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along with Woody Harrelson and a cast of bank robbers in 999. | :00:00. | :00:14. | |
Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers | :00:15. | :00:17. | |
With me are the author and journalist, | :00:18. | :00:20. | |
Rachel Shabi and Tim Stanley, columnist for the Telegraph. | :00:21. | :00:25. | |
The European referendum dominates the Sunday papers. | :00:26. | :00:26. | |
The Observer leads with a quote from David Cameron: | :00:27. | :00:33. | |
He says he believes Britain will be safer and stronger in the EU. | :00:34. | :00:42. | |
The Independent on Sunday says Mr Cameron is playing | :00:43. | :00:44. | |
on voters' fears by putting safety at the centre of the battle. | :00:45. | :00:47. | |
The Sunday Express says the EU is stuck in the past, | :00:48. | :00:50. | |
and that Michael Gove's withering attack on Brussels has got the Out | :00:51. | :00:53. | |
The Mail on Sunday says Michael Gove and Boris Johnson are engaged | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
in a secret plot, reporting on a meeting between the | :00:58. | :01:01. | |
pair before Mr Gove announced his intention to vote to leave the EU. | :01:02. | :01:09. | |
The Sunday Times says the Prime Minister has declared war on the | :01:10. | :01:12. | |
ministers who want to leave the EU, accusing them of making misleading | :01:13. | :01:15. | |
claims that Britain's borders can be sealed by exiting the bloc. | :01:16. | :01:20. | |
The Sunday Telegraph also reports on what it calls "a cabinet divided". | :01:21. | :01:32. | |
Let's begin with how safety frames the EU vote battle. What you of | :01:33. | :01:49. | |
this? Well, this is basically presenting the two sides, Michael | :01:50. | :01:53. | |
Gove who is now freshly liberated to say what he thinks, has said exactly | :01:54. | :01:59. | |
what he thinks. The justice secretary and best buds with David | :02:00. | :02:09. | |
Cameron, perhaps not any more. Politically and personally painful | :02:10. | :02:11. | |
for David Cameron. It is interesting the way he frames this, with the EU | :02:12. | :02:29. | |
being a security crisis. It is very understanding and sympathetic that | :02:30. | :02:33. | |
he has framed the migrant crisis in the way of razor wires and something | :02:34. | :02:38. | |
we should be scared off, but it is fundamentally what the EU campaign | :02:39. | :02:44. | |
is about which is massive fear of migration, as opposed to all these | :02:45. | :02:50. | |
things they are claiming. You have managed to read into this that it is | :02:51. | :02:53. | |
believe people who are running on fear, when it is the remaining | :02:54. | :02:57. | |
people of David Cameron who are saying that leaving is a threat to | :02:58. | :03:03. | |
economic and national security. I am not in either of those camps as you | :03:04. | :03:07. | |
know, I do not take my cue from Cameron, but what I am saying to you | :03:08. | :03:11. | |
is that the Conservative Party have framed this referendum debate very | :03:12. | :03:18. | |
much in terms of a migration crisis. We can agree on that. I say this is | :03:19. | :03:27. | |
a Eurosceptic, but I think this will probably be framed largely around | :03:28. | :03:30. | |
the issue of immigration. Her country has a right to control its | :03:31. | :03:34. | |
borders, that deal has not given us that right, but just a four-year | :03:35. | :03:40. | |
break of people being able to gain access to in work benefits. Having | :03:41. | :03:44. | |
said all of that, I would rather we debated free-trade or sovereignty, | :03:45. | :03:50. | |
and our role in the world. What is it you are scared of? Is it that 500 | :03:51. | :03:55. | |
million Europeans will swamp written because we can't control our own | :03:56. | :04:00. | |
borders? What is this session? For me it is not a question of fear, it | :04:01. | :04:05. | |
comes down to the question of pressure. You think that is an | :04:06. | :04:12. | |
issue? Because? For pragmatic reasons. There is pressure being | :04:13. | :04:22. | |
placed on social security and jobs. You can only tax-and-spend for so | :04:23. | :04:29. | |
long before you wreck your economy. But they bring in more than a tack. | :04:30. | :04:38. | |
They are net gain. At what point is it become that our services, housing | :04:39. | :04:42. | |
and schools, cannot take this number of people? Again, I do not want to | :04:43. | :04:50. | |
talk about migration to much. It is philosophical as well as practical. | :04:51. | :04:54. | |
A country is not an independent nation unless it controls its | :04:55. | :04:57. | |
borders. Is that in the end what swung it for Michael Gove? | :04:58. | :05:01. | |
Definitely, the intellectual question. For him, as he said in his | :05:02. | :05:09. | |
piece that most of the papers are carrying, it comes down to Britain | :05:10. | :05:13. | |
not controlling enough of the stuff, which a democratic country with a | :05:14. | :05:16. | |
sovereign parliament should be controlling. Should Britain be | :05:17. | :05:19. | |
surprised by that? I was talking to Margaret Beckett, who back 40 years | :05:20. | :05:26. | |
ago when she was Margaret Jackson, I think, she was a junior minister in | :05:27. | :05:32. | |
the Wilson government and she campaigned to get out of the EU, | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
which we had only been in for two years. I said, what about people who | :05:37. | :05:41. | |
say we have lost all our sovereignty, and having lost control | :05:42. | :05:46. | |
over things. She said, we had that argument in 1985. People say it was | :05:47. | :05:51. | |
all done surreptitious li, but I can remember talking endlessly about | :05:52. | :05:54. | |
sovereignty, and saying that we have to preserve it. People knew the deal | :05:55. | :05:59. | |
and they bought it and voted to stay in. I have accepted now that that is | :06:00. | :06:05. | |
how it is. I think the way you explain how the left have changed | :06:06. | :06:09. | |
their views on Europe is because the left, and I don't mean this is a | :06:10. | :06:13. | |
criticism, they tend to be instrumentalist. They don't really | :06:14. | :06:23. | |
mind what the process is for making social change, as long as they get. | :06:24. | :06:30. | |
In the 1980s, the left calculated that if we infiltrate Europe we can | :06:31. | :06:33. | |
turn it into a more social democratic thing, a social market | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
thing. So now they think, we can't get socialism through the ballot box | :06:39. | :06:41. | |
in this country, so instead we will use the EU to impose it on Britain | :06:42. | :06:47. | |
instead. I love all those logical leaps you have made in that | :06:48. | :06:52. | |
sentence. No wonder Michael Gove is keen to get us out and it is implied | :06:53. | :06:58. | |
by the Mail on Sunday that perhaps Horace Johnson is as well. What do | :06:59. | :07:05. | |
you make of this front-page -- Boris Johnson. This has added the tension | :07:06. | :07:14. | |
and drama that was absent in this very dry debate. Yes, Boris and | :07:15. | :07:20. | |
Michael Gove have had this epic dinner where they have been | :07:21. | :07:25. | |
discussing what to do. So epic they had to send out for fresh shirts. I | :07:26. | :07:42. | |
don't know how that is an indication of a thickness, that you have to | :07:43. | :07:52. | |
change your shirt, but I think Boris might be trying to figure out what | :07:53. | :07:56. | |
is politically advantageous for him. I don't know that it is coming | :07:57. | :08:05. | |
from... How close do you think he is to telling us what he is going to | :08:06. | :08:10. | |
do? Robert Peston, the scruffiest man in journalism, has said on | :08:11. | :08:13. | |
Twitter that he believes Boris is very close to backing the leave | :08:14. | :08:19. | |
campaign. I hope he does do that, because if you think about it, the | :08:20. | :08:24. | |
problem the leave campaign will have is that it is dominated by | :08:25. | :08:31. | |
also-rans. In terms of personality right now, it is Nigel Farage, those | :08:32. | :08:40. | |
are the people who will get attention, and I don't mean | :08:41. | :08:43. | |
intellectually but in terms of public awareness and perception. It | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
will be seen as the fringes. Boris Johnson gives it the backing of a | :08:49. | :08:54. | |
former Merit London he gives it legitimacy. Is the issue that it | :08:55. | :09:03. | |
will potentially be seen through the soap opera of Conservative politics? | :09:04. | :09:08. | |
We have a photograph of the six ministers who have said they will | :09:09. | :09:14. | |
defy David Cameron and vote to leave. Is it a problem for this | :09:15. | :09:22. | |
campaign that that is the prison in which it is being presented? | :09:23. | :09:30. | |
Definitely a problem. I don't blame the front pages in the papers to | :09:31. | :09:32. | |
doing this, because obviously that is where the drama and tension is. | :09:33. | :09:36. | |
You can understand why they would hone in on that. But it is a | :09:37. | :09:42. | |
problem, because it is not about the Conservatives, but it has become a | :09:43. | :09:51. | |
very Conservative debate. We are not actually hearing a progressive | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
argument for staying, or even one for leaving. All of that is | :09:56. | :10:00. | |
completely absent. We are at a 10% right-wing spectrum of the debate, | :10:01. | :10:03. | |
and that is very frustrating. And also very boring. I believe that is | :10:04. | :10:11. | |
a fair criticism, and from it is about sovereignty and trade with | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
Africa, about trade barriers that Europe throws up against developing | :10:16. | :10:17. | |
nations, making it difficult for them to grow. Some people are on the | :10:18. | :10:25. | |
right of the Labour Party but have also joined the campaign. The big | :10:26. | :10:31. | |
difference between now and 75 is it will be on one side largely | :10:32. | :10:34. | |
right-wing personalities for leave, and on the other side it will be | :10:35. | :10:41. | |
dominated by labour. Until we get a senior Labour figure it will look | :10:42. | :10:47. | |
like that. Let's talk about the most senior figure, the PM. The Observer | :10:48. | :10:52. | |
has a very impassioned photograph of David Cameron. Not someone it is | :10:53. | :10:58. | |
often very sympathetic towards. But they have taken the line that | :10:59. | :11:02. | |
Downing Street say. A very prime ministerial photograph of David | :11:03. | :11:08. | |
Cameron, very determined and in mid- flow, not looking exhausted as he | :11:09. | :11:11. | |
did on some of the papers. He has said the choices in your hand, cans. | :11:12. | :11:21. | |
How do you think he is coming out of this? The perception was that he was | :11:22. | :11:25. | |
reluctantly pushed into this. He said he did not want a referendum | :11:26. | :11:28. | |
for a long time but then he ended up having to negotiate this. He didn't | :11:29. | :11:33. | |
get what he initially wanted, he has to sell this package, he knows his | :11:34. | :11:37. | |
leadership may be on the line. Do you feel sympathy for him? I think | :11:38. | :11:43. | |
he is handling it very well. I think this will be the legacy that he | :11:44. | :11:49. | |
will... He wants to be able to say when it comes to write his | :11:50. | :11:55. | |
autobiography, I settled Scotland, and I settled Europe. David Cameron | :11:56. | :12:00. | |
is a Europhile. He has been uncomfortable in the last few years | :12:01. | :12:04. | |
because he has been forced by his backbenchers to pretend to be a | :12:05. | :12:08. | |
Eurosceptic. But what he always wanted to do was to make this case | :12:09. | :12:11. | |
for Europe, pretending he had reformed it and Britain's | :12:12. | :12:16. | |
relationship with it, and win and put it aside. To be the great | :12:17. | :12:20. | |
unifying PM he was wanted to be. From this point on in this campaign | :12:21. | :12:25. | |
we will now see him into comfort zone. We haven't got a huge amount | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
of time left let's move on to the Sunday express. -- Express. Another | :12:30. | :12:41. | |
photo story here on the front page, a very different time to what we | :12:42. | :12:51. | |
have been talking about. Paul Daniels. Yes, he has an incurable | :12:52. | :12:56. | |
brain tumour, so obviously devastating for him and everyone who | :12:57. | :13:03. | |
has enjoyed him over the years. Very brave to come out and go public with | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
this. I think it must be a very difficult decision for anyone, but | :13:09. | :13:15. | |
in particular when you are in the public eye and there is so much more | :13:16. | :13:18. | |
significance and impact. Quite a bold decision. I remember seeing an | :13:19. | :13:26. | |
interview with Timothy west talking about his wife with Alzheimer's. He | :13:27. | :13:30. | |
was asked why he decided to talk about it, and he said it would | :13:31. | :13:34. | |
almost seem fraudulent not to talk about it. He said people will feel | :13:35. | :13:38. | |
hurt if we don't talk to them about it, so I imagine that might be why | :13:39. | :13:43. | |
they have made this decision. I suspect we will hear more from them | :13:44. | :13:51. | |
because he was a love -- loved figure. I'm sure we will see you | :13:52. | :13:56. | |
more through the course of this campaign. That is it from me this | :13:57. | :14:00. | |
evening. Up next, The Film Review. | :14:01. | :14:02. |