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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers


With me are the author and journalist,


Rachel Shabi and Tim Stanley, columnist for the Telegraph.


The European referendum dominates the Sunday papers.


The Observer leads with a quote from David Cameron:


He says he believes Britain will be safer and stronger in the EU.


The Independent on Sunday says Mr Cameron is playing


on voters' fears by putting safety at the centre of the battle.


The Sunday Express says the EU is stuck in the past,


and that Michael Gove's withering attack on Brussels has got the Out


The Mail on Sunday says Michael Gove and Boris Johnson are engaged


in a secret plot, reporting on a meeting between the


pair before Mr Gove announced his intention to vote to leave the EU.


The Sunday Times says the Prime Minister has declared war on the


ministers who want to leave the EU, accusing them of making misleading


claims that Britain's borders can be sealed by exiting the bloc.


The Sunday Telegraph also reports on what it calls "a cabinet divided".


Let's begin with how safety frames the EU vote battle. What you of


this? Well, this is basically presenting the two sides, Michael


Gove who is now freshly liberated to say what he thinks, has said exactly


what he thinks. The justice secretary and best buds with David


Cameron, perhaps not any more. Politically and personally painful


for David Cameron. It is interesting the way he frames this, with the EU


being a security crisis. It is very understanding and sympathetic that


he has framed the migrant crisis in the way of razor wires and something


we should be scared off, but it is fundamentally what the EU campaign


is about which is massive fear of migration, as opposed to all these


things they are claiming. You have managed to read into this that it is


believe people who are running on fear, when it is the remaining


people of David Cameron who are saying that leaving is a threat to


economic and national security. I am not in either of those camps as you


know, I do not take my cue from Cameron, but what I am saying to you


is that the Conservative Party have framed this referendum debate very


much in terms of a migration crisis. We can agree on that. I say this is


a Eurosceptic, but I think this will probably be framed largely around


the issue of immigration. Her country has a right to control its


borders, that deal has not given us that right, but just a four-year


break of people being able to gain access to in work benefits. Having


said all of that, I would rather we debated free-trade or sovereignty,


and our role in the world. What is it you are scared of? Is it that 500


million Europeans will swamp written because we can't control our own


borders? What is this session? For me it is not a question of fear, it


comes down to the question of pressure. You think that is an


issue? Because? For pragmatic reasons. There is pressure being


placed on social security and jobs. You can only tax-and-spend for so


long before you wreck your economy. But they bring in more than a tack.


They are net gain. At what point is it become that our services, housing


and schools, cannot take this number of people? Again, I do not want to


talk about migration to much. It is philosophical as well as practical.


A country is not an independent nation unless it controls its


borders. Is that in the end what swung it for Michael Gove?


Definitely, the intellectual question. For him, as he said in his


piece that most of the papers are carrying, it comes down to Britain


not controlling enough of the stuff, which a democratic country with a


sovereign parliament should be controlling. Should Britain be


surprised by that? I was talking to Margaret Beckett, who back 40 years


ago when she was Margaret Jackson, I think, she was a junior minister in


the Wilson government and she campaigned to get out of the EU,


which we had only been in for two years. I said, what about people who


say we have lost all our sovereignty, and having lost control


over things. She said, we had that argument in 1985. People say it was


all done surreptitious li, but I can remember talking endlessly about


sovereignty, and saying that we have to preserve it. People knew the deal


and they bought it and voted to stay in. I have accepted now that that is


how it is. I think the way you explain how the left have changed


their views on Europe is because the left, and I don't mean this is a


criticism, they tend to be instrumentalist. They don't really


mind what the process is for making social change, as long as they get.


In the 1980s, the left calculated that if we infiltrate Europe we can


turn it into a more social democratic thing, a social market


thing. So now they think, we can't get socialism through the ballot box


in this country, so instead we will use the EU to impose it on Britain


instead. I love all those logical leaps you have made in that


sentence. No wonder Michael Gove is keen to get us out and it is implied


by the Mail on Sunday that perhaps Horace Johnson is as well. What do


you make of this front-page -- Boris Johnson. This has added the tension


and drama that was absent in this very dry debate. Yes, Boris and


Michael Gove have had this epic dinner where they have been


discussing what to do. So epic they had to send out for fresh shirts. I


don't know how that is an indication of a thickness, that you have to


change your shirt, but I think Boris might be trying to figure out what


is politically advantageous for him. I don't know that it is coming


from... How close do you think he is to telling us what he is going to


do? Robert Peston, the scruffiest man in journalism, has said on


Twitter that he believes Boris is very close to backing the leave


campaign. I hope he does do that, because if you think about it, the


problem the leave campaign will have is that it is dominated by


also-rans. In terms of personality right now, it is Nigel Farage, those


are the people who will get attention, and I don't mean


intellectually but in terms of public awareness and perception. It


will be seen as the fringes. Boris Johnson gives it the backing of a


former Merit London he gives it legitimacy. Is the issue that it


will potentially be seen through the soap opera of Conservative politics?


We have a photograph of the six ministers who have said they will


defy David Cameron and vote to leave. Is it a problem for this


campaign that that is the prison in which it is being presented?


Definitely a problem. I don't blame the front pages in the papers to


doing this, because obviously that is where the drama and tension is.


You can understand why they would hone in on that. But it is a


problem, because it is not about the Conservatives, but it has become a


very Conservative debate. We are not actually hearing a progressive


argument for staying, or even one for leaving. All of that is


completely absent. We are at a 10% right-wing spectrum of the debate,


and that is very frustrating. And also very boring. I believe that is


a fair criticism, and from it is about sovereignty and trade with


Africa, about trade barriers that Europe throws up against developing


nations, making it difficult for them to grow. Some people are on the


right of the Labour Party but have also joined the campaign. The big


difference between now and 75 is it will be on one side largely


right-wing personalities for leave, and on the other side it will be


dominated by labour. Until we get a senior Labour figure it will look


like that. Let's talk about the most senior figure, the PM. The Observer


has a very impassioned photograph of David Cameron. Not someone it is


often very sympathetic towards. But they have taken the line that


Downing Street say. A very prime ministerial photograph of David


Cameron, very determined and in mid- flow, not looking exhausted as he


did on some of the papers. He has said the choices in your hand, cans.


How do you think he is coming out of this? The perception was that he was


reluctantly pushed into this. He said he did not want a referendum


for a long time but then he ended up having to negotiate this. He didn't


get what he initially wanted, he has to sell this package, he knows his


leadership may be on the line. Do you feel sympathy for him? I think


he is handling it very well. I think this will be the legacy that he


will... He wants to be able to say when it comes to write his


autobiography, I settled Scotland, and I settled Europe. David Cameron


is a Europhile. He has been uncomfortable in the last few years


because he has been forced by his backbenchers to pretend to be a


Eurosceptic. But what he always wanted to do was to make this case


for Europe, pretending he had reformed it and Britain's


relationship with it, and win and put it aside. To be the great


unifying PM he was wanted to be. From this point on in this campaign


we will now see him into comfort zone. We haven't got a huge amount


of time left let's move on to the Sunday express. -- Express. Another


photo story here on the front page, a very different time to what we


have been talking about. Paul Daniels. Yes, he has an incurable


brain tumour, so obviously devastating for him and everyone who


has enjoyed him over the years. Very brave to come out and go public with


this. I think it must be a very difficult decision for anyone, but


in particular when you are in the public eye and there is so much more


significance and impact. Quite a bold decision. I remember seeing an


interview with Timothy west talking about his wife with Alzheimer's. He


was asked why he decided to talk about it, and he said it would


almost seem fraudulent not to talk about it. He said people will feel


hurt if we don't talk to them about it, so I imagine that might be why


they have made this decision. I suspect we will hear more from them


because he was a love -- loved figure. I'm sure we will see you


more through the course of this campaign. That is it from me this


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