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It has been fast and furious in the Newsnight office today - | :00:00. | :00:08. | |
a string of exclusive stories, from arms sales to Saudi Arabia, | :00:09. | :00:14. | |
to a row over classifying athletes for the Paralympics and Hollywood's | :00:15. | :00:16. | |
hottest comedy property, Amy Schumer. | :00:17. | :00:19. | |
This is how the Saudis are fighting the war in Yemen. | :00:20. | :00:23. | |
Tonight, we've learned a committee of MPs is about to demand a pause | :00:24. | :00:27. | |
This is how the Saudis are fighting the war in Yemen. | :00:28. | :00:41. | |
Tonight, we've learned a committee of MPs is about to demand a pause | :00:42. | :00:44. | |
in arms sales to Saudia Arabia because of attacks like this one. | :00:45. | :00:47. | |
At around 4.00pm in the afternoon patients, doctors, nurses here could | :00:48. | :00:50. | |
Now, they didn't think it would strike, not only because this | :00:51. | :00:53. | |
is a residential area, but because this is a hospital. | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
However, an air strike did hit, right over here, killing | :00:57. | :00:58. | |
After the success of 2012, the Paralympics begin in Rio | :00:59. | :01:03. | |
tomorrow, dogged by controversy over doping, ticket sales | :01:04. | :01:04. | |
Now, we reveal troubling questions about how | :01:05. | :01:07. | |
Both national and international classification, I think it's | :01:08. | :01:17. | |
not fit for purpose, it's not sufficiently robust | :01:18. | :01:18. | |
We meet the irrespressible American comedian, Amy Schumer. | :01:19. | :01:36. | |
If it isn't Hillary in November, does your act change? | :01:37. | :01:38. | |
My act will change because I'll need to learn to speak Spanish | :01:39. | :01:42. | |
because I will move to Spain or somewhere. | :01:43. | :01:53. | |
Newsnight has seen a leaked report which suggests that the Government | :01:54. | :01:58. | |
may be heading for a major embarrassment over its continued | :01:59. | :02:01. | |
support for British arms sales to Saudi Arabia. | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
Over the past year, our reporter, Gabriel Gatehouse, has repeatedly | :02:06. | :02:08. | |
documented the targeting of civilians and civilian | :02:09. | :02:10. | |
infrastructure, including factories and hospitals, | :02:11. | :02:13. | |
in the Saudi-led bombing campaign in Yemen. | :02:14. | :02:16. | |
And yet, as late as yesterday, the Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson, | :02:17. | :02:19. | |
defended British arms sales to Saudi Arabia for use in Yemen, | :02:20. | :02:22. | |
saying the campaign is not in clear breach | :02:23. | :02:24. | |
But Gabriel has now learned that the Commons Committee | :02:25. | :02:32. | |
of Arms Export Controls takes a very different and damning view. | :02:33. | :02:37. | |
What's the story? A background to this. In July this year, on the last | :02:38. | :02:45. | |
day of parliament before the summer recess, in what is known as take out | :02:46. | :02:50. | |
the trash day. The day the Government releases potentially | :02:51. | :02:51. | |
embarrassing information. The Foreign Office made a startled a MiG | :02:52. | :02:55. | |
when it said over a period of six months the Government had assessed | :02:56. | :02:59. | |
that Saudi Arabia wasn't in breach of international humanitarian law in | :03:00. | :03:04. | |
Yemen it admitted it had made no such assessment at all. It replied | :03:05. | :03:10. | |
on Saudi assertions. You mentioned Boris Johnson's continued support | :03:11. | :03:13. | |
for arms sales to Saudi Arabia saying there wasn't enough evidence | :03:14. | :03:16. | |
to suggest that Saudi Arabia was committing war crimes. Well, this | :03:17. | :03:21. | |
report from the committee on arms export control. It's a draft report, | :03:22. | :03:26. | |
it concludes the opposite. It says the weight of evidence is so great | :03:27. | :03:29. | |
that the UK should suspend arms sales to Saudi Arabia for use in | :03:30. | :03:33. | |
Yemen until an independent and international inquiry can establish | :03:34. | :03:37. | |
the truth. Now, both sides in this conflict have been accused of | :03:38. | :03:42. | |
committing war crimes, but the UN says 60% of the civilian casualties | :03:43. | :03:51. | |
are caused by Saudi led air strikes. This programme highlighted targeting | :03:52. | :03:55. | |
of countryians. We saw that Yemen last year. We travelled travelled | :03:56. | :03:59. | |
with our correspondent who has been back to Yemen for a documentary for | :04:00. | :04:04. | |
Our World. She's come back and here is some what she found. | :04:05. | :04:11. | |
Yemen has been under constant bombardment for the last 18 months. | :04:12. | :04:13. | |
A conflict between Houthi rebels and a Saudi-led coalition. | :04:14. | :04:15. | |
Both sides have been accused of war crimes, but it is the Saudis | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
that the UK and its western allies are backing. | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
I was in Houthi-held territory in northern Yemen, | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
three weeks ago, when a nearby Medecins Sans Frontieres' hospital | :04:29. | :04:30. | |
This footage was filmed by local residents immediately | :04:31. | :04:36. | |
after the attack, which ended up killing 19 people. | :04:37. | :04:46. | |
TRANSLATION: All the patients were at ease, some were sleeping. | :04:47. | :04:48. | |
There were sleeping children and there were mothers giving birth. | :04:49. | :04:51. | |
There were no Houthis or any armed people in the hospital only | :04:52. | :04:55. | |
the doctors and nurses who work here. | :04:56. | :05:01. | |
At around 4.00pm in the afternoon, patients, doctors, nurses | :05:02. | :05:03. | |
here could hear aeroplanes flying overhead. | :05:04. | :05:06. | |
They didn't think it would strike, not only because this | :05:07. | :05:09. | |
is a residential area, but because this is a hospital. | :05:10. | :05:15. | |
But an air strike did hit, right over here by the emergency | :05:16. | :05:17. | |
TRANSLATION: People lost their jobs and homes. | :05:18. | :05:23. | |
All of this is nothing compared to the loss of people's life. | :05:24. | :05:26. | |
Who's responsible for what is happening to us? | :05:27. | :05:30. | |
Saudi Arabia claims that the targeting of the hospital | :05:31. | :05:35. | |
was a mistake, but MSF insists that all parties to the conflict have | :05:36. | :05:38. | |
been provided with clear GPS coordinates of the | :05:39. | :05:40. | |
TRANSLATIoN: It is markings for the coalition to | :05:41. | :05:58. | |
They were fully aware and we contact them on a daily basis and tell them | :05:59. | :06:06. | |
of MSF's whereabouts and this logo is painted on the roof | :06:07. | :06:09. | |
to differentiate this building from all other buildings and yet | :06:10. | :06:11. | |
19-year-old Amon was a local MS volunteer. | :06:12. | :06:35. | |
He had just driven his ambulance through the hospital gates | :06:36. | :06:41. | |
He and the patients in the back of his ambulance were all killed. | :06:42. | :06:45. | |
TRANSLATION: He came home at 1.00pm to have lunch and went back to work. | :06:46. | :06:48. | |
At 3.00pm we heard the bombing of the air strike. | :06:49. | :06:51. | |
I was screaming, "my son, my son, my son." | :06:52. | :06:53. | |
Someone else said he was in the ambulance, | :06:54. | :06:57. | |
I found my son underneath the cupboards, | :06:58. | :07:00. | |
completely burnt, like a piece of coal. | :07:01. | :07:04. | |
This was the fourth MSF hospital to have been destroyed | :07:05. | :07:07. | |
The charity has now withdrawn from northern Yemen. | :07:08. | :07:20. | |
The country's infrastructure has been devastated. | :07:21. | :07:21. | |
Meanwhile, nearly 4,000 Yemeni civilians have been killed | :07:22. | :07:23. | |
What is in the committee report? The committee is made up of MPs from | :07:24. | :07:32. | |
four other select committees, defence, foreign affairs, | :07:33. | :07:33. | |
international development and business. All the committees | :07:34. | :07:37. | |
involved in the export of arms. This copy that we've got hold of is a | :07:38. | :07:41. | |
draft. The committee will meet tomorrow to discuss possible | :07:42. | :07:43. | |
changes. We don't know what the final language is going to sound | :07:44. | :07:50. | |
like. As it stands, the report says that the weight of evidence of | :07:51. | :07:55. | |
violations of international humanitarian law, by the Saudi-led | :07:56. | :07:58. | |
coalition in Yemen, is now so great that it is very difficult to | :07:59. | :08:03. | |
continue to support Saudi Arabia while maintaining the credibility of | :08:04. | :08:10. | |
our arms licencing regime. Now, in the summary it says that given the | :08:11. | :08:15. | |
scale and the history of UK arms exports to Saudi Arabia it's | :08:16. | :08:22. | |
"inevitable" that any violations of international law by the Saudi-led | :08:23. | :08:24. | |
coalition would involve arms supplied by the UK. The fact that | :08:25. | :08:29. | |
the Government has not supported efforts to establish an independent | :08:30. | :08:34. | |
international inquiry, the report says, "has allowed for the transfer | :08:35. | :08:39. | |
of items to Saudi Arabia very possibly in contravention of the | :08:40. | :08:46. | |
UK's legal obligations while doubt and uncertainty about IHL compliance | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
in Yemen exists the default position of the UK Government should be not | :08:51. | :08:59. | |
to sell weapons" to us spend weapon sales. What does the law is a? Where | :09:00. | :09:06. | |
there is a clear risk items might be used in commission of serious | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
violation of international humanitarian law. It's whether there | :09:11. | :09:14. | |
is insufficient evidence to support that, as the Government contends. | :09:15. | :09:18. | |
This report concludes there is ample evidence. The Government says it has | :09:19. | :09:22. | |
one of the strictest licencing regimes in the world. Since the | :09:23. | :09:27. | |
conflict began it hasn't refused a single export licence to Saudi | :09:28. | :09:29. | |
Arabia. This is what the draft report has to say on the matter. "We | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
have found that the Government's arms export licencing regime, which | :09:35. | :09:38. | |
it repeatedly asserts is robust, is in fact, to a large extent, opaque | :09:39. | :09:45. | |
and the Government too often relies on assertion rather thanes positive | :09:46. | :09:49. | |
evidence. " What weight does the committee report actually have, will | :09:50. | :09:53. | |
have, when it comes out? The committee has weight, but it doesn't | :09:54. | :09:56. | |
have the power to force the Government to change policy. It does | :09:57. | :10:01. | |
have the power to force it to come and explain itself in front of the | :10:02. | :10:04. | |
committee. There is another thing going on. There is a legal case, the | :10:05. | :10:08. | |
campaign group, Campaign Against The Arms Trade, is taking the Government | :10:09. | :10:12. | |
to court over its arms sales to Saudi Arabia. It will go to judicial | :10:13. | :10:16. | |
review. There will be a hearing early next year. I spoke to their | :10:17. | :10:19. | |
lawyers this evening. They have written to the Ministry of Defence | :10:20. | :10:24. | |
urgently seeking clarification about these assertions that they'd | :10:25. | :10:26. | |
assessed, the Government had assessed, that Saudi Arabia wasn't | :10:27. | :10:29. | |
in breach of international humanitarian law. They say that the | :10:30. | :10:34. | |
Government has apparently placed inaccurate and misleading statements | :10:35. | :10:36. | |
before the court. They haven't yet heard back. Gabriel, thanks vuch | :10:37. | :10:40. | |
indeed. -- thanks very much indeed. When the Paralympics | :10:41. | :10:50. | |
begin in Rio tomorrow the competition will be fierce and, | :10:51. | :10:53. | |
for the athletes, it will be the culmination of everything | :10:54. | :10:56. | |
they have worked for. But after the triumph of London | :10:57. | :10:58. | |
2012, it feels like a key moment for the Paralympics, | :10:59. | :11:01. | |
with problems over tickets sales, the exclusion of the Russian team | :11:02. | :11:03. | |
because of a doping scandal, sponsorship issues, | :11:04. | :11:06. | |
and now the latest - Here's our exclusive | :11:07. | :11:07. | |
report by Hannah Barnes. From its humble origins as a | :11:08. | :11:17. | |
competition for injured British servicemen and women after the | :11:18. | :11:19. | |
Second World War, the Paralympic legacy has gone from strength to | :11:20. | :11:29. | |
strength. Just 16 people took part in the fist contest in 1948, but | :11:30. | :11:35. | |
over the next 10 days more than 4,000 athletes will vie for the | :11:36. | :11:40. | |
medals in Rio. But could there be a problem with the foundations the | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
Paralympics are built upon It's something that's been going on for | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
decades. It's the worst kept secret in sport. As with any system of | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
clarification there will be potential for people to be at the | :11:53. | :11:58. | |
higher end or the lower end. Increased success and status for the | :11:59. | :12:02. | |
Paralympics has brought increased scrutiny with questions being raised | :12:03. | :12:06. | |
about the classification process which determines which category | :12:07. | :12:10. | |
athletes should be placed in to ensure competition is fair. So, how | :12:11. | :12:15. | |
does it work? The aim of the classification system is to make | :12:16. | :12:19. | |
sure that athletes are competing against opponents who have similar | :12:20. | :12:24. | |
or equal impairments. To start with, there are 10 broad categories that | :12:25. | :12:28. | |
athletes are assigned to. They include eight physical groups of | :12:29. | :12:34. | |
impairments, fore, loss of limb or limb deficient i or conditions | :12:35. | :12:42. | |
common to people with cerebral palsy. On top of these there are two | :12:43. | :12:50. | |
further groups. Visual impairment and intellectual impairment. Within | :12:51. | :12:53. | |
those different categories it's broken down further to try to make | :12:54. | :13:00. | |
things even fairer. Let's take track athletes, for example, who have | :13:01. | :13:04. | |
cerebral palsies or other neurological conditions that affect | :13:05. | :13:07. | |
muscle co-ordination and control. Within this group there are eight | :13:08. | :13:12. | |
separate classes that an athlete can be place in depending on the | :13:13. | :13:15. | |
severity of their condition. The first four are for athletes who need | :13:16. | :13:20. | |
a racing wheelchair to compete. The others are for those who compete | :13:21. | :13:24. | |
standing up. Now, the idea is that as you go through these classes, | :13:25. | :13:33. | |
they are numbered 31-38 in this case an athletes condition becomes less | :13:34. | :13:37. | |
severe. Several people, including former medal winning British | :13:38. | :13:41. | |
Paralympians, have voiced concerns about how the classification process | :13:42. | :13:47. | |
is working in practice. Both national and international | :13:48. | :13:51. | |
classification I think it is... It's not fit for purpose. It's not | :13:52. | :13:57. | |
sufficiently robust. It is too easily manipulated. Michael Breen's | :13:58. | :14:07. | |
daughter is competing for Team GB in Rio. She was diagnosed with cerebral | :14:08. | :14:14. | |
palsy as a young child. He complained to UK athletics saying | :14:15. | :14:17. | |
that classification doesn't appear to be working. When you watch the | :14:18. | :14:25. | |
Paralympics over the coming weeks, and you see one athlete running | :14:26. | :14:29. | |
significantly further ahead than the rest of the other athletes, I would | :14:30. | :14:35. | |
simply say that you should perhaps ask yourself the question - whatever | :14:36. | :14:40. | |
impairment that particular athlete has, is it the same as the | :14:41. | :14:45. | |
impairments of the other athletes who are say 20 or 30 meters behind? | :14:46. | :14:51. | |
UK athletics told Newsnight that his complaint was fully investigated by | :14:52. | :14:55. | |
them and the International Paralympic Committee and was found | :14:56. | :14:59. | |
to be without any merit. An email, seen by Newsnight, confirms he | :15:00. | :15:04. | |
wasn't alone in being worried. Last year Great Britain's head coach | :15:05. | :15:08. | |
emailed athletes to say she had to deal with parents, coaches and | :15:09. | :15:14. | |
others who felt discontent about the classifications of some athletes. | :15:15. | :15:18. | |
Email says that British athletics will have no hesitation in taking | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
legal action against anyone found to have made basesless allegations in | :15:24. | :15:28. | |
the public domain. UK athletes insists they were not discouraging | :15:29. | :15:34. | |
whistleblowers but trying to avoid unsubstantiated allegations being | :15:35. | :15:37. | |
aired publicly. There are also concerns from people who have been | :15:38. | :15:42. | |
denied classification. Daniel Brown suffers from complex regional pain | :15:43. | :15:46. | |
syndrome. After winning gold in archery at both the Beijing and | :15:47. | :15:54. | |
London Paralympics, she was told by two IPC classifiers, | :15:55. | :15:57. | |
psychotherapists who she said didn't consult her medical history she was | :15:58. | :16:01. | |
too able-bodied to compete any more. I went through a whole identity | :16:02. | :16:06. | |
crisis. I was an elite athlete, I wasn't. I'm a disabled person, and | :16:07. | :16:13. | |
I'm not disabled enough. I get frustrated doing simple things like | :16:14. | :16:18. | |
carrying a cup of tea and throwing it yaefr where and I want to say - | :16:19. | :16:22. | |
why can't they see that and understand my life is affected this | :16:23. | :16:23. | |
way. It's critical people have faith in | :16:24. | :16:32. | |
the classification system. You want to know what you're watching is what | :16:33. | :16:36. | |
you think you're watching. I believe the classification system delivers | :16:37. | :16:40. | |
that. There will be people who feel unhappy with some of the decision | :16:41. | :16:42. | |
that is have been made. If people have strong claims they need to | :16:43. | :16:45. | |
bring the evidence to back up those claims. | :16:46. | :16:50. | |
Millions of people will tune in and over the next ten days to watch one | :16:51. | :16:57. | |
of the world's most fiercest fought sporting competitions. Those in | :16:58. | :17:01. | |
charge of the Games will hope questions over the classification | :17:02. | :17:03. | |
will not cast too much of a shadow over the event. | :17:04. | :17:07. | |
A UK Athletics spokesperson told us that... | :17:08. | :17:08. | |
"Classification of all international para-athletes is handled exclusively | :17:09. | :17:10. | |
by the International Paralympic Committee. | :17:11. | :17:16. | |
UK Athletics is confident of the classification of all British | :17:17. | :17:18. | |
athletes who will be competing in Rio and we always co-operate 100% | :17:19. | :17:21. | |
with the IPC to ensure that all GB athletes are correctly classified | :17:22. | :17:24. | |
Where concerns have been raised, UKA has correctly responded | :17:25. | :17:30. | |
by requesting that the IPC check medical and procedural records | :17:31. | :17:37. | |
to either ratify or change the athlete's classification." | :17:38. | :17:39. | |
Joining us from Rio is Doctor Peter Van de Vliet, | :17:40. | :17:42. | |
he's Medical Director of the International | :17:43. | :17:44. | |
Good evening. First, do you believe that the system is absolutely | :17:45. | :17:54. | |
watertight, robust and utterly fair? The system is as fair as it is with | :17:55. | :18:01. | |
the actual knowledge for the moment. I think it is also fair to say that | :18:02. | :18:05. | |
we remain very critical and we owe it to our athletes to be very | :18:06. | :18:09. | |
critical that the system can be improved. And with further our | :18:10. | :18:14. | |
understanding and our knowledge on the relationship between impairment | :18:15. | :18:18. | |
and activity limitations on a daily basis and that knowledge needs to | :18:19. | :18:22. | |
translate in the rules to secure classification for the future. It is | :18:23. | :18:25. | |
interesting to do acknowledge you do have problems and I wonder about a | :18:26. | :18:33. | |
system where medical history isn't is taken into account. It is the | :18:34. | :18:38. | |
effort on the day that is assessed for impairment of whatever degree. | :18:39. | :18:47. | |
Is that a failing? No. It is very important to make a distinction that | :18:48. | :18:52. | |
when we look at the relationship between impairment and inactivity, | :18:53. | :18:56. | |
it is not the race time, it is not the performance in the final result, | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
it is the key components of the discipline, of the sport the athlete | :19:02. | :19:06. | |
is participating in. And if classifiers who are certified and | :19:07. | :19:11. | |
trained for their purpose have reviewed this is something that | :19:12. | :19:15. | |
might fluctuate a little bit, they tell the athlete in review. So they | :19:16. | :19:18. | |
observed the athlete on multiple occasions throughout their career. | :19:19. | :19:25. | |
More broadly, what about the classification? The classification | :19:26. | :19:29. | |
is done at a national level and I wonder if you are confident that it | :19:30. | :19:33. | |
is equable across all nations? Because what you are asking is a big | :19:34. | :19:38. | |
ask of classifiers to have exactly the same rules. Exactly the same | :19:39. | :19:47. | |
interpretations of the rules. There is a certain degree of diversity | :19:48. | :19:52. | |
within the nations and it depends on how the nations themselves train | :19:53. | :19:56. | |
their classifiers. We are working now with the international | :19:57. | :19:58. | |
federations to ensure that they assist the nations to have a | :19:59. | :20:02. | |
transparent and standardised approach to classification across | :20:03. | :20:07. | |
all nations. When an athlete starts competing internationally, the | :20:08. | :20:13. | |
mandate of classification is transferred to international | :20:14. | :20:16. | |
classifiers, all trained and certified by the International | :20:17. | :20:19. | |
Federation responsible. Do you think at the moment there is a problem | :20:20. | :20:23. | |
with the kind of national level of classification? You seem to be | :20:24. | :20:26. | |
suggesting there are different approaches and that could perhaps be | :20:27. | :20:32. | |
improved. That is correct. And that is why we engage now at this very | :20:33. | :20:37. | |
moment with the national bodies. We have significant investments over | :20:38. | :20:43. | |
time with national classification expert capacity built up and we are | :20:44. | :20:47. | |
very happy to engage with all of these twin sure that at the onset of | :20:48. | :20:53. | |
an athlete's career, they can give guidance to the classification in | :20:54. | :20:56. | |
the most appropriate way. Finally, we are going to see something | :20:57. | :21:01. | |
incredible, sporting achievements, over the next 11 days. I wonder if | :21:02. | :21:07. | |
we see somebody winning by an overwhelming, way ahead of the rest | :21:08. | :21:11. | |
of the field, the margin is very great, should we be concerned | :21:12. | :21:15. | |
something is not working correctly? I don't think so. We have all | :21:16. | :21:23. | |
measures put in place to ensure that those athletes competing here in Rio | :21:24. | :21:27. | |
have been seen, have been properly classified in the final lead up to | :21:28. | :21:31. | |
these games. I think what we will see is unique athletic performance, | :21:32. | :21:36. | |
which is just on the basis of skill, training and very hard work by those | :21:37. | :21:40. | |
athletes. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. | :21:41. | :21:42. | |
While the Government and the civil servants are grappling | :21:43. | :21:44. | |
with the construction of a bespoke Brexit, institutions are having | :21:45. | :21:47. | |
to divine what it will mean for them and how to deal with uncertainty. | :21:48. | :21:51. | |
Chief among them, the universities and colleges who have | :21:52. | :21:53. | |
to plan their intake of undergraduates from the EU. | :21:54. | :21:56. | |
Our policy editor, Chris Cook, is here with news of | :21:57. | :21:59. | |
a deal for universities and what the Prime Minister | :22:00. | :22:01. | |
is planning to do about selective schools, known to you and me | :22:02. | :22:04. | |
Let's start first with universities, what is happening. Doping The big | :22:05. | :22:11. | |
thing to remember about universities is they work on three or four year | :22:12. | :22:18. | |
cycles. Secondly, EU students are treated like British students, they | :22:19. | :22:21. | |
pay the same fees and they get the same access to loans. At the moment, | :22:22. | :22:26. | |
today, right now, as of this morning, it has been possible to | :22:27. | :22:31. | |
apply for it degree at a British university for next year, 2017. | :22:32. | :22:35. | |
Universities are really worried students from the EU, about 5% of | :22:36. | :22:39. | |
their student body, will not apply because they do not know the fee | :22:40. | :22:43. | |
regime potentially in Twenty20 and they are not certain they will have | :22:44. | :22:47. | |
access to the student loan scheme. So they may run out of money. They | :22:48. | :22:52. | |
are appealing tomorrow, Dame Julia Goodfellow, the vice Chancellor of | :22:53. | :22:56. | |
Ghent University and President of universities UK, she is giving a | :22:57. | :23:01. | |
speech calling on the government to guarantee people with crude for next | :23:02. | :23:05. | |
year will have the full rights as EU citizens to finish their degrees | :23:06. | :23:11. | |
Tashkent University. Or there is too much uncertainty? Yes, and they are | :23:12. | :23:16. | |
worried they will lose students. Universities are great lobbyists in | :23:17. | :23:20. | |
Whitehall, this is a scream of desperation. And there was news | :23:21. | :23:24. | |
today from an unexpected source under somebody's about selective | :23:25. | :23:29. | |
schools. The Prime Minister, we have strong suspicions, wants to bring | :23:30. | :23:34. | |
back grammar schools to England and that is very difficult because | :23:35. | :23:37. | |
bringing back grammar schools requires you to change the 1998 | :23:38. | :23:41. | |
education act. It is hard-wired into statute and very difficult to do. | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
You can see on the screens behind us, there is a senior civil servant, | :23:47. | :23:52. | |
Jonathan Slater, the permanent secretary at the Department for | :23:53. | :23:55. | |
education, he walked into Downing Street brazenly holding a piece of | :23:56. | :23:59. | |
paper revealing a number of things. It does confirm the government does | :24:00. | :24:03. | |
want to bring back grammar schools and Justine Greening, the Education | :24:04. | :24:08. | |
Secretary, says these ideas should be presented as an option and should | :24:09. | :24:12. | |
only be pursued once it is clear we can work with existing grammar | :24:13. | :24:15. | |
schools to deal with the problems associated with grammar schools. | :24:16. | :24:19. | |
Namely, the poor kids do worse and rich kids do better. Where does this | :24:20. | :24:24. | |
leave us? Jonathan Slater's proposal is, why not have a scheme whereby we | :24:25. | :24:30. | |
introduced the House of Lords a proposal to amend the 1998 education | :24:31. | :24:34. | |
act only after we have got the grammar schools to work out some | :24:35. | :24:39. | |
sort of deal whereby they show they can improve the way they perform so | :24:40. | :24:42. | |
they do not harm social mobility as much. That is what it -- week in the | :24:43. | :24:48. | |
trade call kicking the tray down the road. Thank you very much indeed. | :24:49. | :24:50. | |
The Parliamentary Labour Party has, as expected, voted to request | :24:51. | :24:53. | |
the NEC bring forward a rule change at conference to reinstate elections | :24:54. | :24:56. | |
to the Shadow Cabinet, a move interpreted by Jeremy Corbyn's | :24:57. | :24:58. | |
supporters as designed to rein him in should he win | :24:59. | :25:01. | |
He has countered by suggesting that party members, or party conference, | :25:02. | :25:05. | |
should elect some members of the Shadow Cabinet team. | :25:06. | :25:08. | |
In a moment, I'll be speaking to the man who was at the centre | :25:09. | :25:14. | |
of the battle for the survival of the Labour Party in the '80s, | :25:15. | :25:17. | |
But first, our political editor, Nick Watt, observed a musical day | :25:18. | :25:21. | |
Labour may be in the throes of a battle for its soul, but when it | :25:22. | :25:35. | |
comes to music, the party's reading figures appear to be united in their | :25:36. | :25:43. | |
taste for retro- chic. Today, Jeremy Corbyn was endorsed by an iconic | :25:44. | :25:46. | |
band which was the scourge of Thatcherite. Your band, formed in | :25:47. | :25:53. | |
the late 1970s, during a time of increasing youth unemployment, then | :25:54. | :25:59. | |
went on to become this iconic name, UB40. But critics couldn't resist | :26:00. | :26:06. | |
saying winning the endorsement of a bunch of ageing rockers may show how | :26:07. | :26:11. | |
Jeremy Corbyn's worldview has not changed in three decades. A view | :26:12. | :26:16. | |
vehemently rejected by UB40. In the end, what we have proved is we were | :26:17. | :26:20. | |
right to be complaining about what they were doing during the Thatcher | :26:21. | :26:24. | |
period. They were deregulating the banks, they were selling off houses | :26:25. | :26:28. | |
and now those are the problems we are dealing with. We were right what | :26:29. | :26:33. | |
we said then and we are right now, it is obvious. And the band members | :26:34. | :26:37. | |
are not amused by any suggestion that a split among the original | :26:38. | :26:42. | |
members of UB40 could provide something of an awkward metaphor for | :26:43. | :26:46. | |
the future of Labour under a renewed Corbyn leadership. What a great | :26:47. | :26:54. | |
question! I don't think one has anything to do with the other, do | :26:55. | :27:00. | |
you? It wasn't really a split, so much as our lead singer left eight | :27:01. | :27:05. | |
years ago. We still UB40. The party could live on with different people. | :27:06. | :27:11. | |
Exactly. That is a novel idea. At the event, there was an unusual | :27:12. | :27:14. | |
sighting, a politician with a genuine interest in the Arts who | :27:15. | :27:18. | |
loves music when it has a political theme and when it moves him. We | :27:19. | :27:24. | |
associate music with times in your life. I got to love Caribbean music | :27:25. | :27:30. | |
in the 1960s when I worked in Jamaica RAF Marham years and that | :27:31. | :27:34. | |
taught me a thing about original reggae bands -- for eight years. One | :27:35. | :27:41. | |
is attracted to the music of some who have done great political | :27:42. | :27:47. | |
things, like Joan buyers with that incredible voice she has got. But | :27:48. | :27:53. | |
Corbyn's interest in music does have its limits. You secretly jealous of | :27:54. | :27:58. | |
Ed Balls and would you like to be in that bowtie and Strictly Come | :27:59. | :28:03. | |
Dancing? Within the confines and seclusion and privacy of this room, | :28:04. | :28:09. | |
can I let you and perhaps you will tell the others, I have absolutely | :28:10. | :28:14. | |
no desire whatsoever to go on Strictly Come Dancing! I wish Ed | :28:15. | :28:18. | |
Balls well. Our strictly star is out in London tonight celebrating the | :28:19. | :28:23. | |
publication of his memoirs in the presence of his new dance partner | :28:24. | :28:28. | |
and some once mighty figures in the Labour Party. They cut a small | :28:29. | :28:33. | |
figure these days, but one of their number, a retired musician, could | :28:34. | :28:36. | |
not help and barking on something of a battle of the bands. I don't think | :28:37. | :28:41. | |
there is a particular advantage in linking yourself to a particular | :28:42. | :28:48. | |
musical form. Let alone one that is about from 30 or 40 years ago. I | :28:49. | :28:55. | |
think Jeremy is dating himself a bit iffy is looking for UB40. UB40, Read | :28:56. | :29:03. | |
Read Wine is all I remember. And many of his critics would be saying | :29:04. | :29:08. | |
that they are hearing whining from Jeremy! I don't believe you. And in | :29:09. | :29:16. | |
a sign of how bitter this battle has become, Alan Johnson even suggested | :29:17. | :29:22. | |
that Jeremy Corbyn would have been on the wrong side of one of the | :29:23. | :29:25. | |
greatest musical debates of the modern era. Jeremy and I think a lot | :29:26. | :29:31. | |
of his supporters were the people he wanted Bob Dylann to stay with | :29:32. | :29:35. | |
blowing in the wind. And his harmonica he had around his neck. | :29:36. | :29:39. | |
And they booed and they jeered him when he brought out the electric | :29:40. | :29:45. | |
guitar. I was postal electric rather than the pre-electric. -- postal | :29:46. | :29:54. | |
electric. Our aged politicians know music has moved on since the 1980s. | :29:55. | :30:00. | |
Rudimentary has endorsed Jeremy Corbyn, perhaps giving him the edge | :30:01. | :30:04. | |
as Labour's tribes call to a new generation. | :30:05. | :30:09. | |
Well, with me is Lord Whitty, Larry Whitty, who was General | :30:10. | :30:12. | |
Secretary of the Labour Party for nine years during the last | :30:13. | :30:14. | |
Good evening. I wonder what you make of this current war? Well, we've | :30:15. | :30:26. | |
just seen a gentle film. I'm afraid the current war is pretty vicious. | :30:27. | :30:32. | |
The two sides seem incapable of reaching any compromise. I think | :30:33. | :30:35. | |
this slugging each other off has got to stop. I think once this contest | :30:36. | :30:41. | |
is over, we need to have a real review of where the Labour Party is | :30:42. | :30:46. | |
going and we need to do that very rapidly otherwise we are in very | :30:47. | :30:50. | |
serious difficulty. Who do you hold responsible for the state of the | :30:51. | :30:55. | |
party? Almost everybody. I think... I didn't vote for Jeremy. | :30:56. | :30:57. | |
I thought Jeremy should have been given more time. I wasn't in favour | :30:58. | :31:01. | |
of that hand fisted rolling coup we had in July. I also feel that some | :31:02. | :31:06. | |
of these problems are fairly long-term. We've had two basic | :31:07. | :31:14. | |
tendencies in the last few years. The leader's office has gained a | :31:15. | :31:20. | |
leader and the leader's office have gained power which started under | :31:21. | :31:24. | |
Tony Blair and has continued with Ed Miliband. Talking about Ed Miliband. | :31:25. | :31:30. | |
When Ed Miliband got rid of the elections to the Shadow Cabinet you | :31:31. | :31:34. | |
were against that and refused to take part? That wasn't the reason I | :31:35. | :31:40. | |
refused to take part, I refused to take part with his affiliation - Why | :31:41. | :31:45. | |
did you refuse to take part, I'm interested? The proposal he had on | :31:46. | :31:49. | |
the table on how we treat member affiliation and who is the electoral | :31:50. | :31:55. | |
college I didn't agree with. I still don't agree with it. In part, any | :31:56. | :32:02. | |
country, any party, has to have checks and balances. There are | :32:03. | :32:04. | |
different centres of power. Any large party is a coalition. We have | :32:05. | :32:08. | |
to recognise that. We are getting to a situation where is polarised. If | :32:09. | :32:14. | |
we get into a position where there are no checks and balances will one | :32:15. | :32:20. | |
side go. There will have to be a victor that will mean there will be | :32:21. | :32:23. | |
a split? I don't think we will get to that this. There is hope, at the | :32:24. | :32:26. | |
end of this contest, whoever wins the party will come to its senses. | :32:27. | :32:32. | |
Maybe some of the great movers and and shakers will intervene. It may | :32:33. | :32:39. | |
be them again, it might not. Last time round, the trade unions were on | :32:40. | :32:44. | |
the side of getting militant out. This time it's not that simple. It's | :32:45. | :32:53. | |
not that simple. Militant were ill filtrated to the party. We had a | :32:54. | :32:58. | |
split to the right with the SDLP going. We are in a similar situation | :32:59. | :33:01. | |
in terms of the way people are treating each other. I think this is | :33:02. | :33:05. | |
has been am playified because of the existence of social media. We need | :33:06. | :33:11. | |
to calm down and we need to look at - Is the social media issue can be | :33:12. | :33:15. | |
laid at Jeremy Corbyn's feet? I don't think it can be entirely led | :33:16. | :33:20. | |
at one side or the other. There are pretty vicious comments going in | :33:21. | :33:23. | |
both directions. In general it's been more associated with the | :33:24. | :33:28. | |
momentum side than with - individuals... You said the Labour | :33:29. | :33:31. | |
Party has to be for the white working-class. It has to be for the | :33:32. | :33:35. | |
liberal provesals and ethnic minorities. If it's not for that, do | :33:36. | :33:38. | |
you think Jeremy Corbyn can win an election? Could you think that | :33:39. | :33:41. | |
Jeremy Corbyn could be Prime Minister? I think Jeremy Corbyn | :33:42. | :33:43. | |
could become the Prime Minister if the party can pull it together. We | :33:44. | :33:47. | |
are not at present on course for that. Whether Owen or Jeremy wins in | :33:48. | :33:52. | |
a few weeks' time we have to get back on course. My message today is | :33:53. | :33:57. | |
really - the people who matter in the party, the members, if MPs have | :33:58. | :34:00. | |
to put this contest behind them and move forward. Thank you very much | :34:01. | :34:01. | |
indeed, Lord Whitty. The American comedian, | :34:02. | :34:13. | |
Amy Schumer, is on tour. All over the US, a few dates | :34:14. | :34:15. | |
in Europe, two in the UK Her screwball no-holds-barred US TV | :34:16. | :34:18. | |
sketch show, Inside Amy Schumer, has run for four seasons | :34:19. | :34:22. | |
and picked up two Emmys and an army of fans, | :34:23. | :34:24. | |
but she won a new audience last year with her self-penned movie, | :34:25. | :34:27. | |
Trainwreck, which was funny Now, she's written her first book, | :34:28. | :34:29. | |
a memoir and series of essays, The Girl with the Lower Back Tattoo, | :34:30. | :34:33. | |
which coincides with her big tour. Emily met her for a | :34:34. | :34:36. | |
woman-to-woman talk. Amy, it's OK, she grew up | :34:37. | :34:41. | |
during a different time. Tell him to start mowing the lawn | :34:42. | :34:58. | |
by the pool so it'll The bit in your book which really | :34:59. | :35:01. | |
struck a chord with me - and I haven't heard anyone | :35:02. | :35:06. | |
describe it, I don't think - was the introversion, | :35:07. | :35:10. | |
that women constantly feel it's up to them to fill the gaps and smooth | :35:11. | :35:17. | |
over the social awkwardness and just And I'm wondering about the moment | :35:18. | :35:20. | |
when you suddenly kind of went - oh, don't have to, | :35:21. | :35:26. | |
don't have to do that? Probably sooner than I | :35:27. | :35:29. | |
should have. Yeah, it was going to a wedding | :35:30. | :35:30. | |
with my boyfriend at the time and I just was in, like, | :35:31. | :35:36. | |
my mid-20s and just was like, I really hate | :35:37. | :35:39. | |
this and I can't do it. Like, I can't be this social | :35:40. | :35:47. | |
with this many people for this long. And then getting to a place | :35:48. | :35:50. | |
where I didn't think something was wrong with me and that I thought | :35:51. | :35:53. | |
it was OK and that I actually liked, I really liked that I know that | :35:54. | :35:57. | |
I needed time on my own to recharge. And do you say no | :35:58. | :36:08. | |
to more weddings now? I mean, they're just | :36:09. | :36:10. | |
events where you think, I cannot stand that, | :36:11. | :36:12. | |
I can't be there? I can't do a weekend, | :36:13. | :36:14. | |
a full weekend wedding. And my friends are still getting | :36:15. | :36:19. | |
married. Like, why are people | :36:20. | :36:21. | |
still doing this? You know, it's not just | :36:22. | :36:25. | |
affairs that are that big. It can be just the smalltalk | :36:26. | :36:28. | |
with someone in an elevator. Do you ever just say, | :36:29. | :36:33. | |
I'm just going to be Or I'll say, you know, | :36:34. | :36:35. | |
I really just can't talk Where is that, is it locking | :36:36. | :36:43. | |
yourself in a loo, or is it...? I've, like, sat in a Starbucks | :36:44. | :36:50. | |
bathroom and just sat on the floor Nobody was waiting, | :36:51. | :36:57. | |
so it wasn't rude. The girl who played me | :36:58. | :37:01. | |
as a little girl in Trainwreck, she's nine years old, | :37:02. | :37:03. | |
her name's Devon, and she came up to me at the premiere and she said, | :37:04. | :37:08. | |
"I overheard my agent tell my mom that my cheeks are too big, | :37:09. | :37:12. | |
so I don't get a lot of work. But then I thought, well, | :37:13. | :37:15. | |
my cheeks made me look like you and I'm so grateful | :37:16. | :37:17. | |
I have these cheeks." And so I just kind of leaned down | :37:18. | :37:21. | |
and I just said, you know, well, "What does | :37:22. | :37:26. | |
that mean, Devon?!" You probably go to, you know, | :37:27. | :37:28. | |
hundreds of awards ceremonies But whenever I do and I'm | :37:29. | :37:35. | |
kind of stuck there... And you see these speeches and I'm | :37:36. | :37:39. | |
always struck by the fact that women accept awards and the first thing | :37:40. | :37:46. | |
they do, quite often, is apologise. They apologise for not being funny, | :37:47. | :37:49. | |
they apologise for not They apologise for, | :37:50. | :37:51. | |
you know, this isn't I wonder what you make of that, | :37:52. | :37:54. | |
how did we get to that place? It's, I think, because so many | :37:55. | :38:01. | |
people hate women. I'd be on set and I'd want to give | :38:02. | :38:04. | |
a suggestion to Judd Apatow You talked yourself out | :38:05. | :38:16. | |
of it. I say sorry a lot less | :38:17. | :38:28. | |
than I probably should. If you said the name | :38:29. | :38:34. | |
Hillary Clinton in America, There will be those who love her, | :38:35. | :38:36. | |
there will be those Well, that's what I'm saying | :38:37. | :38:40. | |
with the not being informed. Because those people aren't | :38:41. | :38:44. | |
informed. If you go, why don't | :38:45. | :38:45. | |
you like Hillary? They'll go, she lied | :38:46. | :38:48. | |
about her e-mails, what else People get one fact | :38:49. | :38:50. | |
and that's what they latch I'm like, well, Donald Trump | :38:51. | :38:54. | |
has a fake college. Donald Trump doesn't | :38:55. | :39:02. | |
pay his workers. There's never been a nominee who's | :39:03. | :39:04. | |
ever not released their taxes. I haven't had a conversation | :39:05. | :39:13. | |
with anyone who doesn't like Hillary where they've had | :39:14. | :39:20. | |
anything meaningful to say. If it isn't Hillary in November, | :39:21. | :39:24. | |
does your act change, My act will change because I'll | :39:25. | :39:27. | |
need to learn to speak Spanish, because I'll move | :39:28. | :39:32. | |
to Spain, or somewhere. It's beyond my comprehension | :39:33. | :39:34. | |
if Trump won. The sort of Hollywood | :39:35. | :39:40. | |
portrayals of sex are very squeaky clean and romantic, | :39:41. | :40:19. | |
and the Amy Schumer portrayal of sex is that half | :40:20. | :40:22. | |
the time, it's quite crap. You know, you can be | :40:23. | :40:25. | |
quite lazy, nothing Yeah, I mean, I don't know the kind | :40:26. | :40:28. | |
of sex that you're having, but I'm showing the kind of sex that | :40:29. | :40:34. | |
I mostly have. If it's not, like, sex | :40:35. | :40:37. | |
within a relationship and you're sleeping with someone new, | :40:38. | :40:44. | |
most likely, it doesn't go well and something | :40:45. | :40:46. | |
weird or hurtful happens. And, yeah, there are just | :40:47. | :40:49. | |
these moments where you question yourself and - | :40:50. | :40:52. | |
what are you willing You say this is not | :40:53. | :40:54. | |
a self-help book, but it's You show women how | :40:55. | :41:03. | |
to masturbate. I had to figure it out | :41:04. | :41:06. | |
on my own when I was, like, older. Like, guys are jerking off | :41:07. | :41:15. | |
when they're like, I think, you know, maybe it speeds | :41:16. | :41:22. | |
them up a couple of years. I remember when I was 18 or 19, | :41:23. | :41:33. | |
this guy came to visit me. I'd met this guy in Montana | :41:34. | :41:36. | |
and he was, like, really cute and whimsy and a hiker and he came | :41:37. | :41:41. | |
and visited me in New York. And in that environment, | :41:42. | :41:44. | |
he was very gross. I was, like, 19 and - | :41:45. | :41:48. | |
oh, he flew all the way here, I'll just drink enough that my body | :41:49. | :41:55. | |
will, like, that I'll Because I felt like I owed him | :41:56. | :41:57. | |
something. And I think as a young woman, | :41:58. | :42:02. | |
you might get confused about that. So what I'm saying is, | :42:03. | :42:08. | |
like, you don't have to do anything you don't want to do and don't feel | :42:09. | :42:12. | |
you owe someone something. | :42:13. | :42:18. |