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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers

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With me are political commentator Jo Phillips and Nigel Nelson, political

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The longest serving political editor, is that right? Yes, for my

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sins. You will know a political story when you see one. Let's have a

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look before we dissect their front pages.

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The Observer reports security chiefs are warning Britain's counter-terror

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forces must be boosted if they are to cope with a Paris-style attack.

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The Sunday Telegraph says Britain looks set to join air strikes

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against Islamic State targets in Syria by Christmas.

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The Sunday Express also leads with Syria and says senior generals

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believe a full-scale offensive would wipe IS off the map in two weeks.

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And The Independent on Sunday asks "where do we go from here?"

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with Britain's response to the threat from terrorism.

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Bright, Jo and Nigel, who wants to begin? Britain prepares for war. It

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is certainly a grim front page with a photo of an RAF Tornado, one of

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the aircraft that would be used if we go into bombing raids against

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Syria. The story says ministers believe we will be warming Syria by

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Christmas. Downing Street in all The Papers say no date has been set and

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after failing to get a vote last time, Mr Cameron will want to make

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sure he has backing, but I think we will talk a little bit about the

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surveys that show a huge growing public support for action, but what

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this is really about is, what do you do apart from bombing raids? It has

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to be something on the ground and that is increasingly the message

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from the fence chiefs. Lord Dannatt is writing in the Telegraph, a

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former chief of staff of the army said the same thing the other day,

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you cannot just go win and do that, and I think we will now see some

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fast politicking. Deals that have to be done with people we might not

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necessarily choose to. By which you mean President Assad. That was the

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basis on which David Cameron last asked the House of Commons to

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authorise action in Syria and they said no. Then it was Assad and his

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forces, now we have a threat from Islamic State. I think Jo is right,

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things are moving at a huge rate, so with the UN resolution last night

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that is clearing the way to start bombing, Cameron meets Francois

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Hollande on Monday with a strategy on what the doing, President

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Hollande then goes to Washington and Moscow, so we can see it welding up

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but David Cameron still has to win a Commons vote and it is not yet

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certain. I am sure the whips are running around as we speak to check

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who is doing what but it is not certain. There is also this light

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misinterpretation of the UN resolution which was rapidly passed

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last night but did not come up with the chapters seven clause. I was

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talking to a UN expert on Saturday for BBC Radio four, who was

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convinced it does, and he says people are briefing in Newark, do

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not panic, this is symbolic but does not have any legal teeth, and the

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experts are saying, at least this one says it has got that authorities

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if people want to use it. It is open to interpretation and therefore

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misinterpretation. That adds to the nervousness amongst some, Nigel may

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say what are we getting ourselves into? The essential thing is Russia

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and China coming on board, only on Wednesday David Cameron said he

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thought the Russians would veto it, so he might go ahead without a UN

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resolution. The Westminster bet is where it moves to as far as David

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Cameron goes, but the problem is we are now talking about sending ground

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forces in and people are saying this was never on the cards before,

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people are making it clear in the vapours tomorrow, the military

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chiefs, Liam Fox that former Defence Secretary, you cannot win a war from

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the air, you have to be on the ground. Let's move on to pages two

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and three of the Independent on Sunday. They have done a whole of

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public opinion on the world's leaders, if they have a favourable

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view of the following leaders, and poor Francois Hollande, to be fair

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is doing better but still a long way behind our back Obama, who has not

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taken the lead on this. Interesting that Angela Merkel is split down the

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middle. Vladimir Putin is the world's favourite baddie. Like

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Marmite! You were thinking of venture might. Barack Obama is not

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figuring in what is going on, this is a European thing, Putin is going

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to Barack. Russia has a pivotal role in what is happening in Syria

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because they are allies of President Assad and as Jeremy Greenstock, our

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former ambassador to the UN, he says the UK will have to learn to support

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the devil, and whether that is Russia or Assad, whether it is even

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Al-Qaeda forces and the Free Syrian Army and all sorts of other

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coalitions, but a coalition of the least worst options. Nigel, would

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you endorse the suggestion Cameron will unveil a plan within days? If

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there is going to bomb by Christmas we will need to get a vote through

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the House of Commons quickly. The express says they can beat jihad is

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within days. We only have the first page of it but it is military

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commanders training officers to beat Kurdish fighters, they support

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tougher British action in Syria, 60% favouring a ground war and that is a

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huge shed. The question is, as ever, this is one survey but is it

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indicative of a trend? And immediate reaction to events in Paris. We are

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now getting some idea of people stiffening their resolve and

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hardening to the idea we might have to do it. It would be a shift if

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that was sustained, given the Barack aftermath has been a sense that

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British public opinion would not wear boots on the ground.

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Circumstances have changed because of Paris, but I think politicians

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might have more thought this time than last time, so the key thing

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Cameron will have to produce is, what happens afterwards? We cannot

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leave states to descend into civil war as we did with Libya, Iraq and

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we will have to see in Afghanistan. Pity the Chilcott report will not be

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out in time! That is not so much about intervention in Syria at about

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defending Europe. That is how he will fetch it. I am assuming, he

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will be listening to these military voices. It is clear they know what

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they are doing and they know how to win. It is whether we want to do

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with. Let's look at the Observer, this is the other side of this, not

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so much what you'd do in Syria and whether you do anything but what you

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might need to go back here to make the UK's safe, given that Islamic

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State seems willing to take the battle to western Europe. The

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Observer is talking about the comprehensive spending review on

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Wednesday, and the police want, especially counterterrorism police,

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they want the kind of resources they need to do the job, ?200 billion,

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and are worried George Osborne might take it away and given to defence.

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We know we need that kind of material, George Osborne still wants

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to stay on target for his ?10 billion savings by 2020, he will

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have to do sleight of hand to achieve that. It will be a battle

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between defence and the Home Office because if the defence review is

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tomorrow, isn't it? Then you have CSR on Wednesday, so if you give

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this money for fighting terrorism that should come out of defence,

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perhaps it is the time to say to the police force, maybe we need a

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national lease force. Given the controversy at the creation of a

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lease Scotland's... Police England might be too far. 43 in England and

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Wales, it seems ludicrous, a small country does not need 43 police

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forces and two in London. Metropolitan Police and city police.

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As you know. In the old days of Fleet Street, now all journalists

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drink water but in the days when they got drug at night, the city

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police would take them just over the border, away from Fleet Street, the

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Met with, long and put them back again into the city area, they would

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go backwards and forwards all night. By which time they had sobered up

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and nobody had to deal with that! Let's go back to the Telegraph, this

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comes out of another BBC programme, songs of praise. This is the

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Archbishop of Canterbury in a PC has done for songs of praise, who said

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the attacks in Paris left him asking white God wasn't there and he said

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it is a chink in his armour and I think that is incredibly honest. I

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think he is a terrific Archbishop because he has had a life outside,

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he has been... He has beat on the side of Mammon as well, but I think

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it is brave to say his faith was tested. There I say, if this had

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been Rowan Williams saying it, for Robert Runcie, some of The Papers

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might have taken it, it says something about the personality of

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the man. He is likeable. He is a modern Archbishop. I think Rowan

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Woodhouse the same sort of thing, there are occasions in the matter

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how about you are that you out, the one thing the church hate is

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complacency. Doubt is fine but people who do not care they worry

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about, so to have Justin Welby say that the facts, he does not have the

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answers, I think that is very honest. Does it make either of you

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out or are you not religious? I'm not. I am but I know what doubt is,

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I think that complacency thing is the worst kind of response, you want

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to engage and then decide which way to go. You have to wonder, given

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these atrocities in the name of a religion, it makes you doubt that. I

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would have liked to ask him if he could forgive them. A good question

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for eight all a lot interview with the Archbishop. Thank you both very

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much. We will be back again in Endatime for another look at the

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newspapers and we might have some more front pages by them. At 11pm,

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Brussels is on high alert after receiving intelligence on a possible

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attack with weapons and explosives,

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