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Welcome to the Sunday Politics, coming to you live from Edinburgh. | :00:37. | :00:43. | |
Terrorists who use the name Islamic State have carried out | :00:44. | :00:45. | |
their threat to murder the British aid worker, David Haines. | :00:46. | :00:53. | |
They released a video late last night, showing a masked man | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
beheading Mr Haines, who was taken captive in Syria 18 months ago. | :00:57. | :01:02. | |
The jihadist group have already beheaded two American journalists. | :01:03. | :01:04. | |
Now it's threatening the life of a second British hostage. | :01:05. | :01:07. | |
David Cameron described the murder as an act of pure evil. | :01:08. | :01:09. | |
As we speak he's chairing a meeting of the Cabinet's COBRA | :01:10. | :01:12. | |
President Obama said the US stood shoulder to shoulder | :01:13. | :01:16. | |
Alex Salmond says Scotland "stands on the cusp of history" as | :01:17. | :01:23. | |
he predicts a historic and substantial victory in | :01:24. | :01:25. | |
As the latest polls show the two sides neck and neck, | :01:26. | :01:34. | |
I'll ask Yes campaigner and socialist Tommy Sheridan about his | :01:35. | :01:36. | |
And after last week's last-minute interventions from Gordon Brown | :01:37. | :01:44. | |
David Cameron, Ed Miliband and big business, I'll ask | :01:45. | :01:46. | |
In the Southeast: As the prdssures it's enough to win over waverers. | :01:47. | :01:57. | |
In the Southeast: As the prdssures rise from desperate migrants trying | :01:58. | :02:00. | |
step closer back to Parliament. Is it a lame-duck administration? | :02:01. | :02:13. | |
Late last night, as most folk were preparing for bed, news broke that | :02:14. | :02:16. | |
Islamic State extremists had carried out their threat to murder the | :02:17. | :02:19. | |
The group released a video, similar to the ones in which two American | :02:20. | :02:23. | |
journalists were decapitated, showing a masked man apparently | :02:24. | :02:25. | |
beheading Mr Haines who was taken captive in Syria last year. | :02:26. | :02:29. | |
The terrorist, who has a southern British accent, | :02:30. | :02:31. | |
also threatened the life of a second hostage from the UK | :02:32. | :02:35. | |
Mr Haines is the third Westerner to be killed | :02:36. | :02:37. | |
His family have paid tribute to his humanitarian work; they say he | :02:38. | :02:42. | |
David Cameron described the murder as an act of pure evil, and said | :02:43. | :02:49. | |
his heart went out to Mr Haines family, who had shown extraordinary | :02:50. | :02:52. | |
Mr Cameron went on to say, "We will do everything in our power | :02:53. | :03:02. | |
to hunt down these murderers and ensure they face justice, | :03:03. | :03:04. | |
Mr Haines was born in England and brought up in Scotland. | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond condemned the killing on the Marr | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
Well, it's an act of unspeakable barbarism that we have seen. | :03:14. | :03:27. | |
Obviously our condolences go to the family members of David Haynes who | :03:28. | :03:33. | |
have borne this with such fortitude in recent months -- David | :03:34. | :03:39. | |
Alex Salmond was also asked whether he supported military action | :03:40. | :03:42. | |
Haines there is no reason to believe whatsoever that China or Russia or | :03:43. | :03:54. | |
any country will see their will to deal with this barbarism. There is a | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
will for effective, international, legal action but it must come in | :04:00. | :04:02. | |
that fashion, and I would urge that to be a consideration to develop a | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
collective response to what is a threat to humanity. | :04:09. | :04:10. | |
Our security correspondent Gordon Corera joins me now | :04:11. | :04:12. | |
Gordon, as we speak, the Cobra emergency meeting is meeting yet | :04:13. | :04:24. | |
again. It meets a lot these days. I would suggest that the options | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
facing this committee and Mr Cameron are pretty limited. That's right. I | :04:30. | :04:34. | |
think they are extremely limited. They have been all along in these | :04:35. | :04:40. | |
hostage situations. We know, for instance, that British government | :04:41. | :04:43. | |
policy is not to pay ransom is to kidnappers. Other Europeans states | :04:44. | :04:47. | |
are thought to have done so to get hostages released, and also not to | :04:48. | :04:52. | |
make substantive policy concessions to the groups, so while there might | :04:53. | :04:58. | |
be contact, there won't be a lot of options left. We know the US in the | :04:59. | :05:01. | |
past has looked at rescue missions and in July on operation to free the | :05:02. | :05:10. | |
hostages, landing at the oil facility in Syria but finding no one | :05:11. | :05:13. | |
there. If you look at the options, they are not great. That is the | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
difficult situation which Cobra will have been discussing the last hour. | :05:18. | :05:26. | |
Does this make it more likely, because it might have the direction | :05:27. | :05:29. | |
the government was going in any way, that we join with the Americans in | :05:30. | :05:36. | |
perhaps the regional allies in air strikes against Islamic State, not | :05:37. | :05:41. | |
just in Iraq, but also in Syria We heard from President Obama outlining | :05:42. | :05:45. | |
his strategy against Islamic State last week when he talked about | :05:46. | :05:47. | |
building a coalition, about authorising air strikes. And | :05:48. | :05:53. | |
training troops. We are still waiting to hear what exact role the | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
UK will play in that. We know it will play a role because it has been | :05:59. | :06:08. | |
arming the fishmonger forces but the question is, will it actually | :06:09. | :06:13. | |
conduct military strikes in Iraq -- arming the passion are there. We | :06:14. | :06:18. | |
have not got a clear answer from government and that is something | :06:19. | :06:29. | |
where they are ours to discuss what was around the table. It's possible | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
we might learn some more today as a result of the Cobra meeting, but I | :06:34. | :06:36. | |
think the government will be wanting to not be seen to suddenly rushed to | :06:37. | :06:41. | |
a completely different policy as a result of one incident, however | :06:42. | :06:45. | |
terrible it is. Whether it hardens their reserve -- resolved to play | :06:46. | :06:48. | |
more active role in the coalition, that's possible, but we have to wait | :06:49. | :06:54. | |
see to get the detail. -- wait and see. What the whole country would | :06:55. | :07:01. | |
like to see would be British and American special forces going in and | :07:02. | :07:04. | |
getting these guys. I think that would unite the nation. But that is | :07:05. | :07:10. | |
very difficult, isn't it? It is As you saw with a rescue mission a few | :07:11. | :07:14. | |
months ago, the problem is getting actionable intelligence on the | :07:15. | :07:17. | |
ground at a particular moment. The theory is that the group of | :07:18. | :07:19. | |
kidnappers are moving the hostages may be even every or few days, so | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
you need intelligence and quickly and then you need to be able to get | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
the team onto the ground into that time frame. That is clearly a | :07:29. | :07:32. | |
possibility and something they will be looking at, but it certainly | :07:33. | :07:35. | |
challenging, particularly when you have a group like this operating | :07:36. | :07:40. | |
within its own state, effectively, and knowing that other people are | :07:41. | :07:43. | |
looking very hard for it and doing everything they can to hide. Gordon, | :07:44. | :07:48. | |
thank you very much. Clegg dropped everything and headed | :07:49. | :07:50. | |
to Scotland when a poll last Sunday gave the YES vote its first ever | :07:51. | :07:55. | |
lead in this prolonged referendum If their reaction looked | :07:56. | :08:01. | |
like panic, that's because it was. Until last weekend, | :08:02. | :08:04. | |
though the polls had been narrowing, the consensus was still that NO | :08:05. | :08:06. | |
would carry the day. The new consensus is that | :08:07. | :08:09. | |
it's too close to call. If we look back at the beginning of | :08:10. | :08:23. | |
the year, public opinion in Scotland was fairly settled. The no campaign | :08:24. | :08:26. | |
had a commanding lead across the opinion polls, excluding the | :08:27. | :08:30. | |
undecided voters. At one point, at the end of last year, an average of | :08:31. | :08:36. | |
63% backed the no campaign and only 37% supported a yes vote. As we move | :08:37. | :08:41. | |
into 2014 and up to this week, you can see a clear trend emerging as | :08:42. | :08:47. | |
the lead for the no campaign gets narrower and narrower and the | :08:48. | :08:49. | |
average of the most recent polls has the contest hanging in the balance. | :08:50. | :08:54. | |
There was a poll a week ago that put the Yes campaign in the lead for the | :08:55. | :08:59. | |
first time, 51% against 49%, but that lead was not reflected in the | :09:00. | :09:03. | |
other polls last week. For polls were published last night, one by | :09:04. | :09:13. | |
Salvation, for the macro-2 campaign -- Better Together campaign, and | :09:14. | :09:20. | |
there was another that gave a one percentage point different. ICM have | :09:21. | :09:24. | |
the yes campaign back in the lead at 54% and the no campaign at 46%, but | :09:25. | :09:30. | |
their sample size was 705 Scottish adults, smaller than usual. Another | :09:31. | :09:35. | |
suggests that the contest remains on a knife edge with 49.4% against | :09:36. | :09:45. | |
50.6%. When fed into the poll of polls the figures average out with | :09:46. | :09:52. | |
yes at 49% and polls -- no at 5 %. But some people think 18% are | :09:53. | :09:56. | |
undecided, and it is how they vote gets -- when they get to the polling | :09:57. | :09:59. | |
booths that could make all the difference. | :10:00. | :10:00. | |
campaigner and Respect Party MP George Galloway. | :10:01. | :10:05. | |
Welcome to the Sunday Politics. Big business, big oil, big banks, the | :10:06. | :10:12. | |
Tories, the Orange order, all against Scottish independence. You | :10:13. | :10:17. | |
sure you are on right side? Yes because the interests of working | :10:18. | :10:20. | |
people are in staying together. This is a troubled moment in a marriage, | :10:21. | :10:23. | |
a very long marriage, in which some good things and bad things have been | :10:24. | :10:29. | |
achieved together. And there is no doubt that the crockery is being | :10:30. | :10:32. | |
thrown around the house of the minute. But I believe that the | :10:33. | :10:37. | |
underlying interests of working people are on working on the | :10:38. | :10:40. | |
relationship rather than divorce. I have been divorced. It's a very | :10:41. | :10:44. | |
messy, acrimonious, bitter affair and it's particularly bad for the | :10:45. | :10:47. | |
children will stop that's why I am here. You talk about working people, | :10:48. | :10:53. | |
and particularly Scottish working people, they seem to have concluded | :10:54. | :10:56. | |
that the social democracy they want to create cannot now be done in a UK | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
context. Why should they not have a shot of going it alone? Because the | :11:01. | :11:06. | |
opposite will happen. Separation will cause a race to the bottom in | :11:07. | :11:10. | |
taxation. Alex Salmond has already announced he will cut the taxes on | :11:11. | :11:15. | |
companies, corporation tax, down to 3% hello whatever it is in the rest | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
of these islands. And business will only be attracted to come here, | :11:21. | :11:27. | |
country of 5 million people on if there is low regulation, low public | :11:28. | :11:30. | |
expenditure, low levels of taxation for them will stop you cannot have | :11:31. | :11:36. | |
Scandinavian social democracy on Texan levels of taxation. The | :11:37. | :11:39. | |
British government, as will be, the rest of the UK, they will race Alex | :11:40. | :11:44. | |
Salmond to the bottom. If he cuts it by three, they will cut it by four. | :11:45. | :11:52. | |
And so on. So whether some people cannot see it clearly yet or not, | :11:53. | :11:55. | |
the interests of the working people on both sides of the border would be | :11:56. | :11:59. | |
gravely damaged by separation. Let's take the interest of the working | :12:00. | :12:02. | |
people. As you know, as well as anyone, the coalition is in | :12:03. | :12:06. | |
fermenting both a series of cuts and reforms in welfare, and labour, | :12:07. | :12:10. | |
Westminster Labour, has only limited plans to reverse any of that. Surely | :12:11. | :12:15. | |
if you want to preserve the welfare state as it is, independence is the | :12:16. | :12:22. | |
way to do it. For the reasons I just explain, I don't believe that. But | :12:23. | :12:25. | |
Ed Miliband will be along in a minute. He will be along in May The | :12:26. | :12:33. | |
polls indicate... They say he is only four or 5%, that is the | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
average. Like the referendum, the next general election could be nip | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
and tuck. I don't, myself, think that the time of David Cameron as | :12:43. | :12:46. | |
Prime Minister is for much longer. I think there will be a Labour | :12:47. | :12:48. | |
government in the spring and the Labour government in London and a | :12:49. | :12:55. | |
stronger Scottish Parliament, super Devo Max, that is now on the table. | :12:56. | :12:59. | |
That is the best arrangement of people in the country. But the | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
people of Scotland surely cannot base a decision on independence on | :13:05. | :13:08. | |
your feeling that Labour might win the next general election. It is my | :13:09. | :13:13. | |
feeling. When the Tories were beaten on the bedroom tax last week in the | :13:14. | :13:17. | |
house, it was written all over the faces of the government side not | :13:18. | :13:20. | |
only that they were headed for defeat, but probably a massive fishy | :13:21. | :13:30. | |
-- Fisher. I think the race to the bottom that I have proper size will | :13:31. | :13:35. | |
mean that the welfare state will be a distant memory quite soon. The | :13:36. | :13:43. | |
cuts and the run on the Scottish economy here in Edinburgh, the | :13:44. | :13:49. | |
financial services industry, that will be gravely damage. The Ministry | :13:50. | :13:54. | |
of Defence jobs in Scotland decimated, probably ended, more or | :13:55. | :14:01. | |
less. It will be a time of cuts and austerity, maybe super austerity in | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
an independent Scotland. You mentioned defence. What about | :14:06. | :14:08. | |
nuclear weapons? The Tories and Labour will keep them. You are | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
against them. Surely the only way to be rid of them in Scotland is by | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
independence. But you are not rid of them by telling them down the river. | :14:17. | :14:22. | |
The danger would be the same -- telling them down the river. The | :14:23. | :14:27. | |
danger would be the same. Nuclear radiation does not respect Alex | :14:28. | :14:31. | |
Salmond's national boundaries. They would be committed to immediately | :14:32. | :14:37. | |
joining NATO, which is bristling with nuclear weapons and is what -- | :14:38. | :14:40. | |
involved in wars across the Atlantic. So anyone looking for a | :14:41. | :14:46. | |
peace option will have to elect a government in Britain as a whole | :14:47. | :14:50. | |
that will get rid of nuclear weapons and get out of military | :14:51. | :14:52. | |
entanglements. We are in one again now. I have been up the whole night, | :14:53. | :14:58. | |
till 5am, dealing with some of the consequences and implications of the | :14:59. | :15:02. | |
grave international matter that you opened the show with. David Haines | :15:03. | :15:09. | |
and the fate of the hostage still in their hands. There are many other | :15:10. | :15:14. | |
hostages as well. And there are many people dying who are neither British | :15:15. | :15:18. | |
nor American. I have, somehow, been drawn into this matter. And it | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
showed me, again, that the world is interdependent. It is absolutely | :15:24. | :15:32. | |
riven with division and hatred, and this is the worst possible time to | :15:33. | :15:37. | |
be opting out of the world to set up a small mini-state on the promises | :15:38. | :15:44. | |
of Alex Salmond of social democracy funded by Texan taxes. Let's, for | :15:45. | :15:48. | |
the sake of the next question, assume that everything you have told | :15:49. | :15:53. | |
us is true. Why is your side squandering a 20 point lead? | :15:54. | :16:04. | |
I will have a great deal to say about that, whatever the result | :16:05. | :16:12. | |
This is very much a Scottish Labour project, is that not a condemnation | :16:13. | :16:19. | |
of Scottish Labour? It is potentially on its deathbed. The | :16:20. | :16:27. | |
country breaking up, the principal responsibility will be on them. And | :16:28. | :16:42. | |
the pitiful, absolutely pitiful job that has been made of defending a | :16:43. | :16:48. | |
300-year-old relationship in this island by the Scottish Labour | :16:49. | :16:53. | |
leadership is really terrible for me to behold, even though I'm no longer | :16:54. | :16:59. | |
one of them. I don't know how they are going to get out of this | :17:00. | :17:04. | |
deathbed. Do you agree that if this referendum is lost by your side it | :17:05. | :17:10. | |
will be because traditional working-class Labour voters, | :17:11. | :17:13. | |
particularly in the west of Scotland, have abundant Labour and | :17:14. | :17:17. | |
decided to vote for independence? Without a doubt, the number of | :17:18. | :17:23. | |
Labour voters intending to vote yes is disturbingly high. Even just | :17:24. | :17:29. | |
months ago during the European Parliament elections, swathes of | :17:30. | :17:33. | |
people who didn't vote SNP will be voting yes on Thursday. That is a | :17:34. | :17:39. | |
grave squandering of a great legacy of Scottish Labour history, which | :17:40. | :17:45. | |
history will decree as unforgivable. If Labour is to get | :17:46. | :17:50. | |
out of its deathbed in Scotland it will have to become Labour again. | :17:51. | :17:57. | |
Real Labour again. I am ready to help them with that. My goodness, | :17:58. | :18:05. | |
they need help with it. I wonder if it isn't just a failure of Labour in | :18:06. | :18:11. | |
Scotland. People all over Britain are increasingly fed up with the | :18:12. | :18:15. | |
Westminster system, but it is only the Scots who currently have the | :18:16. | :18:20. | |
chance to break free from it, so why shouldn't they? That is exactly | :18:21. | :18:25. | |
right. They see a parliament of expenses cheats led by Lord snooty | :18:26. | :18:32. | |
and the Bullingdon club elite, carrying through austerity for many | :18:33. | :18:36. | |
but not for themselves and they are repulsed by it. They need change, | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
but you can go backwards and call it change but it will be worse than the | :18:42. | :18:47. | |
situation you have now. A lot of Scottish people don't buy that. It | :18:48. | :18:53. | |
is a big gamble. If I were poised to put my family's life savings on the | :18:54. | :18:59. | |
roulette table in Las Vegas, my wife would not be scaremongering if she | :19:00. | :19:03. | |
pointed out the potential consequences if I'd lost. She would | :19:04. | :19:08. | |
not be negative by telling me that is my children's money I am risking. | :19:09. | :19:12. | |
If I jumped off this roof it would change my point of view, but it | :19:13. | :19:16. | |
would be worse than the point of view I have now. There is another | :19:17. | :19:20. | |
issue here because the Scots are being asked to gamble on the | :19:21. | :19:26. | |
Westminster parties, which they are already suspicious of, of delivering | :19:27. | :19:32. | |
home rule. Alistair Darling could not even tell me if Ed Balls had | :19:33. | :19:38. | |
signed off on more income tax powers for Scotland, so that is a gamble | :19:39. | :19:43. | |
for the Scots. I feel the British state has had such a shake out of | :19:44. | :19:48. | |
all this that they would be beyond idiots, they would be insane now to | :19:49. | :19:55. | |
risk all of this flaring up again because whatever happens, if we win | :19:56. | :19:59. | |
on Thursday, it is going to be narrowly. It will be a severe | :20:00. | :20:05. | |
fissure in Scotland. A great deal of unpleasantness that we are already | :20:06. | :20:11. | |
aware of. That could turn but we're still. It would be dicing with | :20:12. | :20:17. | |
death, playing with fire, to let Scottish people down after Thursday | :20:18. | :20:23. | |
if we narrowly win. If you narrowly win, and if there are moves to this | :20:24. | :20:29. | |
home rule Mr Brown has been talking about, England hasn't spoken yet on | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
this. Whilst England would probably not want to stop -- stop Scotland | :20:34. | :20:40. | |
getting this, they would say, what about us? It could delay the whole | :20:41. | :20:49. | |
procedure. It is necessary, you are right. England should have home | :20:50. | :20:54. | |
rule, and I screamed at Scottish Labour MPs going into the vote to | :20:55. | :21:00. | |
introduce tuition fees in England. I told them this was a constitutional | :21:01. | :21:04. | |
monstrosity, as well as a crime against young people in England It | :21:05. | :21:11. | |
was risking everything. We are led by idiots. Our leaders are not James | :21:12. | :21:17. | |
Bonds, they are Austin powers. We need to change the leadership, not | :21:18. | :21:23. | |
rip up a 300-year-old marriage. Thank you. | :21:24. | :21:29. | |
It's been one of the longest and hardest fought political campaigns | :21:30. | :21:31. | |
in history, with Alex Salmond firing the starting gun on the referendum | :21:32. | :21:35. | |
Adam's been stitching together the key moments of the campaign | :21:36. | :21:46. | |
It is the other thing drawing people to the Scottish parliament, the new | :21:47. | :21:52. | |
great tapestry of Scotland. It is the story of battles won and lost, | :21:53. | :21:59. | |
Scottish moments, British moments, famous Scots, and not so famous | :22:00. | :22:03. | |
Scots. There is even a panel dedicated to the rise of the SNP. | :22:04. | :22:10. | |
Alex Salmond's majority in the elections in 2011 made the | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
referendum inevitable. It became reality when he and David Cameron | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
did a deal in Edinburgh one year later. The Scottish Government set | :22:20. | :22:24. | |
out its plans for independence in this book, just a wish list to some, | :22:25. | :22:30. | |
a sacred text to others. This White Paper is the most detailed | :22:31. | :22:36. | |
improvements that any people have ever been offered in the world as a | :22:37. | :22:41. | |
basis for becoming an independent country. The no campaign, called | :22:42. | :22:47. | |
Better Together, united the Tories, Labour and the Lib Dems under the | :22:48. | :22:52. | |
leadership of Alistair Darling. Then the Scottish people were bombarded | :22:53. | :22:56. | |
with two years of photo opportunities and a lot of | :22:57. | :23:00. | |
campaigning. For the no campaign, Jim Murphy went on tour but took a | :23:01. | :23:05. | |
break when he was egged and his events were often hijacked by yes | :23:06. | :23:10. | |
campaigners who were accused of being intimidating. In turn, they | :23:11. | :23:16. | |
accused the no campaign of using scare tactics. Things heated up when | :23:17. | :23:24. | |
the TV dinner -- during the TV debate. Fever pitch was reached one | :23:25. | :23:29. | |
week ago when one poll suggested the yes campaign was in the lead for the | :23:30. | :23:34. | |
first time. The three main Westminster leaders ditched PMQs to | :23:35. | :23:39. | |
head north. I think people can feel it is like a general election, that | :23:40. | :23:43. | |
you make a decision and five years later you can make another decision | :23:44. | :23:47. | |
if you are fed up with the Tories, give them a kick... This is totally | :23:48. | :23:56. | |
different. And Labour shelved not quite 100 MPs onto the train, Alex | :23:57. | :24:00. | |
Salmond took a helicopter instead. This is about the formation of the | :24:01. | :24:05. | |
NHS. A big theme of the yes campaign is that changes to the NHS in Linden | :24:06. | :24:15. | |
-- in England would lead to privatisation in Scotland. Alex | :24:16. | :24:21. | |
Salmond's plan to share the pound was trashed by big names. There were | :24:22. | :24:28. | |
other big question is, what would happen to military hardware like | :24:29. | :24:32. | |
Trident based on the Clyde? Would an independent Scotland be able to join | :24:33. | :24:38. | |
the EU? And how much oil was left underneath the North Sea? | :24:39. | :24:42. | |
This panel is about famous Scots, we have Annie Lennox, Stephen Hendry, | :24:43. | :24:50. | |
Sean Connery. I cannot see Gordon Brown. These are big changes we are | :24:51. | :24:54. | |
proposing to strengthen the Scottish parliament, but at the same time to | :24:55. | :25:00. | |
stay as part of the UK. A regular on the campaign, he was front and | :25:01. | :25:03. | |
centre when things got close, unveiling a timetable for more | :25:04. | :25:07. | |
devolution. People wondered whether Ed Miliband was able to reach the | :25:08. | :25:12. | |
parts of Scotland Labour leader should reach, and at Westminster | :25:13. | :25:16. | |
some Tories pondered whether David Cameron could stay as prime minister | :25:17. | :25:21. | |
if there was a yes vote. This tapestry is nonpartisan so it is a | :25:22. | :25:26. | |
good place to get away from it all but it is crystallising voters' | :25:27. | :25:32. | |
views. Look at what we have contributed to Great Britain, and I | :25:33. | :25:41. | |
am British and I hope to be staying British. This is what people from | :25:42. | :25:44. | |
Scotland have done, taken to the rest of the world in many cases and | :25:45. | :25:47. | |
I think I am going to vote yes. I am so inspired by it. It has certainly | :25:48. | :25:52. | |
inspired me to have a go at stitching. How long do you think it | :25:53. | :25:57. | |
would take to do the whole thing? I would say to put aside maybe 30 | :25:58. | :26:02. | |
hours of stitching. Maybe by the time I am done, we will know more | :26:03. | :26:06. | |
about how the fabric of the nation might be changing. | :26:07. | :26:10. | |
And I've been joined by yes campaigner and convenor | :26:11. | :26:13. | |
of Scotland's Solidarity socialist party, Tommy Sheridan. | :26:14. | :26:15. | |
An economy dependent on oil, the Queen as head of state, membership | :26:16. | :26:27. | |
of the world 's premier nuclear alliance of capitalist nations is | :26:28. | :26:32. | |
that the socialist Scotland you are fighting for? No, that is the SNP's | :26:33. | :26:42. | |
prospectus and they are entitled to put forward their vision, but it is | :26:43. | :26:47. | |
not mine or that of the majority of Scotland. We will find out in two | :26:48. | :26:53. | |
years. On Thursday we are not voting for a political party, we are voting | :26:54. | :26:58. | |
for our freedom as a country. That is why people are going to vote yes | :26:59. | :27:03. | |
on Thursday. A lot of people are voting for what you call freedom | :27:04. | :27:08. | |
because they think it will be more Scotland. You have already got free | :27:09. | :27:13. | |
prescriptions, no tuition fees, free care for the elderly. You might not | :27:14. | :27:18. | |
in future have that if public spending is overdependent on the | :27:19. | :27:23. | |
price of oil, over which you have no control. We don't have to worry | :27:24. | :27:27. | |
about one single resource, we already have 20% of the fishing | :27:28. | :27:34. | |
stock in Europe. We already have 25% of the wind, wave and solar power | :27:35. | :27:44. | |
generation. We, as an independent country, have huge resources, | :27:45. | :27:49. | |
natural resources but also people resources. We have five first-class | :27:50. | :27:54. | |
universities, food and beverages industry which is the envy of the | :27:55. | :27:58. | |
world. We have the ability to produce the resources on the | :27:59. | :28:02. | |
revenues that won't just maintain the health service and education but | :28:03. | :28:06. | |
it will develop health and education. I don't want to stand | :28:07. | :28:10. | |
still, I want to redistribute wealth. But all of the projections | :28:11. | :28:14. | |
of public spending for an independent Scotland show that to | :28:15. | :28:21. | |
keep spending at the current level you need a strong price of oil and | :28:22. | :28:26. | |
you are dependent on this commodity which goes up and down and sideways. | :28:27. | :28:33. | |
That is a gamble. I have got to laugh because I have been told the | :28:34. | :28:37. | |
most pessimistic is that in 40 years the oil is running out, panic | :28:38. | :28:45. | |
stations! If you were told by the BBC you could only guarantee | :28:46. | :28:48. | |
employment for the next 40 years you would be over the moon. I am talking | :28:49. | :28:54. | |
about in the next five. You need 50% of your revenues to come from oil to | :28:55. | :29:00. | |
continue spending and that is not a guarantee. Of course it is, the | :29:01. | :29:04. | |
minimum survival of the oil is 0 years. Please get your viewers to go | :29:05. | :29:15. | |
onto the Internet and look at the website called oilandgas.com. The | :29:16. | :29:27. | |
West Coast has 100 years of oil to be extracted. It hasn't been done | :29:28. | :29:32. | |
because in 1981 Michael Heseltine said we cannot extract the oil | :29:33. | :29:38. | |
because we have Trident going up and down there. Let's get rid of Trident | :29:39. | :29:47. | |
and extract the oil. You are a trot right, why have you failed to learn | :29:48. | :29:53. | |
his famous dictum, socialism in one country is impossible. Revolutions | :29:54. | :29:58. | |
and change are not just single event. What will happen here on | :29:59. | :30:02. | |
Thursday is a democratic revolution. The people are fed up of being | :30:03. | :30:08. | |
patronised and lied to by this mob in Westminster who have used and | :30:09. | :30:13. | |
abused us for far too long. The smaller people now have a voice | :30:14. | :30:18. | |
What about socialism in one country? Mr Trotsky warned you | :30:19. | :30:27. | |
against that. The no campaign represents the past. The yes | :30:28. | :30:31. | |
campaign represents the future. That is the truth of the matter. What we | :30:32. | :30:36. | |
are going to do in an independent Scotland is tackle inequality and a | :30:37. | :30:44. | |
scourge of low pay. If we vote no on Thursday, there will be more low pay | :30:45. | :30:49. | |
on Friday, more poverty and food banks on Friday. I'm not going to be | :30:50. | :30:53. | |
lectured by these big banks, you vote less -- yes and we will leave | :30:54. | :31:02. | |
the country! The food banks will be the ones closing. If you got your | :31:03. | :31:09. | |
way, for the type of Scotland you would like to see, state control of | :31:10. | :31:13. | |
business, nationalisation of the Manx, the roads to Carlisle will be | :31:14. | :31:17. | |
clogged with people Yes, hoping to come into Scotland, | :31:18. | :31:27. | |
because in their hearts, the Scottish people know that England | :31:28. | :31:34. | |
want to see the people having the bottle. The working class people in | :31:35. | :31:38. | |
Liverpool, Newcastle, outside of London, they are saying good on the | :31:39. | :31:42. | |
jocks that are taking on big business. When we are independent | :31:43. | :31:46. | |
and investing in social housing the people of England will say, we can | :31:47. | :31:50. | |
do that as well, and they will rediscover the radical tradition. In | :31:51. | :31:55. | |
wanting to build socialism in one country, it really means you are | :31:56. | :31:58. | |
fighting for the few, rather than the many. You are bailing out of the | :31:59. | :32:02. | |
socialist Battle for Britain. You think it will be easier to make it | :32:03. | :32:10. | |
work. Think globally, act locally and we will build socialism in | :32:11. | :32:14. | |
Scotland but I wanted across the world. I won my brothers and sisters | :32:15. | :32:17. | |
in England and Wales to be encouraged by what we do so they can | :32:18. | :32:22. | |
reject the Westminster consensus as well -- I want. We had the three | :32:23. | :32:26. | |
Stooges coming up to London, three millionaires united on one thing, | :32:27. | :32:30. | |
austerity. Doesn't matter whether Ed Miliband wins the next election he | :32:31. | :32:34. | |
said he would stick to the story spending cuts. Why vote for Ed | :32:35. | :32:39. | |
Miliband? You wouldn't trust him to run a bath, not a country. Let's see | :32:40. | :32:43. | |
if this is realistic, this great socialist vision. At the last | :32:44. | :32:48. | |
Scottish election, the Socialist party got 8000 votes. The | :32:49. | :32:50. | |
Conservatives got 30 times more votes. Where is the appetite in | :32:51. | :32:57. | |
Scotland for your Marxist ideology question we might not win it. But do | :32:58. | :33:01. | |
you know what, see in two years time. See when we have the Scottish | :33:02. | :33:17. | |
general election. You won't -- you are saying you might win and you | :33:18. | :33:19. | |
went to the Holyrood election and got 8000 Pope -- votes. The SNP won | :33:20. | :33:26. | |
a democratic election and then won the 2011 election and you know why | :33:27. | :33:30. | |
they won? Because they picked up the clothes that the Labour Party has | :33:31. | :33:34. | |
thrown away. They picked up the close of social democracy and | :33:35. | :33:39. | |
protecting the health service was -- service. There are people in the SNP | :33:40. | :33:44. | |
who believe in public ownership and people in the SNP who believe in the | :33:45. | :33:49. | |
NHS should be written into a constitution as never for sale | :33:50. | :33:53. | |
people in the the SNP that think the Royal mail should return to public | :33:54. | :33:57. | |
ownership. That is there in black and white. Do you agree with George | :33:58. | :34:00. | |
Galloway that this is potentially a crisis for Scottish Labour? Scottish | :34:01. | :34:06. | |
Labour is finished. They are absolutely finished. George is right | :34:07. | :34:09. | |
in that. Scottish Labour is finished. The irony of ironies is, | :34:10. | :34:14. | |
Labour in Scotland has more chance of recovery in an independent | :34:15. | :34:16. | |
Scotland that they have in a no vote. Labour in Scotland in an | :34:17. | :34:22. | |
independent country will have to rediscover the traditions of Keir | :34:23. | :34:28. | |
Hardie, the ideas of Jimmy Maxon, because right now, they are to the | :34:29. | :34:33. | |
right of the SNP as a political party. I understand the socialist | :34:34. | :34:38. | |
vision, but it is where the appetite is. And you look at the independence | :34:39. | :34:45. | |
people in Scotland. One of your colleagues, Brian Souter, a man who | :34:46. | :34:51. | |
fought against the appeal -- repeal of homosexual rights in Scotland. | :34:52. | :34:54. | |
Another of your allies would seem to be Rupert Murdoch, the man who | :34:55. | :35:01. | |
engineered your downfall. You say he engineered your downfall, but I m | :35:02. | :35:04. | |
still here and his newspaper has closed. Whether it Rupert Murdoch, | :35:05. | :35:11. | |
Brian Souter, or any other millionaire supporting independence, | :35:12. | :35:14. | |
I couldn't care less. This boat on Thursday is not about millionaires, | :35:15. | :35:18. | |
it is about the millions. -- this vote. We will not be abused any | :35:19. | :35:24. | |
young -- longer. Would you rather not have their support? I couldn't | :35:25. | :35:29. | |
care about the support. You know who is supporting the union. It is the | :35:30. | :35:34. | |
unions of the big businesses, the BNP, UKIP, they are the ones who | :35:35. | :35:41. | |
support it. You are giving me a stray that has wandered into the | :35:42. | :35:44. | |
campaign and are you seriously going to argue with me that the | :35:45. | :35:49. | |
establishment isn't united to try and save the union? That is what | :35:50. | :35:53. | |
they are trying to be. The BBC, you have been a disgrace in your | :35:54. | :35:57. | |
coverage of the campaign. Not you personally. You don't have editorial | :35:58. | :36:02. | |
control. The BBC coverage, generally, has been a disgrace and | :36:03. | :36:07. | |
the people. Oil and gas, go and look at that, why is that not feature. | :36:08. | :36:10. | |
Why is the idea of 100 years of oil not featured in the campaign. | :36:11. | :36:14. | |
Because the BBC does not want to see it. Are you getting in your excuses | :36:15. | :36:19. | |
if you lose? You better be kidding. Is this the face of somebody looking | :36:20. | :36:24. | |
to lose. We are going to win, 6 /40. Absolutely. There is a momentum that | :36:25. | :36:32. | |
you guys are not seeing on the working-class housing estates. | :36:33. | :36:35. | |
Working class people are fed up being taken for granted fed up with | :36:36. | :36:40. | |
the lives of people dragging us into tax cuts, bedroom tax for the poor. | :36:41. | :36:47. | |
They will have power on Thursday, and they will use it and vote for | :36:48. | :36:51. | |
freedom. Are you happy with the way the BBC has treated you today? So | :36:52. | :36:56. | |
far, yes. I have still not been offered a Coffey, but that might | :36:57. | :37:00. | |
happen. That is an obvious example of our bias. Tommy, we will speak to | :37:01. | :37:03. | |
you later with George Galloway. This is the Sunday politics in the | :37:04. | :37:31. | |
south`east. It has been a htgely stressful week for thousands of 10 | :37:32. | :37:45. | |
euros juicer 11 plus exam `` ten`year`old. | :37:46. | :37:51. | |
I am joined by the Conservative MP for Folkestone and hide and a Labour | :37:52. | :37:55. | |
candidate for Folkestone and the general election. | :37:56. | :38:01. | |
It has been a summer when one of the worst kept political secrets was | :38:02. | :38:09. | |
confirmed, Nigel Farage will stand for the general election. Hdre he is | :38:10. | :38:17. | |
at his hustings in Ramsgate. Somebody once said I am Davhd | :38:18. | :38:21. | |
Cameron's worst nightmare. That is not good enough. I want to be Ed | :38:22. | :38:29. | |
Miliband's worst Maes Manor also `` worst nightmare. Will you join me in | :38:30. | :38:35. | |
the army that will come to success next year? Thank you! | :38:36. | :38:40. | |
A rather more surprising announcement was the defecthon of | :38:41. | :38:46. | |
the Conservative MP for Clacton Douglas Carswell. You heard Nigel | :38:47. | :38:55. | |
Farage: For an army of supporters. I was there, they went mad for him. He | :38:56. | :38:59. | |
knows how to use the language of the people. Is there anything ndw or | :39:00. | :39:03. | |
could ever up your sleeve to tackle the threat? | :39:04. | :39:09. | |
We don't need anything new or clever, just to be true to our | :39:10. | :39:13. | |
values and vision and to continue talking to people. We do th`t every | :39:14. | :39:18. | |
day. I have a great privilege listening to what the residdnts want | :39:19. | :39:21. | |
and it is very much in tune with what we are offering. We nedd to | :39:22. | :39:28. | |
take every rival with some seriousness will stop he is a rival | :39:29. | :39:31. | |
and it is not exactly a surprise as you said. But we have not sden a | :39:32. | :39:38. | |
massive show of support for UKIP on the doorsteps so far. | :39:39. | :39:43. | |
Along the coast they are a serious threat. The official opposition on | :39:44. | :39:50. | |
Kent County Council. They h`ve these highly credible candidates. Do you | :39:51. | :39:55. | |
have anything new or clever up your sleeve? Do you need to up your game? | :39:56. | :40:03. | |
His selection has been a bit like a pantomime. It all seemed to be about | :40:04. | :40:11. | |
Nigel Farage. Voters will now think, what does your party offer? Do I | :40:12. | :40:18. | |
want UKIP representing me? Hs it all about creating a platform for them? | :40:19. | :40:25. | |
I went to Clacton on the dax of the defection and spoke to elderly, | :40:26. | :40:29. | |
traditional conservative voters They said, we will have two vote | :40:30. | :40:33. | |
UKIP now. They don't have too. I will visit | :40:34. | :40:39. | |
during the course of the calpaign. Lots of people think it will be | :40:40. | :40:49. | |
between the Conservatives and UKIP and they would rather see the | :40:50. | :40:53. | |
Conservatives win it. This hs largely about people who fedl left | :40:54. | :41:00. | |
behind and angry. We need to prove that our policies improve the lives | :41:01. | :41:06. | |
and create jobs. You both must agree will be an | :41:07. | :41:12. | |
exciting general election. Perhaps we have UKIP to thank because people | :41:13. | :41:21. | |
are engaged with politics again Too many people on the doorsteps so | :41:22. | :41:26. | |
they are not interested. It was one of our challenges. | :41:27. | :41:31. | |
A touchstone issue for UKIP is immigration. It has dominatdd our | :41:32. | :41:37. | |
screens because of the incrdase of people arriving at the port of | :41:38. | :41:46. | |
Calais using increasingly ddsperate measures to reach Britain. Ligrants | :41:47. | :41:52. | |
attempting to illegally reach the UK have climbed fences and tridd to | :41:53. | :41:56. | |
storm ferries en masse. One woman found a man tucked in the b`ck of | :41:57. | :42:01. | |
her car, he climbed in when she left it at the port. | :42:02. | :42:05. | |
In that little compound you think you are safe. It is not the case. | :42:06. | :42:14. | |
What is the solution? The European Union must takd | :42:15. | :42:17. | |
responsibility to process asylum claims. We are seeing too m`ny | :42:18. | :42:26. | |
countries were waving them on to Calais. | :42:27. | :42:34. | |
Town hall chiefs in Calais want the process moved to Dover. | :42:35. | :42:43. | |
You can stop hundreds of migrants in one go. They have nothing to lose | :42:44. | :42:46. | |
any more. What is the attraction of Britain? | :42:47. | :42:54. | |
Many feel that they will have more opportunity of work because of | :42:55. | :42:57. | |
family connections. They think that here, life hs good. | :42:58. | :43:04. | |
Maybe it is a myth but it is a myth that into yours. This is not just | :43:05. | :43:10. | |
about security but about a humanitarian crisis also. Tdnsions | :43:11. | :43:18. | |
are running high with the town seen protests from refugees themselves | :43:19. | :43:21. | |
and anti immigrant groups. Is it our problem? A British | :43:22. | :43:27. | |
problem? It would be if we don't defdnd our | :43:28. | :43:33. | |
borders. That is our first obligation and why we have `nother | :43:34. | :43:39. | |
400 people working in the port of force. These people have tr`velled | :43:40. | :43:42. | |
all the way through Italy and France, the authorities havd not | :43:43. | :43:48. | |
dealt with them at any point in that journey, they wait for them to get | :43:49. | :43:58. | |
to Calais and the crisis. The. We must be absolutely clear, otr first | :43:59. | :44:02. | |
obligation is to protect our borders. We have the right to check | :44:03. | :44:07. | |
papers and passports as thex come in. People without the right papers | :44:08. | :44:12. | |
don't have the right to comd into the country. There is an assumption | :44:13. | :44:19. | |
that people want to come because of our benefits. However you w`nt to | :44:20. | :44:25. | |
portray it. Is this not just more about people wanting to comd to be | :44:26. | :44:29. | |
contrary where they speak the language? Various things ard | :44:30. | :44:36. | |
important. One, they are not all asylum seekers. Does that mdan none | :44:37. | :44:50. | |
of them are? No, that is wh`t I was going to want to say. Some lay be | :44:51. | :44:54. | |
economic migrants, others for other reasons. And the rate of benefits | :44:55. | :45:02. | |
here is lower than in Francd. So the claims of a benefits attraction is | :45:03. | :45:08. | |
fallacious, it does not hold water. Do they perceive it? A lot of them | :45:09. | :45:15. | |
are trafficked and Arsenal story of what awaits them in Britain. They do | :45:16. | :45:20. | |
not often find that and we lust think of them as exploitive as well. | :45:21. | :45:26. | |
Not everybody is getting ovdr here, a lot of the struggle is in France, | :45:27. | :45:31. | |
these people are disillusioned and desperate, running like crazy to get | :45:32. | :45:37. | |
onto a boat. They are desperately exploited and in terrible | :45:38. | :45:41. | |
conditions. We have to think of what rings them there, not just how to | :45:42. | :45:45. | |
keep them out. At the very least should be sent | :45:46. | :45:49. | |
officials out there? We do, to engage and explain why | :45:50. | :45:54. | |
they cannot come into the country. We talked to the French authorities | :45:55. | :45:59. | |
also and want them to do more. They have allowed the situation to build. | :46:00. | :46:06. | |
It is not good enough for them to say to us, you not take these people | :46:07. | :46:10. | |
off our hands. That is unre`sonable. And despite the concerns, this | :46:11. | :46:17. | |
demonstrates we are increashngly effective at policing our own | :46:18. | :46:20. | |
borders. And a guy got on the back of a car? | :46:21. | :46:35. | |
And we have had people hiding the reels of aeroplanes, falling out as | :46:36. | :46:37. | |
they come over. Do they need to create a new camp? | :46:38. | :46:48. | |
Do we need to think about... We have some humanity. We c`nnot | :46:49. | :46:52. | |
leave people on the streets. That is not an option. The question is how | :46:53. | :46:57. | |
do you create opportunities for people to live the lives thdy want. | :46:58. | :47:03. | |
If these people did not want to leave and did not feel so ddsperate, | :47:04. | :47:08. | |
there would not be this crisis. I am sure you feel you have done | :47:09. | :47:12. | |
this already but we are going to engage our brains in a moment. | :47:13. | :47:16. | |
First, the breakfast progralme will, live from Calais tomorrow. Now, the | :47:17. | :47:28. | |
grey matter. If you were at school before the 70s you probably had to | :47:29. | :47:32. | |
answer mathematical questions in your 11 plus. This week, 14,000 | :47:33. | :47:43. | |
students set a new exam, supposedly a better taste of innate abhlity. | :47:44. | :47:54. | |
I felt quite dizzy. Quite ill. The nerves were getting to me, H think. | :47:55. | :48:02. | |
Your time start now. I felt like it was just me hn the | :48:03. | :48:10. | |
room. I was anxious and scared. My heart was beating really quhckly. | :48:11. | :48:20. | |
Wednesday was a stressful d`y for image and columns. She said the new, | :48:21. | :48:45. | |
so`called tutor proof 11th plus Despite that, many parents still | :48:46. | :48:49. | |
play for tutoring. It is unfair to put them in without | :48:50. | :48:55. | |
any level of coaching. She needed support and guidance to enable her | :48:56. | :49:00. | |
to make the best of it passhng. Because I had tutoring, I think I | :49:01. | :49:07. | |
felt more confident. It's hdlped me do the test. | :49:08. | :49:12. | |
Competition for a place at ` grammar school is fierce. Many are | :49:13. | :49:17. | |
oversubscribed, particularlx in West Kent. It puts more pressure on | :49:18. | :49:24. | |
parents and pupils. But can any exam really be tutor proof? | :49:25. | :49:30. | |
I don't think the new test hs any less coachable than the previous | :49:31. | :49:37. | |
one. Except for the on cert`inty. `` uncertainty. The consequencd is that | :49:38. | :49:44. | |
the amount of coaching has, perversely, gone up. The attempts to | :49:45. | :49:50. | |
produce a less coachable test, I have seen that it has produced an | :49:51. | :49:58. | |
increase in the demand for coaching. First introduced in 1944, the test | :49:59. | :50:03. | |
promised better social mobility through education. Today, Kdnt has | :50:04. | :50:09. | |
more grammar schools than anywhere else in the country and the system | :50:10. | :50:18. | |
is more popular than ever. 03,7 0 children took the test, vying for | :50:19. | :50:23. | |
fewer than 4800 places. 25% will succeed. Despite the new stxle test | :50:24. | :50:30. | |
that is mounting pressure on the system with so`called test tourism, | :50:31. | :50:36. | |
children from neighbouring counties spilling into Kent grammar schools. | :50:37. | :50:40. | |
And an increasing number of schools opting for their own entry dxams. | :50:41. | :50:47. | |
Can it survive? I suspect wd will see greater fragmentation. Ht has | :50:48. | :50:54. | |
already started. There is a feeling in certain quarters that cotntywide | :50:55. | :50:59. | |
test, be that in Kent, Lincolnshire, wherever therd is a | :51:00. | :51:03. | |
proliferation of grammar schools, are probably not the way forward. | :51:04. | :51:10. | |
Back at home and for imaging, the long wait for results. But for | :51:11. | :51:16. | |
children like her, sitting the test in the future, will it really be | :51:17. | :51:22. | |
fairer and less stressful? Earlier I spoke to the man hn charge | :51:23. | :51:30. | |
of education in Kent. A fair test, but fair on whom? | :51:31. | :51:35. | |
In the sense of, if we achidve what we want to, a better test. H saw | :51:36. | :51:43. | |
your clip and the references to being tutor proof. We never use that | :51:44. | :51:49. | |
term. We want proper assesslent of whether a child taking the test is | :51:50. | :51:55. | |
suitable for grammar educathon. So you want the very brightest | :51:56. | :51:59. | |
children. You would agree whth critics of the previous test that | :52:00. | :52:03. | |
there were children got a place who were not really grammar school | :52:04. | :52:06. | |
material? Our concern was that the test had | :52:07. | :52:11. | |
gotten stale and predictabld. We are trying to introduce some eldment of | :52:12. | :52:21. | |
this predictable, but we have also changed and brought closer to the | :52:22. | :52:24. | |
school curriculum. You have an English element, mathematics, and we | :52:25. | :52:29. | |
seek that overall, now in the years to come, there is constant | :52:30. | :52:34. | |
refreshing of the question bank So that it is more a test of all | :52:35. | :52:44. | |
ability. I don't see much about making it | :52:45. | :52:50. | |
feared for children from disadvantaged families. `` fairer. | :52:51. | :53:03. | |
The schools minister has cold and grammar schools to do more `bout it. | :53:04. | :53:08. | |
But this is not designed for that. We think it should be a consequence. | :53:09. | :53:15. | |
If it is to be a better test of raw ability ultimately you can pick out | :53:16. | :53:19. | |
the truth from whatever background, that would include increasing | :53:20. | :53:22. | |
representation of children on free school meals. Already, lookhng at | :53:23. | :53:29. | |
the last three years, there has been a doubling of children from free | :53:30. | :53:32. | |
school meals backgrounds taking the test. | :53:33. | :53:36. | |
Surely this is the wrong molent to change it then, particularlx looking | :53:37. | :53:41. | |
at the Bucks model, campaigners released figures suggesting a | :53:42. | :53:45. | |
similarly revamped model was altered in more children from private school | :53:46. | :53:49. | |
getting a place and fewer from state schools. If that happens here you | :53:50. | :53:54. | |
can possibly argue this is lore fair, it might have been better to | :53:55. | :54:01. | |
wait and make changes natur`lly It is still far from a satisfactory | :54:02. | :54:04. | |
level. But are you worried about what is | :54:05. | :54:07. | |
happening in Bucks? We want to move in the direction of | :54:08. | :54:12. | |
a level playing you. If you have that, a coral reef should bd that | :54:13. | :54:18. | |
grammar schools deliver gre`ter academic education. `` coral lary. | :54:19. | :54:36. | |
Do you want the schools to `ctually let your test bed in first? It could | :54:37. | :54:41. | |
not be good for students to sit multiple tests. | :54:42. | :54:44. | |
It puts extra pressure on students and families. We hope that this | :54:45. | :54:54. | |
test, so far taken across the county, at the moment, as mtch as | :54:55. | :55:03. | |
possible we want to hold onto existing test in the interest of | :55:04. | :55:07. | |
children and families, to mhnimise pressure on them. | :55:08. | :55:16. | |
Is the best way to minimise stress mode selection at all? Do wd really | :55:17. | :55:21. | |
need to put 40,000 children through this every year? | :55:22. | :55:25. | |
Look at the results this sulmer We did that of the national avdrage. | :55:26. | :55:30. | |
What we have in Kent works. That does not answer whether this is | :55:31. | :55:35. | |
good for children. Surely that should be the measure with dvery | :55:36. | :55:38. | |
education policy? But different schools cater for | :55:39. | :55:44. | |
children with different needs. Some thrive academically, others need a | :55:45. | :55:47. | |
broader curriculum than the academy schools. Some are doing really well | :55:48. | :55:53. | |
at getting excellent academhc results, sending pupils onto the top | :55:54. | :55:59. | |
universities, as well as providing vocational skills also. Pardnts and | :56:00. | :56:06. | |
children have a choice. Overall the test is our standard is going up | :56:07. | :56:10. | |
across the board? And they `re. Parents are the problem, ard they? | :56:11. | :56:17. | |
Parents who force children hnto hours of extra coaching, endless | :56:18. | :56:24. | |
practice. This is try to stop them being an incentive for that. | :56:25. | :56:29. | |
And I understand why. But e`rlier we saw a record amount of tutor... | :56:30. | :56:40. | |
That was an anecdote. But the unknown makes parents put more | :56:41. | :56:49. | |
pressure on their children. You went to a grammar school. | :56:50. | :56:54. | |
And they would not recommend it and do not wanted for my childrdn. I was | :56:55. | :57:01. | |
expelled... Does that speak volumes for you or | :57:02. | :57:05. | |
the school? We can get into that another time! | :57:06. | :57:12. | |
Does labour disapprove of grammar schools then? Would Labour get rid | :57:13. | :57:20. | |
of the existing grammar schools I don't know the answer to that | :57:21. | :57:27. | |
But you are critical. I would argue for comprehensive schools. Children | :57:28. | :57:33. | |
who eat and play together, learn together, build a society that is at | :57:34. | :57:38. | |
ease with each other, in a way that segregation at 11 does not. | :57:39. | :57:43. | |
Disadvantaged children are not the object of her. Grammar schools these | :57:44. | :57:48. | |
days are stuffed full of middle`class children according to | :57:49. | :57:52. | |
the schools minister. We usdd to be the agents of social change. Where | :57:53. | :57:56. | |
poor children went for a grdat education. Don't we really need to | :57:57. | :58:01. | |
look at that issue? When the whole country had ` grammar | :58:02. | :58:05. | |
school system there were more children at the top univershties who | :58:06. | :58:10. | |
went to state schools. So h`ve we lost something? The system was very | :58:11. | :58:14. | |
good at taking the brightest children, whatever their social | :58:15. | :58:19. | |
background, and equipping them with tools to reach their potenthal. What | :58:20. | :58:24. | |
we have changed though is that the non`grammar option is now excellent | :58:25. | :58:28. | |
whereas in old days it was not the case. | :58:29. | :58:33. | |
But you cannot keep that elhtism. 4% of children in a few select schools | :58:34. | :58:39. | |
whilst privately educated pdople run the country, it has to change. | :58:40. | :58:52. | |
Here is a roundup, with 60 seconds. Drama in Eastbourne when thd Pearl | :58:53. | :58:59. | |
was ravaged by fire. The Prhme Minister visited. | :59:00. | :59:03. | |
The Fire Service did an amazing job. They saved two thirds of thd pier. | :59:04. | :59:14. | |
The East Kent hospitals trust was put into special measures and said | :59:15. | :59:19. | |
it would work to improve. Mddway Council has signed off 5000 homes to | :59:20. | :59:23. | |
the dismay of environmental protesters. But they are happier | :59:24. | :59:27. | |
there will be no runway in the Thames estuary. What Boris Johnson | :59:28. | :59:33. | |
remains buoyant. It took years to build the Channel | :59:34. | :59:37. | |
tunnel so this thing will t`ke a while. | :59:38. | :59:43. | |
And a UKIP representative is in trouble for using a racist term she | :59:44. | :59:50. | |
issued an apology, and the party leader visited the family concerned | :59:51. | :59:55. | |
to apologise. I will be taking some action. | :59:56. | :00:01. | |
Another runway looking likely now? We need to see what is said and what | :00:02. | :00:07. | |
the environmental and actors. We need more runways. Could be both, | :00:08. | :00:11. | |
could be either. Thank you both very much indeed | :00:12. | :00:13. | |
London was 150 years ago, otherwise we would have a dirty River Thames. | :00:14. | :00:18. | |
Andrew, back to you. Can | :00:19. | :00:23. | |
the No campaign still pull it off? And even if they do is the whole | :00:24. | :00:28. | |
of the UK now on the brink I'm joined now by John McTernan | :00:29. | :00:32. | |
former adviser to Gordon Brown and Tony Blair, Alex Bell, | :00:33. | :00:49. | |
former Head of Policy for the SNP and Lindsay McIntosh, the | :00:50. | :00:52. | |
Times Scottish Political Editor And I'm delighted that Tommy | :00:53. | :00:54. | |
and George have stayed too. No fighting has broken out either. | :00:55. | :01:00. | |
Where No fighting has broken out either. | :01:01. | :01:09. | |
have three full days to go No fighting has broken out either. | :01:10. | :01:09. | |
polling day. What is the state of play? I think the poll of polls is | :01:10. | :01:17. | |
accurate. 49 and 51%. What is vital is to bring the undecided voters in, | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
and they properly have about 500,000. I think there are a lot of | :01:22. | :01:26. | |
undecided people. I think they know which way they are leaning, but they | :01:27. | :01:30. | |
haven't jumped. The hope of the no campaign is that they will go for | :01:31. | :01:37. | |
the status quo on Thursday. How do you assess the state of the campaign | :01:38. | :01:43. | |
now? The crucial thing is the big swing. The swing has come towards | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
yes, so will the momentum carry it over the line? I will think it does, | :01:48. | :01:54. | |
because it is an antiestablishment swell, and its people responding to | :01:55. | :01:58. | |
standard Western as the politicians and saying that they want a new way | :01:59. | :02:02. | |
-- Westminster politicians. I think that yes will sneak it. A referendum | :02:03. | :02:08. | |
can be more important than a general election, and the Yes campaign have | :02:09. | :02:14. | |
had the momentum. This was the week the momentum stopped. We started the | :02:15. | :02:17. | |
week looking as though yes were going into the lead and then it | :02:18. | :02:20. | |
stopped and most of the recent polls show a distinct lead for the no | :02:21. | :02:24. | |
campaign. A distinct lead? It is one or two points. It is six in one | :02:25. | :02:29. | |
poll, two in another, aiding another. The poll of polls is a good | :02:30. | :02:34. | |
way of measuring, and is it statistically Nick -- nip and tuck? | :02:35. | :02:39. | |
It is the week the momentum stopped. About a fifth of the electorate | :02:40. | :02:43. | |
That will be a quarter of the turnout have voted already, by | :02:44. | :02:47. | |
postal vote, and they are running very strongly towards no, so there | :02:48. | :02:52. | |
is a whole bank of votes there. The postal votes are skewed to the over | :02:53. | :02:56. | |
60s, and that is the demographic that the Yes campaign have had the | :02:57. | :03:02. | |
biggest trouble with. Absolutely, the Yes campaign faced a challenge | :03:03. | :03:07. | |
amongst the 16 and 18-year-olds and always based challenge with the | :03:08. | :03:12. | |
older voters. Trust me, I was the decision the day the civil servants | :03:13. | :03:17. | |
made it possible for the 16 to 18-year-olds to vote, and we said | :03:18. | :03:19. | |
there was a victory for the no campaign in that alone. The young | :03:20. | :03:25. | |
tend to be conservative by nature. I think again that to say that the | :03:26. | :03:29. | |
momentum has stopped when you had a 20 point lead, this is a referendum | :03:30. | :03:37. | |
whether people will speak and they will be heard. Except for the one | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
poll which needs a huge health warning because of the size of the | :03:42. | :03:46. | |
sample, the momentum is unquestionably all the way through | :03:47. | :03:49. | |
August is going in the direction of yes. It hasn't quite continue to get | :03:50. | :03:56. | |
to the 55/45 four yes that Alex Salmond thinks will be the result. I | :03:57. | :04:00. | |
would agree with John. This was the momentum stalled. We saw the three | :04:01. | :04:06. | |
leaders coming up, and that kept Alex Salmond off the front pages on | :04:07. | :04:11. | |
the television and we had a raft of economic warnings which, although | :04:12. | :04:14. | |
they were dismissed as scaremongering, they will have had a | :04:15. | :04:17. | |
lot of traction with voters. What does the no campaign have to do in | :04:18. | :04:24. | |
the final three days? It has to focus on the undecided, | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
relentlessly. It has to do stick to the question of risk and keep | :04:30. | :04:32. | |
pushing back on Alex Salmond to say it doesn't matter if the banks | :04:33. | :04:35. | |
leave, it will all be all right on the night. The huge question amongst | :04:36. | :04:40. | |
the undecided voters is about the economy. It is about jobs and | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
currency, about business. That risk is what will crystallise in the | :04:46. | :04:48. | |
ballot box on Thursday and that has to be the focus. What does the Yes | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
campaign have to do? It has to drive home that the swing to the Yes | :04:54. | :04:57. | |
campaign is motivated by people who want a different politics. They have | :04:58. | :05:01. | |
decided amongst themselves that they want to change Scotland. The | :05:02. | :05:03. | |
unfortunate thing is, even though the no campaign has had the chance | :05:04. | :05:09. | |
to put up after proposals, they have failed. The Scottish people want | :05:10. | :05:12. | |
their powers were a purpose and they say that only the Yes campaign can | :05:13. | :05:17. | |
deliver that. There will be two days of relentless campaigning from | :05:18. | :05:20. | |
today, Monday and Tuesday, then the media, the newspapers, including | :05:21. | :05:23. | |
your own, will come out with the final poll, the ones that will be | :05:24. | :05:29. | |
the closest to the day that the Scots actually go and vote. I think | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
we will see more polling this week, but what is interesting is the | :05:35. | :05:36. | |
extent to which the pollsters are picking up what is going on in the | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
street. We know we have a huge number of voters who have never | :05:41. | :05:43. | |
voted before and are not engage with politics, so what will they do? The | :05:44. | :05:49. | |
third candidate in the election if I can would in this way, are the | :05:50. | :05:53. | |
polls. They might have a lot of questions to answer on Friday | :05:54. | :05:57. | |
morning. We were talking earlier with George and Tommy about the | :05:58. | :05:59. | |
Labour Party's consequences in all of this. Gordon Brown, of course, | :06:00. | :06:05. | |
has had a bit of a second coming as a result of this referendum. I just | :06:06. | :06:09. | |
want to play a clip of Gordon Brown during the campaign and get a | :06:10. | :06:13. | |
reaction. And I say this to Alex Salmond himself. Up until today I am | :06:14. | :06:22. | |
outside front line politics. If he continues to peddle this deception, | :06:23. | :06:25. | |
that the Scottish Parliament under his leadership, and he cannot do | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
anything to improve the health service until he has a separate | :06:30. | :06:37. | |
state, then I will want to join Joe Hanlon want in and securing the | :06:38. | :06:40. | |
return of a Labour government as quickly as possible -- Johann | :06:41. | :06:48. | |
Lamont. That was seen by some people as Gordon Brown implying he might | :06:49. | :06:51. | |
stand for the Scottish Parliament. Whether it is yes or no, is Gordon | :06:52. | :06:54. | |
Brown the saviour of Scottish Labour? I did a double black the | :06:55. | :07:01. | |
other night -- double act with him the other night, and I must say he | :07:02. | :07:05. | |
was a big beast all over again. He crossed the stage Meli dealt with | :07:06. | :07:11. | |
the audience brilliantly. He has a certain presence, Gordon Brown, but | :07:12. | :07:14. | |
he would really have to reinvent himself quite considerably. He is | :07:15. | :07:20. | |
capable of doing, but the man who was the biographer of Jimmy Maxton, | :07:21. | :07:25. | |
who pulled together the original red paper on Scotland, he would have to | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
be that Gordon Brown rather than the Gordon Brown of some more melancholy | :07:30. | :07:33. | |
events later. Tommy, you have both been critical of the state of the | :07:34. | :07:36. | |
Scottish Labour Party. Rather than looking to Gordon Brown, which might | :07:37. | :07:40. | |
be an interim solution, doesn't Scottish Labour have to find a new | :07:41. | :07:44. | |
generation of people to reignite it? What George and I are agreed on and | :07:45. | :07:48. | |
you have to remember this question of independence see us disagreeing | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
passionately, and in most other things we find ourselves in | :07:54. | :07:57. | |
agreement, one thing is clear, Scottish Labour is finished. They | :07:58. | :08:00. | |
have lost the heart and soul of Scotland. The fact that we are | :08:01. | :08:07. | |
discussing with four days to go an independence referendum that is neck | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
and neck, Labour have failed miserably, absolutely miserably | :08:13. | :08:14. | |
because they have given up everything they stood for. The SNP | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
has picked it up. They have just taken on the bank -- mantle of a | :08:20. | :08:22. | |
left of centre party and are picking up support. Gordon and the rest in | :08:23. | :08:27. | |
my opinion, they represent the past. The yes vote on the Yes campaign | :08:28. | :08:30. | |
represents the future. What do you say to that? There is nothing | :08:31. | :08:36. | |
socialist about an SNP that wants to cut business tax by 3% in the pan. | :08:37. | :08:41. | |
There is nothing socialist about an SNP destroying further education so | :08:42. | :08:43. | |
they can give middle-class people free education. The Labour Party is | :08:44. | :08:49. | |
alive and kicking. You can see if it is Gordon Brown, or Jim Murphy with | :08:50. | :08:55. | |
the 100 days tour. But I hesitate to use this word, but they are kind of | :08:56. | :08:59. | |
privatised from the Scottish Labour Party. They have rode their own | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
fallow. Jim Murphy was on the stump because official Scottish Labour did | :09:05. | :09:07. | |
not want him leading their campaign. Gordon Brown was, I think, kept off | :09:08. | :09:12. | |
the stage until it became so critical that he had to be brought | :09:13. | :09:18. | |
back. I agree with John, the SNP talks left but acts right. That is | :09:19. | :09:25. | |
before they get state powers. That is what is exciting about the | :09:26. | :09:28. | |
referendum, it's not about the SNP, it's about the people deciding. What | :09:29. | :09:32. | |
we have heard so far in the referendum campaign is that there is | :09:33. | :09:35. | |
a desperate yearning in the electorate for real politics, | :09:36. | :09:38. | |
purposeful politics and for the people to be represented. It is | :09:39. | :09:41. | |
probably to the eternal shame of labour that they gave up that role | :09:42. | :09:46. | |
and other people are now taking it upon themselves. How would you | :09:47. | :09:49. | |
assess the state of the Labour Party? The problem is that it was | :09:50. | :09:54. | |
demolished by the SNP in 2011 and what they should have done since | :09:55. | :09:57. | |
then and in other circumstances is take a real look within themselves | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
and brought forward new talent and policies and watch out what they | :10:02. | :10:04. | |
stood for. They've been unable to do that because they are locked in a | :10:05. | :10:11. | |
constitutional row. It is the plan of the Nationalists to fight the | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
first Scottish general election as an independent nation as a | :10:16. | :10:17. | |
nationalist party with its own programme. You don't all go your own | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
way. Why don't you do that? You have more on your main reason to be, so | :10:23. | :10:26. | |
why not go, left, right and centre question you are presuming you don't | :10:27. | :10:32. | |
go the one-way. I do not see the function of the SNP after the yes | :10:33. | :10:35. | |
vote. I think it is clear that there is an SNP under Nicola Sturgeon an | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
SNP which attracts votes from the left and that is the one for me | :10:41. | :10:43. | |
Whether that is called the SNP or something else, I don't know. I | :10:44. | :10:46. | |
think the assumption that we are going into a mirror of old politics | :10:47. | :10:51. | |
in a new world is just fundamentally flawed. That is interesting. Let's | :10:52. | :10:59. | |
just bring in the English dimensional. In many ways, England | :11:00. | :11:02. | |
has not spoken in this referendum campaign. Whether it is yes or no, | :11:03. | :11:07. | |
it will, and to give you a flavour of what some in England might be | :11:08. | :11:11. | |
thinking was saying, here is a clip from John Redwood. We are fed up | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
with this lopsided devolution, this unfair devolution. Scotland gets | :11:17. | :11:20. | |
first-class Devolution, Wales gets second-class devolution and England | :11:21. | :11:23. | |
gets nothing. If Wales wants the same as us, they should have it and | :11:24. | :11:27. | |
then there would be commonality so we could discuss and decide in our | :11:28. | :11:31. | |
own countries, in our own assemblies in Parliament, all those things that | :11:32. | :11:38. | |
are devolved. George, it was clear that if Scotland voted yes for | :11:39. | :11:41. | |
independence it has huge implications for England than the | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
UK, but it's also clear particularly after Gordon Brown's intervention, | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
even if it is no, it has huge applications. You are, I suggest, | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
agreeing with John Redwood that there should be an English boys It | :11:54. | :11:58. | |
would be a step too far for me to agree with him -- English voice I | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
appreciate I might have gone out on a limb. He is the voice of Mars the | :12:04. | :12:10. | |
Balkan from Mars. My own constituents in Bradford are asking, | :12:11. | :12:14. | |
what about us? All these things being done, all the extra mile is | :12:15. | :12:18. | |
being travel to Scotland, what about us? Labour would be well advised to | :12:19. | :12:23. | |
adjust quickly on this so that the John Redwood types do not steal the | :12:24. | :12:29. | |
show. England has yes to use -- yet to speak. It's interesting when you | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
hear a Labour backbencher in Scotland talk about a command paper. | :12:34. | :12:40. | |
He is not in government. Gordon Brown is going round Scotland | :12:41. | :12:43. | |
promising things and he has absolutely no chance of delivering | :12:44. | :12:47. | |
them. The MPs in England will say, hey, what are you talking about We | :12:48. | :12:51. | |
have never been discussed with that? We have not agreed with that. The | :12:52. | :12:56. | |
only way people in Scotland will get the powers they deserve is by voting | :12:57. | :13:00. | |
yes. Crystal ball time, Tommy, you think it is 60/40. I will stick with | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
it, because we have an unprecedented election. 97% of Scotland is | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
registered to vote. The working class will vote in numbers never | :13:11. | :13:16. | |
voted before. George? 55/45 for our side. And if there is a rogue poll, | :13:17. | :13:23. | |
the tek Levesley polled -- technically flawed poll, which | :13:24. | :13:27. | |
should not be published because it is so flawed, then we would be | :13:28. | :13:30. | |
stretching towards what I am predicting already. I think in the | :13:31. | :13:33. | |
last few days we will reach that. Come on. If the no campaign can get | :13:34. | :13:38. | |
the silent majority out, they will edge it. You think they will win, | :13:39. | :13:45. | |
but how much? They cannot give up in a second, a moment or a mile. It is | :13:46. | :13:51. | |
that close. It will be won by the passionate view. I will go for a | :13:52. | :13:58. | |
narrow yes victory. I'm the George, 53 or 54% in favour of Joe -- no. -- | :13:59. | :14:05. | |
I am with George. I will leave you to argue about that later. Thank you | :14:06. | :14:08. | |
for being with us on the special Sunday politics from Edinburgh. | :14:09. | :14:11. | |
That's all from us today in Scotland. | :14:12. | :14:12. | |
Don't forget the Daily Politics will have continuing coverage | :14:13. | :14:15. | |
of the referendum campaign all this week on BBC2 at midday. | :14:16. | :14:17. | |
On Thursday night Huw Edwards will be in Glasgow and I will be | :14:18. | :14:21. | |
in London to bring you live coverage of the results on BBC1 from 10. 0 pm | :14:22. | :14:24. | |
on a historic night for Scotland and the rest of the United Kingdom. | :14:25. | :14:28. | |
And I'll be back next Sunday when we're live from the Labour | :14:29. | :14:31. | |
Unless, of course, the referendum result is so tumultuous even the | :14:32. | :14:38. | |
Remember if it's Sunday, it's the Sunday Politics. | :14:39. | :14:44. |