
children in schools,, you know, duck and cover for the nuclear threat, do | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
we have to be more aware of terrorism? I do not think it is | :21:01. | :21:05. | |
about dark and cover, but we need to reflect, we had an opportunity after | :21:06. | :21:10. | |
9/11 and again after 7/7, and now we have a similar opportunity in France | :21:11. | :21:16. | |
and Germany, and I hope they go the way that Norway went after Breivik. | :21:17. | :21:22. | |
Yes, we need a mortgage and society, but we need a stronger civil | :21:23. | :21:27. | |
society, we need a vigil is in communities. But how do you maintain | :21:28. | :21:34. | |
a cohesive society? We know things are changing in Germany, even in the | :21:35. | :21:39. | |
last the weeks, as you know, Gabriel Gatehouse was saying, the wonderful | :21:40. | :21:44. | |
welcome that refugees had. How do keep society cohesive when there is | :21:45. | :21:50. | |
a lot of division? Well, as he said, over 1 million refugees now in | :21:51. | :21:54. | |
Germany, how many refugees have been arrested on terrorism charges? I | :21:55. | :21:58. | |
should imagine less than five, a tiny percentage. So we are | :21:59. | :22:03. | |
extrapolated from this security threat into, you know, anxiety about | :22:04. | :22:10. | |
immigrants. If I was Isis, I would be thinking about positively | :22:11. | :22:13. | |
undermining Angela Merkel's policy on refugees right now, because it is | :22:14. | :22:19. | |
about alienation and injustice, and that is how you recruit terrorists. | :22:20. | :22:23. | |
I just want to change the subject, because there were reports that you | :22:24. | :22:27. | |
had refused a peerage. Rather than asking that, is there a peerage in | :22:28. | :22:32. | |
the offing? That is being discussed, a Labour peerage. I don't know, are | :22:33. | :22:42. | |
you going to take onto my I haven't been offered one, have you? Many | :22:43. | :22:43. | |
times! Thank you very much indeed. The Democrat Convention | :22:44. | :22:45. | |
in the City of Brotherly Love Last night, Michelle Obama raised | :22:46. | :22:47. | |
the roof in Philadelphia with a passionate speech in praise | :22:48. | :22:51. | |
of Hillary Clinton, and later tonight, Bill Clinton | :22:52. | :22:53. | |
will take to the stage. But there's a lot of unease | :22:54. | :22:56. | |
about poor poll showings and the convention | :22:57. | :22:58. | |
has had a rocky start. All that is true, but tonight | :22:59. | :23:10. | |
America stands on the edge of history, a major political party is | :23:11. | :23:14. | |
about to another date a woman for president for the first time ever. | :23:15. | :23:19. | |
The roll call going on behind me, noisy and emotional, as the states | :23:20. | :23:25. | |
and the delegates take their turn one by one. Well, the Pap for | :23:26. | :23:28. | |
Hillary Clinton has been far from smooth. As you said, last night | :23:29. | :23:33. | |
Democratic rival Bernie Sanders took to the stage to endorse her, | :23:34. | :23:38. | |
wholeheartedly, and to ask his supporters to do the same. But it is | :23:39. | :23:43. | |
a problem that stands, do his actions actually belie his words? | :23:44. | :23:48. | |
And how does a character so divisive and so unpopular as Hillary Clinton, | :23:49. | :23:54. | |
going into this Convention on favourability ratings of minus 22, | :23:55. | :23:55. | |
bring her country round? # You must rejoice, | :23:56. | :23:58. | |
there is no choice The Late Show at convention | :23:59. | :24:03. | |
is virtually required viewing Stephen Colbert channelling | :24:04. | :24:13. | |
the hipster Sandista Death, taxes and Hillary - | :24:14. | :24:16. | |
she's made to seem inevitable. And inevitability, as we all know, | :24:17. | :24:28. | |
is rarely that sexy. And Tim Kaine! | :24:29. | :24:30. | |
LAUGHTER. Hillary Clinton will make | :24:31. | :24:33. | |
an outstanding president, and I am proud to stand | :24:34. | :24:36. | |
with her tonight! gave the strongest endorsement | :24:37. | :24:40. | |
he could of Clinton. A confused response from the hall, | :24:41. | :24:46. | |
though - some cheers, some boos, | :24:47. | :24:49. | |
and chanting. And the Hillary campaign team, | :24:50. | :24:55. | |
led by John Podesta, who was also her husband | :24:56. | :24:58. | |
Bill Clinton's chief of staff, The really big problem | :24:59. | :25:01. | |
for the party is the unpopularity | :25:02. | :25:06. | |
of both main candidates now, Look, I think we are | :25:07. | :25:08. | |
going to work, and this convention will succeed | :25:09. | :25:11. | |
in putting forward not only a platform | :25:12. | :25:16. | |
and a set of ideas but show Hillary Clinton | :25:17. | :25:19. | |
and Tim Kaine as people who've devoted their life to helping | :25:20. | :25:26. | |
working people, to lifting them up, and we'll see a lot of that | :25:27. | :25:30. | |
through the voices of real people Others, like former presidential | :25:31. | :25:33. | |
candidate Dennis Kucinich, called for more radical action | :25:34. | :25:38. | |
from her Hillary Clinton, if she | :25:39. | :25:41. | |
recognised how sharply divided the party is right now | :25:42. | :25:47. | |
because of the DNC scandal, she would permit Bernie Sanders | :25:48. | :25:50. | |
to be nominated from the floor If you had a Clinton-Sanders | :25:51. | :25:53. | |
ticket, I think that would do a lot to heal the party and give it | :25:54. | :25:59. | |
a strong chance in November. You're actually saying | :26:00. | :26:02. | |
she should get rid of Kaine now. Not get rid of him, no, it's not | :26:03. | :26:04. | |
about getting rid of anybody. It's about realising | :26:05. | :26:07. | |
that something happened here that is profoundly adverse | :26:08. | :26:10. | |
to what the Democratic Party is supposed to believe in, | :26:11. | :26:13. | |
and so how do you heal that? You can't just let it stand, | :26:14. | :26:18. | |
it's got to be addressed, and the easiest way to address it | :26:19. | :26:20. | |
is to say, and the one way to do that is to | :26:21. | :26:23. | |
say, "Bernie, come on board." Despite emphatic words of support | :26:24. | :26:31. | |
from Bernie Sanders last night, here is the curious thing - | :26:32. | :26:34. | |
the Vermont Senator has never officially | :26:35. | :26:37. | |
suspended his own campaign, and this morning he announced he | :26:38. | :26:39. | |
wouldn't be fundraising for Clinton, telling his supporters | :26:40. | :26:42. | |
the political revolution goes on. And one of those opening the | :26:43. | :26:48. | |
convention here onstage explains it, telling me this is essentially | :26:49. | :26:51. | |
the first time the Hillary-Sanders | :26:52. | :26:54. | |
campaigns have met. as two campaigns | :26:55. | :26:55. | |
who have fought each other. We'll go out of here as one | :26:56. | :26:59. | |
effort to defeat Donald Trump and hold on to the White House | :27:00. | :27:02. | |
this fall. Are you sure? | :27:03. | :27:04. | |
Oh, absolutely, absolutely. First of all, the majority | :27:05. | :27:06. | |
of our folks are already there, and the rest, every day, are coming | :27:07. | :27:08. | |
to understand just how quickly we've been moving this party | :27:09. | :27:11. | |
in a progressive direction. A month ago, we had | :27:12. | :27:19. | |
a milquetoast platform. Today, we have the most progressive | :27:20. | :27:22. | |
in the party's history. It's because of the work | :27:23. | :27:24. | |
of our revolution. This is a weird cocoon, | :27:25. | :27:27. | |
he explains - "We come in one animal, | :27:28. | :27:29. | |
we go out another" - every breath Hillary Clinton | :27:30. | :27:31. | |
has to spend uniting her own party is one lost talking | :27:32. | :27:36. | |
to the swing voters she so desperately needs | :27:37. | :27:39. | |
to win over. Well, Hillary Clinton need that | :27:40. | :27:53. | |
magic number to cross the line. In the last few moments, we have just | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
had the nomination from the oldest delegate, 102-year-old woman from | :27:58. | :28:02. | |
Arizona, older than the suffrage movement itself. One of her closest | :28:03. | :28:06. | |
confidants, who has known her for three decades, and her husband, is | :28:07. | :28:11. | |
the Virginia governor Terry McAuliffe. He will be nominating her | :28:12. | :28:16. | |
public on the stage in a moment. Just before we came on air, I spoke | :28:17. | :28:18. | |
to him. Did Bernie Sanders | :28:19. | :28:22. | |
do enough last night I think Bernie Sanders did more | :28:23. | :28:24. | |
than anyone expected. He made it clear | :28:25. | :28:27. | |
why he was in the race, and then at the end he said, | :28:28. | :28:29. | |
"This is why we have to elect Hillary Clinton | :28:30. | :28:32. | |
as the next president." So you had Michelle Obama, | :28:33. | :28:34. | |
you had Elizabeth Warren, and then you, of course, | :28:35. | :28:36. | |
had Senator Sanders. Yesterday, the Sanders folks, | :28:37. | :28:38. | |
listen, they worked hard, I chaired Hillary's last campaign | :28:39. | :28:40. | |
for president, They wanted to vent yesterday, | :28:41. | :28:42. | |
they did that. Now we begin, we nominate her, | :28:43. | :28:46. | |
we go on as one party. But do his actions | :28:47. | :28:49. | |
support his words? He said today he wouldn't be | :28:50. | :28:51. | |
fundraising for her. Well, that is OK, we don't | :28:52. | :28:54. | |
need him to do fundraising. If he wants to help, | :28:55. | :28:57. | |
it would be great, but he sent a text to | :28:58. | :28:59. | |
everybody yesterday, he has told everybody, "Get in line, | :29:00. | :29:01. | |
this is the right thing to do, we got to stop Donald Trump, | :29:02. | :29:04. | |
we got to elect Hillary President." So, listen, this is hard, | :29:05. | :29:08. | |
they came in close. As I said, I did it for Hillary, | :29:09. | :29:11. | |
it is not easy, but this is the Democratic Party, | :29:12. | :29:14. | |
we like to have our issues and discuss them, but now is the | :29:15. | :29:16. | |
time, we move forward tonight. When we nominate her, and I'm proud, | :29:17. | :29:19. | |
I get to walk on stage and announce the first female | :29:20. | :29:23. | |
nominee in the history of the American political system, | :29:24. | :29:25. | |
I'm pretty fired up. And you know how hard | :29:26. | :29:28. | |
it is to sell her popularity around the country, why is that, | :29:29. | :29:32. | |
and what has to happen now? I think the most important thing | :29:33. | :29:35. | |
is we got to have a great convention, | :29:36. | :29:37. | |
I thought yesterday was great. We obviously have Bill Clinton | :29:38. | :29:39. | |
tonight, the President and Vice President tomorrow night, | :29:40. | :29:42. | |
and then of course Hillary's speech and Tim Kaine's speech | :29:43. | :29:45. | |
on Wednesday night. I think, once we finish | :29:46. | :29:47. | |
this convention, everybody is going to know | :29:48. | :29:49. | |
why we are running. what I thought was an embarrassment | :29:50. | :29:52. | |
last week... I'm the ultimate optimist, | :29:53. | :29:56. | |
but we had four days of tearing down America, America's | :29:57. | :29:59. | |
miserable, America's losing. We're not, we're the | :30:00. | :30:02. | |
greatest nation on earth. Can we be better? | :30:03. | :30:04. | |
You bet we can! But people want to be uplifted, | :30:05. | :30:06. | |
they won't hope. You got to compete on a global | :30:07. | :30:08. | |
basis, not be a bunch of negative whiners, | :30:09. | :30:11. | |
you want someone who is Do we have to see | :30:12. | :30:13. | |
a different Hillary coming out of this | :30:14. | :30:18. | |
convention, though? Does she need to be a different | :30:19. | :30:24. | |
person going forward? she is the same Hillary that I have | :30:25. | :30:27. | |
known for 36 years. You know, I talk about the times | :30:28. | :30:33. | |
on vacation with her, playing with my kids in the pool | :30:34. | :30:35. | |
I love Hillary Clinton, and you're going to see | :30:36. | :30:38. | |
the Hillary Clinton Compassionate, I know her soul, | :30:39. | :30:40. | |
she cares about people, she cares about children, | :30:41. | :30:43. | |
and that's who she is. And you've worked very closely, | :30:44. | :30:45. | |
of course, with Bill Clinton. Do you believe that he has been | :30:46. | :30:48. | |
a help or a hindrance in terms of bringing on | :30:49. | :30:51. | |
the women's vote? and I think tonight his speech | :30:52. | :30:53. | |
will be spectacular. He's been campaigning | :30:54. | :30:56. | |
all over the country, it's his wife who is going to be | :30:57. | :30:58. | |
the next president, But I remind you, when | :30:59. | :31:00. | |
Bill Clinton left office, he left with the second | :31:01. | :31:08. | |
highest approval, of any second-term president | :31:09. | :31:10. | |
in the history of America. Lots of jobs, things were great, | :31:11. | :31:13. | |
peace around the world. As I mentioned, Bill Clinton will be | :31:14. | :31:20. | |
speaking on the stage tonight. When I interviewed the former president | :31:21. | :31:25. | |
18 months ago, he confided to me that Hillary Clinton had supported | :31:26. | :31:29. | |
his political career the 26 years and now he's prepared to do the same | :31:30. | :31:34. | |
for her. Back to you. We will wait for the Clinton speech. | :31:35. | :31:38. | |
We are all used to getting letters from our banks advising us | :31:39. | :31:41. | |
of changes in terms and conditions, but in a new departure | :31:42. | :31:44. | |
almost a million NatWest business customers have received the news | :31:45. | :31:46. | |
that the bank may have to levy charges for deposits, | :31:47. | :31:48. | |
in other words, impose a negative rate of interest. | :31:49. | :31:51. | |
So why the warning, and what impact is it designed to have? | :31:52. | :31:54. | |
Here's our business editor, Helen Thomas. | :31:55. | :32:01. | |
Through the looking glass, Alice found that normal | :32:02. | :32:03. | |
was turned turned inside out, back to front and upside down. | :32:04. | :32:07. | |
Negative interest rates are confronting banks | :32:08. | :32:10. | |
with their own muddled, mixed-up version of reality. | :32:11. | :32:13. | |
We take it for granted - put your money in the bank, | :32:14. | :32:15. | |
and it will be kept safe for when you need it. | :32:16. | :32:18. | |
If you're lucky, you'll earn some interest | :32:19. | :32:20. | |
and get back a little more than you put in. | :32:21. | :32:25. | |
But in a world of negative rates, that isn't necessarily the case. | :32:26. | :32:29. | |
Banks might instead charge you for storing your money with them. | :32:30. | :32:35. | |
The UK hasn't entered Wonderland - the Bank of England's key interest | :32:36. | :32:38. | |
rate has been stuck at 0.5% for over seven years. | :32:39. | :32:41. | |
But with the central bank expected to cut rates further next month, | :32:42. | :32:44. | |
the weird and wonderful world of negative rates | :32:45. | :32:46. | |
Royal Bank of Scotland has given a glimpse | :32:47. | :32:54. | |
of this alternative financial reality. | :32:55. | :32:57. | |
This message was buried in a new set of terms and conditions | :32:58. | :33:00. | |
a warning that it could charge them interest on their account balances. | :33:01. | :33:05. | |
to impose negative rates on its customers. | :33:06. | :33:12. | |
But around the world, countries like Japan have already | :33:13. | :33:16. | |
cut interest rates into negative territory, and in the eurozone, | :33:17. | :33:21. | |
Denmark, Sweden or Switzerland, banks are effectively being charged | :33:22. | :33:25. | |
to keep their excess funds at the central bank. | :33:26. | :33:30. | |
The theory is that this gets banks interested in lending more | :33:31. | :33:33. | |
and pushes borrowing costs lower to help the economy. | :33:34. | :33:38. | |
Banks are wary of passing on the costs of negative rates | :33:39. | :33:43. | |
The first one is whether savers would need to save | :33:44. | :33:50. | |
just at the time when the economy needs spending instead of support. | :33:51. | :33:55. | |
And secondly, whether depositors start to lose a bit of confidence | :33:56. | :33:58. | |
in the banking system and actually take it out. | :33:59. | :34:00. | |
We've already seen, in Japan and Germany, | :34:01. | :34:02. | |
that the sale of safes have shot up, and what would that mean | :34:03. | :34:05. | |
to the confidence in the banking system if people started | :34:06. | :34:07. | |
to leave their money in safes rather than the bank? | :34:08. | :34:10. | |
Nervous savers aside, negative rates end up | :34:11. | :34:13. | |
squeezing banks' profits, and that could mean | :34:14. | :34:17. | |
less lending, not more - a bad outcome for the economy. | :34:18. | :34:21. | |
I think that negative rates could be a dangerous experiment. | :34:22. | :34:24. | |
We simply don't know how they work for any prolonged period of time. | :34:25. | :34:28. | |
One reason for them is to try to make the cost of funding cheaper, | :34:29. | :34:32. | |
but actually the examples of Sweden and Denmark | :34:33. | :34:34. | |
show that banks put up their prices to offset the negative rates, | :34:35. | :34:37. | |
the exact opposite of what policymakers want. | :34:38. | :34:41. | |
That is why Bank of England Governor Mark Carney has suggested | :34:42. | :34:44. | |
that negative rates could do more harm than good. | :34:45. | :34:48. | |
He warned the hit to bank profitability could, perversely, | :34:49. | :34:52. | |
reduce credit availability or even increase its overall price. | :34:53. | :34:55. | |
for ever more fantastical ways to boost economies. | :34:56. | :35:01. | |
Negative interest rates, however, may not be all that they appear. | :35:02. | :35:08. | |
Amongst the uncertainties of a post-Brexit Britain, | :35:09. | :35:12. | |
the future of scientific research is critical, | :35:13. | :35:14. | |
says one of the country's most senior scientists, | :35:15. | :35:18. | |
the president of the Royal Society, Sir Venki Ramakrishnan. | :35:19. | :35:21. | |
The Nobel Prize winner has told Newsnight that he wants | :35:22. | :35:24. | |
the government to underwrite research funding for scientists | :35:25. | :35:26. | |
who are applying for EU money right now. | :35:27. | :35:30. | |
He's also concerned that some of the best scientific talent here | :35:31. | :35:32. | |
following disillusionment among researchers after the vote. | :35:33. | :35:40. | |
When I interviewed him earlier, I began by asking him which | :35:41. | :35:44. | |
side of the EU referendum debate the scientific community fell on. | :35:45. | :35:46. | |
Science is fundamentally international in nature, | :35:47. | :35:51. | |
so I think science has always been dependent on the free flow | :35:52. | :35:55. | |
of people and ideas, and so we were passionately for the EU, | :35:56. | :35:59. | |
because anything that lowers the barrier to mobility | :36:00. | :36:01. | |
And I was of the opinion that the Government should simply | :36:02. | :36:09. | |
say that EU researchers who are already based in Britain | :36:10. | :36:13. | |
should simply be allowed to stay, without any sort of conditions. | :36:14. | :36:17. | |
And I thought this would be, you know, perfectly obvious, | :36:18. | :36:24. | |
and, you know, it would also force the EU's hand, because, you know, | :36:25. | :36:28. | |
I don't see what else they could do except to respond similarly. | :36:29. | :36:34. | |
What might be the impact of Brexit on future funding, | :36:35. | :36:37. | |
If we are perceived as an inward-looking country | :36:38. | :36:44. | |
that is not so welcoming to the outside world, | :36:45. | :36:48. | |
and that is the impression that some people have got, then | :36:49. | :36:50. | |
We are in a global market for talent, and we need to attract | :36:51. | :36:57. | |
On the other hand, if it's suggested that Brexit is a desire on the part | :36:58. | :37:04. | |
of the majority of the British to simply take control | :37:05. | :37:09. | |
over their laws, but not actually be against immigration as such, then, | :37:10. | :37:14. | |
you know, we have to look to see how we make immigration easy, | :37:15. | :37:19. | |
and we also have to make sure that we continue our collaborations | :37:20. | :37:22. | |
Are you already hearing doubts from people that believe they may | :37:23. | :37:32. | |
not get the European funding they need? | :37:33. | :37:35. | |
People are naturally worried about this, you know, | :37:36. | :37:38. | |
sudden loss of funding, which would be the sort of thing | :37:39. | :37:41. | |
that would make us much less competitive. | :37:42. | :37:43. | |
And I should say, it's not just the funding alone. | :37:44. | :37:46. | |
Most scientists would prefer that funding to be through the EU | :37:47. | :37:51. | |
so that we can be part of these EU networks and large-scale | :37:52. | :37:55. | |
collaborations, because that allows the UK to influence large-scale | :37:56. | :37:58. | |
Because we are one of the leaders in science in Europe, | :37:59. | :38:04. | |
and if we are isolated, then we won't be able | :38:05. | :38:06. | |
But given the strictures at the moment on the economy, | :38:07. | :38:10. | |
what are the chances of getting that money out of the Government? | :38:11. | :38:14. | |
If Britain wants to succeed on its own, outside the EU, it can | :38:15. | :38:20. | |
only do so by being an advanced innovation-based, knowledge-based | :38:21. | :38:24. | |
society, and so there really isn't any alternative to science funding, | :38:25. | :38:28. | |
and if you cut science funding when times are bad, | :38:29. | :38:31. | |
then it takes a very, very long time to restore science, | :38:32. | :38:35. | |
because scientists leave, and then it takes a decade to train | :38:36. | :38:38. | |
And so it is very bad value for money to cut science. | :38:39. | :38:43. | |
But wouldn't we just replace EU funding with global funding | :38:44. | :38:46. | |
that perhaps now we have not sought hard enough? | :38:47. | :38:50. | |
Over the last 20 or 30 years, because we were part of the EU, | :38:51. | :38:54. | |
we have built up connections, networks, collaborations | :38:55. | :38:57. | |
Now, to reproduce those sorts of things elsewhere, first of all, | :38:58. | :39:05. | |
the structures have to exist for those sorts of funding, | :39:06. | :39:10. | |
and secondly, you know, would have to build up networks, | :39:11. | :39:12. | |
Did the scientists not shout loud enough during the campaign? | :39:13. | :39:17. | |
I think a lot of scientists did shout out loud enough, | :39:18. | :39:21. | |
but I don't think this referendum was decided based on | :39:22. | :39:23. | |
In fact, I would venture to guess that it made absolutely no | :39:24. | :39:27. | |
difference to the people who voted to leave. | :39:28. | :39:34. | |
They were concerned more about things like immigration, | :39:35. | :39:35. | |
The question we have to ask is, why did we not, | :39:36. | :39:44. | |
over three generations, or at least two generations, | :39:45. | :39:48. | |
inculcate in, you know, our population a feeling | :39:49. | :39:51. | |
that we are actually all European and not... | :39:52. | :39:56. | |
I mean, we are perfectly willing to accept that we are both English | :39:57. | :39:59. | |
and British, but, you know, when it comes to the next step, | :40:00. | :40:02. | |
English, British and European, you know, many of us | :40:03. | :40:05. | |
And I think that is really, to me, as someone who is a relative | :40:06. | :40:14. | |
outsider, who came here 16 years ago, that is something | :40:15. | :40:16. | |
You may remember USA Freedom Kids, the adorable pro-Trump | :40:17. | :40:28. | |
cheerleading group that charmed the world back in January | :40:29. | :40:30. | |
group that charmed the world back in January with their | :40:31. | :40:32. | |
Now, rather less charmingly, their manager, Mike Popick, | :40:33. | :40:35. | |
is planning to sue Team Trump for not paying him. | :40:36. | :40:42. | |
Anyway, we thought it was all a great excuse | :40:43. | :41:05. | |
If you woke up to sunshine this morning there's a good | :41:06. | :41:06. |