25/07/2016 Newsnight


James O'Brien interviews Labour leadership challenger Owen Smith live and Emily Maitlis is at the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia.

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Owen Smith wants to save the Labour Party from Jeremy Corbyn.


Does he now have any chance of succeeding?


As one of the women who resigned her place


in the Shadow Cabinet unresigns, what can the challenger do


Emily travels to the Democrat convention in Philidelphia,


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around and be at, when all the businesses were here and the steel


mill was up and people were thriving.


At the convention itself, Bernie sanders' supporters aren't happy.


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Newsnight has learnt that Government guarantees,


supposed to underwrite London's latest project, are in


A month ago, by his own admission, you probably hadn't heard


Indeed, he was barely a household name in his own household.


Tonight, he lays out the credentials and the policies he believes


will see him successfully challenge Jeremy Corbyn for the leadership


Before that, though, Newsnight's political editor,


Nick Watt, joins me to discuss the scale of that challenge


and the wider travails of the Labour Party.


And the challenge just got a bit bigger, Nick.


The verb "to unresign" might not be in the dictionary,


It is indeed. We think of you as an erudite person. The curious


spectacle of Sarah Champion resigning and unresigning. She wrote


to Jeremy Corbyn saying she would like her job back, thank you very


much. A pointed response from Jeremy Corbyn, a source in his office told


the BBC that this was like the miners strike, when the first miners


went back to work and we'll see where it goes from there. As I


understand it, that is signalling that when Parliament comes back in


September, you may well see a few more of not these ex-Shadow Cabinet,


but middle and lower ranking former Shadow ministers saying they want to


come back. The coup was a failure. They were sold a pup and now it's


time to knuckle down otherwise the SNP will end up as the main


Opposition at Westminster. What does the broader picture mean for both


contowarders, for Mr Smith and Jeremy Corbyn. He's had a difficult


few days. It's got to be good news for him, because somebody who


thought he was no good says it's right to be back in his team.


Eyebrows are being raised Al-Attiyah comparison with the miners strike.


That's a provocative thing to say, some people are saying. For Owen


Smith, at one level it's not very good. He's the beneficiary this


afternoon coup, and Sarah Champion is now saying, perhaps I should be


back on board working for the person that Owen Smith wants to replace.


But I think Owen Smith can distance himself from this. This decision was


made ten days ago. It was held back to allow Sarah Champion to lead a


backbench debate about online child abuse and crucially, Sarah Champion


was among a number of Shadow ministers whose offices were


carrying on supporting their Shadow teams, the sort of work we don't see


behind-the-scenes. Nick, thank you. We'll see more of you later.


So we'll hear from Owen in just a moment, but before then,


a little reminder about his journey to the leadership contest.


I won't be entering a contest against Jeremy Corbyn or anybody


else. So proud to be addressing you,


launching my bid to be the next leader of the Labour Party, and more


importantly than, that the next Labour Prime Minister of this


country. I would serve you with great humility and respect, you'd be


a good leader of this party. I think I could also be a good leader of


this party. I'm with drawing from this race and supporting Owen. He


dialled 999 to get a quote from the police. Instead of the police


themselves or the press office. And they then complained about you, what


does it say about your judgment? We all do daft things when we're young.


The country has to say, we can imagine these people running this


country and do so better than the Conservatives. Tags the task I'm


setting myself and everybody in Labour and I expect us to achieve


it. Owen Smith joins me now. Let's begin with today's local difficulty.


This was your ace in the hole, the desertion of ministers from Jeremy


Corbyn and the vote of no confidence from the Parliamentary Labour Party.


Sarah Champion's actions suggest a crack in the facade. Sarah's a


friend Ayrad great MP. To be honest, we've gone beyond MPs now. The MPs


are rather irrelevant other than Jeremy and myself in standing to


contest the leadership. It's the members who count now. Sarah's vote


is one amongst 500,000 members of the Labour Party. She'll get to cast


that vote. She has to decide whether she's going to vote for me or Jeremy


or whether she serves in the couple of weeks when Parliament comes back


is neither here nor there. That's not quite right, is it? It must have


been a huge part of your decision to stand that the Parliamentary Labour


Party was pretty much voting, over 70%, no confidence in the leader and


these ministers, both Cabinet level and junior, were deserting in their


droves. This is, even if unresign isn't a word, this is the opposite


of desertion, one of the foundations of your leadership bid is shaking.


Well, no I don't think it is. The truth is that the reason I stood was


in order to try and unite the Labour Party. We had a massive crisis of


confidence in the Parliamentary Labour Party in Jeremy. The job of


the leader of the Labour Party is to lead a united Opposition at


Westminster or to lead a Government at Westminster. He couldn't do that.


Most of those MPs now have nominated me, overwhelmly, to challenge


Jeremy. Sarah deciding to go back in is a minor part of this story. Why


do you think she's done it? I think a lot of people will feel that they


want to fight the Tories. A lot of people will legitimately feel as I


do, that we've given them too easy a ride. Perhaps she feels she can do


that better on the frontbench. You're on holiday for the next few


weeks. That's the point I was going to make. In reality, there are only


two weeks in September and the ballots will have long since gone


out by then. We're right in the last knockings of the leadership contest.


In reality, Sarah going back in isn't really much of a story either


way. When does it become a story? If other people follow? If 150 members


of the Labour Party decide they all want to rediscover... I'm thinking


more three or four, of a similar level, junior ministers,


unresignations? I suspect that too won't make any difference


whatsoever. We are still in this position where there is a crisis.


And the Labour Party is disunited. One or two MPs decided to go back.


Doesn't really change those basic facts. I think it's now for me and


Jeremy to lay out our stall to explain what it is we think we


should be doing in Opposition, what we might do in Government. I'm glad


you said that, that is after all what we're here for. Before we lay


out that stall. I wonder if Sarah Champion has responded to the siren


call of John McDonnell on television, did you see that strange


interlude when he spoke down the camera. You saw that, what do you


think he was dog? I think he was trying to say, as I've been saying,


that we need to - Hang on a minute, let's remind people who perhaps


missed it, exactly what happened on the Andrew Marr Show on Sunday. Let


me just say this, to Labour Party supporters, Labour members, members


of the Parliamentary Labour Party, we've got to stop this now. There's


a small group out there that are willing to destroy our party just to


remove Jeremy Corbyn. We've got to stop them. We're on camera six,


Owen. I don't know if you want to direct your response to that


straight down the barrel of the camera lens as well, but tell us,


either to the camera or to me, what you think Mr McDonnell was doing


this? I'll tell you seeing I think it would look slightly peculiar, as


it did with John to speak down the lens - John can say that if he


wants. I went in on that Monday after lots of colleagues had


resigned, I went in with five colleagues in order to say, we're


not intending to resign, but we want to hear Jeremy, what you're going to


do to save the Labour Party. How are you going to compromise in order to


bring us together? John McDonnell pushed into that meeting, not having


been invited. I put it to John directly that I feared he was part


of the small group of people on the far left of the Labour Party who


were prepared to see the party split in order to protect his project. His


answer to that was to shrug his shoulders and say, "If that's what


it takes." That is why I left. That is why I resigned from the


frontbench. Ultimately, that's why I'm standing. I do think there is a


very real danger that the party will split if Jeremy doesn't move over,


that the party will be destroyed. The Tories and other forces on the


right of British politics will fill the gap that Labour leaves. That


will be a disaster, because we have been the greatest force for social


good for 116 years in this country. It would be a tragedy if we were


wiped out. Parties can be wiped out. It takes a long time for parties to


rise, but they can be snuffed out just like that. That is what I fear


could happen to Labour. Let's look, then, at your stall, your manifesto,


if you will, particularly looking for clear blue water between you and


Jeremy Corbyn. If we started with defence. Would you, as a Prime


Minister, be spending more or less than the current GDP percentage on


the defence budget? We should be spending 2%. We should be renewing


Trident. Security of the British people has always got to be the


first order of business for any Government, Labour or Tory. We've


got to be serious about that. One of the weakness that's we've had


recently is that people worry that Labour isn't serious about security,


that it's a lesser issue for Jeremy, as it were. I'm not sure that is


right, but he's got a different perspective on some of those things,


on patriotism, if you like, on security and defence, I think I've


got a more traditional Labour perspective on that, an old


fashioned Labour perspective, that's a big difference between us. What do


you mean by a different position on patriotism? I don't think Jeremy


really understand, sometimes, the way in which people have a strong,


perhaps socially conservative, with a small C, sense of place, sense of


where they're from. I'm not sure I've heard him talking much about


Scotland, an identity, Wales and identity or indeed England and


identity. I suspect Jeremy has a more pet row poll tan sense of that.


That's not what I think is central to the Labour tradition. Are you


calling him unpatriotic? I'm saying I don't think it's core to his set


of beliefs. I think he's got a set of liberal per specktives and left


per specktives on things and nationhood and nationalism and


patriotism aren't really part of his make up. Staying with Trident, you


mention old Labour values, I think Tony Benn said, in reference to the


nuclear deterrent, that we had the best protected homeless people in


the world. It's the membership of the party who support Jeremy Corbyn,


they're sceptical about Trident. Aren't you supposed to win them


over? Yeah, but I've got to be honest about what I feel. I'm


someone who used to believe that getting rid of all our nuclear


weapons unilaterally was right. Now I feel the world has become an even


more unpredictable, volatile place. You said a moment ago, before we


went on air, it's the first time you've been presenting for a while


now without some awful news being broadcast. It does feel, to lots of


us, that every day there is a new, extraordinary piece of news around


the world. That doesn't feel like, to me, a moment when we should be


divesting... When did you change your mind? In my mid-20s, when I was


a teenager, I was a member of CND and believed in unilateralism. In my


mid-20s, I started to see there was a real case for hanging on to our


weapons and Labour's traditional position of multilateral disarmament


using ours as a bargaining chip to get other countries to get rid of


theirs too. Treeza May was asked whether she was prepared to hit the


nuclear button, would you be prepared to press the button? I've


been asked that question a couple of times and I've said yes. If you've


got a nuclear deterrent, you have to be prepared to use it. It's a


terrible, terrible necessity. Obviously, one would hope that you'd


never get anywhere near that and truthfully, I don't think we ever


would get anywhere near it. The point is you have to be prepared to


do it in order for it to be effective. Let's move on to health.


This is obviously an area in which you've worked. There's been some


controversy recently. In the context of health, is there room for more,


you've called it choice in the past or private sector involvement in the


NHS as it currently stands? Truthfully, no. My view - Changed


your mind about this as well then? No. There was one press release that


was written by the company that I worked for back in 2005, about a


report that kaz commissioned not by me but my predecessor. That's been


spun into a suggestion that I'm in favour of privatisation in the NHS.


The truth is I'm incredibly proud of the NHS, Labour's greatest creation.


100%, publicly owned, free at the point of view NHS should be our


position. More than that, we opened the door to the Tories taking our


language, that language of choice that was the Labour Party's language


in the mid-2000s and using it as a Trojan horse for what they want to


do, which is to marketise the NHS piece by piece. I fought the NHS


Bill that has privatised parts of the NHS, line-by-line, on the


frontbench as the junior spokesperson for Labour. I


fundamentally believe we should get back to a period where we have a


clear sense of what our public goods, public services and we should


be very clear that public service ethos is undermind by allowing it to


be diluted. I think we made mistakes in not realising that you - You'd


row back on this? This is private sector provision in the NHS as it


stands that you seek to reduce? I would. I think we need to be clear


that Labour should understand what collective ownership of public


goods, what the value of that is. It's one of the very few things, if


you like, the NHS, that exemplifies socialism in practice. It's the


greatest institution in Britain that illustrates what we're all about in


Labour - pooling our risks, sharing our rewards, having a service that


is universal and used by everyone paid out of everybody's taxes. It's


the essence of labourism. Labourism? What would we be looking at?


What sort of areas could be reduced or removed? Very bluntly, we should


always think about public services being held in public hands. For


example the commissioning practice, lots of it is now done by private


sector providers and that's a real mistake, it allows profit and cost


to become the principal driver of services and not clinical decisions


or need. Introducing the profit motive to the NHS, like in other


areas of public service, both dilutes the sense of public


connection to it and undermines the essence of what Labour is all about.


Beyond that overview, the principled overview, what would the detailed


look like? Commissioning. That is one area but there would be a limit?


You would put a limit on it? We had a cap with the last Labour


government but that is a mistake, we should simply say, we should go


further, we want public services to be provided in the public sector by


public servants, that should be the overriding objective of Labour


because as I say, we do not want to risk those things being subverted or


the underpinning ethos, the ideological purpose of them from a


Labour perspective being eroded. You would grow the state in this


context? I think we do need to get much bolder about what the role of


the state is and I will be doing a couple of big speeches in the coming


weeks spelling out what I think we got wrong as new Labour,... Give me


a preview. I have just given you one about the NHS, but I will talk about


taxation, I will talk about the way in which we expand public services,


and allow public services to be properly resort. I will talk about


funding across the UK, rights at work and the way in which we protect


individuals at work through collective means of arguing for


better pay and conditions and I've already outlined we should


reintroduce sector wage councils as an extra ball work for workers


especially women in low-paid sectors. We must move on to the I


word coming immigration. Are there too many immigrants in Britain? The


way in which we saw a rapid influx of particular Eastern Europe and


migrants after the accession of those countries to Europe definitely


caused downward pressure on wages, definitely caused changes to local


terms and conditions for some workers in some sectors. We have to


acknowledge that and there are ways to mitigate that with public service


resources and extra money for doctors and school places. My wife


is a schoolteacher and we have had significant numbers into South Wales


of people fleeing the Middle East. That is something that we as a


government at the centre should be acknowledging in extra funding for


those areas. Today you have criticised Theresa May's decision to


do away with refugees minister. That is an extraordinary decision. Would


you not be in the business of numbers regarding refugees in


particular and immigration in general? With refugees absolutely


not, we should be honouring the great British tradition of being a


place of sanctuary for people fleeing persecution, across the


world. We have all seen these terrible pictures over the last few


summers, we are in the foothills, I think, James, of a global shift of


populations and in the foothills of the debate about that, about Howie


Roseman on. Our country and other European countries. This debate will


change a lot over the coming years. To be clear, it was in the manifesto


where you won your seat, to have a migrant impact fund. Ed Miliband had


that in place. It is still a good idea. The migrant fund not


withstanding, if there were a surge in the number of people coming to


Britain to work you would be comfortable if the resources were in


place? We should be honest about it because part of the way the service


and retail sectors, part of the way that is bounced back a bit after the


recession, although it is looking parlous again now, has been because


we have had an influx of effectively cheap Labour. Should we want that?


It has some economic advantages, no doubt, but what is it doing to


squeeze people out of jobs who are living in this country already? All


of these things, we have to be much more honest and upfront with the


British public about the scale of the challenges we face. If the


overall number goes up you would be comfortable with that if all of


these are the conditions were in place? The Tories have illustrated


perfectly what a boneheaded way it is to go about making policies to


set targets that you know you can't meet. Cameron Phelps completely but


Theresa May is frankly making a gross mistake in getting rid of a


specific refugees minister, that is a really bad thing. Equally


reintroducing detention for child refugees as they are effectively


dead last week, what an appalling thing that is to do. You referred


obliquely to the referendum result and most people now accept there is


a relatively binary choice regarding freedom of movement and access to


the single market, if we continue to do business as usual with the


European Union, it would probably involve freedom of movement staying


in place and everyone restrictions on freedom of movement we will have


to do less trade. We have to be much tougher and more vigorous in


rejecting the notion that it's a binary choice, because the message


we were sent with the referendum was fairly simple, it was one that


people wanted to retain the benefits of trading within Europe and two,


retaining constraints about laws being passed in Europe and on


immigration. We can choose to do what the Tories are doing which is


to say, there we go, that's that. Hard Brexit. I will be fighting much


harder to talk to all of the European parties in power and out of


power about how the debate is evolving because if Germany and


France and Spain, they have exactly the same discussions. -- in Germany.


You are rejecting this tension between freedom of movement and free


trade? I am rejecting the fact it is a binary choice, that is a false


choice and we should not be lying down and simply saying, these are


the terms of the debate, we accept it. That is the worst thing we could


possibly do. I am clear we should negotiate much harder, our leaders


should demand a seat at those tables, we represent nine or 10


million people who vote Labour in this country, Labour has a mandate


to debate these things. Most Labour voters voted to stay in. You


mentioned the mandate, Mr Corbyn's mandate is huge. He keeps telling me


that. He keeps telling everyone because it is true. 50% of members


voted for him, he goes on about how overwhelming it was but of members


only just over 50% voted for him. 378,000 of them right now, I will


talk to as many of those members as I can about what I believe in


witches essentially that Britain is becoming an incredibly unequal place


where people don't feel they get a fair crack of the web, where people


do feel angry and frustrated that we've had a sense of loss and


decline in this country for individuals and communities for a


long time, but it's not enough to just moan about it, you have to put


on the table what you will do to change. If you win will there be a


job for him? For Jeremy Corbyn? Absolutely. He does not want to be


president. I said President or chairman. There are many ways...


Does he have the confidence to have any brief? -- competence. I would


absolutely welcome him to the Shadow Cabinet, he should be thanked for


having helped Labour to rediscover a bit of radicalism, but we need to go


beyond just slogans, bit of hard solutions, we have to be practical,


we are practical socialists in the Labour Party, not just debaters.


Thank you very much indeed, Owen Smith.


Construction hasn't even begun on London's


In fact, there's still no agreement on where precisely on the North bank


of the Thames the bridge will begin or end, I suppose,


It was championed by Boris Johnson and even designed by his favourite


architect, known for those snazzy new route master buses.


His successor, Sadiq Khan, seems considerably less enthusiastic,


and support for the project elsewhere at City Hall


It was all supposed to start this summer but has just been pushed


back to at least the Autumn, prompting Nick Watt


to wonder whether it will ever be built at all.


To its fans, the Garden Bridge would show the world that London is a


world-class city with a spectacular place


for contemplation across the


If Manhattan can have the High Line, why can't London have


To its detractors the bridge is a vanity project,


reminiscent of, yes, the Millennium Dome.


The bridge has had significant ambassadors, Boris Johnson as London


mayor championed the project and the London-born George Osborne


thought it would showcase the best of


British design and attract visitors from across the globe.


Of course Joanna Lumley, who has known Boris


Johnson since she was four, dreamt up the project


It is the juxtaposition of something strange,


gardens in strange places, that is paradise for me.


The bridge now feels unloved in Whitehall and at


London City Hall after the sacking of George Osborne, and the departure


Sadiq Khan, the new London mayor, was a reluctant convert and was


recently given a taste of opposition to the project.


Do I cancel it and waste ?40 million or


The future of the bridge could be decided this week when the


Transport Secretary Chris Grayling decides whether to extend a ?15


million government guarantee until September next year.


A no would spell real danger for the Garden


My understanding is that they have spent ?38 million already.


And bearing in mind they haven't got a


To put that into context, the Millennium Bridge,


including fixing the wobble, cost around 25 million.


We could have effectively built a bridge and a


half with the money they have spent just on planning and preliminaries.


No doubt ministers have thought through the consequences of crossing


Joanna Lumley is no slouch when it comes to


So, Nick, what have you learned today?


Well, we are reaching a decisive moment for the Garden Bridge, with


that decision I was mentioning by Chris Grayling, whether to extend


?15 million government underwriting of the project until September next


year. We are told he is looking at all of the options with an open mind


but I sense he will have two big thoughts. With the challenge on


public finances at the moment is it right to press ahead? One source


said to me, we need bridges people can cross, not that you close for


parties. The second thought is the fear about ongoing liabilities, the


government could pony up the money and find that the bridge actually


never happens and it feels to me that this bridge really now has few


friends in Whitehall after the sacking of George Osborne. One


person said that the only wholehearted supporter of the bridge


in the Cabinet is Boris Johnson and his mind is on other things. Don't


forget about Sadiq Khan, the numerical London, a late convert to


the bridge, who has been saying there can be no more public money


from London. He has his mind on bridges to the east of Tower Bridge


because that is about economic regeneration. You have heard from


the Garden Bridge asked? Hannah Barnes has heard from the trust and


it does not sound as though they are wholly confident it is going their


way, a bit late in the day but they have sought a meeting with Chris


Grayling and hope the government will continue to support the


project. Crucially the trust have told us tonight that only the


government can underwrite the project, and they say that is not a


job for the private sector, so it is a note from Chris Grayling, and if


it is, that 15 million has to be provided this week because they have


to file it in their accounts. Troubled waters. Bridge over...


Thank you a much indeed. Even a House of Cards script


editor would have balked at the implausibility of this


American election plot twist: Russian hackers,


apparently backed by the Kremlin, were behind the leaking


of confidential e-mails exchanged by senior Democrats,


showing that they wanted Hilary Clinton, not Bernie Sanders,


to win the nomination. And in case, that weren't juicy


enough, Sanders supporters today booed their man's suggestion


that they should vote Hardly the ideal backdrop


to the first day of their convention On the plus side, though,


Emily Maitlis is there. Thanks, James. Good evening from


Philadelphia, where the democratic national convention has opened


amidst the back drop of drama, accusations, conspiracy and now


apology. The party chairman has resigned, following leaked e-mails


which seemed to suggest she was behind a plot to back Hillary


Clinton over Bernie Sanders, for the nomination, something which goes


against party rules. Donald Trump has used this occasion to call


Hilary, corrupt. His nickname for her is "crooked Hilary". The Clinton


campaign has blamed Russia for the leaked e-mails. They say Putin did


this and timed it to help Trump. The party itself has offered a deep and


sincere apology to Bernie Sanders' supporters. Make no mistake, they


are angry. What kind a problem will they have with Hillary Clinton now,


at a time when she so desperately needs to unify the party? And are


any of them open to an offer from Trump? We took a road trum to find


out. -- trip to find out.


The journey from Cleveland to Pennsylvania is a good


ten hours of open road, we will pass golden farmland


and abandoned steel towns, rolling hills and deserted wasteland.


These, though, are the craved electro battle grounds


-- electoral battlegrounds of the 2016 election.


Our first stop is the village of Volant - home to many Amish.


They live are very different lifestyle to most Americans,


Buggies instead of cars, no electricity, bails of hay


There are people who have managed by and large to stay


immune to America's fee brow political atmosphere.


Yet their self-sufficiency, working the land, producing


all that they eat, wear and use can seem rather appealing to a nation


that keeps being told it is no longer great.


There's is a lifestyle that predates globalisation,


-- theirs is a lifestyle that predates globalisation, a curious


blueprint for the many Americans who now feel left behind


by the speed of change, who feel that too many products


are now being made overseas, or that the link between worker


and product is now irreparably broken.


Americans like those who live here, a town that could once boast


Concerns about globalisation, voiced in the States


by Trump and Sanders, or in the UK over Brexit


are often traced back to the financial crash of 2008,


but of course their roots were down decades ago when all of the heavy


My mum and my grandma tell me a lot about it.


The town was a nice place to hang around and be in, when all


of the businesses were here and the steel mill was up


Let's hope we can get it back to where it is.


I asked Bill Bird which way he thinks he'll vote in November.


I dislike Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump is a joke.


Pretty much, I would not say I hate them but I strongly dislike them.


Pennsylvania hasn't voted for a Republican presidential


candidate since 1988, but there are counties in the state


that are getting redder, and here's why, the JNL Steel


complex that used to employ 10,000 people in this rust belt town


of Aliquippa has gone for good, and nothing, nothing


The protectionist policies of the 1960s are gone,


the workers blame globalisation, there might once have chosen


Bernie Sanders, and they are the challenge


This was downtown Aliquippa in its heyday, buzzing


Now that same road barely functions, we see no one


This used to be a dress shop and my mom worked


Except this one, a cafe that doubles as a church community


Sam worked in the steel mills for 12 years until he was laid off


and he found a new job but then lost it last year.


Has it been hard to find more work here?


I'm not sure, sometimes you try and look hard and make it happen


and sometimes you just slack off and don't worry about it.


The cafe is run by Evangelist Herb Bailey.


He believes blaming globalisation is wrong.


We are not players in a global market like we could be.


We don't need to bring industry back that was lost,


There are great innovations that could be done using the same


physical labour and the same intellect that captured


the imagination of the rest of the world.


Sandra Gul runs the Dreamers Project from this cafe, inspiring the young


They don't want to be the norm of having kids,


hanging out on the corners, everyone is doing positive things.


You are going to vote in November, are you?


She was in the background when her husband was


Clinton polls well with black Americans and college


graduates but when it comes to the white working class,


Trump is leading her by an astonishing 40%.


Bernie Sanders might have brought many of them in but the e-mail


leaks allow them to voice what many had long feared,


her nomination was a party stitch-up.


In other words, it's no longer Bernie's problem, it's Hillary's.


If the shrinking industrial heartland and all of this bucolic


battle ground in between doesn't feel she played fair there may


Ben Smith the editor in chief of Buzzfeed joins me now. He's just put


away his BlackBerry. In terms of how much damage this has done Hillary


Clinton's campaign, as she opens the convention, what's your sense? This


certainly isn't what they were going for. They wanted a harmonious


contrast to the Republican Convention last week. This is not


that. This is a lot more, there's openly expressed conflict here than


in Cleveland. Terms of the protests on the streets, Bernie supporters


saying, "Anyone but Hilary now" Or they'll stay home. Do you think


they'll withdraw their vote or could they put it towards a Republican


ticket? I think probably electorally this is overstated. There's really


no suggestion that Bernie supporters in any kind of numbers will vote for


Donald Trump. There's a worry that young voters will stay home and


there's a worry that the activists in this room will derail Clinton's


stage show a little bit. What does she have to do now? What is the most


important message? We've heard from Bernie Sanders asking for, what was


the phrase, to be gracious in the hall towards his opponent. I think


she would like to use the convention to talk to swing voters, to talk to


people in the middle, in the suburbs, college-educated women


thinking about Donald Trump. She does not want to use this convention


to talk to Bernie Sanders' supporters. She wants to take them


for granted. They're saying to them, look, get in line, whatever your


problems are with Hilary, you should be terrified of Donald Trump. One of


the statistics in the film was the huge gap for the white working class


where Donald Trump has a 40% lead over Hillary Clinton. What does she


have to do to close the gap? Republicans have for decades, since


Reagan, had working class voters. Bernie Sanders looked like he's a


product of the white working class, but his supporters are young and


diverse. They're the traditional American new left. So I think for


Hillary Clinton, college educated white people are the ones who moved


towards Donald Trump in the last couple of days and are the reason


he's up in the polls. Those are the people she's trying to get back.


What was very evident at the RNC in Cleveland was just what a strong


presence unwittingly Hillary Clinton was there. All the banners were


aimed at her, all the chanting aimed at her. I think if Donald Trump is


present here, it has the opposite effect. He wants to be part of this


convention. I think at a convention where you see a lot more people


holding Bernie signs. The party is united around her but with no great


passion for her, the way some people love Donald Trump. They are hoping


that Trump will be able to motivate voters that Hillary Clinton can't.


That is going to be essential, in a sense, Hilary has a marketing


problem. She's not new or novel. People know what they've got. She's


got a safe VP choice S she just going to play this safe? Or does she


have to do something dramatic and exciting? Until about today, and


probably still, the Clinton campaign plan still thinks he can't win. Like


in football, when you're up 2-1 with 15 minutes left, that's the game


she's playing. The latest goals are making people in the building quite


nervous. Maybe you can't just run out the clock on him. Great of you


to join us here on Newsnight. It's worth saying that the party


chairwoman was going to kick off events here and was going to speak.


There was so much protest after the leaked e-mails she has pulled out.


We will hear from Bernie Sanders later this evening. His slot has


been moved even later. He becomes, as it were, the prime-time guest.


There's a lot riding on this. He has to speak to his supporters but also


speak to them and tell them to unify the party and get behind his former


owe pon ept, Hillary Clinton. -- opponent. Hillary Clinton.


Everyone over 70 should look away now, or have the illusions


We leave you with the work of Marni Nixon, the most famous


In the 1950s and 60s she worked behind the scenes in Hollywood


providing the vocals for some "quite well known actors".


# Getting to know all about you


# I could have danced all night # I could have danced all night


# And still have begged for more


# I feel pretty, oh so pretty, but I feel


Hello there. Last week's heat a fading memory. The weather getting


back to normal now with westerly winds bringing normal temperatures


and some sunshine, some


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