14/11/2015 The Papers

We will be taking a look at tomorrow morning's papers in a moment.

First the headlines at 11:30pm: High security on the streets of Paris

tonight, as new footage emerges of police exchanging fire with

Prosecutors confirmed 129 are dead and 350 injured, many critically.

Eight gunmen wearing suicide vests targeted half a dozen venues.

Seven of the gunmen blew themselves up.

David Cameron says Britain's terror threat remains at severe level, but

Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers

With me are French-Algerian journalist Nabila Ramdani,

Robert Fox, defence editor for the London Evening Standard,

and joining us from our Paris bureau is France 24's Leela Jacinto.

Tomorrow's front pages, starting with some of the French papers.

Sorrow and Anger is the headline on Le Figaro.

Liberation has a dramatic front page.

It has publishing a special edition about the events in Paris.

In the British papers, the Sunday Telegraph has a striking

picture of people hanging out of windows to escape the attackers.

The Observer focuses on the investigation into those

behind the attacks, saying three people have been arrested.

The Daily Mail claims the attackers entered Europe as fake refugees.

The Sunday Express says the SAS is on the streets of London,

The Sunday Times has pictures of the first victims to be named, including

Briton Nick Alexander, who worked for the band playing at the Bataclan

And the Independent asks "how did it happen and what happens next?"

They are questions many of the newspapers try to find the answers

to as well. Let's go to Paris. Many of the French newspapers really have

had their first proper opportunity to digests what happened in Paris,

and react and ask those questions. And the -- Le Figaro focusing on

those questions. What is really striking is how different these

attacks were to the Charlie Hebdo attacks. The slogan, Je Suis

Charlie. It is a very defiant spirit here. If you see Le Figaro, which

has a right of centre newspaper, the lower the sorrow and anger, there is

we will win the war. So that is a theme that I am seeing this time

that I didn't really see after the Charlie Hebdo attacks. Is how

newspapers like Le Figaro are reporting on the events of Paris, is

that changing as well? Is there a different tone? No, on the reporting

it has been pretty straightforward. All of Saturday they were... You

know, most of the news was driven by information coming from police

sources, which was actually confirmed later this evening when

the Paris prosecutor had a press briefing. So, you know, it has been

very much focused on what happened. And of course, a lot of victims

stories. Because this is a part of Paris that... Paris is not a very

large city, so it has touched a lot of Peruvians. What do you make of Le

Figaro? So many British papers focus on the investigations, the reactions

-- Parisians. We will get on to the British papers at the moment, Le

Figaro very much focusing on the grief. Indeed, it is a very

passionate editorial, it has to be said, and a very belligerent

headline. The nation at war. It goes into how France was lured into this

false sense of security after the Charlie Hebdo attacks, and now with

these attacks happening again on a much wider scale, basically the

editorial argues that France have to wake up, and they paint a picture, a

very dramatic picture, of a clash of civilisations, basically, between us

and them. The abomination of the so-called Islamic State, and the

defence of French values and western values. And they argue that if we

are to defeat those evils, we are not going to achieve that with

slogans, tweets, marches in central Paris, or confronting them with

secular values. We have to be... You know, a bit more belligerent than

that. So already, French newspapers, less than 24 hours after the

attacks, very different to last time, we are starting to ask very

provocative questions about where do we go. Is it worth it? Should we

continue to get more involved? What are the politicians discussing right

now? Liberation has a very striking front page. Very powerful, very

stark. No text at all. And it is black. The editorial is interesting

in several respects in Le Figaro. It uses war. It takes Francois Hollande

at his word and says we are going to make war. It has a rather chilling

line, this army of criminals, which we now know that commanders are

abroad and we must attack them. Interestingly, its international

edition emanates from Paris as well. The New York Times has been

taking up much the same line. Very strange reporting in the afternoon

edition today. I have been looking at an online saying, now is the time

to really get serious about the attack on Islamic State in Syria, in

Iraq, I have just been on Channel Five live arguing with the former

director of the CIA, saying go in and bash them, that is the way we

have been weak about the air operation and I made the point vet

to him, which I make in this, in military terms this is saying there

is a centre of gravity, if you pull it apart the whole thing falls

apart. You can hit Islamic State in Mosul, in Raqqa, and that's it. What

we have learnt from this and the weak's events, the terrible attacks

in Baghdad, on soft targets in Beirut. It isn't as easy as that, it

isn't as easy as taking out two or three capitals, provincial centres

on the ground. Although they are an important part of the story, as we

will discover. What do you think people in Paris want to see? Do they

want to see Liberation with the roses they are and the very black

and respectful front page, or do they want to hear from the

politicians? What are they discussing, what are they going to

do about this? I don't think they want to hear from the politicians. I

think they are sort of terrified about when... And it surely will,

this issue will get politicised. For now, the politicians are rallying

together. Francois Hollande is going to be addressing Parliament on

Monday. Everyone is making the right noises but this will surely become

politicised. When we first started getting reports that there was a

Syrian passport discovered on the scene, you know, there was alarm

among some of my French colleagues, of Algerian origin, because does

this mean that Marine Le Pen... Is the next target going to be the

migrants now? I just want to get your reaction to the Mail on Sunday

here in the UK. It's focus is very much on how the Islamic extremists

got into Paris, how they got there, and their headline is Paris jihadis

got in as fake refugees. What is the strength of feeling about the

migrant crisis? About Borders? Of course, it is difficult. Because if

you are going to protect your borders, you do at the Islamic

extremists want you to do, and lose your freedom. I am large the French

are committed to the European Union and to the spirit of the European

Union, and you know, they did not take to David Cameron's speech last

week very well. There is really a sense of shock. Mind you, there is a

state of emergency in Paris right now, which we haven't seen for a

decade. Not much really being said, as far as I can tell, on the

borders. People just seem to take it as a given. That security measures

have to be tightened. We were already in a state of alert after

the Charlie Hebdo attacks and people seem to be accepting that security

is going to be tight right now. Did you see many headlines like that

even before the attacks? Were their reports about how dangerous the

migrant crisis could be for security? Well, that depends on

which paper you read. Liberation certainly not all stop a bit like

here. We do know, and the Daily Mail goes into this, that we have heard

from Greece saying that they believe it is highly likely at least one of

the gunmen could have got into France via Greece. We do know that a

Syrian passport was left near the bodies of one of the gunmen. I think

that kind of story was always going to be inevitable, that you have a

link between what is to be inevitable, that you have a

link between what -- what has happened in Paris and the wider

political situation, across Europe as it were. So... But they are

conflicting reports about what the Greeks are actually saying. It is

all apparently still based on claims, and if I may put it that

way, the probability, the conclusion is not that conclusive. One of the

inside headlines, secret cargo, jihadis bound for Britain as well.

But if you read the text on the other papers, like the Sunday Times,

one of the leaders came from the district from which the Kuwachi

brothers came. There is something Indigenous about this. It is

interesting that the papers get into the entrails of this. This is a

very, very difficult and extremely complex case. It is both domestic

and global. It does have referenced. In one of the best pieces I have

read by a friend which just came up, I'm sure there are other interesting

and insightful pieces which I haven't yet scanned is Patrick

Cockburn's excellent piece in the Independent. It says what is old and

what is new about it. Very simply, he makes the point... We are in

total agreement, he said what is new about this is the sophistication of

the mounting of the attack. This was kamikaze attack rather like mom by,

the attack on the hotel district in 2008 -- Mumbai. The attackers were

expendable. Once they got out of their vehicles, which is another

story, exactly what vehicles did they get out of and all that, but to

get all that gear into the right place at the right time with the

reliability that somebody was going to do that dreadful stuff in the

concert hall, this is the really interesting one, in the concert

Hall, and going around the four restaurants and firing off a

magazine or two each time, getting back in the car and then going on,

tells you a hell of a lot about the lack of surveillance on Paris

streets. And there is another almost made description which comes up in

two or three of the papers of one of the attackers allegedly trying to

get into the stadium when the match was already on, and more or less

security on the gate says go away, they had spotted something. They had

spotted the suicide vest, allegedly, and there were several accounts of

this. He steps back, blows himself up, they hear it inside the stadium

and the match goes on. It is very, very odd indeed. And then they

hustle the President out of the stadium. Was he the target? It could

have been so much worse. It is bad but it could have been so much

worse. I'm not criticising the journalism, which has been

excellent. You or I or three or four of us will have been only these

rolling stories web hit after bit after bit on the canvas is very

rich, and it is very complex -- where it after bit. And the

Independent says we are struggling to nail down what is old and new

about it but the man who actually nails it is Patrick, Patrick

Cockburn says that the Islamic State is now going for soft targets. And

the Independent not just asking what happened, but what happened next.

That is what every one is talking about as well. Absolutely, and that

is why I slightly disagree that the French don't want to hear about it

from politicians. What the front page here is doing is putting on a

very sombre front page the emphasis on grief and morning, and respect

for the dead. But the next step is surely for the government to answer

questions -- mourning. You know, how did that happen? Can we know more

about it? And as it stands, the investigation remains very sketchy

indeed. It is all based on claims, allegations, and at this stage I

would be very suspicious about the kinds of things that are presented

as facts, like the Syrian passport which seems to be planted next to a

body. We have seen that in the case of the Charlie Hebdo attacks with

the brothers, and one of the brothers had forgotten his identity

card in the car. I think we have to take all these clues with a bit of

caution. World leaders are now discussing

military action against Islamic State. For many people in Paris

tonight, they might not want more military action. They have already

felt what that might lead to. But it might increase the feeling of a lot

of people that we need to be more involved. Is that the kind of thing

you are hearing in Paris? That there should be more military action that

there should be? Frans is very active in the fight against the

hardest groups, whether it is in North Africa... -- France. Whether

it is Boko Haram... The French are used to be very robust military

involvement. They are raising their eyebrows that a socialist president

like Francois Hollande seems so much more gung ho than his US and British

counterparts on the Syrian tragedy. Like many people, they tend to think

after all these years, what are we doing with the rebel partners that

we have and that we cannot really trust? There is not really an

appetite for military involvement but there is a numbers ending that

France is a big player, a big military player, on the

international stage. The Times Takes it back to how people are feeling

and how they are reacting right now, while papers like the Telegraph

lookahead. They have the names and images of the victims. 129 right

now, with many more injured. What strikes me is how young some of

those faces are. Only one of them confirmed as British so far. And

this comes as no surprise. Because these areas are very useful areas --

youthful areas, frequented by young people, and they have been described

by commentators as areas frequented by liberal, open-minded young men

and women, who effectively represent the opposite of what ISIS stands for

and that is why there would have been a prime target. ISIS resents

that kind of joie de vivre and what you would do on a Paris street. You

think they were targeting young people anywhere in Paris? I would be

very interested to hear about that. It seemed to be that the main effort

was the star -- stadium. They knew the district very well. What do you

think? I could not agree more. These were not obvious targets. You had to

be a real Parisian. Soft targets. The stadium seemed a more obvious

target and the parallels with the Mumbai attacks are very start here.

-- stark. But this is not a 5-star hotel or the Westgate shopping mall

in Nairobi, places where the super-rich capitalists hang around.

This was just a young crowd. That is what makes it really shocking. It

will give many people the sense that we are not safe anywhere. It is not

just big events, it can be just having a drink with a friend. But it

is also the timing. More questions than answers but it is something

that we have to establish. Again, the only person I have seen

mentioning it... This is multidimensional. There is something

very conventional to what ISIS does. It actually declared an

Islamic State. And it has territory. It has to hold that land

and it has been losing a great deal of ground over the last two to three

weeks. The blast Sinjar, which is vital to the communications and

smuggling routes. Those are the routes you want to use if you are

going to export oil. This is a body blow to them and there seems to be

something going on saying let us have diverging reaction, so we have

had this terrible attacks on civilians in Lebanon and Baghdad,

which have not been given the full coverage that they deserve, and we

had the bombing and now this. It is to show that they are all

conquering. It is to show that they can hit soft targets wherever. And

that is the terror side of it. It is kamikaze stuff and it is vulgar and

indiscriminate. That is the horrible side of it that strikes. Because it

is so irrational, it strikes intellectual terror. It is

interesting that it is clearly a massive PR coup, if I can but put it

bluntly. What Patrick is saying is that it reflects a sign of

desperation. They are actually losing ground, being pushed back...

In Iraq and Syria. So they come here and attack us on our home soil. They

are losing its title as the premier jihadi flag bearer. That is what

happened with the various affiliate of Al-Qaeda. They lose the brand

leadership. There is something going on there. There is a really cruel

and wicked mind behind this. I suspect in a lot of the modus

operandi that there are one or two others really tough Chechens that

have been behind the forces in where ISIS is in Iraq. They picked a

concert hall. The Chechens like doing that. It is a confined space

with very young people and it is an easy target. The Observer picks up

on that. Police hunt for clues. By launching attacks like this, they

expose themselves. They expose as to how they may do the next attack. It

does leave clues. One very important thing about this attack is that

France has seen lone wolf attacks. A Frenchman was arguably the first

blowback of the Syrian conflict, targeting the Jewish museum in

Brussels. This is very different. This is co-ordinated and the claim

came very quickly, the very next day. It is also the first suicide

attack. Going back to this business of the caliphate, I think that we

are getting it wrong by saying just hours after our Kurdish allies

entered Sinjar we have this very co-ordinated attack but almost

seems... We don't use the word Central command. We used to use that

term for Al-Qaeda. But it really shows that it does not matter what

is happening in Syria and Iraq. And in a way, maybe you are right in

that the aspiration will trigger these kinds of attacks. We saw with

the Russian plane and the Beirut attacks on the Hezbollah

neighbourhood, the global jihad, ISIS's global reach, is becoming

much more sophisticated. For a year, we thought they were just

concentrating on holding and administering territory. It has gone

to a different game now. That is the key point. They are saying that

they're not going to be focused on that. Sinjar is just the latest.

They felt they were losing ground. There was pressure on the territory

of the Islamic State. Now we're going to do something us because

we're not a one trick pony and we're going to show that we can strike you

where it really hurts. And there is still a military presence in Paris

tonight but the Sunday Express suggests that in London the SAS is

on our streets. Is that something that would worry you, knowing that

there are plain armed soldiers protecting British cities? Or does

it make you feel safer? We have heard the French President using the

language of war, saying this was an act of war perpetrated against

France and that France is determined to fight terrorism in a merciless

fashion, and this has been echoed by his British counterpart, David

Cameron, who is just doing the same, proving that he is being pragmatic

about it. He does not want to be complacent about it. Obviously the

British people are going to be scared about what is happening next

door. It is only two hours away on the Euros da. And there are

legitimate concerns about the British population. -- on the

Eurostar. Britain went through that a few years ago and does not want to

see a similar scenario unfold again on British soil, so what David

Cameron is doing, effectively, his policy is now revolving on war and

he is taking all the security measures he possibly can to reassure

the British public. Many thanks to our guests. Our thoughts are with

you all and your colleagues in Paris. Thank you for taking us

through the papers. Our coverage continues on BBC News. Don't go

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