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Morning folks. Welcome to the Sunday Politics. | :00:34. | :00:37. | |
With just over a week to go until David Cameron's big speech on | :00:37. | :00:40. | |
Europe, politicians and business leaders line up to warn him not to | :00:40. | :00:47. | |
damage our relationship with the EU. Are they right? Should he listen? | :00:47. | :00:50. | |
In a week when the government has been busily marking its own | :00:50. | :00:52. | |
homework, we ask Communities Secretary Eric Pickles whether - | :00:52. | :00:56. | |
when it comes to housing policy - it's a case of must try much harder. | :00:56. | :01:01. | |
That's the Sunday Interview. And as violent protests continue in | :01:01. | :01:05. | |
Belfast over the decision to cut the number of days the Union flag | :01:05. | :01:07. | |
flies above the City Hall, we'll debate the decision and the | :01:07. | :01:10. | |
significance of the riots, as two politicians at the heart of the | :01:10. | :01:18. | |
controversy go head to head. And on Sunday Politics Scotland: | :01:18. | :01:20. | |
We'll be speaking to the chairman of the Scottish Police Authority | :01:21. | :01:24. | |
and getting his take on the tug of war over the finances of the new | :01:24. | :01:34. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2093 seconds | :01:34. | :36:28. | |
It just doesn't add up. The Anglo Irish agreement illustrates the | :36:28. | :36:35. | |
campaign, and now all the sudden it's all changed. But Belfast has | :36:35. | :36:39. | |
changed. Once the, distance, the sectarian divide mystified. Now, | :36:39. | :36:44. | |
the majority of the city feels the same. In the market, the trouble | :36:44. | :36:49. | |
doesn't have the smell test. Conversation 10 minutes from where | :36:49. | :36:51. | |
the protests are taking place are more likely to be about the price | :36:51. | :37:01. | |
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of Kirsch. The vast majority of people want peace. The court | :37:01. | :37:05. | |
austerity and then this on top of that. It's definitely affecting | :37:05. | :37:11. | |
shops and businesses. Show better respect the people! For many, what | :37:11. | :37:16. | |
they want a black up is the big political and economic cost to | :37:16. | :37:26. | |
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squabbling. -- to flag up. Now, we go head to head. | :37:37. | :37:40. | |
Now that you've seen the reaction to your decision, do you accept | :37:40. | :37:45. | |
that by reducing the number of days that the flag flies has been deeply | :37:45. | :37:50. | |
provocative and upsetting to half your city? No, I don't accept that | :37:50. | :37:55. | |
the threat of violence, the force of violence and intimidation should | :37:55. | :38:00. | |
in any way alter the democratic process. We're a very difficult and | :38:00. | :38:05. | |
sensitive decision to take. My colleagues took legal and a quality | :38:05. | :38:08. | |
advice that was given to them by the council. They looked very | :38:08. | :38:12. | |
carefully at what it happened in other councils, including Lisbon | :38:12. | :38:19. | |
City Council. Compromises like this had been proposed on designated | :38:19. | :38:23. | |
days. Our councillors believed this was the right thing to do in what | :38:23. | :38:28. | |
is a shed city with a very diverse view. It reflects that Belfast is | :38:28. | :38:32. | |
within the United Kingdom, it respects the black in the way that | :38:32. | :38:35. | |
we're encouraged to do by the College of Arms, and it also | :38:35. | :38:39. | |
reflects the fact that there are many people who have a stake in | :38:39. | :38:42. | |
this city who don't share that allegiance. What is your reaction | :38:42. | :38:52. | |
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to that? I did vote against the flat policy and Lisbon in 2002. | :38:53. | :39:00. | |
Please don't interrupt me. You've got it wrong. Not just the few | :39:00. | :39:04. | |
thousand people out protesting there are hundreds of 1,000 people | :39:04. | :39:14. | |
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across Northern Ireland are angry at this particular decision. The | :39:14. | :39:17. | |
Alliance Party need to reflect on this and to realise that going back | :39:17. | :39:27. | |
to majority rule doesn't work. Consensus politics is much better | :39:27. | :39:31. | |
than anyone. They have broken consensus politics in Northern | :39:31. | :39:35. | |
Ireland on this issue. Are want to show you a leaflet which is going | :39:35. | :39:40. | |
to put up on the screen. It's in the colours of the Alliance Party. | :39:40. | :39:47. | |
It shows this picture of the flag disappearing and it changes the | :39:47. | :39:55. | |
slogan into a shared future for whom? On the back, they published | :39:55. | :39:58. | |
Nia me's email and telephone numbers and encourage people to | :39:58. | :40:05. | |
voice their opposition. You really played a part stir this up. Aydin | :40:06. | :40:12. | |
and distribute any leaflets. Your party did. Certainly the leaflets | :40:12. | :40:19. | |
were distributed in Belfast. I think the Alliance Party had | :40:19. | :40:25. | |
stirred this up and whenever I travel over to England and other | :40:25. | :40:29. | |
parts of the UK, I see the national flag with dignity. That was the | :40:29. | :40:34. | |
case with Belfast City Hall. They decided to move against that and | :40:34. | :40:40. | |
that was the wrong decision, a bad decision and it is detrimental to | :40:40. | :40:42. | |
community relations. It is a setback to what we have been doing, | :40:42. | :40:48. | |
along with people on the other side of the committee, for many years. | :40:48. | :40:51. | |
Was there really that much pressure to get rid of the flag on most days | :40:51. | :40:56. | |
of the year? Did you really have to change things? There a couple of | :40:56. | :41:00. | |
things that need to be addressed. In Lisbon City Council, where he | :41:00. | :41:04. | |
was a member, Unionist took the flag down, they then put it up | :41:04. | :41:10. | |
under pressure and finally had to remit it again. He was present at a | :41:10. | :41:13. | |
meeting in 2006 where the decision was taken to fly the flag on | :41:13. | :41:16. | |
designated days in-line with the quality advice given to the council. | :41:16. | :41:20. | |
That is the reality of the situation and I am happy to defend | :41:20. | :41:25. | |
that. In terms of my colleagues, be clear - I am not a member of the | :41:25. | :41:30. | |
City Council. I'm not sure where been targeted in this hate-filled | :41:30. | :41:33. | |
campaign with his inflammatory leaflets which spoke of tearing | :41:33. | :41:41. | |
down the black. Rather than addressing the issue of how we | :41:41. | :41:45. | |
share our identity. With respect out of Blyth has flown in the rest | :41:45. | :41:49. | |
of the UK, many district councils across the UK use the designated | :41:49. | :41:55. | |
days policy. The idea that it is acting British is a nonsense. There | :41:55. | :42:05. | |
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is of course sensitivity around this issue. Why did you target her? | :42:06. | :42:10. | |
She is an alliance member in Belfast. She is not a member of the | :42:10. | :42:16. | |
City Council. Her office is the centre of activity for alliance in | :42:16. | :42:26. | |
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Belfast. The that is not true. was the offers that people could | :42:27. | :42:33. | |
easily address when it came to making their protest. But let's get | :42:33. | :42:37. | |
away from this is the cause of the issue. The cause was the removal of | :42:37. | :42:47. | |
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the flak. -- the flag. Stormont Parliament already has a similar | :42:48. | :42:54. | |
arrangement. It brings it into line with London guidelines about the | :42:54. | :42:58. | |
days you fly the flag. What is the problem? It doesn't bring it into | :42:58. | :43:01. | |
line with the rest of Northern Ireland. There are many different | :43:01. | :43:07. | |
cities across Northern Ireland. The status quo was working. It has been | :43:07. | :43:11. | |
damaged and we can see the consequences of it. Leaving aside | :43:11. | :43:15. | |
people who are engaging in violence, we need to reflect that there are | :43:15. | :43:19. | |
hundreds of thousands of people across Northern Ireland who have | :43:19. | :43:26. | |
been greatly offended by this particular decision. I'm afraid | :43:26. | :43:31. | |
we're going to have to leave it there. Thank you very much for both | :43:31. | :43:41. | |
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to be joining us from Belfast. Now, you're watching the Sunday politics. | :43:41. | :43:44. | |
Good morning and welcome to the first Sunday Politics Scotland of | :43:44. | :43:45. | |
2013. Coming up: Two governments, two differing | :43:45. | :43:51. | |
futures. Will nuclear weapons stay in Scotland or will they go? And | :43:51. | :43:53. | |
could a decision on Trident in Scotland become a springboard for | :43:53. | :43:58. | |
the wider nuclear disarmament debate in the rest of the UK? Sir | :43:59. | :44:02. | |
Menzies Campbell and Angus Robertson join us to discuss. | :44:02. | :44:05. | |
The new single police force starts in April, but for that to happen, a | :44:05. | :44:08. | |
dispute between the Chief Constable and Police Authority Chairman needs | :44:08. | :44:12. | |
to be resolved. What are the chances? | :44:13. | :44:15. | |
And is Scotland's tourism industry missing a lucrative trick when it | :44:15. | :44:21. | |
comes to promoting the whisky experience? What can we learn from | :44:21. | :44:31. | |
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international examples? There is only one place in the world that | :44:31. | :44:40. | |
can call itself the malt whisky valid. -- valley. | :44:40. | :44:44. | |
Billions of pounds and thousands of jobs. The cost of moving nuclear | :44:44. | :44:46. | |
submarines from the Clyde if Scotland becomes independent, | :44:46. | :44:49. | |
according to the UK government. The latest twist in the Trident tale | :44:49. | :44:53. | |
led to fierce political fighting between unionists and nationalists. | :44:53. | :44:56. | |
The SNP say parliament and people don't want the weapons on their | :44:56. | :44:59. | |
doorstep - the UK government are adamant the independent deterrent | :44:59. | :45:09. | |
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must be maintained. The controversial Trident missile | :45:09. | :45:11. | |
has found a hot spot in the constitutional debate. At | :45:11. | :45:15. | |
Westminster this week, the government revealed their thinking | :45:15. | :45:20. | |
on the impact of independence on Trident. Ministers say including | :45:20. | :45:23. | |
its nuclear weapons after new -- after independence would cost | :45:23. | :45:29. | |
billions of pounds and take many years. They also say it employs | :45:29. | :45:34. | |
6,700 military and civilian workers, and that will rise. If those jobs | :45:34. | :45:40. | |
went, Unionist say the impact on Scotland would be catastrophic. | :45:40. | :45:43. | |
What would happen in the Clyde if the SNP got there way to get rid of | :45:43. | :45:48. | |
the nuclear submarines and other submarines? What would happen to | :45:48. | :45:52. | |
shipping in the Clyde if we walk away from the Royal Navy? Warble | :45:52. | :45:59. | |
the SNP do if they win? They just can't keep avoiding the truth. | :45:59. | :46:03. | |
These questions will stalk them right up until a referendum day. | :46:03. | :46:10. | |
The SNP's say they are in step with Scotland as the weapons on wanted. | :46:10. | :46:14. | |
I am on the same side as the unions, the voluntary sector and the | :46:14. | :46:17. | |
majority of public opinion who voted against Trident, saying, we | :46:17. | :46:23. | |
should do much better. We should have a job that working | :46:23. | :46:26. | |
conventional defence, we should get rid of weapons of mass destruction | :46:26. | :46:30. | |
and that will only happen with a yes vote in the referendum. | :46:30. | :46:35. | |
decision to replace trident is not due until 2016 as the coalition | :46:35. | :46:40. | |
partners are at loggerheads. The UK Government also claims they are not | :46:40. | :46:43. | |
considering what could happen to Trident in the event of | :46:43. | :46:48. | |
independence. No ministry worth its salt would refuse to have emergency | :46:48. | :46:53. | |
procedures in place, and as Defence is central to the United Kingdom's | :46:53. | :46:57. | |
policy-making, surely they will be looking at what happens on the | :46:57. | :47:05. | |
Clyde after the referendum. When it comes to post-independence, there | :47:05. | :47:11. | |
is criticism of the SNP. They're is inherent contradiction to their | :47:11. | :47:14. | |
stance towards native. NATO in the last analysis will use a nuclear | :47:14. | :47:20. | |
weapons, and as it isn't all for one, one for all alliance, it means | :47:20. | :47:25. | |
that in theory a Scottish -- an independent Scotland would have to | :47:25. | :47:30. | |
support the use of nuclear weapons. You Unionists also question the | :47:30. | :47:35. | |
SNP's plans for conventional forces after independence. But nationalist | :47:35. | :47:38. | |
taunt Labour and the Lib Dems for their commitment to multilateral | :47:38. | :47:43. | |
disarmament. There is always something to fight to the when it | :47:43. | :47:47. | |
comes to defence. In our Edinburgh studio is the | :47:47. | :47:49. | |
former Liberal Democrat Leader and foreign policy grandee Sir Menzies | :47:49. | :47:58. | |
Campbell. A good morning. Do you agree with the West must do | :47:58. | :48:02. | |
government's response that it will cost billions of pounds and | :48:02. | :48:06. | |
thousands of jobs in an independent Scotland to move away Trident from | :48:07. | :48:10. | |
its current location? Well, there will be a cost. There is a dispute | :48:10. | :48:15. | |
about the number of jobs and it all depends on how you define the job. | :48:15. | :48:20. | |
Do you take account of the people who supply the base? Do you take | :48:20. | :48:24. | |
account of the local businesses who depend on the base for their | :48:24. | :48:28. | |
existence? The one thing one can agree on is that if you take away | :48:28. | :48:36. | |
responsibility for the four Trident submarines and the seven submarines | :48:36. | :48:42. | |
that are powered by nuclear energy, then inevitably there will be an | :48:42. | :48:50. | |
economic impact. The SNP is saying they will use it for conventional | :48:50. | :48:53. | |
reasons, conventional military arrangements. The point about that | :48:53. | :48:58. | |
is, just exactly what would those conventional arrangements amount | :48:58. | :49:04. | |
to? A patrol vessels? With that in any way compensate for the | :49:04. | :49:14. | |
inevitable cost of the removal of Trident? What are the real benefits | :49:14. | :49:19. | |
for Scotland for being part of the union when it comes to defence? | :49:19. | :49:27. | |
Your constituency has been hard hit by the loss of RAF forces. In | :49:27. | :49:31. | |
Scotland, there is an underspend by the MoD, so what is the benefit? | :49:32. | :49:36. | |
The benefits is to have the protection of the United Kingdom | :49:36. | :49:41. | |
defence forces. Of course, these forces have to be positioned in a | :49:41. | :49:44. | |
place where they are most effective. My argument with the British | :49:44. | :49:50. | |
government is that we have the best place to provide the air defence | :49:50. | :49:54. | |
for the northern part of Britain, including Scotland and the northern | :49:54. | :49:58. | |
part of England. But the overall benefit is reflected in the fact | :49:58. | :50:04. | |
that we have a very coherent and cohesive defence which adds an | :50:04. | :50:10. | |
secures our safety. Reading the UK Government's response to the | :50:10. | :50:15. | |
Scottish report, perhaps it seems contradictory in some ways that UK | :50:15. | :50:18. | |
government says it will cost billions of pounds and thousands of | :50:18. | :50:22. | |
jobs, and they are also saying we went even countenance what will | :50:22. | :50:27. | |
happen post independence. Your colleague wrote in a Scottish | :50:27. | :50:31. | |
newspaper today that he would not negotiate and after a possible Yes | :50:31. | :50:37. | |
vote. You agree with that, that it is fair to not negotiate until | :50:37. | :50:41. | |
after the referendum? And well, just imagine if they started these | :50:41. | :50:46. | |
negotiations now. There would be a running commentary, there would | :50:46. | :50:50. | |
never be any question of these negotiations been kept secret. And | :50:50. | :50:55. | |
the negotiations themselves are would form part of the argument | :50:55. | :50:58. | |
about whether the question should be answered in the affirmative or | :50:58. | :51:03. | |
the negative. I think it's very sensible indeed not to indulge in a | :51:03. | :51:10. | |
kind of negotiation that has been suggestion. Pop -- that has been | :51:10. | :51:14. | |
suggested. But I also think that somewhere there will be a group of | :51:14. | :51:18. | |
people looking at the implications of independence. I would be very | :51:18. | :51:22. | |
surprised if that was not the case. But it will be done in a private | :51:22. | :51:32. | |
way and certainly not a way where It sounds like the UK government is | :51:32. | :51:37. | |
lying to us. I am not saying that at all. If you want the | :51:37. | :51:40. | |
negotiations I believe his embrace of the whole idea of negotiating | :51:40. | :51:47. | |
what will happen after independence, the Scottish National Party would | :51:47. | :51:51. | |
say they have conceded the argument. Otherwise they would not be | :51:51. | :51:55. | |
discussing with this the consequences of independence. That | :51:55. | :51:59. | |
information and the nature of the need associations would be bound to | :51:59. | :52:03. | |
be part of the political discourse. The influence would be that the UK | :52:03. | :52:09. | |
government had given up. I don't doubt for a moment that for example | :52:09. | :52:13. | |
in the Royal Navy, maybe not in government, but in the Royal Navy, | :52:14. | :52:18. | |
consideration is given to what they would do in the event there was | :52:18. | :52:22. | |
independence and it was necessary to take out the Trident submarines | :52:22. | :52:28. | |
and the astute class. We are going to be up to seven additional | :52:28. | :52:33. | |
submarines on top of the Trident. Take these away and I don't think | :52:33. | :52:36. | |
anyone can argue that the impact upon the local economy is going to | :52:36. | :52:46. | |
be anything. Maybe your party wants them taken away. You're an advocate | :52:46. | :52:53. | |
of nuclear disarmament. Perhaps that is a good starting-point for | :52:53. | :53:00. | |
disarmament. That would be unilateral disarmament. It involves | :53:00. | :53:07. | |
a disagreement, -- it involves an agreement. You're quite right to | :53:07. | :53:11. | |
mention that because the American President gave its impetus in a | :53:11. | :53:16. | |
speech he made in Prague about two years ago. I am a member of the | :53:16. | :53:23. | |
group of people in the House of Commons seeking to argue that. | :53:23. | :53:33. | |
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People in the United States, people who might ordinary be seen as all | :53:34. | :53:38. | |
the world watches. The fact Britain of Scotland would give up its | :53:38. | :53:42. | |
nuclear weapons would not persuade India or Pakistan to do so. It | :53:42. | :53:50. | |
would not persuade Israel to do so. If we're going to approach this on | :53:50. | :53:55. | |
disarmament, we have to do on a multilateral basis. Find you very | :53:55. | :53:59. | |
much for joining me live. -- many thanks. | :53:59. | :54:02. | |
Listening to that in his Moray constituency, is the SNP Leader at | :54:02. | :54:04. | |
Westminster and Defence and Foreign Affairs spokesman, Angus Robertson | :54:04. | :54:11. | |
Good morning. Listening to Sir Menzies Campbell there, he pretty | :54:11. | :54:15. | |
much sided with the UK government when the clear point of removing | :54:15. | :54:18. | |
tridents from Scotland would cost billions of pounds and thousands of | :54:18. | :54:26. | |
Scottish jobs. To be honest I am not surprised with that. We know | :54:26. | :54:29. | |
all the parties in the anti- independence side of the argument | :54:29. | :54:34. | |
are using any opportunity to scare the wits out of people and suggest | :54:34. | :54:38. | |
independence is going to cast a whole lot of jobs and investment | :54:38. | :54:43. | |
when that is not the case. It is the status quo that has been bad | :54:43. | :54:50. | |
for Defence in Scotland. We have lost more than multi-million-pound | :54:51. | :55:00. | |
defence contracts. I think what we need to embrace and understand is | :55:00. | :55:04. | |
this debate is about a real profound advantage for Scotland. We | :55:04. | :55:10. | |
could make better defence decisions in Scotland. On top of that list is | :55:10. | :55:14. | |
we can choose for skull and not to be the home of weapons of mass | :55:14. | :55:20. | |
destruction. -- for Scotland. We were able to stress the point and | :55:20. | :55:25. | |
the majority of people don't want them here. The churches are against | :55:25. | :55:29. | |
it, the voluntary organisations are against it. The majority of people | :55:29. | :55:34. | |
would wish it to be different. A Yes vote in independence, we can do | :55:34. | :55:42. | |
that. That is an opportunity that in the run-up to the referendum, | :55:43. | :55:46. | |
people will come to understand there are real benefits from the | :55:46. | :55:53. | |
historic and exciting vote. What are your plans? This is where your | :55:53. | :55:56. | |
opponent's picture upon. What are your plans for conventional forces | :55:56. | :56:02. | |
in Scotland. The UK government said it would take away all submarines. | :56:02. | :56:09. | |
How would you setter defence in an independence Olwen? -- set up in an | :56:09. | :56:19. | |
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independence Scotland? We covered the whole range of issues last year. | :56:24. | :56:28. | |
How does one organise that there? It is answerable to the Scottish | :56:28. | :56:32. | |
Parliament. We made the decision on what we were prepared to spend on | :56:33. | :56:38. | |
defence. �2.5 billion for the defence budget, you were talking | :56:38. | :56:43. | |
about an uplifting spending than the UK government spends his talent. | :56:43. | :56:48. | |
In terms of the disposition, what goes where, we need to first see | :56:48. | :56:53. | |
the results of the UK Basing review. We were supposed to have that last | :56:53. | :56:58. | |
year and we will have that within weeks. It will give us the starting | :56:58. | :57:01. | |
point for the situation Scotland will inherit with independence. | :57:01. | :57:08. | |
What exactly will be where? We have got out about what is happening. We | :57:08. | :57:14. | |
have doubts about many things. There is something else here, I | :57:14. | :57:21. | |
want to pick up on something else. Another post independence plan. | :57:21. | :57:26. | |
Trevor Royle said it there was an inherent contradiction and your | :57:26. | :57:35. | |
stance on NATO. Scotland would be in exactly the same position as | :57:35. | :57:39. | |
countries like Norway and Denmark. The majority of countries within | :57:39. | :57:45. | |
NATO do not post or possess nuclear weapons. There is no contradiction | :57:45. | :57:49. | |
there whatsoever. What we decided was in a conference, rather than | :57:49. | :57:53. | |
having a partnership with our allies and friends we would work as | :57:53. | :57:58. | |
members within NATO, as a conventionally armed country. That | :57:59. | :58:03. | |
is what the Norwegians, Danes, Icelanders do. We want to work with | :58:03. | :58:08. | |
our neighbours and friends and want the defence in Scotland. We are | :58:08. | :58:13. | |
being let down by Westminster in that regard. Only in independence | :58:13. | :58:18. | |
can we make decisions on defence that secures jobs and communities | :58:18. | :58:23. | |
like this one here. London has let them down. Let's make better | :58:23. | :58:29. | |
decisions in Scotland. That is the sort of thing normal countries do. | :58:29. | :58:34. | |
When it comes to your post- independence well, it seems like | :58:34. | :58:39. | |
more has shot a warning shot. He said they will be no negotiations | :58:39. | :58:45. | |
until after a possible Yes vote in the referendum. I don't see why it | :58:45. | :58:49. | |
is difficult that the Scottish government and UK government can | :58:49. | :58:53. | |
have a series of technical discussions. That is what happened | :58:53. | :58:57. | |
in the run-up to the Edinburgh agreement. It is possible to come | :58:57. | :59:01. | |
to an agreement that has two government working together. That | :59:01. | :59:06. | |
seems sensible to me so I don't see why somebody can't have technical | :59:06. | :59:11. | |
discussions before a Yes vote in 2014. I think this is part of the | :59:11. | :59:17. | |
tactics. It is turning people off from the No campaign. It is can't | :59:17. | :59:21. | |
do this, or can't do that. Somehow we can't do progress. I think we | :59:21. | :59:26. | |
can but it takes good will from the anti- independence parties to do so. | :59:26. | :59:30. | |
I would appear far less of this amirs, less of the scare stories, | :59:30. | :59:36. | |
less of the can't do attitude. Let's embrace what is a really | :59:36. | :59:41. | |
exciting and historic opportunity for Scotland. Many thanks for | :59:41. | :59:44. | |
joining us. There are more than 17,000 police | :59:45. | :59:48. | |
officers in Scotland, a record number. To keep them all to fight | :59:48. | :59:51. | |
crime the government needs to cut costs and that's at the heart of | :59:51. | :59:54. | |
the reforms which take effect in April. Our home affairs | :59:54. | :00:02. | |
correspondent Reevel Alderson reports on progress so far. | :00:02. | :00:06. | |
With just 11 weeks until the new single forced comes into being, | :00:06. | :00:09. | |
there has been little concrete evidence of progress towards | :00:09. | :00:14. | |
amalgamation. This was a loss last week of the new trunk road policing | :00:14. | :00:21. | |
unit. Little evidence of progress in a bitter dispute between Chief | :00:21. | :00:28. | |
Constable and Stephen House and Dick Emery. Each says they should | :00:28. | :00:35. | |
be controlling the budget. MSP is a losing patience. On the justice | :00:35. | :00:42. | |
committee, they say it must be settled. We have had assurances | :00:42. | :00:47. | |
these matters will be resolved during December and they were not. | :00:47. | :00:51. | |
We are now told that later this month there is going to be a | :00:51. | :00:55. | |
meeting of the authority and they didn't seem to be too much | :00:55. | :01:05. | |
information to give us comfort. With a similar reorganisation | :01:05. | :01:09. | |
taking place in the fire and rescue Service, agreement has been reached | :01:09. | :01:12. | |
between the new Chief Fire Officer and the chairman of the fire | :01:12. | :01:16. | |
authority of precisely the same contentious issues at the heart of | :01:16. | :01:20. | |
the police dispute. The failure of the police to do the same was | :01:20. | :01:23. | |
raised that First Minister's Questions the stuff for isn't it | :01:23. | :01:27. | |
true that the Cabinet Secretary for Justice has step back a letter a | :01:27. | :01:33. | |
beast with two heads emerge as both camps duplicate H R finance and | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
other functions. Alex Salmond said he remained confident an agreement | :01:37. | :01:47. | |
would be reached. The chair said he hopes for a formal agreement to be | :01:47. | :01:51. | |
reached at the next meeting on 18th January. That was said before | :01:51. | :01:56. | |
Christmas. The number of officers on the street depends on removing | :01:56. | :02:01. | |
the duplication of services. On the police authority, scrutinising the | :02:01. | :02:05. | |
work of the fours. Rank-and-file officers believe any agreement can | :02:05. | :02:13. | |
be reached. They're working in a way they can be a situation when it | :02:13. | :02:21. | |
can be a more amicable way of moving it forward. On April 1st we | :02:21. | :02:25. | |
will have a unified police service whether there will be unity between | :02:25. | :02:29. | |
the Chief Constable and his police authority is still to be resolved. | :02:29. | :02:32. | |
Here with me this morning is the Chairman of the Scottish Police | :02:32. | :02:36. | |
Services Authority, Vic Emery. The Chief Constable of the new | :02:36. | :02:40. | |
police force could not be with us but he gave that this it meant | :02:40. | :02:43. | |
saying any a paper published by the us P before Christmas represents | :02:43. | :02:48. | |
progress towards reaching a working agreement that allows us to focus | :02:48. | :02:52. | |
on the delivery of a new national policing service for April. Thank | :02:52. | :02:57. | |
you for joining me. It is not a great start. How when it did you | :02:57. | :03:05. | |
get to this situation and whose fault is it?-- howl and earth did | :03:05. | :03:10. | |
you get to this situation. A lot of work has been done to date and an | :03:10. | :03:15. | |
act has been put in place to change the status quo and the dynamic. I | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
think a considerable amount of work has been done and we are in a good | :03:19. | :03:26. | |
phrase. What is so wrong about the chief having his own budget? Isn't | :03:26. | :03:31. | |
it your job to let him have that and let him have his freedom? | :03:31. | :03:37. | |
People need to just bear in mind the fact that the legislation | :03:37. | :03:42. | |
creates two legal entities. One is the Constabulary and the police | :03:42. | :03:48. | |
service and the other is a body whose responsibility is to deliver | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
the budget savings and to deliver the budget and be responsible for | :03:52. | :03:58. | |
it. The Scottish Parliament will hold the Scottish Police Authority | :03:58. | :04:03. | |
to account for the efficient spending on a budget. Alex Salmond | :04:03. | :04:07. | |
described the relationship between you and achieve as creative | :04:07. | :04:12. | |
tensions. What is your personal relationship with Stephen House? | :04:12. | :04:18. | |
All these issues are being debated between the Chief Constable and his | :04:18. | :04:26. | |
team and the 13 members of the SPA. That has been productive, it has | :04:26. | :04:30. | |
been very constructive and it is moving forward. Some areas in the | :04:30. | :04:36. | |
media try to portray this as a sort of personal position between the | :04:36. | :04:39. | |
Chief Constable and myself but it couldn't be further than the -- | :04:39. | :04:49. | |
:04:49. | :04:50. | ||
from the truth. We get on very well. You're meeting on Friday, the | :04:50. | :04:54. | |
Scottish Police Authority meeting on Friday, what kind of deal are we | :04:54. | :05:01. | |
going to get question mac is it going to be a compromise situation? | :05:01. | :05:05. | |
The deal that will be struck on Friday is what the Act asks us to | :05:05. | :05:10. | |
do. It acts us to hold a chief constable accountable for | :05:10. | :05:15. | |
delivering the best police service possible to the people of Scotland | :05:15. | :05:21. | |
and for another entity, the SPA, to hold into account for that and to | :05:21. | :05:27. | |
manage the Budget. On Friday, a proposal that has been largely | :05:27. | :05:32. | |
discussed will be put forward which says there is a single function and | :05:32. | :05:37. | |
there is a single finance function across the policing of Scotland. | :05:37. | :05:43. | |
There will be a senior people who will be responsible for the policy | :05:43. | :05:47. | |
and strategy is going forward and there will be a single person in | :05:47. | :05:51. | |
the police service of Scotland who will report directly to the Chief | :05:51. | :05:57. | |
Constable to give him the day-to- day operational requirements. I | :05:57. | :06:07. | |
:06:07. | :06:07. | ||
therefore have every confidence So you can confirm that there will | :06:07. | :06:14. | |
be no duplication? There will be no duplication. There is one hr | :06:14. | :06:17. | |
organisation and one financed organisation. You have to remember, | :06:17. | :06:24. | |
we're dealing with 25,000 people here. The S PA has a duty of care | :06:24. | :06:30. | |
to make sure we deliver best value. It is not in our interest to | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
duplicate anything that is being done. Thank you very much for | :06:34. | :06:40. | |
joining us. We are running out of time. | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
Coming up after the news: Has Scotland missed a trick when it | :06:43. | :06:52. | |
comes to maximising tourism revenue from the Whisky Trail? Let's cross | :06:52. | :07:01. | |
now for the news with Chris Rogers and Alasdair Fraser. | :07:01. | :07:04. | |
The First Minister of Northern Ireland Peter Robinson has said the | :07:04. | :07:07. | |
only way to stop the recent violence there is through political | :07:07. | :07:12. | |
dialogue. He was speaking after 29 police officers were injured in the | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
latest violence linked to a decision to restrict the flying of | :07:15. | :07:23. | |
the Union flag at Belfast City Hall. The debris left behind after a | :07:23. | :07:26. | |
dangerous night. Calm has returned to this part of Belfast, but the | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
violence has been a setback to people working to end the trouble. | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
It is now almost six weeks since the City Council voted to restrict | :07:34. | :07:40. | |
the flying of the Union Flag, sparking a dispute that has brought | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
loyalist onto the streets. The First Minister says violence will | :07:43. | :07:49. | |
achieve nothing. The flag is not going to go up because somebody | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
throws something at a policeman. The only way forward is through the | :07:53. | :07:56. | |
political process. We're trying to encourage people to engage with | :07:56. | :08:02. | |
that and to bring forward channels so that we can talk to people. | :08:02. | :08:07. | |
hopes those initiatives will find a way to stop this kind of trouble. | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
Yesterday, 29 police officers were injured. Their highest casualty | :08:11. | :08:15. | |
figure since the dispute started. The rioting broke out when loyalist | :08:15. | :08:20. | |
returning from a demonstration walk past police officers. Both sides | :08:20. | :08:25. | |
were involved in clashes. Police were attacked with petrol-bombs. | :08:25. | :08:29. | |
This week, senior politicians from Belfast, London and Dublin will | :08:29. | :08:33. | |
hold a meeting where they discussed the trouble. Talks are going on | :08:33. | :08:38. | |
behind the scenes as well. People believe the situation can be | :08:38. | :08:45. | |
resolved, but hopes take a hit with every night of destruction. | :08:45. | :08:48. | |
And eight year-old British girl has been shot dead while on holiday in | :08:48. | :08:55. | |
Jamaica. She was in shock when a gunman opened fire. Several adults | :08:55. | :09:00. | |
will also injured in the attack in a small town on the north coast of | :09:00. | :09:05. | |
the island. A court in Egypt has ordered a | :09:05. | :09:10. | |
retrial after accepting an appeal against the life prison sentence of | :09:10. | :09:15. | |
Hosni Mubarak. He was overthrown in 2011 and imprisoned for failing to | :09:15. | :09:17. | |
prevent the deaths of hundreds of demonstrators during the revolt | :09:17. | :09:23. | |
that forced him from power. Our correspondent is in Cairo. Will | :09:23. | :09:29. | |
this appeal come as a surprise? Not exactly, because his lawyer's | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
have been pushing very hard for the appeal. But it is not just an | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
appeal against the light sentence that he received, but against the | :09:37. | :09:44. | |
entire conviction. So it will be a full retrial. All those | :09:44. | :09:48. | |
extraordinary scenes of Hosni Mubarak appearing in a hospital bed, | :09:48. | :09:53. | |
behind a cage in the Court Room, they will count for nothing now. | :09:53. | :09:57. | |
That has shocked the relatives of the victims, those 850 protesters | :09:57. | :10:02. | |
who were killed during the resolution. They felt that he | :10:02. | :10:05. | |
should in fact I've got a death sentence and found guilty of more | :10:05. | :10:10. | |
serious charges of ordering the killings. But there is a | :10:10. | :10:13. | |
possibility that this could backfire, because he will face all | :10:13. | :10:18. | |
those charges again. But there is a question of course about his health | :10:18. | :10:24. | |
and whether he is in a condition to a retrial because just a couple of | :10:24. | :10:28. | |
weeks ago he slipped in prison and he is actually not in prison any | :10:28. | :10:32. | |
more, he is then a minister it -- military and hospital because he | :10:32. | :10:36. | |
broke a rib. So there are questions about where they can face a retrial | :10:36. | :10:39. | |
at all. That's all for now. There will be | :10:39. | :10:45. | |
for round-up of the day's news here on BBC One at 6 o'clock. | :10:46. | :10:48. | |
Good afternoon. The famous West Highland Way and | :10:49. | :10:51. | |
the Great Glen Way are to benefit from a multi-million pound package | :10:52. | :10:54. | |
of improvements aimed at encouraging more people to enjoy | :10:54. | :11:03. | |
Scotland's forests. The money will be used to create new paths and | :11:03. | :11:13. | |
:11:13. | :11:15. | ||
upgrade existing routes. Calls to NHS 24 should be free of | :11:15. | :11:17. | |
charge, according to the Scottish Conservatives. People in Scotland | :11:17. | :11:20. | |
pay the price of a local phone call when calling the advice service | :11:20. | :11:23. | |
from a landline, with calls from a mobile often costing more. The | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
Scottish government says it's considering adopting a new, free- | :11:26. | :11:33. | |
to-use number. It was a cold start to the morning, | :11:34. | :11:36. | |
let's see if that's going to continue - Christopher has the | :11:36. | :11:46. | |
This afternoon a band of rain, sleet and snow is crossing the | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
country. The biggest risk his eyes and it Met Office warning is in | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
force. On high ground there is likely to be snow, but at lower | :11:53. | :11:59. | |
levels, sleet. The ice risk continues across many roads. A cold | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
afternoon with temperatures for many just two or three degrees. | :12:03. | :12:07. | |
With that southerly breeze - at times, a bitterly cold field. Into | :12:07. | :12:11. | |
the evening, drive for a time with mist and fog before his second band | :12:11. | :12:18. | |
of rain comes in from the West. The ice is still in play, a cold start | :12:18. | :12:23. | |
to the working week. That's all for now, I'll hand you | :12:23. | :12:30. | |
We saw some very poor summer tourism figures emerge this week. | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
So, when much of the industry is closed for winter, we're taking | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
stock of this important sector. A senior figure in the industry has | :12:36. | :12:39. | |
told us there's a missed opportunity to attract high end | :12:39. | :12:42. | |
guests to the Scotch Whisky Trail - and to make them stay, eat and | :12:42. | :12:52. | |
:12:52. | :12:53. | ||
relax nearby. Here's our business and economy editor, Douglas Fraser. | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
Wish You were Here, the vineyards of sup up the car or California? Or | :12:57. | :13:02. | |
here, the distilleries in Scotland. Scotland can't compete with the | :13:02. | :13:10. | |
best of destinations. The Moray of Firth was this week named one of | :13:10. | :13:17. | |
the top coastlines. We should not forget it is as much about myth and | :13:17. | :13:22. | |
kitsch that keeps people coming. I'm from Canberra in Australia and | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
I have come to Scotland because I've heard it's a bit full. | :13:25. | :13:29. | |
last summer, they weren't coming in sufficient numbers. Official | :13:29. | :13:33. | |
figures showed a drop of 12% in the number of overseas visitors, but | :13:33. | :13:39. | |
spending down 8%. UK numbers were down, but by only 3%, underspend | :13:39. | :13:48. | |
was up by 8%. It's not hard to get the main recent -- the main reason. | :13:48. | :13:54. | |
Our biggest market is the home market, Scottish and English | :13:54. | :14:01. | |
markets. So the English market stayed at home. There were a number | :14:01. | :14:06. | |
of one-off circumstances to deal with in terms of economic activity | :14:07. | :14:10. | |
and some businesses have been challenges with the Olympics and | :14:10. | :14:14. | |
people staying at home to watch it. And of course the weather, which | :14:14. | :14:19. | |
hopefully one of stubble not happen in 2013. Scottish tourism has a | :14:19. | :14:25. | |
target set in 2006. Within a decade, it was due to be 50% bigger, but | :14:26. | :14:29. | |
that has gone off track economically. So, how to get | :14:29. | :14:34. | |
tourism back on the right road? I've just been to make a film about | :14:34. | :14:44. | |
:14:44. | :14:46. | ||
the whisky industry. I wasn't the only one looking. A former chairman | :14:46. | :14:54. | |
of visit Scotland, still chairman of Gleneagles Hotel Peter looks to | :14:54. | :15:00. | |
South Africa's Tourism for inspiration. All wineries work | :15:00. | :15:03. | |
together, they all have a great product, or happy to four | :15:03. | :15:07. | |
restaurants, coffee shops, hotels. They are working with the | :15:07. | :15:13. | |
government at all levels to markets are a fickle wind. I see a lost | :15:13. | :15:20. | |
opportunity here. How can we take the islands,, where the industry is | :15:20. | :15:26. | |
a huge player in a fragile, a rural economy and build that into not | :15:26. | :15:33. | |
only a visitor experience but an economy in that area so you have | :15:33. | :15:40. | |
somewhere like a Napa Valley? There is any one place in the world that | :15:40. | :15:47. | |
can call itself the malt whisky valley. This week, a new DEFRA to | :15:47. | :15:51. | |
address that challenge. If a you look at what is happening now in | :15:51. | :15:55. | |
terms of this area, there is a whisky festival that in five days | :15:55. | :16:00. | |
generates �1.2 million. We attract a global market there. As we speak, | :16:00. | :16:04. | |
the malt whisky trail is being re- energised and different leadership | :16:04. | :16:09. | |
and I think you will see a much higher profile. So there is at | :16:09. | :16:11. | |
least agreement on making better use of the whisky. And yes, I've | :16:11. | :16:16. | |
been working on it as well. Joining us from our Inverness | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
studio is Scottish Labour's Highlands & Islands MSP Rhoda Grant, | :16:19. | :16:22. | |
who sits on the Economy, Energy & Tourism Committee. And with me in | :16:22. | :16:30. | |
the studio, for the SNP, the South Scotland MSP, Joan McAlpine. | :16:30. | :16:33. | |
First of all, Joan McAlpine, Peter made an interesting point there. | :16:34. | :16:37. | |
Are we missing the point that I have a really good malt whisky | :16:37. | :16:45. | |
valley with a whisky trail? I think there are opportunities as you were | :16:45. | :16:48. | |
saying in the film. There are opportunities that are being | :16:48. | :16:53. | |
improved this year. Certainly, when you look at the new markets coming | :16:53. | :16:57. | |
in, Scottish whisky went up 20% in terms of exports last year and a | :16:57. | :17:02. | |
lot of those markets in places like emergency -- emerging economies, | :17:02. | :17:08. | |
Brazil and China, can take more of a quality product. So I think it's | :17:08. | :17:13. | |
a good idea but good things are already happening. Rhoda Grant, do | :17:13. | :17:16. | |
you think the government should invest some money in trying to | :17:16. | :17:20. | |
improve the malt whisky valley and emulate what we see in the Napa | :17:20. | :17:26. | |
Valley? Yes, I think they have a role in this and many to take it | :17:26. | :17:33. | |
seriously. We have an iconic drink, we are able to say that across the | :17:33. | :17:37. | |
world. We need to bring people into Scotland and give them a really | :17:37. | :17:44. | |
good experience on the back of that. Yes, the distilleries are there and | :17:44. | :17:47. | |
they are marketing themselves with facilities, but we need facilities | :17:47. | :17:53. | |
locally that people can come and stay, with things like golf, that | :17:53. | :17:56. | |
come hand in hand with the whisky trail that we should also be | :17:56. | :18:00. | |
marketing at the same time. Frankly, we need to look at the road now | :18:00. | :18:07. | |
work there as well, to get people transported into the area easily. | :18:07. | :18:09. | |
Some of the roads are in a disgraceful state. The Scottish | :18:10. | :18:14. | |
government need to look at that. Joan McAlpine, in a documentary | :18:14. | :18:18. | |
this week we saw a professor calling for a could do -- a | :18:18. | :18:21. | |
production tax on whisky that could pulling it billion pounds of | :18:21. | :18:25. | |
revenue. Wouldn't that be a good idea to help fund Scotland's | :18:25. | :18:33. | |
budget? The first of all, I'd like to congratulate that film, we need | :18:33. | :18:39. | |
to see more of that about aspects of Scottish Life and the economy. I | :18:39. | :18:45. | |
think the fact he was addressing was that under the current devolved | :18:45. | :18:48. | |
settlement, Scott and that I Scotland doesn't actually get any | :18:48. | :18:52. | |
of the money that whisky makes. It made �4.2 billion last year and | :18:52. | :18:57. | |
that is �1 billion coming into the UK Exchequer. Rather than taxing it | :18:57. | :19:00. | |
twice as he suggests, which she would have to do under the present | :19:00. | :19:04. | |
devolved system, if we get an independent Scotland, the money | :19:04. | :19:08. | |
that currently goes to the UK would come to Scotland. I think that | :19:08. | :19:12. | |
probably a bit more sensible and realistic and taxing the product | :19:12. | :19:16. | |
twice. So in an independent Scotland would you tax the whisky | :19:17. | :19:21. | |
industry? Were well, obviously all governments tax industries. You get | :19:21. | :19:25. | |
the VAT tax, the money that is raced through people who work in | :19:25. | :19:32. | |
industry. So one interesting thing that the film highlighted is the UK | :19:33. | :19:38. | |
does not protect the industry in terms of headquarters being set up | :19:38. | :19:43. | |
in London. What about a production tax, Rhoda Grant? I would have to | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
say that what Joan McAlpine was saying is absolutely ridiculous. Of | :19:47. | :19:51. | |
course we get our share of taxes through the UK Exchequer. That | :19:51. | :19:55. | |
money comes to Scotland as well, so that is just a myth that the SNP | :19:56. | :20:01. | |
want to portray to encourage people along the road to independence, | :20:01. | :20:06. | |
which is absolutely untrue. According to our production tax, | :20:06. | :20:10. | |
frankly, the Scottish government have a social responsibility that | :20:10. | :20:16. | |
is already legislated for. Are they going to raise taxes... A I'm | :20:16. | :20:20. |