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Hello, I'm Ros Atkins, this is Outside Source.

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Donald Trump has given his first press conference

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He took the stage, gave a statement, and then took questions

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on Obamacare, conflicts of interest, his proposed wall on

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the Mexican border - and whether he is vulnerable

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I saw the information, I read the information,

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it's all fake news, it's all phoney, it didn't happen.

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If Putin likes Donald Trump, I consider that an asset, not a

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liability, because we have a horrible relationship with Russia.

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He finished by using a phrase we all know.

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They do a bad job, I'll say, you're fired.

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We'll take you through all the key moments of that press conference.

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And then we'll turn to the confirmation hearing

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of Rex Tillerson, who Donald Trump wants to become Secretary of State.

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We will play you clips and schedule analysis.

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We've correspondents in New York and Washington,

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plus the BBC's North America editor Jon Sopel will be live with me

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And across the hour, if you have questions on what Mr Trump said, you

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can use our hashtag, my contact details and the e-mail address are

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on screen. Send as your questions, we have live reporters through the

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hour to give you some answers. Every part of Donald Trump's

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successful journey to the White House has been passionate,

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abrasive, different and divisive. The same can be said

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of his first press conference. This was from Mr Trump's

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opening statement. Thank you very much, it is very

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familiar territory, News conferences, because we used to give

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them on an almost daily basis, I think we have probably maybe won the

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nomination because of news conferences, it is good to be with

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you. We stopped giving them because we were getting quite a bit of an

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accurate news, but I do have to say, and I must say, that I want to thank

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a lot of the news organisations here today. Because they looked at that

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nonsense that was released by, maybe, the intelligence agencies,

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who knows? Maybe the intelligence agencies, which would be age Mendis

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blot on their record if they, in fact, did that. A tremendous

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blotter. What Mr Trump is talking

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about there are reports that Russia's intelligence agencies hold

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compromising personal They come in a dossier believed

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to have been written by a former CNN reported that US intelligence

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had shown a summary of the dossier And Donald Trump

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is furious with both. As you'll see in this next clip

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from the press conference. I think it was disgraceful,

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disgraceful, that the intelligence agencies allowed any information

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that turned out to be so false and fake out. I think it is a disgrace.

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And I say that, and I say that, and that is something that Nazi Germany

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would have done, and they do. I think it is a disgrace. But

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information that was false and fake that never happened got released to

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the public as far as BuzzFeed, which is a failing pile of garbage writing

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it, I think they will suffer the consequences, they already are. And

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as far as CNN going out of their way to build it up, and, by the way, we

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just found out, I was coming down, Michael Cohen is a very talented

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lawyer, a good friend, he has just reported that it was not this one

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they were talking about. All night long it is him, I said, I want to

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see your passport, he brings it to my office, I say, wait a minute, he

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was not out of the country. They said that he was in Prague. It

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turned out to be a different person with the same name. It is a disgrace

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what took place, it is a disgrace. I think they ought to apologise to

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Michael, to start with. REPORTER: President-elect, since you are

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attacking us, can you give us a chance? Not you, your

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organisation... Go ahead. Quiet. Go ahead. She is asking a question,

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don't be rude. Don't be rude. Don't be rude. No, I am not going to give

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you a question. You are fake news. The reporter not being allowed

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to ask a question by Donald Trump "Fortunately ABC's Cecilia Vega

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asked my question about whether any Lots of people were upset by the

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nature of that exchange. Trump also says the incoming

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White House press secretary Sean Spicer threatened to kick him

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out of the press conference I apologise, Jim Acosta from CNN

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said that. What about BuzzFeed? It editor Ben Smith said the decision

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to publish the dossier is, and this is from the statement he tweeted,

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our presumption is to be transparent in our journalism and to share what

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we have with reasons, we publish the dossier so that Americans can make

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up their own minds about allegations that Donald Trump... About the

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president that have circulated at the highest levels of the US

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government. He also mentioned the media and went

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on to say, publishing this document was not an easy or simple call and

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people of goodwill may disagree with our choice.

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It is fair to say that Donald Trump disagrees. It is worth emphasising

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that the story is not so much about the allegations, the BBC and other

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organisations have been aware of them and we simply can't verify

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them, the story is that US intelligence, having got this

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dossier, decided it was sufficiently important that they gave a summary

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bid to Donald Trump and Barack Obama, that is the story that the

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BBC is focusing on. -- gave a summary of it too.

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Donald Trump also spoke about those allegations that Russian hacking

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attempted to influence the presidential election.

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Here he is on matter. I think it was Russian, but I think

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we will also hacked by other countries and other people -- we

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were also hacked. I can say that when we lost 22 million names and

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everything else that was hacked recently, they didn't make a big

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deal out of that, that is something that was extraordinary, probably

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China. We had much hacking going on. That's the first time Mr Trump has

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explicitly said that Russia carried out hacking

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during the presidential election. Which led him on to talking

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about his potential relationship If Putin likes Donald Trump, I

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consider that an asset, not a liability. We have a horrible

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relationship with Russia, Russia can help us fight ices which, by the

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way, is, number one, tricky. This administration created Isis by

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leaving at the wrong time. The void has created, Isis was formed. If

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Putin likes Donald Trump, guess what, that is an asset, not a

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liability. I don't know that I will get along with Vladimir Putin. I

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hope I do, but there is a good chance I won't. And if I don't, do

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you honestly believe that Hillary would be tougher on Putin than me?

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Does anybody in this room really believe that? Give me a break.

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Let's bring in the BBC's Anthony Zurcher from Washington, DC. When

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Donald Trump won, the media in the US did a lot of hand-wringing about

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not seeing it coming, it has had quite a few weeks to get ready for

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this press conference but did not land many punches? It reminded me a

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lot of the ones he had during his primary campaign, all over the

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place, occasionally acrimonious, he would tend to pick out an enemy and

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beat that, in this case the enemy was CNN, BuzzFeed and other members

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of the press, as well as calling into question the intelligence

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community, but part of the nature of these kind of conferences is it is

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very difficult to follow up questions, very easy for Donald

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Trump to turn those questions back on the questioner, to dodge or evade

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whatever he does not want to answer, particularly if the question is one

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of these four or five multipart questions that reporters like to do

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when presidential press conferences, Donald Trump would just pick the

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question that he wanted to say, answer that and let the rest slide.

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I think we learned some interesting things about what Donald Trump

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intends to do with his business empire, some of the things about

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health care policy, a timeline on Supreme Court nominations, a little

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bit more on how he will try to get Mexico to pay for the border wall

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through taxes, not some sort of check up front, but other than that,

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lots of it was sound and fury. When he was going for the nomination we

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sometimes discussed how things would change if he became the nominee.

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When he was the nominee there were suggestions about whether he would

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change as President-elect, it seems he is not changing at all, this is

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the man as he has always been a dozen Americans voted for him? You

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are right, I think the talk of a Trump pivot, whatever it was, we

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never saw that. Donald Trump is who he is, he has been the same Donald

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Trump on Twitter over last few weeks as he was when running for president

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and even before he entered the political arena, that is Donald

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Trump and he will not change for better or worse, we will have to

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adjust and react to it. For the next four years, I think. You mentioned

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policy details, let's work through some of the more significant ones,

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what did you pick out as being, we did not know that before and we know

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now? The top line was what he said about the business empire, that he

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would hand over control of his sprawling financial domain to his

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sons, but he would not divest himself of ownership nor would he

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set up some sort of blind trust, he brought on a lawyer to talk about

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the details of this and she said that Donald Trump can't really

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forget that he owns Trump Tower, which is a ballad point. He knows

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where his golf courses and real estate holdings are so it'll be hard

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for him to operate without that knowledge, but lots of critic said

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he needed to take more steps to make sure he had no appearance of

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conflict-of-interest when he was taking actions for his presidency,

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and the things he announced, I am pretty sure they will not satisfy

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those critics. I mentioned the Mexican wall, he said that instead

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of having some sort of upfront payment from Mexico that there might

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be some sort of tax or border levy installed, maybe within a year, that

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there would be negotiations. The other key thing that he talked about

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was health care reform, talk about delaying and repealing ObamaCare, he

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wants to see some sort of action unappealing ObamaCare, which he says

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is ruinous, in the next several weeks after his human health and

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services nominee is confirmed, and as soon as it is repealed a

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replacement has to be brought up almost instantaneously. That is the

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heavy-lift, legislatively, and people in Congress are probably

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getting nervous that Donald Trump is setting that deadline, it looks like

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that is what he will push for. Thank you, Anthony Zurcher will be

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back with us later in the programme. Now let's talk about the dossier is

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a more. -- some more. The BBC's Paul Wood has spent

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several months looking into this now-infamous dossier that has

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so angered Mr Trump The BBC has known about it for some

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weeks but we have not been able to publish it or verify its contents.

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This document has circulated for some time in Washington, it was

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known about in the congressional leadership, senior intelligence

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figures, in September and October. Some of the big American papers got

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hold of it, as did we in the BBC, in the last week of the election. Many

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people felt they could not publish it because they did not know if it

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was true. I managed to pass on questions to the CIA officers, or

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some of them, dealing with the case file. It would be illegal for them

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to talk to me directly but I got a message back from them saying it was

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more than one table, audio as well as video, in more than one location,

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not just the Ritz-Carlton in Moscow but St Petersburg as well, more than

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one data, material of the sexual nature which they regarded as

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credible. I spoke to a retired spy in August to tilt me quite

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independently of the MI6 officer, the only source in the American

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media, that he had been informed by the head of an Eastern European

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intelligence agency of blackmail Tate possessed by the Russians with

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material of the sexual nature about Mr Trump. None of this is to say

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that anybody is endorsing these claims, but there are certainly --

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there is certainly sufficient credibility for the intelligence

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community to pass them onto Mr Obama, the congressional leadership

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and Mr Trump, who is angry. Some viewers would say wouldn't Russia

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have an interest in Mr Trump thinking they had this kind of thing

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on him? They're all sorts of explanations, one of which, I spoke

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to an expert on Russia who said that FSB officers like to boast that they

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have compromising material, they make a lot of use about as part of

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the tradecraft and they are always boasting about this or that public

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figure possibly being the subject of blackmail, we do not know unless we

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see the tape at the Russians will not release it, so it comes down to

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whether these FSB officers are credible, we are getting it second

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through an MI6 officer who everybody says is credible, has long

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experience in Moscow, but these are allegations and hearsay evidence,

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nobody has seen the tape. That said, the allegations about the

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tape are not coming out in isolation, there has been an

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interagency task force comprising the FBI on one hand and the CIA on

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the other, looking at allegations that money was passed to Mr Trump

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was my campaign through some of his associates, a secret court warrant

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was granted a couple of weeks before voting, again, these are

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allegations, nobody is saying they are proven, but I would not be

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surprised to see congressional hearings on this. Want you in the UK

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sees it -- says that if these tapes were known about months ago, why was

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that not released? -- one viewer in the UK says. I can only speak about

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the BBC, we were aware of the dossier but could not verify any of

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the allegations in it, which is why the story was taking a little while.

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CNN has reported the fact that US intelligence showed a summary of the

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dossier to Donald Trump and Barack Obama. As to why BuzzFeed published

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the editor of BuzzFeed who took a decision and has dealt with that on

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Twitter throughout the day. Later we will talk about Donald

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Trump Usman business interests with the help of the mirror Hussein. We

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will look in more detail about the measures he has taken to put

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distance between him and his businesses once he is in the White

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House. The former British ambassador

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to the United States, Sir Christopher Meyer,

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says Trump's rocky relationship with the intelligence agencies -

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even before he's taken office - is concerning for both US

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and world security. In this press conference, although

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he did not exactly underlined this coming hugely suggested that the

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intelligence agencies might be behind the publicly King of these

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allegations, such that they have appeared in certain news agencies --

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the public the king. You might say this is a renewed war between

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himself and the intelligence agencies, you are quite right to say

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that for a president to start his term of office on bad relations,

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very bad relations, with the intelligence agencies, it is not

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brilliant for American security and not brilliant for world security or

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the security of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation.

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This is Outside Source live from the BBC newsroom.

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Donald Trump gave his first press conference as President-elect -

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facing questions on Obamacare, conflicts of interest

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and whether he is vulnerable to blackmail by Russia.

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It was his first press conference in almost six months. Some of the main

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stories from the BBC World Service...

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BBC China report that Taiwan used military jets to monitor a Chinese

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aircraft carrier as it sailed close to the island.

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China has said it was carrying out a standard naval drill

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Tensions between China and Taiwan have been running high

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since Donald Trump chose to take a call from the Taiwanese

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A cold snap across Southern and Eastern Europe is now thought

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to have caused 30 people to lose their lives.

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Many of those who've died were migrants living

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We have a report from Greece on this story later in the programme.

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Donald Trump knew he'd be asked about possible

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He took it head on - even had a huge pile of paperwork

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relating to his businesses up on the stage with him.

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Here he is explaining what he will do.

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What I'm going to be doing is that my two sons, who are right here, Don

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and Eric, will be running the company. They are going to be

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running it in a very professional manner, they will not discuss it

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with me. Again, I don't have to do this. They will not discuss it with

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me. And, with that, I will bring up Cheri Dillon, these papers are among

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many documents I have signed showing complete and total turnover of

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control to my sons. Samira Hussain has been looking

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into those conflicts in New York Can you explain blind trust? Mr

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Trump has said he will turn over the management of the Trump organisation

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to his two sons and another trusted advisor and he will completely step

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away from any sort of business decisions. In addition, he has said

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that the Trump organisation will not have any international deals as long

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as he is in office, and with regards to domestic deals, that will be

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subject to the approval of their own appointed ethics advisers, so the

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ethics adviser will say to the Trump boys whether or not the deal could

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go through and whether it is upholding the standards of ethics

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here in the United States. Is that satisfying people concerned about

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this? That is the question. Likely it will

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probably not satisfy everyone. There are a few problems with what he has

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already established. First, he has divested anything. Because he has

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not divest did anything, he still has a vested interest in how the

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company is run and its success. In that way he is not really providing

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enough distance between himself and the Trump organisation. It is not a

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blind trust, because he has given management over to his two sons, the

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truest sense of the blind trust would mean it would have to be an

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outside adviser, someone that the Trump organisation does not know

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what all, but that does not really exist with his two sons. Finally, it

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is really hard to say that you don't care how well your sons do, it is in

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his interest that they do well, and the sharing of information, it is

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such a slippery slope. Thank you for taking us through

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that, we appreciated. Mr Trump has interests in 144

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companies operating in 25 countries. We were talking about the FTSE 100

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yesterday. Yesterday the FTSE 100 index -

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the UK's leading measure of share prices - closed at a record high

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for the ninth day in a row. As you can see, it continues to

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increase, in part related to the value of sterling, companies that

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operate abroad can make more money when they turn their foreign

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currency into sterling. Let's get the analysis of the BBC's

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North American editor Jon Sopel on what we saw earlier from Donald

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Trump. He was on the front but, he was

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going to come up fighting, you would not have expected anything

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different. Even from the extraordinary standards that one

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accepts as the new normal from Donald Trump, it was that on

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something beyond. -- and something beyond. What came out of it was the

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really fraught relationship he will have much as with the media, we

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expected that, but the intelligence services. It almost seems in the

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news conferences that he thought the word of the CIA and the FBI were

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somehow worth less than the word of Vladimir Putin, he quoted

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favourably. That will be a fraught relationship going forward. My other

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takeout was that Donald Trump was the genius jury the campaign of

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using social media to bite, to hit at opponents, and whether this news

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is fake or not, you felt today that he has been bitten and you had his

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supporters and him saying that this fake news is a disgrace and

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disgusting, you heard less of it when it was Hillary Clinton on the

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receiving end during the campaign. I know you expect a tough relationship

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between the media and the president when he takes office, nonetheless I

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can't recall a press conference where a figure of the seniority in

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US politics was quite as abrasive with a couple of journalists. Maybe

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you have been an press conferences where you have seen something like

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that? Good god I have been an endless rallies where at some point

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during Donald Trump 's Mike 's speech he says, the media, have you

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ever seen such a bunch of liars? A mole dishonest group you will never

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meet. I guess I thought it would be different. Why, this is how he

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operates. An awful lot of the American public distrust and dislike

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the media. Among his core supporters it will not make a lot of

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difference, but remember what Donald Trump said when he won, I will unite

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the United States of America, bring people together and be a healer. I

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think the people who love Donald Trump will still love him at the end

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of this, I think the people who hate Donald Trump will still hate him at

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the end of this. I think America remains as polarised on America's

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45th president has ever before. He set out a very ambitious timetable,

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I will do this on day one, this update two, does he have the support

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on the hill to get those measures through? I think he probably will. I

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think Congress, the House of Representatives and the Senate,

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which is what we mean by the Hill, are scared of him, I think he is

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using that to great effect. I think he is very powerful in a legislative

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position. He is not omnipotent, he has to watch his step. If the

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perception comes about that foreign policy towards Russia is in any way

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being dictated by something the criminal Matt -- Kremlin might have

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over him, dangerous. Jon will be back in Washington soon

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continuing his coverage of Donald Trump. I will speak to you in a

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couple of minutes.

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