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That is all the sport for now. Next on BBC News, The Papers. | :00:00. | :00:17. | |
Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers. | :00:18. | :00:20. | |
With me are Lisa Markwell the editor of the Independent of Sunday | :00:21. | :00:23. | |
and David Wooding, Political Editor at the Sun on Sunday | :00:24. | :00:29. | |
First, let's have a look at the front pages. | :00:30. | :00:32. | |
The Observer reports that leading Conservative Eurosceptics have | :00:33. | :00:34. | |
branded David Cameron's attempts to reform the Uk's relationship | :00:35. | :00:36. | |
with the EU as a farce, and warned that the new National Living Wage | :00:37. | :00:39. | |
will undermine efforts to cut immigration. | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
The Mail on Sunday leads with the resignation of the chairman | :00:44. | :00:45. | |
of the influential campaign group Conservative Way Forward - | :00:46. | :00:47. | |
a victim, it says, of the bullying row sparked by the apparent suicide | :00:48. | :00:51. | |
The Sunday Express carries the news of the death of Jimmy Hill | :00:52. | :00:54. | |
on its front page, while also detailing the number | :00:55. | :00:57. | |
of household guests the Queen is expecting for Christmas. | :00:58. | :01:00. | |
The Independent on Sunday says as many as 50,000 children in the UK | :01:01. | :01:03. | |
are being home-schooled and warns that many may be at risk | :01:04. | :01:06. | |
Women will be allowed to take part in front line combat within months, | :01:07. | :01:12. | |
according to what the Sunday Telegraph says are radical plans | :01:13. | :01:14. | |
Let's begin with the Sunday Times. Very big story. Let police shoot to | :01:15. | :01:31. | |
kill, says David Cameron. Officers to be protected from prosecution. | :01:32. | :01:37. | |
What do you do for a police officer who is expected to protect our skin | :01:38. | :01:42. | |
makes a split-second decision and gets it wrong? An extra ?34 million | :01:43. | :01:45. | |
The Home Office has given for armed officers. Because everybody wants to | :01:46. | :01:51. | |
see policing stepped up. Everybody wants to feel safe. That is really | :01:52. | :01:56. | |
going with, you know, nobody is going to push back against that. I | :01:57. | :02:01. | |
should think the Commissioner is absolutely delighted, because it is | :02:02. | :02:03. | |
running in tandem with this very difficult situation about the | :02:04. | :02:11. | |
shooting of Jermaine Baker. In Tottenham. It caused ill feeling. | :02:12. | :02:17. | |
Yes, as Cameron is trying to tread a line which makes the country feel | :02:18. | :02:20. | |
safer, sort of pacifies the police in dealing with... Having all these | :02:21. | :02:26. | |
extra demands on them, and at the same time going through this long, | :02:27. | :02:29. | |
drawn-out investigation. The one part of this everyone can get behind | :02:30. | :02:34. | |
is one of his key points about this review he has asked for, that there | :02:35. | :02:39. | |
will be no more investigations in the police actions that have passed | :02:40. | :02:42. | |
for months and months and years, because it is frustrating for | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
everybody. If it speeds up, if we have got something wrong or right, | :02:48. | :02:51. | |
have a final meeting, and move forward, that can only be a good | :02:52. | :02:55. | |
thing. That is true. That is part of the reason for the problem. There | :02:56. | :03:00. | |
was a meeting early in the week in which senior police officers said to | :03:01. | :03:04. | |
David Cameron and senior ministers that they could not get people who | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
wanted to be firearms officers, because it was no longer attracted, | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
because they feared that all would happen is that they would be blamed | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
for making the split-second decisions. Or they would be in front | :03:20. | :03:24. | |
of months and months of enquiries if they actually pulled the trigger at | :03:25. | :03:28. | |
any stage. In the present climate of terrorist alerts this is difficult | :03:29. | :03:32. | |
for them. There was also a political element to this in the David Cameron | :03:33. | :03:37. | |
will be slightly outflanking Jeremy Corbyn, who ran into some difficulty | :03:38. | :03:40. | |
in a few weeks ago when he said he was not happy with a shoot to kill | :03:41. | :03:44. | |
policy in the wake of the Paris shootings, which saw 130 people | :03:45. | :03:48. | |
dead. I think a lot of the general public frowned upon this. David | :03:49. | :03:52. | |
Cameron is basically saying, I want to throw my weight behind the police | :03:53. | :03:57. | |
to protect the public. And I am the person who puts national security | :03:58. | :04:01. | |
first. You are right. The Jermaine Baker case shows the difficulty of | :04:02. | :04:06. | |
it. Nobody wants the wrong person shot. Certainly nobody was anybody | :04:07. | :04:13. | |
to be targeted because of maybe race. Nobody wants that. Nobody | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
wants a police officer faced with a suicide bomber, or somebody with a | :04:18. | :04:21. | |
Kalashnikov, not to get it right. That is right. In the week before | :04:22. | :04:25. | |
Christmas people are out and about, as they are, in the centre of | :04:26. | :04:29. | |
London, if you go into an underground station it makes you | :04:30. | :04:32. | |
feel safer to see a police officer. It turned out not to be terrorism, | :04:33. | :04:38. | |
the chap in the underground station that was there a couple of weeks | :04:39. | :04:42. | |
ago. You want to feel a presence. The key to all of this is proper | :04:43. | :04:48. | |
training. And how much of that ?34 million will go towards people being | :04:49. | :04:50. | |
able to make the right decision in a split-second. It is how to do it | :04:51. | :04:54. | |
properly. That is always the case with the police. Are they being | :04:55. | :04:59. | |
trained correctly. Some of the judges have expressed alarm. Brian | :05:00. | :05:07. | |
Levenson, we remember from the press enquiries... | :05:08. | :05:07. | |
CHUCKLES You remember him? Seems like a long | :05:08. | :05:15. | |
time ago. Even he said there is a feeling that perhaps people are | :05:16. | :05:20. | |
having the benefit of hindsight a lot when these police officers, | :05:21. | :05:22. | |
working under extreme stress in crowded areas, try to protect the | :05:23. | :05:28. | |
public have to make these decisions. It is very difficult. Court room, TV | :05:29. | :05:31. | |
studio, thinking about it. Let's move on. Labour could split into two | :05:32. | :05:43. | |
macro parties to survive says a key adviser, Peter Hyman. He says | :05:44. | :05:48. | |
fundamentally there is a split between those that you could call | :05:49. | :05:51. | |
socialist and those you could call social Democrats. But he does not | :05:52. | :05:55. | |
label them thus. We will be watching the Labour Party for the last 99 | :05:56. | :06:00. | |
days. Tomorrow is the 100th day since Jeremy Corbyn became leader. | :06:01. | :06:05. | |
Peter Hyman, Tony Blair's former speech writer and former chief | :06:06. | :06:12. | |
strategist is saying there is a very small element of the parliamentary | :06:13. | :06:14. | |
Labour Party which is to the left and a sizeable chunk of the | :06:15. | :06:20. | |
membership who are now to the left. And the only way the Labour Party is | :06:21. | :06:25. | |
going to get power is obvious, in many ways, go for the centre ground. | :06:26. | :06:31. | |
In fact, I would say, if you look back at five of the last six Labour | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
leaders, if you discount John Smith who tragically died before he stood | :06:37. | :06:41. | |
for election, all lost general elections. Only Tony Blair won. Why? | :06:42. | :06:47. | |
Because he was occupying the centre ground. Ed Miliband couldn't do it. | :06:48. | :06:51. | |
James Callaghan, Gordon Brown, Michael foot, they certainly | :06:52. | :06:54. | |
couldn't do it. And there is a feeling Jeremy Corbyn cannot do it. | :06:55. | :06:59. | |
Do they split or we gain the party? -- Michael Foot. Peter Hyman would | :07:00. | :07:04. | |
say this. There is nothing terribly surprising in this headline, or | :07:05. | :07:07. | |
indeed in what he says. But there is a poll in the Observer saying 50% of | :07:08. | :07:14. | |
Labour supporters believe Jeremy Corbyn is a principled person. It is | :07:15. | :07:17. | |
not just Labour supporters, it is all of the voters. 50% of them | :07:18. | :07:23. | |
believe he is a principled person. You know, we come back to the same | :07:24. | :07:27. | |
thing, it is the difference between the MPs and the sort of party, you | :07:28. | :07:32. | |
know, who have been loyal to Tony Blair, and the electorate. The ?3 | :07:33. | :07:37. | |
members. All of that. How they feel about Jeremy Corbyn. They won't be | :07:38. | :07:43. | |
popping champagne, but, whatever the socialist equivalent of champagne | :07:44. | :07:46. | |
is. Because Jeremy Corbyn is in it for the long run. He was interviewed | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
on the Sunday Times and he said he is going to be there for the long | :07:51. | :07:53. | |
run. The other story we haven't touched on, the splits in the | :07:54. | :07:57. | |
Conservative Party over Europe. Liam Fox, former member, is saying this | :07:58. | :08:03. | |
basically is not going anywhere. This is bubbling away very heavily | :08:04. | :08:09. | |
under the surface. We are probably writing -- we probably would be | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
writing a lot more about it if Jeremy Corbyn wasn't the great gift | :08:14. | :08:18. | |
that keeps giving to the media. In the Independent on Sunday, David | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
Blunkett is saying there will be a takeover. Within the Labour Party. | :08:23. | :08:28. | |
It is in century. Everybody is weighing in. -- it is incendiary. | :08:29. | :08:36. | |
They say it is a Labour grassroots movement which happens to be very | :08:37. | :08:41. | |
supportive... We are having a story that Momentum will join the Labour | :08:42. | :08:48. | |
Party and influence it within. It would be a change to the actual | :08:49. | :08:52. | |
structure. This goes back to Jeremy Corbyn's idea that he will return | :08:53. | :08:56. | |
the power of policy-making to conference, which always used to | :08:57. | :08:58. | |
happen in the days before John Smith. To go back to your original | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
point, isn't this the thing that bores voters rigid? Resolution, that | :09:04. | :09:11. | |
and this, most people are thinking about, can I put food on the table, | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
will my children be able to go to university, which school are they | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
going to get into? That is one of the problems Jeremy Corbyn is having | :09:20. | :09:22. | |
to cut through. We are all hearing about the mandate of the Labour | :09:23. | :09:29. | |
membership. A lot of campaigners are protesting about it. Yes, the won, | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
but many voters are saying that he does not talk about the things we | :09:35. | :09:37. | |
are interested in, he is a London centric politician and he does not | :09:38. | :09:49. | |
appeal to us on our issues. -- P -- he won. The Department for Education | :09:50. | :09:53. | |
has no reliable figures and the worry is that some students will be | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
radicalised. What did you think was interesting about this? I have any | :09:58. | :10:04. | |
political editor. He is diligently working away on things which are not | :10:05. | :10:09. | |
the obvious. Watching him closely. CHUCKLES | :10:10. | :10:13. | |
All of the Tory bullion, Labour splits, you know, what else is going | :10:14. | :10:19. | |
on? At the end of term, if you like, quite a lot of interesting stuff is | :10:20. | :10:26. | |
around. -- bullying. This is the Department for Education at | :10:27. | :10:28. | |
admitting that they don't have any figures about how many children ask | :10:29. | :10:30. | |
scored outside traditional classrooms. They say it is anything | :10:31. | :10:37. | |
from 20 to 50,000. That is a huge number. The Department for | :10:38. | :10:42. | |
Education... Our journalism is not suggesting that all of those are | :10:43. | :10:47. | |
being radicalised somewhere in the country, nevertheless, | :10:48. | :10:50. | |
home-schooling is not vigorously monitored. It all. In fact, Ed balls | :10:51. | :10:57. | |
suggested a review saying there should be more close inspection of | :10:58. | :11:01. | |
it. -- Ed Balls. But always knocked it down before the election. Now we | :11:02. | :11:05. | |
are saying, what is going on, we must have a review. Some home | :11:06. | :11:09. | |
educated children it works brilliantly for all sorts of reasons | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
they are not in mainstream schools, which I understand. That is | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
terrific. But they should be inspected and it should be | :11:19. | :11:24. | |
registered properly. But there is a percentage of parents who are | :11:25. | :11:27. | |
teaching their children and ideology which isn't being balanced out by | :11:28. | :11:30. | |
anything else they would get in a classroom. It is the worry. -- an | :11:31. | :11:37. | |
ideology. We want to stop it before it starts, that is something many to | :11:38. | :11:43. | |
look at, so that is the story. It is a microcosm of bigger picture of all | :11:44. | :11:49. | |
of these schools where there is a fear of radicalisation. We have | :11:50. | :11:52. | |
overlooked the fact that some are being taught by their own parents. | :11:53. | :11:57. | |
Again, are these the families you hear about anecdotally where the | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
husband keeps the white indoors, she is not allowed to go out, she is not | :12:03. | :12:08. | |
allowed to mix, doesn't even know how to speak English. If that is the | :12:09. | :12:12. | |
sort of thing that is going on, we need to break into that. -- the wife | :12:13. | :12:18. | |
in borstals typically make a choice when your child is young never to | :12:19. | :12:21. | |
enter them into the school system, that is why there is no figures. -- | :12:22. | :12:31. | |
EQ make a choice when your child is young. These children are not on our | :12:32. | :12:37. | |
radar. We have to understand the figures and do something about it. | :12:38. | :12:45. | |
Firstly, people are worried about radicalisation, but on the other | :12:46. | :12:47. | |
hand parents have the right to do what they think is the best for | :12:48. | :12:50. | |
their children. We don't like the idea of government coming into our | :12:51. | :12:52. | |
homes, telling us to do anything. That is Jokic isn't it? Yes. One of | :12:53. | :13:02. | |
my colleagues educated his children through primary school years. -- | :13:03. | :13:11. | |
that is tricky, isn't it cost up some children find school very | :13:12. | :13:13. | |
stressful setting. -- isn't it? It is the understanding and | :13:14. | :13:23. | |
supporting of parents who want to do it. And at the same time sort of | :13:24. | :13:27. | |
keeping an eye on it. That is what is key to this. My colleague was | :13:28. | :13:36. | |
expected once in four years. Really? A home inspection from Ofsted. Yes, | :13:37. | :13:39. | |
you would have to tidy up the kitchen! | :13:40. | :13:43. | |
CHUCKLES If the numbers were this high it | :13:44. | :13:47. | |
would be great to have a support network to make it work properly. | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
That might be a way of stamping out the problems, as well as supporting | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
those who want to do it. I think we will hear more about this. The Mail | :13:57. | :14:01. | |
on Sunday has made quite a lot of this story, bullying scandal, | :14:02. | :14:10. | |
another top Tory resigns. This is all over the Tatler Tory. This might | :14:11. | :14:22. | |
have had more focus at the paper is not spent so much time and Jeremy | :14:23. | :14:28. | |
Corbyn. I must admit, some of us privately scoffed at this story when | :14:29. | :14:32. | |
it started. It involved the sad death of a young man. Having been | :14:33. | :14:39. | |
bullied by somebody of whom we'd never heard before. The characters | :14:40. | :14:45. | |
involved are not big names. Credit to them, they have kept banging away | :14:46. | :14:50. | |
at this story. They have had to resignations. One minister who was | :14:51. | :14:54. | |
apparently blackmailed, who resigned over an affair. Grant Schatz | :14:55. | :15:00. | |
standing down as a minister because he allegedly received e-mails from | :15:01. | :15:03. | |
this man, Mark Clark, the man at the centre of the bullying allegations. | :15:04. | :15:08. | |
Now we have another unnamed, unknown man. Named but not known. Exactly. | :15:09. | :15:15. | |
He was in this group set up by Margaret Thatcher. Big admirer of | :15:16. | :15:22. | |
Margaret Thatcher. He spent ?200,000 on items from her wardrobe. Her | :15:23. | :15:28. | |
clothes sale the other day. Yeah, and he is now involved in various | :15:29. | :15:33. | |
different ways. What is interesting about him is that he is allegedly | :15:34. | :15:39. | |
best friends with Greg hands, who is George Osborne's fixer. Then you | :15:40. | :15:44. | |
have Feldman as a close personal friend of David Cameron. That is | :15:45. | :15:48. | |
when it gets more interesting. You start to see the links. You see the | :15:49. | :15:54. | |
6 degrees of separation which becomes four degrees and then two | :15:55. | :16:02. | |
degrees. It is the scalp everybody wants, this person is central to | :16:03. | :16:07. | |
what is going on in the Tory party. Not many who nobody knows about. As | :16:08. | :16:12. | |
it turns out moving towards America anyway. -- not Blaney. The | :16:13. | :16:25. | |
Conservative Party celebrates this by lying handbags, yet the Labour | :16:26. | :16:32. | |
Party dislikes their former leaders. Margaret Thatcher and Tony Blair won | :16:33. | :16:38. | |
three elections. Margaret Thatcher is put upon a pedestal by her party. | :16:39. | :16:44. | |
She did some bad things. She destroyed mining communities, some | :16:45. | :16:47. | |
would say, but she did some good things. Tony Blair did some good | :16:48. | :16:52. | |
things. Sure start centres can education reforms, quite a lot of | :16:53. | :16:55. | |
good stuff. The minimum wage. But also, the only thing the Labour | :16:56. | :16:59. | |
people think of him for is Iraq and they revile him. It is one of the | :17:00. | :17:06. | |
biggest mistakes Ed Miliband made when he attacked his own party's | :17:07. | :17:10. | |
record when he should have been talking about the good things. In my | :17:11. | :17:14. | |
personal view. That the Telegraph has drivers face tougher fines to | :17:15. | :17:21. | |
stop mobile phone use. Do you see people on their mobile phones when | :17:22. | :17:25. | |
driving? I saw somebody the other day with a mobile phone and a | :17:26. | :17:29. | |
cigarette while driving. A juggling act. Yet deeply illegal and | :17:30. | :17:34. | |
dangerous. Highly dangerous. I am astonished. The amount has gone from | :17:35. | :17:41. | |
?100 up to ?150. It is kicking us. It should be ?1000. It is putting so | :17:42. | :17:49. | |
many lives at risk. -- it is ridiculous. It is irresponsible. You | :17:50. | :17:53. | |
see it all the time. By putting up the amount by such a small amount is | :17:54. | :17:59. | |
stupid. You will get an extra point. For lorry drivers it is potentially | :18:00. | :18:04. | |
going to double the amount of points they get, from three to six. And | :18:05. | :18:09. | |
they are probably the highest offenders. If you get to that level, | :18:10. | :18:12. | |
if it jeopardises your income because you are not allowed to | :18:13. | :18:16. | |
drive, then maybe you are talking about something. I don't think this | :18:17. | :18:21. | |
penalises enough. There have been many prosecutions for people using | :18:22. | :18:26. | |
their mobile phones. While at the wheel. Lorry drivers, apart from | :18:27. | :18:28. | |
anything else come on a practical note in the newsroom last night, it | :18:29. | :18:34. | |
is quite difficult to see lorry drivers using them. It has got to | :18:35. | :18:38. | |
become unacceptable like drink-driving, not wearing a seat | :18:39. | :18:44. | |
belt. Things have changed. Probably in the reckless state it is -- | :18:45. | :18:51. | |
probably in the reckless stakes it is close to drink-driving. If you | :18:52. | :18:54. | |
see somebody driving badly, invariably you will see them using | :18:55. | :18:59. | |
their phone. People texting behind the wheel. I was driving the other | :19:00. | :19:02. | |
day through London, there was a car in front of me, it was moving around | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
badly, and then it mounted the pavement and then came back on the | :19:08. | :19:10. | |
road again. When I overtook it to get past it I noticed the driver was | :19:11. | :19:16. | |
still on the phone texting. Staggering. There is a good radio | :19:17. | :19:20. | |
campaign at the moment talking about it takes one second, it was one | :19:21. | :19:25. | |
text, it was one reply, it was one glance. Radio is effective because | :19:26. | :19:30. | |
it makes you stop and think. We all think we are special and different. | :19:31. | :19:33. | |
I'm just going to glance very quickly to make sure somebody has | :19:34. | :19:36. | |
picked up my daughter from school, what ever it might be, that is all | :19:37. | :19:43. | |
it takes. It must be hammered home. We have a couple of minutes left. | :19:44. | :19:46. | |
Jimmy Hill, the passing of Jimmy Hill. I don't know about either of | :19:47. | :19:52. | |
you but he was a great figure for me to watch over the years. He crossed | :19:53. | :19:57. | |
generations and all aspects of the sport. He was a player, he was a | :19:58. | :20:01. | |
manager, he was a linesman at one game. He turned up when a linesman | :20:02. | :20:09. | |
took ill in Liverpool Arsenal match. You remember that one! He broke the | :20:10. | :20:16. | |
maximum wage. He was paid ?20 himself, led the first ?100 per week | :20:17. | :20:20. | |
player which was Jonny Hayes at Fulham. Boss of Coventry City. He | :20:21. | :20:26. | |
brought in the first all-seater stadium and the first electric | :20:27. | :20:30. | |
scoreboard. What else? Match of the Day man. Were you a fan? Yeah! The | :20:31. | :20:46. | |
headline in the sun newspaper, rest chin peace. One of the most famous | :20:47. | :20:56. | |
beards in television. When the news broke of winter our online operation | :20:57. | :21:01. | |
and said, just so you know, Jimmy Hill has died, we are getting an | :21:02. | :21:06. | |
appreciation together. The website is operated by much younger people | :21:07. | :21:09. | |
and they all knew exactly who it was. They were all interested. It | :21:10. | :21:14. | |
goes across all generations. He wasn't without his, shall we say, | :21:15. | :21:22. | |
unreconstructed views from time to time, but... | :21:23. | :21:24. | |
CHUCKLES He was of his generation. Yes. But | :21:25. | :21:30. | |
what he did for the players, that was a benchmark moment. What ever | :21:31. | :21:34. | |
you think about how much they get paid now, the fact that football | :21:35. | :21:38. | |
players at the time by not valued, it was important the did something. | :21:39. | :21:39. | |
Thank you very much. Just a reminder we take a look | :21:40. | :21:41. | |
at tomorrow's front pages every evening at 1030 and 1130 | :21:42. | :21:45. | |
here on BBC News. We have had near record-breaking | :21:46. | :22:04. | |
temperatures across the UK over | :22:05. | :22:06. |