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Good morning. We'll come to Sunday politics. The worst hostage crisis
in British history has ended with terrible loss of life in Algeria.
What happens now it as the desert wastes of North Africa become the
new front against terrorism. David Cameron's big speech on
Europe is delayed but it will be this week. Shadow Foreign Secretary
Douglas Alexander joins us close-up the Tories prepare to take on the
teachers in a row over performance- related pay.
We will it improve standards in schools? And on Sunday Politics
Scotland, more on the UK's relationship with Europe and what
it could mean for Scotland. We'll hear from the leader of UKIP,
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Nigel Farage, and the SNP MEP Alyn Headteachers are professional
people who know how to conduct appraisals of up we will be able to
look at the overall effect. Does that mean you'll have to be nice to
the head teacher? OFSTED will look at how they conduct their
appraisals. The head teacher will be appraised by the governing body.
The head teachers seem to what this move, at the what this discretion
and think it will be better for teachers? Will be academies
arrangement, it has been possible for those schools to opt out. They
have not chosen to do it. Why not? They have it in the academies so
why are they not doing it? Most academies sign up to the document
and that document will be revised for September. What the Government
is trying to do is change the culture in our schools so that we
can raise the status of the teaching profession and reward the
best teachers. That is what happens to professionals outside of
teaching. Given that there is not much money in the Budget, does it
not follow that funds are limited so if you pay one person more, you
have to freeze me or pay me less? Head teachers have to marshal their
budgets very closely and they have to have the flexibility to reward
the best teachers with the best pay rises. That is he you raise
standards. You exist on national pay bargaining. This would be the
end of the national pay bargaining? What we have had is a review system
for quite a long time and I can assure you there is the lot a
bargaining at other levels. The National Union of Teachers are
concerned about a lot of things - the curriculum and the state of
education... Do you feel strongly enough about this to take
industrial action? What we want to do is make the case for saying that
one of the difficulties if you break up the system is that every
single school will have to pay -- have their own pay arrangements.
That means they could take it their eye off the importance aspects.
is about using the appraisal system to identify what training is needed
to nurture teachers. Teachers are brought on Andy extra flexibility
they have could lead to more Good morning and welcome to Sunday
Politics Scotland. Coming up on the programme today. David Cameron will
now make his much trailed Europe Speech this week. So in theory, if
there's a Yes vote in the independence referendum, 2015 could
see a Scottish government negotiating to hug Brussels closer,
whilst a Westminster government could manoeuvre to pull in the
opposite direction. We'll be talking live to the UKIP Leader
Nigel Farage and the SNP MEP Alyn Smith.
It's been 20 years since the Czech and Slovak republics separated in
the velvet divorce. As time moves on, we ask if there are any big
lessons to be learned from how they negotiated their parting?
And as MSPs look at ways to further reduce teen pregnancy, we ask: why
it is so high in the country's It was the speech that never was.
But David Cameron still plans to set out his vision for the UK's
future in Europe this week. With plenty of red meat to satisfy Tory
Eurosceptics. There are two inter- twined strands to this debate, of
course, as we in Scotland debate independence in Europe. Raymond
Buchanan examines how Edinburgh and London view Brussels in their very
different ways. Will come to European politics. The
latest EU deal struck last Friday was a bit fish. It's a subject that
unites the SNP and the Scottish Conservatives. Both parties what
the way in which European deals like this are but radically changes
but on other issues they are not so united, not least in how close a
relationship Scotland and Britain should have led the EU. David
Cameron's cancelled speech was to argue for a new European deal
warning the institutions were increasingly isolating those they
were supposed to serve. The SNP's policy on Europe is becoming more
pragmatic. In terms of returning to the original narratives, we want
independence in Europe. This is very clear and quite distinct from
Westminster politics. It is very likely the SNP will decide this
could be one of their strong cards in the end and we shall see how
Europe plays into the debate. this week, the Deputy First
Minister Nicola Sturgeon will give a speech in Dublin outlining the
SNP's vision for an independent Scotland at the heart of Europe.
She will contrast the certainty of her party's commitment to the EU
with David Cameron's questioning of it. Which of these is closest to
the Scottish people? Evidence of Scottish attitudes has been a
little bit more pro EU than the UK as a whole but we have to presume
that Scotland is also predominantly in the eurosceptic mood. This may
question the SNP's strategy of being pro-European, not shared by
all nationalists. It is very ironic because the yes campaign is not
eurosceptic in itself. The official campaign echoes what the boss says
and if Alex Salmond says we are going to be in Europe, you'd better
like it! David Cameron is facing criticism from his own side not
least from former Deputy Prime Minister Michael Heseltine. He said
the strategy was ill-advised and potentially damaging to business.
European politics has often been messy but this week's fish stocks
shows a deal is often done. The question is what kind of
relationship Scotland and Britain what with the their neighbours. I'm
now joined from London by the leader of the UK Independence Party,
Nigel Farage, and from our Edinburgh studio by Alyn Smith, the
SNP MEP. Good morning to you both. First of
all, are you hoping to capitalise on David Cameron's European moves
here in Scotland? The whole Scottish debate has been very odd
because of this whole campaign the SNP have led for independence - you
cannot be independent if you also want to be part of the European
Union. The entire Scottish debates really is being redefined in the
radical way and I never thought I would say this but thank you, up
Jose Manuel Barroso, for making it absolutely clear that if Scotland
it believes the United Kingdom, she would have to sign a new treaty
that would commit her to signing up to the European currency. That has
made a bigger difference in the Scottish debate than anything that
has happened before it. Turning to the SNP, you're party attacks
eurosceptics. Perhaps in Scotland we few things a little differently.
You would only get about 3% of the vote here in Scotland. The reason
we have done poorly in Scotland is because the word, independence,
means something different in Scottish politics that has never
really been properly examined. Up people can see bracingly that what
is offered from Scotland is not independence but in fact at a
deeper dependency and the total loss of democracy to European
institutions. Recent opinion polls back this up. We are now in a
position where UKIP can make advance is in Scotland. They are
very clear statement there. You are hoping to capitalise on David
Cameron's moves but it seems you might be slightly expose their.
What does independence really mean? Coming in the taxi here this
morning I made a decision to be nice to Nigel and praise some of
the advances may have made an their concessions to wait disgruntled
Middle England. That is a clear statement but that is completely
fictitious. Jose Mau Mau of are also absolutely did not say there
would be a new treaty. He said if the state leaves that does not
negotiate that is a poor country. - - Jose Manuel Barroso. We have
allowed in Scotland for 30 years Scotland's interests to be decided
and represented by successive UK ministers who have neither shared
our beliefs nor articulated them well. It is no surprise we have not
done as well as we could have done by a representing ourselves. The
idea that Ireland caused much Denmark, Sweden, Finland are not
independent is absurd. I am glad to see EU kept getting asked some
difficult questions because they can pull together saw the empty --
sovereignty. In order to do that, we need to be at the table doing
some heavy lifting not posturing We are hearing it from the Deputy
First Minister that a UK pulls out of Europe it will have a chilling
effect. Better to be at the heart of it rather than on the sidelines,
as Alyn Smith put at. What would happen to common
fisheries is we would be like nor way. The management of those waters
would purely be the responsibility of elected Scottish officials. Tens
of thousands more jobs in at the Scottish fishing industry alone. I
do not buy the scare stories that if we are not part of the European
Union cannot go on doing business with them. Mercedes and Volkswagen
will want to keep selling of their cars in their United Kingdom
regardless of whether we are part of a political union or not. At the
heart of this is that you cannot be independent if 75% of your laws are
made by foreign institutions. Scotland would frankly be so small
it would be irrelevant. I want to pick up on that. You want
the Common Fisheries Policy and renegotiated. You are not happy
with the Common Agricultural Policy. You voted against with Labour. If
you are not as pro-European as you portray yourself.
With respect of the whole debate is wrong. It tries to drill things
down to black and white. The only question for the SNP is, what is in
the best interests of Scotland? That doesn't mean we think
everything in the European Union as super. There is lots of reform I
would happily see. Ruinous journeys to Strasbourg every month and good.
Lots of things need to be changed. But Nigel has made a point
repeatedly, unchallenged. I specifically sought membership of
the Switzerland - and more weight delegation of the parliament. We go
to them every six months. The Norwegians have just concluded a 20
you study about the functioning of the agreement. They concluded that
they are more integrated into law than the UK as by virtue of the
fact they are fully signed-up to be showing an accords, whereas they --
we are not. -- Schengen. Nigel is a world-class snake-oil salesman but
the people of Scotland are not buying it.
Lots of people in Scotland are saying that they SNP are not being
clear about what might happen with the currency and the poor controls.
-- border. We are being clear, if you take the
time to read what we are saying. What is a very clear is that the
European Union will not want to lose us. We do not want to leave.
We can be part of a coalition for change. The reason that Prime
Minister Cameron went to the Netherlands is because they are
currently reviewing their European Union arrangements. As is the case
in Finland. Other ways of doing this are possible.
I want to pick up. About border controls. You mentioned a possible
influx of Romanians and Bulgarians in at 2015. Do you appreciate that
the attitude in Scotland is a slightly different?
Yes, they have not had a massive migration that parts of England has.
My attitude towards foreign workers is that if they are skilled, great.
But we should not discriminate in favour of people from Europe and
the caressed the rest of the world. -- against. The anger in England,
which will spread to Scotland, is that next year we are letting in
two incredibly poor countries. Does people will be entitled to come not
just to work but to gain access to benefits immediately. This will
become an issue in British politics. What is the SNP policy?
I get uncomfortable hearing an Englishman talk about migration. It
jars with my world-view. The people of Scotland are best placed to
decide who lives here and watch our arrangement with the rest of Europe
should be. Freedom of movement is a crucial part of the European the
raison d'etre. To improve the fortunes of Romania and Bulgaria is
to trade with them and a single market and bring up living
standards towards European averages. Immigration is a different subject
in Scotland. Nigel, you want Scotland that they
cannot expect a blank cheque in the event of independence.
The fact is that the European Union imperialists are bringing in poorer
and poorer countries. The even want Turkey to join. There is unanimity
on that. You will become a net pay her into a system where you will
not be allowed to catch your own cash in your own waters. Frankly,
the European Union is good for professional career politicians but
not for ordinary people. A quick work?
I am not sure I am gay career professional politician. -- I am
not sure that I am a career politician. We have the ability to
work with our friends and colleagues to achieve better things
than the otherwise would. There is nothing wrong with membership that
would be put right by independence and speaking for ourselves. -- that
won't be put right. The Czech and Slovak republics
glided apart 20 years ago. For many it is an interesting comparison for
Scottish independence, if we reach that stage. We travelled east to
find out more. Pride is a city of a romance and a revolution. -- --
Prague. Protests here caused Czech communism to melt away. The country
split in two. Slovakia celebrated independence at the time. 20 years
later, in the capital, Bratislava, the Government say that statehood
has paid off. People said it was not the best
idea but right now we are doing very well, the Czech Republic are
doing very well and our friendship is better than ever.
Things were more sombre in the Czech Republic. Two decades later,
a mixed assessment is offered. Being a prime minister, it has some
advantages, but the international weight of both republics together
his lesser in -- in the former -- lesser than the former
Czechoslovakia. The history of post-communist
central Europe is dramatically different from the United Kingdom.
But both sides over the debate in Scottish independence attempted to
draw lessons from the so called a velvet divorce. The Sunday politics
has learned that Alex Salmond met the Czech Republic President at the
Olympics and John Swinney held informal talks with his counterpart
in crack. We do not know what was discussed. -- in Prague.
Emotions run high. Things happen which you do not foresee in advance.
I would say, be careful, go step by step.
In Czechoslovakia the step that they must was to consult the people
in a referendum. That is one aspect of the history here that will not
be repeated in Scotland. With me now is professor James
Mitchell, the head of the school of Government and Public Policy at
Strathclyde University. It is an important decision. How easy is it
to make this a Scottish comparison? There are certain things in the
Czechoslovak in situation which are relevant to our situation, but much
that is irrelevant. Clearly, Czechoslovakia was a very different
state. It was part of the Soviet system. That meant a different
economy to the type that we have in the United Kingdom and Scotland. In
that respect, given that economics is terribly important, it was
different. But on the other hand they had to feel their way. There
are no clear rules and regulations, it is about negotiation.
95% of negotiations taking place before Independence Day.
Yes. People ask, be negotiate before, or or only after everything
is complete? And there was still the glossy sheen so many years
after the symbolic independence. -- still negotiations. But I suspect
that a symbolic date would be agreed in the case of Scott and yet
there would still be much to be discussed. -- in the case of
Scotland. But this was a very grown-up way of
doing things. Yes, that is why they call it the
velvet divorce. At the moment there are all sorts of suggestions that
the UK Government would not be willing to operate in negotiations
but we can forget all that, it is just part of the campaign. If
independence was to be voted for, clearly it would be in the
interests of England to negotiate, because it needs to a good
neighbour. So there would be rational behaviour.
And political parties were packing up the similarities. The SNP said
that the Czechs and Slovaks are doing very well economic life.
Others said that exports went down. Both sides are keen to find the
similarities. Yes, they will pick and choose that
and anything else that suits their argument. But clearly it was far
less disruptive and took far less time. But over time what is
interesting is not that both countries have succeeded but are
coming back together and discussing things. At the end of last year
there was a joint cabinet meeting they between the two countries. So
it is conceivable you can vote for independence yet start to work
together closely again. They did not have a referendum. There are
perhaps still some regrets about that nowadays.
Yes, the evidence is that most people would not have voted for it
back then. But that today they are satisfied and there is a sense that
it has succeeded. I suspect that if it was put to referendum today, the
status quo would be accepted. What will be the SNP policy of
negotiating their way back into Europe?
Their position is probably a mistake I think. They adopted a
position insisting that Scotland would automatically have membership
of the E u. I can understand why. They want to the issue of people it
will not be disruptive. But I think it might be in the best interests
of Scotland to find themselves outside the European Union and then
they go seat to join. What we know is that once you become a member,
your position is weakened. You may go seating position. We can see
this with David Cameron, we conceded back in the 1970s, we have
accepted treaties, and now he is saying, we don't like this. That is
very difficult. The strongest position to be and as to be outside
at the outset, negotiating and. We have lots of bargaining chips.
What is the tenor of the debate? It is fairly acrimonious. I think
there is a lot more when you wants to the debate that we need to bring
out. -- nuance. We have claims and counter-claims and all sides need
to move towards more nuance and acceptance. Some of the claims and
counter-claims are absorbed. It could be very complex.
It will be complex. We're discussing British and Scottish
membership if they European Union. But I think it is better to talk in
terms of relationships. How do we relate to London government? How do
we relate to Brussels? Thank you for joining us. We are
The Prime Minister says that three British nationals that none to been
killed in the Algerian hostage crisis. Algeria says that its
special forces ended the stand-off yesterday because Islamist
militants were planning to blow up the site.
The four bases she is finally over. These pictures are believed to show
one of the first attempt Spike Algerian forces to end it. These
are glimpses of the ordeal suffered by the hostages. The pictures show
hostages surrendering before the kidnappers. The responsibility for
these deaths lies squarely with the terrorists. I would also say that
when you're dealing with a terrorist incident on this scale,
it is extremely difficult to respond and to get this right in
every respect. The crisis began early on Saturday morning. On
Thursday, an initial assault by Algerian forces killed militants
and captives of will other hostages managed to escape. With 11 gunmen
still holed up, the Algerian army stormed the complex again. The
special British consulate team has been sent to the rear to help the
survivors and repay create the dead. These pictures shown an Algerian
television are said to be part of the Arsenal used by militants and
Mrs apparently what one freed hostage sock. Another indication of
the horrors of the past few days. Tributes have been paid to four
climbers cut by an avalanche in the Scottish Highlands. ACE service was
held in their memory any church in Glencore.
Around 260 flights are to be cancelled at Heathrow and several
Eurostar trains between London, Brussels and Paris are also
cancelled. Ice and freezing temperatures are expected along
with a more snow for next week. It has been snowing heavily on
Cambridgeshire for the past hour. Snow and ice are causing problems
on and gritted roads and we're expecting significant snowfall here
as well as in the south-east, eastern parts, the North Midlands
and possibly north-east Wales. The advice for motorists is to check
forecasts before travelling and be aware of ACE conditions. You are
also advised to check you're transport services are running
before leave him home. That's all for now. More news on
BBC One at 6 o'clock. Good afternoon. Prayers were said
this morning for four climbers who were killed in an avalanche in
Glencoe yesterday. A man and a woman survived. The woman suffered
serious head injuries and is being treated in hospital in Fort William.
From Glencoe, here's our reporter Laura Bicker.
This is the south face where the six climbers were making their way
down when an avalanche struck. One of them is still seriously ill in
hospital, but sadly the bodies of four climbers were recovered by
medical rescue teams yesterday. Prayers are being said this
lunchtime in the local church for them and their families. It is
thought at this stage that a slab of snow simply went from underneath
the climbers and we got to know more about what happened and why
from the police this afternoon. It's unclear how many people with
Scottish connections are among those still missing or unaccounted
for after the Algerian hostage crisis. Prime Minister David
Cameron this morning confirmed that three British nationals are known
to have been killed in the incident. Three more are feared to have died,
and a UK resident has also been killed. Scottish families are
waiting to hear news of loved ones. My only real concern at the moment
is there are still families watching this programme desperately
waiting for news and the need to note that the British government's
officials are working hard to make sure that any information is the
lot of them as quickly as possible. A registration scheme for landlords
has resulted in 100 applicants being turned down over the past
five years, according to figures obtained by the Scottish
Conservatives. Landlords have contributed �11 million in fees,
while the Scottish Government paid more than �5 million of the start
up costs. Ministers say the scheme was designed to provide reassurance
to tenants rather than generate criminal prosecutions.
Onto the weather now. It will be another cold day, with widespread
another cold day, with widespread frosty conditions. Rather cloudy in
the east with further wintry showers. Drier and brighter in the
west and north with sunny spells, but the odd snow flurry here too.
It will be very cold this evening with some clear spells, but these
will be mostly in the northwest with eastern parts staying mostly
That's all for now, I'll hand you back to Andrew.
We heard about Glencore in the news. We can cross now to Aberdeen where
the First Minister joins us. First of all, your reaction to the
tragic news? It is an appalling and tragic day. Four people lost their
lives and a lady is being treated in hospital. She has been
transferred to the Southern General and hospital where she is
critically ill. It is the very serious is the that in tragic
circumstances. Our thoughts go out to the relatives who have lost
their lives. It is the time of year when incidents occur. Are we doing
enough to warn people about what can happen? The Scottish mountains
are breathtakingly beautiful but clearly a very dangerous place.
That is known and understood. We have made huge advances and
climbers and made in years are by and large much better prepared and
warned and equipped than before, but none the less, the Scottish
mountains in January it are not, and it was not the most difficult
conditions yesterday, but they are inherently dangerous places. Not
all fatalities on Scottish mountains are accidents are
incidents but none the less they are a dangerous place. It is the
sport and the recreation that gives untold pleasure to tens of
thousands of people, and the general story is that despite the
fact there are many more people going out walking in the Scottish
hills, because people were better prepared and more aware, the
general trend of accidents has been downwards over the last 20 years.
Every fatality is the tragedy and a very incident is deeply regret it.
If we turn our attention now to another tragic incident in Algeria.
Just to get some clarity. We heard that a number of Scottish residents
were held hostage and are now safe and well. Last night, the Scottish
government expressed concerns that Scots or people with Scottish
connections are believed to be among the dead or missing. D you
have any updates? The position is that two Scots, not necessarily a
resident but never the less Gotts, are believed to have been killed. -
- Scots. Police are now just onside in Algeria or an formal
identification has not been made but families were informed of the
maximum amount of information yesterday. Two Scottish family's
have been informed that their loved ones are believed to have been
killed. It Scots have returned from Algeria or under either with their
families or en route. If they're not with their families already,
the very soon will be. Eight families will be celebrating the
return of their loved ones but two Scots are believed to have been
killed. It is the developing situation and has been called the
new front in the war against terror. Would you be happy with the UK
tried to take part and helped with that? Obviously there has to be a
priority in this area that perhaps in the recent past has not been
given. The North African desk was recently demoted and the Foreign
Office but there is a realisation that Mrs Annie area we should be
given much more priority. In terms of assistance and and terms of the
safety of UK nationals, of course, all assistance should be given. If
you're asking my opinion on an armed intervention in North Africa,
I do not think it is being sought in Algeria and as you know, my
views on these matters is you need to be extraordinarily cautious
before you start talking about committing soldiers on the ground.
I do not think anyone is Seriously talking about that at the moment.
There is the major difference between seeing and the up as a
priority and not allowing it to disappear from the radar on
security grounds, and with putting troops into I'll GDR. Scottish
workers at real risk here, many from your constituency. Can we do
more to help protect Scots who going abroad and are living in
these areas? Apart from the general co-operation in terms of security
and in terms of the oil companies who are well versed in this. I have
been to a number of situations. Apart from taking these precautions,
for people and the oil industry, the understand that many oil
provinces have been unstable and dangerous places. That does not
mean you can neglect or be in any sense accepting of the risks people
take, but these risks are well known. The service companies are
aware of them. The maximum effort must be made to make security a
lair. In policy terms, what is clear from the tragedy and the it
rage of the last week is that any thought that North Africa or
Algeria is less of a potentially difficult and dangerous place
should be removed entirely. It should certainly be a foreign
policy priority and they would have thought that is pretty obvious from
the recent tragic a bits. -- events. Why are girls from deprived areas
of the country more likely to become teenage mums than those who
are better off? It's an issue being examined by a Health Committee at
Holyrood next month. They're calling for evidence on why
Scotland continues to have one of the highest levels of teen
pregnancy in Western Europe and whether we are doing enough to
bring about real and lasting change. Hayley Jarvis reports.
Katharine Mackie was 16 and living in Commander up when she fell
pregnant. When I first found out I was pregnant it was a big shock to
me. I really thought this was my life over. She is now 21 and has
the second daughter with her partner. Although she has no
regrets about having children at the young age, she feels not many
opportunities were open to have at that time. No employers were taking
me. I felt like I was getting nowhere. I was trying and getting
nothing. All I did was be at home and looked after her. What am I
going to do? While numbers have fallen in each of the past four
years, Scotland still has one of the highest rates of teenage
pregnancy in western Europe but figures vary greatly across the
country with figures showing women under 20 are living in poor areas
are 10 times more likely to have a child and twice as likely to have
an abortion than those who are better off. Why is there such a
link between poor Bertie and teenage pregnancy? It depends on
the options available to you. If you are looking at forfeiting ad to
be on a future career, that is going to influence your choices. If
what you see is an employment and a paucity of opportunity, this baby
means you have a role once you can become a mother and fit into the
community in which you live and be respected, that might be influenced
that choice. NHS Scotland are trying to reduce the number of
unplanned pregnancies through sex education and access to
contraception but see in deprived areas there are other issues.
of it is to do with aspiration and lifelong ambition. What are you
looking for a few do not have a job? It is about how people develop
relationships because we know some people are looking at developing a
bond with something they laugh because they did not necessarily
have that with their family. Study in Dundee which has the
highest rate of teenage pregnancy in the country found that a lack of
confidence could also be a reason. If people come from difficult
backgrounds, a lot needs to be done to make sure they have those skills
to mean they can say no. Up teenage pregnancy can have a long lasting
impact but Katharine who is now getting advice from the centre in
Glasgow, says it can be a positive thing. I was very young but some
people want that in their life and if they think they can handle it
and have that support, just to have that in your life. MSPs will begin
taking evidence next week on how to reduce pregnancies and to support
those who find themselves parents I am joined by the chief executive
of the charity, Children First, and a director of the Royal College of
midwives in Scotland. We have got some of the worst rates in western
Europe. Are you trying to identify some underlying causes?
It is complex. You have a batten young people at different issues.
There are those who are into binge drinking and substance abuse. We
often hear from young people who do not realise they are not in a fit
state. That is one group. Then there is another group, who are
possibly ambivalent or even want to have children, for all these
reasons mentioned, perhaps not seen a role for themselves, not having a
career to look for two, so having a baby is a way of saying, I am a
mother now, I have some body. But there are also lots of things about
young people who find it difficult to negotiate relationships, talk
about sex, about competence -- about contraception. It is not
enough for us to just say, this is a condom, this is how you use it.
It is about negotiating relationships. Are very complex
area. And there is an emotional
fulfilment that some youngsters might be looking for.
Undoubtedly. We must not judge. Not all young teenage mothers are a bad
mothers. We have to get that right. Lots of them are good mothers who
just need support. We have to look and ask, how can we help and
support these young people? There has been some work done by the
family and a spark a ship, looking at that. It is a very good in the
City. -- the family - nerves partnership. - a very good
development. They do not realise that this is a 24 hour commitment.
And the role of young fathers? Contrary to the stereotype many
want to get involved but do not know how to.
Absolutely. We were involved in research talking to young fathers.
Many of them wanted to have a role in their child's life. Not
necessarily marriage and happy ever after, but they wanted some role,
some level of responsibility. Yet they felt they were often sidelined.
It comes back to the whole thing about relationships. How do we
maximise people's involvement in relationships? Make sure that it
works? I'll be it they might not be living together.
You mentioned the family - nurse partnership.
That has been completely funded by the Scottish Government. All the
parties have an interest but this administration have really driven
the partnership. In Lothian we had the pilot. We absolutely involved
the young fathers. It is not about providing clinical careful stock
that is done by a midwife. This is about supporting parenting. --
clinical care. It will be rolled out elsewhere. We will see success,
although it is for a certain group of young ladies who are under 19
years of age. What is the key thing in reducing teenage pregnancies?
Making sure that what is talked about his health the relationship
young people are also not convinced about confidentiality and are
worried that any one they talk to will immediately talk to their
mothers. And the need to understand about, -- contraception. As a
country we have a long way to go when it comes to been honest and
talking about sex. How can we expect young people to deal with it
when they look at older people who are still embarrassed? Smaller
groups, not great big classes. That involves resources. And resources
are patchy across Scotland. We need to roll them out more consistently.
We will soon discuss the events of next week but let's look back at
Both the House of Commons and the House of Lords approved a section
30 order. Legal powers will pass to Holyrood to hold the independence
referendum. The Labour leader of Glasgow City
Council made a public apology after police reported him to the
Procurator Fiscal for an alleged indecency with another man. He
remains in post. A call has gone out for 1,500
volunteers to help out at the Glasgow Commonwealth Games.
And Gordon Strachan is settling into life as the new Scotland
football manager. I am very proud. My family are proud. My wife, my
mother, my grand children, children, friends.
And it snowed! I am joined by a trio of political
pundits. The Scottish Correspondent from the Guardian, the Spectator,
and in Dundee, the Scottish political editor of the Sun. We had
a European discussion at the top of the programme. What did you make of
the discussion between Nigel Farage and Alyn Smith?
Nigel Farage is a good walk on Act but Alyn Smith was much closer to
where the debate will be. The UK Independence Party poll only in the
tens of thousands at their best. So their position will not have
popular support of attraction here. Smith was right, this is more a
question of relationships within the European Union. I mentioned the
article in the Herald by the Deputy First Minister, quoting Nick Clegg.
Talking about the chilling effect that a European exit could mean.
Nigel Farage not getting much attraction here.
That is certainly the case. Nick Clegg and the nationalists making
the same argument. But it is the same argument by Unionists make
about Scott and leading the United Kingdom, so a certain irony. --
Scotland. There is an assumption that Scotland is a better, more
progressive place than to the south. In actual fact, Euro-sceptics are
quite widespread in Scotland. But there is a difference in terms of
the intensity, compared with parts of the south-east of England. But
the European Union is not particularly popular in Scotland,
it is just not afforded the same importance in the overall political
landscape as it is in the south of England.
Do you think there's any Euro- scepticism in Scotland?
We heard already by looking at the question, if you wear and already
in the union, would you join it now? -- if you were not already.
There was a great star mash about the question of legal advice, are
we in or out of Europe? Well perhaps we will be out of Europe
anyway even if we stayed in the UK. That will all come and to the
independence referendum brew. I think one mistake that has been
made, strategically, the SNP has either by accident or design
allowed their policy to be conflated with what independence
might mean for Scotland. Lots of these decisions are matters for the
Scottish people if and when we become independent.
I want to look at another story in the Scotland on Sunday. An
exclusive about and you report, a new blueprint for extending
devolution. -- a new report. What do you make of this?
This is familiar territory. An organisation already put forward
something similar. But this is very much aware of the counter argument
to independence will be fully formed. Labour will come quite
close to this proposition, the Liberal Democrats are already
beyond it. So it is shaping up into a proper debate about the Scottish
future, greater revolution or and Alex Salmond version of
independence within the European Union.
And there is no offer from the pro- union parties as to what might
happen in a post referendum Scotland following a yes vote?
I take the view, what has taken you so long? I remember writing
editorials for the Scotland on Sunday more than a decade ago
arguing for extract evolution. It is based on a fundamental right and
principle. A parliament with the power to spend but not tax is
fundamentally irresponsible and cannot be expected to have the
incentives to govern effectively and sensibly. So this is part of a
process. The new Scotland Bill will introduce taxation powers of a
level that far exceed what has previously been available at
Holyrood. Lots of the chattering classes have yet to come to terms
with the opportunities. It is a work in progress.
Well the other pro-union parties get behind us? The Tories?
I have my doubts! I remember Alex Douglas-Home telling us that if we
all voted No in the last referendum a better policy would come along in
a minute. That did not happen. These parties are saying that they
are open to extra day evolution but only after we both know to
independence. If they were serious they could bring forward a Bill on
Westminster so that we know the alternative to voting no.
This is the direction of travel across the whole of the United
Kingdom. Wheels are talking about it. Northern Ireland are talking
Political magazine presented by Andrew Neil and Isabel Fraser.