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station in the capital. Gary Glitter was brought out of his | :00:04. | :00:08. | |
home in central London and taken into custody early this morning. He | :00:08. | :00:12. | |
was arrested as part of Operation Yewtree, off the police | :00:12. | :00:20. | |
investigation into the stream of allegations Jimmy Savile and others. | :00:20. | :00:27. | |
A former pop star, has already served position -- prison sentences | :00:27. | :00:32. | |
for a child offences in Britain and Vietnam. His name has also been | :00:32. | :00:36. | |
mentioned in connection with Jimmy Savile. Lord Patten has told a | :00:36. | :00:41. | |
newspaper that the scandal as but the BBC's reputation on the line. | :00:41. | :00:47. | |
The corporation was dedicated to finding out that truth. Labour says | :00:47. | :00:52. | |
the investigation set up by the BBC are not enough. Her we need one | :00:52. | :00:57. | |
overarching enquiry. It should be independent because there are big | :00:57. | :01:02. | |
lessons to be learned here, not just for the BBC, although the | :01:02. | :01:10. | |
epicentre was that the BBC, but elsewhere. The police in -- | :01:10. | :01:15. | |
investigation has produced over 300 alleged victims. In the days ahead | :01:15. | :01:20. | |
police are expected to make several more arrests. | :01:20. | :01:24. | |
An independent think-tank is suggesting that a crackdown on gang | :01:24. | :01:29. | |
culture if in a response to last year's riots may have backfired. | :01:29. | :01:33. | |
The Centre for Social Justice claims that in some cases arrests | :01:33. | :01:38. | |
led to more violence. It calls on the authorities to prevent | :01:38. | :01:40. | |
youngsters joining gangs in the first place. | :01:40. | :01:45. | |
A BBC investigation has found some care homes in England that had been | :01:45. | :01:48. | |
awarded a five star ratings by independent companies are failing | :01:48. | :01:58. | |
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to meet the essential requirements. In the United States, president | :02:06. | :02:10. | |
Obama has held a conference call with emergency chutes to print -- | :02:10. | :02:14. | |
prepare for one of the biggest arms to hit the eastern seaboard for | :02:14. | :02:19. | |
many years. Hurricane Sandy is that already 1000 kilometres wide and | :02:19. | :02:22. | |
after lunch all it is likely to collide with a winter storm from | :02:22. | :02:32. | |
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the West. State of emergency is in place across most of the East Coast. | :02:32. | :02:38. | |
That is all the news for now. There will be more news on BBC One at | :02:38. | :02:46. | |
five past sex. -- 5 Pass six. | :02:46. | :02:50. | |
Good afternoon. Scottish Ministers want more powers to deal with | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
drink-driving. The SNP Government is to cut the limit, but also wants | :02:54. | :02:59. | |
to be able to conduct random testing and bring in tougher | :02:59. | :03:04. | |
measures for young drivers. It is now planning to cut the limit | :03:04. | :03:08. | |
from 80 milligrams of alcohol per 100 millilitres of blood if down to | :03:09. | :03:14. | |
50 milligrams. But SNP Ministers now say that has not gone far | :03:14. | :03:17. | |
enough. The Scottish Justice Secretary has asked Westminster for | :03:17. | :03:21. | |
a further responsibilities which would allow police to carry out | :03:21. | :03:24. | |
random breath testing as well as being able to make penalties for | :03:25. | :03:29. | |
the offence even tougher. And Scottish Ministers also won powers | :03:29. | :03:34. | |
to cut their drink-drive limit for or even further fir Newt a | :03:34. | :03:44. | |
qualified drivers. -- or a newly qualified. | :03:44. | :03:48. | |
The drink-drive limit will be staying as it is an England wells | :03:48. | :03:51. | |
north of the border Scottish Ministers say more action is needed | :03:51. | :03:58. | |
to tackle the problem. The Chief Secretary to the tragedy | :03:58. | :04:03. | |
-- Treasury, Danny Alexander, says the First Minister Alex Salmond as | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
more questions to answer about his conduct over legal advice and | :04:08. | :04:13. | |
Scotland's membership of the European Union. Why was it that he | :04:13. | :04:17. | |
allowed thousands of pounds of taxpayers' money was invested in | :04:17. | :04:21. | |
preparing a court case to prevent him releasing legal advice that | :04:21. | :04:28. | |
turned out do not exist on Scotland's EU membership. There are | :04:28. | :04:31. | |
rules about public finance in this country which means you should not | :04:31. | :04:35. | |
waste taxpayers' money. This is one of the most extraordinary episodes | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
of the most extraordinary episodes we have seen so far. If time for | :04:38. | :04:44. | |
the weather: After a bright start to the weekend yesterday, we are | :04:44. | :04:51. | |
ending on Saddam not. Fairly breezy as well. -- on a damp | :04:51. | :04:59. | |
note. Temperature Wise, around nine or ten degrees in the south-west. | :04:59. | :05:05. | |
Into the rest of the evening, the rain clears away and showers | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
continue in the north-west. Tonight it should be frost-free. That is | :05:08. | :05:18. | |
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the forecast for now. It is back to The NHS needs to make millions of | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
pounds of savings. Audit Scotland says the health service needs to | :05:29. | :05:34. | |
focus on long-term planning, and the way its finances are organised | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
makes that difficult. After years of growth the health | :05:38. | :05:43. | |
service is facing a leaner times. The NHS must save �270 million this | :05:43. | :05:49. | |
year, nearly 50 million less than last year it still challenging. It | :05:49. | :05:56. | |
is a sign NHS Scotland is not in a half a % rise in energy prices cost | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
�2 million for the largest Health Board, Greater Glasgow and Clyde. | :06:00. | :06:06. | |
Even so, Audit Scotland van or Health Board broke even in the | :06:06. | :06:11. | |
financial year 2011-12. But the report sheds light on how it that | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
was done and says the focus on balancing the books every year may | :06:15. | :06:21. | |
skew priorities. The risk for the short term is that changes are | :06:21. | :06:26. | |
really needed to meet the challenges available in the future | :06:26. | :06:31. | |
and the demographic changes we know are coming can be squeezed out. The | :06:31. | :06:35. | |
annual focus can make the changes harder. We know that in order to | :06:35. | :06:40. | |
break even each year, some wards were having to move money across | :06:40. | :06:44. | |
the system. Others were relying on savings and a handful relied on | :06:44. | :06:48. | |
extra support from the Scottish Government. We think it would | :06:48. | :06:52. | |
increase transparency that was made more apparent in the accounts. | :06:52. | :06:54. | |
Scottish health boards say they will meet their targets this year | :06:54. | :06:59. | |
but said that may become harder to achieve. This expert in public | :06:59. | :07:03. | |
finance degrees and highlights a backlog in building and equipment | :07:03. | :07:09. | |
maintenance that is built up to a estimated billions of pounds. | :07:09. | :07:16. | |
dangers of efficiency savings are the huge amount of bad luck | :07:16. | :07:19. | |
expenditure on maintenance. There are huge budgetary pressures that | :07:19. | :07:23. | |
will not go away. The short-term pressures are there and exist so | :07:23. | :07:27. | |
you can say it is a nice idea over the long term but the pressures on | :07:27. | :07:33. | |
the health boards are on the short term. At Holyrood the sometimes to | :07:33. | :07:39. | |
polarised debate about health spending... The health budget is | :07:39. | :07:44. | |
predicted to decline in real terms for the next three years at the | :07:44. | :07:47. | |
Scottish Government maintains the Budget is going up and that | :07:47. | :07:54. | |
investments are taking place to help patient care. It says there is | :07:54. | :08:00. | |
currently a realistic increase in spending. If you spend any time | :08:00. | :08:06. | |
with nurses, with the ambulance service, with patients themselves, | :08:06. | :08:13. | |
you will hear stories of the NHS scribbling. -- Sproat -- struggling. | :08:13. | :08:17. | |
The NHS staff do a great job but they cannot keep doing it with | :08:17. | :08:21. | |
fewer resources and increased demand. If you look at the number | :08:22. | :08:26. | |
of people treated by the NHS every year, if you look at the waiting | :08:26. | :08:30. | |
times for performance, the improved treatments, the number of | :08:30. | :08:34. | |
operations we are doing, all of that is performing far better than | :08:34. | :08:39. | |
it has ever done, so to say that the National Health Service in any | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
way is in any kind of crisis is total nonsense. There are | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
challenges that we are rising to the challenges. All parties | :08:48. | :08:52. | |
recognise times are tough. The question is how best to cope and | :08:52. | :08:58. | |
the answer really matters. End your health spending of �11.5 billion -- | :08:58. | :09:03. | |
annual health spending, is about a third of the entire Scottish budget. | :09:03. | :09:07. | |
With me is Theresa Fyffe, the Scottish director of the Royal | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
College of Nursing, and Ian Mullen, the former chair of NHS Forth | :09:11. | :09:17. | |
Valley. Theresa Fyffe, two characterisations we heard there | :09:17. | :09:20. | |
from the Scottish Government and the Labour Party. One saying there | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
is no crisis, another saying this is an alarm call. What you think? | :09:24. | :09:29. | |
The first thing we need to do is acknowledge that the staff, doctors, | :09:29. | :09:32. | |
nurses, managers who are delivering good health outcomes for patients, | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
but they're doing that against a backdrop of increasing financial | :09:37. | :09:43. | |
restraints and what the NHS board are doing to balance the books are | :09:43. | :09:50. | |
not sustainable. The what way? Things like keeping a vacancy open | :09:50. | :09:55. | |
for a number of months, or trying to reduce the workforce. Nurses may | :09:55. | :09:59. | |
be having to continue to provide the same service with less staff | :09:59. | :10:03. | |
and less resources. That cannot continue because that has an impact | :10:03. | :10:07. | |
on the well-being and stress of those staff. And this is a result | :10:07. | :10:12. | |
of the way that the budgets are run on an annual basis, that there is | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
not enough thought to the long term? When you are running annually | :10:15. | :10:18. | |
and you have a savings target to meet you have to find those savings | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
and they tend to be on a short-term basis. What the hell sports are | :10:22. | :10:26. | |
struggling to do, there's some have done that, is fined and release the | :10:26. | :10:30. | |
money to be able to do a significance service redesigned | :10:30. | :10:34. | |
that might bring in the savings they require, so short term, it | :10:34. | :10:38. | |
does not allow that approach to happen. Ian Mullen, you have done | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
it. You have been in charge of his money and had to wrestle with these | :10:41. | :10:47. | |
problems. Is it difficult? course, but I think auditors always | :10:47. | :10:52. | |
look at a very small part of any system and examine it, and that is | :10:52. | :10:56. | |
what Audit Scotland have done in this particular case. They have | :10:56. | :11:00. | |
looked at the financial performance of the NHS and they have not looked | :11:00. | :11:02. | |
at the big picture because that was not their role here, and what they | :11:03. | :11:06. | |
have said is that three of the health board's required additional | :11:06. | :11:10. | |
financial support, which is repayable and that financial | :11:10. | :11:14. | |
support was based on some quite specific problems for those three | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
boards. But they were unhappy people did not know about that. | :11:18. | :11:25. | |
They have to uncover it, basically. I think... I think anyone reading | :11:25. | :11:28. | |
the annual accounts of those three health boards would see that they | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
had support. What they would not have seen was the detail of that | :11:32. | :11:36. | |
and that is precisely what Audit Scotland have done. But is also | :11:36. | :11:40. | |
important to remember that there were other -- and nine other votes | :11:40. | :11:48. | |
which produced services, so overall, NHS Scotland break even. -- nine | :11:48. | :11:55. | |
other boards. In doing that it is also important to realise that in | :11:55. | :12:00. | |
achieving that breaking point, the health service has continued to | :12:00. | :12:03. | |
provide a very high quality of service. When I was appointed ten | :12:03. | :12:09. | |
years ago as an NHS chair, people were waiting two-and-a-half years | :12:09. | :12:14. | |
for hip replacements, for example. Now it is nine weeks, and that is | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
still being achieved under this financial regime. Sure, but do you, | :12:18. | :12:23. | |
for Theresa Fyffe, think we have yet had an honest debate about how | :12:23. | :12:27. | |
we're going to continue to afford this level of care? I do not think | :12:27. | :12:31. | |
so. I understand what Ian is saying which is why I said at the | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
beginning that the performance of the NHS in Scotland has been very | :12:34. | :12:39. | |
good. But the public has to understand we will have financial | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
constraints that will increase and if we're not able to demonstrate | :12:43. | :12:46. | |
where the shift of funding in the system is, that transparency about | :12:46. | :12:49. | |
where money is being used, where it goes, what is being spent on in | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
health, the public will not understand that there is actually | :12:53. | :12:59. | |
choice and perhaps the toughest choices in the future. By u talking | :12:59. | :13:04. | |
about -- are you talking about big ticket items, flagship policies? | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
believe so. The public at the moment might say, for example, | :13:08. | :13:13. | |
there has been the recent debate about three prescriptions, whether | :13:13. | :13:19. | |
we can have for theirs. You are saying we cannot? I am not saying | :13:19. | :13:27. | |
so at all. -- about whether we can afford those. We are concerned that | :13:27. | :13:29. | |
the efficiency and productivity that can be delivered in the health | :13:29. | :13:33. | |
service, already much has been done about that, but when you try, for | :13:33. | :13:37. | |
example, to find funding for a new innovation, for example, in the | :13:37. | :13:43. | |
Western Isles I have brought in the use of digital pence. -- has a 35 % | :13:43. | :13:51. | |
productivity. In a nutshell. They give the ability to electronically | :13:51. | :13:57. | |
collect data. The communities have nurses that are able to collect | :13:57. | :14:02. | |
that data. We cannot get the funding for that and we do not know | :14:02. | :14:06. | |
why it is not available because it did not transparent. Ian, is the | :14:06. | :14:13. | |
problem not a tussle between the short and long term? I do not | :14:13. | :14:20. | |
except to research's point that the public do not face -- understand | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
financial restraint. Perhaps they do not understand that it means | :14:23. | :14:28. | |
that at some point something has to give? Actually, I bear the scars of | :14:28. | :14:33. | |
dozens of public meetings and when we have gone and discussed the | :14:33. | :14:37. | |
services we were going to provide and how we wanted to change, and it | :14:37. | :14:42. | |
may be simple to have the discussion with the public about | :14:42. | :14:47. | |
changing things like reducing tattoo removal and so forth, but | :14:47. | :14:52. | |
when you start to talk about reducing expensive services such as | :14:52. | :14:56. | |
infertility, there was a real problem, so I am all for being as | :14:56. | :15:00. | |
open as possible to the public. I think that is very important that I | :15:00. | :15:03. | |
do go back to the fact that the health service is still currently | :15:03. | :15:07. | |
providing a range of high quality services, even in the current | :15:07. | :15:11. | |
financial situation. I think you both agree on at any weight. Thank | :15:11. | :15:19. | |
you Bose very much indeed. Music, according to one of | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
Scotland's most talented performers, is like daily medicine. Dame Evelyn | :15:23. | :15:28. | |
Glennie made her name as a virtuoso percussionist, a superb achievement | :15:28. | :15:33. | |
for anyone, all the more remarkable considering she is profoundly deaf. | :15:33. | :15:37. | |
Now after her stunning role in the opening ceremony at the London | :15:37. | :15:43. | |
Olympics, she is performing a new show in Glasgow and banging the | :15:43. | :15:44. | |
drum for musical education in schools. | :15:45. | :15:50. | |
On the threshold a factory in her native North East, Evelyn Glenlee | :15:50. | :15:56. | |
delights the audience. -- Dame Evelyn Glennie. These amazing | :15:56. | :16:00. | |
talent was encouraged by supportive teachers at school in Aberdeenshire | :16:00. | :16:05. | |
and that London Royal Academy of Music. She says she feels music as | :16:05. | :16:08. | |
vibrations in the air and her deafness does not really affect her | :16:08. | :16:13. | |
life very much. Her contribution to the UK music scene was recognised | :16:13. | :16:23. | |
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in this performance at the London Dame Evelyn Glennie is in Glasgow | :16:27. | :16:32. | |
this weekend performing at the Tramway with dancers. But would her | :16:32. | :16:39. | |
career have flourished in today's education system? A recent study of | :16:39. | :16:41. | |
5,000 pupils by Strathclyde University found that not one with | :16:42. | :16:45. | |
a physical disability was being taught how to play a musical | :16:45. | :16:50. | |
instrument. Three at a four councils also charge for music | :16:50. | :16:53. | |
lessons and a report claims deprived children are missing out | :16:53. | :16:58. | |
on the chance to become the next Dame Evelyn Glennie. | :16:58. | :17:03. | |
I caught up with Dame Evelyn Glennie yesterday and she began by | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
explaining to me how vital her own education was to her musical | :17:06. | :17:11. | |
development. People just sang and played whatever instruments | :17:11. | :17:18. | |
happened to be in the House. We were not looking for the next X | :17:18. | :17:23. | |
Factor winner or something. Music was an extension to a family | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
environment. Families are very fragmented nowadays and it is hard | :17:27. | :17:35. | |
to get that seamless line between a family life and education. And it | :17:35. | :17:40. | |
really was the case where families knew what was going on in schools | :17:40. | :17:45. | |
and I really felt that, and the staff were able to feed the | :17:45. | :17:51. | |
information and in a way to almost be able to give a more bespoke | :17:51. | :17:57. | |
education for individuals. Now it is very hard to do that when you | :17:57. | :18:02. | |
have the mother here and the father there and goodness knows, the | :18:02. | :18:06. | |
fragmented structure. It is far more difficult to do that. So it is | :18:06. | :18:09. | |
a challenge for the current education system to provide the | :18:09. | :18:14. | |
kind of support that you had in a different environment? I think that | :18:14. | :18:17. | |
is true, coupled with the fact that we have just exploded with | :18:17. | :18:21. | |
technology and so on and although there is more communication that | :18:21. | :18:25. | |
happens, we can all communicate with each other far more quickly | :18:25. | :18:30. | |
and more easily than actually ever before, and in a way we are all | :18:30. | :18:33. | |
experiencing music more than we have ever done before, but | :18:33. | :18:37. | |
everything is in a much more isolated way. And in a way, there | :18:37. | :18:44. | |
is also this feeling of we expect something to happen. That has done | :18:44. | :18:49. | |
something to us. I feel we have lost the journey of being able to | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
achieve something. And I feel this is something that is affecting our | :18:53. | :18:59. | |
education system, the way that the teachers interact with pupils. It | :18:59. | :19:04. | |
is really listening and finding out what is it that makes that | :19:04. | :19:08. | |
individual tick. So you would say you got good support at school but | :19:08. | :19:14. | |
I suppose it is suffering now due to cuts. How important you think it | :19:14. | :19:18. | |
is to make sure that all children at are included when it comes to | :19:18. | :19:24. | |
the arts in school? It is vital. For me there is no debate on this. | :19:24. | :19:29. | |
It is absolutely crucial. The one thing about Alan academy, the | :19:29. | :19:33. | |
school are Renter as a secondary school, was that it was a former | :19:33. | :19:37. | |
integrated school. You had hearing impaired people, sight impaired | :19:37. | :19:42. | |
people, people with all sorts of challenges. And the motto, as it | :19:42. | :19:47. | |
were, are the headmaster, and all of the staff menders -- members, | :19:47. | :19:52. | |
was that every pupil belonged to every single department of that | :19:52. | :19:55. | |
school and I remember several youngsters being part of the | :19:55. | :20:00. | |
musical department, including me, and I was accepted like any other | :20:00. | :20:06. | |
child of a hat. And that psychologically was so important, | :20:06. | :20:12. | |
and we see this time and time again. If we take something like Japanese | :20:12. | :20:20. | |
music and we see the power of that, with, for example, adults who have | :20:20. | :20:24. | |
experienced brain damage or are the challenges in their lives, there is | :20:24. | :20:28. | |
no compromise musically. This is something that, for example, | :20:28. | :20:31. | |
Strathclyde University has really explored, and is happening up and | :20:31. | :20:35. | |
down the country. Do not leave it too late for something to happen. | :20:35. | :20:39. | |
We need to feed the youngsters immediately and I truly mean | :20:39. | :20:43. | |
immediately. But we also need to support the families as well, to | :20:43. | :20:47. | |
give the families that understanding of why music is so | :20:47. | :20:57. | |
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important and the participation is I would also like to talk about you | :21:03. | :21:10. | |
or involvement in the Olympics? wanted to depict the industrial | :21:10. | :21:15. | |
revolution. I was very happy an honour to be involved with this. | :21:15. | :21:19. | |
That was a terrific example of teamwork and by that I mean | :21:19. | :21:23. | |
teamwork from the whole technical crew working behind the scenes. But | :21:23. | :21:28. | |
also the fact that 99% of the people we saw perform off, and | :21:28. | :21:33. | |
certainly drumming in my part, where volunteers. People who had | :21:33. | :21:39. | |
never picked up a pair of drumsticks before. I cannot tell | :21:39. | :21:44. | |
you the impact that that has had on people. In a way we are seeing this | :21:44. | :21:49. | |
with the wonderful work that Gareth Malone is doing with the workplace | :21:49. | :21:53. | |
choirs and different environments. We are seeing the power of music in | :21:53. | :21:59. | |
that kind of way. What this country, the British Isles has done, is | :21:59. | :22:05. | |
really, we have got such richness and our culture, traditional | :22:05. | :22:12. | |
culture, music and dance and art and so on, we have been able to do | :22:12. | :22:17. | |
-- in the past to hold on to that. We have made it part of our lives | :22:17. | :22:21. | |
and we are losing that now because it has not been fed into our | :22:21. | :22:28. | |
schools if, and that has had a big name -- big impact. We are finding | :22:29. | :22:36. | |
foreign students coming into our music institutions. We do not have | :22:36. | :22:42. | |
enough home-grown talent. In terms of the Olympics, some people talked | :22:42. | :22:46. | |
about it bringing the United Kingdom together. Can I ask your | :22:46. | :22:52. | |
opinion on whether you are British a Scottish? What do you think as we | :22:52. | :22:56. | |
approach the referendum and a couple of years' time? I am very | :22:56. | :23:01. | |
proud to be British, very proud to be Scottish and very proud to be | :23:01. | :23:06. | |
European. I would like to hold on to the Britishness. If I think we | :23:06. | :23:11. | |
have a wonderful culture that we all share together, we really do. | :23:11. | :23:17. | |
As a musician, I am seeing that we are really sharing our wonderful | :23:17. | :23:22. | |
cultures, are Welsh culture, R Irish culture, English culture, | :23:22. | :23:27. | |
Scottish culture - bringing that in a musical way that is very special | :23:27. | :23:32. | |
that has influenced me and my profession. I do not want to lose | :23:32. | :23:36. | |
any of that. I do not want to lose the fact that I am a British person | :23:36. | :23:39. | |
and very proud of that. Dame Evelyn Glennie. | :23:39. | :23:44. | |
It is that time of the day when we take time to analyse the top | :23:45. | :23:52. | |
stories coming up. And this may I am joined by two | :23:52. | :23:56. | |
members of the newly farmed referendum committee at Holyrood. | :23:56. | :24:00. | |
The former Conservative leader, Annabel Goldie, and for the SNP, | :24:00. | :24:04. | |
Stuart Maxwell. Stewart Maxwell, Dame Evelyn | :24:04. | :24:09. | |
Glennie will not be voting for you. She lives in England, but it | :24:09. | :24:13. | |
appears she would not be voting yes what she said was that we should | :24:13. | :24:18. | |
hang on to what we have been called the Social Union, the cultural | :24:18. | :24:22. | |
aspects the unite the people of these isles. If I think there are | :24:22. | :24:27. | |
many things on the cultural side, including music, that we share, | :24:27. | :24:33. | |
that we carry on. What we're talking about here is whether we | :24:33. | :24:37. | |
carry on the political union. We can carry on the social aspects are | :24:37. | :24:41. | |
valued by the people of these islands, but in terms of political | :24:41. | :24:45. | |
decision-making, we should bring about an independent Scotland. | :24:45. | :24:51. | |
you will carry on to try and win her over? Annabel Goldie, what do | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
you think what Dame Evelyn Glennie said there. I thought it was a | :24:55. | :25:04. | |
refreshing reflection on a different part of culture. A | :25:04. | :25:10. | |
everything that is meaningful to her in her life, she sees is being | :25:10. | :25:14. | |
completed by being part of a United Kingdom structure. We're supposed | :25:14. | :25:20. | |
to be talking about what is coming up this week. It will involve | :25:20. | :25:28. | |
touching on what has happened on -- already. Alex Salmond caught out on | :25:28. | :25:33. | |
EU legal advice says the Independent on Scotland -- | :25:33. | :25:37. | |
Independent on Sunday. The paper is suggesting that there was some | :25:37. | :25:43. | |
legal advice. It was not a blank sheet of paper, that Alex Salmond | :25:43. | :25:48. | |
was told that negotiations would be required on EU membership. What is | :25:48. | :25:53. | |
the truth of this? There has been a lot of a calling this week and I | :25:54. | :25:59. | |
think that is unfortunate. It does not help anyone understand what are | :25:59. | :26:03. | |
complicated and important decisions they have to make. What the truth | :26:03. | :26:07. | |
is I think is clear - all Government publications and the | :26:07. | :26:11. | |
First Minister mention that in the interview that started this off, | :26:11. | :26:19. | |
they go through the local -- proper process. No specific legal advice | :26:19. | :26:24. | |
was sought on the very specific question of EU membership because | :26:24. | :26:28. | |
governments cannot publish that kind of information. The you except | :26:28. | :26:32. | |
that at the very least the impression was given for many | :26:32. | :26:36. | |
months that the Scottish Government had legal advice, not least up -- | :26:36. | :26:46. | |
because on this programme he said, yes, when he was asked? There is | :26:46. | :26:50. | |
another 27 words beyond that which was missed out. But the point was a | :26:51. | :26:54. | |
whole debate over this year has proceeded on the basis that there | :26:54. | :26:59. | |
was some legal advice. It turns out that Nicola Sturgeon all the needs | :26:59. | :27:03. | |
as a lord advocate for his position as she can tell us there is no | :27:03. | :27:07. | |
legal advice. Why did she not do that months ago? We had the | :27:07. | :27:12. | |
Edinburgh agreement in place. The point is that before you have the | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
process laid down, agreed by both governments, so we know precisely | :27:16. | :27:21. | |
what the process will be leading to independence, a legally binding | :27:21. | :27:25. | |
arrangement, then we can see the context into which the rest of the | :27:25. | :27:29. | |
UK an independent Scotland would then move forward, you cannot get | :27:29. | :27:36. | |
legal advice and that question. think his solution to the Edinburgh | :27:36. | :27:41. | |
agreement as a red herring. If it was that important why did the SNP | :27:41. | :27:48. | |
delay publishing their findings of the consultation? Alex Salmond | :27:48. | :27:52. | |
created an impression in the minds of the public they he had legal | :27:52. | :27:58. | |
advice about Scotland's status as an independent country in the EU. | :27:58. | :28:03. | |
He must have known that impression was helpful to has cause. What he | :28:03. | :28:09. | |
did not do was disabuse the public of all we now know what to be | :28:09. | :28:13. | |
erroneous perception of that there was a vice. He affirmed the | :28:13. | :28:22. | |
perception there was advice with this decision to go to the quarter | :28:22. | :28:32. | |
:28:32. | :28:34. | ||
of --... Court of Session. M must have been the most expensive fake | :28:34. | :28:40. | |
Levi in history. The Ministerial Code is clear - you can never | :28:40. | :28:44. | |
confirm or deny the existence of legal advice. All governments of | :28:44. | :28:52. | |
all colours have done exactly the same thing. The Edinburgh agreement | :28:52. | :28:56. | |
was in place and that was a point at which you could seek the | :28:56. | :29:01. | |
specific legal advice. She then we asked the officers were there are | :29:01. | :29:09. | |
none of she had come as an -- or not whether she had permission to | :29:09. | :29:13. | |
publish that information. With respect, that is rubbish. The | :29:13. | :29:18. | |
Edinburgh agreement is nothing more than a stage and a process. From | :29:18. | :29:21. | |
May of last year we knew we would have a referendum. If your | :29:21. | :29:26. | |
Government was in a position to make that call. The timing was | :29:26. | :29:29. | |
somewhat in that what we knew we were going to have it. Now whatever | :29:29. | :29:33. | |
happens in between on the discussions of having the vote is a | :29:33. | :29:36. | |
matter of profound interest to their Scottish people, including | :29:36. | :29:42. | |
issues on something as important as membership of a EU, have you got | :29:42. | :29:50. | |
legal advice on? If let's speak on Trident. Annabel Goldie, should in | :29:50. | :29:53. | |
the UK Government set down with the Scottish Government and thrash out | :29:53. | :30:00. | |
how they would cope of Scotland where independent? I think if you | :30:00. | :30:03. | |
are going to select that aspect then you would have to suggest that | :30:03. | :30:10. | |
the UK Government should expected to set down and thrash out every | :30:10. | :30:13. | |
consequence on a lot of independence will stop shouldn't | :30:13. | :30:19. | |
it? I don't agree with that. There is no room for complacency but I | :30:19. | :30:25. | |
don't think there was support for independence. Let the Scottish | :30:25. | :30:30. | |
people have their say and once they have had their say respond to that. | :30:30. | :30:35. | |
Stewart Maxwell, the problem is that people do not know what it | :30:35. | :30:40. | |
will look like, an independent Scotland off in terms of Trident? | :30:40. | :30:45. | |
The SNP and Government have been clear on our position of nuclear | :30:45. | :30:49. | |
weapons. That is crystal-clear. The Scottish Government has made it | :30:49. | :30:54. | |
clear if there next year we will have a white paper which will | :30:54. | :30:58. | |
publish all of the detail laying out the prospect is that we will | :30:58. | :31:04. | |
fall to. Giving the detail on many of these questions a year in | :31:04. | :31:07. | |
advance of the votes. That is the time when many of the questions | :31:07. | :31:13. | |
will be answered. I think it is important we now move on to the | :31:13. | :31:18. | |
proper debate about the substance of these issues and raise their | :31:18. | :31:25. | |
game of opposition politicians on the name-calling and Spears. | :31:25. | :31:32. | |
sentence will stop the SNP leadership as the SNP membership to | :31:32. | :31:38. |