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along with Woody Harrelson and a cast of bank robbers in 999.

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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers

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With me are the author and journalist,

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Rachel Shabi and Tim Stanley, columnist for the Telegraph.

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The European referendum dominates the Sunday papers.

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The Observer leads with a quote from David Cameron:

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He says he believes Britain will be safer and stronger in the EU.

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The Independent on Sunday says Mr Cameron is playing

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on voters' fears by putting safety at the centre of the battle.

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The Sunday Express says the EU is stuck in the past,

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and that Michael Gove's withering attack on Brussels has got the Out

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The Mail on Sunday says Michael Gove and Boris Johnson are engaged

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in a secret plot, reporting on a meeting between the

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pair before Mr Gove announced his intention to vote to leave the EU.

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The Sunday Times says the Prime Minister has declared war on the

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ministers who want to leave the EU, accusing them of making misleading

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claims that Britain's borders can be sealed by exiting the bloc.

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The Sunday Telegraph also reports on what it calls "a cabinet divided".

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Let's begin with how safety frames the EU vote battle. What you of

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this? Well, this is basically presenting the two sides, Michael

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Gove who is now freshly liberated to say what he thinks, has said exactly

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what he thinks. The justice secretary and best buds with David

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Cameron, perhaps not any more. Politically and personally painful

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for David Cameron. It is interesting the way he frames this, with the EU

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being a security crisis. It is very understanding and sympathetic that

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he has framed the migrant crisis in the way of razor wires and something

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we should be scared off, but it is fundamentally what the EU campaign

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is about which is massive fear of migration, as opposed to all these

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things they are claiming. You have managed to read into this that it is

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believe people who are running on fear, when it is the remaining

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people of David Cameron who are saying that leaving is a threat to

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economic and national security. I am not in either of those camps as you

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know, I do not take my cue from Cameron, but what I am saying to you

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is that the Conservative Party have framed this referendum debate very

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much in terms of a migration crisis. We can agree on that. I say this is

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a Eurosceptic, but I think this will probably be framed largely around

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the issue of immigration. Her country has a right to control its

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borders, that deal has not given us that right, but just a four-year

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break of people being able to gain access to in work benefits. Having

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said all of that, I would rather we debated free-trade or sovereignty,

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and our role in the world. What is it you are scared of? Is it that 500

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million Europeans will swamp written because we can't control our own

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borders? What is this session? For me it is not a question of fear, it

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comes down to the question of pressure. You think that is an

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issue? Because? For pragmatic reasons. There is pressure being

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placed on social security and jobs. You can only tax-and-spend for so

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long before you wreck your economy. But they bring in more than a tack.

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They are net gain. At what point is it become that our services, housing

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and schools, cannot take this number of people? Again, I do not want to

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talk about migration to much. It is philosophical as well as practical.

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A country is not an independent nation unless it controls its

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borders. Is that in the end what swung it for Michael Gove?

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Definitely, the intellectual question. For him, as he said in his

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piece that most of the papers are carrying, it comes down to Britain

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not controlling enough of the stuff, which a democratic country with a

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sovereign parliament should be controlling. Should Britain be

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surprised by that? I was talking to Margaret Beckett, who back 40 years

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ago when she was Margaret Jackson, I think, she was a junior minister in

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the Wilson government and she campaigned to get out of the EU,

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which we had only been in for two years. I said, what about people who

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say we have lost all our sovereignty, and having lost control

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over things. She said, we had that argument in 1985. People say it was

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all done surreptitious li, but I can remember talking endlessly about

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sovereignty, and saying that we have to preserve it. People knew the deal

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and they bought it and voted to stay in. I have accepted now that that is

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how it is. I think the way you explain how the left have changed

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their views on Europe is because the left, and I don't mean this is a

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criticism, they tend to be instrumentalist. They don't really

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mind what the process is for making social change, as long as they get.

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In the 1980s, the left calculated that if we infiltrate Europe we can

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turn it into a more social democratic thing, a social market

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thing. So now they think, we can't get socialism through the ballot box

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in this country, so instead we will use the EU to impose it on Britain

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instead. I love all those logical leaps you have made in that

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sentence. No wonder Michael Gove is keen to get us out and it is implied

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by the Mail on Sunday that perhaps Horace Johnson is as well. What do

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you make of this front-page -- Boris Johnson. This has added the tension

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and drama that was absent in this very dry debate. Yes, Boris and

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Michael Gove have had this epic dinner where they have been

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discussing what to do. So epic they had to send out for fresh shirts. I

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don't know how that is an indication of a thickness, that you have to

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change your shirt, but I think Boris might be trying to figure out what

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is politically advantageous for him. I don't know that it is coming

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from... How close do you think he is to telling us what he is going to

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do? Robert Peston, the scruffiest man in journalism, has said on

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Twitter that he believes Boris is very close to backing the leave

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campaign. I hope he does do that, because if you think about it, the

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problem the leave campaign will have is that it is dominated by

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also-rans. In terms of personality right now, it is Nigel Farage, those

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are the people who will get attention, and I don't mean

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intellectually but in terms of public awareness and perception. It

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will be seen as the fringes. Boris Johnson gives it the backing of a

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former Merit London he gives it legitimacy. Is the issue that it

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will potentially be seen through the soap opera of Conservative politics?

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We have a photograph of the six ministers who have said they will

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defy David Cameron and vote to leave. Is it a problem for this

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campaign that that is the prison in which it is being presented?

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Definitely a problem. I don't blame the front pages in the papers to

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doing this, because obviously that is where the drama and tension is.

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You can understand why they would hone in on that. But it is a

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problem, because it is not about the Conservatives, but it has become a

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very Conservative debate. We are not actually hearing a progressive

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argument for staying, or even one for leaving. All of that is

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completely absent. We are at a 10% right-wing spectrum of the debate,

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and that is very frustrating. And also very boring. I believe that is

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a fair criticism, and from it is about sovereignty and trade with

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Africa, about trade barriers that Europe throws up against developing

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nations, making it difficult for them to grow. Some people are on the

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right of the Labour Party but have also joined the campaign. The big

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difference between now and 75 is it will be on one side largely

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right-wing personalities for leave, and on the other side it will be

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dominated by labour. Until we get a senior Labour figure it will look

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like that. Let's talk about the most senior figure, the PM. The Observer

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has a very impassioned photograph of David Cameron. Not someone it is

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often very sympathetic towards. But they have taken the line that

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Downing Street say. A very prime ministerial photograph of David

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Cameron, very determined and in mid- flow, not looking exhausted as he

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did on some of the papers. He has said the choices in your hand, cans.

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How do you think he is coming out of this? The perception was that he was

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reluctantly pushed into this. He said he did not want a referendum

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for a long time but then he ended up having to negotiate this. He didn't

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get what he initially wanted, he has to sell this package, he knows his

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leadership may be on the line. Do you feel sympathy for him? I think

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he is handling it very well. I think this will be the legacy that he

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will... He wants to be able to say when it comes to write his

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autobiography, I settled Scotland, and I settled Europe. David Cameron

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is a Europhile. He has been uncomfortable in the last few years

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because he has been forced by his backbenchers to pretend to be a

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Eurosceptic. But what he always wanted to do was to make this case

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for Europe, pretending he had reformed it and Britain's

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relationship with it, and win and put it aside. To be the great

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unifying PM he was wanted to be. From this point on in this campaign

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we will now see him into comfort zone. We haven't got a huge amount

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of time left let's move on to the Sunday express. -- Express. Another

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photo story here on the front page, a very different time to what we

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have been talking about. Paul Daniels. Yes, he has an incurable

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brain tumour, so obviously devastating for him and everyone who

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has enjoyed him over the years. Very brave to come out and go public with

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this. I think it must be a very difficult decision for anyone, but

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in particular when you are in the public eye and there is so much more

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significance and impact. Quite a bold decision. I remember seeing an

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interview with Timothy west talking about his wife with Alzheimer's. He

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was asked why he decided to talk about it, and he said it would

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almost seem fraudulent not to talk about it. He said people will feel

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hurt if we don't talk to them about it, so I imagine that might be why

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they have made this decision. I suspect we will hear more from them

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because he was a love -- loved figure. I'm sure we will see you

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more through the course of this campaign. That is it from me this

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evening. Up next, The Film Review.

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