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Hello, and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.

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With me are Kate Devlin, political correspondent

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at the Herald, and Bronwyn Curtis, from the Society of Business

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The European referendum dominates the Sunday papers.

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The Observer leads with a quote from David Cameron -

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He says he believes Britain will be safer and stronger in the EU.

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The Independent on Sunday says Mr Cameron is playing on voters'

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fears by putting safety at the centre of the battle.

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The Sunday Express says the EU is stuck in the past,

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and that Michael Gove's withering attack on Brussels has got the Out

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The Mail on Sunday says Michael Gove and Boris Johnson are engaged

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in a secret plot, reporting on a meeting between the pair before

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Mr Gove announced his intention to vote to leave the EU.

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The Sunday Times says the Prime Minister has declared war

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on the ministers who want to leave the EU, accusing them of making

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misleading claims that Britain's borders can be sealed

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The Sunday Telegraph also reports on what it calls

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The independent, Cameron Clays on fears leaving as a threat to

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security -- plays on fears. What do you make of that? The Corre David

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Cameron's argument is that you are safer, your jobs are safe, your

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national security is better. Yes, safer on two different fronts.

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National is it economy. We will hear an awful lot of these arguments

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hammered home in the next three months. It is interesting that, as

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you say, the newspapers are dominated by the European Union

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today. But they are all doing it in slightly different ways. That gives

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us an overview about the issues and personalities that will be involved.

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Security will be one of the top ones. I think what it shows is the

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feeling in Downing Street that what they need to do is point out the

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problems, point out the difficulties, of leaving,

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relentlessly, for the next couple of months. This has led to accusations

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of project fear. But Downing Street would say that that help them very

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much during the Scottish election, Scottish referendum. Yes, because

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you are saying that they have already used this metaphor, it is a

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leap in the dark, jump into the unknown, similar to Scotland. Very

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similar. But the problem is the opposition are saying the opposite.

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In Scotland you had project fear versus project optimism. This time

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you have to set a project fear effectively fighting each other.

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Although Douglas Carswell would say that they are the optimistic side of

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the Out campaign! But they have the point that out, which shows there is

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this real battle for both point out the downsides, and it will be a

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battle of which fear works. Who scares you most? George Galloway,

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probably! Really interesting, that front page of the Independent says

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it all. We need Europe, is really what Cameron is seeing. The other

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side is saying, we do not need Europe. I am an economist, economic

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arguments for me are compelling to stay in Europe. But take the emotion

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out of it. There was an interesting article in the Telegraph, rather

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than the Independent, buried in the Telegraph, by Michael Fallon, who is

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something of a Eurosceptic, but he says that this is not the time to

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leave the Western alliance, because we have Rush on the doorstep, we

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have Syria, problems like that -- Russia on the doorstep. But he has

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long-term business credentials, he straddles both of those points.

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Exactly. One of the most interesting things from me when I looked across

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all the papers, and a lot of them the first five pages are devoted to,

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it is a photograph opportunity. This is the cult of the personalities. We

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have got the Ins, the Outs, and it seems to be trivialised. I want to

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live on the Sun the other papers as well, but is your sense as well that

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many people might listen to business people -- I want to move onto some

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of other papers. Do you think some people tend to roll your view --

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follow your view that it is better to be In than out for business?

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There is a headline somewhere about businesses heeling the EU deal

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safety net. The mail on Sunday has a great bit of photojournalism. I take

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your point about this, but it is interesting, the

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photographer has done a very good job of making what is possibly just

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a completely innocent meeting looked rather shifty. There are some great

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photographs inside of Michael Gove coming out beaming as he reads Boris

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Johnson's house -- leaves. The issue now is, what is Boris going to do?

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This is whatever body wants to know. Michael Gove disappointed David

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Cameron becoming a gesture day as in favour of the Out sayyid. He gives

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an intellectual heft to the Out sage which its opponents could have done

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without. But Boris Johnson's popularist stream could convince

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people across the country that following Henman is the right thing

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to do. The is interesting to see what he will do. I get the

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impression you're slightly sceptical of the party politics. There might

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be people who believe that he is making a decision on what is good

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for Boris rather than the country. Perhaps I am very cynical, but are

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stars want to be Prime Minister one-day and I think he is thinking

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about whether it is better to tie himself in with David Cameron ought

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to be separate, the way that he ran London. Boris will think about

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Boris. But politicians always think about their own... That is

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interesting, because many people, many people in Scotland like him and

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think that he is colourful and different from other politicians, if

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you seem to be making calculations about himself rather than the

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country, that will not go down very well. Except for the people who he

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really taps into, the people who are starting to feel that David Cameron

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has let them down, Prosser believing betrayed them with the steel --

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possibly. Michael Gove's statement yesterday was incredibly Prime

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Minister real. He was almost saying, Britain, we are better than this. I

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would not suggest that Boris Johnson is the only one thinking about his

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future career. It was intellectually a very coherent argument. He is a

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very bright guy. Yes, of course. We will see a lot of these arguments.

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At the moment they have just been laying out their positions and will

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be interesting to see what Boris, when he does decide what he says,

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what he will say. They really did a good job on this story! The Sunday

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Telegraph, a Cabinet divided. This will be the story of the next few

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months, and perhaps the next few months. Heeling those wins will be

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difficult, because if you believe this is about the security of the

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country and you have five and a half members of the Cabinet saying

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something different, I be not in favour of the security of our

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country? -- are they? That is quite an important relegation you're

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making against your colleagues. I agree with you. The Tories have been

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keen to suggest that everything will be fine and we're not back in the

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1990s, that the party will not tear itself apart over Europe. The

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general public, having Cabinet ministers effectively arguing

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against the Prime Minister, at very least, looks as if it a divided

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party. But then you add into that the seriousness of these issues, and

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it is not just that the In can do not take national security seriously

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as perhaps they do, but the Out camp are saying that David Cameron is not

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correct in his assessment of what he has got from Europe. We are getting

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very, very close to both sides accusing each other, either of their

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responsibility or flying. This is day two. The stakes have become

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incredibly high. You mentioned George Galloway earlier, he is in

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the Out camp was Nigel Farage. That is one of the least likely

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combinations you would think in politics, but they both have very

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strong feelings about being out of the EU. That is right, whether that

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will help their Out campaign I not sure. Back in 1975 there was Enoch

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Powell and Tony Benn on the scene said. So you're going to have these

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alliances of people who you would never expect to get together. But if

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I am sitting on the other side is a normal person looking at a divided

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Cabinet, and I suspect that the Labour Party and other parties are

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just as divided, although Labour has come out in terms of staying in, is

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that they think, how can I make a decision of the politicians cannot

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get together and agree? We'll let them together a lead and we have not

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got it on this. That is all very worrying. Weight back that is why we

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have referenda, because politicians do not know which way the people are

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going. The Sunday Times, Russian doping chief wanted to tell all. The

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former head of Russia's anti-drug agency of poached journalists and

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said that he wanted to write a book about doping and has since died --

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approached journalist air. This will deepen suspicions about his death. I

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think it is a very interesting story and a very difficult time for world

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athletics. I wanted to go onto my favourite story of the day. Walkers

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hit by the curse of their smombie. It is the people who walk in the

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youth while they are texturing on their mobile phone. It is really

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annoying! Win we all do it to some extent, even if we do not like other

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people doing it. And work in Belgium now has got smombie lanes! There is

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a statue at Salisbury Cathedral that has been moved because people on

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their mobile phones kept running into it. But the whole issue, we

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joke, but people walk across roads doing it and they get killed. I

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actually saw a lady managing to Bishop is cheer, be on her mobile

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phone and smoke at the same time -- push uppish chair. The thing that

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surprises me is that we did not have a name for it before. Smartphones on

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bees, that is all I will call them from now on. I will see people

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coming towards me and think, avoid the smombie. Weight market did cheer

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us up on a rather heavy deal politics.

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We take a look at the front pages every evening at 10:30pm and

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11:30pm. Before we go, the Prime Minister has

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been speaking to Andrew Marr this

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