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We don't know what it is yet but we're here to find out. | :00:00. | :00:10. | |
We're with you right through the day here on BBC1 bringing you each | :00:11. | :00:14. | |
and every result as it happens in what's shaping up | :00:15. | :00:16. | |
to ba a remarkable Assembly election battle. | :00:17. | :00:21. | |
The outcome will determine the path of our politics | :00:22. | :00:23. | |
Will it be deal or deadlock; devolution or direct rule? | :00:24. | :00:49. | |
Results are already starting to come in. | :00:50. | :00:51. | |
The story we'll be bringing you today is not only about how | :00:52. | :00:54. | |
the parties may or may not be able to work together on the other | :00:55. | :00:58. | |
side of the election, it's also about the impact | :00:59. | :01:01. | |
of the reduction in the system of Assembly seats from 108 to 90. | :01:02. | :01:05. | |
It means a day of drama for all of us, as some big names | :01:06. | :01:08. | |
face the prospect of falling foul of that significant change. | :01:09. | :01:10. | |
Before we head off out and about to hear from our team | :01:11. | :01:13. | |
of reporters and correspondents across all the count centres, | :01:14. | :01:15. | |
let's bring you the very latest news with Donna Traynor. | :01:16. | :01:18. | |
The official turnout figure for the Assembly election is 64.78%. | :01:19. | :01:25. | |
That's up about 10% on the election last May. | :01:26. | :01:29. | |
The first declarations are expected this afternoon, | :01:30. | :01:32. | |
although the final make-up of the new Assembly | :01:33. | :01:34. | |
is unlikely to be clear until tomorrow afternoon. | :01:35. | :01:39. | |
I am joined from the Belfast count centre at Titanic by our political | :01:40. | :01:42. | |
A significant increase in turnout. Take us through the figures. Well, | :01:43. | :01:51. | |
it feels as if we have turned the clock back here in Northern Ireland | :01:52. | :01:54. | |
in terms of interest in this particular election because as you | :01:55. | :01:59. | |
say the 64% turnout is a full 10% higher than the Assembly election | :02:00. | :02:03. | |
ten months ago. There are striking figures across the constituencies, | :02:04. | :02:07. | |
if we look at them. My shell O'Neill's constituency in Mid Ulster | :02:08. | :02:11. | |
-- Michelle. 13% increase from the last time around. It was the same | :02:12. | :02:16. | |
story in West Tyrone, 13%. And there's been similar increases as | :02:17. | :02:20. | |
well across what we perceive to be Unionist constituencies. Strangford | :02:21. | :02:25. | |
where there is a great interest with seven MLAs vying for five seats, | :02:26. | :02:30. | |
there was 11% increase there in Strangford. Arlene Foster's | :02:31. | :02:35. | |
constituency, 9% point increase there, as well. You can see across | :02:36. | :02:39. | |
the board, across all the constituencies it looks as if voters | :02:40. | :02:45. | |
were mobilised to vote this time. What impact that will have in the | :02:46. | :02:49. | |
final shake down it's too early to say, but it adds that | :02:50. | :02:52. | |
unpredictability factor that was already there with the fewer number | :02:53. | :02:55. | |
of seats available. We are at an early stage. What are you hearing | :02:56. | :03:01. | |
about party representation? Well, if you look across the constituency | :03:02. | :03:05. | |
turnout, Sinn Fein, for instance, would say they're bullish about | :03:06. | :03:08. | |
their party's performance. The crucial factor is there are 18 fewer | :03:09. | :03:12. | |
seats to fill. For the parties it's about damage limitation. They're not | :03:13. | :03:16. | |
going to be banking gains here, it's about managing losses and Sinn Fein | :03:17. | :03:19. | |
say they're in a good position right now to ensure they keep their losses | :03:20. | :03:23. | |
to a minimum. The DUP, we can see they're starting to struggle in a | :03:24. | :03:26. | |
number of constituencies, which is to be expected, of course, the | :03:27. | :03:30. | |
larger party is going to lose more in the final shake down. Key for | :03:31. | :03:34. | |
them is going to stay above 30 seats, 31. If they do that they'll | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
consider it a pretty successful election. The SDLP vote it seems is | :03:40. | :03:46. | |
holding out but not so for the Ulster Unionists. It's very early | :03:47. | :03:51. | |
but the indications are it looks as if the Ulster Unionist vote might be | :03:52. | :03:55. | |
down. There is a lot at stake, not least for some high profile | :03:56. | :04:01. | |
candidates. Yes, there is 11 sitting MLAs standing in the election who | :04:02. | :04:08. | |
are guaranteed to lose seats. There is great drama, we know we will get | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
that, some names to look out, Nelson McCausland is in for a fight in | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
North Belfast to retain his seat. Emma Little-Pengelly in South | :04:19. | :04:22. | |
Belfast is goes to face a battle because we have had the tally | :04:23. | :04:26. | |
figures through and it looks as if her party colleague Christopher | :04:27. | :04:31. | |
Stalford has polled ahead of her and that could be crucial. We know for | :04:32. | :04:37. | |
Sinn Fein in East Antrim, Oliver McMullen. Jonathan Bell of course | :04:38. | :04:42. | |
the man who was central to the whole RHI crisis, looks as if he hasn't | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
polled very well in Strangford. He may well also lose his seat. There | :04:48. | :04:51. | |
is certain for Philip Smith in terms of whether or not he is going to | :04:52. | :04:54. | |
retain his seat. It looks as if there is going to be pain as we | :04:55. | :04:57. | |
expected shared among all the parties in this election. But we are | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
only five hours into the count, so a long way to go. The final make-up | :05:03. | :05:05. | |
won't be known until tomorrow afternoon. | :05:06. | :05:06. | |
Thank you. A man wanted over the murder | :05:07. | :05:09. | |
of the prison officer David Black Damien McLaughlin, who had failed | :05:10. | :05:11. | |
to answer to his bail in Northern Ireland, | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
was arrested yesterday I'm joined by our Dublin | :05:17. | :05:17. | |
correspondent Shane Harrison. Remind us about the background to | :05:18. | :05:30. | |
this case. In November 2012 David Black, a prison officer was ambushed | :05:31. | :05:37. | |
on his way to Maghaberry prison. He was the first prison officer to be | :05:38. | :05:41. | |
murdered in 20 years. A few days later a group calling itself the New | :05:42. | :05:49. | |
IRA said it was responsible. Damien McLaughlin was charged with aiding | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
and abetting that murder. He was on remand for a period but was given | :05:55. | :05:58. | |
bail in May 2014 and was due to stand trial last month but a court | :05:59. | :06:03. | |
hearing in January heard that he wasn't residing at the address he | :06:04. | :06:06. | |
was supposed to, under the terms of his bail conditions. Yesterday he | :06:07. | :06:12. | |
was arrested in County Donegal under the terms of a European arrest | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
warrant designed to make extradition easier in a joint Garda-PSNI | :06:17. | :06:22. | |
operation that was intelligence-led. What was said in court about the | :06:23. | :06:26. | |
circumstances surrounding his arrest? Well, a detective Garda | :06:27. | :06:30. | |
sergeant gave evidence that they did not know when they were arresting | :06:31. | :06:34. | |
him whether he was armed or not so he was handcuffed, he was dragged | :06:35. | :06:38. | |
from the car, he had his jumper pulled over him and he was | :06:39. | :06:44. | |
cable-tied. The same sergeant said that he was a flight risk and a | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
terrorist on the run. He was remanded in custody until March 20th | :06:49. | :06:52. | |
but he can apply for bail on March 13th. | :06:53. | :06:53. | |
. Significant quantities of human | :06:54. | :06:56. | |
remains have been discovered at the site of a former | :06:57. | :06:58. | |
mother-and-baby home in Tuam, County Galway. | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
Test excavations are being carried out by | :07:03. | :07:05. | |
a Commission of Investigation. It was set up following allegations | :07:06. | :07:10. | |
about the deaths of 800 babies It's believed the remains that have | :07:11. | :07:13. | |
been found range from those of unborn foetuses to infants aged | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
two to three years. A judge has ruled that the Northern | :07:19. | :07:25. | |
Ireland Executive has failed in its legal duty to adopt | :07:26. | :07:28. | |
an Irish language strategy. The group Conradh na Gaeilge had | :07:29. | :07:30. | |
challenged the Executive saying that a pledge made in the 2006 | :07:31. | :07:33. | |
St Andrew's Agreement and plans laid out last March should have | :07:34. | :07:38. | |
been adopted by now. This was a significant victory for | :07:39. | :07:51. | |
supporters of the Irish language. Today the judge ruled that the | :07:52. | :07:56. | |
Executive was in breach of a requirement imposed a decade ago. | :07:57. | :07:59. | |
The judge said the Executive had failed to adopt a strategy setting | :08:00. | :08:05. | |
out how it proposes to enhance and protect the Irish language in | :08:06. | :08:08. | |
Northern Ireland. He said it cannot have been the intention of | :08:09. | :08:10. | |
parliament that after nearly ten years from the coming into force of | :08:11. | :08:16. | |
the act in 2007 that this obligation should remain unfulfilled. He said | :08:17. | :08:20. | |
the required outcome is an adoption of the plans laid out. The Irish | :08:21. | :08:30. | |
language group which challenged the Executive Conradh Na Gaeilge said it | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
is historic. This obligation falls on somebody, it was on the Executive | :08:36. | :08:40. | |
primarily. Whether we go to direct rule or have a joint kind of | :08:41. | :08:43. | |
agreement between direct rule and the Assembly but the judge has | :08:44. | :08:47. | |
demanded of the parties that are responsible here they must bring | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
forward this Executive. As per their legal obligation. A a barrister | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
representing the Executive counted there had been inertia on the issue | :08:57. | :09:00. | |
and rejected any suggestion of a sham process. The judge says the | :09:01. | :09:05. | |
Executive remains the key body which has been at the centre of delivery | :09:06. | :09:08. | |
of Government in Northern Ireland and it can in the simply avoid doing | :09:09. | :09:10. | |
what the law requires. The biggest gas supplier | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
in Northern Ireland has Customers of SSE Airtricity | :09:16. | :09:17. | |
will see their bills go up by just over 7.5% from the end | :09:18. | :09:23. | |
of this month. Our economics and business editor | :09:24. | :09:26. | |
John Campbell is in the newsroom. This is all about the price of | :09:27. | :09:36. | |
energy on the global markets. For the past four or five years we have | :09:37. | :09:39. | |
been living through a period where energy prices have been flat or | :09:40. | :09:42. | |
falling. That's been reflected in people's bills. But over the last | :09:43. | :09:46. | |
year or so prices have been rising. I was checking this morning one of | :09:47. | :09:50. | |
those global indexes for gas prices and it shows they've risen more than | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
70% in the last year. For that reason SSE said they've had to | :09:55. | :09:58. | |
react. They're putting prices up by over 7. 5%. That will add about ?36 | :09:59. | :10:04. | |
a year to the typical household energy bill bringing the total bill | :10:05. | :10:08. | |
to around ?500 a year. They're emphasising that really this was | :10:09. | :10:11. | |
done because of the rising global prices and it's the first increase | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
they've had in four years but it is another sign as we look at the | :10:16. | :10:17. | |
general economy that inflation is returning. The prices of goods and | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
services are heading up and that's likely to be a trend that will | :10:22. | :10:23. | |
continue throughout this year. A High Court judge has ruled | :10:24. | :10:27. | |
that the PSNI lacks the necessary independence to oversee further | :10:28. | :10:30. | |
investigations into an alleged army killing in West Belfast | :10:31. | :10:34. | |
nearly 45 years ago. Jean Smyth was shot as she sat in | :10:35. | :10:38. | |
a car on the Glen Road in June 1972. Lawyers acting for the family | :10:39. | :10:42. | |
of Jean Smyth had claimed that documents uncovered | :10:43. | :10:46. | |
at the National Archives in London pointed towards undercover | :10:47. | :10:49. | |
soldiers from the army's Military Reaction Force | :10:50. | :10:52. | |
carrying out the shooting. Today a judge ruled that a proposed | :10:53. | :10:57. | |
investigation by the PSNI's Legacy Investigations Branch | :10:58. | :11:00. | |
would breach human Absolutely delighted. At least Jean | :11:01. | :11:11. | |
has some justice now. The family is just delighted. In respect of Jean's | :11:12. | :11:18. | |
family, we would say now that there are steps that have to be taken by | :11:19. | :11:26. | |
the PSNI to recluse themselves of any further involvement in the case | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
and steps need to be taken in terms of who is going - a decision about | :11:31. | :11:33. | |
who's going to investigate this murder. | :11:34. | :11:36. | |
Geoff Maskell has a weather forecast for us. | :11:37. | :11:42. | |
It is a wet day in a run of wet days at the Met Office has issued a | :11:43. | :11:50. | |
severe weather warning for rain coming into force from six o'clock | :11:51. | :11:56. | |
and it is not because it is terribly heavy, it will just go on for a long | :11:57. | :12:01. | |
time. This is the picture this afternoon, grey clouds, a very dull | :12:02. | :12:05. | |
end to the working week. Temperatures between six and 7 | :12:06. | :12:09. | |
degrees at best but a pretty miserable day. Through this even | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
England overnight, the rain is driven by low pressure sitting in | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
the Irish Sea, that will work northwards but the rain stays with | :12:19. | :12:22. | |
us overnight. Not as cold tonight as last night because of the cloud | :12:23. | :12:27. | |
cover but the weekend has a soggy start, the rain with us through the | :12:28. | :12:33. | |
morning. As that tracks north, we should see brighter and drier spells | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
in the East but we then open the door to the next area on Monday and | :12:38. | :12:44. | |
on Tuesday another low-pressure front bringing more rain. Sunday is | :12:45. | :12:49. | |
looking like the best of the next few days, still rain in the forecast | :12:50. | :12:54. | |
but between those showers, at least there will be brighter weather so a | :12:55. | :12:59. | |
chance to get outside on Sunday and on Monday, starting reasonably dry, | :13:00. | :13:02. | |
but not long before the rain threatens from the West. It is a | :13:03. | :13:06. | |
pretty soggy outlook for the next few days. That's it, back to Mark | :13:07. | :13:13. | |
Carruthers. Ten months ago, no one | :13:14. | :13:17. | |
could have predicted this. Last year's election came | :13:18. | :13:20. | |
after a political agreement But this election comes | :13:21. | :13:21. | |
after political disagreement, a fracture so big at Stormont, | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
in fact, that no one is quite sure Our reporters are live at every | :13:27. | :13:29. | |
count centre across Northern Ireland and as the day unfolds they'll be | :13:30. | :13:35. | |
bringing us all the developments as they happen and we'll hear | :13:36. | :13:38. | |
from them in a moment. And pulling together the results, | :13:39. | :13:41. | |
analysis and interviews with me is Tara Mills, | :13:42. | :13:45. | |
who's at the biggest count at the Titanic | :13:46. | :13:48. | |
Exhibition Centre in There was drama in how the election | :13:49. | :14:00. | |
was called and the campaign and the outcome will be on a knife edge for | :14:01. | :14:04. | |
many because the deal last time around was to cut the number of MLAs | :14:05. | :14:08. | |
in every constituency from six to only five. | :14:09. | :14:11. | |
That means some big names could have a very sudden retirement | :14:12. | :14:14. | |
We'll be down on the floor of the count centre to grab those | :14:15. | :14:18. | |
Our commentators will also be on hand with their take | :14:19. | :14:22. | |
and our resident election cartoonist Brian John Spencer returns with his | :14:23. | :14:24. | |
We have our panel here, of course, some may be quite glad they're | :14:25. | :14:37. | |
in the studio rather than waiting to hear their fate | :14:38. | :14:40. | |
There's so much to discuss, not only the strengths of the parties, | :14:41. | :14:44. | |
It's all about the numbers game, though, and keeping a close eye | :14:45. | :14:47. | |
as they come in is our political editor Mark Devenport. | :14:48. | :14:53. | |
This election is also about turnout and transfers. | :14:54. | :14:55. | |
As you have no doubt already heard, there's been quite an increase | :14:56. | :14:58. | |
Nicholas Whyte is our elections expert. | :14:59. | :15:05. | |
What do you make of this rise? Very interesting, turning out | :15:06. | :15:14. | |
consistently across the country, most in East Belfast, most in | :15:15. | :15:21. | |
Ulster. -- least in East Belfast. The one thing that is certain is if | :15:22. | :15:25. | |
there are more votes, it will take longer to kind. -- kind. | :15:26. | :15:29. | |
And transfers, they've always been a part of elections to the Assembly | :15:30. | :15:32. | |
but what about Mike Nesbitt's decision to give his | :15:33. | :15:34. | |
How many voters followed his lead to give a second | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
We'll examine each stage of the vote in every constituency. | :15:39. | :15:43. | |
This is what it is all about, seats in the chamber and here is a | :15:44. | :15:50. | |
reminder of how things looked at the last election when 108 MLAs were | :15:51. | :15:56. | |
elected. This is smaller with only 90 seats up for grabs and some | :15:57. | :16:00. | |
politicians are going to be very disappointed. Who will fill these | :16:01. | :16:07. | |
empty benches? Any party, if they get more than 30 seats, and will | :16:08. | :16:11. | |
watch closely as the new chamber takes place. -- takes shape. | :16:12. | :16:13. | |
So, let's get down to the individual constituencies. | :16:14. | :16:16. | |
There are 18 of them and Strangford is normally one | :16:17. | :16:19. | |
We'll be hearing a lot from our political correspondent | :16:20. | :16:23. | |
Stephen Walker today, I imagine. | :16:24. | :16:26. | |
There is a lot of big beasts going for those five seats. We have seven | :16:27. | :16:36. | |
sitting MLAs and just five seats, they cannot all win? No, obviously | :16:37. | :16:42. | |
seven trying to get in with only five seats and DUP are looking the | :16:43. | :16:49. | |
happiest because it looks like Michelle McIlveen and Simon Hamilton | :16:50. | :16:53. | |
will get in and Mike Nesbitt for the Ulster Unionists and Paul Wells of | :16:54. | :16:56. | |
the Alliance, it is a battle for the fifth seed, between Philip Smith and | :16:57. | :17:02. | |
Peter Weir, with Peter Weir in the ascendancy and Jonathan Bell has not | :17:03. | :17:07. | |
done enough, so the DUP look happiest in Strangford and in terms | :17:08. | :17:10. | |
of North Down, we have had some results. Alan Chambers has been | :17:11. | :17:16. | |
collected, Stephen Farry and Alex Easton elected. Three from those | :17:17. | :17:21. | |
five, no great surprises from North Down but the big story will be in | :17:22. | :17:25. | |
Strangford and we know can go to Keiron Tourish. The big story at the | :17:26. | :17:33. | |
foil arena is the turnout. Turnout here is 10% and East Londonderry up | :17:34. | :17:39. | |
by 12% so that is quite significant. How can that play out in the | :17:40. | :17:45. | |
election? The big news is that the outgoing Deputy First Minister | :17:46. | :17:48. | |
Martin McGuinness is not standing due to ill-health but he will hope | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
that his two party colleagues retain those seats for Sinn Fein and the | :17:54. | :17:57. | |
SDLP leader Colum Eastwood will be fairly confident they can retain | :17:58. | :18:02. | |
their two seats and the most impressive -- and present unionist | :18:03. | :18:06. | |
showing has been Gary Middleton for the DUP and he will be hopeful of | :18:07. | :18:10. | |
keeping his seat. Where does that leave Eamonn McCann? It just goes to | :18:11. | :18:15. | |
prove that the last seat here in Foyle will be a very big scramble | :18:16. | :18:20. | |
for the last seat. And people in the Eamonn McCann camp are worried. It | :18:21. | :18:26. | |
is early days. In East Londonderry, again, all to play for, three DUP | :18:27. | :18:32. | |
MLA 's have those seats, one each for the SDLP and Sinn Fein and the | :18:33. | :18:37. | |
outgoing Justice Minister Claire Sugden will hope to get re-elected | :18:38. | :18:41. | |
and finish the job. We will have to watch those final two seats in those | :18:42. | :18:47. | |
constituencies. Over two David Maxwell in Titanic. Welcome to the | :18:48. | :18:55. | |
Titanic Exhibition Centre, only one announcement, cheering in West | :18:56. | :19:01. | |
Belfast or the election of order he flown. I knew candidate, she | :19:02. | :19:06. | |
replaced Jennifer McCann. Sinn Fein say that they took more first | :19:07. | :19:10. | |
preference votes for all four candidates than People Before | :19:11. | :19:15. | |
Profit's Gerry Campbell, who topped the poll last time, he is confident | :19:16. | :19:21. | |
and time will tell. Alex Attwood of the SDLP is very vulnerable in that | :19:22. | :19:26. | |
constituency. Interesting stories, South Belfast is just behind me. We | :19:27. | :19:32. | |
thought that would be a run-off between the DUP's Christopher | :19:33. | :19:36. | |
Stalford and Clare Bailey from the Green Party but a lot of people are | :19:37. | :19:40. | |
saying that Emma Little-Pengelly is vulnerable. And Belfast East, strong | :19:41. | :19:47. | |
DUP constituency. It is thought that one of those seats will go, senior | :19:48. | :19:53. | |
sources indicate that it could be Robin Newton. And looking to North | :19:54. | :19:58. | |
Belfast, everything to play for here. Nichola Mallon and Caral Ni | :19:59. | :20:05. | |
Chuillin vulnerable but very interestingly, we think that Nelson | :20:06. | :20:11. | |
McCausland could also be vulnerable. Time will tell, it took 11 stages | :20:12. | :20:16. | |
for the final result last time so we could be here for a very long time | :20:17. | :20:23. | |
indeed. Julian Fowler is in Omagh. In the west the turnout was highest | :20:24. | :20:29. | |
once again, Fermanagh and South go in at 73% and West Tyrone at 70%, | :20:30. | :20:34. | |
the DUP leader Arlene Foster recently arrived and is hoping to | :20:35. | :20:44. | |
retain her strong personal vote. She topped the poll in Fermanagh-South | :20:45. | :20:46. | |
Tyrone last time around and that was enough to get Maurice Morrow across | :20:47. | :20:52. | |
the line. With two DUP candidates. Both DUP and Sinn Fein say they have | :20:53. | :20:58. | |
been polling strongly in East constituency, Sinn Fein hoping to | :20:59. | :21:03. | |
win three seats in each and that could be bad news for the Ulster | :21:04. | :21:07. | |
Unionists, they are the most nervous party here. They could lose both | :21:08. | :21:14. | |
seats in Fermanagh South Tyrone held by Rosemary Barton and the seat in | :21:15. | :21:20. | |
West Tyrone also. An interesting point about the increased turnout, | :21:21. | :21:24. | |
the quotas are also up, the amount of votes needed for the candidates | :21:25. | :21:29. | |
to get over the line, by around 2000 in each constituency which means | :21:30. | :21:33. | |
transfers will come into play. In West Tyrone there are 18 candidates | :21:34. | :21:40. | |
standing and last year we took until Saturday before we got the first | :21:41. | :21:43. | |
result so it looks like another long kind is on the cards in Omagh. Thank | :21:44. | :21:53. | |
you. Welcome to what we refer to as the big table in the studio. And let | :21:54. | :22:00. | |
me introduce the guests. The first set of guests throughout this | :22:01. | :22:06. | |
marathon date of broadcasting is Tom Elliott, the former Ulster Unionist | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
Party leader and MP for Fermanagh-South Tyrone, Jeffrey | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
Donaldson, DUP MP for Lagan Valley, Stephen grimacing, former director | :22:15. | :22:17. | |
of Communications for the Executive and in a previous life was Political | :22:18. | :22:21. | |
Editor here in BBC Northern Ireland. We have had many conversations! And | :22:22. | :22:30. | |
we also have Catriona Ruane, who did not stand again for election but was | :22:31. | :22:34. | |
the Sinn Fein MLA for South Down. Welcome. You have been looking at | :22:35. | :22:39. | |
their tablets and films and checking out the results and talking to | :22:40. | :22:41. | |
friends and colleagues on the ground. Jeffrey Donaldson, picking | :22:42. | :22:48. | |
up on what we heard from some of my colleagues, these are straws in the | :22:49. | :22:54. | |
wind. I make no bones. Maybe Nelson McCausland is not doing as well as | :22:55. | :22:59. | |
some people thought? Emma Little-Pengelly, perhaps in a bit of | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
trouble in South Belfast. What is your general reading of where we are | :23:05. | :23:12. | |
at this stage? Firstly, we must recall the number of seats are | :23:13. | :23:18. | |
reducing so with the DUP holding three seats in a constituency, it | :23:19. | :23:23. | |
becomes a mountain to climb to hold three seats and inevitably there are | :23:24. | :23:29. | |
casualties. South Belfast, we took for the first time two seats last | :23:30. | :23:33. | |
year so it was always going to be difficult to hold those with the | :23:34. | :23:37. | |
reduction and overall the voters holding well. I think it is going to | :23:38. | :23:45. | |
be tight between the DUP and Sinn Fein as to who emerges as the | :23:46. | :23:49. | |
largest party, no doubt Sinn Fein are polling well in the | :23:50. | :23:52. | |
constituencies where they are strong and the DUP vote is holding up in | :23:53. | :23:56. | |
constituencies where we are strong and that is borne out by the early | :23:57. | :24:06. | |
declarations. Jim Wells, standing in South Down, says that he believes | :24:07. | :24:10. | |
the DUP will end up under the magic number of 30 and this will not | :24:11. | :24:15. | |
surprise you, that is the fault of the media? Do you agree? The media | :24:16. | :24:24. | |
do not vote. We do have a vote. We have been listening carefully to | :24:25. | :24:27. | |
what people have been saying on the doorsteps and there is no doubt | :24:28. | :24:31. | |
there is a lot of anger and the one thing I will say very clearly that | :24:32. | :24:37. | |
has come across to me is the body is voting for the collapse of Stormont, | :24:38. | :24:43. | |
everybody I spoke to, whatever their political persuasion, they want | :24:44. | :24:45. | |
Stormont up and running quickly, they realise there are big decisions | :24:46. | :24:50. | |
coming to be taken, not least in relation to Brexit, the economy and | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
dealing with the legacy of the troubled past. They want the parties | :24:56. | :25:04. | |
back, sorting these issues out. Whatever the political integration | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
of the results, I have no doubt that what people are voting for is for | :25:09. | :25:13. | |
Stormont to work. Catriona Ruane, at this stage, just a couple of | :25:14. | :25:19. | |
results. Or he Flynn in West Belfast. -- or a Flynn. And with | :25:20. | :25:26. | |
three candidates, second, third and fourth. And you have more Gilles in | :25:27. | :25:34. | |
South Belfast. I don't have the raw numbers. -- Mairtin O'Muilleoir. He | :25:35. | :25:46. | |
is past the quarter, just over 7000. Perhaps not quite the weight you are | :25:47. | :25:50. | |
expected to be? This is obviously a good election for Sinn Fein. You can | :25:51. | :25:58. | |
say that already? I was doing the South Down tally earlier on today | :25:59. | :26:04. | |
and I can see there has been an increased turnout and I can see from | :26:05. | :26:08. | |
particular constituencies that we are doing well and the interesting | :26:09. | :26:13. | |
thing is Lord of the women are doing very well. Topping the poll, as we | :26:14. | :26:18. | |
know, is not what Sinn Fein is about, it is vote management and | :26:19. | :26:21. | |
every party is not looking at topping the poll, it is managing the | :26:22. | :26:25. | |
vote. Mairtin O'Muilleoir must be happy he topped the poll? You manage | :26:26. | :26:32. | |
that vote very well in West Belfast? The key thing is managing the vote. | :26:33. | :26:37. | |
Can I just say, as we sit here, all of us, one of our colleagues, PJ | :26:38. | :26:44. | |
Bradley, is being buried this morning and we all want to give our | :26:45. | :26:52. | |
condolences to the family. It has been a difficult time for Sinead | :26:53. | :26:56. | |
Bradley, who has been a candidate and colour, and I want to say that | :26:57. | :26:59. | |
and I am sure everybody else will join me. | :27:00. | :27:02. | |
I am sure people would echo those sentiments it is a difficult time | :27:03. | :27:09. | |
for Sinead Bradley. You will know her well. She must have mixed | :27:10. | :27:12. | |
emotions today hoping she will be returned into the seat that was her | :27:13. | :27:16. | |
father's seat in the past. And she's had to lay him to rest this morning. | :27:17. | :27:21. | |
Yesterday she went to vote in the polling station. But getting back to | :27:22. | :27:25. | |
the results. I think we will have a good election today. I think it's | :27:26. | :27:29. | |
because of hard work, it's because of focussing on what needs to be | :27:30. | :27:34. | |
done. Tom Elliott, I suspect you are going to have to take a slightly | :27:35. | :27:39. | |
different tack. We were hearing from Enda Mc Clafferty again. It's early | :27:40. | :27:43. | |
to be definitive about this but it looks like it might be the day your | :27:44. | :27:48. | |
party leader Mike Nesbitt and Steve akin the other day on BBC Radio | :27:49. | :27:53. | |
Ulster was predicting would be a red letter day for the Ulster Unionist | :27:54. | :27:56. | |
party, you would be the main unionist party and would have more | :27:57. | :27:59. | |
seats than Sinn Fein. Can you say at this stage that isn't going to | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
happen? Well, obviously the mist is still there, Mark in almost all the | :28:05. | :28:08. | |
areas we have early results in, as you highlighted. But yes, it's | :28:09. | :28:12. | |
unlikely we are going to be the largest party. That's quite clear. | :28:13. | :28:17. | |
But obviously during an election campaign you battle for every vote | :28:18. | :28:20. | |
you can get. It's unfortunate we had to have this election at this time. | :28:21. | :28:26. | |
I think it has been a diversion from the situation. I have no idea why | :28:27. | :28:31. | |
Sinn Fein actually put it to the test at this time simply because at | :28:32. | :28:35. | |
an early stage in December they didn't appear to want to pressurise | :28:36. | :28:40. | |
the matter at now. All of a sudden, whether it was from pressure from | :28:41. | :28:44. | |
their own back bench people or whether they had done private | :28:45. | :28:47. | |
polling, I have no idea, but they obviously pushed a button to have | :28:48. | :28:55. | |
the election. OK. We want to hear from our reporters out on the | :28:56. | :29:00. | |
ground. Two interesting counts happening, Mid Ulster and North | :29:01. | :29:08. | |
Antrim. Our reporter is at the In Ballymena for us. What can you tell | :29:09. | :29:15. | |
us? Yes, they're trying to announce the quota here. This is Mid Ulster, | :29:16. | :29:20. | |
it's a strong republican nationalist area. The vote was a huge jump of | :29:21. | :29:27. | |
14% this time. Sinn Fein's leader in storm, Michelle O'Neill, is based | :29:28. | :29:33. | |
here and she arrived here to great applause from supporters. It | :29:34. | :29:40. | |
stretches from Maghera. In May all four nationalists in this | :29:41. | :29:45. | |
Three Sinn Fein, one sdlapd, one DUP, and one U. P. Now Sinn Fein say | :29:46. | :29:51. | |
they're managing their vote very well so they hope to get those three | :29:52. | :29:56. | |
Sinn Fein candidates back again. Patsy McGloen seems to be in a | :29:57. | :30:00. | |
strong position. That leaves a problem between the two unionists, | :30:01. | :30:04. | |
the one DUP and one UUP. We are hearing that the DUP's Keith | :30:05. | :30:09. | |
Buchanan looks in a strong position so that could leave the UUP Sandra | :30:10. | :30:18. | |
Overend in a vulnerable position. North Antrim, which is a mirror | :30:19. | :30:24. | |
image of Mid Ulster, because it is a strong DUP stronghold. Three DUP, | :30:25. | :30:30. | |
one UUP, one TUV. One Sinn Fein here. 10% rise in the turnout here. | :30:31. | :30:39. | |
It's a Paisley heartland. Ian Paisley skaup junior has | :30:40. | :30:42. | |
Last time it elected all five unionists including the TUV leader | :30:43. | :30:56. | |
Jim Allister. Jim Allister looks pretty strong. He has decided to run | :30:57. | :31:02. | |
with his colleague this time Timothy Gaston. It may have reduced his vote | :31:03. | :31:15. | |
this time. One Sinn Fein seat was drafted in after Daithi McKay. He | :31:16. | :31:20. | |
still has a strong vote here in the North Antrim constituency. Over now | :31:21. | :31:26. | |
to Lisburn. Two counts taking place here in | :31:27. | :31:32. | |
Lisburn. One predominantly unionist Lagan valley, the other nationalist | :31:33. | :31:35. | |
South Down. The indications are it will be the same story in respect of | :31:36. | :31:39. | |
the losers in each constituency, all the pointers being it will be the | :31:40. | :31:43. | |
Ulster Unionists who will lose the 6th seat in each of those | :31:44. | :31:48. | |
constituencies. First to Lagan valley, the DUP are confident of | :31:49. | :31:54. | |
returning three MLAs with Paul Givan, as last time, likely to top | :31:55. | :32:02. | |
the poll here. Robbie Butler of the Ulster Unionists looks like he is | :32:03. | :32:06. | |
polling better than Jenny Palmer, it could be her that loses the 6th seat | :32:07. | :32:11. | |
with alliance taking the other seat. In South Down, it looks like two | :32:12. | :32:17. | |
Sinn Fein, two SDLPed and Jim Wells of the DUP, again the Ulster | :32:18. | :32:21. | |
Unionists tipped to lose a seat there. Harald McKee could be out the | :32:22. | :32:27. | |
door rather quickly. We are about 30 minutes away from official first | :32:28. | :32:30. | |
preference vote declarations here but that is the mood music coming | :32:31. | :32:34. | |
out of Lisburn. Over to my colleague now in Banbridge. | :32:35. | :32:42. | |
Well, two constituencies counted here, Upper Bann and Newry and | :32:43. | :32:46. | |
Armagh. The turnout figures are both well up. Upper Bann at 62%. Up 8% | :32:47. | :32:52. | |
points. Newry and Armagh 69%, up 10%. The quotas will be roughly | :32:53. | :32:57. | |
around the 9,000 mark. Give or take a couple of hundred votes. Last time | :32:58. | :33:02. | |
this was two DUP, two UUP and two Sinn Fein. If the DUP can hold both | :33:03. | :33:07. | |
of their seats and they seem confident they can, then it looks | :33:08. | :33:11. | |
like one of those Ulster Unionist seats will very much be in jeopardy. | :33:12. | :33:15. | |
On the nationalist side a lot of interest here on whether or not | :33:16. | :33:21. | |
Dolores Kelly can take back a seat she lost to Sinn Fein by 168 votes. | :33:22. | :33:25. | |
There had been vote management issues for Sinn Fein in this | :33:26. | :33:29. | |
constituency, John O Dowd polling stronger in areas where Sinn Fein | :33:30. | :33:32. | |
would have preferred to see his running mate coming through. In | :33:33. | :33:39. | |
Newry and Armagh, it was three Sinn Fein last time. People may think | :33:40. | :33:43. | |
Sinn Fein holding three, given the reconfiguration of the seats, might | :33:44. | :33:46. | |
be a big ask. But it seems to be on. They seem to be confident. If that | :33:47. | :33:52. | |
happens, it looks like Danny Kennedy could be in big trouble here | :33:53. | :33:57. | |
potentially because looking at the other unionist candidate of the DUP, | :33:58. | :34:02. | |
he is all thumbs up and big smiles, he seems to think that he over now | :34:03. | :34:13. | |
to Ita. Turnout in South and East Antrim up | :34:14. | :34:23. | |
around 10 Persian too. -- The question this time around is can the | :34:24. | :34:29. | |
DUP hold on to three? The first count is in. David Hild was elected | :34:30. | :34:38. | |
after the first count last year. The Ulster Unionist Roy Beggs is doing | :34:39. | :34:42. | |
very well. The alliance Stuart Dickson is hoping that his name is | :34:43. | :34:48. | |
on his seat again. It could be two DUP and one UUP battling out for two | :34:49. | :34:54. | |
seats here. Sinn Fein's Oliver McMullin may well be vulnerable. | :34:55. | :35:00. | |
Over to South Antrim and all six winners in the 2016 elections are | :35:01. | :35:05. | |
standing again. It could be said can the DUP hold on to three? The first | :35:06. | :35:11. | |
count is in here again. But no one past the quota. It looks like Paul | :35:12. | :35:19. | |
Girvam and Trevor Clarke will be battling for those seats. Sinn | :35:20. | :35:23. | |
Fein's Declan Kearney lacks like he will be the republican | :35:24. | :35:27. | |
representative in this constituency. The Ulster Unionist receive aKen has | :35:28. | :35:32. | |
his eye on a seat, as well. And the former justice Minister David Ford | :35:33. | :35:36. | |
has done very well this time around on first preferences. That's it for | :35:37. | :35:40. | |
South and East Antrim, back to the studio. | :35:41. | :35:44. | |
Thank you very much. Let's hear more from my panel here. I want to bring | :35:45. | :35:48. | |
in Stephen, former political editor for BBC Northern Ireland. A word | :35:49. | :35:53. | |
about turnout, first of all. I wonder what you make of that. 65%, | :35:54. | :35:59. | |
it was 55%, ten months ago, last May. That's a 10% point increase, | :36:00. | :36:04. | |
although in raw percentage terms it's an increase of a whopping 18%, | :36:05. | :36:10. | |
18% more people came out to vote now than voted last May. It's a very | :36:11. | :36:16. | |
significant figure. We have some sense of what's happening on the | :36:17. | :36:19. | |
ground in some constituencies, but what's your reading of what might be | :36:20. | :36:24. | |
about to unfold today and tomorrow? The question is where do those | :36:25. | :36:28. | |
people come from and have they been scared out or have they been | :36:29. | :36:34. | |
aggravated out? If you think of it, the early hints we are getting and | :36:35. | :36:39. | |
it's early stages is that Sinn Fein's vote has come up, so there is | :36:40. | :36:44. | |
an aggravation factor Sinn Fein have tapped into. Also we are hearing | :36:45. | :36:49. | |
that while the Ulster Unionists will struggle here, the Alliance Party | :36:50. | :36:52. | |
have polled strongly. David Ford there doing very well. He was not in | :36:53. | :36:57. | |
that position a year ago at the early stages. So, it's a question, | :36:58. | :37:03. | |
the dynamics of this election, RHI, respect, all that sort of stuff, is | :37:04. | :37:07. | |
coming out now in the vote, I suspect. That engagement, if you | :37:08. | :37:13. | |
look at what happened with the viewing figures for the debates, | :37:14. | :37:18. | |
they were hugely up, there is some sense of engagement. An appetite for | :37:19. | :37:22. | |
it? An interesting in politics, whether it is because in terms of | :37:23. | :37:27. | |
the DUP were very much putting out the bogeyman of Gerry Adams, but by | :37:28. | :37:30. | |
the same token Sinn Fein were saying this is about giving us equality and | :37:31. | :37:34. | |
respect and we need to move on with that agenda. We have some winners of | :37:35. | :37:44. | |
course already at this early stage. Elisha McCallion has got in on the | :37:45. | :37:50. | |
first count. Does that surprise you? Well, Elisha is very popular. A | :37:51. | :37:56. | |
former mayor. Mayor of Derry. Also I think, I mean, right across the | :37:57. | :38:00. | |
north of Ireland, indeed across the island of Ireland, huge support and | :38:01. | :38:04. | |
sympathy for mar begin McGuinness. -- Martin. Emwere just saying he had | :38:05. | :38:10. | |
given so much, such a states person. I just think a lot of people, you | :38:11. | :38:15. | |
were saying about aggravation, what I got on the doors and I was at | :38:16. | :38:20. | |
thousands of them, just the lack of respect for things, it's not even | :38:21. | :38:24. | |
just the Irish language, the way it was talked about. The lack of | :38:25. | :38:27. | |
respect for in many cases rights for people. The lack of respect for the | :38:28. | :38:34. | |
LGBT community, that lack of respect was an issue that came up time and | :38:35. | :38:41. | |
again on the doors. The other thing I think, there is a reignition of | :38:42. | :38:44. | |
people interested in politics. I think it's because we have more | :38:45. | :38:49. | |
diversity in politics. We have women leaders, it's not male, pale and | :38:50. | :38:55. | |
grey like the past. We have women of all ages. It's really exciting time | :38:56. | :39:00. | |
in politics. You mentioned that a number of women had been successful. | :39:01. | :39:04. | |
A number of Sinn Fein women candidates, in particular. We were | :39:05. | :39:10. | |
talking about Elisha McCallion. I am glad to say she can join us now from | :39:11. | :39:16. | |
the count in Derry. Can you hear us? Congratulations. No, she can't hear | :39:17. | :39:20. | |
us. Looks like she's having a conversation with one of our team | :39:21. | :39:27. | |
there. OK. We will leave that. When we manage to establish contact we | :39:28. | :39:31. | |
will hear from her. She's obviously almost ready to talk to us but not | :39:32. | :39:36. | |
quite ready. A quick thought from Tom Elliott | :39:37. | :39:40. | |
maybe. We often think during election campaigns it is nationalism | :39:41. | :39:43. | |
versus unionism. When you break it down it can be a battle within | :39:44. | :39:47. | |
nationalism and within unionism, isn't that right? There are | :39:48. | :39:50. | |
different elections happening at the one time. There are and it's the | :39:51. | :39:55. | |
same all over, it's been the same forever and a day in Northern | :39:56. | :39:57. | |
Ireland, it's not going to change quickly. There is a battle within | :39:58. | :40:00. | |
unionism and a battle within nationalism but then you have the | :40:01. | :40:03. | |
broader battle and constitutional issue that we always had, | :40:04. | :40:08. | |
constitutional battle between unionism and nationalism. But, maybe | :40:09. | :40:11. | |
slowly we are moving away from that because we have our own Assembly, | :40:12. | :40:15. | |
because we have our own Executive people are more focussed on | :40:16. | :40:19. | |
day-to-day issues now. Health, education and it is interesting one | :40:20. | :40:23. | |
of the biggest aspects that we got around the doors was health. Major | :40:24. | :40:26. | |
health issues, long waiting lists, but it doesn't seem to have | :40:27. | :40:30. | |
resonated into the votes. There is a gap there. OK. We will come back to | :40:31. | :40:40. | |
pick up on that. I think Elisha can now hear us. Congratulations. Thank | :40:41. | :40:46. | |
you very much, Mark. I am looking at the figures, you topped the poll. | :40:47. | :40:52. | |
9205 first preferences, how much of that was down to former mayor of | :40:53. | :40:57. | |
Derry, very well known in your own right and some people are saying the | :40:58. | :41:03. | |
fact that you are taking over where Martin McGuinness left off? Well, I | :41:04. | :41:08. | |
think the politics of the day was the winner and very clearly what we | :41:09. | :41:12. | |
heard on the door of the entire campaign is that people understood | :41:13. | :41:15. | |
our politics and accepted it and appreciated it. Whilst there may be | :41:16. | :41:21. | |
an element of individualism, I think on the whole the party and its | :41:22. | :41:25. | |
stance and stand up against corruption and integrity and indeed | :41:26. | :41:28. | |
the stand that Martin McGuinness took in January has fed us well. | :41:29. | :41:33. | |
When you look at the numbers does it look like you will hold your two | :41:34. | :41:37. | |
seats, the SDLP will hold two, and the DUP will get one, so the loser | :41:38. | :41:43. | |
would be Eamoning man, is that how you read it. ? | :41:44. | :41:48. | |
It is hard to say, it is fair to say that it is likely that ourselves and | :41:49. | :41:56. | |
the SDLP will have two seats and for the final set, but remains to be | :41:57. | :42:01. | |
seen and I would not want to call Matt. We're fairly confident that | :42:02. | :42:05. | |
Raymond McCartney and myself will be elected shortly. You broke your arm? | :42:06. | :42:13. | |
What were you doing? I was running after my children and I have been | :42:14. | :42:17. | |
running around on the campaign for five days with a broken arm | :42:18. | :42:23. | |
unbeknownst to myself. Make sure you don't leave that count centre | :42:24. | :42:28. | |
without Eamonn McCann signing it! We will talk to you later. Thank you | :42:29. | :42:34. | |
for that. We can crunch the numbers, they are coming in and we need some | :42:35. | :42:38. | |
number crunching. Analysis from Mark Devenport. This increased turnout, | :42:39. | :42:46. | |
there is a mixture of factors that might have built into this but | :42:47. | :42:49. | |
clearly one of those was the Renewable Heat Incentive saga and if | :42:50. | :42:55. | |
we look at one constituency where there are many personalities | :42:56. | :43:00. | |
involved and that, it has to be Strangford, where Jonathan Bell, the | :43:01. | :43:03. | |
former DUP minister who gave that remarkable interview on the BBC, was | :43:04. | :43:07. | |
standing and the place were Simon Hamilton while standing and the | :43:08. | :43:12. | |
Ulster Unionist leader Mike Nesbitt. Let us look at the figures in | :43:13. | :43:18. | |
Strangford. It always was a DUP stronghold and they remain at the | :43:19. | :43:24. | |
top with nearly 40% but we can look at what has happened on the change. | :43:25. | :43:31. | |
What do you make of that? The DUP vote is down and the Alliance vote | :43:32. | :43:36. | |
is up, this is what we have seen in all of the declared constituencies, | :43:37. | :43:41. | |
the DUP have taken a small head over recent issues but not as big as some | :43:42. | :43:46. | |
thought and a vote for independence -- independence is down. And in | :43:47. | :43:51. | |
terms of personalities. Simon Hamilton topping the poll, | :43:52. | :43:56. | |
previously he was not a great vote getter for the DUP but whether they | :43:57. | :44:00. | |
have changed territorially or something has happened, he was | :44:01. | :44:04. | |
associated with the recent develops -- developments in relation to RHI. | :44:05. | :44:13. | |
Not all news is bad news. His increased public profile has helped | :44:14. | :44:17. | |
and interesting we have three DUP in the top five with only five being | :44:18. | :44:22. | |
elected and in sixth place, perennial runner-up Joe Boyle, SDLP | :44:23. | :44:27. | |
runners-up in every Assembly election in Strangford since 98 and | :44:28. | :44:30. | |
this will be no exception. Is it fair to say that four of these are | :44:31. | :44:38. | |
certain, Michelle Michael Flynn, Kellie Armstrong and Mike Nesbitt | :44:39. | :44:42. | |
and the fifth place, can we call that? Nobody can catch Phil -- Peter | :44:43. | :44:50. | |
Weir? The loss of Philip Smith? He would need to make 1000 votes and I | :44:51. | :44:59. | |
do not see that happening. West Belfast, we have an early | :45:00. | :45:03. | |
declaration of Orlaithi Flynn, the new MLA, elected. This has been a | :45:04. | :45:11. | |
case where Sinn Fein has energised the vote, people dressed up in | :45:12. | :45:15. | |
crocodile uniforms going to the polls and Arlene Foster has been a | :45:16. | :45:18. | |
good recruiting sergeant in these areas for Sinn Fein. Sinn Fein | :45:19. | :45:27. | |
nearly 62% and what has happened... People Before Profit did very well | :45:28. | :45:30. | |
last time around in this constituency. Any thoughts on that? | :45:31. | :45:38. | |
Massive increase for Sinn Fein, the vote is up across the board, in all | :45:39. | :45:42. | |
seven constituencies we have seen, as with the Alliance. People Before | :45:43. | :45:50. | |
Profit, supporters said they would get a second MLA in West Belfast? | :45:51. | :45:54. | |
They would need a lot more votes. And the personalities... They have | :45:55. | :46:00. | |
managed to balance the vote, Sinn Fein. Will they get all four? More | :46:01. | :46:07. | |
likely than not and the alternative would be if enough transfers go to | :46:08. | :46:09. | |
Alex Attwood from the smaller parties to pull ahead of the DUP. I | :46:10. | :46:18. | |
cannot see it, DUP runners up every election except for 2003 with Diane | :46:19. | :46:23. | |
Dodds. Gerry Carroll hit with the fact he has a running mate and the | :46:24. | :46:28. | |
People Before Profit vote dropped, can he hold onto the fifth seed? | :46:29. | :46:36. | |
Solid performance, nearly 6000, it would be surprising if they did not | :46:37. | :46:43. | |
pick up the extra 700. Alex Attwood, beaten by the DUP, this is a | :46:44. | :46:48. | |
constituency where in the 1990s the SDLP held the Westminster seat, the | :46:49. | :46:53. | |
entire seed? It shows how the map has changed and next-door the Ulster | :46:54. | :46:58. | |
Unionists eliminated, they held that seat until even more recently. Over | :46:59. | :47:03. | |
to Tara Mills in the Titanic counting centre. Welcome back to the | :47:04. | :47:11. | |
Exhibition Centre, the Belfast counts are taking place and I have | :47:12. | :47:14. | |
Mairtin O'Muilleoir, Alice Morris from the Irish news and Professor | :47:15. | :47:19. | |
John Tong, who has written a book on the DUP. 2000 votes, adding to your | :47:20. | :47:27. | |
performance from last year? I think this an astounding performance by | :47:28. | :47:31. | |
the electorate because they are ahead of the politicians and when it | :47:32. | :47:36. | |
comes to issues of equality in South Belfast, crucially important and | :47:37. | :47:40. | |
issues of respect for all people, diversity, but also against Brexit, | :47:41. | :47:46. | |
ordinary people voted against Brexit and I can see the vote that I got as | :47:47. | :47:51. | |
a republican vote, it was for equality and liberty and the DUP | :47:52. | :47:56. | |
were about arrogance and this respect and scandals and we have an | :47:57. | :48:01. | |
opportunity to have a true fresh start and that is a mandate I will | :48:02. | :48:06. | |
bring with me in the days ahead. The election result is not about those | :48:07. | :48:11. | |
things, it is about Arlene Foster and comments about crocodiles? The | :48:12. | :48:18. | |
DUP have helped you? I was at the holy Rosary polling station and a | :48:19. | :48:25. | |
lady said, I was married here and my brother had to emigrate to London | :48:26. | :48:31. | |
because he is gay. Some of the Roma have been exploited terribly by | :48:32. | :48:34. | |
landlords in the holy lands, working in my part, not treated fairly. And | :48:35. | :48:42. | |
an Irish language school in the heart of South Belfast, a pupil's | :48:43. | :48:48. | |
mother said that he not be a first-class citizen like everyone | :48:49. | :48:52. | |
else? Without this rioting at the back of the bus? Let us have | :48:53. | :48:58. | |
integrity in the institutions and proper equality in institutions. We | :48:59. | :49:01. | |
have a declaration from Banbridge. This is the deputy returning officer | :49:02. | :49:29. | |
in Banbridge leisure centre, we will hear something about Upper Bann or | :49:30. | :49:34. | |
Newry and Armagh. Both of which should be interesting. Conor | :49:35. | :49:42. | |
Macauley is there. We will hear from him in due course. We will get some | :49:43. | :49:47. | |
numbers. We will stay with this and hear them. Upper Bann was the last | :49:48. | :49:58. | |
constituency to make its final declaration in May. Lots of people | :49:59. | :50:03. | |
saying that Doug Beattie from the Ulster Unionist Party looks | :50:04. | :50:09. | |
vulnerable there and Newry and Armagh, all six outgoing MLAs... | :50:10. | :50:15. | |
They are standing again. Let us listen. | :50:16. | :50:30. | |
Each stage announcement will include the outcome of the stage and the | :50:31. | :50:36. | |
details of the next stage. The declaration of the result will take | :50:37. | :50:42. | |
place after five candidates have been deemed carded. There will be | :50:43. | :50:47. | |
speeches until after the declaration. This is the outcome of | :50:48. | :50:52. | |
the first stage of the Newry and Armagh constituency. The total | :50:53. | :50:57. | |
number of ballot papers counted was 55,000 625. There were 707 rejected | :50:58. | :51:06. | |
papers. The number of ballot papers was 54,000 918. The quota is 9154. | :51:07. | :51:17. | |
The number of first preference votes given for each candidate was as | :51:18. | :51:23. | |
follows... Cathal Boylan, Sinn Fein, 9197. Jackie Coade, Alliance Party, | :51:24. | :51:35. | |
1418. Emmet Crossan, independent social thought, 704. Megan Fearon, | :51:36. | :51:48. | |
Sinn Fein, 8881. William Urban, DUP, 9760. Danny Kennedy, Ulster Unionist | :51:49. | :52:01. | |
Party, 7256. Justin McNulty, SDLP, 8983. Conor Murphy, Sinn Fein, 8454. | :52:02. | :52:18. | |
Rowan Tunnicliffe, Green Party, 265. William Irwin and Cathal Boylan have | :52:19. | :52:22. | |
reached the quota and are deemed elected, the next stage will involve | :52:23. | :52:25. | |
the transfer of their surplus votes in accordance with the preferences | :52:26. | :52:30. | |
shown. If the total surplus of the candidates deemed elected was | :52:31. | :52:33. | |
transferred to the three candidates with the lowest votes, it will not | :52:34. | :52:36. | |
change the order of the remaining candidates. The next age is to | :52:37. | :52:40. | |
therefore be the exclusion of the three candidates with the lowest | :52:41. | :52:45. | |
votes. Rowan Tunnicliffe... Confirmation that Cathal Boylan Sinn | :52:46. | :52:49. | |
Fein and William Irwin from the DUP have been elected, deemed elected in | :52:50. | :52:58. | |
Newry and Armagh. And the last of the bunch, Megan Fearon, Danny | :52:59. | :53:01. | |
Kennedy, Justin McNulty and Conor Murphy, that'll be interesting | :53:02. | :53:05. | |
tussle for the three remaining seats. Back to Tara Mills at the | :53:06. | :53:13. | |
Titanic Exhibition Centre. We can go back to Mairtin O'Muilleoir, were | :53:14. | :53:18. | |
interrupted briefly. When it comes to the future, what are you going | :53:19. | :53:23. | |
into? What can you guarantee for the Sinn Fein electorate? | :53:24. | :53:31. | |
Congratulations to this long, wonderful result, being returned on | :53:32. | :53:35. | |
the first count. -- to Naomi Long. In East Belfast! Secondly, great to | :53:36. | :53:40. | |
talk about the future because the talk in government with the former | :53:41. | :53:46. | |
partners has always been about the past and dragging us back. On the | :53:47. | :53:50. | |
doorsteps, people talk about the future. People insisted that they | :53:51. | :53:57. | |
wanted to be represented by people who work for a progressive Belfast | :53:58. | :54:01. | |
and a united Belfast and that is a mandate we bring with us. You are | :54:02. | :54:07. | |
congratulating Naomi Long. Alison, while things shaping up? An amazing | :54:08. | :54:14. | |
collection for Sinn Fein, they have got their vote out, the increased | :54:15. | :54:20. | |
vote has benefited them. In nationalist strongholds, West | :54:21. | :54:24. | |
Belfast is looking like four Sinn Fein and People Before Profit. That | :54:25. | :54:28. | |
is being played out across the North. The story will also be East | :54:29. | :54:32. | |
Belfast and Naomi Long and the Alliance Party's massive success | :54:33. | :54:39. | |
because with the DUP, they look to be punished by the unionist | :54:40. | :54:43. | |
electorate for RHI and other scandals, those votes are not | :54:44. | :54:47. | |
transferring to other unionist parties, the UUP, we're going | :54:48. | :54:53. | |
towards moderate parties. That happened in Stratford with Kellie | :54:54. | :54:58. | |
Armstrong being 500 votes ahead. That'll be very interesting, | :54:59. | :55:02. | |
especially in East Belfast, that is such a unionist stronghold, with | :55:03. | :55:06. | |
votes going towards Lyons, that will trouble DUP greatly in that area. We | :55:07. | :55:11. | |
have seen that this was the election they said nobody wanted, people were | :55:12. | :55:16. | |
meant to be tired having gone to the polls 7.5 months ago but we wonder | :55:17. | :55:22. | |
if anybody is listening and you can see the electorate are very engaged | :55:23. | :55:25. | |
and they have made their voice heard. When we come to analyse this | :55:26. | :55:31. | |
in the days to come, we will have a feeling of how people feel and what | :55:32. | :55:34. | |
their opinions where given the recent political scandals with | :55:35. | :55:38. | |
greater numbers to analyse. Early days in terms of the DUP picture but | :55:39. | :55:42. | |
you see this move with Alliance coming through, what do you think | :55:43. | :55:48. | |
will be the postmortem the DUP will have? The Alliance Party are having | :55:49. | :55:54. | |
a good election, they are putting on votes as a consequence of the | :55:55. | :55:59. | |
increased turnout, and this is only anecdotally, amongst younger people, | :56:00. | :56:04. | |
they are least likely to adopt unionist or nationalised labels so | :56:05. | :56:08. | |
the Alliance Party is a natural. The DUP are taking a hit but it does not | :56:09. | :56:15. | |
quite seem to be huge at this stage, remember of the high watermark of | :56:16. | :56:19. | |
the DUP last time in 2016 and 2011, that would never be repeated, even | :56:20. | :56:26. | |
with RHI. The DUP got 86% of their candidates elected in 2016 and it | :56:27. | :56:30. | |
would always take a head today and the problem is on the side of the | :56:31. | :56:36. | |
UUP, the Ulster Unionists, they are not in significantly stronger | :56:37. | :56:39. | |
position to make the advances they should be making at the expense of | :56:40. | :56:45. | |
the DUP and that is where the real story and potentially -- story | :56:46. | :56:50. | |
potentially lies. Ulster Unionists is littered with people who | :56:51. | :56:56. | |
advocated compromise, Trimble, Mike Nesbitt, it was laudable in some | :56:57. | :57:00. | |
ways what Mike Nesbitt did, urging cross community transfers. Has that | :57:01. | :57:06. | |
gone against the UUP? Or generally Mike Nesbitt? | :57:07. | :57:10. | |
If you look at the level of cross-community transfers from | :57:11. | :57:15. | |
unionist parties it's low, less than 2% of U. P voters last time went to | :57:16. | :57:21. | |
the SDLP. So it was in many ways it was a laudable call but it was full | :57:22. | :57:25. | |
of political risk and I think that's why the DUP will probably, their | :57:26. | :57:29. | |
vote will probably hold up by default because of the weaknesses of | :57:30. | :57:32. | |
the Ulster Unionist party. In terms of the big parties then, it's | :57:33. | :57:36. | |
probably likely it will still be Sinn Fein and the DUP, so what hope | :57:37. | :57:39. | |
is there that there will be agreement? Well, there is always | :57:40. | :57:44. | |
hope and I take great hope from the remarkable result I have received in | :57:45. | :57:51. | |
South Belfast, my colleague Orlaithi Flynn has been returned and I hope | :57:52. | :57:55. | |
the Tories are listening and the DUP, because this election really is | :57:56. | :57:59. | |
about implementing previous agreements, previous Solemn | :58:00. | :58:04. | |
agreements, Maze, Long Kesh and the DUP went back on their word, Irish | :58:05. | :58:09. | |
language act, the Tories went back on their word and blocking equal | :58:10. | :58:12. | |
rights for Irish speakers and dealing with the past. So, we | :58:13. | :58:16. | |
actually have a difficult period ahead but it's about implementing | :58:17. | :58:20. | |
previous agreements and I am hopeful because the ordinary people have | :58:21. | :58:23. | |
spoken just as they spoke against Brexit and I hope the Tories turn | :58:24. | :58:30. | |
away from the lunancy of Brexit. They voted against it again today we | :58:31. | :58:34. | |
should hope the DUP is listening in terms of disrespect and arrogance | :58:35. | :58:37. | |
and their wish to drag us back to the past about I hope the Tories are | :58:38. | :58:40. | |
listening too because they've a part to play in making sure we make | :58:41. | :58:45. | |
progress. Alison, is it a wasted vote for alliance in a sense that if | :58:46. | :58:50. | |
they're not within the Executive then what real change can they make | :58:51. | :58:54. | |
to some of the issues that Martin is talking about? I don't think so, it | :58:55. | :59:00. | |
gives out a clear message, the DUP are likely to be returned as the | :59:01. | :59:03. | |
largest party, they're going to have to reflect on the election and the | :59:04. | :59:07. | |
hit they've taken to the Alliance Party and maybe reflect especially | :59:08. | :59:11. | |
on some social issues where they've used petition of concern to block | :59:12. | :59:13. | |
progress on things like same-sex marriage. I don't think that the | :59:14. | :59:17. | |
Tory Government will be listening, I think Theresa May has other things | :59:18. | :59:21. | |
on her mind with regards to Brexit. I think they'll be keen for the | :59:22. | :59:24. | |
parties to get some resolution in the next few weeks, I don't think | :59:25. | :59:28. | |
there is appetite for direct rule from Westminster. They've enough on | :59:29. | :59:31. | |
their plate, the last thing weigh want to do is take over control of | :59:32. | :59:34. | |
Northern Ireland. At the same time, we have seen a reduced number, we | :59:35. | :59:39. | |
will see a reduced number of DUP MLAs returned, that doesn't mean | :59:40. | :59:43. | |
there is massive change in the demographic of the coalition | :59:44. | :59:45. | |
Government. Let's face it, it's going to be a Sinn Fein and DUP | :59:46. | :59:48. | |
coalition. Before we leave it there, did you vote any unionist down your | :59:49. | :59:55. | |
ticket? No, I didn't... Have you ever, I wonder about that? I told | :59:56. | :00:01. | |
Stephen Nolan maybe if I live to be 105. At this stage I was really in | :00:02. | :00:05. | |
favour of progressive candidates and those against Brexit, those who were | :00:06. | :00:10. | |
for Irish uniteny and that's back on the agenda as part of my vote in | :00:11. | :00:13. | |
South Belfast, as well. Thank you. Back to you, Mark. | :00:14. | :00:18. | |
OK. Let me bring you up to speed with who has been returned at this | :00:19. | :00:22. | |
stage. We have had a little bit of a rush there. Naomi Long is returned | :00:23. | :00:29. | |
on the first count in East Belfast with over 7500. Elisha McCallion. | :00:30. | :00:39. | |
Michelle O'Neill in Mid Ulster topped the poll there. Also home | :00:40. | :00:46. | |
Keith bu Khan nan of the DUP with 9,000. William Irwin of the DUP | :00:47. | :00:51. | |
returned on the first count in their constituencies. And Danny Kennedy, | :00:52. | :00:59. | |
that's - Danny Kennedy is in trouble in Newry and Armagh. Mairtin | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
O'Muilleoir topped the poll in South Belfast. Orlaithi Flynn in West | :01:04. | :01:08. | |
Belfast, both Father Sinn Fein. Let's look at North Down. Alain | :01:09. | :01:12. | |
chambers and Steven Farry, deputy leader of the Alliance Party | :01:13. | :01:16. | |
returned in North Down on the first count and Steven Farry joins me now | :01:17. | :01:20. | |
from the count centre. Congratulations. Are you relieved? | :01:21. | :01:27. | |
Well, thanks, Mark. Certainly I am pleased in a personal capacity and | :01:28. | :01:31. | |
also pleased for the party in that it does seem we are set to hold all | :01:32. | :01:37. | |
eight of our current outgoing MLAs. And our votes will be up across | :01:38. | :01:41. | |
Northern Ireland as a whole. At the same time, I am certainly | :01:42. | :01:44. | |
apprehensive about the future. We are in extremely uncertain times. | :01:45. | :01:48. | |
People have come out and are more energised about our politics but | :01:49. | :01:52. | |
that happens in the context where we don't have a functioning Assembly or | :01:53. | :01:57. | |
Executive and there are challenges ranging from a budget through to how | :01:58. | :02:02. | |
we manage the implications on Brexit we have to get to grips with over | :02:03. | :02:07. | |
the weeks. Any sign of growth for alliance, it's difficult in a | :02:08. | :02:11. | |
shrinking Assembly but you are confident you will hold eight seats, | :02:12. | :02:15. | |
do you see anywhere you might seek a 9th or 10th? In the context of a a | :02:16. | :02:22. | |
shrinking Assembly holding all eight is a gain in terms of the | :02:23. | :02:28. | |
proportionate seats we have, so Alliance is on the March. On the one | :02:29. | :02:32. | |
hand you are seeing the centre ground with Alliance at the heart of | :02:33. | :02:35. | |
that exerting itself, particularly in the greater Belfast area and | :02:36. | :02:38. | |
across the other constituencies too. At the same time, we still have a | :02:39. | :02:42. | |
pollerised electorate with the DUP and Sinn Fein set to be returned as | :02:43. | :02:48. | |
the two largest parties. Outside of the current eight we are seeing | :02:49. | :02:51. | |
strong performances, for example, in West Belfast, one of our best | :02:52. | :02:55. | |
results for several years and that's a good sign as a fact of we are | :02:56. | :02:59. | |
being taken as a much more serious player across Northern Ireland. I | :03:00. | :03:04. | |
hear also in South Down we are outpolling the Ulster Unionist party | :03:05. | :03:08. | |
and no one saw that one coming. Congratulations again, thank you. No | :03:09. | :03:14. | |
doubt we will speak to you again. Let's come back to the panel. | :03:15. | :03:21. | |
Stephen, just to pick up, contradictory trends he talked about | :03:22. | :03:24. | |
and Alliance looks as if it will hold firm in the middle ground but | :03:25. | :03:30. | |
opposite ends of the political spectrum appear to be doing well. | :03:31. | :03:35. | |
Yes, differentential turnout, west and east of the Bann, which has | :03:36. | :03:40. | |
always been the case here, it requires more nationalists to get a | :03:41. | :03:46. | |
seat in the Assembly than it does in the east of the province where | :03:47. | :03:50. | |
unionists are in the majority. So, it is, I think it's going to take us | :03:51. | :03:54. | |
quite a while. The broad sweep is there. But it's going to take a | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
while before we can establish exactly what has happened here. Are | :04:00. | :04:05. | |
you concerned that Danny Kennedy could be in difficulty in his count? | :04:06. | :04:09. | |
Clearly Danny has been a long-term representative there and hopefully | :04:10. | :04:13. | |
will be returned again. It's going to be hard for him, he is in 6th | :04:14. | :04:19. | |
place fighting for five seats. It is hard to see where he will pick | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
transfers up from. Given those figures clearly it is difficult. I | :04:25. | :04:26. | |
am still confident there are a number of transfers still to come | :04:27. | :04:30. | |
and I think from memory the Alliance Party had a number of transfers to | :04:31. | :04:36. | |
come there. Look, it is unfortunate, as Stephen indicated, there seems to | :04:37. | :04:42. | |
be a pollerisation that's certainly increased the vote in Northern | :04:43. | :04:45. | |
Ireland and many people were predicting last week that the vote | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
would decrease in Northern Ireland. But against all the odds and the | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
same as in many other cases this last 12 months, you know, the | :04:54. | :04:57. | |
predictions have been wrong and the vote has increased and there is that | :04:58. | :05:01. | |
pollerisation. Thank you. I will come back to the rest of you. | :05:02. | :05:06. | |
Michelle O'Neill, Sinn Fein's leader in Stormont, has joined us now from | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
Ballymena. First of all, congratulations to | :05:11. | :05:15. | |
you. You topped the poll with 10258 first preferences. No huge surprise. | :05:16. | :05:21. | |
I think you are the first person to be returned with a vote over 10,000 | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
first preferences, is that right? I am not sure. I have been here all | :05:26. | :05:28. | |
morning, but obviously I am delighted to receive the vote which | :05:29. | :05:32. | |
I have. I am also delighted that the people of Mid Ulster put their faith | :05:33. | :05:38. | |
in Sinn Fein. 26207 people send their best wishes to Martin | :05:39. | :05:42. | |
McGuinness today in the vote they've returned. We are date our other two | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
candidates will be returned. We fought a positive campaign. The | :05:47. | :05:49. | |
public have responded well. Here in Mid Ulster we have seen a 14% | :05:50. | :05:53. | |
increase which is significant given that the average across the North | :05:54. | :05:57. | |
has been a 10% increase. I think that sends a strong signal that the | :05:58. | :06:01. | |
campaign we fought, people were motivated to vote because they | :06:02. | :06:04. | |
understood the message, they understood the need for this | :06:05. | :06:07. | |
election. It's a good day for Sinn Fein in Mid Ulster and obviously a | :06:08. | :06:10. | |
good day across the board, some other counts are coming in. It is | :06:11. | :06:16. | |
hard to read at this stage, we were just hearing from Stephen Farry and | :06:17. | :06:20. | |
one of our guests in the studio saying there are contradictory | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
trends and appears to be pollerisation, Alliance seems to be | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
doing well in the middle ground. The DUP is also performing well in, so | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
far as we know at this stage, you clearly have had some successes. So, | :06:34. | :06:37. | |
one end of the spectrum, the other end and the middle ground all seem | :06:38. | :06:41. | |
to be claiming some degree of success at this stage. I think it is | :06:42. | :06:45. | |
a very interesting election. We have always said it would be a watershed | :06:46. | :06:48. | |
election and it is early days so it's hard to predict the full | :06:49. | :06:53. | |
outcome at the end of tomorrow. For me it's about now making sure the - | :06:54. | :06:57. | |
when the votes are counted that my team's organised and will be over | :06:58. | :07:00. | |
the weekend that we are ready to deal with the issues that need to be | :07:01. | :07:04. | |
dealt with. There clearly are problems and I think particularly | :07:05. | :07:07. | |
here in Mid Ulster and I can speak for the electoral who returned us | :07:08. | :07:13. | |
and we are very grateful, I said it throughout the election campaign, | :07:14. | :07:16. | |
when Sinn Fein wins, we win for all. We have a job to do to restore | :07:17. | :07:20. | |
integrity and respect in the institutions, that's what I am up | :07:21. | :07:23. | |
for and our team will be up for, we have a job ahead in the next three | :07:24. | :07:26. | |
weeks. Sinn Fein will be at Stormont on Monday, we will be dealing with | :07:27. | :07:31. | |
all the issues and we need to get down to trying to restore the lack | :07:32. | :07:34. | |
of public confidence there has been in the institutions and trying to | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
get to the bottom of all those serious issues, we don't need a new | :07:39. | :07:41. | |
negotiation, we don't need a new agreement. We need implementation of | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
what's been outstanding. Just to be clear, what does this mandate, if it | :07:46. | :07:49. | |
ends up being as strong a mandate as you are suggesting it could be, what | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
does that mandate give you you the right to demand, what will you do | :07:55. | :07:57. | |
with it next week and the week after? It's not about demands, it's | :07:58. | :08:01. | |
about people's rights, it's about the public having faith in the | :08:02. | :08:03. | |
institutions and those people that govern. It's about making sure that | :08:04. | :08:07. | |
we deliver for all citizens on the basis of equality and respect. | :08:08. | :08:10. | |
That's what my mandate will do, that's what the Sinn Fein mandate | :08:11. | :08:13. | |
will do, we will fight for the rights of all citizens, not just | :08:14. | :08:16. | |
those people that elect Sinn Fein but those people in society. We need | :08:17. | :08:20. | |
to have a society based on rights that people feel valued and | :08:21. | :08:23. | |
respected and that's what we will go into the negotiation to secure for | :08:24. | :08:26. | |
all those people that have come out in their numbers to vote in this | :08:27. | :08:31. | |
election. Whenever you and I had a conversation on The View before the | :08:32. | :08:33. | |
election you were clear about this and you said, I can't be any | :08:34. | :08:39. | |
clearer, you will not go back into an Executive if Arlene Foster is the | :08:40. | :08:43. | |
nominee of the DUP. You will not work with her on this side of a | :08:44. | :08:47. | |
public inquiry into RHI. If you go back with a strong hand the DUP also | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
has a strong enough hand and it says we are backing Arlene Foster to | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
continue as our leader, and nominating her we are stuck. We are | :08:57. | :09:00. | |
on a hook or have you thought of a way now on this side of the election | :09:01. | :09:04. | |
that you can share with us to get us off that hook? Well, obviously I | :09:05. | :09:08. | |
have said and it remains my position that we couldn't go into Government | :09:09. | :09:12. | |
with Arlene foser in the position of first or Deputy First Minister | :09:13. | :09:14. | |
whilst there is a cloud hanging over her, that remains the position. If | :09:15. | :09:16. | |
people are serious about making the institutions work, if people are | :09:17. | :09:20. | |
serious about power sharing, genuine power sharing, if people are serious | :09:21. | :09:23. | |
about equality and respect, then whilst we might have a difficult | :09:24. | :09:28. | |
period ahead in the next few weeks nothing that is unachievable if | :09:29. | :09:31. | |
people come with the right attitude. It does not mean an Executive cannot | :09:32. | :09:35. | |
be formed. You know Arlene Foster would say there is no cloud over | :09:36. | :09:39. | |
her, she was a Minister, she did nothing wrong. She acted on the | :09:40. | :09:44. | |
instructions or advice of her civil servants and the RHI public inquiry | :09:45. | :09:50. | |
will get to grips with what did and did not happen. Some of the claims | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
she says don't stack up. It's up to the DUP to decide what they do in | :09:55. | :09:59. | |
terms of their personnel. It's not up to Sinn Fein. It's not up to you. | :10:00. | :10:06. | |
I have always said it's not for me to dictate who leads the DUP. I am | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
only interested in Government and institution that is deliver for all | :10:10. | :10:13. | |
citizens. We can't be one-sided, we need to make sure we show | :10:14. | :10:16. | |
leadership. The office of first and Deputy First Minister needs to do | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
more, they need to step outside their comfort zone and through to | :10:22. | :10:23. | |
the principles of power sharing and make sure the Executive works on the | :10:24. | :10:27. | |
basis of equality. That's what our team are interested in. While we | :10:28. | :10:30. | |
have a difficult period ahead we can achieve a way forward if people come | :10:31. | :10:34. | |
at it with the right attitude, that's what Sinn Fein will do and | :10:35. | :10:37. | |
that's what I will lead my negotiating team in to do. We are | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
look to look at pictures of Gerry Kelly who topped the poll in North | :10:42. | :10:46. | |
Belfast. I haven't the data for North Belfast at this stage. Maybe | :10:47. | :10:50. | |
it's just... No, hasn't come in at the moment. He has been successful | :10:51. | :10:59. | |
as far as your party is concerned. Also Elisha McCallion and Orlaithi | :11:00. | :11:01. | |
Flynn, Mairtin O'Muilleoir, so a good day at the office from Sinn | :11:02. | :11:05. | |
Fein's point of view. Yes, it has and it's great to see those | :11:06. | :11:08. | |
candidates, first-class people who will work for all our citizens. We | :11:09. | :11:12. | |
have said throughout this campaign a very positive message, we want to | :11:13. | :11:14. | |
deliver for all citizens on the basis of equality and respect. | :11:15. | :11:17. | |
That's what all those people have received a mandate for. I am | :11:18. | :11:19. | |
delighted and proud of our team. I look forward to the rest of the | :11:20. | :11:23. | |
results coming in it throughout day and tomorrow. | :11:24. | :11:24. | |
Thank you very much. We can hear from Simon Hamilton, the | :11:25. | :11:39. | |
DUP, successful DUP candidate in Strangford, topping the poll. | :11:40. | :11:45. | |
Congratulations. Thank you. Was that a relief? Strangford was trailed as | :11:46. | :11:55. | |
the real impossible constituency to call because unique, you had seven | :11:56. | :12:01. | |
outgoing MLAs looking for only five seats. I am pleased with my personal | :12:02. | :12:08. | |
result but this is a good result for the party in Strangford, our hard | :12:09. | :12:14. | |
work through the years has been awarded once again by the electorate | :12:15. | :12:18. | |
and the vote has held up and myself and Michelle McIlveen have very high | :12:19. | :12:23. | |
first preference totals and I am glad that Peter Weir is polling | :12:24. | :12:27. | |
exceptionally well and we will wait for the later stages but we are | :12:28. | :12:33. | |
hopeful of holding onto three seats. Doesn't look like Philip Smith will | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
lose out at Jonathan Bell is pretty much already out? That is pretty | :12:38. | :12:45. | |
clear. Philip Smith is trailing by around 1100 votes so we will have to | :12:46. | :12:50. | |
go through some stages but we will be hopeful that Peter -- Philip will | :12:51. | :12:59. | |
join us. You have known Jonathan Bell for a very long time, | :13:00. | :13:03. | |
constituency and party colleague and Executive colour, he has been | :13:04. | :13:09. | |
suspended from the DUP, and he is still technically a member. Do you | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
shed any tears at the end of his political career? You will remember | :13:14. | :13:22. | |
before Christmas he predicted the end of his career and we will see | :13:23. | :13:29. | |
whether the result today is the end, I am disappointed with what Jonathan | :13:30. | :13:33. | |
did before Christmas, he took that decision for his own reasons and he | :13:34. | :13:36. | |
has put himself forward to the electorate in Strangford who have | :13:37. | :13:41. | |
not endorsed him in the way he thought. I am glad the people in | :13:42. | :13:45. | |
Strangford held faith with the DUP and have held up the vote and were | :13:46. | :13:52. | |
on course to hold onto three seats. Where have you been for the past six | :13:53. | :13:58. | |
weeks? You have been remarkably low-profile for a man who was put | :13:59. | :14:01. | |
forward at every opportunity by the DUP as a front-line spokesperson. I | :14:02. | :14:07. | |
have not seen you in weeks, since before Christmas. I don't think you | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
are vote in the Strangford constituency, I have been here | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
working hard and that has paid off in the election, working hard to not | :14:18. | :14:21. | |
just hold onto my own seat but also to help and ensure we get three | :14:22. | :14:25. | |
seats in this constituency and that is hopefully but we will do. How do | :14:26. | :14:30. | |
you read the overall picture in all seriousness? The contradictory | :14:31. | :14:35. | |
nature of the figures at this early stage, what do you think is | :14:36. | :14:40. | |
happening? More people voted this time than ten months ago. I think it | :14:41. | :14:48. | |
is very encouraging that there was an increased turnout, Strangford, | :14:49. | :14:52. | |
along with North Down, traditionally has had a very low turnout and it is | :14:53. | :14:56. | |
good to see more people participating in the democratic | :14:57. | :15:00. | |
process and the selection has engaged people and the issues have | :15:01. | :15:04. | |
been important and I have had a consistent message around the doors, | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
particularly yesterday, was people coming through the gates and they | :15:10. | :15:14. | |
want the institutions at Stormont to be up and running, the Executive to | :15:15. | :15:18. | |
be formed and the Assembly working on their behalf on the issues that | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
matter to them in health and education and jobs and we have work | :15:23. | :15:26. | |
to do over the next couple of weeks to ensure that this desire which was | :15:27. | :15:31. | |
uniform across the board over the election campaign is something that | :15:32. | :15:35. | |
we can deliver on. We get the Executive running again and the | :15:36. | :15:38. | |
Assembly working and we have an Executive delivering for people and | :15:39. | :15:42. | |
we continue the good work that was taking place with the new Executive | :15:43. | :15:48. | |
until December. Congratulations again, we will maybe talk again. | :15:49. | :15:54. | |
Simon Hamilton, thank you. We can go back to Tara Mills in Titanic. Naomi | :15:55. | :16:02. | |
Long is here. An increased turnout has helped you. It seems so. We had | :16:03. | :16:08. | |
a very good election, particularly in East Belfast, and a credible | :16:09. | :16:13. | |
election for us. We have polled based on what we have seen with the | :16:14. | :16:18. | |
best ever election result in East Belfast and beyond that, Stephen | :16:19. | :16:23. | |
Farry polling very strongly with the vote up in North Down and the same | :16:24. | :16:27. | |
with Kellie Armstrong, who was second in the poll, beating the | :16:28. | :16:30. | |
Ulster Unionist leader into third place. This has been a good day for | :16:31. | :16:38. | |
Alliance, and in constituencies where we traditionally have been | :16:39. | :16:41. | |
week we have seen the effort we have put into building the vote paying | :16:42. | :16:46. | |
off. In terms of the vote share. Very positive and I hope this | :16:47. | :16:49. | |
translates into something positive when it comes to what starts night, | :16:50. | :16:55. | |
getting devolution be established. So many interesting facets to that. | :16:56. | :17:00. | |
In terms of the vote, who has come out, why has your vote increased? | :17:01. | :17:07. | |
People who wanted to punish the DUP, instead of voting for the UUP have | :17:08. | :17:11. | |
voted for Alliance? We did not set out to be the protest vote, we were | :17:12. | :17:16. | |
clear that we wanted to offer a positive alternative and that is | :17:17. | :17:20. | |
what we did. We talked about what we would do differently and how we can | :17:21. | :17:24. | |
try to re-establish the Assembly on a sustainable footing that can | :17:25. | :17:28. | |
deliver for people and people responded and connected with that. | :17:29. | :17:33. | |
Rather than simply voting in protest or out of anger, they wanted to hear | :17:34. | :17:38. | |
the alternative because was a degree of despair when we ended up at the | :17:39. | :17:40. | |
election so quickly after the last one and people felt we had given up | :17:41. | :17:46. | |
and people said that the high turnout could be good news for some | :17:47. | :17:51. | |
of the established parties. We have found that lots of people turning | :17:52. | :17:55. | |
out had never voted before or have not voted for a very long time but | :17:56. | :17:58. | |
they were motivated because they were frustrated over what has | :17:59. | :18:01. | |
happened over the last eight months and that has benefited Alliance. | :18:02. | :18:05. | |
What guarantees can you give those people who are putting their faith | :18:06. | :18:11. | |
in you? What position can you have? This time, not going into | :18:12. | :18:16. | |
opposition, we will take one of those ministerial seats? We were | :18:17. | :18:22. | |
very clear. Whether we would be government or opposition and this is | :18:23. | :18:25. | |
about the quality of government and if there are other parties willing | :18:26. | :18:29. | |
to work with us and if there is an opportunity to be in government, but | :18:30. | :18:32. | |
if that government is open and accountable and delivering for the | :18:33. | :18:37. | |
people and dealing with issues like division in society and other | :18:38. | :18:41. | |
priorities, that we talked about in this election, we want to be part of | :18:42. | :18:46. | |
making that work. If other parties do not want to do with those issues, | :18:47. | :18:51. | |
we will go into opposition and hold them to account. We need to sit down | :18:52. | :18:55. | |
with other parties at the end of this and start to talk about what | :18:56. | :19:00. | |
we're going to do next week because we have a challenge. People want | :19:01. | :19:03. | |
devolution restored. They want to see the Assembly working. With the | :19:04. | :19:09. | |
obstacles that are in the way around Sinn Fein and the DUP, do you think | :19:10. | :19:16. | |
direct rule is inevitable? I do not, it would be disastrous for Northern | :19:17. | :19:20. | |
Ireland, a major step backwards. People were elected today to do the | :19:21. | :19:25. | |
job, to deliver government, they have the responsibility and other | :19:26. | :19:30. | |
roadblocks in the way, people need to remove them, to do what they have | :19:31. | :19:34. | |
been tasked with, to get around the table and get devolution restored | :19:35. | :19:38. | |
and start delivering for the people who voted. I am grateful to the | :19:39. | :19:42. | |
people who came out yesterday, particularly last night in some of | :19:43. | :19:46. | |
the worst weather of this campaign, and they were queueing up outside | :19:47. | :19:49. | |
polling stations to give us a mandate, a mandate to govern. It is | :19:50. | :19:55. | |
our responsibility to do that job and that goes double for those with | :19:56. | :20:00. | |
larger mandates than ours. John Tong, do you think direct rule is | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
inevitable? More probable than not, I cannot see any deal between the | :20:06. | :20:09. | |
DUP and Sinn Fein, Michelle O'Neill could not have been clearer, she | :20:10. | :20:14. | |
will not work with Arlene Foster, whether Sinn Fein is the largest | :20:15. | :20:19. | |
party, they will not accept Arlene Foster as Deputy First Minister or | :20:20. | :20:23. | |
as First Minister. There was no wriggle room. The DUP are likely to | :20:24. | :20:30. | |
put anybody else in? That would be Sinn Fein choosing a leader of the | :20:31. | :20:34. | |
DUP and it is possible they can temporarily put somebody else | :20:35. | :20:37. | |
forward but this campaign has been about the DUP arguing that the | :20:38. | :20:42. | |
sequencing was wrong, let us have the enquiry into RHI and if the | :20:43. | :20:46. | |
enquiry is damning of Arlene Foster, there is case for her to go. I do | :20:47. | :20:52. | |
not see any ground for movement on that. What you are looking at | :20:53. | :21:00. | |
potentially is an Assembly sitting but basically scrutinising the | :21:01. | :21:04. | |
decisions of James Brokenshire. 90 people will be places but in effect | :21:05. | :21:09. | |
James Brokenshire has been elected because he will be the person making | :21:10. | :21:14. | |
key decisions for the next nine months. I am also concerned that the | :21:15. | :21:19. | |
enquiry, people assume that will clear the air, I would not expect | :21:20. | :21:23. | |
the parties to cherry pick the findings down the line so we might | :21:24. | :21:31. | |
have this hiatus after that. Sorry to be gloomy but this is not the | :21:32. | :21:35. | |
road back to full blown devolution. In 2003 I was here electing to a | :21:36. | :21:41. | |
government that did not actually exist. Naomi Long has shown that | :21:42. | :21:50. | |
East Belfast is always seen as this loyalist citadel but that has not | :21:51. | :21:53. | |
been the case for a very long time. Two Westminster elections with only | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
a minority of people voting for the DUP and you are seeing today the | :21:59. | :22:02. | |
Alliance Party performing strongly so the nature of that constituency | :22:03. | :22:08. | |
is changing but the narrative today will be Alliance doing very well but | :22:09. | :22:11. | |
the major narrative is the onward march of Sinn Fein. Glutton for | :22:12. | :22:16. | |
punishment! Always coming back! Back to the studio. As John Tong said, we | :22:17. | :22:24. | |
may not be electing an Assembly but just negotiators in the talks but | :22:25. | :22:28. | |
nevertheless it is important to see what the strengths of the parties | :22:29. | :22:31. | |
will be because that will determine what the bargaining power is. We are | :22:32. | :22:38. | |
looking at a couple of swing constituencies, first of all, South | :22:39. | :22:44. | |
Belfast. Many moons ago was an Ulster Unionist stronghold, hard to | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
imagine that right now! The DUP topping the poll in South Belfast, | :22:50. | :22:53. | |
closely followed by the SDLP but I very even spread. What has happened | :22:54. | :22:58. | |
to the share? Just above the quarter. I was fast, there. We shot | :22:59. | :23:08. | |
past Mairtin O'Muilleoir. One of the reasons he got elected so quickly | :23:09. | :23:16. | |
was Sinn Fein added 3.5%. We're still waiting for any constituency | :23:17. | :23:20. | |
where Sinn Fein or Alliance have a drop in their vote share. Mairtin | :23:21. | :23:23. | |
O'Muilleoir at the top in South Belfast. Lots of talk about Emma | :23:24. | :23:29. | |
Little-Pengelly. Possibly not making it. She is in fifth place. Why are | :23:30. | :23:35. | |
people thinking she might not be the fifth MLA? Going back one step, | :23:36. | :23:43. | |
there might be only one DUP MLA because Clare Bailey of the Green | :23:44. | :23:49. | |
Party, less than 200 votes behind. She has a lot of potential votes | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
that will come to her before they go to the DUP. Hoovering up from | :23:54. | :23:57. | |
Alliance and People Before Profit. Does Emma Little-Pengelly stay | :23:58. | :24:05. | |
behind Christopher Stalford? One of them is more transfer toxic and | :24:06. | :24:13. | |
which one is more friendly? The last seat could be between both DUP | :24:14. | :24:17. | |
councillors. Sinn Fein, SDLP, Alliance Party, pretty much home. | :24:18. | :24:25. | |
Which DUP candidate comes through? And the Green Party might have a | :24:26. | :24:32. | |
seat. And in Foyle. Elisha McCallion, elected on the first | :24:33. | :24:36. | |
card. Impressive given that Martin McGuinness was not in the fray. We | :24:37. | :24:42. | |
can see that Sinn Fein maintain dominance over the SDLP. The first | :24:43. | :24:49. | |
time they have beaten the SDLP. Despite the fact that the SDLP have | :24:50. | :24:54. | |
a party leader and the Minister and this is the change. Enormous rise in | :24:55. | :25:04. | |
the Sinn Fein vote? Here we go. This is that swing. More than 3% from the | :25:05. | :25:12. | |
SDLP to Sinn Fein. Pretty drastic and Sinn Fein is out polling the | :25:13. | :25:19. | |
SDLP in South Down, that was the other remaining stronghold. Elisha | :25:20. | :25:24. | |
McCallion is already there. Raymond McCartney will come through and both | :25:25. | :25:28. | |
SDLP candidates but what about the fifth set? It is likely that Gary | :25:29. | :25:34. | |
Middleton will keep that for the DUP, there are enough unionist votes | :25:35. | :25:39. | |
in the Ulster Unionists and the Conservatives that I think will | :25:40. | :25:44. | |
prove sufficient. That means Eamonn McCann, after decades of getting | :25:45. | :25:48. | |
elected, trying to get elected, this could be a very truncated medical | :25:49. | :25:55. | |
career? He has had a very early -- long career outside of the Assembly, | :25:56. | :25:59. | |
it is too early to say goodbye to him! Eamonn McCann is not the driver | :26:00. | :26:07. | |
and he won't have to wait for all of those lifts and trains and buses to | :26:08. | :26:14. | |
take him back to Derry! Thank you. I want to speak to Paul Givan of the | :26:15. | :26:19. | |
DUP, topping the poll in Lagan Valley. And he joins us. From the | :26:20. | :26:23. | |
count centre. Congratulations, well done. 8035 | :26:24. | :26:35. | |
first preference votes, are you a relieved man this mid-afternoon? | :26:36. | :26:38. | |
Well, obviously, I am personally delighted with the vote that I | :26:39. | :26:42. | |
received, to get over 8,000 votes is obviously an endorsement from my own | :26:43. | :26:46. | |
constituency. I am more interested in obviously the final tally when it | :26:47. | :26:49. | |
comes to the end of the day as to how many seats the party gets and I | :26:50. | :26:52. | |
will be watching as the count proceeds. We are clearly getting two | :26:53. | :26:56. | |
seats comfortably in Lagan Valley, the last seat here will go down to | :26:57. | :27:00. | |
the wire. It's between us, the Ulster Unionists and the SDLP. There | :27:01. | :27:04. | |
has been an increased turnout amongst the nationalist voting base | :27:05. | :27:07. | |
here in the constituency and that's going to make for an interesting and | :27:08. | :27:11. | |
possibly protracted number of stages here in Lisburn. If you lose one of | :27:12. | :27:21. | |
your three seats it would be Brenda Hale on the face of it. Pat Catney | :27:22. | :27:27. | |
is a bit behind but it depends, as it will in many constituencies, it | :27:28. | :27:33. | |
will come down to the transfers and who could Hoover them up? It will. | :27:34. | :27:38. | |
It is Brenda, Jenny and Pat I think will be the last three candidates | :27:39. | :27:43. | |
vying for that last seat. There is a Sinn Fein vote there, obviously to | :27:44. | :27:46. | |
transfer to Pat Catney and that's going to increase his first | :27:47. | :27:50. | |
preference tally. So, this one we will have to wait and see. They're | :27:51. | :27:57. | |
redistributing my surplus, there is a TUV vote, we expect to benefit | :27:58. | :28:01. | |
through those stages and other independents, I would anticipate | :28:02. | :28:04. | |
some parties will benefit from. That's obviously the way the PR | :28:05. | :28:07. | |
system works, it's too close to call here in Lagan Valley. We fought a | :28:08. | :28:11. | |
tough campaign. We increased our vote in the last election. Other | :28:12. | :28:14. | |
parties were able to increase the turnout in their areas, as well. | :28:15. | :28:17. | |
That's obviously now made that last seat something that I think everyone | :28:18. | :28:21. | |
will be watching closely. Obviously we fought a hard campaign over the | :28:22. | :28:24. | |
last four weeks. There are a range of issues that were brought up. | :28:25. | :28:28. | |
Undoubtedly, people consolidated here around the DUP, they recognised | :28:29. | :28:32. | |
that we were the party that they wanted to vote for. We need to have | :28:33. | :28:37. | |
a strong party and today it's very clear we will be easily the largest | :28:38. | :28:41. | |
unionist party in Northern Ireland and obviously the challenge now | :28:42. | :28:45. | |
rests with us to find a way through the difficulties that exist at | :28:46. | :28:48. | |
Stormont, people need to respect our mandate and we need to respect the | :28:49. | :28:51. | |
mandate other parties are going to be receiving in this election. | :28:52. | :28:53. | |
Ultimately, I do believe that we have to find a solution, that's what | :28:54. | :28:58. | |
the people expect us to do. Good to talk to you, | :28:59. | :29:02. | |
congratulations, thank you very much indeed for having a word with us. | :29:03. | :29:06. | |
Paul Givan has been successful there. Topped the poll with over | :29:07. | :29:10. | |
8,000 first preference votes. We have refreshed our panel. Good to | :29:11. | :29:15. | |
see some new faces. Sir Jeffrey Donaldson is staying with us, we | :29:16. | :29:20. | |
have been joined by the Sinn Fein MEP Martin in a Anderson. Professor | :29:21. | :29:35. | |
Rick Wilford. No stranger to our output and also Newton Emerson. | :29:36. | :29:40. | |
Martin in a, first of all, you clearly within Sinn Fein have had | :29:41. | :29:43. | |
some strong performances, you have had a few poll toppers, we were | :29:44. | :29:51. | |
talking to your party leader here, Michelle O'Neill, and she was saying | :29:52. | :29:54. | |
she was pleased with how things are going but there is a long way to go. | :29:55. | :29:58. | |
Without doubt there is a long way to go. When you consider Elisha | :29:59. | :30:02. | |
McCallion has topped the poll in Derry, first time out, a magnificent | :30:03. | :30:07. | |
performance. Not just for Elisha but all of the candidates that were | :30:08. | :30:12. | |
involved across the north, but her and Raymond, our vote is up, 16300 | :30:13. | :30:17. | |
in the Foyle constituency, that's the highest vote I think that Sinn | :30:18. | :30:23. | |
Fein has ever received since we went out, Mitchell McLawing cane came | :30:24. | :30:27. | |
close to that at one time or another. Here is good news, in South | :30:28. | :30:40. | |
Down, 10256 first preferences for Sinead and Chris Hazard 8827. I know | :30:41. | :30:53. | |
that Catriona Ruane was pleased, she was her election agent. She has been | :30:54. | :31:00. | |
fantastic, Sinead. We have - there is a trend and a pattern across the | :31:01. | :31:05. | |
north where young republican women are topping the poll and I think | :31:06. | :31:09. | |
that's something we have seen as a trend the last time around, as well. | :31:10. | :31:13. | |
We had a leader in Michelle O'Neill that has led from the front. People | :31:14. | :31:17. | |
have said about this election and what it was all about. The election | :31:18. | :31:22. | |
was about equality and respect and integrity at the heart of the | :31:23. | :31:27. | |
political institutions. And that message resonated across, not just | :31:28. | :31:31. | |
the city of Derry, but across the north. It is also to be fair, it's | :31:32. | :31:35. | |
also the case that a lot of unionists have come out. The centre | :31:36. | :31:41. | |
ground has held up well, the DUP has had good successes so far. We have | :31:42. | :31:45. | |
spoken to some of the successful candidates. They were presumably | :31:46. | :31:49. | |
voting for different reasons for a different agenda, for a different | :31:50. | :31:52. | |
manifesto than Sinn Fein. You can't say the election was just about Sinn | :31:53. | :31:57. | |
Fein's agenda. Jeffrey has a different agenda. Of course. I think | :31:58. | :32:00. | |
that's going to be the story of the election. Martin McGuinness left a | :32:01. | :32:07. | |
sick hospital bed to go up to the Assembly to say to Arlene Foster, to | :32:08. | :32:12. | |
try to get her to try to instill a bit of humanity into that lady. And | :32:13. | :32:19. | |
when you consider that Martin McGuinness faced down arrogance and | :32:20. | :32:24. | |
disrespect, I can tell you across the North that was felt in a lot of | :32:25. | :32:30. | |
republican nationalist homes. Jeffrey, I will give you an | :32:31. | :32:33. | |
opportunity to respond. Presumably you would see things very | :32:34. | :32:40. | |
differently. I do. And I think a lot of people, Martina, out there, will | :32:41. | :32:44. | |
just think a little about what you have just said about humanity and | :32:45. | :32:52. | |
Sinn Fein lecturing anyone on humanity when your leader stood and | :32:53. | :32:58. | |
exonerated and eulogised members of the IRA who did a lot of... And you | :32:59. | :33:02. | |
were a member of the UDR, you are not the person to be sitting there | :33:03. | :33:07. | |
lecturing me about the whataboutery about the IRA. With all due respect | :33:08. | :33:10. | |
to you... I didn't interrupt you. You are not the person to be | :33:11. | :33:15. | |
lecturing republicans about the role of the UDR and the conflict. Hang | :33:16. | :33:19. | |
on, let Jeffrey make his point. Respect means you let the other | :33:20. | :33:24. | |
person speak. It means freedom of speech. I listened to you and didn't | :33:25. | :33:28. | |
interrupt. Show this unionist a little bit of respect. I know it's | :33:29. | :33:32. | |
really difficult for Sinn Fein to show any unionist respect. That's | :33:33. | :33:37. | |
not true. You can't even use the term Northern Ireland, the very | :33:38. | :33:41. | |
country you want to aspire to govern. You don't respect the | :33:42. | :33:44. | |
country you are supposed to be governing. This does not augur well | :33:45. | :33:47. | |
for partnership Government on the other side of the election. Let's be | :33:48. | :33:51. | |
honest. Sometimes, Mark, you have to cut across the can't of Sinn Fein. | :33:52. | :33:57. | |
Let's deal with the results. Martina is sitting here and it's almost as | :33:58. | :34:00. | |
if everybody out there agrees with the Sinn Fein agenda. I have to | :34:01. | :34:05. | |
challenge that. The DUP vote has held up well, despite the difficult | :34:06. | :34:10. | |
circumstances that we are in, in the Foyle constituency the DUP vote is | :34:11. | :34:14. | |
up. We have had some incredible results, in mid always, for example, | :34:15. | :34:18. | |
our candidate there got over 2,000 more votes in this election. So, you | :34:19. | :34:24. | |
know, Martina with the greatest of respect, I think Sinn Fein need to | :34:25. | :34:28. | |
understand that there are still many people out there who do not accept | :34:29. | :34:32. | |
the kind of agenda that you are talking about, Irish unity, Mairtin | :34:33. | :34:36. | |
O'Muilleoir talked about, in South Belfast, the DUP beat you, the DUP | :34:37. | :34:40. | |
is the largest party in South Belfast. People who voted for the | :34:41. | :34:44. | |
DUP were not voting for Irish unity, they want a stable Northern Ireland, | :34:45. | :34:47. | |
they want a Northern Ireland that works. They don't want, with | :34:48. | :34:51. | |
respect, Martina, people setting preconditions, they voted, they | :34:52. | :34:54. | |
voted for people to go back into Government. They voted for people to | :34:55. | :34:58. | |
make Northern Ireland work. They want to see that happening. Remember | :34:59. | :35:01. | |
that in the next three weeks, the DUP stands ready to go into | :35:02. | :35:05. | |
Government. We will not be setting preconditions. So do we. We stand | :35:06. | :35:12. | |
ready. We will not be going back to the status quo, that's something to | :35:13. | :35:14. | |
be very mindful and clear about as we go forward. We need to treat each | :35:15. | :35:19. | |
other and our constituencies with respect. And that means the DUP | :35:20. | :35:26. | |
reaching out to the nationalist community, the Irish language | :35:27. | :35:30. | |
speakers, Irish culture, changing names on boats, lifting Irish | :35:31. | :35:34. | |
bursaries, the things that the DUP has done to Irish language speakers | :35:35. | :35:40. | |
and our culture, that needs to stop. On this side of the election, the | :35:41. | :35:43. | |
campaign is now over. We have fought the campaign. People have voted. We | :35:44. | :35:47. | |
are now assessing what those votes mean. Somehow or other we have to | :35:48. | :35:50. | |
put the pieces back together. Of course. And it's a question of | :35:51. | :35:54. | |
whether the will is there on the part of the DUP and Sinn Fein, if | :35:55. | :35:57. | |
they are returned as the two big he is parties t looks like they're | :35:58. | :36:01. | |
going to be, is the will there to put the pieces back together? | :36:02. | :36:07. | |
Absolutely, the will is there. Based on a political institution that's | :36:08. | :36:13. | |
based on equality, it's based on respect and based on integrity. I | :36:14. | :36:17. | |
need to pause there. The political will is definitely there from Sinn | :36:18. | :36:22. | |
Fein. I will come back, we have breaking news in West Belfast. | :36:23. | :36:28. | |
Let's hear from David Maxwell. Yes, welcome back to the Titanic | :36:29. | :36:30. | |
Exhibition Centre. We have just heard in the last few minutes that | :36:31. | :36:35. | |
Alex Attwood has been eliminated in West Belfast. That's a huge day for | :36:36. | :36:42. | |
the SDLP, the SDLP represented in West Belfast for decades. That is | :36:43. | :36:46. | |
now it appears at an end. We haven't seen Alex Attwood here in the hall | :36:47. | :36:49. | |
today. We are trying to find members of the SDLP to get some reaction | :36:50. | :36:54. | |
from them on it. But that appears to be it. We have it there. There it is | :36:55. | :37:00. | |
in black and white, Alex Attwood, he got 4,000 total votes. But now | :37:01. | :37:05. | |
excluded. We expect in that constituency that Sinn Fein will | :37:06. | :37:08. | |
return all four of the candidates they put up, they spread their vote | :37:09. | :37:12. | |
very evenly. Gerry Carroll is confident that he will take a seat | :37:13. | :37:16. | |
there, as well. A remarkable day and remarkable news here. | :37:17. | :37:20. | |
Thank you very much. We did predict there would be big name casualties | :37:21. | :37:24. | |
in there, and there is a big name, Alex Attwood, definitely out, not in | :37:25. | :37:29. | |
the next Assembly. It looks like there are interesting things | :37:30. | :37:37. | |
happening in Newry and Armagh. Danny Kennedy is having a tough | :37:38. | :37:43. | |
fight on his hands to hang on. Yeah, it's a torrid time for him at the | :37:44. | :37:51. | |
moment. We have had two elected, William Irwin and Cathal Boylan also | :37:52. | :38:02. | |
elected. A quota of 9154. Conor Murphy and Megan Fearon are close to | :38:03. | :38:06. | |
the quota. Justin McNulty is just shy of it. They were doing a line-up | :38:07. | :38:12. | |
and cheer in the media room, he said he wasn't celebrating prematurely | :38:13. | :38:14. | |
but it looked like it to me. That means is that clearly it looks like | :38:15. | :38:19. | |
Danny Kennedy is very much in the drop zone at the moment. He is on | :38:20. | :38:28. | |
7256 first preferences, the foet at that is 9154. He would have to catch | :38:29. | :38:35. | |
Connor Murphy, but he is around about 1200 votes ahead. It's quite | :38:36. | :38:39. | |
hard to see where the transfers might be for Danny Kennedy at this | :38:40. | :38:44. | |
moment in time now, we are dividing up - redistributing the votes of | :38:45. | :38:50. | |
three candidates who have been excluded, the Green candidate, and | :38:51. | :38:56. | |
the Alliance candidate, again as I said talking to people they can't | :38:57. | :38:59. | |
see a way back for Danny Kennedy at this particular time. | :39:00. | :39:05. | |
Thank you very much. That's interesting, if Danny Kennedy | :39:06. | :39:10. | |
goes out, he is a former deputy leader of the Ulster Unionists | :39:11. | :39:14. | |
party, at Stormont. He is a former Minister in the Executive, he would | :39:15. | :39:18. | |
be another big name casualty. We will hear from Rick and Newton and | :39:19. | :39:23. | |
also Jeffrey and Martina again shortly and get their thoughts on | :39:24. | :39:26. | |
what's been happening. Let's look at some results so far from Mark | :39:27. | :39:29. | |
Simpson. Sglp | :39:30. | :39:32. | |
What we have done is squeezed the 18 constituencies together. Made them | :39:33. | :39:37. | |
all the same size. And made up kind of our own virtual map. | :39:38. | :39:42. | |
We can see from some of the colours spread around most of the | :39:43. | :39:44. | |
constituencies have at least some of the seats filled. | :39:45. | :39:48. | |
They're marked on the floor. Red is the DUP. Let's take a closer | :39:49. | :39:54. | |
look and look at North Down. As you can see, three seats filled there so | :39:55. | :39:58. | |
far. We can take a closer look and see who the three new MLAs are. | :39:59. | :40:11. | |
No big surprises there. Let's look elsewhere on our virtual map. Let's | :40:12. | :40:15. | |
look at Mid Ulster. Of course that's Michelle O'Neill's constituency. | :40:16. | :40:21. | |
Is she back in? Yes, we heard from her earlier, back along with the | :40:22. | :40:25. | |
DUP's Keith Buchanan, Sinn Fein and the DUP together. We haven't seen | :40:26. | :40:29. | |
that often in recent weeks but we saw it in the studio a short time | :40:30. | :40:32. | |
ago. Let's move on, let's have a quick | :40:33. | :40:38. | |
look elsewhere. Let's look maybe at Newry and Armagh. There it is. | :40:39. | :40:44. | |
Finding my bearings! Two seats filled so far. One for the DUP and | :40:45. | :40:49. | |
one for Sinn Fein. That's really been the pattern so far. The DUP and | :40:50. | :40:54. | |
Sinn Fein neck-and-neck, more or less, across the 18 constituencies. | :40:55. | :41:00. | |
But it's early days. As the day unfolds, you heard Jeffrey Donaldson | :41:01. | :41:03. | |
say that, they're hoping that the DUP are hoping that more of this map | :41:04. | :41:06. | |
will turn red. That's the situation so far. | :41:07. | :41:10. | |
The new political map is starting to take shape. | :41:11. | :41:17. | |
And it is absolutely fascinating, I can confirm that Michaella Boyle and | :41:18. | :41:22. | |
Eric McElduff have been elected in West Tyrone. Colum Eastwood, the | :41:23. | :41:31. | |
SDLP leader, joins us from his constituency in Derry. You did not | :41:32. | :41:37. | |
top the poll but you came in a couple of thousand first preference | :41:38. | :41:42. | |
votes behind Elisha McCallion, you will hang onto that seat. Any idea | :41:43. | :41:47. | |
how soon that announcement will be made? We're not sure, we're going | :41:48. | :41:54. | |
through a number of counts, we have increased our vote in this | :41:55. | :41:59. | |
constituency and are very happy, two elected, Sinn Fein have had a | :42:00. | :42:02. | |
fantastic result and across the North. Coming in ahead of us but the | :42:03. | :42:08. | |
SDLP vote has held up and is going up and were very content. Confident | :42:09. | :42:15. | |
that Mark H Durkan will be successful? Two Sinn Fein and SDLP | :42:16. | :42:20. | |
and the fifth seed going to Gary Middleton, that would be the end of | :42:21. | :42:24. | |
Eamonn McCann? That is most likely but I would not count out Eamonn | :42:25. | :42:30. | |
McCann, there are a lot of transfers yet but Gary Middleton is the | :42:31. | :42:37. | |
favourite. As far as the SDLP is concerned, the headline bad news is | :42:38. | :42:42. | |
Alex Attwood, the very high-profile member of the party, first elected | :42:43. | :42:48. | |
to the Assembly in 1998, has been eliminated? Were very sorry about | :42:49. | :42:57. | |
that, Alex was in a very uphill battle and he has given his life to | :42:58. | :43:01. | |
Ireland and the party and the peace process and was so involved in | :43:02. | :43:04. | |
bringing about many important changes that we have seen in the | :43:05. | :43:09. | |
country and we can be very proud of him and we will miss him very much | :43:10. | :43:15. | |
in the Assembly team. He understood himself he was in a battle with | :43:16. | :43:20. | |
proceeds going down to only five and the obvious Sinn Fein surge and the | :43:21. | :43:25. | |
polarised nature of this election but Alex has been a true and good | :43:26. | :43:30. | |
servant to the people of this country for many years and the SDLP | :43:31. | :43:33. | |
in terms of the Assembly team will miss him. I wonder what he will do? | :43:34. | :43:40. | |
It is very tough somebody to find the door closed on a pretty | :43:41. | :43:45. | |
successful career. He was the minister in the Executive and a | :43:46. | :43:51. | |
significant backroom tactician. What does the future hold for somebody | :43:52. | :43:58. | |
like him? It has just happened, he will have time to think about what | :43:59. | :44:02. | |
he will do next and Alex was a fantastic minister and very | :44:03. | :44:07. | |
important to us in the Assembly team, I relied very heavily on him | :44:08. | :44:11. | |
and if you think back to the years of service he gave through very | :44:12. | :44:16. | |
difficult times in that tough constituency, and he also was at the | :44:17. | :44:19. | |
forefront of turning around the policing structures in the north to | :44:20. | :44:24. | |
make it easier for people from my community to join the police or | :44:25. | :44:27. | |
easier for us to see change in the policing service and he has done so | :44:28. | :44:33. | |
many things to be proud of in his record of delivery for people across | :44:34. | :44:37. | |
this country and he should be very proud of himself. If you are looking | :44:38. | :44:42. | |
for shafts of light, not many for the SDLP at the moment, Joe Boyle in | :44:43. | :44:47. | |
Strangford is still in the mix for that fifth seat? The best | :44:48. | :44:51. | |
performance by a national list there. He was almost there last May, | :44:52. | :44:57. | |
there has never been a nationalist member returned in that | :44:58. | :45:00. | |
constituency. He might just be able to sneak in? Yes, go has had a poor | :45:01. | :45:10. | |
-- a fantastic performance, and all of our candidates across the North | :45:11. | :45:16. | |
have been putting up our votes and I have been in this game too long to | :45:17. | :45:20. | |
make any predictions, we are in the hunt for a lot of those fifth seats. | :45:21. | :45:25. | |
The public have voted, but let the counters do their job and we will | :45:26. | :45:31. | |
not make any predictions! I have got that wrong before. Many of our | :45:32. | :45:37. | |
people are in the hunt for those seats and it is clear this has been | :45:38. | :45:42. | |
utterly polarising election and nationalists have been so angry and | :45:43. | :45:46. | |
they have come out in big numbers and Sinn Fein have the beneficiary. | :45:47. | :45:52. | |
Thank you for giving us your time. We will talk to you when you are | :45:53. | :45:56. | |
returned later on in the day. Thank you. SDLP leader Colum Eastwood at | :45:57. | :46:05. | |
the Foyle College. We can hear from Newton Emerson and Professor Rick | :46:06. | :46:13. | |
Wilford. -- Foyle count. The mixed message across the board, the Ulster | :46:14. | :46:21. | |
Unionists for the SDLP are squeezed, the Allianz seem pretty happy, you | :46:22. | :46:25. | |
would wonder how all of those things are possible at the same time? -- | :46:26. | :46:31. | |
the Alliance Party. The combined nationalist vote over the last cycle | :46:32. | :46:38. | |
has fallen and this time it has uplifted considerably and Sinn Fein | :46:39. | :46:44. | |
by the net beneficiary. You might argue this is an indication of the | :46:45. | :46:47. | |
decision to trigger the election by Martin McGuinness but you could | :46:48. | :46:52. | |
argue that was because the Sinn Fein leadership were pretty slow | :46:53. | :46:57. | |
learners, it took them a number of months to gauge the antipathy felt | :46:58. | :47:03. | |
within heartland areas in terms of their general distaste with the way | :47:04. | :47:08. | |
in which the last ten months had gone prior to this election. It | :47:09. | :47:13. | |
looks to me like Sinn Fein proportionately, their vote is | :47:14. | :47:17. | |
increased in terms of the relative number of seats they will win. The | :47:18. | :47:22. | |
DUP have gone down a little and the bad news is for the Ulster Unionists | :47:23. | :47:27. | |
and the SDLP, I am not sure they will reach double figures. That is | :47:28. | :47:33. | |
bad news for Mike Nesbitt and Danny Kennedy, unsuccessful in Newry and | :47:34. | :47:37. | |
Armagh, there is no obvious successor to Mike Nesbitt because he | :47:38. | :47:42. | |
cannot survive that count of hit he might get from the voters. The | :47:43. | :47:46. | |
Alliance vote has held up because they are much more transfer friendly | :47:47. | :47:51. | |
compared to other parties. Mike Nesbitt, that strategy of voting for | :47:52. | :47:59. | |
me has not worked. That has not chimed with the voters. The DUP | :48:00. | :48:05. | |
played that old trick, if you don't want a Sinn Fein First Minister, you | :48:06. | :48:10. | |
must back the DUP and it has worked again. They are safe in terms of | :48:11. | :48:16. | |
getting beyond the 30 mark. I think they will sneak over that line. | :48:17. | :48:22. | |
Just. Sinn Fein will be very close on their tail and not very far | :48:23. | :48:28. | |
behind the 28 seats they had in me. It is obvious but in our model of | :48:29. | :48:33. | |
devolution there is only room for three parties- unionist, | :48:34. | :48:35. | |
nationalists and other and if devolution is going to come back | :48:36. | :48:39. | |
under this model, which is dubious in the short term, the long-term | :48:40. | :48:43. | |
lesson is that going into opposition was toxic for the UUP and the SDLP, | :48:44. | :48:50. | |
they are about to be crushed out of existence and that three party era | :48:51. | :48:56. | |
has arrived. West Tyrone, Thomas Buchanan of the DUP topping the poll | :48:57. | :49:02. | |
with over 9000 first preferences and Michaella Boyle and Barry McElduff | :49:03. | :49:05. | |
aren't Sinn Fein in second and third. That personifies this, these | :49:06. | :49:13. | |
big beasts, Sinn Fein and the DUP, slugging thing site in West Tyrone | :49:14. | :49:16. | |
and they are at the top of the leaderboard. The story of the | :49:17. | :49:19. | |
election and the anger that Colum Eastwood referred to at Martina | :49:20. | :49:23. | |
Anderson talked about in the nationalist community is what this | :49:24. | :49:28. | |
mandate for Fein means? To go back into Stormont reject Stormont? This | :49:29. | :49:34. | |
was a campaign fought on anger at Stormont politics. What is the Sinn | :49:35. | :49:37. | |
Fein message to take from the voters? Stay away or go storming | :49:38. | :49:45. | |
back in? I have not done countless doors and have spoken to thousands | :49:46. | :49:50. | |
of people over the past number of weeks through talking to people on | :49:51. | :49:55. | |
the phone and at the doorstep and there is a genuine hunger and thirst | :49:56. | :50:00. | |
for a political institution that is based on equality and respect and | :50:01. | :50:06. | |
integrity. Is that Stormont? That is Stormont. You think Sinn Fein voters | :50:07. | :50:12. | |
want Stormont to work? Based on the principles of the Good Friday | :50:13. | :50:17. | |
Agreement. Based on what people voted for. For instance, you cannot | :50:18. | :50:21. | |
ignore this, in the middle of this election we had this tsunami of | :50:22. | :50:26. | |
Brexit coming down the line and there was debate within | :50:27. | :50:32. | |
republicanism about consent but as stated in the Good Friday Agreement, | :50:33. | :50:37. | |
an international agreement, it was lodged at the United Nations, which | :50:38. | :50:43. | |
Jeffrey left his party over, it stated that the constitutional | :50:44. | :50:46. | |
position of the North would not change without the consent of the | :50:47. | :50:50. | |
people. Not exactly, that Northern Ireland would cease to become of the | :50:51. | :50:56. | |
UK and become part of Ireland. There is no legal breach of the agreement | :50:57. | :51:00. | |
and if there is any political bridge, that is a political issue. | :51:01. | :51:08. | |
It does not have to be... I sat on the constitutional committee in | :51:09. | :51:15. | |
Brussels and we commissioned legal advice and searched... I read that | :51:16. | :51:22. | |
advice. Not in relation to the Human Rights Act, entrance of this advice, | :51:23. | :51:27. | |
the committee report states clearly that Brexit will require an | :51:28. | :51:33. | |
alteration to the Good Friday Agreement. There are to be no | :51:34. | :51:38. | |
alterations to the agreement without the consent of the people. In this | :51:39. | :51:46. | |
60 page report, one unreferenced line mentions that as an aside. It | :51:47. | :51:51. | |
is more than one mentioned, there is a paragraph. Here is the issue. We | :51:52. | :51:58. | |
are where we are and there are elements of that which you do not | :51:59. | :52:02. | |
like and we have to move forward and the Supreme Court has made its | :52:03. | :52:05. | |
ruling in London and whether people like this or not, Brexit is | :52:06. | :52:10. | |
happening. There might be flexibility on precisely what that | :52:11. | :52:13. | |
means but nobody is realistically suggesting that this will not | :52:14. | :52:18. | |
happen? There is a lot of goodwill in Europe for the case we have made | :52:19. | :52:25. | |
for designated special status, there are 25 overseas territories in | :52:26. | :52:28. | |
Europe who don't have the starters were looking for because that is | :52:29. | :52:31. | |
something additional but there is political will and I have met with | :52:32. | :52:39. | |
the negotiator, I am one of those negotiators in the parliament on | :52:40. | :52:42. | |
Brexit, we have met with commissioners and talked to parties | :52:43. | :52:46. | |
whose government is around the council table and we have talked to | :52:47. | :52:51. | |
hundreds of MEPs and they are all willing to assist us. In not | :52:52. | :52:56. | |
wrecking the peace process and having a hard border in the middle | :52:57. | :53:01. | |
of Ireland. Don't make problems when do not exist. Where does that leave | :53:02. | :53:08. | |
the DUP? I have not met anybody talking about the need for a hard | :53:09. | :53:13. | |
border. If Martina is going to get what she is aiming for, some count | :53:14. | :53:18. | |
of special arrangement, she is going to have to get the agreement of the | :53:19. | :53:23. | |
DUP for that. And we don't have any government here, we don't have a | :53:24. | :53:29. | |
chance of achieving any of the things that Martina is talking | :53:30. | :53:34. | |
about. Because the decision will be made by James Brokenshire and his | :53:35. | :53:39. | |
team? Exactly right, we have three weeks from this election, it looks | :53:40. | :53:44. | |
like the DUP and Sinn Fein as the largest parties, the people voted | :53:45. | :53:46. | |
for us to get back into government and the challenge is... This is why | :53:47. | :53:52. | |
I think it is incredibly counter-productive for Sinn Fein to | :53:53. | :53:57. | |
be talking about preconditions and red lines, the people have voted, | :53:58. | :54:01. | |
they want a government formed and they wanted formed right now. Is the | :54:02. | :54:08. | |
flexibility going to be there on the part of the DUP over the next few | :54:09. | :54:13. | |
weeks to make this happen? Clearly you will have a mandate but | :54:14. | :54:18. | |
Martina's party will also have a real, fresh mandate for people who | :54:19. | :54:21. | |
took the time to vote in considerable numbers? And we respect | :54:22. | :54:26. | |
that mandate and we ask that Sinn Fein respect the DUP mandate. What | :54:27. | :54:32. | |
people voted for with the DUP is something different to people who | :54:33. | :54:37. | |
voted for Sinn Fein and we have to agree a programme for government and | :54:38. | :54:42. | |
get the budget agreed and move forward. I am saying that we can | :54:43. | :54:46. | |
only do that with the government, we have three weeks to form a | :54:47. | :54:49. | |
government and the DUP is ready to do that. We are not setting | :54:50. | :54:55. | |
preconditions or any red lines, get the government running and deal with | :54:56. | :55:00. | |
these issues, including how we handle the question of Brexit. I | :55:01. | :55:04. | |
want to let people know that Carla Lockhart topped the poll in Upper | :55:05. | :55:07. | |
Bann. We have some pictures of her at the count centre. Professionally, | :55:08. | :55:14. | |
you spend a lot of time looking at this. How do you square that circle? | :55:15. | :55:20. | |
It seems that there is not a lot of common ground between Martina and | :55:21. | :55:25. | |
Jeffrey on this subject? Big picture politics but this will influence | :55:26. | :55:31. | |
what happens in the coming months? And on Brexit, squaring the circle | :55:32. | :55:35. | |
will be difficult. The default position is that Sinn Fein will rely | :55:36. | :55:39. | |
on primarily the Irish government and other friendly voices in the EU | :55:40. | :55:44. | |
and Jeffrey Donaldson must be prepared to rely on the proxy of | :55:45. | :55:51. | |
James Brokenshire to conduct Brexit negotiations for us. Jeffrey says | :55:52. | :55:54. | |
there is no red line but there is one. You will not let Sinn Fein | :55:55. | :56:00. | |
determine who will be First Minister if the DUP emerges as the single | :56:01. | :56:04. | |
largest party. Sinn Fein say it cannot be Arlene Foster until a | :56:05. | :56:09. | |
report exonerates her and that could take another year. In the interim, | :56:10. | :56:14. | |
the risk is that on Brexit in particular and closer to home, the | :56:15. | :56:18. | |
absence of any budget or a programme for government, we will have to rely | :56:19. | :56:25. | |
on others to act on our behalf. In a part of the UK which is deeply | :56:26. | :56:29. | |
divided over the issue of Brexit. I cannot see at the moment, given the | :56:30. | :56:36. | |
clear antipathy is between Sinn Fein and the DUP that we will see any | :56:37. | :56:39. | |
Executive in the next few weeks. What might happen is it might be | :56:40. | :56:46. | |
like the wake of the 2003 election with the transition Assembly, bodies | :56:47. | :56:54. | |
being given work to do to prepare for government and agree a | :56:55. | :56:57. | |
programme, I can see the Assembly sitting but I cannot see at the | :56:58. | :57:05. | |
moment there being any Executive. Plus OFMDFM. That comes back to the | :57:06. | :57:10. | |
point that Newton Emerson made, what is Sinn Fein going to do? Where do | :57:11. | :57:17. | |
they think the most political leverage they can exercise is, this | :57:18. | :57:24. | |
is an existential issue, Brexit, and on this island. Where are they going | :57:25. | :57:31. | |
to have any agreed plan from where our own Executive is about the | :57:32. | :57:36. | |
Brexit position is going to be? We must rely on proxy. | :57:37. | :57:40. | |
We can continue that conversation in due course. I want to give you all | :57:41. | :57:46. | |
an update on numbers. I mentioned that car la Lockhart topped the poll | :57:47. | :57:51. | |
in Upper Bann. Doug Beattie outpolled Joanne Dobson, that's not | :57:52. | :57:58. | |
what happened last May. The raw figures, Doug Beattie 5467. Joanne | :57:59. | :58:04. | |
Dobson 5132. Then Dolores Kelly. It's interesting down there. People | :58:05. | :58:11. | |
thought based on last May Doug Beattie could be in trouble. Fill | :58:12. | :58:19. | |
Lib Mc Guigan of Sinn Fein is not elected yet but probably will be | :58:20. | :58:27. | |
soon. We have got... Deputy leader of Sinn Fein arriving at the Belfast | :58:28. | :58:33. | |
count centre. There she is. Being embraced by party workers. There is | :58:34. | :58:38. | |
Pat Sheehan. Alex Maskey, who else, Gerry Kelly there, as well. Fra | :58:39. | :58:45. | |
McCann. Getting a warm welcome. A short time ago in Belfast at the | :58:46. | :58:51. | |
Titanic Exhibition Centre our reporter spoke to people before - | :58:52. | :58:56. | |
spoke to People Before Profit Gerry Carroll and asked if Sinn Fein had | :58:57. | :59:01. | |
taken the wind out of their sails. As the campaign went on it didn't | :59:02. | :59:08. | |
really feel - it felt more like the last stand, the establishment | :59:09. | :59:10. | |
parties in West Belfast threw a hell of a lot of resources against People | :59:11. | :59:18. | |
Before Profit and they misrepresented our critique and | :59:19. | :59:21. | |
tried to put us in a box with the DUP, which is ironic because they | :59:22. | :59:24. | |
were in power with the DUP for ten years. I think also there is an | :59:25. | :59:30. | |
element of people thinking the best way to stand against Arlene Foster | :59:31. | :59:35. | |
and her arrogance and her refusal to support equal marriage, there was an | :59:36. | :59:38. | |
idea that people thought initially the best way was to vote Sinn Fein. | :59:39. | :59:43. | |
But the question for Sinn Fein now is are they going to go into a | :59:44. | :59:53. | |
Government without... Were they trying to steal your... They were | :59:54. | :59:57. | |
talking about equality, our politics is red, our material is red, there | :59:58. | :00:01. | |
was an element of that. It's worth saying that Sinn Fein in terms of | :00:02. | :00:05. | |
RHI had their hands all over it. They were very late in the day to | :00:06. | :00:09. | |
have any action and to call action and to do something concrete about | :00:10. | :00:14. | |
RHI. I felt pressure on parties like People Before Profit in West Belfast | :00:15. | :00:19. | |
and Derry. To what extent did your stand on Brexit have an impact? I | :00:20. | :00:24. | |
think it had an impact because like I said it was all over West Belfast, | :00:25. | :00:29. | |
there was posters put up misrepresenting People Before | :00:30. | :00:31. | |
Profit's left-wing socialist critique of the EU, there were | :00:32. | :00:36. | |
posters put up saying hard border wraut to you by People Before | :00:37. | :00:39. | |
Profit, it's worth saying nobody is calling for a hard border. | :00:40. | :00:45. | |
That was Gerry Carroll talking to our reporter David Maxwell at the | :00:46. | :00:49. | |
Titanic Exhibition Centre. He didn't do as well this time as last May. | :00:50. | :00:54. | |
Although he should, it looks like he should keep his seat. Let's hear | :00:55. | :00:59. | |
more from the panel. Martina, Rick was putting forward a question to | :01:00. | :01:04. | |
you, which is what precisely does Sinn Fein do next? You have raised | :01:05. | :01:07. | |
your concerns, raised the issues, Jeffrey has talked about them, as | :01:08. | :01:11. | |
well, we heard from Newton and from Rick. But what happens next? When | :01:12. | :01:14. | |
you are faced with a possibility of either making Stormont work again or | :01:15. | :01:20. | |
direct rule, which do you go for? Well, it's obviously about making | :01:21. | :01:25. | |
Stormont work, based on the principles of equality, respect and | :01:26. | :01:31. | |
integrity. I don't know what Jeffrey finds offensive about any of those | :01:32. | :01:34. | |
words. I would actually conclude, dare I speak for the DUP voters, I | :01:35. | :01:38. | |
wouldn't attempt to do that, we actually do respect the fact that | :01:39. | :01:43. | |
you have got a mandate, but I do believe that for the few unionists | :01:44. | :01:49. | |
that I have spoken to, I have heard comments made to me personally and | :01:50. | :01:57. | |
on programmes that people found Arlene Foster's arrogance as | :01:58. | :02:01. | |
offensive in that community as it was deeply offensive in my own. With | :02:02. | :02:06. | |
respect, republicans don't have a monopoly on respect. Absolutely. And | :02:07. | :02:09. | |
equality and integrity. Those are words. God bless us, we want... | :02:10. | :02:14. | |
Sure, we want everyone, we would love everyone to use them, if | :02:15. | :02:17. | |
everyone would use them and we would all start to apply them. It's | :02:18. | :02:20. | |
practising them that counts. Exactly. The Good Friday Agreement | :02:21. | :02:25. | |
promised 20 years ago a bill of rights for people in your community | :02:26. | :02:29. | |
that would be able to have rights in addition to the European convention | :02:30. | :02:33. | |
of human rights. What's offensive about that, Jeffrey? That's about | :02:34. | :02:38. | |
your constituency and my constituency and all of the people | :02:39. | :02:42. | |
benefitting regardless of what political party they vote for or | :02:43. | :02:49. | |
what tradition they come from. Is that not an oversimplification of | :02:50. | :02:52. | |
it? It's not. There is no such things for rights for one | :02:53. | :02:55. | |
constituency. Of course it is. I am not going to repeat and get into the | :02:56. | :03:01. | |
whataboutery, I could go on all day about Sinn Fein's lack of respect | :03:02. | :03:05. | |
for Northern Ireland's identity, for the British identity of the unionist | :03:06. | :03:11. | |
community. You know, but let's look ahead. Our colleagues here have made | :03:12. | :03:20. | |
some very I think important points. The greatest issue here is where is | :03:21. | :03:23. | |
Northern Ireland going in the wake of Brexit, in the wake of all of the | :03:24. | :03:26. | |
big things that are happening out in the world? Northern Ireland is not | :03:27. | :03:29. | |
immune from what's happening in the wider world. We need a Government to | :03:30. | :03:34. | |
sort that out. Do you want to work together, can Sinn Fein and the DUP | :03:35. | :03:37. | |
work together on a common goal of avoiding direct rule? I suppose | :03:38. | :03:40. | |
that's the question people would like an answer to. It's a question | :03:41. | :03:44. | |
we want an answer to. Let me be clear, I can only speak for the DUP. | :03:45. | :03:50. | |
You are part of this conversation. I am going to speak... Absolutely, I | :03:51. | :03:54. | |
am going to speak for the DUP. We want this to work. We are up for it. | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
We stand ready. We will be at the door of Stormont on Monday ready | :04:00. | :04:02. | |
within the next three weeks to form a Government. We will not be setting | :04:03. | :04:06. | |
preconditions. We want to get, because we believe that you have to | :04:07. | :04:10. | |
be in the Government to take the decisions to enable Northern Ireland | :04:11. | :04:13. | |
to move forward. Now the question for Sinn Fein is will they be there, | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
are they ready to be in Government? Are they prepared to take that step? | :04:18. | :04:23. | |
OK. Newton, quick thought? The red line on the First Minister does | :04:24. | :04:26. | |
appear to be the only red line Sinn Fein has drawn, does appear to be a | :04:27. | :04:30. | |
stalling motion for at least six months to a year, presumably to see | :04:31. | :04:34. | |
how Brexit works out, it appears so obvious that Gerry Adams is kicking | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
the ball up in the air to see where it lands. I agree, I think we will | :04:39. | :04:43. | |
get an Assembly all right, we won't get an Executive. If Brokenshire | :04:44. | :04:48. | |
takes over what kind of direct rule are we going to get? Is it going to | :04:49. | :04:56. | |
be a hard Brexit approach or not? What would it take to lever Sinn | :04:57. | :05:02. | |
Fein into an Executive if the DUP then insist as they - would be | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
appropriate for them to do, to insist that Arlene Foster is their | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
nominee for First Minister. We will give people time to think about | :05:11. | :05:12. | |
that. We will leave that question hanging in the air and come back and | :05:13. | :05:16. | |
hear what people think about it. I want to go back to Tara. We have | :05:17. | :05:22. | |
been on air, I thought it was three hours, it's a couple of hours on | :05:23. | :05:29. | |
air. We have a few results. . How would sum up the mood where you are | :05:30. | :05:35. | |
at the Titanic Exhibition Centre? Lots of issues to discuss. Mary Lou | :05:36. | :05:40. | |
McDonald just arrived to a rapturous welcome as you saw earlier on. Let's | :05:41. | :05:46. | |
talk about some stories now with Chris Donnelly, political | :05:47. | :05:52. | |
commentator and Michael Mc Gipsey. You would be best known as health | :05:53. | :05:54. | |
Minister. What's the story today, can you give a sense of what numbers | :05:55. | :05:58. | |
you think it's going to be, do you think around ten? I think it's very | :05:59. | :06:04. | |
hard to tell. We have a long way to go. It's fair to say we haven't done | :06:05. | :06:08. | |
as well as we had hoped and there would be a measure of disappointment | :06:09. | :06:13. | |
in the number. I think probably ten is on the low side. Ten to 12, but | :06:14. | :06:17. | |
it's not the breakthrough we were hoping for. I have to be honest and | :06:18. | :06:21. | |
admit that. What do you think that is down to? Well, I think we got | :06:22. | :06:27. | |
caught between the two big parties. It's like a tribal vote. A tribal | :06:28. | :06:35. | |
class. Sinn Fein galvanised their vote and at the same time the DUP to | :06:36. | :06:38. | |
an extent got their vote out, as well. There is very little room left | :06:39. | :06:42. | |
for manoeuvre for ourselves and the SDLP. Was it down to Mike's comments | :06:43. | :06:47. | |
about transferring to the SDLP? I think there is a lot more to it than | :06:48. | :06:50. | |
that. Certainly if you want to win elections and do well you have to | :06:51. | :06:53. | |
have a clear message, you have to sell that message with sincerity and | :06:54. | :06:58. | |
you must not make mistakes. I think we would look at that and in terms | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
of our organisation and in terms of the way we go forward perhaps there | :07:03. | :07:07. | |
are lessons to be learned. I think it's early days yet. There will be a | :07:08. | :07:12. | |
few surprises left in this count before it's all over. If it is | :07:13. | :07:16. | |
around ten or 11 do you think Mike's leadership is in question? I think | :07:17. | :07:20. | |
the fact is we are a Democratic Party. We have an election for | :07:21. | :07:26. | |
leader every year. Our AGM is at the end of March so you will not have | :07:27. | :07:30. | |
long to wait to get the answer to that question. You have to say who | :07:31. | :07:36. | |
else is standing in the wings looking to carry the gauntlet, carry | :07:37. | :07:41. | |
the torch? I would have thought that - I would be surprised if we saw a | :07:42. | :07:47. | |
challenge to Mike's leadership at the current moment and time. When | :07:48. | :07:53. | |
you are looking at our performance at council and at Westminster, we | :07:54. | :07:57. | |
have a very big membership, it hasn't worked on this occasion, | :07:58. | :08:02. | |
perhaps the way we wanted it to. We will look at that and we will look | :08:03. | :08:05. | |
at how we could have done things better. Really in this election this | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
was the time you should have been able to capitalise on the anger that | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
people feet about RHI. They should have been switching to the Ulster | :08:14. | :08:16. | |
Unionist party, but in some cases it looks as if they were switching to | :08:17. | :08:24. | |
the Alliance Party. I think that's certainly in Belfast, that appears | :08:25. | :08:27. | |
to be the case. At the same time we have done well in North Down and in | :08:28. | :08:33. | |
East Belfast. It looks like it was a swing to Alliance Party in | :08:34. | :08:38. | |
Strangford. In Strangford, they have one MLA. In Strangford, so it's by | :08:39. | :08:43. | |
no means the breakthrough, they already had an MLA. Although the | :08:44. | :08:47. | |
vote increased and she outpolled Mike Nesbitt who topped the poll | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
last time. That's true, but it didn't affect the seats. We have to | :08:52. | :08:55. | |
wait and look at how we do overall. We will be looking carefully at all | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
of those seats, and those constituencies where the DUP hold | :09:01. | :09:05. | |
three seats and how well those three seats or DUP constituencies will | :09:06. | :09:09. | |
survive and we will look at it again, coming from 108 to 90 is | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
always difficult, the quota going up to over 7,000, it's difficult for | :09:15. | :09:19. | |
us. We will analyse it better once we get the full result. Chris, a | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
quick word on the nationalist story. Obviously, big gains for Sinn Fein, | :09:25. | :09:27. | |
they've got the vote out, they've done well. Some could argue it | :09:28. | :09:30. | |
wasn't that difficult given some ammunition they were given from the | :09:31. | :09:33. | |
other side. Yes, I think that's true, Tara. The main story of this | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
election is the reawakening of nationalism from a slumber which had | :09:39. | :09:41. | |
been a theme over the last four or five elections. Just thinking last | :09:42. | :09:46. | |
year, the 2016 election, the nationalist party, Sinn Fein, the | :09:47. | :09:51. | |
SDLP, only managed to Garner 36% of the vote between them. There are - | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
overall share of seats fell to 40. Sinn Fein are on course to perhaps | :09:56. | :10:00. | |
at the minimum get 26 seats now, they could even match the 28 seats | :10:01. | :10:04. | |
they had in the Assembly chamber last year when there was 108 seats | :10:05. | :10:09. | |
overall. Right across the north we are seeing nationalists coming out | :10:10. | :10:13. | |
and crucially in a number of constituencies the turnout with | :10:14. | :10:15. | |
nationalism and unionism is such that the likes of Newry and Armagh, | :10:16. | :10:25. | |
west Tyrone, Mid Ulster, and even in North Belfast which is in a | :10:26. | :10:27. | |
psychologically sense a significant development there could be three | :10:28. | :10:29. | |
nationalists and two unionists elected. We will hear more from you | :10:30. | :10:33. | |
later. For now, Michael and Chris, thank you very much. | :10:34. | :10:39. | |
Thank you very much. Interesting battle is developing in East | :10:40. | :10:44. | |
Londonderry. I am pleased to say we are joined about by the independent | :10:45. | :10:50. | |
candidate Clare Sugden. Nobody returned as yet but you have a | :10:51. | :10:55. | |
decent vote just under 5,000 first preferences, you are in 4th place in | :10:56. | :10:59. | |
a five-seater at the moment. Are you quietly confident? | :11:00. | :11:04. | |
Yes, I am quietly confident, increasing my vote by over 1,500 | :11:05. | :11:10. | |
votes as of last year. So delighted with the turn out and the people | :11:11. | :11:13. | |
that came out to vote for me yesterday. | :11:14. | :11:20. | |
Talk me through the numbers, Keith arch I bald, 5800, and then the | :11:21. | :11:25. | |
second Sinn Fein candidate and yourself and George Robinson and | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
Caral Ni Chuilin of the DUP, does it look like the DUP will lose a seat | :11:30. | :11:35. | |
and the SDLP will lose a seat as there was a split there? No. | :11:36. | :11:40. | |
Certainly I think that the third DUP seed is vulnerable, as is the SDLP | :11:41. | :11:45. | |
seat. We are in a position where there will be transfers before | :11:46. | :11:50. | |
anyone is elected. I am transfer friendly, being independent so I | :11:51. | :11:55. | |
hope to put up my numbers up to get to the quota, hopefully today but | :11:56. | :12:01. | |
maybe Saturday. There is a changing representation in East Londonderry, | :12:02. | :12:04. | |
with the turnout, I'm delighted to see so many voting. The people have | :12:05. | :12:08. | |
spoken and when the political parties are negotiating post | :12:09. | :12:11. | |
election, I hope that they take it into account. | :12:12. | :12:18. | |
Turnout in the constituency is up 11.9 percentage points. And broadly | :12:19. | :12:22. | |
in line with what is happening elsewhere. Claire, transfers, you | :12:23. | :12:31. | |
are hoping to pick up transfers, maybe even from Gerry mull yen, | :12:32. | :12:38. | |
former SDLP, now Independent, so you should hoover up. I wonder what your | :12:39. | :12:42. | |
reading is across Northern Ireland, though? It looks like the DUP has | :12:43. | :12:47. | |
done well. Like Sinn Fein has done very well it looks like Alliance has | :12:48. | :12:55. | |
held on. The opposite ends of the spectrum doing well, the middle | :12:56. | :12:59. | |
ground doing well but a squeeze on the Ulster Unionist Party and the | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
SDLP? I'm not surprised. It is all very well, saying we must change the | :13:05. | :13:08. | |
status quo but there must be an alternative. The SDLP and the Ulster | :13:09. | :13:15. | |
Unionist Party have been jumping on the coat tails of the RHI scandal. | :13:16. | :13:20. | |
Not taking leadership. It disheartens me as well. | :13:21. | :13:26. | |
I would be a moderate candidate. I would like to see progressive | :13:27. | :13:29. | |
politics moving forward. Hopefully there can be a solution to get back | :13:30. | :13:32. | |
up and running. OK. We will see. Those are the | :13:33. | :13:38. | |
numbers for a while today and maybe tomorrow. | :13:39. | :13:43. | |
Claire Sugden joining us there from the Foyle arena in Derry. | :13:44. | :13:50. | |
Now to the Aaura Leisure Centre in Bangor. | :13:51. | :13:56. | |
And Steven Warren has a guest. The only Ulster Unionist Party with a | :13:57. | :13:59. | |
success so far is that right? That's right. | :14:00. | :14:07. | |
There is a successful candidate with me, Alan Sheamus, congratulations. | :14:08. | :14:10. | |
The sole Ulster Unionist Party in Northern Ireland going to the | :14:11. | :14:14. | |
Assembly. How does it feel? A huge responsibility. But I'm up for it. | :14:15. | :14:19. | |
A bad day for the party? Well it is not looking good in some areas at | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
the moment. But with the way that PR elections have gone, I've been | :14:24. | :14:28. | |
around elections in Northern Ireland for 25 years, I've seen people | :14:29. | :14:33. | |
salvage seats in the last-minute in the last count. So imoptimistic. | :14:34. | :14:39. | |
Your party could be down to single figures? It's been put forward but | :14:40. | :14:44. | |
the sad thing is that some of the people we may lose them but I hope | :14:45. | :14:50. | |
not. They are good people. I'ved worked with them in Stormont. They | :14:51. | :14:53. | |
are making a contribution to Northern Ireland. | :14:54. | :14:58. | |
It would be sad to lose them. Why couldn't you make a break | :14:59. | :15:01. | |
through? We hope that Northern Ireland will have elections on bread | :15:02. | :15:06. | |
and butter issues but it keeps getting caught back to the orange | :15:07. | :15:09. | |
and green election it is really very sad. You wonder when will we ever | :15:10. | :15:15. | |
have normal politics? What about the comments to the vote transfers? The | :15:16. | :15:22. | |
comments resonated positively for me as can be seen from my personal | :15:23. | :15:26. | |
vote. It went up from 3,000 to almost 7,000. | :15:27. | :15:30. | |
But it is not the same story in Strangford? I'm not so sure. But we | :15:31. | :15:36. | |
will wait and see at the final count. I don't see the difference in | :15:37. | :15:43. | |
Strangford until it was in May? Confident of the leader. I am. | :15:44. | :15:47. | |
Thank you very much. Back to Belfast. | :15:48. | :15:51. | |
Stephen, thank you very much. Let's get another story from one of our | :15:52. | :16:00. | |
correspondents, Julian Fowler is giving us the story at Fermanagh | :16:01. | :16:05. | |
South Tyrone. Arlene Foster top the poll but not | :16:06. | :16:12. | |
elected yet? No. A different to last year, Arlene Foster polled 8101 | :16:13. | :16:19. | |
votes. But this time the quota increased with the higher turnout. | :16:20. | :16:25. | |
It would have been enough to get her elected but she polled 8479 first | :16:26. | :16:35. | |
preference votes, leaving her 232 votes short of the quota. Her | :16:36. | :16:40. | |
running mate has increased his vote on the last time. In real terms, the | :16:41. | :16:46. | |
DUP vote is slightly up on last year. The other interesting story | :16:47. | :16:52. | |
here is in the Sinn Fein vote. No surprise Michelle Gildernew is the | :16:53. | :16:56. | |
top of the three candidates there but in second place for Sinn Fein is | :16:57. | :17:04. | |
the new young candidate, Gemma Dolan, 1,500 votes ahead of Shaun | :17:05. | :17:12. | |
Lynch outgoing from the MLA. We have been talking about the Ulster | :17:13. | :17:17. | |
Unionist Party lagging behind and rosemary Barton is 200 votes behind | :17:18. | :17:22. | |
Shaun Lynch. But looking at the transfers and it came down to that | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
the last time, she could pick up from the Air lines and the SDLP and | :17:28. | :17:32. | |
she does have the fifth seat in her sights. So don't write off the | :17:33. | :17:40. | |
Ulster Unionist Party yet. So, a lot of big names chasing the | :17:41. | :17:46. | |
five seats down there. Big name casualties but let's drill | :17:47. | :17:50. | |
to the numbers. So many numbers, not enough time. Before we get on to a | :17:51. | :17:56. | |
couple of constituencies and do the number drilling, a word about the | :17:57. | :17:59. | |
overall picture here. We have been hearing about | :18:00. | :18:05. | |
Fermanagh, a constituency where it looks like the Ulster Unionist Party | :18:06. | :18:09. | |
and the SDLP could take a hit. It is the picture of the election. In | :18:10. | :18:13. | |
terms of the strength of the party groups, how is that looking? The DUP | :18:14. | :18:22. | |
have a maximum of 32 seats to win, the Ulster Unionists, a maximum of | :18:23. | :18:28. | |
11. Throwing in Claire Sugden, that adds up to 45. That is half of the | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
seats in the Assembly. Some of the seats are marginal. So we can | :18:34. | :18:37. | |
definitely say that there will not be as many as 45 unionists in the | :18:38. | :18:45. | |
new assembly. Maybe 44 or 43. That is a contrast to the old | :18:46. | :18:49. | |
assembly where 52% were unionists? That's right. | :18:50. | :18:58. | |
56 out of 108. To 44. And the SDLP and the Ulster Unionist | :18:59. | :19:03. | |
Party could shrink? They are going down badly. The Ulster Unionists | :19:04. | :19:09. | |
could go down to eight. The SDLP could go down to six. An awful | :19:10. | :19:14. | |
decline from where they were. We heard about West Belfast, where | :19:15. | :19:19. | |
Alex Howard has been eliminated now to Newry Armagh. There is a | :19:20. | :19:22. | |
veteran of Northern Ireland politics who may be in trouble. William Irwin | :19:23. | :19:29. | |
of the DUP came up. And Boylan as we can see. Here is | :19:30. | :19:34. | |
the share of the vote. Sinn Fein is dominant in the constituency. Let's | :19:35. | :19:38. | |
have a look at how it worked out. There were fears on the part of Sinn | :19:39. | :19:43. | |
Fein that they might lose the third seat but not on that 7% rise. | :19:44. | :19:52. | |
No. Sinn Fein was vulnerable earlier but it has stayed the same if not | :19:53. | :19:57. | |
increased. And firstly, let's have a look a the | :19:58. | :20:03. | |
swing between Sinn Fein and the SDLP, Sinn Fein putting on 4.5%age | :20:04. | :20:08. | |
points. Let's have a look at the personalities. Cathal OhOisin and | :20:09. | :20:15. | |
Megan Fearon, they are keeping their noses ahead of Danny Kennedy. Is he | :20:16. | :20:21. | |
in trouble? Worse so. I don't think he will be elected. 600 transfers | :20:22. | :20:28. | |
coming from surplus. No unionist transfers coming to take Danny | :20:29. | :20:33. | |
Kennedy to take him to less than half the distance. I don't think he | :20:34. | :20:42. | |
will keep a seat. He was saying there are just not the | :20:43. | :20:48. | |
votes for him? Yes. Now, South Down. Some extraordinary | :20:49. | :20:55. | |
individual performances, especially from Sinead Ennis. But Sinn Fein, we | :20:56. | :21:02. | |
can see there, oops, we have shifted through. Sinn Fein putting on more | :21:03. | :21:11. | |
than 7.5%. And this is an in area that was historic SDLP stronghold? | :21:12. | :21:15. | |
Yes, and Sinn Fein is now in the lead. | :21:16. | :21:19. | |
And a quick look at the swing. There is Sinn Fein, 7% swing. That is | :21:20. | :21:25. | |
remarkable. Margaret Richie is in trouble? She | :21:26. | :21:31. | |
may have to rely on the unionist voting? That is the case. | :21:32. | :21:38. | |
And if we look at who could lose out, and pointing out that Sinead | :21:39. | :21:48. | |
Ennis is well connected. And Jim Wells is looking well. | :21:49. | :21:54. | |
Are they safe, or is there a way that Patrick Brown could make a | :21:55. | :21:58. | |
break for the Alliance? It is possible. Looking at where the votes | :21:59. | :22:05. | |
are going to go, 4,000 could go to Jim Wells. | :22:06. | :22:10. | |
There could be 3500 transfer votes to Jim Wells, which it depends on | :22:11. | :22:16. | |
whether or not they follow Mike Nesbitt's advice and transfer to the | :22:17. | :22:22. | |
SDLP or the Alliance. It could be tight for them for the final seat. | :22:23. | :22:29. | |
And Carroll McKee, he will not have a seat for very long. It looks like | :22:30. | :22:35. | |
he is well and truly out. An interesting situation. | :22:36. | :22:39. | |
There have been surprises. I suspect that throughout the rest of the | :22:40. | :22:42. | |
today, tonight and tomorrow there will be a few more as well. Martina, | :22:43. | :22:48. | |
Jeffrey, Newton and are Rick are with me. We were looking at | :22:49. | :22:54. | |
the numbers, having a conversation. Gives your thoughts on where you | :22:55. | :22:59. | |
think we are now after a few hours of detailed results coming in? The | :23:00. | :23:03. | |
story of the election is the huge rise in the Sinn Fein vote a small | :23:04. | :23:10. | |
rise in the DUP vote and the centre degree is fated parties being | :23:11. | :23:17. | |
crushed. The story being missed is Allianced a the Greens having a | :23:18. | :23:23. | |
large rise. The Alliance up 4%. It fits in with the model. The future | :23:24. | :23:28. | |
at Stormont is a three party system, unionists, nationalists and other. | :23:29. | :23:34. | |
That is the only space that is left. Pictures of Alex Attwood coming into | :23:35. | :23:46. | |
the Titanic Exhibition Centre. And it doesn't matter who or how | :23:47. | :23:50. | |
important you are, you have to get a wrist band. Alex Attwood will be | :23:51. | :23:56. | |
disappointed. If you are joining us he lost his seat in West Belfast, he | :23:57. | :24:05. | |
has been an SDLP, MLA there since 1998. He will be gutted. | :24:06. | :24:10. | |
He will. But a question mark as to who would survive. The story is what | :24:11. | :24:16. | |
has opposition gained the SDLP? They have not had much time to develop | :24:17. | :24:23. | |
but they have been destroyed. Claire Sugden has risen her votes, | :24:24. | :24:30. | |
becoming the only successful independent MLA, elected because of | :24:31. | :24:35. | |
personal appeal. Doing it by being transfer friendly and also by going | :24:36. | :24:39. | |
on to the executive. She went into office, that is how she grew her | :24:40. | :24:43. | |
professional. Operation risky but it paid off? It | :24:44. | :24:47. | |
worked and proved that opposition in our system does not work. | :24:48. | :24:55. | |
And a quick word, Nicola Manageon from the SDLP there giving moral | :24:56. | :25:00. | |
support to Alex, Jeffrey, how do you feel looking at the pictures? You | :25:01. | :25:06. | |
will know Alex well. You can't be involved in politics foe in Northern | :25:07. | :25:10. | |
Ireland for 20-plus years without having fairly close relationships | :25:11. | :25:13. | |
with people. Do you feel sorry for him on a day like today? I do. Alex | :25:14. | :25:19. | |
is a decent colleague, one of the most decent I have worked with over | :25:20. | :25:23. | |
the years. We have shared many experiences in political terms. My | :25:24. | :25:27. | |
heart goes out to all of the candidates who are feeling as Alex | :25:28. | :25:31. | |
does. Alex has been around a long time in a major contribution to the | :25:32. | :25:36. | |
political negotiations and the peace process. | :25:37. | :25:40. | |
You know, it must be really tough to take that walk that he's taking now. | :25:41. | :25:44. | |
Yes, because there is no question about it, we were saying earlier, it | :25:45. | :25:49. | |
will be interesting to see when Alex Attwood appears, if so, what he will | :25:50. | :25:54. | |
say but there is a huge media interest in him being there. It | :25:55. | :25:59. | |
takes guts to do what he is doing in the full glare of the public? Yes. I | :26:00. | :26:06. | |
think that any candidate and let's face it, there will be 18 MLAs that | :26:07. | :26:13. | |
will be subjected to that scrutiny, and human beings being what we are, | :26:14. | :26:19. | |
you know, we would all feel that for any individual. I certainly feel it | :26:20. | :26:24. | |
for Alex and for any... On a personal level are you happy to see | :26:25. | :26:30. | |
the SDLP wiped out in we have Belfast by your party? What I am | :26:31. | :26:37. | |
happy about in West Belfast, we look like we are getting four Sinn Fein | :26:38. | :26:44. | |
MLAs. That is important. I would say as an observer, and it is not | :26:45. | :26:49. | |
something that the SDLP will listen to what I would say but I would | :26:50. | :26:55. | |
detect that there is a lot of negativity that sounds the | :26:56. | :27:00. | |
commentary of the SDLP. It doesn't sit well within our constituency. I | :27:01. | :27:04. | |
think, you know, there are a number... Negative commentary from | :27:05. | :27:11. | |
where? From individuals, within the SDLP, that the focus, the attack is | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
on Sinn Fein. Well, they are political opponents? | :27:17. | :27:20. | |
Of course, we have broad shoulders and can take it but being in | :27:21. | :27:26. | |
opposition, I don't think listening to Sorcha Eastwood, there today, I | :27:27. | :27:30. | |
found him subdued, I think we have to listen to the mood of the people. | :27:31. | :27:34. | |
There are things where we have common ground and there are issues | :27:35. | :27:37. | |
we could engage. It is easy to say that after the | :27:38. | :27:41. | |
election, you would not say that a week ago? We are trying to get the | :27:42. | :27:48. | |
SDLP not to support this going through... Let's not go back. | :27:49. | :27:57. | |
To be honest, with all due respect to you all, sometimes you are | :27:58. | :28:05. | |
attacking, you are who you are. That's like a get out of trouble, | :28:06. | :28:10. | |
let's not face the reality charge. We have to deal with the things that | :28:11. | :28:16. | |
impact on our constituents. That was my point. Rick, you know Alex well. | :28:17. | :28:22. | |
How will he be feeling? He is a gentleman. I'm sure his departure | :28:23. | :28:25. | |
will mark the character of the moment. It will be a graceful | :28:26. | :28:30. | |
departure, you will be graceful leaving the stage. Yes, one can't | :28:31. | :28:34. | |
help but feel something for him. I would like to come back to the point | :28:35. | :28:39. | |
made earlier about opposition and whether it's a vindication to go | :28:40. | :28:45. | |
into the executive, where is the Ulster Unionists and SDLP chose to | :28:46. | :28:50. | |
go into opposition. Strategically, in a sense, it wasn't necessarily a | :28:51. | :28:55. | |
mistake. I think the mistake was, you have to you will burn in. So | :28:56. | :29:02. | |
what the SDLP failed to do, I think, is articulate a coherent opposition | :29:03. | :29:07. | |
programme. I don't think they ever got that together. Certainly when | :29:08. | :29:11. | |
Mike said, vote for me and get Colin and so on, that was met not only | :29:12. | :29:18. | |
with antipathy among his own party, I think the initial response from | :29:19. | :29:25. | |
the SDLP was rather less fulsome. The logic of that announcement was, | :29:26. | :29:29. | |
both those parties effectively become a split Alliance party. We | :29:30. | :29:40. | |
have just a confirmation that in Newry and Armagh the SDLP have an | :29:41. | :29:50. | |
MLA returned at this stage. What the election has done in terms of Sinn | :29:51. | :29:54. | |
Fein, it's reverse a trend in terms of the downward share of the | :29:55. | :29:59. | |
nationalist vote. The SDLP is continuing a serial decline. I think | :30:00. | :30:03. | |
for the SDLP it's a really existential moment. What do they do | :30:04. | :30:07. | |
now? They could be less than double figures. The irony is, when you look | :30:08. | :30:12. | |
at the coverage after the BBC lead a debate on Tuesday, just about | :30:13. | :30:15. | |
everybody I saw on Twitter and social media and in the newspapers | :30:16. | :30:20. | |
said that very possibly Colin eastward was... It proves the total | :30:21. | :30:29. | |
irrelevance of social media. Also the newspapers, established | :30:30. | :30:31. | |
newspapers, where saying the same thing. He wanted debate, but the | :30:32. | :30:39. | |
debate itself will not influence a significant number of voters. People | :30:40. | :30:41. | |
cheer on their own side in those debates and that's the extent of it. | :30:42. | :30:47. | |
If you look at the polling after the leaders debates, and look at the | :30:48. | :30:50. | |
actual results, and we now have the first preference results all in. The | :30:51. | :30:56. | |
DUP is the largest party followed closely, and it's very tight, | :30:57. | :30:59. | |
followed closely by Sinn Fein. That could be significant. The fact that | :31:00. | :31:06. | |
DUP have edged ahead on first preference votes could be | :31:07. | :31:09. | |
significant when it comes to the final seat tally. Just to make the | :31:10. | :31:13. | |
point, the results, the actual voting results are the mirror | :31:14. | :31:18. | |
opposite of the polling after the Leaders' Debate. It goes to show | :31:19. | :31:21. | |
that in the end people vote for parties. That's what's been | :31:22. | :31:27. | |
happening here. The DUP, and I'm bound to say to the voters out | :31:28. | :31:32. | |
there, thank you for sticking with the DUP in what were very difficult | :31:33. | :31:36. | |
circumstances and returning us as the largest party in vote terms. | :31:37. | :31:41. | |
That's a remarkable achievement. I want to break in. It almost sounded | :31:42. | :31:49. | |
like a party election broadcast even know the election is over. Speaking | :31:50. | :31:53. | |
to Steven Agnew, the Green party leader at North Down in his count at | :31:54. | :31:57. | |
the aurora leisure Centre. I think you are still in the hunt, hopefully | :31:58. | :32:01. | |
you will get the fifth seat. But it's tight. No, it's not tight in | :32:02. | :32:07. | |
North Down, there is a huge gap between myself, over 5000 votes, and | :32:08. | :32:13. | |
the sixth candidate who is on just over 1000. It's fairly comfortable | :32:14. | :32:18. | |
but it could still be a long wait thanks to the vagaries of STV. Four | :32:19. | :32:26. | |
people already returned. Looking for the fifth seat, you are streets | :32:27. | :32:30. | |
ahead of everyone else. Are you hoping to pick up transfers from | :32:31. | :32:33. | |
people as they are eliminated. You might be returned under the quota, | :32:34. | :32:37. | |
that's possible, but whatever happens, it will take time. I will | :32:38. | :32:43. | |
achieve the quota again. I'm confident of that, I'm looking at | :32:44. | :32:46. | |
the parties that will be eliminated and votes will come my way. It's a | :32:47. | :32:52. | |
matter of when rather than if. I'm pleased that in North Down our vote | :32:53. | :32:58. | |
is up approximately 25%. It's been a very good election here. We had a | :32:59. | :33:04. | |
bit of a situation whereby the DUP stud two instead of three, almost | :33:05. | :33:08. | |
accepting they would be the party to lose the sixth seat, and the rest of | :33:09. | :33:14. | |
us would remain as we were. It was almost a case of, who would get | :33:15. | :33:18. | |
elected where rather than who would get elected. The ranking doesn't | :33:19. | :33:22. | |
really matter at the end of the day from your point of view, as long as | :33:23. | :33:26. | |
you are one of the five, that's all that matters. Thank you to Steven | :33:27. | :33:31. | |
Agnew. We will keep a close eye on it, and we will chat when there is | :33:32. | :33:34. | |
some movement and the numbers become clear. We can go back to the Titanic | :33:35. | :33:39. | |
exhibition Centre, joined by the man of the moment Alex Attwood. I'm sure | :33:40. | :33:51. | |
you are disappointed, but put into words what you feel about it. I'm | :33:52. | :33:57. | |
bitterly disappointed, but more disappointed for the party in west | :33:58. | :34:01. | |
Belfast and very disappointed for SDLP supporters in west Belfast. I | :34:02. | :34:05. | |
feel much more for the party and people in the constituency than I do | :34:06. | :34:12. | |
for myself. It's disappointing, the outcome of the election after so | :34:13. | :34:16. | |
many elections and so many close calls. Last year it was described as | :34:17. | :34:19. | |
the great escape, but it wasn't to be this time. It wasn't. As an Irish | :34:20. | :34:24. | |
Democrat I live with the will and wishes of the people, even if on the | :34:25. | :34:29. | |
far side of this election there might be outcome is that I don't | :34:30. | :34:33. | |
think are good for the future of our country, nonetheless as an Irish | :34:34. | :34:38. | |
Democrat I accept that. I have always accepted that, that's part of | :34:39. | :34:42. | |
the calibre of the SDLP, its culture and ethic. It always will be. The | :34:43. | :34:48. | |
SDLP held the MP seat, the Westminster seat 20 years ago. You | :34:49. | :34:53. | |
have previously had two MLAs in the assembly. In terms of the narrative, | :34:54. | :34:57. | |
what went wrong. Even when there was a bit of a protest last year towards | :34:58. | :35:02. | |
Gerry Carroll from Sinn Fein, should that have been yet still be that | :35:03. | :35:07. | |
capitalised on that? I think there was a surge towards a radical | :35:08. | :35:12. | |
alternative, and maybe that surge in respect to Gerry Carroll has been | :35:13. | :35:15. | |
brought back a bit in respect of this election. But yes, there was | :35:16. | :35:20. | |
ground the SDLP could have better occupied. If there are any failings | :35:21. | :35:25. | |
in that regard them first and foremost they fall to me. I have | :35:26. | :35:30. | |
never been one in politics, be it in government or policing or in the | :35:31. | :35:34. | |
constituency that has walked away from what I failed to contribute and | :35:35. | :35:39. | |
what was primarily my responsibility. That's the way I | :35:40. | :35:45. | |
feel about it. Yes, we should have occupied more ground. Gerry Adams is | :35:46. | :35:53. | |
just arriving at the Titanic. It has been a good election for Sinn Fein | :35:54. | :35:57. | |
so far. People have come out and the protest has gone their way. What is | :35:58. | :36:02. | |
next for you personally? Will you stay in the party or go elsewhere | :36:03. | :36:09. | |
for a career in a different field? I have been a political activist since | :36:10. | :36:13. | |
my teenage years. I don't think political activism will go away. | :36:14. | :36:21. | |
Really what's not important is who wins and loses today. It is, is our | :36:22. | :36:29. | |
country winning or losing today? How do we now work through a pathway to | :36:30. | :36:33. | |
get through where we want to be. We will hear from Gerry Adams. I want | :36:34. | :36:40. | |
to thank all of those who voted for Sinn Fein. I want to commend a very | :36:41. | :36:47. | |
positive campaign. This is a huge vote of thanks to Martin McGuinness | :36:48. | :36:51. | |
and his family. It's a vote and a mandate that will have to be | :36:52. | :36:55. | |
respected by the two governments, by all the other parties, for a step | :36:56. | :37:00. | |
change, an end to the old status quo and a new beginning to how we do our | :37:01. | :37:05. | |
business here. It's also a reassertion of our position on | :37:06. | :37:11. | |
Brexit, that this part of Ireland should have special designated | :37:12. | :37:14. | |
status. Whatever your issue with the constitutional staters, the only way | :37:15. | :37:20. | |
to stop a land frontier between the European state and the British state | :37:21. | :37:25. | |
on this island is to make sure there is a special designated status | :37:26. | :37:28. | |
within the European Union for this part of the island. And finally it's | :37:29. | :37:33. | |
a vote for Irish unity, for us to gather as a people, as Ian Paisley | :37:34. | :37:37. | |
famously told Martin McGuinness, we don't need in this meant to govern | :37:38. | :37:42. | |
us. Will your politicians take this in the next few weeks? Michelle has | :37:43. | :37:50. | |
already indicted all the parties and the two governments to talk. We will | :37:51. | :37:55. | |
do it this evening, tomorrow, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. We are | :37:56. | :37:58. | |
there to do the business and we have a mandate to do that. We stood with | :37:59. | :38:03. | |
a very positive agenda and we are clear on what we need. Essentially, | :38:04. | :38:07. | |
what it is about, it's about agreements that have already been | :38:08. | :38:11. | |
made being implemented. That's essentially what it's about. You | :38:12. | :38:19. | |
probably can't legislate for this, a wee bit of manners, respect, | :38:20. | :38:24. | |
treating other people the way you want to be treated yourself. There | :38:25. | :38:29. | |
has been a lot of talk about red lines, what are those now the | :38:30. | :38:33. | |
election is over? We have stayed away from putting out any red lines | :38:34. | :38:38. | |
publicly. That's the way you do your business. That's not true, one of | :38:39. | :38:42. | |
your candidate is talked about the Irish line which act as a public red | :38:43. | :38:47. | |
line. If you knew that, why did you ask me the question? You said there | :38:48. | :38:52. | |
were no red lines but a candidate standing beside you said there were. | :38:53. | :38:57. | |
I said there were not any red lines clearly in terms of the all the | :38:58. | :39:01. | |
issues that are agreements not delivered on, that are huge issues. | :39:02. | :39:05. | |
What I am making as a clear point is, we don't need a really big | :39:06. | :39:08. | |
renegotiation of what has already been agreed. Let's talk about | :39:09. | :39:16. | |
delivery of what has been agreed. That includes the language act, a | :39:17. | :39:21. | |
bill of rights, the proper working of the power-sharing core and the | :39:22. | :39:28. | |
allied nature of this agreement. Has this strengthened your hand at storm | :39:29. | :39:33. | |
at? It's a matter of us wisely using the mandate we have used. We would | :39:34. | :39:38. | |
argue very clearly that we have done that so far and we will continue to | :39:39. | :39:44. | |
do that. I suppose that is best personified by Martin McGuinness's | :39:45. | :39:47. | |
commitment as our leader at that time to the process. As I said | :39:48. | :39:51. | |
earlier to your college, I think it's also a huge vote of thanks to | :39:52. | :39:57. | |
Martin and the whole McGuinness clan. Gerry Adams just finishing his | :39:58. | :40:04. | |
comments in the media scrum at the front of the Titanic exhibition | :40:05. | :40:08. | |
Centre. We will hopefully get him to the platform and drill down into | :40:09. | :40:13. | |
some of the comments he made there to find out what his voters can | :40:14. | :40:18. | |
expect after this election. Alex Attwood is still here. You were | :40:19. | :40:22. | |
saying you have been a party political activist since your | :40:23. | :40:25. | |
teenaged years. Can you imagine a role within the party that isn't | :40:26. | :40:28. | |
unelected one? That's for another day. Given what I think of eastward | :40:29. | :40:39. | |
and the new SDLP leadership, I will do whatever I can and whatever I am | :40:40. | :40:44. | |
asked. If that is much or little, that's the approach I will adopt. | :40:45. | :40:50. | |
Because the great project of the Good Friday Agreement, the concept | :40:51. | :40:58. | |
of the accommodation of unionists and nationalists, the comments that | :40:59. | :41:00. | |
have informed the democratic struggle over 60 years and the | :41:01. | :41:04. | |
Democratic negotiation and agreement, those remain and must | :41:05. | :41:10. | |
endure. Questions must be asked over the next while over whether all are | :41:11. | :41:16. | |
going to ensure that they prevail and endure in our politics. We are | :41:17. | :41:21. | |
now in a volatile situation. Hydro you see at playing out? I could give | :41:22. | :41:25. | |
you four or five different answers do that. -- how do you see it planed | :41:26. | :41:31. | |
out. British government might want to go in One Direction. Other | :41:32. | :41:38. | |
parties might want to go in another. Are you worried about direct rule. | :41:39. | :41:45. | |
Is that the worst-case scenario? We said in the STL P, especially in the | :41:46. | :41:49. | |
latter days of the campaign, because red lines have been created with one | :41:50. | :41:52. | |
side against the other, that trying to emerge from that with a fully | :41:53. | :41:57. | |
functioning devolution that lives up to all the requirements of the Good | :41:58. | :42:01. | |
Friday Agreement and all its strands, was problematic, and | :42:02. | :42:04. | |
therefore there was a risk we were digging ourselves into a hole that | :42:05. | :42:08. | |
would lead to direct rule, the end of evolution for now, and a hard | :42:09. | :42:14. | |
unionist, hard Tory and hard government in London running the | :42:15. | :42:15. | |
place. east Does it frustrate you are no | :42:16. | :42:28. | |
longer involved with the system that was part of the Good Friday | :42:29. | :42:35. | |
Agreement? Well, hopefully, I will have made some difference to many | :42:36. | :42:38. | |
people, a large number of people in Northern Ireland. | :42:39. | :42:42. | |
So, we haven't seen the last of you? Look, I'm not going to brow phrases | :42:43. | :42:47. | |
like that from somebody else. All right, Alex. Commiserations to | :42:48. | :42:50. | |
you. Thank you very much, Tara. Instead | :42:51. | :42:55. | |
of drilling down to a constituency, let's have a look at the overall | :42:56. | :43:01. | |
picture as it is emerging. This is the state of the parties in the new | :43:02. | :43:05. | |
assembly. We should bear in mind there have been 24 of the 94 seats | :43:06. | :43:11. | |
declared. So a long way to go. Sinn Fein are topping the table with 11 | :43:12. | :43:16. | |
MLAs voted for. They have done well. In every | :43:17. | :43:21. | |
constituency the vote has gone up and good at dividing the votes | :43:22. | :43:26. | |
between the candidates. And symbolic of how bad it has been | :43:27. | :43:36. | |
for the official parties? OK, let's go on to the share of the vote. We | :43:37. | :43:41. | |
have that. This is the first preference votes for the parties. | :43:42. | :43:46. | |
Here we see that the DUP, even though under pressure, they just | :43:47. | :43:50. | |
marginally are still the largest party in terms of first preference | :43:51. | :43:57. | |
votes? Yes. And not totally unprecedented for Sinn Fein to be | :43:58. | :44:02. | |
one of the biggest parties. But this would have been, they are | :44:03. | :44:06. | |
close to being the first party in the assembly election for the first | :44:07. | :44:10. | |
time. And the two big power brokers, the | :44:11. | :44:18. | |
Sinn Fein and the DUP. Let's have a look at the movement. | :44:19. | :44:24. | |
The DUP under pressure in the campaign. In relation to the | :44:25. | :44:28. | |
Renewable Heat Incentive saga. Do you think that they will be happy | :44:29. | :44:32. | |
with the drop? I think that they will and expect it to go down | :44:33. | :44:37. | |
further. The opinion polls suggested it would be worse. It increased | :44:38. | :44:45. | |
although in South Down and in Upper Bann, up 7%. So chinks in the light. | :44:46. | :44:51. | |
But Sinn Fein are the big winners so far in the election. At one point | :44:52. | :44:56. | |
considered the mud guards to the executive but their decision to cut | :44:57. | :45:00. | |
loose and allow the people to have their say seems to have paid off? It | :45:01. | :45:06. | |
seems to have justified a strategy, if it was, of course. | :45:07. | :45:12. | |
We will be hearing where the unionists and the SDLP got it wrong. | :45:13. | :45:20. | |
But the SDLP have just dropped marginally, and the DUP put on in | :45:21. | :45:29. | |
some circumstances? Well, there was a shift from two/five to six and | :45:30. | :45:34. | |
what it would mean. But thoufr is the worth result for the SDLP. The | :45:35. | :45:40. | |
worst ever result for the party. So, clinging tonne the seats. | :45:41. | :45:46. | |
They needed to do more. And the Alliance doing well in percentage | :45:47. | :45:50. | |
terms? A good result in share increase and a good result in terms | :45:51. | :45:57. | |
of keeping seats. All eight of their seats are safe and a chance of a | :45:58. | :46:03. | |
gain in South Down. My reading of the maths of the new assembly, is | :46:04. | :46:08. | |
that under the rules you must have 8% of the new assembly to qualify | :46:09. | :46:14. | |
being in the same position? So by staying the same they should | :46:15. | :46:19. | |
qualify? Indeed, and the SDLP may not. | :46:20. | :46:21. | |
Thank you very much. There we leave it on that note. Back | :46:22. | :46:25. | |
to you, Mark. Thank you very much. Interesting to | :46:26. | :46:33. | |
see the overall picture in and it's facts, counterfacts and | :46:34. | :46:35. | |
contradictions. I want to go to Stephen Walker, | :46:36. | :46:41. | |
following the counts in North Down and Strangford. Kelly Armstrong of | :46:42. | :46:47. | |
Alliance has been returned. What is the Ulster Unionist Party | :46:48. | :46:51. | |
picture in Strangford? Have you worked it out yet? Just before you | :46:52. | :46:57. | |
came to me, I had a word with Mike Nesbitt, below me in the counting | :46:58. | :47:02. | |
hall. I asked if he would be talking to the media. He said not today. The | :47:03. | :47:08. | |
body language was not very good. He looked despondent. The camp here has | :47:09. | :47:15. | |
looked gloomiment the biggest smiles on the faces of the DUP activist | :47:16. | :47:20. | |
supporters. So a bad day for the Ulster Unionist Party in Strangford. | :47:21. | :47:24. | |
Hoping to get the fifth seat with Phillip Smith. As the numbers are | :47:25. | :47:30. | |
being crunched it looks like Peter Weir is in the driving seat for the | :47:31. | :47:35. | |
fifth seat in Strangford. Mike Nesbitt will hold on to his | :47:36. | :47:41. | |
seat, though, he will be disappointed that Phillip Smith may | :47:42. | :47:44. | |
lose out, he will be back but not clear how many he will have with | :47:45. | :47:49. | |
him? That's right. There is no confirmation that Mike Nesbitt is | :47:50. | :47:52. | |
home and dry but the expectation is that he will take the seat. He was | :47:53. | :47:58. | |
hoping to bring his running mate, Phillip Smith along with him. In the | :47:59. | :48:02. | |
last election, Smith did not poll well. But there were transfers. That | :48:03. | :48:10. | |
may not happen as much as last time Mike Nesbitt topped the poll but on | :48:11. | :48:16. | |
this occasion, it didn't happen, Simon Hamilton did. | :48:17. | :48:24. | |
In North Down, Allen Chambers polled well but in terms of Strangford, | :48:25. | :48:29. | |
they had high hopes to bring in Phillip Smith as the second | :48:30. | :48:31. | |
candidate. As we are going from six seats to | :48:32. | :48:36. | |
five seats, we made the point earlier, the quota is up from 14.3% | :48:37. | :48:42. | |
2016.7%. So a bigger ask to win a seat this time around. And the | :48:43. | :48:49. | |
complicating factors of the other issues in the election. | :48:50. | :48:58. | |
Let's have a chat with Eida Duncan. What is happening where you are? The | :48:59. | :49:10. | |
first headline we have heard about is that Declan Kurney has been | :49:11. | :49:15. | |
elected with more than 7,000 votes. But things are happening differently | :49:16. | :49:21. | |
here. We are not getting the declarations with everybody gathered | :49:22. | :49:25. | |
around. There is a clap from below and we are handed a piece of paper | :49:26. | :49:30. | |
that says somebody has been elected. Declan concerny is the first elected | :49:31. | :49:37. | |
in South Antrim. In the east we have had David hilled itch and the | :49:38. | :49:41. | |
electorate officer spoke to the candidates and agreed that they will | :49:42. | :49:44. | |
not have individual declarations after each person that has been | :49:45. | :49:49. | |
elected. They are to wait until the end and then announce all five | :49:50. | :49:52. | |
together. So we will have to wait and see and we'll get all of the | :49:53. | :49:57. | |
applause all in one go. They say it's an attempt to speed things up. | :49:58. | :50:05. | |
But we have had one person elected in South Antrim and one person | :50:06. | :50:11. | |
elected in East Antrim. In the south, Declan concerny has topped | :50:12. | :50:19. | |
the vote. David Ford is doing well. The DUP, Paul Girvan is polling | :50:20. | :50:28. | |
well. There is Pam Cameron and Trevor Clark also from the DUP it | :50:29. | :50:32. | |
looks like they are battling it out for the seats. | :50:33. | :50:37. | |
Thank you very much. We will stay in touch as the afternoon unfolds. | :50:38. | :50:42. | |
Let's go to Foyle. Let's join my colleague there with | :50:43. | :50:47. | |
Raymond McCarthy. He just held on to his seat, Kieron? That's right. | :50:48. | :50:52. | |
Stephen Walker was talking about body language. I think that the body | :50:53. | :50:56. | |
language of Sinn Fein in Foyle is one of jubilation. | :50:57. | :51:01. | |
Your party delivered on the two seats here in Foyle? We have fought | :51:02. | :51:08. | |
an energy gettic campaign. To set the target to return two MLAs back | :51:09. | :51:13. | |
to the assembly. We have seen on the doors, the mood of the people. I | :51:14. | :51:18. | |
think most people understood Martin McGuinness and how he was very much | :51:19. | :51:23. | |
a matter part of the campaign, even if he was not on the campaign trail, | :51:24. | :51:30. | |
he was a great motivating factor. Yesterday we knew early on that the | :51:31. | :51:35. | |
vote was responding. Today with the size of the vote, I think it is the | :51:36. | :51:40. | |
highest total that Sinn Fein has gotten in Foyle. So it sent a clear | :51:41. | :51:45. | |
message in terms of whether or not the right decision was made to | :51:46. | :51:49. | |
collapse the executive. A day of mixed emotions but also for | :51:50. | :51:55. | |
the republicans here? Absolutely. The Sinn Fein in the city were | :51:56. | :52:01. | |
outstanding. Martin was at each of the collections, and told people | :52:02. | :52:08. | |
that it broke his heart he could not stand in the election. I have no | :52:09. | :52:12. | |
doubt he will be watching the programme and will have a smile on | :52:13. | :52:18. | |
his face. He mows what the average was put on Derry but looking at the | :52:19. | :52:23. | |
rums, he will be saying job well done. | :52:24. | :52:28. | |
I know that health is a private matter but a lot of people are | :52:29. | :52:32. | |
wanting to know, how is Martin McGuinness? Well, he is a private | :52:33. | :52:39. | |
family, and we respect that. He is going through his treatment. We hope | :52:40. | :52:43. | |
he will be well soon and that we see him again. | :52:44. | :52:47. | |
On Monday, when the dust settles, what happens then? We have to see | :52:48. | :52:51. | |
how the results pan out today and tomorrow. The electorate will have | :52:52. | :52:56. | |
sent a clear message to us. That we did the right thing. And we are | :52:57. | :53:01. | |
going back to the negotiations, to be saying clearly, that there are | :53:02. | :53:06. | |
agreements previously made. We must treat people with dignity and | :53:07. | :53:09. | |
respect, that is the basis on the assembly and how it functions. So | :53:10. | :53:14. | |
that is how we are talking with our negotiations with any party. | :53:15. | :53:20. | |
Do you think that there could be an executive, given the level of | :53:21. | :53:24. | |
insults that that you your party has traded with the DUP and the poisoned | :53:25. | :53:27. | |
atmosphere that is there at the moment? Absolutely. We told it as we | :53:28. | :53:35. | |
see it. That is our duty. We make pledges to people when we stand in | :53:36. | :53:40. | |
elections. So therefore, if we say we are standing up for citizens' | :53:41. | :53:45. | |
rights, that is not insulting language. If we stand for the Irish | :53:46. | :53:50. | |
language, the gay community, any of those citizens that feel left out, | :53:51. | :53:56. | |
who are telling us clearly, that they are not trading insults, that | :53:57. | :54:01. | |
is telling it as it is. That is what Palestinianings is about. | :54:02. | :54:08. | |
You are confident about that? There is no disagreement. If the | :54:09. | :54:13. | |
electorate is responding to us, we should listen to the electorate. | :54:14. | :54:18. | |
Thank you very much for that, Kieron. Now to the Lagan Valley | :54:19. | :54:33. | |
Centre in Lisburn. I'm sure you have looked at the 23478s, and Sinead has | :54:34. | :54:38. | |
but it looks like Sinead is second in the leaderboard two votes behind | :54:39. | :54:44. | |
Sinn Fein's Stormont leader, Michelle O'Neill? I wonder if she | :54:45. | :54:48. | |
would have been pleased if she had been knocked off the top spot? I | :54:49. | :54:52. | |
don't know about that but I'm sure that Sinn Fein are delighted with | :54:53. | :54:56. | |
the performance in South Down. Chris has been elected as well. Topping | :54:57. | :55:05. | |
the poll, Sinead Ennis, and Sinn Fein overtaking the SDLP. Do you | :55:06. | :55:09. | |
think that was inevitable in this election? I think it was. It has | :55:10. | :55:15. | |
been on the cards for a number of elections. I'm delighted to have | :55:16. | :55:19. | |
done it in spectacular fashion this time around. | :55:20. | :55:25. | |
Does it matter who tops the poll from the party's perspective? | :55:26. | :55:29. | |
Topping the poll is not what we go into the election to achieve. We | :55:30. | :55:34. | |
want to increase the mandate. I am glad we've been able to play a part | :55:35. | :55:37. | |
in that. How much are you looking forward to | :55:38. | :55:41. | |
serving in an assembly? You come from the council. But there is a | :55:42. | :55:46. | |
doubt as to when we will have an executive and an assembly? As I | :55:47. | :55:51. | |
said, we are going to let the results sink in. Going into the next | :55:52. | :55:57. | |
few weeks with an open mind and hearts. We want to see the executive | :55:58. | :56:02. | |
up and running. Obviously I'm a councillor, it is a step up but | :56:03. | :56:06. | |
ready for the job and excited to see the assembly up and running. | :56:07. | :56:12. | |
Talking to Jim Wells earlier, he said that RHI was no the an issue in | :56:13. | :56:19. | |
South Down, was he rapping the wrong doors? What were you hearing? It was | :56:20. | :56:27. | |
a huge issue for people. People wanted to engage like never before. | :56:28. | :56:34. | |
I was commented, that this election is not about street lights but civil | :56:35. | :56:39. | |
rights. So I don't know what doors he was knocking. They were not the | :56:40. | :56:42. | |
same as ours. What will Sinn Fein do with the | :56:43. | :56:48. | |
mandate it gets? What will it deliver? We said it was about | :56:49. | :56:55. | |
fighting Brexit, returning integrity to Government. They want the | :56:56. | :56:59. | |
executive to work. So that's the priority, to deliver for people. | :57:00. | :57:03. | |
That is what we are going into the negotiations to achieve. | :57:04. | :57:07. | |
Are you intimidated by going to the assembly from the council. Many have | :57:08. | :57:13. | |
done it before but no apprehension there? Och, no. Obviously it is a | :57:14. | :57:20. | |
big step up. But Chris is a seasoned politicians, and he was with the | :57:21. | :57:23. | |
minister for infrastructure last time. So I have lots of help and | :57:24. | :57:27. | |
support. Chris and I are a team. We'll do the job together. | :57:28. | :57:35. | |
And briefly, the DUP will poll strongly, one assumes, we don't have | :57:36. | :57:41. | |
the final figures, will that make reaching an agreement more difficult | :57:42. | :57:45. | |
to make with both parties potentially coming from a position | :57:46. | :57:49. | |
of strength? It is early days. We have to see the final count. But I | :57:50. | :57:54. | |
can only speak for ourselves. We're getting into this to make sure that | :57:55. | :57:58. | |
the institutions are back up and running and delivering. I hope that | :57:59. | :58:02. | |
the DUP approach it from the same perspective as well. | :58:03. | :58:06. | |
Thank you very much for joining us. With that from the Lagan Valley, it | :58:07. | :58:13. | |
is back it you in the studio. A few more results to share with | :58:14. | :58:18. | |
you. Sinn Fein has secured his seat and | :58:19. | :58:26. | |
from Ulster, we have been joined by Michelle O'Neill, in as well. So | :58:27. | :58:32. | |
three seats there. It looks like the Ulster Unionist parties could | :58:33. | :58:35. | |
anybody difficulty there. I will keep you up-to-date with the | :58:36. | :58:39. | |
developments as they happen. Let's go back to my panel. | :58:40. | :58:43. | |
We will consider some of what we have been listening to. | :58:44. | :58:47. | |
Rick, no huge changes. It is pretty much as we were in terms of the | :58:48. | :58:53. | |
direction of travel. I wanted to ask you about what Newton was saying | :58:54. | :58:58. | |
earlier on, if we can deduce anything it may be that the decision | :58:59. | :59:04. | |
to move into opposition by the SDLP and the Ulster Unionist Party was a | :59:05. | :59:06. | |
big mistake? It was because I don't think they | :59:07. | :59:13. | |
made a good fist of it. It was a hard thing to do. And they haven't | :59:14. | :59:18. | |
had much time, to be fair, only eight months before the election was | :59:19. | :59:22. | |
called. Nevertheless, one would expect to see some coherence evident | :59:23. | :59:26. | |
as they approach the election campaign proper. It really wasn't | :59:27. | :59:31. | |
there. The spirit was willing, but the flesh was decidedly weak. Many | :59:32. | :59:40. | |
in the STL P were rather about the idea anyway. They're bigger battle | :59:41. | :59:43. | |
was with Sinn Fein and they have clearly lost that battle. I don't | :59:44. | :59:48. | |
know if the SDLP will get enough seats to go into opposition in this | :59:49. | :59:52. | |
coming Assembly. A formal opposition as it were. We talked about this | :59:53. | :00:00. | |
earlier and they said eastward did well in the debates, there was an | :00:01. | :00:04. | |
appetite for change and people came out to vote because they were | :00:05. | :00:07. | |
energised in a way they were not ten months ago. You think that might | :00:08. | :00:13. | |
have percolated through in a way that the SDLP might have done | :00:14. | :00:20. | |
better. -- Colum Eastwood. Looking back, the trajectory of vote share | :00:21. | :00:25. | |
of the both DUP and Sinn Fein, they virtually run in parallel. This time | :00:26. | :00:30. | |
they have almost converged. I think the DUP is just 0.2% in terms of | :00:31. | :00:35. | |
vote share ahead. They are converging the electorate. There is | :00:36. | :00:40. | |
a sense now that Northern Ireland, as Newton hinted at earlier, it's | :00:41. | :00:44. | |
now a 2.5 party system we have. The two big parties in our alliance, I | :00:45. | :00:52. | |
think quite frankly the one party leader who will not survive this is | :00:53. | :00:57. | |
a Mike Nesbitt. I think he will be gone and if BT is elected back to | :00:58. | :01:01. | |
the assembly I think he can be brought in. Why would he go? Has he | :01:02. | :01:10. | |
over claimed? He over claimed, overpromised, and the delivery of | :01:11. | :01:14. | |
vote transfers between the UUP and SDLP doesn't look like it has | :01:15. | :01:17. | |
materialised. To the extent it has, it doesn't matter because the SDLP | :01:18. | :01:22. | |
have taken a hammering. The UUP have not done at all well and have lost | :01:23. | :01:28. | |
key figures, looks like Sandra Irving will lose her seat as well. I | :01:29. | :01:32. | |
think Nicholas Whyte made the point earlier that this is the first | :01:33. | :01:34. | |
devolution assembly we have had where there will not be a unionist | :01:35. | :01:43. | |
majority. I want to talk about mandates again. Arlene Foster said, | :01:44. | :01:50. | |
vote for the DUP on Thursday because you need to stand up against Sinn | :01:51. | :01:56. | |
Fein's radical republican agenda. That's how she characterised it. You | :01:57. | :02:00. | |
are going to have a good mandate, so if Sinn Fein. Is the DUP's mandates | :02:01. | :02:04. | |
to work with Sinn Fein and make storm on tap in, or is the DUP's | :02:05. | :02:12. | |
mandate is not to work the mandate and not operate alongside Sinn | :02:13. | :02:14. | |
Fein's radical Republican agenda. It can be both -- it can't be both. And | :02:15. | :02:21. | |
out on the doorsteps it was absolutely clear across the | :02:22. | :02:25. | |
political spectrum, regardless of who people were voting for, they | :02:26. | :02:28. | |
were voting for the parties to come back in and make storm at work. | :02:29. | :02:31. | |
That's clear, and we are committed to doing that. -- and make Stormont | :02:32. | :02:41. | |
work. We don't elect Sinn Fein, it's the nationalist community that | :02:42. | :02:44. | |
elects Sinn Fein and we recognise that's what's happening again. Sinn | :02:45. | :02:49. | |
Fein and the DUP are neck and neck, that's what we predicted, and that | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
the outcome. In the end, Sinn Fein have a mandate, and we have a | :02:54. | :02:58. | |
mandate, and there has to be respect for both of those mandates and we | :02:59. | :03:01. | |
have to get a government formed in the next three weeks. That's what we | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
want to achieve. The answer to that question is very clear, yes, we're | :03:07. | :03:10. | |
up for doing this. Just to pick up on that specific point. Martina made | :03:11. | :03:17. | |
it very clear earlier, and Michelle O'Neill made it clear earlier, what | :03:18. | :03:22. | |
she said to me today and a couple of weeks ago, she said Sinn Fein will | :03:23. | :03:25. | |
not work in the executive with Arlene Foster. This side of the RHI | :03:26. | :03:33. | |
public enquiry reporting. Is there flexibility within that as far as | :03:34. | :03:37. | |
the DUP is concerned? Can you find a creative way to not dance to Sinn | :03:38. | :03:42. | |
Fein's tune, but still not stop storm aren't getting up and running | :03:43. | :03:50. | |
again. I hope the Sinn Fein will draw back from setting preconditions | :03:51. | :03:53. | |
and red lines. We could take a view, and could have taken the view a long | :03:54. | :03:57. | |
time ago that until we deal with the legacy of our troubled past, we are | :03:58. | :04:01. | |
not prepared to go into government with Sinn Fein or with anyone in | :04:02. | :04:04. | |
Sinn Fein who has been associated with that troubled past. We didn't | :04:05. | :04:08. | |
do that because people have voted for us to get into government and | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
make this work. I would say to Sinn Fein, that's what their mandate is | :04:14. | :04:16. | |
for. It's not about bringing Stormont down, it's about relaxing | :04:17. | :04:21. | |
the government at a time when big decisions are being made about our | :04:22. | :04:27. | |
future. Let's take a look at some pictures of Mike Nesbitt, I think | :04:28. | :04:30. | |
he's walking across the car park at the aurora leisure Centre in Bangor. | :04:31. | :04:38. | |
There's an Ulster Rugby top he has on. Apparently, according to my | :04:39. | :04:43. | |
colleagues, that's a pretty rare sighting of Mike Nesbitt today. | :04:44. | :04:48. | |
Stephen Walker told us, down at the count, he talked to Mike Nesbitt, | :04:49. | :04:51. | |
and Mike Nesbitt said he wasn't prepared to do interviews today. | :04:52. | :04:55. | |
Holding fire until tomorrow. We will see what he has to say in due | :04:56. | :04:59. | |
course, but everyone will say is not a great day for the UUP just yet. | :05:00. | :05:11. | |
Not a great day for Eamon McCann. The outgoing candidate of the people | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
before profit party. Your share has gone up a little bit. Your vote | :05:17. | :05:20. | |
tally has gone up a little bit. But the chance of you holding onto that | :05:21. | :05:29. | |
seat are a bit less than 50-50. You were searching for the phrase there, | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
went to! Chances are less than 50-50. Looking at the figures, | :05:34. | :05:39. | |
there's no point in trying to blind oneself with some imagined silver | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
lining. The fact is, the seat is going to go unless something | :05:45. | :05:47. | |
extraordinary happens in the pattern of transfers. The last seat will go | :05:48. | :05:53. | |
to the DUP. That's regrettable, obviously, from our point of view, | :05:54. | :05:56. | |
but we have to be realistic, that's the way to looks and I think that's | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
how it will be. The whole thing at this stage is to pick up transfers | :06:01. | :06:04. | |
as others are eliminated, but you are chasing a quota of about 7500, | :06:05. | :06:11. | |
nearly 2000 up on what it was last year in May. The DUP candidate, Gary | :06:12. | :06:23. | |
Middleton, he's moving candidate. The target is disappearing out of | :06:24. | :06:27. | |
sight. But I'm just repeating myself. Just looking at the figures, | :06:28. | :06:33. | |
everybody knows people before profit are realistic enough to know that | :06:34. | :06:36. | |
it's very unlikely to hold the seat here. That's the reality of the | :06:37. | :06:42. | |
situation. We have to look to the future. My voice will not be heard | :06:43. | :06:48. | |
in the Assembly in the next session, but my voice will be heard clearly | :06:49. | :06:52. | |
around Derry and the north generally because there are a lot of things to | :06:53. | :06:57. | |
speak loudly about. If you don't hold onto the seat, how will you | :06:58. | :07:01. | |
feel about that? You and I have had many conversations over the years. | :07:02. | :07:06. | |
The first entered the political race in 1969 when some of us were still | :07:07. | :07:10. | |
in nappies. You are very successful last year. People who didn't | :07:11. | :07:14. | |
necessarily share your worldview were pleased for you that you had | :07:15. | :07:17. | |
secured that seat. But you didn't really like Stormont, you weren't | :07:18. | :07:23. | |
sure it was doing what it should be doing to the best of its ability. Do | :07:24. | :07:27. | |
you have a mixed view of not being back there? Personally, I might have | :07:28. | :07:34. | |
a view about how enjoyable Stormont was or wasn't. Not very, presumably. | :07:35. | :07:44. | |
But there was a job to do. You have lost me a little... You are saying | :07:45. | :07:49. | |
we might wonder about your view of how enjoyable Stormont was, and I'm | :07:50. | :07:56. | |
saying, presumably not very. To be honest, it wasn't me, it's not my | :07:57. | :08:05. | |
style, the constrictions and the limits one has to operate in at | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
Stormont. But all that said, lots of people go to work every day, and it | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
doesn't mean I have to work into work with a lilt in their step all | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
the time. I was very pleased to do the job. What was interesting, | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
fascinating, and I wouldn't miss the experience for the world. That | :08:24. | :08:27. | |
doesn't mean I have to regard it as a laugh a line during my time at | :08:28. | :08:35. | |
Stormont, and it certainly wasn't. My main feeling, despite my own | :08:36. | :08:39. | |
personal views might be about being in Stormont, is one of great | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
disappointment we haven't held onto the seat. That overwhelms any | :08:45. | :08:47. | |
personal feelings I might have. There is a delay on the line but I | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
will ask one final question. Do you think the people before profit's | :08:52. | :08:57. | |
position on Brexit has been a problem because the ground has moved | :08:58. | :09:00. | |
from under you on that issue. Maybe the people who lent you a vote last | :09:01. | :09:04. | |
time round might have been supportive this time, but couldn't | :09:05. | :09:07. | |
bring themselves to do it because they don't like where you stand on | :09:08. | :09:12. | |
the prospect of Brexit? It would be idle for me to deny that Brexit | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
didn't do us any favours. It was certainly a negative factor as far | :09:18. | :09:20. | |
as we were concerned in the campaign. We took a stand, we didn't | :09:21. | :09:27. | |
flip-flopped on the issue of Europe. It's a position we have held for 30 | :09:28. | :09:32. | |
years, we stood by it and there are times in politics that even though | :09:33. | :09:35. | |
you know something is proving unpopular, you have to take your | :09:36. | :09:38. | |
stand and say what you really believe. I think people will agree | :09:39. | :09:43. | |
you have certainly done that over the years. Great to talk to you. | :09:44. | :09:48. | |
We'll keep an eye on that and see how the numbers shake down in the | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
final analysis. Thank you for talking to us. Eamonn McCann there, | :09:53. | :09:55. | |
the people before profit candidate who admits he is unlikely to hold | :09:56. | :10:02. | |
onto his in foil. Let's look at some of the numbers, the bigger picture. | :10:03. | :10:08. | |
Mark Sampson in our future virtual Stormont chamber. A quarter of the | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
seats being filled, let's look at the early state of play. The largest | :10:14. | :10:18. | |
party so far is Sinn Fein with 14 seats. 14 out of 27. If my maths | :10:19. | :10:24. | |
teacher is watching, she will be proud of me because I think it's | :10:25. | :10:28. | |
more than half of the seats so far settled. A good day for Sinn Fein is | :10:29. | :10:33. | |
so far and the new leader Michelle O'Neill. No Martin McGuinness, but | :10:34. | :10:39. | |
no problems so far. The DUP got 38 seats last time. It's early days, | :10:40. | :10:46. | |
have eight. No way they will get 38, but they still want 30. The third | :10:47. | :10:52. | |
biggest party at the moment, the Alliance party, good collection so | :10:53. | :10:59. | |
far for Naomi Long. She has five already so far. One Ulster Unionists | :11:00. | :11:07. | |
so far. Sneaking in there, a blue looking Alan Chambers in North Down. | :11:08. | :11:13. | |
Not good news for Mike Nesbitt. The SDLP, looking at the other side of | :11:14. | :11:20. | |
the chamber. They also have only one MLA re-elected so far. That's the | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
state of play so far in the chamber. The big picture is, the DUP have a | :11:25. | :11:29. | |
lot of work to do, not just to get past the magic 30 number to give | :11:30. | :11:33. | |
Arlene Foster a petition of concern, but would be a satisfactory result | :11:34. | :11:37. | |
for her as party leader, they also want to catch up with Sinn Fein. The | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
number of seats could be very close. As things stand at the moment, it | :11:42. | :11:49. | |
doesn't look like any party will get past 30 seats, but it's early days, | :11:50. | :11:52. | |
we are only about a quarter of the way through. Thank you to mark. | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
Feels like we should be a bit further on many quarter, but there | :11:57. | :12:00. | |
you go. Gives you a good sense of how the numbers are stacking up. As | :12:01. | :12:06. | |
Mark said, heavily caveat it with the reminder that it's extremely | :12:07. | :12:12. | |
early and we can't draw any huge conclusions. Back to the panel. | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
Martina, we touched earlier on the idea of direct rule as an option if | :12:18. | :12:23. | |
the two main parties don't manage to agree to resurrect Stormont, or how | :12:24. | :12:27. | |
it can be resurrected in the short term. Are there any circumstances in | :12:28. | :12:32. | |
which direct rule is an attractive option for Sinn Fein, the most | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
attractive option for Sinn Fein? I want to say to Rick and two other | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
commentators that I have listened to over the last few weeks, sometimes | :12:41. | :12:47. | |
when we go over the negotiations that have been made and the | :12:48. | :12:50. | |
commitments that have been made and not honoured, you seem to get a bit | :12:51. | :12:57. | |
defensive or dismissive. I'm not saying you personally, but that | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
seems to be the category. The Saint Andrews agreement had a joint | :13:02. | :13:06. | |
statement from the two governments, British and Irish, and it said, | :13:07. | :13:11. | |
never again will there be direct rule from London only. That's a | :13:12. | :13:18. | |
quote from the joint statement from the two governments. Sometimes I | :13:19. | :13:26. | |
find, Rick, that is dismissed. By me bust in yellow not you generally, -- | :13:27. | :13:39. | |
by me? Not you generally. They talked about joint authority. It | :13:40. | :13:43. | |
could be a greener form of direct rule. It could be joint authority | :13:44. | :13:47. | |
and we don't know the form of that. I'm not saying that's the direction | :13:48. | :13:51. | |
of travel, but I want to put it on the table. Let's see what Rick has | :13:52. | :13:56. | |
to say. Is that actually on the table? There is no textual warrant | :13:57. | :14:00. | |
for joint authority over Northern Ireland. What is, if you remember, | :14:01. | :14:08. | |
it was floated by both Tony Blair and Bertie Ahern, there could have | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
been devolution, what they referred to as a form of joint stewardship. I | :14:13. | :14:19. | |
remember speaking to senior officials at the time who did use | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
the phrase, a greener form of direct rule, but it was never pinned down | :14:24. | :14:28. | |
and there is no legal or textual warrant for joint authority, none. | :14:29. | :14:32. | |
That would be a breach of UK sovereignty if that was to be the | :14:33. | :14:37. | |
case, but it's not provided for in the Saint Andrews agreement, or in | :14:38. | :14:41. | |
the subsequent Saint Andrew's act. What we were left with was a | :14:42. | :14:45. | |
beguiling prospect of joint stewardship, but it was never pinned | :14:46. | :14:51. | |
down. Newton is nodding. You just have to listen to what Gerry Adams | :14:52. | :14:54. | |
is saying if you want to know what's going on. Earlier in the broadcast | :14:55. | :14:58. | |
at the election count he said he wanted to focus on outstanding | :14:59. | :15:01. | |
commitments. He said he wanted the executive restored, and has listed | :15:02. | :15:06. | |
nine of them previously. All bar one were at British and Irish government | :15:07. | :15:10. | |
level. In fact, the executive is rather irrelevant to the Sinn Fein | :15:11. | :15:14. | |
process now. They want agreements delivered by the British and Irish | :15:15. | :15:18. | |
governments. A dispute over whether its outstanding comedy bill of | :15:19. | :15:21. | |
rights for example. The text or process was met but didn't produce a | :15:22. | :15:29. | |
bill. The Irish language act was to be delivered by Britain but it was | :15:30. | :15:32. | |
then devolved by virtue of the St Andrews agreement so handed back to | :15:33. | :15:35. | |
the DUP, a negotiating mistake at best. All of these things to be | :15:36. | :15:41. | |
resolved. When promised that the executive by passing it. It's a | :15:42. | :15:42. | |
mixed message. You were taking issue with what | :15:43. | :15:56. | |
Martina Anderson was suggesting. But can you see what she was suggesting, | :15:57. | :16:01. | |
it is not in the letter but part of a wider conversation that clearly | :16:02. | :16:06. | |
Martina would like to see resurrected? And no doubt Sinn Fein | :16:07. | :16:12. | |
would like to see it resurrected but it is going nowhere, and it has been | :16:13. | :16:16. | |
said that joint authority is not on the table. The idea that is | :16:17. | :16:23. | |
catastrophe Conservative government, that is unionist, looking to fight a | :16:24. | :16:29. | |
battle, possibly in a referendum, would all of a sudden turn union is | :16:30. | :16:35. | |
bizarre. At a time when they are focussing on Brexit and the | :16:36. | :16:40. | |
negotiations with the European Union, that they would introduce | :16:41. | :16:43. | |
constitutional calamity in Northern Ireland is unthinkable. So I would | :16:44. | :16:48. | |
say to Sinn Fein, you have been given a mandate, the mandate given | :16:49. | :16:53. | |
is to get back to government. People elected you to be in government. | :16:54. | :16:57. | |
Elected the DUP to be in government. They want to see a Government | :16:58. | :17:01. | |
formed. They want to see the government taking decisions, getting | :17:02. | :17:04. | |
on with governing Northern Ireland. They want to see that government | :17:05. | :17:09. | |
setting out its plan for how we handing Brexit. If we have direct | :17:10. | :17:14. | |
rule, and the irony is, the direct rule suits the DUP more than Sinn | :17:15. | :17:17. | |
Fein, we have a government that relies on our votes on a significant | :17:18. | :17:23. | |
number of occasions, I could make an argument for direct rule but it is | :17:24. | :17:28. | |
not the mandate we sought. We want a government in Stormont. | :17:29. | :17:34. | |
But it was said that this is a vote for the united Northern Ireland. But | :17:35. | :17:38. | |
the hope is to have these arguments and keep the ball in the air. | :17:39. | :17:44. | |
We will come back to this, you both seem to like the direct rule but not | :17:45. | :17:49. | |
agree on the circumstances of that. And I want to talk with Ian Paisley, | :17:50. | :17:59. | |
at the North Antrim and Mid Ulster count in Ballymena. Good afternoon. | :18:00. | :18:05. | |
The DUP has held on to its seat. It looks like you might lose a seat is | :18:06. | :18:13. | |
that a possibility? Well, Mid Ulster has been an excellent result. 10,000 | :18:14. | :18:19. | |
votes, probably the strongest voice west of the position for us as a | :18:20. | :18:25. | |
Unionist Party and a voice for the community west of the ban. And it is | :18:26. | :18:30. | |
difficult for us to secure three seats on 40% of the votes. I think | :18:31. | :18:36. | |
we have to recognise it is probably beyond reach with about 3 or 400 | :18:37. | :18:42. | |
votes short. But the election was about resetting the clock. Sinn Fein | :18:43. | :18:48. | |
did not like that the DUP had ten seats ahead of them. A lot of things | :18:49. | :18:54. | |
were put into the mix, pressing the reboot button and seeing if Sinn | :18:55. | :18:57. | |
Fein can get close to us. That possibly and more than likely has | :18:58. | :19:00. | |
happened. Are you confident that the DUP will | :19:01. | :19:05. | |
be coming out on top? If you have not seen it, you will have heard | :19:06. | :19:12. | |
from the comments on The View, David McIlveen said a couple of things, | :19:13. | :19:18. | |
much about charisma, and predicted that Arlene Foster would not be the | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
leader of the DUP by Monday. His dad and your dad are big friends. A huge | :19:24. | :19:29. | |
fan of your father's legacy, as you are, how many people in the DUP does | :19:30. | :19:37. | |
David McIlveen speak for? Well, I must say, I personally rent people | :19:38. | :19:42. | |
popping up now, claiming the mantle of my father, claiming that they | :19:43. | :19:45. | |
speak for him and know what his mind would have been. Frankly, that is an | :19:46. | :19:52. | |
insult to him. I resent it, my mother resents it, my family resents | :19:53. | :19:55. | |
it, stop doing it. A number of people have been doing it. Stop | :19:56. | :19:59. | |
doing it. You are obviously angry about that. | :20:00. | :20:03. | |
Will you have words with David about what he said last night? Honestly, | :20:04. | :20:09. | |
for people to start name calling, saying this person is not | :20:10. | :20:14. | |
charismatic, when perhaps it is not the word you associate with the | :20:15. | :20:18. | |
person making the comments, I would have liked David to continue to be a | :20:19. | :20:23. | |
strong voice for the DUP policies on the ground here in north Antrim. He | :20:24. | :20:28. | |
came close to holding his seat. That is what he should have focussed on. | :20:29. | :20:33. | |
But what has been said has been said. Our party is always good at | :20:34. | :20:38. | |
this. Discipline internally, and if there are issues we wish to say to | :20:39. | :20:44. | |
each other, we say them behind closed doors, man to man, face to | :20:45. | :20:50. | |
face. But the clock was reset in terms of trying to get more people | :20:51. | :20:55. | |
over the line for Sinn Fein in terms of the assembly seats | :20:56. | :20:58. | |
proportionately seeking, and that is what they are trying to achieve. | :20:59. | :21:03. | |
This is a tight election. It will throw up big issues. I believe in | :21:04. | :21:10. | |
taking the issues a step at a time. No knee-jerk reactions but crossing | :21:11. | :21:16. | |
the badges as we come to them. And Gerry Adams said there was no need | :21:17. | :21:22. | |
for any big renegotiation. A couple of things needed sorting out. | :21:23. | :21:27. | |
Everyone knows in this room, in your studio, across Northern Ireland that | :21:28. | :21:30. | |
the ordinary man and woman in Northern Ireland wants an assembly | :21:31. | :21:34. | |
up and running and working for them. They want my party and the other | :21:35. | :21:39. | |
parties playing that role. We are up for that. We are calling for the | :21:40. | :21:45. | |
other parties to do that, and stop wrecking the devolution and the | :21:46. | :21:50. | |
hopes and the aspirations of the entire party. | :21:51. | :21:54. | |
Thank you for that. He did not know what was coming next | :21:55. | :22:00. | |
but he has set it up perfectly, that is Tara the Titanic Exhibition | :22:01. | :22:03. | |
Centre, I understand she has been joined by the Sinn Fein President, | :22:04. | :22:06. | |
Gerry Adams. Tara? You are at a disadvantage as | :22:07. | :22:14. | |
you didn't know what was said there. But he said he was fed up at Sinn | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
Fein, directing the remarks playing about with the assembly, with | :22:20. | :22:23. | |
devolution, that people want an assembly and want it up and running | :22:24. | :22:28. | |
soon. If that is the case, I take him at his word. We have invited the | :22:29. | :22:35. | |
DUP to talks. And all of the other parties of course and the two | :22:36. | :22:38. | |
governments. But not with Arlene Foster? No. Of | :22:39. | :22:42. | |
course we will deal with Arlene Foster. She is the leader of the | :22:43. | :22:45. | |
DUP. But you are not going to an | :22:46. | :22:51. | |
executive with force Foster? We need an agreement on the terms, firstly, | :22:52. | :22:55. | |
for the executive to run. Let's recap that. That is what the vote is | :22:56. | :23:01. | |
about. It's about the political institutions being run based on the | :23:02. | :23:04. | |
agreements that they were founded on. It is not a matter of having a | :23:05. | :23:08. | |
big negotiation about issues which have been agreed. It is a matter | :23:09. | :23:13. | |
about agreeing how they could implement it in terms of Arlene, | :23:14. | :23:18. | |
look, she needs the party, these accusations have been made against | :23:19. | :23:22. | |
her. We have not pronounced nor judged on that. She says she is | :23:23. | :23:27. | |
innocent. I hope that she is. She needs to get it cleared up. That's | :23:28. | :23:31. | |
what we are saying. Get it cleared up. | :23:32. | :23:34. | |
Do you not realise from a DUP point of view you are putting her in an | :23:35. | :23:40. | |
impossible position. If she says OK, put somebody else in as the joint | :23:41. | :23:44. | |
First Minister or First Minister or whatever it turns tout be that is at | :23:45. | :23:50. | |
Sinn Fein's behest? You asked me the question. We have not been making a | :23:51. | :23:55. | |
headline of this. Martin McGuinness went and privately spoke to Arlene | :23:56. | :24:00. | |
Foster and said to her, allegations have been made by Jonathan Bell that | :24:01. | :24:04. | |
puts a different complex on what we are doing here. We need an inquiry, | :24:05. | :24:12. | |
to stand aside without prejudice temporarily. She said no. That | :24:13. | :24:16. | |
became the issue of contention between us. Let's take our foot off | :24:17. | :24:21. | |
that peddle for the moment. That can't be sorted out. She's the | :24:22. | :24:25. | |
leader of the DUP, I'm the leader of Sinn Fein. I didn't nominate myself | :24:26. | :24:32. | |
to be the deputy, or the First Minister First Minister. I nominated | :24:33. | :24:37. | |
Martin McGuinness and incidentally, this vote for Sinn Fein is a huge | :24:38. | :24:43. | |
vote of thanks to Martin McGuinness and to the McGuinness family. This | :24:44. | :24:48. | |
time around, if we have the opportunity I will nominate Michelle | :24:49. | :24:54. | |
O'Neill for the position of deputy or First Minister First Minister. As | :24:55. | :24:58. | |
Arlene says she is innocent of the charges so let's go it cleared up | :24:59. | :25:02. | |
and move forward. So when it comes to the gamble to | :25:03. | :25:06. | |
bring the assembly down, has it paid off? It is not about that, with | :25:07. | :25:14. | |
respect. If you read Martin McGuinness's letter, he was a | :25:15. | :25:20. | |
reluctant reseenee. Making it clear that the position was untenable. If | :25:21. | :25:25. | |
we had been hammered in the elections, Martin McGuinness's | :25:26. | :25:27. | |
action would still have been the right reaction. As it is, people | :25:28. | :25:34. | |
responded. I want to commend Michelle O'Neill for the positive | :25:35. | :25:41. | |
campaign she led. I wanted to thank the members, the families, the | :25:42. | :25:44. | |
people that travelled from the south to work with us in the north and all | :25:45. | :25:49. | |
of those that voted. On the collapse of the Assembly, did | :25:50. | :25:54. | |
you force his hand? Were you part of that? The belligerent element that | :25:55. | :26:04. | |
Peter Robinson referred to? I have worked with Peter. He knows I am the | :26:05. | :26:11. | |
least most belligerent person in Sinn Fein. Peter should know, better | :26:12. | :26:15. | |
than most felt, that the position was untenable. And by the way, why | :26:16. | :26:20. | |
did he do that? So that the people should have their say and the people | :26:21. | :26:25. | |
have had their say. And in terms of the increase and the turnout, that | :26:26. | :26:30. | |
is vindication of. Did the DUP make the selection easy, | :26:31. | :26:36. | |
with some of the things that were said, the crocodiles, the social | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
media hype. Did they help you gain the results you had? I think that | :26:41. | :26:45. | |
they made it more difficult for themselves to resolve those issues | :26:46. | :26:50. | |
in terms of agreements that were already made. I mean an Irish | :26:51. | :26:56. | |
Language Act is in place now for Gaelic speakers in Scotland. They | :26:57. | :27:02. | |
have their Scots Gaelic Act, the same with Welsh speakers in Wales. | :27:03. | :27:09. | |
So why can't it have the same status as other parts of the United | :27:10. | :27:13. | |
Kingdom? I think this is an important point, some members of my | :27:14. | :27:20. | |
family are Irish speakers from birth, some kids in my street have | :27:21. | :27:25. | |
never spoken English to me. I can tell you that the DUP have done more | :27:26. | :27:32. | |
to radicalise and to politicise those very intelligent, wonderful | :27:33. | :27:37. | |
young people with a great deal of potential and have done more to | :27:38. | :27:41. | |
radicalise and politicise those young people than I could ever have | :27:42. | :27:45. | |
done as all that they wanted was to be treated with respect. | :27:46. | :27:49. | |
When it comes to going forward, can you guarantee the people that voted | :27:50. | :27:54. | |
for you and came out in the numbers yesterday, that there will be no | :27:55. | :27:58. | |
return to direct rule? We can't guarantee that but what we can | :27:59. | :28:02. | |
guarantee is that Sinn Fein wants to see an end of any sort of English | :28:03. | :28:09. | |
interference and I refer to the late Ian Paisley and the statement he | :28:10. | :28:14. | |
made to Martin McGuinness, he said Martin, we don't need English men to | :28:15. | :28:20. | |
govern us and we don't. That is what may be around the corner? Not if the | :28:21. | :28:26. | |
parties take the mandates that they have been given, or has been art I | :28:27. | :28:30. | |
can lated that they want back into the institution. And when dealing | :28:31. | :28:35. | |
with jobs, so on, that there is a basis of doing that, it is scald | :28:36. | :28:40. | |
equality, it is called honouring agreements made and doing what many | :28:41. | :28:45. | |
of us were taught when we were kids, treating people the way that we want | :28:46. | :28:48. | |
to be treated ourselves. Thank you very much. We refreshed | :28:49. | :28:55. | |
the panel, Sir Jeffrey Donald left us to be replaced by Sammy Wilson, | :28:56. | :29:01. | |
the DUP for East Antrim. How are you? Fine, thank you. | :29:02. | :29:09. | |
It's good of you to spare as some of your time on a busy day. The mood | :29:10. | :29:15. | |
where I have been as being very good as far as our boat was concerned, | :29:16. | :29:22. | |
despite all the efforts from the BBC over the last four months, our vote | :29:23. | :29:26. | |
has held up very well. What efforts are those? I think anybody who has | :29:27. | :29:35. | |
watched and listened to the BBC and the four months of attacks on Arlene | :29:36. | :29:41. | |
Foster, the four months on attacks on the DUP, rolling out every | :29:42. | :29:45. | |
commentator you could, packing audiences with people who were | :29:46. | :29:50. | |
opposed to Arlene Foster, you have used every programme, good morning | :29:51. | :29:56. | |
Ulster, evening extra, the view, Spotlight, the Nolan show, Talkback, | :29:57. | :30:02. | |
for four months it has been incessant bombardment against the | :30:03. | :30:05. | |
party. Despite that, we held our vote. I thought he told me you | :30:06. | :30:10. | |
haven't watched TV and don't listen to the radio. I do not, but I have | :30:11. | :30:18. | |
got very good informants who tell me all the time. BBC's Northern Ireland | :30:19. | :30:26. | |
briefing of Radio 4, I assume that's where Northern Ireland got their | :30:27. | :30:31. | |
briefing from, even they had the skewed view that Arlene Foster had | :30:32. | :30:35. | |
had to resign because of a financial scandal caused by the RHI scandal. I | :30:36. | :30:42. | |
wonder where that came from. I suspect it came from a briefing they | :30:43. | :30:46. | |
got from BBC Northern Ireland. But that spider by. I've no idea where | :30:47. | :30:51. | |
came from. You must be feeling better now you've got that off your | :30:52. | :30:55. | |
chest. I've been waiting all day to say that! The rotten old BBC never | :30:56. | :31:03. | |
let you have your say! You looked the better for it. You look like a | :31:04. | :31:07. | |
great pressure has lifted off your shoulders. I'm glad I got it off my | :31:08. | :31:13. | |
chest. Are you ready to answer my questions, give me straight answers | :31:14. | :31:17. | |
to my questions. I always give you straight answers. That's very | :31:18. | :31:23. | |
decent. Out of curiosity, you probably think that I dream to this | :31:24. | :31:29. | |
up in advance, but do you recognise the broad media coverage, skewed in | :31:30. | :31:36. | |
one particular direction, Martina? I think what Sammy has done here today | :31:37. | :31:39. | |
epitomises what Arlene Foster and the DUP have been doing for weeks, | :31:40. | :31:45. | |
they are in denial. Not listening to the mood of the wider constituency, | :31:46. | :31:49. | |
about the arguments in the DUP, and they will blame it on everybody, the | :31:50. | :31:55. | |
world and its mother is to blame here. It's... Sammy, there was a | :31:56. | :32:03. | |
problem with relation to a scheme that the First Minister designed and | :32:04. | :32:08. | |
stripped out 17 words from a renewable heating scheme that were | :32:09. | :32:12. | |
about cost controls. Which is now the subject of a public enquiry | :32:13. | :32:16. | |
Reece Topley and by meeting with the Commissioner next month, the | :32:17. | :32:22. | |
competition commissioner with regards to it. -- and -- which is | :32:23. | :32:30. | |
now the subject of a public enquiry. And I am meeting with the | :32:31. | :32:37. | |
competition Commissioner next month. Everybody else created the | :32:38. | :32:40. | |
environment that got us to where we are today. I say to Sammy, that | :32:41. | :32:44. | |
yourself, your leader, and a number of others have been in denial. | :32:45. | :32:50. | |
Martina... You are the party that cost this country ?174 million | :32:51. | :32:58. | |
because you would not accept the changes in welfare reform. I am | :32:59. | :33:06. | |
proud of what we did, we are protecting the most vulnerable in | :33:07. | :33:11. | |
society. As a result you deny people the opportunity to have the changes | :33:12. | :33:15. | |
that were agreed by the executive and the government in the United | :33:16. | :33:23. | |
Kingdom. And austerity driven government. You promised you would | :33:24. | :33:27. | |
stand up for those people by handing it back to Westminster. Don't talk | :33:28. | :33:34. | |
about arrogance or wasting money. Here is the point. Even know Sammy | :33:35. | :33:38. | |
was kicking my shins, I will be fair to Sammy because I have broad enough | :33:39. | :33:42. | |
shoulders, and I think the BBC has the broad shoulders to take the | :33:43. | :33:45. | |
criticism he wants to throw in my direction or in our direction. That | :33:46. | :33:51. | |
is fine. To be fair to Sammy Wilson, his party has actually performed | :33:52. | :33:55. | |
pretty well so far. We are far enough away from knowing the final | :33:56. | :33:59. | |
tally, but it's a pretty creditable performance so far and it looks like | :34:00. | :34:03. | |
they might go back with 30 seats, they could reach the magic number. | :34:04. | :34:07. | |
If they dipped below, it will only be by a little bit. You talk about | :34:08. | :34:13. | |
this about being some sort of referendum or plebiscite on | :34:14. | :34:17. | |
integrity and equality and so far. The DUP have done well so far. In | :34:18. | :34:29. | |
the republican and nationalist community it was. Arlene Foster's | :34:30. | :34:32. | |
so-called comments about so-called crocodiles and so on. It wasn't just | :34:33. | :34:39. | |
republicans voting in this election. I'm talking about a constituency I | :34:40. | :34:42. | |
am in contact with an engaging with the most. We take a read from the | :34:43. | :34:49. | |
people we talk to. We have to translate that and feed it back. Our | :34:50. | :34:53. | |
constituents are saying to us that this is not a Sinn Fein just demand. | :34:54. | :35:00. | |
Constituents are saying we cannot go back into government unless we have | :35:01. | :35:06. | |
a situation where the leader of the DUP is not tarnished in the way that | :35:07. | :35:11. | |
she currently is. I will put it to Sammy because Gerry Adams just made | :35:12. | :35:14. | |
that point as well. Two bits of news. Simon Hamilton has just been | :35:15. | :35:20. | |
returned in his constituency of Strangford. He topped the poll in | :35:21. | :35:26. | |
there. Danny Kennedy, the Ulster Unionists, is out in Newry and | :35:27. | :35:31. | |
Armagh. Looking at pictures of Simon Hamilton, I think that's Jim Sharman | :35:32. | :35:34. | |
and Peter Weir, Michelle McIlveen as well. Not the end of his political | :35:35. | :35:41. | |
career necessarily, but it is for today, hitting the buffers. He was | :35:42. | :35:46. | |
in a fight, and a lot of people thought he would probably prevail at | :35:47. | :35:49. | |
the end of the day. I certainly thought he would. I didn't think he | :35:50. | :35:54. | |
would be eliminated. For him and the DUP, this is a real blow. All three | :35:55. | :35:59. | |
Sinn Fein candidates got in in Newry and Armagh. Reign this is, I | :36:00. | :36:10. | |
suspect, another nail in his Coffin. This might be over egging the | :36:11. | :36:15. | |
pudding, but Mike Nesbitt said in the week he would transfer to the | :36:16. | :36:19. | |
SDLP. Almost immediately Danny Kennedy said he would certainly not | :36:20. | :36:23. | |
follow his lead in my constituency. We had that slightly awkward moment | :36:24. | :36:28. | |
where Mike Nesbitt said that's what he would be doing, and Danny Kennedy | :36:29. | :36:33. | |
was over his shoulder smiling. It was awkward. It was very awkward. | :36:34. | :36:40. | |
This is where the DUP and Sinn Fein, it's where I think they are | :36:41. | :36:43. | |
incredibly strong, they gave every appearance, at least on the surface, | :36:44. | :36:49. | |
of being united and strong parties, the DUP in particular. Occasionally | :36:50. | :36:52. | |
you looked a bit more like the Osmonds and the Bogrias. But the UUP | :36:53. | :37:03. | |
have never looked like that. There are enormous tensions in that party. | :37:04. | :37:11. | |
There is something about Mike Nesbitt's leadership that has come | :37:12. | :37:14. | |
to the fore. People have spoken to me about it. I think Danny Kennedy | :37:15. | :37:20. | |
going is symptomatic of a party that is divided. Some people said in | :37:21. | :37:24. | |
advance, if you talked to them quietly, if Mike was to go after a | :37:25. | :37:29. | |
bad election, who would be the characters to take over, and Danny | :37:30. | :37:33. | |
Kennedy's name was in the mix. Not any more it's not. There was the | :37:34. | :37:39. | |
view he would take on it had he had thrown his hat in the ring. Had he | :37:40. | :37:46. | |
had known. I suspect if Mike Nesbitt does go, although I suspect he will | :37:47. | :37:50. | |
be re-elected in Strangford, but my money would be on Doug Beattie. The | :37:51. | :37:56. | |
Ulster Unionist Party is quite unusual in that it's leadership | :37:57. | :38:00. | |
election selector at who vote for the leader is the members, like | :38:01. | :38:06. | |
Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party. If you have somebody like Doug Beattie who | :38:07. | :38:09. | |
is personally very popular with members, then he has a very good | :38:10. | :38:12. | |
chance to break through the Parliamentary politics. Stephen | :38:13. | :38:17. | |
Aitken is another. You tend to analyse leadership party elections | :38:18. | :38:25. | |
in terms of their party politics, but somebody like Doug Beattie could | :38:26. | :38:29. | |
rise to the ranks overnight in a party like the UUP. Perhaps because | :38:30. | :38:33. | |
he was a very well-known figure after his time as a high-profile | :38:34. | :38:37. | |
television journalist. There was a familiarity death and people felt if | :38:38. | :38:42. | |
he was successful... It was actually because he had an argument about | :38:43. | :38:45. | |
going into opposition with the other candidate Jim McAllister and he | :38:46. | :38:53. | |
argued against it. Another irony. A supreme irony. We will hear from Jim | :38:54. | :38:57. | |
Mackay star later. You must have got to know Danny Kennedy pretty well | :38:58. | :39:05. | |
down the years. I'm sorry to be, because Danny was a good, strong | :39:06. | :39:10. | |
unionist representative, he held unionist views that I would be | :39:11. | :39:13. | |
comfortable with. I think you'll be a great loss to the community there. | :39:14. | :39:21. | |
I will also say that it will increase the sense of isolation from | :39:22. | :39:27. | |
any unionists along the border, that a unionist has been replaced by a | :39:28. | :39:31. | |
Sinn Fein representative. That's what people voted for, that's | :39:32. | :39:35. | |
democracy. Yes, it's what people voted for, but I believe the | :39:36. | :39:39. | |
unionist community at the border will feel more isolated now as a | :39:40. | :39:43. | |
result of the emergence of more Sinn Fein. Sinn Fein has adopted this | :39:44. | :39:48. | |
harder line and, despite all their talk about respect and everything | :39:49. | :39:51. | |
else, they have shown little or no respect to the people who have been | :39:52. | :39:55. | |
the victims of IRA terrorism along the border. One of the first things | :39:56. | :40:00. | |
Michelle O'Neill did was honour people who went out to murder | :40:01. | :40:03. | |
policemen. I thing it will increase a sense of isolation and anger | :40:04. | :40:08. | |
amongst the unionist population. I'm sorry to see Danny go on a personal | :40:09. | :40:11. | |
level because I got on very well with him. During my time in the | :40:12. | :40:18. | |
Assembly we were able to work together on a number of things. A | :40:19. | :40:22. | |
little update, we referenced earlier, Sinead Bradley in the | :40:23. | :40:26. | |
neighbouring consistency of Southdown, the SDLP candidate, has | :40:27. | :40:30. | |
been returned. Good news for her, but a bittersweet day because she | :40:31. | :40:35. | |
buried her father today, PJ Bradley, who formerly served as an MLA for | :40:36. | :40:38. | |
that constituency for the same party, and a lot of people had a | :40:39. | :40:43. | |
great fondness for him. Again, PJ Bradley was in the Assembly from | :40:44. | :40:46. | |
when I was there at the very start. He was a real gentleman. A lot of | :40:47. | :40:52. | |
people have said that, and a lot of people have said Sinead Bradley was | :40:53. | :40:56. | |
an impressive MLA for the eight months she was in the chamber. And | :40:57. | :41:01. | |
her media performances. I want a very short answer to tee up a | :41:02. | :41:05. | |
discussion we will have later, but how do you respond to Martina | :41:06. | :41:10. | |
Anderson and how do you respond to Gerry Adams speaking to Tara there | :41:11. | :41:14. | |
whenever he said that the DUP are not going to be back in government | :41:15. | :41:19. | |
with us if Arlene Foster is their nominee for first or Deputy First | :41:20. | :41:23. | |
Minister. Is there a way of squaring circle? A very simple answer to him, | :41:24. | :41:27. | |
we will choose who will be our leader, we will choose who we | :41:28. | :41:31. | |
nominate as First Minister and Arlene Foster, if there is this | :41:32. | :41:35. | |
cloud which he says hangs over her head, it's only there because Sinn | :41:36. | :41:41. | |
Fein delayed and deliberately delayed any investigation in the RHI | :41:42. | :41:45. | |
scheme so that it would not be resolved before this election, and, | :41:46. | :41:49. | |
indeed, they were the people who insisted that could be an inter-rim | :41:50. | :41:52. | |
report. They were the people who insisted it had to be a six-month | :41:53. | :41:57. | |
investigation by the judge. If there is any delay in finding out what | :41:58. | :42:01. | |
role Arlene Foster and other ministers, because don't forget Sinn | :42:02. | :42:05. | |
Fein ministers were involved. Michelle O'Neill was involved. She | :42:06. | :42:11. | |
is as culpable as Arlene Foster. There are questions about the role | :42:12. | :42:15. | |
of other Sinn Fein members who asked for this. It will all be | :42:16. | :42:19. | |
investigated during the public enquiry. All I am saying is we will | :42:20. | :42:24. | |
not let Sinn Fein tell us who our leader will be. Just to clarify, | :42:25. | :42:28. | |
even if that means storm at doesn't get back up and running again? -- | :42:29. | :42:36. | |
Stormont doesn't get up and running again. Michelle O'Neill and her | :42:37. | :42:43. | |
department ran exercises at the time when it was known RHI was being | :42:44. | :42:48. | |
overspent. We haven't insisted she stand aside. We didn't at insist | :42:49. | :42:54. | |
Michelle O'Neill stand aside because she commended IRA murderers who were | :42:55. | :42:58. | |
trying to kill policeman. We will not dictate their lead and they | :42:59. | :42:59. | |
shouldn't dictate hours. Now to let you know about, we have a | :43:00. | :43:15. | |
re-count from Fermanagh South. Nobody elected, so, Stuart Dixon, | :43:16. | :43:21. | |
the Alliance candidate is in East Antrim and South Antrim. | :43:22. | :43:30. | |
And David Ford looking comfortable with 5278, first preferences. Declan | :43:31. | :43:36. | |
concerny has been returned. He is the only person that is in. David | :43:37. | :43:42. | |
Ford looking likely to get in there, maybe not immediately but a bit of | :43:43. | :43:46. | |
redistribution going on there. When we hear more we will bring you up to | :43:47. | :43:52. | |
speed. But let's go and crunch a few more numbers with mark. | :43:53. | :43:59. | |
The purists tell you that single transferrable voting elections are | :44:00. | :44:03. | |
not about counting up big piles of numbers but the clever party | :44:04. | :44:07. | |
balances the votes between a number of candidates. Clever strategies. | :44:08. | :44:12. | |
Not a beauty contest but in defiance of that, let's have a beauty contest | :44:13. | :44:16. | |
and look at who has been piling up the votes! Let's have a look at the | :44:17. | :44:22. | |
top ten vote-getters in the election and the five in contention for the | :44:23. | :44:26. | |
wooden spoon. So, no question about it, Sinn Fein | :44:27. | :44:30. | |
has done well in the election. And the Sinn Fein leader in Stormont, | :44:31. | :44:34. | |
Michelle O'Neill topping the pile there. | :44:35. | :44:39. | |
It is well to say you must balance the votes to maximise your chance of | :44:40. | :44:44. | |
winning seats but if the vote share is up overall you don't have to | :44:45. | :44:48. | |
worry so much. So here are the beneficiaries. Last night figures of | :44:49. | :44:56. | |
80% vote in Michelle O'Neill's home tricked area, or where the ballot | :44:57. | :45:05. | |
boxes were. So more than 10,000. And a remarkable vote for Sinead Ennis. | :45:06. | :45:15. | |
In South Down. That was remarkable. And in Foyle in fifth place there, | :45:16. | :45:20. | |
the new candidate. The DUP we knew that they would take | :45:21. | :45:25. | |
hits but to the west, the candidates are putting in credible | :45:26. | :45:30. | |
performances. William Irwin, and Keith but Canaan. | :45:31. | :45:35. | |
Those are the seats where the Mike Nesbitt transfer will have had the | :45:36. | :45:39. | |
worst reception. That's the top five. Let's have a | :45:40. | :45:44. | |
look at the next set of vote-getters. One politicians that | :45:45. | :45:52. | |
keeps in, Justin McNulty. And he is from Newry Armagh. | :45:53. | :46:07. | |
He is the only non-non-candidate. And let's turn, by definition rather | :46:08. | :46:14. | |
less well known characters. We don't have photographs of all of them. | :46:15. | :46:19. | |
This is the lowest five vote-getters in Northern Ireland. | :46:20. | :46:25. | |
So we'll move from this end where we have Adam Millar standing in North | :46:26. | :46:30. | |
Belfast. He came from a family in the Shankill. He said he had family | :46:31. | :46:37. | |
involvement, his father with the paramilitaries, helping those who | :46:38. | :46:41. | |
had similar experiences to move away from them. | :46:42. | :46:45. | |
Involved in social media but it does not get you votes. | :46:46. | :46:51. | |
Arthur McGuinness. He has stood in Donegal. He lives across the border. | :46:52. | :47:03. | |
Susan White. Well known. A strong Christian with fundamentalist views. | :47:04. | :47:07. | |
Yes, and rather fewer people than last time. Those perhaps moving on. | :47:08. | :47:23. | |
And there another candidate, and the ultimate wooden spoon going to Roger | :47:24. | :47:33. | |
Lomas. And this is actually a worse | :47:34. | :47:36. | |
performance than the Conservatives had in West Belfast in the | :47:37. | :47:40. | |
Westminster election two years ago, that itself was the worst | :47:41. | :47:45. | |
performance on record by a Conservative candidate in any main | :47:46. | :47:48. | |
stream election. So, Roger Lomas, not a happy man | :47:49. | :47:51. | |
tonight. Thank you very much. Not a great day | :47:52. | :47:57. | |
at the office for Roger Lomas. The Conservative candidate. Interesting | :47:58. | :48:04. | |
things happening in Fermanagh South Tyrone. What is happening | :48:05. | :48:10. | |
Julian? Well, an announcement was made that a re-count is under way in | :48:11. | :48:16. | |
Fermanagh South Tyrone. I suppose it would not be an election here | :48:17. | :48:20. | |
without a re-count. We are used to this. But no reason has been given. | :48:21. | :48:26. | |
This is the sec stage of transfers. Nobody deemed elected on the first | :48:27. | :48:30. | |
preference votes. So a number of candidates eliminated. The Alliance | :48:31. | :48:38. | |
candidate, the Conservatives, TUV, Green and the Labour Alliance. So | :48:39. | :48:45. | |
3480 votes being redistributed. Arlene Foster topped the poll but | :48:46. | :48:49. | |
didn't get enough to get over the quota. She was 232 votes short. Her | :48:50. | :48:56. | |
personal vote dropped slightly on the election last year. If she had | :48:57. | :49:01. | |
maintained the vote she received last year it would have been enough | :49:02. | :49:10. | |
to get across the increased quota. Interestingly, Lord Morrows vote | :49:11. | :49:14. | |
went up and the DUP vote increased slightly. So it seems there was some | :49:15. | :49:20. | |
vote management to play here. Not just Arlene Foster's vote dropping | :49:21. | :49:24. | |
from the last election. The other thing to keep an eye on is | :49:25. | :49:33. | |
Sinn Fein. The former MLA, Shaun Lynch is sitting third out of the | :49:34. | :49:39. | |
three candidates. He is some 1700 votes behind and the Ulster Unionist | :49:40. | :49:43. | |
is hoping that they can pick up some of the transfers and they may secure | :49:44. | :49:48. | |
the final seat. At the moment they are breaking open the votes again | :49:49. | :49:51. | |
and going through the transfers. If I find out more as to why they are | :49:52. | :49:56. | |
re-counting, I will let you know. Julian, thank you very much. | :49:57. | :50:01. | |
Julian Fowler at the firm firm re-count. | :50:02. | :50:07. | |
We saw shots of the DUP leader, Arlene Foster reading the Daily | :50:08. | :50:14. | |
Telegraph alongside Lord Morrow. They seem to have done well. Any | :50:15. | :50:19. | |
thoughts as to what may be going on there? A total re-count or just at | :50:20. | :50:25. | |
this stage? Probably of the stage. They can do that rather than a full | :50:26. | :50:30. | |
re-count. You would re-count a full at the end of stage one. | :50:31. | :50:37. | |
Who gets the re-counted distributors? Yes. | :50:38. | :50:41. | |
It makes a difference? Yes. You can't make or break who makes it | :50:42. | :50:46. | |
through. I didn't introduce you, welcome, | :50:47. | :50:52. | |
Stephen Farry, of the Alliance. Yes. | :50:53. | :50:58. | |
We spoke to you earlier, basking in the glory of your re-election to | :50:59. | :51:04. | |
what, precisely? Indeed. That is the issue that we are tempered by. | :51:05. | :51:07. | |
Exactly what we are getting ourselves into. Obviously the party | :51:08. | :51:11. | |
is having a good day. Our best result in terms of the number of | :51:12. | :51:17. | |
votes achieved for 30 years and also in terms of the share vote as well. | :51:18. | :51:23. | |
But the rest of the middle ground is falling away. Claire Sugden has had | :51:24. | :51:27. | |
a good day. We have spoken to her. She's not secured the seat. But is | :51:28. | :51:33. | |
on course to holding on to the seat. That is great for an Independent. | :51:34. | :51:38. | |
Not easy to do. You have done well in the Alliance Party. It looks like | :51:39. | :51:43. | |
you can hold on to the eight seats but not good for the Ulster Unionist | :51:44. | :51:52. | |
Party? Looking at my constituency, 40% of the votes were cast away from | :51:53. | :51:57. | |
the two main unionist parties. In what was a traditional unionist | :51:58. | :52:02. | |
bastion. So there is a difference in how people are viewing politics. The | :52:03. | :52:05. | |
party is growing across Northern Ireland. We are up in almost every, | :52:06. | :52:11. | |
or all 18 of the constituencies and well up in some places. | :52:12. | :52:16. | |
Somebody said to me last night the first turn out figures were coming | :52:17. | :52:21. | |
in, we were getting ready to go on air, with a view, it was said, if | :52:22. | :52:28. | |
the figures go up, this group here are back out, it could be a good day | :52:29. | :52:33. | |
for the Alliance Party and for the Ulster Unionist Party but clearly it | :52:34. | :52:38. | |
was not the case, it was not Garden Centre Unionists? Clearly no. There | :52:39. | :52:44. | |
is a rise in the Sinn Fein that vote has been mobilised more than in the | :52:45. | :52:51. | |
past. There was an association that the nonvoters are more centrally | :52:52. | :52:56. | |
minded on the hole. That may be true on the margins. So it is very much a | :52:57. | :53:04. | |
mixed factor. What I believe is significant is an evolution in terms | :53:05. | :53:09. | |
of sections of the electorate away from the traditional unionist and | :53:10. | :53:15. | |
nationalist politics. In the election campaigns we have spoken | :53:16. | :53:22. | |
about the battle for the unionism and for the nationalism, and now | :53:23. | :53:28. | |
that is changing. The aligns is now at the heart. | :53:29. | :53:34. | |
But the DUP vote was strong last May. It is only down 1.1 verse. The | :53:35. | :53:40. | |
Sinn Fein vote was not out in the number it is is now. It is up 3.9%. | :53:41. | :53:46. | |
It may have held solid in the middle. But it is doing well at | :53:47. | :53:51. | |
opposite ends of the spectrum as far as the DUP and Sinn Fein are | :53:52. | :53:57. | |
concerned? Indeed. And we have a clearly dominant unionist and | :53:58. | :54:06. | |
nationalist party. The aft and the -- the unionist and the nationalist | :54:07. | :54:11. | |
parties are strong but the bottom line is that the DUP cannot govern | :54:12. | :54:16. | |
Northern Ireland alone, the Sinn Fein cannot govern Northern Ireland | :54:17. | :54:21. | |
alone. We are seeing that the DUP cannot govern Northern Ireland | :54:22. | :54:27. | |
alone. We must work together on the mandates for the common good. If we | :54:28. | :54:31. | |
are just looking after our own interests, it is the road to | :54:32. | :54:34. | |
nowhere. Does that mean if you are in a | :54:35. | :54:38. | |
position to take the seat in the executive, if the Assembly is up and | :54:39. | :54:42. | |
running that the Alliance will do that? We don't run to be in | :54:43. | :54:47. | |
opposition. We want the maximum influence. We can have it on the | :54:48. | :54:52. | |
floor of the Assembly and the executive but the decision is taken | :54:53. | :54:58. | |
based on policy and how the executive works and our bill is to | :54:59. | :55:02. | |
deliver on our mandate and to see the seed of the common good in | :55:03. | :55:05. | |
Northern Ireland reflected in the way that the party is working. | :55:06. | :55:10. | |
So we are up for discussion. I want to look in detail about the | :55:11. | :55:15. | |
unfolding situation in Newry Armagh. A short time ago we heard | :55:16. | :55:22. | |
Danny Kennedy, the Ulster Unionist candidate, the former Deputy Leader | :55:23. | :55:26. | |
had lost his seat in Newry Armagh. He gave his reaction to our | :55:27. | :55:29. | |
reporter. It hurts, and it hurts a lot. I have | :55:30. | :55:35. | |
had the honour to represent this constituency since 1998. It's been a | :55:36. | :55:39. | |
huge honour and a responsibility to me. | :55:40. | :55:43. | |
I want to thank those who supported me down through the years and the | :55:44. | :55:47. | |
party election team and my wife and family. | :55:48. | :55:52. | |
Yes, it is disappointing but these things happen in politics. | :55:53. | :55:59. | |
Enoch Powell said all political careers end in tears but I prefer | :56:00. | :56:04. | |
Adelaide Stephenson who said when he was defeated he said he was too | :56:05. | :56:11. | |
tired to laugh and too old to cry... What do you think were the factors | :56:12. | :56:17. | |
that went against you in this fight? I think there was clearly a surge | :56:18. | :56:22. | |
from the Sinn Fein and we always knew that was possible. I had | :56:23. | :56:29. | |
warned, with that, through the campaign and sometimes when that | :56:30. | :56:35. | |
tide comes in it simply washed us away. I am disappointed from a | :56:36. | :56:41. | |
pro-union point of view. Because 17,000 unionist votes to have only | :56:42. | :56:46. | |
one seat I think is not a fair representation for the constituency. | :56:47. | :56:52. | |
There was controversy in the campaign when Mike Nesbitt said he | :56:53. | :56:56. | |
was giving his number two to the SDLP and you wanted to vote down the | :56:57. | :57:01. | |
unionist ticket, did that work against you? And perhaps the | :57:02. | :57:05. | |
nationalists who may have given a number two decide not to do so in | :57:06. | :57:11. | |
the context of that? I think that the welcome Twort tide produced by | :57:12. | :57:16. | |
the Sinn Fein swept everyonels away, and the second unionist seat. It was | :57:17. | :57:21. | |
always possible no matter who said what. | :57:22. | :57:25. | |
What is the future for you now Mr Kennedy? I will have to look at | :57:26. | :57:30. | |
that. I'm a grandfather. There is more to life than politics. | :57:31. | :57:36. | |
There are people facing serious issues in their personal life. This | :57:37. | :57:41. | |
is a disappointing and a political setback. Yes, it is fair to say that | :57:42. | :57:46. | |
I'm very disappointed. But there are other things there. | :57:47. | :57:51. | |
I have the support of a wife and family and we'll look to a better | :57:52. | :57:55. | |
day. No surprise that Danny Kennedy | :57:56. | :57:58. | |
should be bitterly disappointed. He said he was too tired to laugh, | :57:59. | :58:04. | |
and too old to cry at the news that he has lost his seat in Newry | :58:05. | :58:08. | |
Armagh. That will be a bitter blow to him. He was the deputy speaker in | :58:09. | :58:15. | |
the last Assembly. Confirmation that in West Belfast, Alex Maskey of Sinn | :58:16. | :58:20. | |
Fein and Jerry Carol of People Before Profit Alliance have been | :58:21. | :58:26. | |
returned. There is Jerry Carrol with his supporters. Basking in the glory | :58:27. | :58:31. | |
of holding on to his seat. There is Alex Maskey and the Sinn Fein | :58:32. | :58:34. | |
supporters pleased with that result from his point of view. | :58:35. | :58:42. | |
No representation from the SDLP any more in west Belfast. Once upon a | :58:43. | :58:48. | |
time the SDLP held the Westminster seat in west Belfast. Let's take a | :58:49. | :58:54. | |
look at the Newry and Armagh result in full. I have it here. Taking a | :58:55. | :59:02. | |
look. That's the result after three stages. William Irwin, Cathal | :59:03. | :59:09. | |
Boylan, Justin McNulty and Conor Murphy returned. The turnout was | :59:10. | :59:15. | |
69.4%. It pretty impressive turnout by any standard. That's with five of | :59:16. | :59:21. | |
the five seats returned. There is the share. 48.3% for Sinn Fein. Way | :59:22. | :59:28. | |
ahead of everybody else. DUP at 17.8%. | :59:29. | :59:39. | |
The interesting one, there should be change, from last May, the Sinn Fein | :59:40. | :59:52. | |
vote is up 7.4%. The DUP up a little bit, SDLP and UUP down a little bit, | :59:53. | :00:01. | |
and Alliance up a little bit. There you go, that's the picture in Newry | :00:02. | :00:05. | |
and Armagh, the first completed a result that I have worked my way | :00:06. | :00:10. | |
through. David Ford, the former Alliance party leader is joining me | :00:11. | :00:15. | |
from his count, the South Antrim count. David Ford, good afternoon, | :00:16. | :00:20. | |
thank you for joining us. We saw a picture of you earlier talking to | :00:21. | :00:24. | |
your party colleague Stewart Dickson, a life link has been | :00:25. | :00:29. | |
returned in East Antrim. -- who I think has been returned. That's | :00:30. | :00:34. | |
confirmed, Stewart Dickson has taken a second seat in East Antrim. And | :00:35. | :00:42. | |
you are pretty confident, in third position at the moment. I have been | :00:43. | :00:47. | |
third all the way through and will almost certainly when that third | :00:48. | :00:51. | |
seat in South Antrim, yes. It was not possible to be sure quite what | :00:52. | :00:56. | |
would happen here. Some said you needed to watch yourself, there was | :00:57. | :00:59. | |
a possibility in a certain scenario you could lose that's it. Were you | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
concerned that could be the case? The reality is last year I was | :01:04. | :01:12. | |
fairly busy as a minister of justice leading up to the election. But I've | :01:13. | :01:16. | |
had more time to concentrate on the constituency recently. That has been | :01:17. | :01:21. | |
part of the fact, as well as a wider swing to Alliance across Northern | :01:22. | :01:24. | |
Ireland, so I'm pleased to see that. When you start in third and know you | :01:25. | :01:28. | |
will finish third, it's very satisfactory compared to a bit of | :01:29. | :01:32. | |
concern last year. What's your reading, and we have heard from | :01:33. | :01:35. | |
Stephen Farry, who has shared his thoughts with us, what's your | :01:36. | :01:39. | |
assessment? You like the numbers as well of precisely what we are | :01:40. | :01:48. | |
witnessing here. The centre ground around Alliance has held firm but | :01:49. | :01:51. | |
fallen away for the UUP and SDLP. But Sinn Fein looks to have had a | :01:52. | :01:54. | |
great election and DUP has held firm. Make of that what you can. | :01:55. | :01:57. | |
There has clearly been a differential turnout that has | :01:58. | :02:01. | |
increased the Sinn Fein vote significantly. One of the funny | :02:02. | :02:04. | |
things about being at an election count is that you get so wrapped up | :02:05. | :02:07. | |
with your own constituency you forget about the whole. You in the | :02:08. | :02:11. | |
studio get a better picture of the whole of Northern Ireland. It's | :02:12. | :02:16. | |
clear that significantly our vote has gone up percentage wise and | :02:17. | :02:21. | |
overall terms. It's very encouraging, and in areas where we | :02:22. | :02:26. | |
have not previously done well, we have respectable votes in areas like | :02:27. | :02:29. | |
Southdown and North Antrim, as well as into the West. What do you | :02:30. | :02:34. | |
attribute that to? There has been a change of leadership. You were busy | :02:35. | :02:39. | |
doing the Justice job and handed on the baton of leadership to Naomi | :02:40. | :02:44. | |
Long. People said she put in strong performances leading up to the | :02:45. | :02:48. | |
election. Your share of the vote is up 2.1%, 7% last time to 9.1%. | :02:49. | :02:54. | |
That's not insignificant under the circumstances. What do you think the | :02:55. | :03:00. | |
reason for that is? Faced with the fact four parties are going through | :03:01. | :03:04. | |
difficulties because of the reduction in a number of seats, to | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
see Alliance holding solid on eight, and at other couple of | :03:10. | :03:19. | |
constituencies as well, and Naomi Long has looked strong on | :03:20. | :03:22. | |
television. We have heard positive things on the doorstep in South | :03:23. | :03:30. | |
Antrim about the Alliance leadership. It's clear we are seen | :03:31. | :03:34. | |
as representing something different. An entirely different set of values | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
from the slightly more moderate unionism nationalist sentiment. | :03:39. | :03:50. | |
Eight out of 90 is a significantly higher proportion than eight out of | :03:51. | :03:54. | |
108. Thank you for sparing us a few minutes at this stage. We will no | :03:55. | :04:00. | |
doubt talk later tonight or tomorrow. Let's hear from Julian | :04:01. | :04:08. | |
Fowler. We were talking about the recount in Fermanagh and South | :04:09. | :04:11. | |
Tyrone. Do you have more information on what is happening? I have been | :04:12. | :04:15. | |
told the recount was requested by the SDLP because they are currently | :04:16. | :04:22. | |
lying in last place. 48 votes behind Sinn Fein's Sean Lynch, following | :04:23. | :04:29. | |
the redistribution of the votes of five candidates, following the first | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
preference votes. That amounts to some 3480 votes that they are | :04:34. | :04:39. | |
redistributing. They say they want to go through them again and make | :04:40. | :04:43. | |
sure no mistakes have been made. If Richie McPhillips is in last place, | :04:44. | :04:47. | |
he would be eliminated at this stage. I am also hearing that | :04:48. | :04:52. | |
following the redistribution of those votes, Arlene Foster would be | :04:53. | :04:55. | |
deemed elected, but we have to wait for the outcome of this recount | :04:56. | :04:59. | |
before we know for sure what the state of play is. Just to be clear, | :05:00. | :05:04. | |
who would be in contention for the fifth and final seat? The fifth and | :05:05. | :05:10. | |
final seat will come down to Sean Lynch from the Sinn Fein, former | :05:11. | :05:18. | |
MLA, and also the Ulster Unionists' Rosemary Barton. It seems she might | :05:19. | :05:22. | |
have leapfrogged Sean Lynch following the redistribution of the | :05:23. | :05:25. | |
first preference votes. But it will then come down to where the SDLP | :05:26. | :05:31. | |
votes will be transferred. Will they be cross community transfers as | :05:32. | :05:35. | |
happened last week? Richie McPhillips won the sixth seat last | :05:36. | :05:40. | |
year by getting UUP votes, but this time will be is SDLP votes go to | :05:41. | :05:44. | |
Sinn Fein to help Sean Lynch or will they help Rosemary Barton? | :05:45. | :05:48. | |
Fascinating, because we know Richie McPhillips picked up a lot more | :05:49. | :05:52. | |
transfers than he needed to secure the sixth seat last May. We also | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
know Sinn Fein isn't necessarily terribly transfer friendly. It will | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
be a very interesting one to keep an eye on. Thanks for keeping us up to | :06:01. | :06:08. | |
speed. We can go to Tara who I think has been joined by Gerry Carroll, | :06:09. | :06:11. | |
who has been celebrating his success, returned as an MLA for West | :06:12. | :06:19. | |
Belfast. Congratulations to Gerry Carroll. Not taking away from your | :06:20. | :06:23. | |
victory, but it's not the one it was last year. It was a smaller | :06:24. | :06:28. | |
constituency, five seats. We had two candidates, myself and the excellent | :06:29. | :06:34. | |
candidate, Michael Collins. It's been an excellent campaign. It's a | :06:35. | :06:44. | |
great result for People Before Profit in west Belfast. It's fair to | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
say the establishment parties threw everything at us. Sinn Fein and the | :06:49. | :06:51. | |
DUP, and on the ground in west Belfast it became about throwing | :06:52. | :06:57. | |
everything against People Before Profit. To get 6000 votes in West | :06:58. | :07:02. | |
Belfast in that context is a good result for People Before Profit. Do | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
you think the drop in your personal vote, you are spreading it between | :07:07. | :07:10. | |
two candidates, but is there still a Brexit element, people who are | :07:11. | :07:16. | |
unhappy with you, who don't agree with your views on Brexit. Brexit is | :07:17. | :07:23. | |
a media creation. We opposed the EU on a left-wing, socialists and | :07:24. | :07:31. | |
point. Look at what the EU has demanded of the people on the south | :07:32. | :07:38. | |
of Ireland. Demanding water charges. People in Greece said no to | :07:39. | :07:42. | |
austerity and the EU said you have to do have austerity whatever what. | :07:43. | :07:50. | |
The EU represents austerity. People Before Profit opposes the EU on | :07:51. | :07:55. | |
those terms. There was a lot of scaremongering, particularly in West | :07:56. | :07:58. | |
Belfast, by establishment parties. And also people voted Sinn Fein, | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
there was an increase across the North because people thought that by | :08:03. | :08:04. | |
voting for Sinn Fein it would be the best way to stand up against | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
corruption as they see it and stand up against the DUP. If they call for | :08:09. | :08:18. | |
the books to be opened on things like RHI among others. Performing | :08:19. | :08:24. | |
well in West Belfast but not so good elsewhere. Your colleague has | :08:25. | :08:27. | |
conceded in foil, is that right? The latest I have heard is that a has | :08:28. | :08:39. | |
conceded in Foyle it was always going to be a tough seat. But the | :08:40. | :08:43. | |
team did a great job in Derry. They put everything into it and is vote | :08:44. | :08:46. | |
went up in the end but it doesn't much like it went up enough for | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
Eamon to retain the seat. What can you do going back in if the Assembly | :08:51. | :08:57. | |
gets up and running again? We will have two feet in Stormont but we | :08:58. | :09:00. | |
will have thousands of feet in the streets. Around 6000 people behind | :09:01. | :09:05. | |
us in West Belfast. The vote overall in other areas went up overall. Even | :09:06. | :09:12. | |
in Derry it went up. The campaign in South Antrim, we got more than 500 | :09:13. | :09:19. | |
votes there. South Belfast as well, more than 500 votes. The vote has | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
gone up and we have a bigger mandate across. For ourselves in Stormont, | :09:25. | :09:28. | |
it will be a voice for people power, against cutbacks, and a voice | :09:29. | :09:31. | |
encouraging people to stand up and fight back against the | :09:32. | :09:36. | |
establishment, be it Brussels, London or Stormont itself. Gerry | :09:37. | :09:41. | |
Carroll, thank you and well done in your election. We have refreshed the | :09:42. | :09:49. | |
table once again. Speaking about South down first where you were an | :09:50. | :09:58. | |
MLA. Sinead Ennis replaced you, got 10,256, and she is the | :09:59. | :10:02. | |
second-highest first preference vote getter, two votes behind Michelle | :10:03. | :10:05. | |
O'Neill. How embarrassing would it have been for her to beat Michelle | :10:06. | :10:09. | |
O'Neill at the top table? It wouldn't have been embarrassing I | :10:10. | :10:16. | |
was Sinead's election agent. I am delighted that we have a woman | :10:17. | :10:20. | |
replacing me. I'm the chair of the woman's caucus in Stormont and I | :10:21. | :10:24. | |
want to see good and radical women in politics. Here is the ultimate | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
young radical woman as far as your party is concerned, Michelle | :10:30. | :10:32. | |
O'Neill, live pictures of her arriving at the Titanic exhibition | :10:33. | :10:35. | |
Centre. Let's see if we can hear what she is saying. Archibald, | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
Sinead Ennis, it's an amazing day and thank you so much to the Electra | :10:41. | :10:44. | |
two came out in strong numbers. The vote has increased and I think | :10:45. | :10:46. | |
that's because people knew action had to be taken. They have had their | :10:47. | :10:50. | |
say and we need to get down to the business of fixing what is wrong and | :10:51. | :10:57. | |
do well for all citizens because we are against inequality. Michelle | :10:58. | :11:00. | |
O'Neill's comments to the media as she makes her way through the scrum | :11:01. | :11:04. | |
surrounded by significant figures in Sinn Fein. Some of them you will | :11:05. | :11:07. | |
know, some of them you probably won't recognise. They are backroom | :11:08. | :11:13. | |
staff at Stormont. It's a good day for her, she's obviously pleased to | :11:14. | :11:19. | |
be returning. Just to finish on South down, what is significant in | :11:20. | :11:22. | |
Foyle and South down, for the first time ever Sinn Fein have | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
significantly outpolled the SDLP. I think that's very significant. | :11:27. | :11:31. | |
Sinead Ennis has done marvellously, as has Chris Hazard. We saw Flynn | :11:32. | :11:40. | |
alongside Michelle O'Neill as well. It's something parties need to look | :11:41. | :11:45. | |
at, young women, it's what the electorate want, a diversity of | :11:46. | :11:47. | |
candidates, and they want women candidates. We are seeing more and | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
more young female candidates doing very well. There are other women | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
doing well in other parties as well. I am talking about all parties. I do | :11:57. | :12:02. | |
want to see young women in all parties doing well. I have friends | :12:03. | :12:05. | |
in every single party and I want to see them doing well because there | :12:06. | :12:09. | |
are far too few women in politics. I hope this is the beginning of change | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
in that. Do you look forward to the time when we don't even have to make | :12:14. | :12:17. | |
that point, it's not a conversation piece? But we still do have to make | :12:18. | :12:23. | |
it. When you look at the figures in terms of the last Assembly, the | :12:24. | :12:27. | |
number of women LMA 's was significantly. We don't know what it | :12:28. | :12:33. | |
will be at this stage, in the south of Ireland it went up. I see there | :12:34. | :12:38. | |
are a couple of women in trouble and I am sad to see that. I don't like | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
to see Sandra in trouble. I don't know what the situation is in | :12:44. | :12:47. | |
relation to that now. I hope Paula Bradley does well in north Belfast. | :12:48. | :12:51. | |
I hope women from all across the political spectrum do well. Alliance | :12:52. | :12:53. | |
have some very strong women. In second place was Carol McKinnon | :12:54. | :13:08. | |
but pretty comfortable, I would have thought with 5900. Nuala McAllister | :13:09. | :13:15. | |
looks like she will not make it for the Alliance Party. And many doing | :13:16. | :13:20. | |
well. Carla Lockhart is doing well in her constituency. | :13:21. | :13:25. | |
There is a sea change. Where does Arlene Foster fit into | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
the sisterhood here? What I would like to see Newton, what I think is | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
important is that women are represented at all levels of the | :13:35. | :13:37. | |
political level. Arlene Foster is not somebody with the same opinions | :13:38. | :13:40. | |
as I. I think we can safely say that is | :13:41. | :13:47. | |
true, Nuala! But I believe in quotas, I'm a feminist but I | :13:48. | :13:51. | |
welcomed the fact that Arlene Foster was elected the leader. | :13:52. | :13:57. | |
Arlene Foster said she was a feminist because she didn't believe | :13:58. | :14:02. | |
in quotas? I believe we need quotas. If you look at over the decades, in | :14:03. | :14:08. | |
the north and the south, we've got some of the worst records in Europe | :14:09. | :14:16. | |
in the world. And so has ngland because of their first-past-the-post | :14:17. | :14:19. | |
system. I want to see a range of women. What is fascinating about | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
this Assembly is the number of pregnant women getting elected. That | :14:24. | :14:29. | |
shows that no longer is the preserve, one of men and two, of | :14:30. | :14:33. | |
maybe older women, who have raced their families, like me, I am on the | :14:34. | :14:38. | |
second generation of grandchildren, as in the past that has happened. | :14:39. | :14:42. | |
It is good. That number is two? It is more than | :14:43. | :14:47. | |
two. It is three. Two that we know of? Three that we | :14:48. | :14:51. | |
know of. Well I know of two. | :14:52. | :14:55. | |
It is better to see women making it and I'm pleased for the women fwh | :14:56. | :15:00. | |
our party who have done well and added to our vote, I believe, as we | :15:01. | :15:06. | |
did have them but they have done it on their merit. They did not do it | :15:07. | :15:11. | |
because of a quota, there was a special place held for them, they | :15:12. | :15:16. | |
did it as they competed with men, they were the better candidate, they | :15:17. | :15:21. | |
were chosen by the electorate. I love the way merit comes up when | :15:22. | :15:25. | |
women start doing well. Fair play to them. | :15:26. | :15:30. | |
Let's pause for a second or two. There are many more numbers to be | :15:31. | :15:35. | |
crunched. The man to be doing that on our behalf is of course Mark | :15:36. | :15:40. | |
Davenport. One constituency where we reported | :15:41. | :15:46. | |
last year on the loss of a most long standing women politicians was Upper | :15:47. | :15:50. | |
Bann, when Dolores Kelly lost out. But look at what's happening here | :15:51. | :15:54. | |
right now. This could be a long and a complex count. Carla Lockhart, who | :15:55. | :16:00. | |
we were talking about got a good personal vote. She has been elected. | :16:01. | :16:07. | |
That was on the basis of the DUP again topping the poll for vote | :16:08. | :16:11. | |
share. Let's have a look at how things were changing. A very good | :16:12. | :16:15. | |
result for the DUP and Sinn Fein. That's right. The Sinn Fein vote is | :16:16. | :16:23. | |
up and the SDLP up is up as well. The Ulster Unionist Party defending | :16:24. | :16:27. | |
two seats, looking likely to be voted down. | :16:28. | :16:32. | |
Let's have a look at the count. Kara Lockhart at the top of the pile is | :16:33. | :16:38. | |
elected. Doll are yes, sir Kelly is down there in sixth position -- | :16:39. | :16:46. | |
DDolores Kelly is down in seventh position, looking like she will miss | :16:47. | :16:51. | |
out in stage one. But let's hop through it is interesting now on | :16:52. | :16:56. | |
stage two isn't it? We are getting to a point where Tara Doyle, the | :16:57. | :17:03. | |
Alliance candidate will be eliminated. 3,000 votes. Who will | :17:04. | :17:09. | |
they go to? There are three unionist and three nationalist candidates. | :17:10. | :17:14. | |
The nationalist candidates 2.2 quotas between them, the unionist, | :17:15. | :17:21. | |
2.3 quotes between them. So, the two nationalist seats, the two unionist | :17:22. | :17:28. | |
seats but which will they be? At the moment, Dobson and Kelly are behind | :17:29. | :17:38. | |
but Tara Doyle could transform that. They could pull ahead. This is a | :17:39. | :17:41. | |
seat where there is still a lot to play for. | :17:42. | :17:46. | |
Not a done deal. And another area where it is not a done deal is north | :17:47. | :17:51. | |
Belfast. Here is the DUP the top of the pile. Sinn Fein is close behind. | :17:52. | :17:57. | |
Let's have a look at how it changed. A drop for the DUP. | :17:58. | :18:03. | |
Absolutely, two quote Cold Wars. But both nationalist parties put on | :18:04. | :18:08. | |
votes? There was a sense that they had underperformed but this cowl be | :18:09. | :18:12. | |
a reverse to the mean. And hopping ahead to see how the | :18:13. | :18:16. | |
personalities are doing, Sinn Fein are the top two. But Nichola mallion | :18:17. | :18:25. | |
also doing well. Is there a possible three nationalist quotas? Yes, and | :18:26. | :18:31. | |
also a possible three unionist quotas. | :18:32. | :18:35. | |
We are to hop a stage to hurry this up. Here we can see potentially | :18:36. | :18:42. | |
there will be unionist eliminated from the bottom. This will be pull | :18:43. | :18:48. | |
the DUP candidates up. Indeed, and adding the votes | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
together, there are 277 quotas for the nationalist candidates and 2.6 | :18:54. | :18:59. | |
quotas for the unionist candidates. Not counting the Alliance, 0.6, | :19:00. | :19:04. | |
which is to decide if they are a nationalist or a unionist? So we | :19:05. | :19:12. | |
cannot count Nichola mallion out. But it is remarkable we are talking | :19:13. | :19:16. | |
about the possibility of three DUP to be elected when they have less | :19:17. | :19:22. | |
than two Croatars to begin with. Thank you very much -- less than two | :19:23. | :19:31. | |
quotas to begin with. So, let's clarify what is going on. | :19:32. | :19:43. | |
Not too many candidates, or nonsnapping at heels for Mr Crawford | :19:44. | :19:49. | |
but the situation in Strangford, Stephen, what can you tells about | :19:50. | :19:53. | |
the situation in Strangford, is it becoming clearer? It will be clearer | :19:54. | :20:02. | |
as the minutes tick by the situation is that Kelly Armstrong Alliance has | :20:03. | :20:09. | |
been elected. And Simon Hamilton so two for DUP. They think also that | :20:10. | :20:16. | |
mish I will McIlveen will be elected soon and the fifth seat, could be a | :20:17. | :20:21. | |
battle. The Ulster Unionist Party are confident that Mike Nesbitt will | :20:22. | :20:25. | |
be elected. So the way that the breakdown could go in Strangford is | :20:26. | :20:31. | |
three for the DUP, one for the Ulster Unionists and one for | :20:32. | :20:38. | |
Alliance and the challenge from Jonathan Bell did not really come. | :20:39. | :20:44. | |
Thank you very much. I think I'm in serious need of some more numbers | :20:45. | :20:49. | |
and graphics. Can you help us Mark? I have lots of them. 35 seats | :20:50. | :20:55. | |
filled. You can stheem spread around our virtual map. The 18 | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
constituencies have squeezed together. Let's drill down the | :21:01. | :21:05. | |
numbers. West to West Tyrone to see who is in there. Three seats filled. | :21:06. | :21:11. | |
The best known figures is the one at the bottom, Barry McIll duff. So | :21:12. | :21:20. | |
from West of the Bann to the east to Roy Beggs. I think he is in. Roy | :21:21. | :21:27. | |
Beggs Junior keeping the flag flying for his dad. And well known face, | :21:28. | :21:33. | |
David hilled itch and Stuart Dickson of the Alliance Party. | :21:34. | :21:39. | |
Let's have a look at south down to see what is happening there. This in | :21:40. | :21:44. | |
terms of nationalismcism the story of the election. Sinn Fein are doing | :21:45. | :21:49. | |
well. Two people in so far, including the former minister, Chris | :21:50. | :21:54. | |
Hazard. So far, so good, for Sinn Fein! OK. Thank you very much Mark | :21:55. | :22:03. | |
for that. Very helpful indeed. Interesting pictures unfolding | :22:04. | :22:05. | |
across the constituencies and on the bigger picture as well. As far as | :22:06. | :22:14. | |
the parties are concerned we have in a couple of minutes before we hit | :22:15. | :22:20. | |
the 6.00pm news, folks, let's talk overview. Sammy, the thoughts of | :22:21. | :22:24. | |
where we are at this point in the day? We are pleased as a party that | :22:25. | :22:30. | |
the overall vote held up. Despite all of the difficulties we faced | :22:31. | :22:35. | |
during the election. It now faces a challenge, of course, after the | :22:36. | :22:39. | |
election as to whether or not Sinn Fein dig their heels in and don't | :22:40. | :22:43. | |
show the kind of respect that they have talked about, wishing to have | :22:44. | :22:50. | |
shown to them. Katrina? Sinn Fein are pleased with | :22:51. | :22:56. | |
their result. What is significant is the number of new people voting. And | :22:57. | :23:02. | |
Brexit was obviously such a key issue, some of the new people are | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
the ethnic minorities. I hope we get more. | :23:08. | :23:12. | |
Stephen? People are in touch with the politics, that is a good sign | :23:13. | :23:19. | |
but we need to keep them remaining to be engaged. We need to do a | :23:20. | :23:24. | |
massive job in the weeks ahead to keep a stable government in place. | :23:25. | :23:28. | |
We have seen some remarkable developments. It is clear that the | :23:29. | :23:33. | |
DUP and the Sinn Fein will be returning to Stormont as the largest | :23:34. | :23:39. | |
parties but it is not clear how many seats they will fill. Not a good day | :23:40. | :23:47. | |
for the SDLP and the Democratic Unionist Party both losing high | :23:48. | :23:51. | |
professional names. It looks likely to hold on to its | :23:52. | :24:00. | |
seats, the Alliance Party. Arlene Foster and Michelle O'Neill topped | :24:01. | :24:08. | |
the polls in their constituencies and the DUP, kept ahead by 1100 | :24:09. | :24:13. | |
votes. There is lots nor play throughout the evening. BBC Newsline | :24:14. | :24:24. | |
is back before 6.30pm. And we are back with full coverage later. It | :24:25. | :24:29. | |
will be a very interesting evening. Stay tuned. We are with the count on | :24:30. | :24:35. | |
through to midnight. From then, from all of us. Thank you for your time. | :24:36. | :24:42. | |
We will have a panel of guests. There will be other politicians a | :24:43. | :24:49. | |
joining us. We are talking to the experts from the various centres and | :24:50. | :24:55. | |
a panel of experts and Mark Davenport and his guests, Nicholas | :24:56. | :24:59. | |
White and others crunching the numbers for us. Until then, from all | :25:00. | :25:01. | |
of us. | :25:02. | :25:02. |