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Good morning. We'll come to Sunday politics. The worst hostage crisis | :00:40. | :00:45. | |
in British history has ended with terrible loss of life in Algeria. | :00:45. | :00:49. | |
What happens now it as the desert wastes of North Africa become the | :00:50. | :00:55. | |
new front against terrorism. David Cameron's big speech on | :00:56. | :01:03. | |
Europe is delayed but it will be this week. Shadow Foreign Secretary | :01:03. | :01:09. | |
Douglas Alexander joins us close-up the Tories prepare to take on the | :01:09. | :01:12. | |
teachers in a row over performance- related pay. | :01:12. | :01:15. | |
We will it improve standards in schools? And on Sunday Politics | :01:15. | :01:18. | |
Scotland, more on the UK's relationship with Europe and what | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
it could mean for Scotland. We'll hear from the leader of UKIP, | :01:21. | :01:31. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2113 seconds | :01:31. | :36:44. | |
Nigel Farage, and the SNP MEP Alyn Headteachers are professional | :36:44. | :36:49. | |
people who know how to conduct appraisals of up we will be able to | :36:49. | :36:54. | |
look at the overall effect. Does that mean you'll have to be nice to | :36:54. | :37:00. | |
the head teacher? OFSTED will look at how they conduct their | :37:00. | :37:09. | |
appraisals. The head teacher will be appraised by the governing body. | :37:09. | :37:12. | |
The head teachers seem to what this move, at the what this discretion | :37:12. | :37:18. | |
and think it will be better for teachers? Will be academies | :37:18. | :37:25. | |
arrangement, it has been possible for those schools to opt out. They | :37:25. | :37:34. | |
have not chosen to do it. Why not? They have it in the academies so | :37:34. | :37:39. | |
why are they not doing it? Most academies sign up to the document | :37:39. | :37:43. | |
and that document will be revised for September. What the Government | :37:43. | :37:48. | |
is trying to do is change the culture in our schools so that we | :37:48. | :37:52. | |
can raise the status of the teaching profession and reward the | :37:52. | :37:56. | |
best teachers. That is what happens to professionals outside of | :37:56. | :38:01. | |
teaching. Given that there is not much money in the Budget, does it | :38:01. | :38:06. | |
not follow that funds are limited so if you pay one person more, you | :38:06. | :38:16. | |
have to freeze me or pay me less? Head teachers have to marshal their | :38:16. | :38:20. | |
budgets very closely and they have to have the flexibility to reward | :38:20. | :38:24. | |
the best teachers with the best pay rises. That is he you raise | :38:24. | :38:31. | |
standards. You exist on national pay bargaining. This would be the | :38:31. | :38:36. | |
end of the national pay bargaining? What we have had is a review system | :38:36. | :38:40. | |
for quite a long time and I can assure you there is the lot a | :38:40. | :38:45. | |
bargaining at other levels. The National Union of Teachers are | :38:45. | :38:49. | |
concerned about a lot of things - the curriculum and the state of | :38:49. | :38:53. | |
education... Do you feel strongly enough about this to take | :38:53. | :38:58. | |
industrial action? What we want to do is make the case for saying that | :38:58. | :39:02. | |
one of the difficulties if you break up the system is that every | :39:02. | :39:07. | |
single school will have to pay -- have their own pay arrangements. | :39:07. | :39:16. | |
That means they could take it their eye off the importance aspects. | :39:16. | :39:20. | |
is about using the appraisal system to identify what training is needed | :39:20. | :39:26. | |
to nurture teachers. Teachers are brought on Andy extra flexibility | :39:26. | :39:36. | |
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they have could lead to more Good morning and welcome to Sunday | :39:39. | :39:44. | |
Politics Scotland. Coming up on the programme today. David Cameron will | :39:44. | :39:50. | |
now make his much trailed Europe Speech this week. So in theory, if | :39:50. | :39:52. | |
there's a Yes vote in the independence referendum, 2015 could | :39:52. | :39:54. | |
see a Scottish government negotiating to hug Brussels closer, | :39:55. | :39:57. | |
whilst a Westminster government could manoeuvre to pull in the | :39:57. | :40:06. | |
opposite direction. We'll be talking live to the UKIP Leader | :40:06. | :40:12. | |
Nigel Farage and the SNP MEP Alyn Smith. | :40:12. | :40:15. | |
It's been 20 years since the Czech and Slovak republics separated in | :40:15. | :40:19. | |
the velvet divorce. As time moves on, we ask if there are any big | :40:19. | :40:25. | |
lessons to be learned from how they negotiated their parting? | :40:25. | :40:29. | |
And as MSPs look at ways to further reduce teen pregnancy, we ask: why | :40:29. | :40:39. | |
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it is so high in the country's It was the speech that never was. | :40:40. | :40:43. | |
But David Cameron still plans to set out his vision for the UK's | :40:43. | :40:48. | |
future in Europe this week. With plenty of red meat to satisfy Tory | :40:48. | :40:54. | |
Eurosceptics. There are two inter- twined strands to this debate, of | :40:54. | :40:58. | |
course, as we in Scotland debate independence in Europe. Raymond | :40:58. | :41:01. | |
Buchanan examines how Edinburgh and London view Brussels in their very | :41:01. | :41:11. | |
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different ways. Will come to European politics. The | :41:12. | :41:18. | |
latest EU deal struck last Friday was a bit fish. It's a subject that | :41:18. | :41:23. | |
unites the SNP and the Scottish Conservatives. Both parties what | :41:23. | :41:26. | |
the way in which European deals like this are but radically changes | :41:26. | :41:32. | |
but on other issues they are not so united, not least in how close a | :41:32. | :41:37. | |
relationship Scotland and Britain should have led the EU. David | :41:37. | :41:40. | |
Cameron's cancelled speech was to argue for a new European deal | :41:40. | :41:46. | |
warning the institutions were increasingly isolating those they | :41:46. | :41:51. | |
were supposed to serve. The SNP's policy on Europe is becoming more | :41:51. | :41:59. | |
pragmatic. In terms of returning to the original narratives, we want | :41:59. | :42:04. | |
independence in Europe. This is very clear and quite distinct from | :42:04. | :42:10. | |
Westminster politics. It is very likely the SNP will decide this | :42:10. | :42:15. | |
could be one of their strong cards in the end and we shall see how | :42:15. | :42:21. | |
Europe plays into the debate. this week, the Deputy First | :42:21. | :42:25. | |
Minister Nicola Sturgeon will give a speech in Dublin outlining the | :42:25. | :42:29. | |
SNP's vision for an independent Scotland at the heart of Europe. | :42:29. | :42:34. | |
She will contrast the certainty of her party's commitment to the EU | :42:34. | :42:39. | |
with David Cameron's questioning of it. Which of these is closest to | :42:39. | :42:44. | |
the Scottish people? Evidence of Scottish attitudes has been a | :42:44. | :42:50. | |
little bit more pro EU than the UK as a whole but we have to presume | :42:50. | :43:00. | |
that Scotland is also predominantly in the eurosceptic mood. This may | :43:00. | :43:05. | |
question the SNP's strategy of being pro-European, not shared by | :43:05. | :43:15. | |
all nationalists. It is very ironic because the yes campaign is not | :43:15. | :43:21. | |
eurosceptic in itself. The official campaign echoes what the boss says | :43:21. | :43:25. | |
and if Alex Salmond says we are going to be in Europe, you'd better | :43:25. | :43:30. | |
like it! David Cameron is facing criticism from his own side not | :43:30. | :43:35. | |
least from former Deputy Prime Minister Michael Heseltine. He said | :43:35. | :43:40. | |
the strategy was ill-advised and potentially damaging to business. | :43:40. | :43:47. | |
European politics has often been messy but this week's fish stocks | :43:47. | :43:51. | |
shows a deal is often done. The question is what kind of | :43:51. | :43:54. | |
relationship Scotland and Britain what with the their neighbours. I'm | :43:54. | :43:57. | |
now joined from London by the leader of the UK Independence Party, | :43:57. | :44:00. | |
Nigel Farage, and from our Edinburgh studio by Alyn Smith, the | :44:00. | :44:06. | |
SNP MEP. Good morning to you both. First of | :44:06. | :44:13. | |
all, are you hoping to capitalise on David Cameron's European moves | :44:14. | :44:19. | |
here in Scotland? The whole Scottish debate has been very odd | :44:19. | :44:23. | |
because of this whole campaign the SNP have led for independence - you | :44:24. | :44:28. | |
cannot be independent if you also want to be part of the European | :44:28. | :44:34. | |
Union. The entire Scottish debates really is being redefined in the | :44:34. | :44:39. | |
radical way and I never thought I would say this but thank you, up | :44:40. | :44:45. | |
Jose Manuel Barroso, for making it absolutely clear that if Scotland | :44:45. | :44:48. | |
it believes the United Kingdom, she would have to sign a new treaty | :44:48. | :44:53. | |
that would commit her to signing up to the European currency. That has | :44:53. | :44:55. | |
made a bigger difference in the Scottish debate than anything that | :44:55. | :45:02. | |
has happened before it. Turning to the SNP, you're party attacks | :45:02. | :45:07. | |
eurosceptics. Perhaps in Scotland we few things a little differently. | :45:07. | :45:12. | |
You would only get about 3% of the vote here in Scotland. The reason | :45:12. | :45:18. | |
we have done poorly in Scotland is because the word, independence, | :45:18. | :45:22. | |
means something different in Scottish politics that has never | :45:22. | :45:27. | |
really been properly examined. Up people can see bracingly that what | :45:27. | :45:32. | |
is offered from Scotland is not independence but in fact at a | :45:32. | :45:35. | |
deeper dependency and the total loss of democracy to European | :45:35. | :45:41. | |
institutions. Recent opinion polls back this up. We are now in a | :45:41. | :45:47. | |
position where UKIP can make advance is in Scotland. They are | :45:47. | :45:52. | |
very clear statement there. You are hoping to capitalise on David | :45:52. | :45:57. | |
Cameron's moves but it seems you might be slightly expose their. | :45:57. | :46:02. | |
What does independence really mean? Coming in the taxi here this | :46:02. | :46:06. | |
morning I made a decision to be nice to Nigel and praise some of | :46:06. | :46:12. | |
the advances may have made an their concessions to wait disgruntled | :46:12. | :46:17. | |
Middle England. That is a clear statement but that is completely | :46:17. | :46:22. | |
fictitious. Jose Mau Mau of are also absolutely did not say there | :46:22. | :46:26. | |
would be a new treaty. He said if the state leaves that does not | :46:26. | :46:35. | |
negotiate that is a poor country. - - Jose Manuel Barroso. We have | :46:35. | :46:41. | |
allowed in Scotland for 30 years Scotland's interests to be decided | :46:41. | :46:45. | |
and represented by successive UK ministers who have neither shared | :46:45. | :46:49. | |
our beliefs nor articulated them well. It is no surprise we have not | :46:49. | :46:54. | |
done as well as we could have done by a representing ourselves. The | :46:54. | :46:59. | |
idea that Ireland caused much Denmark, Sweden, Finland are not | :46:59. | :47:05. | |
independent is absurd. I am glad to see EU kept getting asked some | :47:05. | :47:10. | |
difficult questions because they can pull together saw the empty -- | :47:10. | :47:15. | |
sovereignty. In order to do that, we need to be at the table doing | :47:15. | :47:25. | |
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some heavy lifting not posturing We are hearing it from the Deputy | :47:27. | :47:34. | |
First Minister that a UK pulls out of Europe it will have a chilling | :47:34. | :47:38. | |
effect. Better to be at the heart of it rather than on the sidelines, | :47:38. | :47:46. | |
as Alyn Smith put at. What would happen to common | :47:46. | :47:50. | |
fisheries is we would be like nor way. The management of those waters | :47:51. | :47:56. | |
would purely be the responsibility of elected Scottish officials. Tens | :47:56. | :48:02. | |
of thousands more jobs in at the Scottish fishing industry alone. I | :48:02. | :48:05. | |
do not buy the scare stories that if we are not part of the European | :48:05. | :48:10. | |
Union cannot go on doing business with them. Mercedes and Volkswagen | :48:10. | :48:14. | |
will want to keep selling of their cars in their United Kingdom | :48:15. | :48:20. | |
regardless of whether we are part of a political union or not. At the | :48:20. | :48:25. | |
heart of this is that you cannot be independent if 75% of your laws are | :48:25. | :48:30. | |
made by foreign institutions. Scotland would frankly be so small | :48:30. | :48:40. | |
it would be irrelevant. I want to pick up on that. You want | :48:40. | :48:44. | |
the Common Fisheries Policy and renegotiated. You are not happy | :48:44. | :48:48. | |
with the Common Agricultural Policy. You voted against with Labour. If | :48:48. | :48:54. | |
you are not as pro-European as you portray yourself. | :48:54. | :49:00. | |
With respect of the whole debate is wrong. It tries to drill things | :49:00. | :49:06. | |
down to black and white. The only question for the SNP is, what is in | :49:06. | :49:11. | |
the best interests of Scotland? That doesn't mean we think | :49:11. | :49:15. | |
everything in the European Union as super. There is lots of reform I | :49:15. | :49:24. | |
would happily see. Ruinous journeys to Strasbourg every month and good. | :49:24. | :49:29. | |
Lots of things need to be changed. But Nigel has made a point | :49:29. | :49:34. | |
repeatedly, unchallenged. I specifically sought membership of | :49:34. | :49:39. | |
the Switzerland - and more weight delegation of the parliament. We go | :49:39. | :49:44. | |
to them every six months. The Norwegians have just concluded a 20 | :49:44. | :49:49. | |
you study about the functioning of the agreement. They concluded that | :49:49. | :49:54. | |
they are more integrated into law than the UK as by virtue of the | :49:54. | :50:00. | |
fact they are fully signed-up to be showing an accords, whereas they -- | :50:00. | :50:10. | |
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we are not. -- Schengen. Nigel is a world-class snake-oil salesman but | :50:13. | :50:19. | |
the people of Scotland are not buying it. | :50:19. | :50:23. | |
Lots of people in Scotland are saying that they SNP are not being | :50:23. | :50:32. | |
clear about what might happen with the currency and the poor controls. | :50:33. | :50:41. | |
-- border. We are being clear, if you take the | :50:41. | :50:49. | |
time to read what we are saying. What is a very clear is that the | :50:49. | :50:54. | |
European Union will not want to lose us. We do not want to leave. | :50:54. | :51:00. | |
We can be part of a coalition for change. The reason that Prime | :51:00. | :51:03. | |
Minister Cameron went to the Netherlands is because they are | :51:03. | :51:09. | |
currently reviewing their European Union arrangements. As is the case | :51:09. | :51:15. | |
in Finland. Other ways of doing this are possible. | :51:15. | :51:23. | |
I want to pick up. About border controls. You mentioned a possible | :51:23. | :51:28. | |
influx of Romanians and Bulgarians in at 2015. Do you appreciate that | :51:28. | :51:33. | |
the attitude in Scotland is a slightly different? | :51:33. | :51:41. | |
Yes, they have not had a massive migration that parts of England has. | :51:41. | :51:46. | |
My attitude towards foreign workers is that if they are skilled, great. | :51:46. | :51:50. | |
But we should not discriminate in favour of people from Europe and | :51:51. | :51:57. | |
the caressed the rest of the world. -- against. The anger in England, | :51:58. | :52:03. | |
which will spread to Scotland, is that next year we are letting in | :52:03. | :52:08. | |
two incredibly poor countries. Does people will be entitled to come not | :52:09. | :52:14. | |
just to work but to gain access to benefits immediately. This will | :52:14. | :52:24. | |
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become an issue in British politics. What is the SNP policy? | :52:24. | :52:28. | |
I get uncomfortable hearing an Englishman talk about migration. It | :52:29. | :52:33. | |
jars with my world-view. The people of Scotland are best placed to | :52:33. | :52:38. | |
decide who lives here and watch our arrangement with the rest of Europe | :52:38. | :52:43. | |
should be. Freedom of movement is a crucial part of the European the | :52:43. | :52:47. | |
raison d'etre. To improve the fortunes of Romania and Bulgaria is | :52:48. | :52:51. | |
to trade with them and a single market and bring up living | :52:51. | :52:56. | |
standards towards European averages. Immigration is a different subject | :52:56. | :53:02. | |
in Scotland. Nigel, you want Scotland that they | :53:02. | :53:08. | |
cannot expect a blank cheque in the event of independence. | :53:08. | :53:13. | |
The fact is that the European Union imperialists are bringing in poorer | :53:13. | :53:19. | |
and poorer countries. The even want Turkey to join. There is unanimity | :53:19. | :53:25. | |
on that. You will become a net pay her into a system where you will | :53:25. | :53:31. | |
not be allowed to catch your own cash in your own waters. Frankly, | :53:31. | :53:35. | |
the European Union is good for professional career politicians but | :53:35. | :53:43. | |
not for ordinary people. A quick work? | :53:43. | :53:49. | |
I am not sure I am gay career professional politician. -- I am | :53:49. | :53:54. | |
not sure that I am a career politician. We have the ability to | :53:54. | :53:58. | |
work with our friends and colleagues to achieve better things | :53:58. | :54:01. | |
than the otherwise would. There is nothing wrong with membership that | :54:01. | :54:08. | |
would be put right by independence and speaking for ourselves. -- that | :54:08. | :54:17. | |
won't be put right. The Czech and Slovak republics | :54:17. | :54:23. | |
glided apart 20 years ago. For many it is an interesting comparison for | :54:23. | :54:29. | |
Scottish independence, if we reach that stage. We travelled east to | :54:29. | :54:39. | |
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find out more. Pride is a city of a romance and a revolution. -- -- | :54:42. | :54:52. | |
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Prague. Protests here caused Czech communism to melt away. The country | :54:55. | :55:02. | |
split in two. Slovakia celebrated independence at the time. 20 years | :55:02. | :55:06. | |
later, in the capital, Bratislava, the Government say that statehood | :55:06. | :55:12. | |
has paid off. People said it was not the best | :55:12. | :55:16. | |
idea but right now we are doing very well, the Czech Republic are | :55:16. | :55:22. | |
doing very well and our friendship is better than ever. | :55:22. | :55:27. | |
Things were more sombre in the Czech Republic. Two decades later, | :55:27. | :55:37. | |
a mixed assessment is offered. Being a prime minister, it has some | :55:37. | :55:41. | |
advantages, but the international weight of both republics together | :55:41. | :55:49. | |
his lesser in -- in the former -- lesser than the former | :55:49. | :55:55. | |
Czechoslovakia. The history of post-communist | :55:55. | :56:00. | |
central Europe is dramatically different from the United Kingdom. | :56:00. | :56:04. | |
But both sides over the debate in Scottish independence attempted to | :56:04. | :56:12. | |
draw lessons from the so called a velvet divorce. The Sunday politics | :56:12. | :56:16. | |
has learned that Alex Salmond met the Czech Republic President at the | :56:16. | :56:21. | |
Olympics and John Swinney held informal talks with his counterpart | :56:21. | :56:31. | |
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in crack. We do not know what was discussed. -- in Prague. | :56:35. | :56:42. | |
Emotions run high. Things happen which you do not foresee in advance. | :56:42. | :56:49. | |
I would say, be careful, go step by step. | :56:49. | :56:53. | |
In Czechoslovakia the step that they must was to consult the people | :56:53. | :56:58. | |
in a referendum. That is one aspect of the history here that will not | :56:58. | :57:05. | |
be repeated in Scotland. With me now is professor James | :57:05. | :57:10. | |
Mitchell, the head of the school of Government and Public Policy at | :57:10. | :57:19. | |
Strathclyde University. It is an important decision. How easy is it | :57:19. | :57:28. | |
to make this a Scottish comparison? There are certain things in the | :57:28. | :57:33. | |
Czechoslovak in situation which are relevant to our situation, but much | :57:33. | :57:41. | |
that is irrelevant. Clearly, Czechoslovakia was a very different | :57:41. | :57:46. | |
state. It was part of the Soviet system. That meant a different | :57:46. | :57:51. | |
economy to the type that we have in the United Kingdom and Scotland. In | :57:51. | :57:56. | |
that respect, given that economics is terribly important, it was | :57:56. | :58:00. | |
different. But on the other hand they had to feel their way. There | :58:00. | :58:10. | |
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are no clear rules and regulations, it is about negotiation. | :58:11. | :58:17. | |
95% of negotiations taking place before Independence Day. | :58:17. | :58:23. | |
Yes. People ask, be negotiate before, or or only after everything | :58:23. | :58:31. | |
is complete? And there was still the glossy sheen so many years | :58:31. | :58:37. | |
after the symbolic independence. -- still negotiations. But I suspect | :58:37. | :58:41. | |
that a symbolic date would be agreed in the case of Scott and yet | :58:41. | :58:46. | |
there would still be much to be discussed. -- in the case of | :58:46. | :58:51. | |
Scotland. But this was a very grown-up way of | :58:51. | :58:57. | |
doing things. Yes, that is why they call it the | :58:57. | :59:03. | |
velvet divorce. At the moment there are all sorts of suggestions that | :59:03. | :59:06. | |
the UK Government would not be willing to operate in negotiations | :59:07. | :59:14. | |
but we can forget all that, it is just part of the campaign. If | :59:14. | :59:16. | |
independence was to be voted for, clearly it would be in the | :59:16. | :59:20. | |
interests of England to negotiate, because it needs to a good | :59:20. | :59:27. | |
neighbour. So there would be rational behaviour. | :59:27. | :59:32. | |
And political parties were packing up the similarities. The SNP said | :59:32. | :59:36. | |
that the Czechs and Slovaks are doing very well economic life. | :59:36. | :59:43. | |
Others said that exports went down. Both sides are keen to find the | :59:44. | :59:48. | |
similarities. Yes, they will pick and choose that | :59:48. | :59:53. | |
and anything else that suits their argument. But clearly it was far | :59:53. | :59:58. | |
less disruptive and took far less time. But over time what is | :59:58. | :00:01. | |
interesting is not that both countries have succeeded but are | :00:01. | :00:06. | |
coming back together and discussing things. At the end of last year | :00:06. | :00:10. | |
there was a joint cabinet meeting they between the two countries. So | :00:10. | :00:15. | |
it is conceivable you can vote for independence yet start to work | :00:15. | :00:21. | |
together closely again. They did not have a referendum. There are | :00:21. | :00:27. | |
perhaps still some regrets about that nowadays. | :00:28. | :00:33. | |
Yes, the evidence is that most people would not have voted for it | :00:33. | :00:39. | |
back then. But that today they are satisfied and there is a sense that | :00:39. | :00:45. | |
it has succeeded. I suspect that if it was put to referendum today, the | :00:45. | :00:52. | |
status quo would be accepted. What will be the SNP policy of | :00:52. | :00:57. | |
negotiating their way back into Europe? | :00:57. | :01:01. | |
Their position is probably a mistake I think. They adopted a | :01:01. | :01:05. | |
position insisting that Scotland would automatically have membership | :01:05. | :01:11. | |
of the E u. I can understand why. They want to the issue of people it | :01:11. | :01:17. | |
will not be disruptive. But I think it might be in the best interests | :01:17. | :01:20. | |
of Scotland to find themselves outside the European Union and then | :01:20. | :01:26. | |
they go seat to join. What we know is that once you become a member, | :01:26. | :01:31. | |
your position is weakened. You may go seating position. We can see | :01:31. | :01:36. | |
this with David Cameron, we conceded back in the 1970s, we have | :01:36. | :01:41. | |
accepted treaties, and now he is saying, we don't like this. That is | :01:41. | :01:47. | |
very difficult. The strongest position to be and as to be outside | :01:47. | :01:57. | |
at the outset, negotiating and. We have lots of bargaining chips. | :01:57. | :02:06. | |
What is the tenor of the debate? It is fairly acrimonious. I think | :02:06. | :02:10. | |
there is a lot more when you wants to the debate that we need to bring | :02:10. | :02:16. | |
out. -- nuance. We have claims and counter-claims and all sides need | :02:16. | :02:23. | |
to move towards more nuance and acceptance. Some of the claims and | :02:23. | :02:33. | |
counter-claims are absorbed. It could be very complex. | :02:33. | :02:37. | |
It will be complex. We're discussing British and Scottish | :02:37. | :02:45. | |
membership if they European Union. But I think it is better to talk in | :02:45. | :02:49. | |
terms of relationships. How do we relate to London government? How do | :02:49. | :02:58. | |
we relate to Brussels? Thank you for joining us. We are | :02:58. | :03:08. | |
:03:08. | :03:12. | ||
The Prime Minister says that three British nationals that none to been | :03:12. | :03:17. | |
killed in the Algerian hostage crisis. Algeria says that its | :03:17. | :03:21. | |
special forces ended the stand-off yesterday because Islamist | :03:21. | :03:25. | |
militants were planning to blow up the site. | :03:25. | :03:31. | |
The four bases she is finally over. These pictures are believed to show | :03:31. | :03:41. | |
:03:41. | :03:42. | ||
one of the first attempt Spike Algerian forces to end it. These | :03:42. | :03:47. | |
are glimpses of the ordeal suffered by the hostages. The pictures show | :03:47. | :03:53. | |
hostages surrendering before the kidnappers. The responsibility for | :03:53. | :03:58. | |
these deaths lies squarely with the terrorists. I would also say that | :03:58. | :04:02. | |
when you're dealing with a terrorist incident on this scale, | :04:02. | :04:08. | |
it is extremely difficult to respond and to get this right in | :04:08. | :04:16. | |
every respect. The crisis began early on Saturday morning. On | :04:16. | :04:21. | |
Thursday, an initial assault by Algerian forces killed militants | :04:21. | :04:27. | |
and captives of will other hostages managed to escape. With 11 gunmen | :04:27. | :04:33. | |
still holed up, the Algerian army stormed the complex again. The | :04:33. | :04:39. | |
special British consulate team has been sent to the rear to help the | :04:39. | :04:45. | |
survivors and repay create the dead. These pictures shown an Algerian | :04:45. | :04:50. | |
television are said to be part of the Arsenal used by militants and | :04:50. | :04:55. | |
Mrs apparently what one freed hostage sock. Another indication of | :04:55. | :05:03. | |
the horrors of the past few days. Tributes have been paid to four | :05:03. | :05:07. | |
climbers cut by an avalanche in the Scottish Highlands. ACE service was | :05:07. | :05:16. | |
held in their memory any church in Glencore. | :05:16. | :05:19. | |
Around 260 flights are to be cancelled at Heathrow and several | :05:19. | :05:23. | |
Eurostar trains between London, Brussels and Paris are also | :05:23. | :05:27. | |
cancelled. Ice and freezing temperatures are expected along | :05:27. | :05:37. | |
:05:37. | :05:39. | ||
with a more snow for next week. It has been snowing heavily on | :05:39. | :05:42. | |
Cambridgeshire for the past hour. Snow and ice are causing problems | :05:43. | :05:47. | |
on and gritted roads and we're expecting significant snowfall here | :05:47. | :05:52. | |
as well as in the south-east, eastern parts, the North Midlands | :05:52. | :05:58. | |
and possibly north-east Wales. The advice for motorists is to check | :05:58. | :06:04. | |
forecasts before travelling and be aware of ACE conditions. You are | :06:04. | :06:07. | |
also advised to check you're transport services are running | :06:07. | :06:13. | |
before leave him home. That's all for now. More news on | :06:13. | :06:18. | |
BBC One at 6 o'clock. Good afternoon. Prayers were said | :06:19. | :06:21. | |
this morning for four climbers who were killed in an avalanche in | :06:21. | :06:27. | |
Glencoe yesterday. A man and a woman survived. The woman suffered | :06:27. | :06:31. | |
serious head injuries and is being treated in hospital in Fort William. | :06:31. | :06:40. | |
From Glencoe, here's our reporter Laura Bicker. | :06:40. | :06:44. | |
This is the south face where the six climbers were making their way | :06:44. | :06:49. | |
down when an avalanche struck. One of them is still seriously ill in | :06:49. | :06:56. | |
hospital, but sadly the bodies of four climbers were recovered by | :06:56. | :07:01. | |
medical rescue teams yesterday. Prayers are being said this | :07:01. | :07:05. | |
lunchtime in the local church for them and their families. It is | :07:05. | :07:09. | |
thought at this stage that a slab of snow simply went from underneath | :07:09. | :07:14. | |
the climbers and we got to know more about what happened and why | :07:14. | :07:17. | |
from the police this afternoon. It's unclear how many people with | :07:17. | :07:19. | |
Scottish connections are among those still missing or unaccounted | :07:19. | :07:22. | |
for after the Algerian hostage crisis. Prime Minister David | :07:22. | :07:24. | |
Cameron this morning confirmed that three British nationals are known | :07:24. | :07:28. | |
to have been killed in the incident. Three more are feared to have died, | :07:28. | :07:31. | |
and a UK resident has also been killed. Scottish families are | :07:31. | :07:41. | |
:07:41. | :07:41. | ||
waiting to hear news of loved ones. My only real concern at the moment | :07:41. | :07:44. | |
is there are still families watching this programme desperately | :07:44. | :07:49. | |
waiting for news and the need to note that the British government's | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
officials are working hard to make sure that any information is the | :07:53. | :07:56. | |
lot of them as quickly as possible. A registration scheme for landlords | :07:56. | :07:59. | |
has resulted in 100 applicants being turned down over the past | :07:59. | :08:01. | |
five years, according to figures obtained by the Scottish | :08:01. | :08:03. | |
Conservatives. Landlords have contributed �11 million in fees, | :08:03. | :08:06. | |
while the Scottish Government paid more than �5 million of the start | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
up costs. Ministers say the scheme was designed to provide reassurance | :08:09. | :08:13. | |
to tenants rather than generate criminal prosecutions. | :08:13. | :08:17. | |
Onto the weather now. It will be another cold day, with widespread | :08:17. | :08:19. | |
another cold day, with widespread frosty conditions. Rather cloudy in | :08:19. | :08:21. | |
the east with further wintry showers. Drier and brighter in the | :08:21. | :08:25. | |
west and north with sunny spells, but the odd snow flurry here too. | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
It will be very cold this evening with some clear spells, but these | :08:28. | :08:31. | |
will be mostly in the northwest with eastern parts staying mostly | :08:31. | :08:41. | |
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That's all for now, I'll hand you back to Andrew. | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
We heard about Glencore in the news. We can cross now to Aberdeen where | :08:48. | :08:55. | |
the First Minister joins us. First of all, your reaction to the | :08:55. | :09:04. | |
tragic news? It is an appalling and tragic day. Four people lost their | :09:04. | :09:09. | |
lives and a lady is being treated in hospital. She has been | :09:09. | :09:12. | |
transferred to the Southern General and hospital where she is | :09:12. | :09:17. | |
critically ill. It is the very serious is the that in tragic | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
circumstances. Our thoughts go out to the relatives who have lost | :09:22. | :09:28. | |
their lives. It is the time of year when incidents occur. Are we doing | :09:28. | :09:33. | |
enough to warn people about what can happen? The Scottish mountains | :09:33. | :09:39. | |
are breathtakingly beautiful but clearly a very dangerous place. | :09:39. | :09:45. | |
That is known and understood. We have made huge advances and | :09:45. | :09:49. | |
climbers and made in years are by and large much better prepared and | :09:49. | :09:54. | |
warned and equipped than before, but none the less, the Scottish | :09:54. | :10:02. | |
mountains in January it are not, and it was not the most difficult | :10:02. | :10:08. | |
conditions yesterday, but they are inherently dangerous places. Not | :10:08. | :10:12. | |
all fatalities on Scottish mountains are accidents are | :10:12. | :10:20. | |
incidents but none the less they are a dangerous place. It is the | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
sport and the recreation that gives untold pleasure to tens of | :10:23. | :10:28. | |
thousands of people, and the general story is that despite the | :10:28. | :10:31. | |
fact there are many more people going out walking in the Scottish | :10:31. | :10:35. | |
hills, because people were better prepared and more aware, the | :10:35. | :10:41. | |
general trend of accidents has been downwards over the last 20 years. | :10:41. | :10:47. | |
Every fatality is the tragedy and a very incident is deeply regret it. | :10:47. | :10:52. | |
If we turn our attention now to another tragic incident in Algeria. | :10:52. | :10:58. | |
Just to get some clarity. We heard that a number of Scottish residents | :10:58. | :11:04. | |
were held hostage and are now safe and well. Last night, the Scottish | :11:04. | :11:08. | |
government expressed concerns that Scots or people with Scottish | :11:08. | :11:12. | |
connections are believed to be among the dead or missing. D you | :11:12. | :11:18. | |
have any updates? The position is that two Scots, not necessarily a | :11:18. | :11:27. | |
resident but never the less Gotts, are believed to have been killed. - | :11:27. | :11:34. | |
- Scots. Police are now just onside in Algeria or an formal | :11:34. | :11:38. | |
identification has not been made but families were informed of the | :11:38. | :11:43. | |
maximum amount of information yesterday. Two Scottish family's | :11:43. | :11:46. | |
have been informed that their loved ones are believed to have been | :11:46. | :11:52. | |
killed. It Scots have returned from Algeria or under either with their | :11:52. | :12:00. | |
families or en route. If they're not with their families already, | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
the very soon will be. Eight families will be celebrating the | :12:04. | :12:07. | |
return of their loved ones but two Scots are believed to have been | :12:07. | :12:13. | |
killed. It is the developing situation and has been called the | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
new front in the war against terror. Would you be happy with the UK | :12:18. | :12:26. | |
tried to take part and helped with that? Obviously there has to be a | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
priority in this area that perhaps in the recent past has not been | :12:29. | :12:36. | |
given. The North African desk was recently demoted and the Foreign | :12:36. | :12:40. | |
Office but there is a realisation that Mrs Annie area we should be | :12:40. | :12:45. | |
given much more priority. In terms of assistance and and terms of the | :12:45. | :12:53. | |
safety of UK nationals, of course, all assistance should be given. If | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
you're asking my opinion on an armed intervention in North Africa, | :12:57. | :13:02. | |
I do not think it is being sought in Algeria and as you know, my | :13:02. | :13:06. | |
views on these matters is you need to be extraordinarily cautious | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
before you start talking about committing soldiers on the ground. | :13:10. | :13:17. | |
I do not think anyone is Seriously talking about that at the moment. | :13:17. | :13:20. | |
There is the major difference between seeing and the up as a | :13:20. | :13:26. | |
priority and not allowing it to disappear from the radar on | :13:26. | :13:32. | |
security grounds, and with putting troops into I'll GDR. Scottish | :13:32. | :13:37. | |
workers at real risk here, many from your constituency. Can we do | :13:37. | :13:40. | |
more to help protect Scots who going abroad and are living in | :13:40. | :13:46. | |
these areas? Apart from the general co-operation in terms of security | :13:46. | :13:54. | |
and in terms of the oil companies who are well versed in this. I have | :13:54. | :14:04. | |
:14:04. | :14:04. | ||
been to a number of situations. Apart from taking these precautions, | :14:04. | :14:10. | |
for people and the oil industry, the understand that many oil | :14:10. | :14:15. | |
provinces have been unstable and dangerous places. That does not | :14:15. | :14:20. | |
mean you can neglect or be in any sense accepting of the risks people | :14:20. | :14:28. | |
take, but these risks are well known. The service companies are | :14:28. | :14:33. | |
aware of them. The maximum effort must be made to make security a | :14:33. | :14:40. | |
lair. In policy terms, what is clear from the tragedy and the it | :14:40. | :14:48. | |
rage of the last week is that any thought that North Africa or | :14:48. | :14:51. | |
Algeria is less of a potentially difficult and dangerous place | :14:51. | :14:56. | |
should be removed entirely. It should certainly be a foreign | :14:56. | :14:59. | |
policy priority and they would have thought that is pretty obvious from | :14:59. | :15:07. | |
the recent tragic a bits. -- events. Why are girls from deprived areas | :15:07. | :15:10. | |
of the country more likely to become teenage mums than those who | :15:10. | :15:13. | |
are better off? It's an issue being examined by a Health Committee at | :15:13. | :15:15. | |
Holyrood next month. They're calling for evidence on why | :15:16. | :15:18. | |
Scotland continues to have one of the highest levels of teen | :15:18. | :15:21. | |
pregnancy in Western Europe and whether we are doing enough to | :15:21. | :15:31. | |
:15:31. | :15:33. | ||
bring about real and lasting change. Hayley Jarvis reports. | :15:33. | :15:36. | |
Katharine Mackie was 16 and living in Commander up when she fell | :15:36. | :15:41. | |
pregnant. When I first found out I was pregnant it was a big shock to | :15:41. | :15:48. | |
me. I really thought this was my life over. She is now 21 and has | :15:48. | :15:51. | |
the second daughter with her partner. Although she has no | :15:52. | :15:57. | |
regrets about having children at the young age, she feels not many | :15:57. | :16:03. | |
opportunities were open to have at that time. No employers were taking | :16:03. | :16:07. | |
me. I felt like I was getting nowhere. I was trying and getting | :16:07. | :16:14. | |
nothing. All I did was be at home and looked after her. What am I | :16:14. | :16:21. | |
going to do? While numbers have fallen in each of the past four | :16:21. | :16:25. | |
years, Scotland still has one of the highest rates of teenage | :16:25. | :16:29. | |
pregnancy in western Europe but figures vary greatly across the | :16:29. | :16:34. | |
country with figures showing women under 20 are living in poor areas | :16:34. | :16:38. | |
are 10 times more likely to have a child and twice as likely to have | :16:38. | :16:42. | |
an abortion than those who are better off. Why is there such a | :16:42. | :16:48. | |
link between poor Bertie and teenage pregnancy? It depends on | :16:48. | :16:53. | |
the options available to you. If you are looking at forfeiting ad to | :16:53. | :16:59. | |
be on a future career, that is going to influence your choices. If | :16:59. | :17:06. | |
what you see is an employment and a paucity of opportunity, this baby | :17:06. | :17:10. | |
means you have a role once you can become a mother and fit into the | :17:10. | :17:14. | |
community in which you live and be respected, that might be influenced | :17:14. | :17:20. | |
that choice. NHS Scotland are trying to reduce the number of | :17:20. | :17:25. | |
unplanned pregnancies through sex education and access to | :17:25. | :17:29. | |
contraception but see in deprived areas there are other issues. | :17:29. | :17:34. | |
of it is to do with aspiration and lifelong ambition. What are you | :17:34. | :17:39. | |
looking for a few do not have a job? It is about how people develop | :17:39. | :17:43. | |
relationships because we know some people are looking at developing a | :17:43. | :17:46. | |
bond with something they laugh because they did not necessarily | :17:46. | :17:51. | |
have that with their family. Study in Dundee which has the | :17:51. | :17:55. | |
highest rate of teenage pregnancy in the country found that a lack of | :17:55. | :17:59. | |
confidence could also be a reason. If people come from difficult | :17:59. | :18:05. | |
backgrounds, a lot needs to be done to make sure they have those skills | :18:05. | :18:11. | |
to mean they can say no. Up teenage pregnancy can have a long lasting | :18:11. | :18:14. | |
impact but Katharine who is now getting advice from the centre in | :18:15. | :18:21. | |
Glasgow, says it can be a positive thing. I was very young but some | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
people want that in their life and if they think they can handle it | :18:24. | :18:32. | |
and have that support, just to have that in your life. MSPs will begin | :18:32. | :18:36. | |
taking evidence next week on how to reduce pregnancies and to support | :18:36. | :18:46. | |
:18:46. | :18:48. | ||
those who find themselves parents I am joined by the chief executive | :18:48. | :18:53. | |
of the charity, Children First, and a director of the Royal College of | :18:53. | :19:01. | |
midwives in Scotland. We have got some of the worst rates in western | :19:01. | :19:09. | |
Europe. Are you trying to identify some underlying causes? | :19:09. | :19:14. | |
It is complex. You have a batten young people at different issues. | :19:14. | :19:22. | |
There are those who are into binge drinking and substance abuse. We | :19:22. | :19:27. | |
often hear from young people who do not realise they are not in a fit | :19:27. | :19:32. | |
state. That is one group. Then there is another group, who are | :19:32. | :19:39. | |
possibly ambivalent or even want to have children, for all these | :19:39. | :19:44. | |
reasons mentioned, perhaps not seen a role for themselves, not having a | :19:45. | :19:50. | |
career to look for two, so having a baby is a way of saying, I am a | :19:50. | :19:55. | |
mother now, I have some body. But there are also lots of things about | :19:56. | :20:00. | |
young people who find it difficult to negotiate relationships, talk | :20:00. | :20:05. | |
about sex, about competence -- about contraception. It is not | :20:05. | :20:11. | |
enough for us to just say, this is a condom, this is how you use it. | :20:11. | :20:15. | |
It is about negotiating relationships. Are very complex | :20:15. | :20:20. | |
area. And there is an emotional | :20:20. | :20:26. | |
fulfilment that some youngsters might be looking for. | :20:26. | :20:34. | |
Undoubtedly. We must not judge. Not all young teenage mothers are a bad | :20:34. | :20:38. | |
mothers. We have to get that right. Lots of them are good mothers who | :20:38. | :20:46. | |
just need support. We have to look and ask, how can we help and | :20:46. | :20:55. | |
support these young people? There has been some work done by the | :20:55. | :21:00. | |
family and a spark a ship, looking at that. It is a very good in the | :21:00. | :21:08. | |
City. -- the family - nerves partnership. - a very good | :21:08. | :21:18. | |
:21:18. | :21:25. | ||
development. They do not realise that this is a 24 hour commitment. | :21:25. | :21:29. | |
And the role of young fathers? Contrary to the stereotype many | :21:29. | :21:36. | |
want to get involved but do not know how to. | :21:36. | :21:41. | |
Absolutely. We were involved in research talking to young fathers. | :21:41. | :21:47. | |
Many of them wanted to have a role in their child's life. Not | :21:47. | :21:51. | |
necessarily marriage and happy ever after, but they wanted some role, | :21:51. | :21:57. | |
some level of responsibility. Yet they felt they were often sidelined. | :21:57. | :22:03. | |
It comes back to the whole thing about relationships. How do we | :22:03. | :22:07. | |
maximise people's involvement in relationships? Make sure that it | :22:07. | :22:14. | |
works? I'll be it they might not be living together. | :22:14. | :22:24. | |
:22:24. | :22:27. | ||
You mentioned the family - nurse partnership. | :22:27. | :22:32. | |
That has been completely funded by the Scottish Government. All the | :22:32. | :22:37. | |
parties have an interest but this administration have really driven | :22:37. | :22:46. | |
the partnership. In Lothian we had the pilot. We absolutely involved | :22:46. | :22:52. | |
the young fathers. It is not about providing clinical careful stock | :22:52. | :22:59. | |
that is done by a midwife. This is about supporting parenting. -- | :22:59. | :23:09. | |
:23:09. | :23:14. | ||
clinical care. It will be rolled out elsewhere. We will see success, | :23:14. | :23:19. | |
although it is for a certain group of young ladies who are under 19 | :23:19. | :23:29. | |
years of age. What is the key thing in reducing teenage pregnancies? | :23:29. | :23:34. | |
Making sure that what is talked about his health the relationship | :23:34. | :23:38. | |
young people are also not convinced about confidentiality and are | :23:38. | :23:41. | |
worried that any one they talk to will immediately talk to their | :23:42. | :23:49. | |
mothers. And the need to understand about, -- contraception. As a | :23:49. | :23:53. | |
country we have a long way to go when it comes to been honest and | :23:53. | :23:57. | |
talking about sex. How can we expect young people to deal with it | :23:57. | :24:02. | |
when they look at older people who are still embarrassed? Smaller | :24:02. | :24:10. | |
groups, not great big classes. That involves resources. And resources | :24:10. | :24:17. | |
are patchy across Scotland. We need to roll them out more consistently. | :24:17. | :24:21. | |
We will soon discuss the events of next week but let's look back at | :24:21. | :24:31. | |
:24:31. | :24:35. | ||
Both the House of Commons and the House of Lords approved a section | :24:35. | :24:39. | |
30 order. Legal powers will pass to Holyrood to hold the independence | :24:39. | :24:45. | |
referendum. The Labour leader of Glasgow City | :24:45. | :24:48. | |
Council made a public apology after police reported him to the | :24:48. | :24:53. | |
Procurator Fiscal for an alleged indecency with another man. He | :24:53. | :24:59. | |
remains in post. A call has gone out for 1,500 | :24:59. | :25:05. | |
volunteers to help out at the Glasgow Commonwealth Games. | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
And Gordon Strachan is settling into life as the new Scotland | :25:08. | :25:18. | |
:25:18. | :25:22. | ||
football manager. I am very proud. My family are proud. My wife, my | :25:22. | :25:29. | |
mother, my grand children, children, friends. | :25:29. | :25:39. | |
:25:39. | :25:46. | ||
And it snowed! I am joined by a trio of political | :25:46. | :25:56. | |
pundits. The Scottish Correspondent from the Guardian, the Spectator, | :25:56. | :26:05. | |
and in Dundee, the Scottish political editor of the Sun. We had | :26:05. | :26:09. | |
a European discussion at the top of the programme. What did you make of | :26:09. | :26:15. | |
the discussion between Nigel Farage and Alyn Smith? | :26:15. | :26:20. | |
Nigel Farage is a good walk on Act but Alyn Smith was much closer to | :26:20. | :26:27. | |
where the debate will be. The UK Independence Party poll only in the | :26:28. | :26:31. | |
tens of thousands at their best. So their position will not have | :26:32. | :26:37. | |
popular support of attraction here. Smith was right, this is more a | :26:37. | :26:44. | |
question of relationships within the European Union. I mentioned the | :26:44. | :26:51. | |
article in the Herald by the Deputy First Minister, quoting Nick Clegg. | :26:51. | :26:56. | |
Talking about the chilling effect that a European exit could mean. | :26:56. | :27:01. | |
Nigel Farage not getting much attraction here. | :27:01. | :27:07. | |
That is certainly the case. Nick Clegg and the nationalists making | :27:07. | :27:11. | |
the same argument. But it is the same argument by Unionists make | :27:11. | :27:17. | |
about Scott and leading the United Kingdom, so a certain irony. -- | :27:17. | :27:25. | |
Scotland. There is an assumption that Scotland is a better, more | :27:25. | :27:34. | |
progressive place than to the south. In actual fact, Euro-sceptics are | :27:34. | :27:39. | |
quite widespread in Scotland. But there is a difference in terms of | :27:39. | :27:45. | |
the intensity, compared with parts of the south-east of England. But | :27:45. | :27:49. | |
the European Union is not particularly popular in Scotland, | :27:49. | :27:54. | |
it is just not afforded the same importance in the overall political | :27:54. | :28:00. | |
landscape as it is in the south of England. | :28:00. | :28:07. | |
Do you think there's any Euro- scepticism in Scotland? | :28:07. | :28:15. | |
We heard already by looking at the question, if you wear and already | :28:15. | :28:22. | |
in the union, would you join it now? -- if you were not already. | :28:22. | :28:27. | |
There was a great star mash about the question of legal advice, are | :28:27. | :28:34. | |
we in or out of Europe? Well perhaps we will be out of Europe | :28:35. | :28:39. | |
anyway even if we stayed in the UK. That will all come and to the | :28:39. | :28:49. | |
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independence referendum brew. I think one mistake that has been | :28:53. | :29:01. | |
made, strategically, the SNP has either by accident or design | :29:01. | :29:04. | |
allowed their policy to be conflated with what independence | :29:04. | :29:11. | |
might mean for Scotland. Lots of these decisions are matters for the | :29:11. | :29:16. | |
Scottish people if and when we become independent. | :29:16. | :29:21. | |
I want to look at another story in the Scotland on Sunday. An | :29:21. | :29:25. | |
exclusive about and you report, a new blueprint for extending | :29:25. | :29:35. | |
devolution. -- a new report. What do you make of this? | :29:35. | :29:41. | |
This is familiar territory. An organisation already put forward | :29:41. | :29:46. | |
something similar. But this is very much aware of the counter argument | :29:46. | :29:50. | |
to independence will be fully formed. Labour will come quite | :29:51. | :29:54. | |
close to this proposition, the Liberal Democrats are already | :29:54. | :30:01. | |
beyond it. So it is shaping up into a proper debate about the Scottish | :30:01. | :30:05. | |
future, greater revolution or and Alex Salmond version of | :30:05. | :30:09. | |
independence within the European Union. | :30:09. | :30:13. | |
And there is no offer from the pro- union parties as to what might | :30:13. | :30:22. | |
happen in a post referendum Scotland following a yes vote? | :30:22. | :30:28. | |
I take the view, what has taken you so long? I remember writing | :30:28. | :30:33. | |
editorials for the Scotland on Sunday more than a decade ago | :30:33. | :30:40. | |
arguing for extract evolution. It is based on a fundamental right and | :30:40. | :30:44. | |
principle. A parliament with the power to spend but not tax is | :30:44. | :30:48. | |
fundamentally irresponsible and cannot be expected to have the | :30:48. | :30:53. | |
incentives to govern effectively and sensibly. So this is part of a | :30:53. | :31:00. | |
process. The new Scotland Bill will introduce taxation powers of a | :31:00. | :31:03. | |
level that far exceed what has previously been available at | :31:03. | :31:10. | |
Holyrood. Lots of the chattering classes have yet to come to terms | :31:10. | :31:20. | |
with the opportunities. It is a work in progress. | :31:20. | :31:28. | |
Well the other pro-union parties get behind us? The Tories? | :31:28. | :31:35. | |
I have my doubts! I remember Alex Douglas-Home telling us that if we | :31:35. | :31:40. | |
all voted No in the last referendum a better policy would come along in | :31:40. | :31:48. | |
a minute. That did not happen. These parties are saying that they | :31:48. | :31:52. | |
are open to extra day evolution but only after we both know to | :31:52. | :31:56. | |
independence. If they were serious they could bring forward a Bill on | :31:56. | :32:04. | |
Westminster so that we know the alternative to voting no. | :32:04. | :32:09. | |
This is the direction of travel across the whole of the United | :32:09. | :32:13. | |
Kingdom. Wheels are talking about it. Northern Ireland are talking | :32:13. | :32:19. |