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Our level has been really, really high. Good luck for them. | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers. | :00:00. | :00:16. | |
With me are the Independent columnist Yasmin Alibhai-Brown | :00:17. | :00:18. | |
and the political commentator Vincent Moss. | :00:19. | :00:21. | |
The Observer welcomes the historic climate change deal in Paris, | :00:22. | :00:26. | |
quoting the words of the French president Francois Hollande | :00:27. | :00:28. | |
who described it as a major leap for mankind. | :00:29. | :00:32. | |
The Independent shows a line of dancing polar bears | :00:33. | :00:34. | |
The paper also claims David Cameron is to make a dramatic climbdown | :00:35. | :00:39. | |
That story also makes the front page of the Telegraph, | :00:40. | :00:44. | |
pointing out the U-turn will be on the Prime Minister's central | :00:45. | :00:47. | |
The Mail carries an exclusive interview with Shaker Aamer, | :00:48. | :00:53. | |
the British man held at Guantanamo Bay for fourteen years. | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
The Express goes it alone saying more than 400 miles of roadworks | :00:58. | :01:00. | |
will be cleared, just in time for the great Christmas getaway. | :01:01. | :01:05. | |
The Sunday Times claims that the man who shouted "You ain't no Muslim, | :01:06. | :01:08. | |
bruv" during an attack at an East London tube station now | :01:09. | :01:11. | |
fears retribution from the group calling itself Islamic State. | :01:12. | :01:19. | |
So, let's begin. There is no doubt that a major leap for mankind, world | :01:20. | :01:28. | |
leaders hail the Paris deal on the climate, it is a big story. Warts | :01:29. | :01:33. | |
and all, nobody thinks it is perfect, but it is a deal? As you | :01:34. | :01:38. | |
would expect the Observer, it is covering it in great detail and | :01:39. | :01:42. | |
trying to suggest that it could be the end of the fossil fuel era and | :01:43. | :01:46. | |
there will be pressure on businesses and firms, taxing people who use | :01:47. | :01:52. | |
fossil fuels, fossil fuel companies. The big question is weather this | :01:53. | :01:57. | |
will happen. There is scepticism, some of which is reflected in the | :01:58. | :02:02. | |
observer. I really, really hope that 50% of what is promised happens. | :02:03. | :02:11. | |
Remember, the green agenda has fallen off the Chancellor's wish | :02:12. | :02:17. | |
list. He has kind of completely cut away from what was being taken | :02:18. | :02:20. | |
seriously before, because the economy was everything, whatever it | :02:21. | :02:25. | |
took to push the economy up to the highest speed. The other thing is | :02:26. | :02:30. | |
that I was in India last weekend, they are very angry with one aspect | :02:31. | :02:36. | |
of what has happened, which is that the richer countries have created | :02:37. | :02:41. | |
the mess and most of the worst disasters happening in the poorest | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
countries, although we are facing them, and they are not getting any | :02:46. | :02:49. | |
concession on that, according to the deal. There are lots of very | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
interesting bits. It may signal the end of the fossil fuel era, when I | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
am talking to climate change scientists they say that this is the | :02:59. | :03:02. | |
end of coal, it might not be in the next ten or 20 years but it is | :03:03. | :03:05. | |
particularly coal, it has huge knock-on effect for Indonesia, where | :03:06. | :03:09. | |
they do lots of coal mining, markets like that, and some people say it | :03:10. | :03:15. | |
would help if governments did not subsidise fossil fuels. Not only | :03:16. | :03:19. | |
should the prices go up because of taxation, as has been suggested, but | :03:20. | :03:24. | |
subsidies still exist. If anything, you would think governments would be | :03:25. | :03:28. | |
looking towards renewables, but our government seems to be moving away | :03:29. | :03:31. | |
from that. When you are looking at people like Oracle barman David | :03:32. | :03:35. | |
Cameron welcoming this agreement, the British Government, at a time | :03:36. | :03:39. | |
where there have been floods in the north of England which many people | :03:40. | :03:43. | |
believe man-made, caused by climate change, there is a rolling back from | :03:44. | :03:48. | |
the things we should be embracing. Some people are sceptical about the | :03:49. | :03:50. | |
governments patting themselves on the back, how long, you are moving | :03:51. | :03:54. | |
away from the things that would mitigate the impact of climate | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
change. Can I throw in a sceptical note, do you think leaders care that | :04:00. | :04:02. | |
much? Some people kept very deeply about green issues, any people are | :04:03. | :04:06. | |
more interested in putting food on the table, getting a job, can my | :04:07. | :04:11. | |
kids go to a good school? But I think everybody is becoming aware of | :04:12. | :04:15. | |
the changing climate. These floods in the last five years in this | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
country, nobody can say it is just a course of nature that happens from | :04:20. | :04:22. | |
time to time. People are becoming more aware, there is something going | :04:23. | :04:28. | |
on. The climate denying lobby is very strong in this country, in | :04:29. | :04:34. | |
America, particularly. I don't think this will go without a fight. I | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
think more and more merry people are beginning to think... When you get a | :04:39. | :04:44. | |
once in 100 year flood, then another within a couple of years. At is | :04:45. | :04:48. | |
making people wake up, people are looking at what is happening | :04:49. | :04:51. | |
literally in their back gardens, this has not happened before, | :04:52. | :04:56. | |
something is going on. When it was Bangladesh it didn't matter, now it | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
is Carlisle. Charming polar bears in the Independent on Sunday, but | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
Cameron's Big E you climb-down is what it says, it has dropped the red | :05:05. | :05:09. | |
line demand to strip EU workers of tax credits so long as there is | :05:10. | :05:12. | |
something better to cut migration. Downing Street say they are battling | :05:13. | :05:18. | |
away. Everybody knew this was bluff and bombast on the part of the Prime | :05:19. | :05:22. | |
Minister, because he needs to be seen to be saying something to those | :05:23. | :05:28. | |
wanting to exit the EU and so on. To change some of the conditions which | :05:29. | :05:33. | |
he seemed to think was easy, everyone knew it would not be | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
possible. But I find it very difficult, I hated the way the media | :05:39. | :05:44. | |
uses this climb-down and U-turn. Intelligent politics should allow | :05:45. | :05:49. | |
politicians to change their minds. And not be cast as cowards all week. | :05:50. | :05:55. | |
This makes for very bad policy, I think, when everybody is scared of | :05:56. | :06:00. | |
what the headline will be next. Climb-down, if he is changing his | :06:01. | :06:04. | |
mind a bit or knows it will not be possible, let's do it intelligently, | :06:05. | :06:08. | |
don't make it into this stupid headline. I say this about my own | :06:09. | :06:13. | |
paper! David Cameron always knew this would not be achievable, but | :06:14. | :06:17. | |
this is the centrepiece of his demand, this four year ban on in | :06:18. | :06:20. | |
work benefits would never happen, he knew that, he conceded earlier in | :06:21. | :06:25. | |
the week in talks with the Polish leaders that it would never happen. | :06:26. | :06:30. | |
Sources very close to the Prime Minister have spoken to almost all | :06:31. | :06:34. | |
the Sunday newspapers and said it would not happen. It is still on the | :06:35. | :06:38. | |
table but it will not happen, yet this was the absolute centrepiece of | :06:39. | :06:41. | |
his reforms, the package of things he would get before the referendum, | :06:42. | :06:46. | |
it will clearly not happen. Rather conveniently on a busy Newsweek when | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
you have climate change talks in the resolution, number ten has snuck out | :06:51. | :06:54. | |
this briefing to say it will not happen. What about all these British | :06:55. | :07:00. | |
people living in Europe, if there was a tit-for-tat, we have huge | :07:01. | :07:03. | |
numbers of people working, living and retired in Europe. This was an | :07:04. | :07:08. | |
ill thought through policy, really. Moving on to the Sunday Telegraph, | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
hammering's climb-down on EU benefits, the same sort of headline, | :07:14. | :07:19. | |
but underneath 100,000 new members to oust Corbyn. Jeremy Corbyn's | :07:20. | :07:25. | |
critics plan to float a Labour with 100,000 new moderate members at a | :07:26. | :07:27. | |
privately admitting they will have to wait until 2017 to oust him as | :07:28. | :07:32. | |
leader. How do you flood the Labour Party with 100,000 members. People | :07:33. | :07:39. | |
either join or they do not. If you do, you are doing something quite | :07:40. | :07:42. | |
dishonest in terms of democratic principles. You can attract new | :07:43. | :07:47. | |
members. How will they test? If I want to become a member, will they | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
say, do you like Jeremy Corbyn or not, will there be a lie detection | :07:52. | :07:57. | |
test? Stupid, isn't it? I think it is a struggle. The sort of members | :07:58. | :08:02. | |
that people who do not like Jeremy Corbyn in the Labour Party are | :08:03. | :08:06. | |
talking about are moderates, as they would describe themselves, they only | :08:07. | :08:09. | |
seem to be heading for the Exeter under Jeremy Corbyn. The only person | :08:10. | :08:12. | |
attracting new people to the party is Jeremy Robert. The nub of the | :08:13. | :08:17. | |
story is saying about people who do not like him in the Parliamentary | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
Labour Party have given up on the idea that they will be able to get | :08:22. | :08:25. | |
rid of Corbyn after the May elections next year, it is too early | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
because his mandate is too big. They will try to add 100,000 new members, | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
good luck with that, that is an awful lot. How will they determine | :08:34. | :08:38. | |
what a moderate is? I think the Independent on Sunday, Jeremy Corbyn | :08:39. | :08:43. | |
is getting more popular, it says, with the Labour Party voters than | :08:44. | :08:49. | |
less so. It is a mighty mess. There are all sorts of parts to this mess. | :08:50. | :08:53. | |
The Oldham West by-election, many people within Labour said, we might | :08:54. | :08:59. | |
not do very well, we might lose. They were wishing that. Some perhaps | :09:00. | :09:03. | |
worth. They didn't, the boat share went up. That was the first | :09:04. | :09:09. | |
electoral test of Jeremy Corbyn, which he passed. The next one will | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
be the May elections, then the London mayoral elections. If Labour | :09:15. | :09:17. | |
does badly there will be fresh calls to have a change at the top. What | :09:18. | :09:21. | |
the Telegraph is probably accurately reflecting is given the size of his | :09:22. | :09:27. | |
mandate, May 2016 is probably too early to move within the grassroots | :09:28. | :09:32. | |
elements of the Labour Party, and it will take longer than that. The | :09:33. | :09:35. | |
Telegraph have spoken to moderates and said the only way we can do | :09:36. | :09:39. | |
this, Jeremy Corbyn wants to change the party in his own image and make | :09:40. | :09:43. | |
it more left-wing, we will fight that by getting more moderates in. | :09:44. | :09:47. | |
100,000 new members, theoretically, is a good strategy, but it is an | :09:48. | :09:52. | |
awful lot of people to attract. Do you ever wonder, if any of the other | :09:53. | :09:55. | |
people were elected leader, they would still be in real trouble? | :09:56. | :10:00. | |
Having gone through a fairly catastrophic election defeat, with | :10:01. | :10:03. | |
the economy picking up, we have heard news this week saying that | :10:04. | :10:10. | |
despite the problems of austerity, anybody leading the Labour Party | :10:11. | :10:14. | |
would be in trouble at the moment? It has gone so to the right over the | :10:15. | :10:18. | |
past two years that sometimes an ordinary voter, which is what I am | :10:19. | :10:23. | |
on election day, would I vote for Tory-lite or Tory Tory? That was the | :10:24. | :10:30. | |
choice. I think it is really good. I am not a groupie of Jeremy Corbyn | :10:31. | :10:34. | |
but I think it is really good that the poor, the people most suffering | :10:35. | :10:37. | |
under austerity have somebody speaking for them. We have to have a | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
spectrum of opinion, we didn't have any. To use and think that when | :10:42. | :10:49. | |
papers make it quite clear they generally don't like Jeremy Corbyn, | :10:50. | :10:54. | |
that helps him? Lots of people go, oh, those newspapers, what have they | :10:55. | :10:58. | |
got it in for him, he must be doing something right, because we don't | :10:59. | :11:00. | |
like newspapers very much? Definitely. Even if you like the | :11:01. | :11:07. | |
left of centre papers, some of their columnists do not support the Labour | :11:08. | :11:11. | |
leader. In social media many people say, the papers would say that, of | :11:12. | :11:17. | |
course they hate him, it confirms their support and reaffirms | :11:18. | :11:20. | |
prejudices against certain parts of the media and increases support for | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
Jeremy Corbyn. They will continue to do pretty well among the young and | :11:25. | :11:28. | |
largely disenfranchised generation. We will see how things progress. If | :11:29. | :11:34. | |
he does fairly well in May, he might be that 2017 and potentially even | :11:35. | :11:37. | |
the next general election in 2020. I think this is a cracking story in | :11:38. | :11:42. | |
the Mail on Sunday, Shaker Aamer says jihadis must get the hell out | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
of Britain. I need with the last British resident Guantanamo Bay. He | :11:48. | :11:51. | |
talks about his ordeal but he has a message. It is an incredible coup | :11:52. | :11:59. | |
for the Mail on Sunday, and David Rose, who has been an investigative | :12:00. | :12:03. | |
journalist for a very long time. He developed this relationship with | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
Shaker Aamer over many years, he knows him well and you see the man, | :12:09. | :12:15. | |
not the semi-destroyed prisoner who arrived back after 14 years. I am | :12:16. | :12:18. | |
just so pleased he has said this, jihadis must get the hell... If this | :12:19. | :12:25. | |
man, who has suffered so much, can see that we Muslims, I speak as a | :12:26. | :12:30. | |
Muslim briefly for now, have a problem with these insane haters of | :12:31. | :12:35. | |
the West who are amongst the luckiest Muslims in the world, | :12:36. | :12:41. | |
because at least we live in a secure country, we have some kind of | :12:42. | :12:46. | |
democracy. Name one Muslim nation where any of us could have the basic | :12:47. | :12:51. | |
rights we have here? OK, sometimes the state is unfair to us, there is | :12:52. | :12:55. | |
racism and all of that but, honestly, it is time we spoke up. It | :12:56. | :13:00. | |
is time we spoke up just to say we are lucky to be here. And if he can | :13:01. | :13:07. | |
do it, it really helps. I can tell you how much I admire this man for | :13:08. | :13:12. | |
retaining his humanity after all this. It would be difficult not to | :13:13. | :13:18. | |
be very bitter to buy what he says he went through. That is right, but | :13:19. | :13:22. | |
he is talking about the joy of being reunited with his family. It is | :13:23. | :13:29. | |
astonishing, the Mail and David Rose had spent five days interview Heming | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
that a great interview him, nine pages. There is a lot of talk about | :13:35. | :13:38. | |
how he was trusted in Guantanamo Bay and denied the right to make a | :13:39. | :13:42. | |
dramatic bid you appeal to try to stop Jihadi John beheading a British | :13:43. | :13:48. | |
aid worker, Alan Henning. All sorts of Revelations. Normally I would be | :13:49. | :13:56. | |
against any paper having nine pages of a weekly paper with one story, | :13:57. | :14:01. | |
but there is so much, his torture, capture, the way he was treated and | :14:02. | :14:04. | |
a real insight into what goes on in the camp. It is not on the front | :14:05. | :14:09. | |
pages now, but the Donald Trump story, ban all Muslims from coming | :14:10. | :14:12. | |
to the United States, all Muslims are the same as the predicate of | :14:13. | :14:19. | |
that. Absolutely. And America has terribly important questions to | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
answer. It is a poser bastion of democracy, Guantanamo is still open | :14:24. | :14:28. | |
despite of what Obama promised. -- it is a supposed Bastian. | :14:29. | :14:32. | |
Politicians like oral Trump get this high. There is an thing quite insane | :14:33. | :14:38. | |
about that nation. I don't hate America but I sometimes worry about | :14:39. | :14:45. | |
its sanity. The Sunday Times has another aspect of this team we are | :14:46. | :14:52. | |
talking about which is the witness to what happened at a June station | :14:53. | :14:56. | |
in London a week ago, the man who said you ain't no Muslim, bruv, he | :14:57. | :15:02. | |
says he himself is not Muslim, he says, I know Muslims, I have Muslim | :15:03. | :15:06. | |
friends, I was just upset with what I saw some I had to let him know how | :15:07. | :15:11. | |
I felt. It is quite an interesting story, they did a good job tracking | :15:12. | :15:17. | |
him down. But he is worried now about some of the crazies we have | :15:18. | :15:21. | |
here coming for him and he is right to be a little bit worried, because | :15:22. | :15:25. | |
everything was photographed and filmed. Well done, him, really, for | :15:26. | :15:32. | |
saying what he said and in the way he said it, really. What did you | :15:33. | :15:36. | |
think when you first heard it? I first saw it on Twitter. I thought, | :15:37. | :15:42. | |
great, good for you. The simplicity of what he said, and I've lived the | :15:43. | :15:50. | |
bruv, that is why it went viral. He could have made a serious, sober | :15:51. | :15:55. | |
speech, and it would not have. It was capturing that youthful outrage, | :15:56. | :16:00. | |
I think it was brilliant. What did you think? Weldon to the Sunday | :16:01. | :16:05. | |
Times and Josh Boswell, the byline, for tracking down this chap who | :16:06. | :16:07. | |
seems to be a security guard from North London. As Yasmin said it is | :16:08. | :16:15. | |
worrying that he is worried about having his surname revealed, he is | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
only named as 39 you wrote John, he is worried about the way his words | :16:20. | :16:24. | |
went viral ads were such a robust to Isis that he is worried he is a | :16:25. | :16:32. | |
target. He says that he knows Muslims, they are overwhelmingly | :16:33. | :16:35. | |
good people, but he is worried for his own security cost of the nature | :16:36. | :16:40. | |
of how things are these days. Let's end with the Sunday express, protest | :16:41. | :16:46. | |
at Trump's pledge on migrants and roadworks banished, victory for the | :16:47. | :16:50. | |
traffic Crusaders as the Minister clears 400 miles of road for | :16:51. | :16:56. | |
Christmas. Don't hold your breath about not getting caught in a road | :16:57. | :16:59. | |
problem this Christmas, I would not bet on it. The Transport Secretary, | :17:00. | :17:06. | |
Patrick McLoughin, is saying he is doing his best to make sure there is | :17:07. | :17:10. | |
no disruption. Let's see what happens over Christmas, there are | :17:11. | :17:13. | |
usually problems with the railways in various forms of transport. It is | :17:14. | :17:17. | |
a great British institution to have Christmas chaos. Every road in | :17:18. | :17:24. | |
London seems to be being dug up. The road around the corner from me is | :17:25. | :17:28. | |
dug up three times a year, I don't know why! It is a relief not to read | :17:29. | :17:36. | |
about Diana or the weather... Oh, hang on, we have it. Just to end on | :17:37. | :17:42. | |
Donald Trump, he remains the Republican frontrunner. America has | :17:43. | :17:49. | |
not begun to focus yet? It takes quite a long time before we come to | :17:50. | :17:53. | |
thinking who they will vote for rather than who they like listening | :17:54. | :17:58. | |
to on television? What Trump reflects, most Brits, when they go | :17:59. | :18:01. | |
to America they can go to New York or California and meet quite | :18:02. | :18:07. | |
sensible and intelligent people, without being hugely regionalist. | :18:08. | :18:11. | |
But it is these flyover states, the South and other places where Donald | :18:12. | :18:15. | |
Trump is attractive. We might think that is bad, but he is very popular | :18:16. | :18:20. | |
in a big chunk of America. We must not be too Sanogo. The Tea Party has | :18:21. | :18:29. | |
fizzled away, but he is speaking to the American tea party lost, they | :18:30. | :18:34. | |
hate the government, they hate outsiders, more and more weaponry. | :18:35. | :18:41. | |
Maybe this is how democracy is let off steam, he says what people | :18:42. | :18:47. | |
think, but people like dig Cheney say that he does not think like | :18:48. | :18:52. | |
that. People within the Republican establishment... Dig Cheney said | :18:53. | :18:57. | |
that?! Yes, he said it was un-American to suggest adding | :18:58. | :19:01. | |
Muslims. This might be the first time you have agreed with dig | :19:02. | :19:07. | |
Cheney! I can't speak! We will leave it there. | :19:08. | :19:08. | |
Thanks to Yasmin Alibhai-Brown and Vincent Moss. | :19:09. | :19:10. | |
Just a reminder we take a look at tomorrow's front pages every | :19:11. | :19:13. | |
evening at 10:30pm and 11:30pm here on BBC News. | :19:14. | :19:31. | |
Really cold across Scotland and northern England | :19:32. | :19:32. |