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the time. And more on Sir Chris Hoy's bid to forge a career in motor | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
sport. Hello. Welcome to our look ahead to | :00:00. | :00:23. | |
all the papser. Isabel Hardman and Owen Jones of the Guardiola. We'll | :00:24. | :00:27. | |
look at some of the front pages now. We'll start with The Telegraph. It | :00:28. | :00:32. | |
is leading with comments from the Culture Secretary, "I have let you | :00:33. | :00:36. | |
down." But the front page is dominated by Martin McGuinness, the | :00:37. | :00:39. | |
Deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland, wearing a white tie, as he | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
toasted the health of the Queen, as this evening's State banquet at | :00:44. | :00:47. | |
Windsor Castle. Martin McGuinness dressed in his evening finer | :00:48. | :00:52. | |
features on the front page of the Mail, but alongside is the dignified | :00:53. | :00:58. | |
protest of the father of an Omagh bomb victim holding a placard. The | :00:59. | :01:02. | |
Guardian leads with the Culture Secretary as well and the desperate | :01:03. | :01:08. | |
plea from her Parliamentary aide for people to back her. The Metro talks | :01:09. | :01:15. | |
about the death of Peaches Geldof. They say her father was a sombre | :01:16. | :01:19. | |
figure as he flew in from the United States. She is also on the front | :01:20. | :01:22. | |
page of the Star. The paper claims that drugs and suicide have not been | :01:23. | :01:28. | |
ruled out as a cause of her death. We are going to start, Owen, with | :01:29. | :01:34. | |
the Irish Times. Ireland and Britain walking to a brighter future, the | :01:35. | :01:38. | |
Queen tells the President. The word historic has been used about 17,557 | :01:39. | :01:44. | |
times today and that's on the BBC alone. The fact is, it is historic | :01:45. | :01:52. | |
and amazing? Of course, there's history involved. Ireland and | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
Britain have a very full history and for our generation that's often | :01:57. | :02:00. | |
quite difficult to imagine. The first colony? Absolutely. It was a | :02:01. | :02:05. | |
colony which suffered brutally at the hands of British rule and that | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
seems abtract often to some people on this side of the Irish Sea. We | :02:10. | :02:16. | |
have a legacy which is quite bitter for many people in Ireland of famine | :02:17. | :02:22. | |
and of colonial rule and repression. There's also a legacy here in | :02:23. | :02:27. | |
Britain of a huge Irish community aRG usually the `` arguably the | :02:28. | :02:34. | |
biggest in Britain, and for a long time in post war Britain faced | :02:35. | :02:41. | |
discrim neighs. Infamous, "Dogs, no blacks, no Irish." They were seen in | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
shop windows in postwar Britain and here there is also that sense of | :02:46. | :02:55. | |
some of bitterness with the IRA campaigns. I think this is a | :02:56. | :02:59. | |
milestone in the sense of the Troubles that are long behind people | :03:00. | :03:04. | |
and the days of terrorism and colonialism and a new era of | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
normality. Sure. Isabel, so it all seems fine as far as the two nations | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
are concerned and the two leaders are concerned? And the governments, | :03:15. | :03:18. | |
but if you go up to Northern Ireland, there's a coalition there, | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
but it's so uneasy and in fact, it's fracturing. It is, but I think my | :03:24. | :03:30. | |
generation are more aware of the desire to move on from the past and | :03:31. | :03:33. | |
that is something that is emphasised in the Irish Times. One of the | :03:34. | :03:38. | |
bullet points says, "We shall no longer allow the past to ensnare our | :03:39. | :03:42. | |
future." When there are problems in Northern Ireland there is a sense | :03:43. | :03:45. | |
among the younger generations that they don't want these Troubles any | :03:46. | :03:49. | |
more and actually not every blade of grass in Northern Ireland is marked | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
by your religious background and your position on the union. I think | :03:54. | :03:56. | |
there is this desire to move on, which is what this visit is about. | :03:57. | :04:01. | |
It's about two duns talk `` countries talking about their | :04:02. | :04:05. | |
friendship. I know we are not looking at the Daily Mail, but you | :04:06. | :04:09. | |
referred to it there. We have to remember there are people alive who | :04:10. | :04:12. | |
have real raw suffering. People who love their lives and in the | :04:13. | :04:16. | |
campaigns and had family members or loved ones who died at the hands of | :04:17. | :04:19. | |
loyalist paramilitaries and also died at the hands of the British | :04:20. | :04:25. | |
army, for example, Bloody Sunday. A peace process like this is | :04:26. | :04:27. | |
difficult, particularly for relatives. When I have been to | :04:28. | :04:30. | |
Northern Ireland and speaking to taxi drivers who lost loved ones in | :04:31. | :04:35. | |
situations we can barely imagine here in Britain, but this is what | :04:36. | :04:39. | |
peace process is always like. There's a sense of you have to make | :04:40. | :04:44. | |
the sacrifice and the death toll is over 35,000 people, but that is the | :04:45. | :04:48. | |
end and we can move on as communities. There's a huge amount | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
of optimism. When I was a housing journalist I covered Northern | :04:54. | :04:55. | |
Ireland and I used to talk to social landlords in Northern Ireland and | :04:56. | :04:58. | |
one of the things they do is actually to organise shared space, | :04:59. | :05:02. | |
where Protestant and Catholic communities live together and that | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
would have been unimaginable, in the same way that these pictures of | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
Martin McGuinness having dinner. There is The Telegraph, in white tie | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
toasting the Queen. Did he stand for the National Anthem? It says he did. | :05:17. | :05:22. | |
He said he `` it says he toasted the health and happiness of the Queen. | :05:23. | :05:26. | |
The Sinn Fein MPs refused to take their seat in Parliament because | :05:27. | :05:31. | |
they don't represent the legitimacy of the Parliament and accept the | :05:32. | :05:34. | |
reign of the monarchy. You were talking about your time reporting in | :05:35. | :05:39. | |
Northern Ireland. I think that the idea of different communities living | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
together as opposed to every patch of land being either Protestant or | :05:44. | :05:48. | |
Catholic is an unimaginable, or was, a few years ago as Martin McGuinness | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
toasting the Queen and standing for the National Anthem. So many of your | :05:54. | :05:56. | |
correspondents reported on Northern Ireland in the tough times still | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
feel quite flabbergasted by what has happened today and how symbolic and | :06:01. | :06:05. | |
historic it is. It's not just the last burst, but what they've seen | :06:06. | :06:10. | |
happening. You couldn't imagine that happening when it was really bitter. | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
Owen, the fact is, Martin McGuinness, his presence, while it | :06:16. | :06:21. | |
is look ing to the future and the fact that some have suggested that | :06:22. | :06:26. | |
he's a terrorist and he was a leader of the IRA in Belfast. He is now | :06:27. | :06:33. | |
making that switch to peace maker, but the papers have picked up on the | :06:34. | :06:36. | |
fact that there were demonstrations, small, it has to be said, but he's a | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
symbol of that past. And it's difficult to get away from that. If | :06:41. | :06:47. | |
you lose a loved ones in violent circumstances `` ones in violent | :06:48. | :06:50. | |
circumstances, you are never, ever going to be able to move away. I | :06:51. | :06:54. | |
would expect nobody would expect that to happen. A peace process like | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
this and this is the thing, the idea rather than bombs going off across | :06:59. | :07:03. | |
Britain and Northern Ireland, you have a Sinn Fein lead here appearing | :07:04. | :07:09. | |
in a State banquet in Britain and also even more strikingly, the idea | :07:10. | :07:14. | |
of the democratic unionist party sharing power with Sinn Fein. 20 | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
years ago it was completely unimaginable. For people on all | :07:19. | :07:22. | |
sides have had to make huge sacrifices. There's a long way to | :07:23. | :07:25. | |
go. Particularly the younger people, some bridges have been built, but | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
you have peace walls across Northern Ireland and it's still very, very | :07:30. | :07:35. | |
segregated. You have have a new era of relative economic prosperity and | :07:36. | :07:38. | |
people investing in formed the way they didn't. I think very few people | :07:39. | :07:43. | |
with ever want to go back to the past, certainly. But that legacy of | :07:44. | :07:48. | |
bitterness among all sides, loyalist, Republican and we'll never | :07:49. | :07:55. | |
get over. They'll be there for quite a while. Isabel, I know you love | :07:56. | :08:02. | |
this story and I know you don't think it's gone on too long. Miller | :08:03. | :08:08. | |
as mitts, "I have let you `` admits, "I have let you down she has spoken | :08:09. | :08:16. | |
for written something `` "I have let you down." . She has spoken or | :08:17. | :08:26. | |
written something. This is now 46 seconds if you read it out. This is | :08:27. | :08:32. | |
a lack of wisdom at the centre of the Tory Party. If she had been | :08:33. | :08:36. | |
contrite and apologised for what had happened, there would be some sense | :08:37. | :08:40. | |
of an understanding that most peBs of the public ?5,800 which she had | :08:41. | :08:46. | |
to pay back on overclaimed expenses is a lot of money. You don't think | :08:47. | :08:53. | |
that The Telegraph and the Times and the sort of right`of`centre papers | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
would be going with her with all the stuff with Leveson and so on? I | :08:59. | :09:02. | |
think the link about Leveson was made by her own adviser. It wasn't | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
made by the newspapers. It was her adviser, so I want to flag that up. | :09:07. | :09:12. | |
They had it recorded. It gave them a reason to continue to push. No, but | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
I don't think the row would have been as acrimonious and fierce and I | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
don't think it would have upset as many Conservative MPs. If you look | :09:22. | :09:24. | |
at those who have broken cover in the past few days, Esther McEvoy and | :09:25. | :09:28. | |
Mark Field, everything they focussed on is the way she apologised or | :09:29. | :09:35. | |
didn't. I think that's what really worries voters, maybe she didn't get | :09:36. | :09:40. | |
why this looks so terrible. The 1922 Committee meeting tomorrow and that | :09:41. | :09:43. | |
could be where the big decision comes. I can't remember how days | :09:44. | :09:48. | |
Alastair Campbell said after a certain amount of days on the front | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
page of a newspaper you're dead. I think he said it's a ten`day rule. | :09:53. | :09:57. | |
Alistair's law, ten days. We are approaching that. David Cameron is | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
quite different from Tony Blair, where I think they would have been | :10:02. | :10:05. | |
ruthless and dispatched a minister. You could say that is pro`David | :10:06. | :10:09. | |
Cameron, he has loyalty to the ministers and is loath to see any of | :10:10. | :10:15. | |
them go. I can't remember how long Andrew Mitchell stayed in power. He | :10:16. | :10:21. | |
lost it `` over a stone in weight and went through stress in battling | :10:22. | :10:24. | |
that. The reason this is resonating is quite straightforward. | :10:25. | :10:35. | |
You have MPs when they're accused of wrongdoing get their colleagues, | :10:36. | :10:42. | |
some cases accused of similar wrongdoings to judge them and that | :10:43. | :10:45. | |
sense if you are someone who is accused of benefit fraud and you | :10:46. | :10:48. | |
can't simply say I didn't know the rules, I didn't know the system, the | :10:49. | :10:52. | |
state will come down on you like a ton of bricks. The Guardian, Miller | :10:53. | :11:08. | |
begins fightback. Basically she did apologise, accepted the findings of | :11:09. | :11:12. | |
the inquiry. As David Cameron said a few days ago, that should be the end | :11:13. | :11:19. | |
of the matter. This is the private Secretary to Maria miller who sent a | :11:20. | :11:22. | |
message to her colleagues suggesting this was a witch`hunt over Leveson | :11:23. | :11:31. | |
and Maria needed their support. Jeremy Hunt when he was having a | :11:32. | :11:36. | |
struggle in the Commons his PPS did similar things to try to drum up | :11:37. | :11:40. | |
support amongst colleagues. Unfortunately... He survived. He got | :11:41. | :11:45. | |
promoted, became Secretary of State for Health. Which shows that was an | :11:46. | :11:50. | |
effective campaign. The problem is that Mary Macleod didn't operate in | :11:51. | :11:56. | |
the same subtle way as Hunt's PPS and the suggestion there is a | :11:57. | :12:00. | |
witch`hunt when the individualser to Maria Miller `` advisor to Maria | :12:01. | :12:10. | |
Miller flagged the link. She volunteered that link. And made that | :12:11. | :12:14. | |
as a threat. That's why people are making this link because she did | :12:15. | :12:19. | |
that. As far as the 1922 committee, meeting tomorrow, they're going to | :12:20. | :12:25. | |
make the point, some one would have thought, it's those marginal seats, | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
it's our jobs on the line because the public are angry about this. I | :12:30. | :12:35. | |
don't think this is going to be the decisive meeting some people think | :12:36. | :12:38. | |
it will. The executives meet with the Prime Minister before the | :12:39. | :12:45. | |
meeting and will raise concerns raised to them. They'll go into the | :12:46. | :12:50. | |
full meeting with backbenchers and doubtless MPs will want to raise it | :12:51. | :12:54. | |
with him. He may be able to say to them let's sit on this and wait for | :12:55. | :12:58. | |
recess which I think is the worst idea because they'll go back to | :12:59. | :13:01. | |
their constituencies and talk to angry voters for two weeks. Their | :13:02. | :13:07. | |
hope is this will just fuel a general sense of this is what the | :13:08. | :13:10. | |
entire political elite are like, it will bring back memories of expenses | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
scandal which implicated all parties. Obviously the danger for | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
the Conservatives is this will boost UKIP who to a degree are a kind of | :13:19. | :13:23. | |
none of the above box on the voting ballot. They'll be rubbing their | :13:24. | :13:28. | |
hands at this. It's a way of sticking your fingers up at the | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
political elite. The reason it resonates, a fall in living | :13:33. | :13:41. | |
standards, and MPs nr the top % of earners. `` ` MPs are in the top | :13:42. | :13:47. | |
percent of earners. They don't regard themselves as much of a | :13:48. | :13:50. | |
service as they once did. They compare themselves to other | :13:51. | :13:53. | |
professions paid more than them and saw expenses as a way of topping up | :13:54. | :13:58. | |
pay to compete with others. I will repeat that an investigation did | :13:59. | :14:02. | |
take place and they said she should pay back ?6,000 and she apologised | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
and that would be her side. There you go. You guys are going to be | :14:07. | :14:13. | |
back in an hour's time. Many thanks for that. Stay with us here on BBC | :14:14. | :14:18. | |
news, at the top of the hour the first ever state visit to the UK by | :14:19. | :14:21. | |
a President of the Irish Republic. The Queen welcomes Michael D | :14:22. | :14:26. | |
Higgins. I am not sure if they're still eating at the banquet. Anyway, | :14:27. | :14:28. | |
it's time for Sportsday. Hello and welcome to Sportsday. I am | :14:29. | :14:49. | |
John Watson. Coming up: A dramatic night at Stamford Bridge as Demba Ba | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
sends Chelsea into the last four of the Champions | :14:54. | :14:55. |