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Owen Smith wants to save the Labour Party from Jeremy Corbyn.
Does he now have any chance of succeeding?
As one of the women who resigned her place
in the Shadow Cabinet unresigns, what can the challenger do
Emily travels to the Democrat convention in Philidelphia,
sounding out the anger of the American rust belt
I dislike Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump is... He's a joke. My mum and
my grandma tell me about back when the town was a nice place to hang
around and be at, when all the businesses were here and the steel
mill was up and people were thriving.
At the convention itself, Bernie sanders' supporters aren't happy.
We've got to elect Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine. BOO
Newsnight has learnt that Government guarantees,
supposed to underwrite London's latest project, are in
A month ago, by his own admission, you probably hadn't heard
Indeed, he was barely a household name in his own household.
Tonight, he lays out the credentials and the policies he believes
will see him successfully challenge Jeremy Corbyn for the leadership
Before that, though, Newsnight's political editor,
Nick Watt, joins me to discuss the scale of that challenge
and the wider travails of the Labour Party.
And the challenge just got a bit bigger, Nick.
The verb "to unresign" might not be in the dictionary,
It is indeed. We think of you as an erudite person. The curious
spectacle of Sarah Champion resigning and unresigning. She wrote
to Jeremy Corbyn saying she would like her job back, thank you very
much. A pointed response from Jeremy Corbyn, a source in his office told
the BBC that this was like the miners strike, when the first miners
went back to work and we'll see where it goes from there. As I
understand it, that is signalling that when Parliament comes back in
September, you may well see a few more of not these ex-Shadow Cabinet,
but middle and lower ranking former Shadow ministers saying they want to
come back. The coup was a failure. They were sold a pup and now it's
time to knuckle down otherwise the SNP will end up as the main
Opposition at Westminster. What does the broader picture mean for both
contowarders, for Mr Smith and Jeremy Corbyn. He's had a difficult
few days. It's got to be good news for him, because somebody who
thought he was no good says it's right to be back in his team.
Eyebrows are being raised Al-Attiyah comparison with the miners strike.
That's a provocative thing to say, some people are saying. For Owen
Smith, at one level it's not very good. He's the beneficiary this
afternoon coup, and Sarah Champion is now saying, perhaps I should be
back on board working for the person that Owen Smith wants to replace.
But I think Owen Smith can distance himself from this. This decision was
made ten days ago. It was held back to allow Sarah Champion to lead a
backbench debate about online child abuse and crucially, Sarah Champion
was among a number of Shadow ministers whose offices were
carrying on supporting their Shadow teams, the sort of work we don't see
behind-the-scenes. Nick, thank you. We'll see more of you later.
So we'll hear from Owen in just a moment, but before then,
a little reminder about his journey to the leadership contest.
I won't be entering a contest against Jeremy Corbyn or anybody
else. So proud to be addressing you,
launching my bid to be the next leader of the Labour Party, and more
importantly than, that the next Labour Prime Minister of this
country. I would serve you with great humility and respect, you'd be
a good leader of this party. I think I could also be a good leader of
this party. I'm with drawing from this race and supporting Owen. He
dialled 999 to get a quote from the police. Instead of the police
themselves or the press office. And they then complained about you, what
does it say about your judgment? We all do daft things when we're young.
The country has to say, we can imagine these people running this
country and do so better than the Conservatives. Tags the task I'm
setting myself and everybody in Labour and I expect us to achieve
it. Owen Smith joins me now. Let's begin with today's local difficulty.
This was your ace in the hole, the desertion of ministers from Jeremy
Corbyn and the vote of no confidence from the Parliamentary Labour Party.
Sarah Champion's actions suggest a crack in the facade. Sarah's a
friend Ayrad great MP. To be honest, we've gone beyond MPs now. The MPs
are rather irrelevant other than Jeremy and myself in standing to
contest the leadership. It's the members who count now. Sarah's vote
is one amongst 500,000 members of the Labour Party. She'll get to cast
that vote. She has to decide whether she's going to vote for me or Jeremy
or whether she serves in the couple of weeks when Parliament comes back
is neither here nor there. That's not quite right, is it? It must have
been a huge part of your decision to stand that the Parliamentary Labour
Party was pretty much voting, over 70%, no confidence in the leader and
these ministers, both Cabinet level and junior, were deserting in their
droves. This is, even if unresign isn't a word, this is the opposite
of desertion, one of the foundations of your leadership bid is shaking.
Well, no I don't think it is. The truth is that the reason I stood was
in order to try and unite the Labour Party. We had a massive crisis of
confidence in the Parliamentary Labour Party in Jeremy. The job of
the leader of the Labour Party is to lead a united Opposition at
Westminster or to lead a Government at Westminster. He couldn't do that.
Most of those MPs now have nominated me, overwhelmly, to challenge
Jeremy. Sarah deciding to go back in is a minor part of this story. Why
do you think she's done it? I think a lot of people will feel that they
want to fight the Tories. A lot of people will legitimately feel as I
do, that we've given them too easy a ride. Perhaps she feels she can do
that better on the frontbench. You're on holiday for the next few
weeks. That's the point I was going to make. In reality, there are only
two weeks in September and the ballots will have long since gone
out by then. We're right in the last knockings of the leadership contest.
In reality, Sarah going back in isn't really much of a story either
way. When does it become a story? If other people follow? If 150 members
of the Labour Party decide they all want to rediscover... I'm thinking
more three or four, of a similar level, junior ministers,
unresignations? I suspect that too won't make any difference
whatsoever. We are still in this position where there is a crisis.
And the Labour Party is disunited. One or two MPs decided to go back.
Doesn't really change those basic facts. I think it's now for me and
Jeremy to lay out our stall to explain what it is we think we
should be doing in Opposition, what we might do in Government. I'm glad
you said that, that is after all what we're here for. Before we lay
out that stall. I wonder if Sarah Champion has responded to the siren
call of John McDonnell on television, did you see that strange
interlude when he spoke down the camera. You saw that, what do you
think he was dog? I think he was trying to say, as I've been saying,
that we need to - Hang on a minute, let's remind people who perhaps
missed it, exactly what happened on the Andrew Marr Show on Sunday. Let
me just say this, to Labour Party supporters, Labour members, members
of the Parliamentary Labour Party, we've got to stop this now. There's
a small group out there that are willing to destroy our party just to
remove Jeremy Corbyn. We've got to stop them. We're on camera six,
Owen. I don't know if you want to direct your response to that
straight down the barrel of the camera lens as well, but tell us,
either to the camera or to me, what you think Mr McDonnell was doing
this? I'll tell you seeing I think it would look slightly peculiar, as
it did with John to speak down the lens - John can say that if he
wants. I went in on that Monday after lots of colleagues had
resigned, I went in with five colleagues in order to say, we're
not intending to resign, but we want to hear Jeremy, what you're going to
do to save the Labour Party. How are you going to compromise in order to
bring us together? John McDonnell pushed into that meeting, not having
been invited. I put it to John directly that I feared he was part
of the small group of people on the far left of the Labour Party who
were prepared to see the party split in order to protect his project. His
answer to that was to shrug his shoulders and say, "If that's what
it takes." That is why I left. That is why I resigned from the
frontbench. Ultimately, that's why I'm standing. I do think there is a
very real danger that the party will split if Jeremy doesn't move over,
that the party will be destroyed. The Tories and other forces on the
right of British politics will fill the gap that Labour leaves. That
will be a disaster, because we have been the greatest force for social
good for 116 years in this country. It would be a tragedy if we were
wiped out. Parties can be wiped out. It takes a long time for parties to
rise, but they can be snuffed out just like that. That is what I fear
could happen to Labour. Let's look, then, at your stall, your manifesto,
if you will, particularly looking for clear blue water between you and
Jeremy Corbyn. If we started with defence. Would you, as a Prime
Minister, be spending more or less than the current GDP percentage on
the defence budget? We should be spending 2%. We should be renewing
Trident. Security of the British people has always got to be the
first order of business for any Government, Labour or Tory. We've
got to be serious about that. One of the weakness that's we've had
recently is that people worry that Labour isn't serious about security,
that it's a lesser issue for Jeremy, as it were. I'm not sure that is
right, but he's got a different perspective on some of those things,
on patriotism, if you like, on security and defence, I think I've
got a more traditional Labour perspective on that, an old
fashioned Labour perspective, that's a big difference between us. What do
you mean by a different position on patriotism? I don't think Jeremy
really understand, sometimes, the way in which people have a strong,
perhaps socially conservative, with a small C, sense of place, sense of
where they're from. I'm not sure I've heard him talking much about
Scotland, an identity, Wales and identity or indeed England and
identity. I suspect Jeremy has a more pet row poll tan sense of that.
That's not what I think is central to the Labour tradition. Are you
calling him unpatriotic? I'm saying I don't think it's core to his set
of beliefs. I think he's got a set of liberal per specktives and left
per specktives on things and nationhood and nationalism and
patriotism aren't really part of his make up. Staying with Trident, you
mention old Labour values, I think Tony Benn said, in reference to the
nuclear deterrent, that we had the best protected homeless people in
the world. It's the membership of the party who support Jeremy Corbyn,
they're sceptical about Trident. Aren't you supposed to win them
over? Yeah, but I've got to be honest about what I feel. I'm
someone who used to believe that getting rid of all our nuclear
weapons unilaterally was right. Now I feel the world has become an even
more unpredictable, volatile place. You said a moment ago, before we
went on air, it's the first time you've been presenting for a while
now without some awful news being broadcast. It does feel, to lots of
us, that every day there is a new, extraordinary piece of news around
the world. That doesn't feel like, to me, a moment when we should be
divesting... When did you change your mind? In my mid-20s, when I was
a teenager, I was a member of CND and believed in unilateralism. In my
mid-20s, I started to see there was a real case for hanging on to our
weapons and Labour's traditional position of multilateral disarmament
using ours as a bargaining chip to get other countries to get rid of
theirs too. Treeza May was asked whether she was prepared to hit the
nuclear button, would you be prepared to press the button? I've
been asked that question a couple of times and I've said yes. If you've
got a nuclear deterrent, you have to be prepared to use it. It's a
terrible, terrible necessity. Obviously, one would hope that you'd
never get anywhere near that and truthfully, I don't think we ever
would get anywhere near it. The point is you have to be prepared to
do it in order for it to be effective. Let's move on to health.
This is obviously an area in which you've worked. There's been some
controversy recently. In the context of health, is there room for more,
you've called it choice in the past or private sector involvement in the
NHS as it currently stands? Truthfully, no. My view - Changed
your mind about this as well then? No. There was one press release that
was written by the company that I worked for back in 2005, about a
report that kaz commissioned not by me but my predecessor. That's been
spun into a suggestion that I'm in favour of privatisation in the NHS.
The truth is I'm incredibly proud of the NHS, Labour's greatest creation.
100%, publicly owned, free at the point of view NHS should be our
position. More than that, we opened the door to the Tories taking our
language, that language of choice that was the Labour Party's language
in the mid-2000s and using it as a Trojan horse for what they want to
do, which is to marketise the NHS piece by piece. I fought the NHS
Bill that has privatised parts of the NHS, line-by-line, on the
frontbench as the junior spokesperson for Labour. I
fundamentally believe we should get back to a period where we have a
clear sense of what our public goods, public services and we should
be very clear that public service ethos is undermind by allowing it to
be diluted. I think we made mistakes in not realising that you - You'd
row back on this? This is private sector provision in the NHS as it
stands that you seek to reduce? I would. I think we need to be clear
that Labour should understand what collective ownership of public
goods, what the value of that is. It's one of the very few things, if
you like, the NHS, that exemplifies socialism in practice. It's the
greatest institution in Britain that illustrates what we're all about in
Labour - pooling our risks, sharing our rewards, having a service that
is universal and used by everyone paid out of everybody's taxes. It's
the essence of labourism. Labourism? What would we be looking at?
What sort of areas could be reduced or removed? Very bluntly, we should
always think about public services being held in public hands. For
example the commissioning practice, lots of it is now done by private
sector providers and that's a real mistake, it allows profit and cost
to become the principal driver of services and not clinical decisions
or need. Introducing the profit motive to the NHS, like in other
areas of public service, both dilutes the sense of public
connection to it and undermines the essence of what Labour is all about.
Beyond that overview, the principled overview, what would the detailed
look like? Commissioning. That is one area but there would be a limit?
You would put a limit on it? We had a cap with the last Labour
government but that is a mistake, we should simply say, we should go
further, we want public services to be provided in the public sector by
public servants, that should be the overriding objective of Labour
because as I say, we do not want to risk those things being subverted or
the underpinning ethos, the ideological purpose of them from a
Labour perspective being eroded. You would grow the state in this
context? I think we do need to get much bolder about what the role of
the state is and I will be doing a couple of big speeches in the coming
weeks spelling out what I think we got wrong as new Labour,... Give me
a preview. I have just given you one about the NHS, but I will talk about
taxation, I will talk about the way in which we expand public services,
and allow public services to be properly resort. I will talk about
funding across the UK, rights at work and the way in which we protect
individuals at work through collective means of arguing for
better pay and conditions and I've already outlined we should
reintroduce sector wage councils as an extra ball work for workers
especially women in low-paid sectors. We must move on to the I
word coming immigration. Are there too many immigrants in Britain? The
way in which we saw a rapid influx of particular Eastern Europe and
migrants after the accession of those countries to Europe definitely
caused downward pressure on wages, definitely caused changes to local
terms and conditions for some workers in some sectors. We have to
acknowledge that and there are ways to mitigate that with public service
resources and extra money for doctors and school places. My wife
is a schoolteacher and we have had significant numbers into South Wales
of people fleeing the Middle East. That is something that we as a
government at the centre should be acknowledging in extra funding for
those areas. Today you have criticised Theresa May's decision to
do away with refugees minister. That is an extraordinary decision. Would
you not be in the business of numbers regarding refugees in
particular and immigration in general? With refugees absolutely
not, we should be honouring the great British tradition of being a
place of sanctuary for people fleeing persecution, across the
world. We have all seen these terrible pictures over the last few
summers, we are in the foothills, I think, James, of a global shift of
populations and in the foothills of the debate about that, about Howie
Roseman on. Our country and other European countries. This debate will
change a lot over the coming years. To be clear, it was in the manifesto
where you won your seat, to have a migrant impact fund. Ed Miliband had
that in place. It is still a good idea. The migrant fund not
withstanding, if there were a surge in the number of people coming to
Britain to work you would be comfortable if the resources were in
place? We should be honest about it because part of the way the service
and retail sectors, part of the way that is bounced back a bit after the
recession, although it is looking parlous again now, has been because
we have had an influx of effectively cheap Labour. Should we want that?
It has some economic advantages, no doubt, but what is it doing to
squeeze people out of jobs who are living in this country already? All
of these things, we have to be much more honest and upfront with the
British public about the scale of the challenges we face. If the
overall number goes up you would be comfortable with that if all of
these are the conditions were in place? The Tories have illustrated
perfectly what a boneheaded way it is to go about making policies to
set targets that you know you can't meet. Cameron Phelps completely but
Theresa May is frankly making a gross mistake in getting rid of a
specific refugees minister, that is a really bad thing. Equally
reintroducing detention for child refugees as they are effectively
dead last week, what an appalling thing that is to do. You referred
obliquely to the referendum result and most people now accept there is
a relatively binary choice regarding freedom of movement and access to
the single market, if we continue to do business as usual with the
European Union, it would probably involve freedom of movement staying
in place and everyone restrictions on freedom of movement we will have
to do less trade. We have to be much tougher and more vigorous in
rejecting the notion that it's a binary choice, because the message
we were sent with the referendum was fairly simple, it was one that
people wanted to retain the benefits of trading within Europe and two,
retaining constraints about laws being passed in Europe and on
immigration. We can choose to do what the Tories are doing which is
to say, there we go, that's that. Hard Brexit. I will be fighting much
harder to talk to all of the European parties in power and out of
power about how the debate is evolving because if Germany and
France and Spain, they have exactly the same discussions. -- in Germany.
You are rejecting this tension between freedom of movement and free
trade? I am rejecting the fact it is a binary choice, that is a false
choice and we should not be lying down and simply saying, these are
the terms of the debate, we accept it. That is the worst thing we could
possibly do. I am clear we should negotiate much harder, our leaders
should demand a seat at those tables, we represent nine or 10
million people who vote Labour in this country, Labour has a mandate
to debate these things. Most Labour voters voted to stay in. You
mentioned the mandate, Mr Corbyn's mandate is huge. He keeps telling me
that. He keeps telling everyone because it is true. 50% of members
voted for him, he goes on about how overwhelming it was but of members
only just over 50% voted for him. 378,000 of them right now, I will
talk to as many of those members as I can about what I believe in
witches essentially that Britain is becoming an incredibly unequal place
where people don't feel they get a fair crack of the web, where people
do feel angry and frustrated that we've had a sense of loss and
decline in this country for individuals and communities for a
long time, but it's not enough to just moan about it, you have to put
on the table what you will do to change. If you win will there be a
job for him? For Jeremy Corbyn? Absolutely. He does not want to be
president. I said President or chairman. There are many ways...
Does he have the confidence to have any brief? -- competence. I would
absolutely welcome him to the Shadow Cabinet, he should be thanked for
having helped Labour to rediscover a bit of radicalism, but we need to go
beyond just slogans, bit of hard solutions, we have to be practical,
we are practical socialists in the Labour Party, not just debaters.
Thank you very much indeed, Owen Smith.
Construction hasn't even begun on London's
In fact, there's still no agreement on where precisely on the North bank
of the Thames the bridge will begin or end, I suppose,
It was championed by Boris Johnson and even designed by his favourite
architect, known for those snazzy new route master buses.
His successor, Sadiq Khan, seems considerably less enthusiastic,
and support for the project elsewhere at City Hall
It was all supposed to start this summer but has just been pushed
back to at least the Autumn, prompting Nick Watt
to wonder whether it will ever be built at all.
To its fans, the Garden Bridge would show the world that London is a
world-class city with a spectacular place
for contemplation across the
If Manhattan can have the High Line, why can't London have
To its detractors the bridge is a vanity project,
reminiscent of, yes, the Millennium Dome.
The bridge has had significant ambassadors, Boris Johnson as London
mayor championed the project and the London-born George Osborne
thought it would showcase the best of
British design and attract visitors from across the globe.
Of course Joanna Lumley, who has known Boris
Johnson since she was four, dreamt up the project
It is the juxtaposition of something strange,
gardens in strange places, that is paradise for me.
The bridge now feels unloved in Whitehall and at
London City Hall after the sacking of George Osborne, and the departure
Sadiq Khan, the new London mayor, was a reluctant convert and was
recently given a taste of opposition to the project.
Do I cancel it and waste ?40 million or
The future of the bridge could be decided this week when the
Transport Secretary Chris Grayling decides whether to extend a ?15
million government guarantee until September next year.
A no would spell real danger for the Garden
My understanding is that they have spent ?38 million already.
And bearing in mind they haven't got a
To put that into context, the Millennium Bridge,
including fixing the wobble, cost around 25 million.
We could have effectively built a bridge and a
half with the money they have spent just on planning and preliminaries.
No doubt ministers have thought through the consequences of crossing
Joanna Lumley is no slouch when it comes to
So, Nick, what have you learned today?
Well, we are reaching a decisive moment for the Garden Bridge, with
that decision I was mentioning by Chris Grayling, whether to extend
?15 million government underwriting of the project until September next
year. We are told he is looking at all of the options with an open mind
but I sense he will have two big thoughts. With the challenge on
public finances at the moment is it right to press ahead? One source
said to me, we need bridges people can cross, not that you close for
parties. The second thought is the fear about ongoing liabilities, the
government could pony up the money and find that the bridge actually
never happens and it feels to me that this bridge really now has few
friends in Whitehall after the sacking of George Osborne. One
person said that the only wholehearted supporter of the bridge
in the Cabinet is Boris Johnson and his mind is on other things. Don't
forget about Sadiq Khan, the numerical London, a late convert to
the bridge, who has been saying there can be no more public money
from London. He has his mind on bridges to the east of Tower Bridge
because that is about economic regeneration. You have heard from
the Garden Bridge asked? Hannah Barnes has heard from the trust and
it does not sound as though they are wholly confident it is going their
way, a bit late in the day but they have sought a meeting with Chris
Grayling and hope the government will continue to support the
project. Crucially the trust have told us tonight that only the
government can underwrite the project, and they say that is not a
job for the private sector, so it is a note from Chris Grayling, and if
it is, that 15 million has to be provided this week because they have
to file it in their accounts. Troubled waters. Bridge over...
Thank you a much indeed. Even a House of Cards script
editor would have balked at the implausibility of this
American election plot twist: Russian hackers,
apparently backed by the Kremlin, were behind the leaking
of confidential e-mails exchanged by senior Democrats,
showing that they wanted Hilary Clinton, not Bernie Sanders,
to win the nomination. And in case, that weren't juicy
enough, Sanders supporters today booed their man's suggestion
that they should vote Hardly the ideal backdrop
to the first day of their convention On the plus side, though,
Emily Maitlis is there. Thanks, James. Good evening from
Philadelphia, where the democratic national convention has opened
amidst the back drop of drama, accusations, conspiracy and now
apology. The party chairman has resigned, following leaked e-mails
which seemed to suggest she was behind a plot to back Hillary
Clinton over Bernie Sanders, for the nomination, something which goes
against party rules. Donald Trump has used this occasion to call
Hilary, corrupt. His nickname for her is "crooked Hilary". The Clinton
campaign has blamed Russia for the leaked e-mails. They say Putin did
this and timed it to help Trump. The party itself has offered a deep and
sincere apology to Bernie Sanders' supporters. Make no mistake, they
are angry. What kind a problem will they have with Hillary Clinton now,
at a time when she so desperately needs to unify the party? And are
any of them open to an offer from Trump? We took a road trum to find
out. -- trip to find out.
The journey from Cleveland to Pennsylvania is a good
ten hours of open road, we will pass golden farmland
and abandoned steel towns, rolling hills and deserted wasteland.
These, though, are the craved electro battle grounds
-- electoral battlegrounds of the 2016 election.
Our first stop is the village of Volant - home to many Amish.
They live are very different lifestyle to most Americans,
Buggies instead of cars, no electricity, bails of hay
There are people who have managed by and large to stay
immune to America's fee brow political atmosphere.
Yet their self-sufficiency, working the land, producing
all that they eat, wear and use can seem rather appealing to a nation
that keeps being told it is no longer great.
There's is a lifestyle that predates globalisation,
-- theirs is a lifestyle that predates globalisation, a curious
blueprint for the many Americans who now feel left behind
by the speed of change, who feel that too many products
are now being made overseas, or that the link between worker
and product is now irreparably broken.
Americans like those who live here, a town that could once boast
Concerns about globalisation, voiced in the States
by Trump and Sanders, or in the UK over Brexit
are often traced back to the financial crash of 2008,
but of course their roots were down decades ago when all of the heavy
My mum and my grandma tell me a lot about it.
The town was a nice place to hang around and be in, when all
of the businesses were here and the steel mill was up
Let's hope we can get it back to where it is.
I asked Bill Bird which way he thinks he'll vote in November.
I dislike Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump is a joke.
Pretty much, I would not say I hate them but I strongly dislike them.
Pennsylvania hasn't voted for a Republican presidential
candidate since 1988, but there are counties in the state
that are getting redder, and here's why, the JNL Steel
complex that used to employ 10,000 people in this rust belt town
of Aliquippa has gone for good, and nothing, nothing
The protectionist policies of the 1960s are gone,
the workers blame globalisation, there might once have chosen
Bernie Sanders, and they are the challenge
This was downtown Aliquippa in its heyday, buzzing
Now that same road barely functions, we see no one
This used to be a dress shop and my mom worked
Except this one, a cafe that doubles as a church community
Sam worked in the steel mills for 12 years until he was laid off
and he found a new job but then lost it last year.
Has it been hard to find more work here?
I'm not sure, sometimes you try and look hard and make it happen
and sometimes you just slack off and don't worry about it.
The cafe is run by Evangelist Herb Bailey.
He believes blaming globalisation is wrong.
We are not players in a global market like we could be.
We don't need to bring industry back that was lost,
There are great innovations that could be done using the same
physical labour and the same intellect that captured
the imagination of the rest of the world.
Sandra Gul runs the Dreamers Project from this cafe, inspiring the young
They don't want to be the norm of having kids,
hanging out on the corners, everyone is doing positive things.
You are going to vote in November, are you?
She was in the background when her husband was
Clinton polls well with black Americans and college
graduates but when it comes to the white working class,
Trump is leading her by an astonishing 40%.
Bernie Sanders might have brought many of them in but the e-mail
leaks allow them to voice what many had long feared,
her nomination was a party stitch-up.
In other words, it's no longer Bernie's problem, it's Hillary's.
If the shrinking industrial heartland and all of this bucolic
battle ground in between doesn't feel she played fair there may
Ben Smith the editor in chief of Buzzfeed joins me now. He's just put
away his BlackBerry. In terms of how much damage this has done Hillary
Clinton's campaign, as she opens the convention, what's your sense? This
certainly isn't what they were going for. They wanted a harmonious
contrast to the Republican Convention last week. This is not
that. This is a lot more, there's openly expressed conflict here than
in Cleveland. Terms of the protests on the streets, Bernie supporters
saying, "Anyone but Hilary now" Or they'll stay home. Do you think
they'll withdraw their vote or could they put it towards a Republican
ticket? I think probably electorally this is overstated. There's really
no suggestion that Bernie supporters in any kind of numbers will vote for
Donald Trump. There's a worry that young voters will stay home and
there's a worry that the activists in this room will derail Clinton's
stage show a little bit. What does she have to do now? What is the most
important message? We've heard from Bernie Sanders asking for, what was
the phrase, to be gracious in the hall towards his opponent. I think
she would like to use the convention to talk to swing voters, to talk to
people in the middle, in the suburbs, college-educated women
thinking about Donald Trump. She does not want to use this convention
to talk to Bernie Sanders' supporters. She wants to take them
for granted. They're saying to them, look, get in line, whatever your
problems are with Hilary, you should be terrified of Donald Trump. One of
the statistics in the film was the huge gap for the white working class
where Donald Trump has a 40% lead over Hillary Clinton. What does she
have to do to close the gap? Republicans have for decades, since
Reagan, had working class voters. Bernie Sanders looked like he's a
product of the white working class, but his supporters are young and
diverse. They're the traditional American new left. So I think for
Hillary Clinton, college educated white people are the ones who moved
towards Donald Trump in the last couple of days and are the reason
he's up in the polls. Those are the people she's trying to get back.
What was very evident at the RNC in Cleveland was just what a strong
presence unwittingly Hillary Clinton was there. All the banners were
aimed at her, all the chanting aimed at her. I think if Donald Trump is
present here, it has the opposite effect. He wants to be part of this
convention. I think at a convention where you see a lot more people
holding Bernie signs. The party is united around her but with no great
passion for her, the way some people love Donald Trump. They are hoping
that Trump will be able to motivate voters that Hillary Clinton can't.
That is going to be essential, in a sense, Hilary has a marketing
problem. She's not new or novel. People know what they've got. She's
got a safe VP choice S she just going to play this safe? Or does she
have to do something dramatic and exciting? Until about today, and
probably still, the Clinton campaign plan still thinks he can't win. Like
in football, when you're up 2-1 with 15 minutes left, that's the game
she's playing. The latest goals are making people in the building quite
nervous. Maybe you can't just run out the clock on him. Great of you
to join us here on Newsnight. It's worth saying that the party
chairwoman was going to kick off events here and was going to speak.
There was so much protest after the leaked e-mails she has pulled out.
We will hear from Bernie Sanders later this evening. His slot has
been moved even later. He becomes, as it were, the prime-time guest.
There's a lot riding on this. He has to speak to his supporters but also
speak to them and tell them to unify the party and get behind his former
owe pon ept, Hillary Clinton. -- opponent. Hillary Clinton.
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We leave you with the work of Marni Nixon, the most famous
In the 1950s and 60s she worked behind the scenes in Hollywood
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