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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers

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With me are political commentator Jo Phillips and Nigel Nelson, political

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The Observer reports security chiefs are warning Britain's counter-terror

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forces must be boosted if they are to cope with a Paris-style attack.

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The Sunday Telegraph says Britain looks set to join air strikes

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against Islamic State targets in Syria by Christmas.

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The Sunday Times says action could be taken as early as two weeks

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The Sunday Express also leads with Syria and says senior generals

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believe a full-scale offensive would wipe IS off the map in two weeks.

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And the Independent on Sunday asks, 'Where do we go from here?'

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Britain's response to the threat from terrorism.

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Beginning with the Sunday Times. What do you make of this? PM's push

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to bomb ISIS within a fortnight? As you say, it varies between before

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Christmas and a fortnight. We are just working out the maths. David

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Cameron has got to put in a report to the defence committee by

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Thursday, so that's going to be, according to this story, a 7-point

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plan. Always a bit worrying, but he will put out his plan for what we

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would do, how we would engage and whether we take airstrikes against

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Syria. In the meantime he is going off to Paris tomorrow to see

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president or mind, that a mere platoon is going as well. --

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President Hollande. Everyone is checking across Europe. It is clear

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that he could then leave a weekend to think about it and call a vote

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next week. Yes. There is the possibility. If authorisation were

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given, that could lead to pretty swift action. I think you would. You

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would hear about it. Tomorrow morning we would wake up and the

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strikes would be taking place. However, there's quite a lot of work

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to do before we get to that point. Presumably a lesson that David

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Cameron should have learned from two years ago is that this kind of fast

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paced decisions sometimes means people aren't in the same place as

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you when you ask the question. You have to make sure you know where

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everyone is. He only has a majority of 12 and there are at least 20 Tory

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MPs who are unhappy. It doesn't mean they won't vote with the Prime

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Minister, take the SNP, you will probably vote against airstrikes and

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Labour are all over the place at the moment. Labour frontbenchers are

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pushing Jeremy Corbyn into a free vote. They can decide what they will

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do. Jeremy Corbyn seems to be fairly clear from the speech today that he

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is still against airstrikes themselves. The question is whether

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he whips his MPs. We also have a complete change in public opinion,

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which has been reflected in some of the polls. That is massive. I mean,

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wobbly if you did it two weeks ago before Paris it would have been

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quite different. There's really no significant shift public opinion.

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That is what MPs will get when they go back to their constituencies.

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Some of these stories in the papers today are quite chilling. If you

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look at the Sunday Times, we talk about intelligence officials saying

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ISIS has set up an international attacks unit to conduct mass

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atrocities in Britain, there are talks about chemical attacks. We

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have a very frightened... We have been here before, haven't we? That

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is very much what has been suggested by Al Qaeda, after 9/11. It didn't

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come to anything, but it is in the minds of the security services. The

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possibility exists. Eventually medical -- Middle Eastern terrorists

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will get their hands on a dirty nuclear bomb. If they have long in a

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fall of these things will happen. There's a general agreement now that

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the only answer is to defeat and wipe it out. The Sunday Telegraph.

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You are talking earlier about the sorts of slightly grim tone to some

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of the coverage in the papers. It couldn't be more blunt. Absolutely.

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It is a very evocative photograph of an RAF tornado jets, pictured here.

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Not least because of the black skies behind it. Yes. It is chilling. I

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mean, this is echoing what the defence chiefs and former defence

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chiefs have been saying. In the Sunday Telegraph, Lord Damon says

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that it could even go so far as bringing Syrian refugees into

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forces. You need groups -- troops on the ground. To go back to getting

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David Cameron to have people on board, there will be a reluctance

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for just airstrikes. There has to be something else. The question is how

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quickly you can mobilise ground troops, because you can go in with

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airstrikes within hours, but how can immobilise them? If you are going to

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work with these different factions you have to talk to... It has to be

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one step at a time. First of all we have the RAF in action. That would

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be the first stage. Then let's see where it goes from there. We leap

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ahead of ourselves if we assume there will be a ground war, just

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because... This is presumably in the run-up to any parliamentary vote?

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Exactly. Some MPs will say their reluctance to vote yes is not

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necessarily because of the airstrikes but because of what it

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could then take from this. Effectively they would say that they

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have been authorised to do whatever. The vote will be narrower on

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airstrikes I think. It sounds like that's what this paper will be. It

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doesn't sound like the UN Resolution has shifted Jeremy Corbyn's view,

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given what he said in the speech today. It is weird. He seemed to

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save the day before that what he was looking for was some kind of UN

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Resolution. It is a bit confusing, the legality of that. But it seems

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Russia and China are onside. David Cameron didn't think Russia would be

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and now they are. We now have the makings of an international

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coalition, which we didn't have when we went into Iraq. We didn't have 24

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hours. It is suggested that there has been a shift in parliamentary

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opinion? Yes. The Express and the Sunday Mirror and the Independent

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have all got opinion polls and there has been a significant shift in

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people going into action together. But I disagree with you. I think he

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will have to reassure MPs what the plan is. That has to be in his

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7-point plan, or 5-point plan, before he can go to the comments

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with a vote. He would say he would vote with, but he wants to know what

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happens after. It would be tricky to ask them to vote on ground troops. I

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mean, from the humiliation of 2013, when he couldn't get Commons

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approval to go and bomb Assad, which was supposed to be a punishment.

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Yes. The use of chemical weapons. I do also think you need to send the

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planes in and find out where we are. We all seem to agree that we cannot

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win this war from the air. But at least he started that. You also have

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the different thing that we said last time, this is not intervention,

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this is defence. This is defending Europe and Britain. But the

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significance. On the Independent story, it is an interesting survey

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of attitudes to world leaders and whether they are trusted and whether

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people regard them favourably or unfavourably. Barack Obama has got

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quite a hefty lead. I suspect these figures are not just people in the

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US, but more globally how people view these different leaders. This

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particular one is here, in the UK. Forgive me, my eyesight isn't good

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enough! Everybody is wonderfully divided. As far as the European

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politician goes, she is far in a way that most adept of any of them and

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it would look like the public thing... We are just not quite sure.

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She gets a favourability and an favourability rating. When did they

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do this? Last week. Two weeks ago President Hollande may not have been

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so good at it. I will rush you through the Sunday express.

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Optimistic message from generals. We can beat jihadis in 14 days. It is

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united across all of the papers. These are clear messages from the

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military. Going back to the Sunday Times. One nice story at the end.

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Very dapper bottom. A story about Sir David Murray the bra. David

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Attenborough is classic. Very successful. Still at it in his 80s.

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89, in actual fact. 60 years ago he went on his first scuba-dive to the

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Australian Great Barrier Reef and he has gone back again, which I think

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is absolutely fabulous. He has gone with the cameraman and a pilot. He

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has been down there to record staff for a BBC One programme. In 1957 he

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made his first trip to the Reef, we probably don't remember that, and it

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was shot in black and white. Imagine what it was like in 1950 72 film

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underwater? Just astonishing. What isn't that great? He has done it.

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Followed a group of fish all the way down. It was a 6-foot group. Where

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would you go if you could? I wonder where you would like to go. If you

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could go anywhere? If somebody gave you a camera crew and said it could

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go anywhere? The great big about this particular one is he is going

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somewhere that nobody, no human being, has gone before. That must be

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incredibly exciting. Yes, I think underwater is fascinating. I have

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done a bit of scuba-diving. I still think you can't beat the oceans.

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There is a fantastic photography exhibition about the Endeavour.

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Franklin's doomed trip. I think you can't beat that.

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Thank you, Jo Phillips and Nigel Nelson.

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Thank you for putting the oceans in our minds.

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Coming up next, it's The Film Review.

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