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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers | :00:15. | :00:17. | |
With me are political commentator Jo Phillips and Nigel Nelson, political | :00:18. | :00:26. | |
The Observer reports security chiefs are warning Britain's counter-terror | :00:27. | :00:36. | |
forces must be boosted if they are to cope with a Paris-style attack. | :00:37. | :00:43. | |
The Sunday Telegraph says Britain looks set to join air strikes | :00:44. | :00:45. | |
against Islamic State targets in Syria by Christmas. | :00:46. | :00:49. | |
The Sunday Times says action could be taken as early as two weeks | :00:50. | :00:52. | |
The Sunday Express also leads with Syria and says senior generals | :00:53. | :00:59. | |
believe a full-scale offensive would wipe IS off the map in two weeks. | :01:00. | :01:12. | |
And the Independent on Sunday asks, 'Where do we go from here?' | :01:13. | :01:16. | |
Britain's response to the threat from terrorism. | :01:17. | :01:20. | |
Beginning with the Sunday Times. What do you make of this? PM's push | :01:21. | :01:26. | |
to bomb ISIS within a fortnight? As you say, it varies between before | :01:27. | :01:32. | |
Christmas and a fortnight. We are just working out the maths. David | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
Cameron has got to put in a report to the defence committee by | :01:38. | :01:42. | |
Thursday, so that's going to be, according to this story, a 7-point | :01:43. | :01:47. | |
plan. Always a bit worrying, but he will put out his plan for what we | :01:48. | :01:54. | |
would do, how we would engage and whether we take airstrikes against | :01:55. | :01:57. | |
Syria. In the meantime he is going off to Paris tomorrow to see | :01:58. | :02:02. | |
president or mind, that a mere platoon is going as well. -- | :02:03. | :02:08. | |
President Hollande. Everyone is checking across Europe. It is clear | :02:09. | :02:12. | |
that he could then leave a weekend to think about it and call a vote | :02:13. | :02:16. | |
next week. Yes. There is the possibility. If authorisation were | :02:17. | :02:22. | |
given, that could lead to pretty swift action. I think you would. You | :02:23. | :02:30. | |
would hear about it. Tomorrow morning we would wake up and the | :02:31. | :02:34. | |
strikes would be taking place. However, there's quite a lot of work | :02:35. | :02:39. | |
to do before we get to that point. Presumably a lesson that David | :02:40. | :02:43. | |
Cameron should have learned from two years ago is that this kind of fast | :02:44. | :02:48. | |
paced decisions sometimes means people aren't in the same place as | :02:49. | :02:52. | |
you when you ask the question. You have to make sure you know where | :02:53. | :02:55. | |
everyone is. He only has a majority of 12 and there are at least 20 Tory | :02:56. | :03:02. | |
MPs who are unhappy. It doesn't mean they won't vote with the Prime | :03:03. | :03:08. | |
Minister, take the SNP, you will probably vote against airstrikes and | :03:09. | :03:12. | |
Labour are all over the place at the moment. Labour frontbenchers are | :03:13. | :03:19. | |
pushing Jeremy Corbyn into a free vote. They can decide what they will | :03:20. | :03:24. | |
do. Jeremy Corbyn seems to be fairly clear from the speech today that he | :03:25. | :03:27. | |
is still against airstrikes themselves. The question is whether | :03:28. | :03:35. | |
he whips his MPs. We also have a complete change in public opinion, | :03:36. | :03:38. | |
which has been reflected in some of the polls. That is massive. I mean, | :03:39. | :03:44. | |
wobbly if you did it two weeks ago before Paris it would have been | :03:45. | :03:48. | |
quite different. There's really no significant shift public opinion. | :03:49. | :03:55. | |
That is what MPs will get when they go back to their constituencies. | :03:56. | :04:00. | |
Some of these stories in the papers today are quite chilling. If you | :04:01. | :04:05. | |
look at the Sunday Times, we talk about intelligence officials saying | :04:06. | :04:08. | |
ISIS has set up an international attacks unit to conduct mass | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
atrocities in Britain, there are talks about chemical attacks. We | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
have a very frightened... We have been here before, haven't we? That | :04:19. | :04:24. | |
is very much what has been suggested by Al Qaeda, after 9/11. It didn't | :04:25. | :04:32. | |
come to anything, but it is in the minds of the security services. The | :04:33. | :04:37. | |
possibility exists. Eventually medical -- Middle Eastern terrorists | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
will get their hands on a dirty nuclear bomb. If they have long in a | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
fall of these things will happen. There's a general agreement now that | :04:46. | :04:50. | |
the only answer is to defeat and wipe it out. The Sunday Telegraph. | :04:51. | :04:56. | |
You are talking earlier about the sorts of slightly grim tone to some | :04:57. | :05:02. | |
of the coverage in the papers. It couldn't be more blunt. Absolutely. | :05:03. | :05:09. | |
It is a very evocative photograph of an RAF tornado jets, pictured here. | :05:10. | :05:15. | |
Not least because of the black skies behind it. Yes. It is chilling. I | :05:16. | :05:31. | |
mean, this is echoing what the defence chiefs and former defence | :05:32. | :05:35. | |
chiefs have been saying. In the Sunday Telegraph, Lord Damon says | :05:36. | :05:41. | |
that it could even go so far as bringing Syrian refugees into | :05:42. | :05:51. | |
forces. You need groups -- troops on the ground. To go back to getting | :05:52. | :05:58. | |
David Cameron to have people on board, there will be a reluctance | :05:59. | :06:01. | |
for just airstrikes. There has to be something else. The question is how | :06:02. | :06:05. | |
quickly you can mobilise ground troops, because you can go in with | :06:06. | :06:11. | |
airstrikes within hours, but how can immobilise them? If you are going to | :06:12. | :06:14. | |
work with these different factions you have to talk to... It has to be | :06:15. | :06:20. | |
one step at a time. First of all we have the RAF in action. That would | :06:21. | :06:25. | |
be the first stage. Then let's see where it goes from there. We leap | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
ahead of ourselves if we assume there will be a ground war, just | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
because... This is presumably in the run-up to any parliamentary vote? | :06:35. | :06:39. | |
Exactly. Some MPs will say their reluctance to vote yes is not | :06:40. | :06:42. | |
necessarily because of the airstrikes but because of what it | :06:43. | :06:47. | |
could then take from this. Effectively they would say that they | :06:48. | :06:51. | |
have been authorised to do whatever. The vote will be narrower on | :06:52. | :06:55. | |
airstrikes I think. It sounds like that's what this paper will be. It | :06:56. | :07:00. | |
doesn't sound like the UN Resolution has shifted Jeremy Corbyn's view, | :07:01. | :07:05. | |
given what he said in the speech today. It is weird. He seemed to | :07:06. | :07:10. | |
save the day before that what he was looking for was some kind of UN | :07:11. | :07:13. | |
Resolution. It is a bit confusing, the legality of that. But it seems | :07:14. | :07:22. | |
Russia and China are onside. David Cameron didn't think Russia would be | :07:23. | :07:27. | |
and now they are. We now have the makings of an international | :07:28. | :07:30. | |
coalition, which we didn't have when we went into Iraq. We didn't have 24 | :07:31. | :07:42. | |
hours. It is suggested that there has been a shift in parliamentary | :07:43. | :07:48. | |
opinion? Yes. The Express and the Sunday Mirror and the Independent | :07:49. | :07:57. | |
have all got opinion polls and there has been a significant shift in | :07:58. | :08:03. | |
people going into action together. But I disagree with you. I think he | :08:04. | :08:10. | |
will have to reassure MPs what the plan is. That has to be in his | :08:11. | :08:16. | |
7-point plan, or 5-point plan, before he can go to the comments | :08:17. | :08:20. | |
with a vote. He would say he would vote with, but he wants to know what | :08:21. | :08:24. | |
happens after. It would be tricky to ask them to vote on ground troops. I | :08:25. | :08:29. | |
mean, from the humiliation of 2013, when he couldn't get Commons | :08:30. | :08:38. | |
approval to go and bomb Assad, which was supposed to be a punishment. | :08:39. | :08:42. | |
Yes. The use of chemical weapons. I do also think you need to send the | :08:43. | :08:47. | |
planes in and find out where we are. We all seem to agree that we cannot | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
win this war from the air. But at least he started that. You also have | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
the different thing that we said last time, this is not intervention, | :08:57. | :09:01. | |
this is defence. This is defending Europe and Britain. But the | :09:02. | :09:09. | |
significance. On the Independent story, it is an interesting survey | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
of attitudes to world leaders and whether they are trusted and whether | :09:15. | :09:17. | |
people regard them favourably or unfavourably. Barack Obama has got | :09:18. | :09:23. | |
quite a hefty lead. I suspect these figures are not just people in the | :09:24. | :09:26. | |
US, but more globally how people view these different leaders. This | :09:27. | :09:34. | |
particular one is here, in the UK. Forgive me, my eyesight isn't good | :09:35. | :09:43. | |
enough! Everybody is wonderfully divided. As far as the European | :09:44. | :09:54. | |
politician goes, she is far in a way that most adept of any of them and | :09:55. | :09:59. | |
it would look like the public thing... We are just not quite sure. | :10:00. | :10:03. | |
She gets a favourability and an favourability rating. When did they | :10:04. | :10:15. | |
do this? Last week. Two weeks ago President Hollande may not have been | :10:16. | :10:18. | |
so good at it. I will rush you through the Sunday express. | :10:19. | :10:23. | |
Optimistic message from generals. We can beat jihadis in 14 days. It is | :10:24. | :10:32. | |
united across all of the papers. These are clear messages from the | :10:33. | :10:37. | |
military. Going back to the Sunday Times. One nice story at the end. | :10:38. | :10:43. | |
Very dapper bottom. A story about Sir David Murray the bra. David | :10:44. | :10:55. | |
Attenborough is classic. Very successful. Still at it in his 80s. | :10:56. | :11:03. | |
89, in actual fact. 60 years ago he went on his first scuba-dive to the | :11:04. | :11:09. | |
Australian Great Barrier Reef and he has gone back again, which I think | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
is absolutely fabulous. He has gone with the cameraman and a pilot. He | :11:14. | :11:25. | |
has been down there to record staff for a BBC One programme. In 1957 he | :11:26. | :11:32. | |
made his first trip to the Reef, we probably don't remember that, and it | :11:33. | :11:36. | |
was shot in black and white. Imagine what it was like in 1950 72 film | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
underwater? Just astonishing. What isn't that great? He has done it. | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
Followed a group of fish all the way down. It was a 6-foot group. Where | :11:47. | :12:05. | |
would you go if you could? I wonder where you would like to go. If you | :12:06. | :12:10. | |
could go anywhere? If somebody gave you a camera crew and said it could | :12:11. | :12:14. | |
go anywhere? The great big about this particular one is he is going | :12:15. | :12:18. | |
somewhere that nobody, no human being, has gone before. That must be | :12:19. | :12:25. | |
incredibly exciting. Yes, I think underwater is fascinating. I have | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
done a bit of scuba-diving. I still think you can't beat the oceans. | :12:30. | :12:36. | |
There is a fantastic photography exhibition about the Endeavour. | :12:37. | :12:42. | |
Franklin's doomed trip. I think you can't beat that. | :12:43. | :12:44. | |
Thank you, Jo Phillips and Nigel Nelson. | :12:45. | :12:54. | |
Thank you for putting the oceans in our minds. | :12:55. | :12:56. | |
Coming up next, it's The Film Review. | :12:57. | :13:00. |