21/02/2016 The Papers

Hello, and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.

With me are Kate Devlin, political correspondent

at the Herald, and Bronwyn Curtis, from the Society of Business

The European referendum dominates the Sunday papers.

The Observer leads with a quote from David Cameron -

He says he believes Britain will be safer and stronger in the EU.

The Independent on Sunday says Mr Cameron is playing on voters'

fears by putting safety at the centre of the battle.

The Sunday Express says the EU is stuck in the past,

and that Michael Gove's withering attack on Brussels has got the Out

The Mail on Sunday says Michael Gove and Boris Johnson are engaged

in a secret plot, reporting on a meeting between the pair before

Mr Gove announced his intention to vote to leave the EU.

The Sunday Times says the Prime Minister has declared war

on the ministers who want to leave the EU, accusing them of making

misleading claims that Britain's borders can be sealed

The Sunday Telegraph also reports on what it calls

The independent, Cameron Clays on fears leaving as a threat to

security -- plays on fears. What do you make of that? The Corre David

Cameron's argument is that you are safer, your jobs are safe, your

national security is better. Yes, safer on two different fronts.

National is it economy. We will hear an awful lot of these arguments

hammered home in the next three months. It is interesting that, as

you say, the newspapers are dominated by the European Union

today. But they are all doing it in slightly different ways. That gives

us an overview about the issues and personalities that will be involved.

Security will be one of the top ones. I think what it shows is the

feeling in Downing Street that what they need to do is point out the

problems, point out the difficulties, of leaving,

relentlessly, for the next couple of months. This has led to accusations

of project fear. But Downing Street would say that that help them very

much during the Scottish election, Scottish referendum. Yes, because

you are saying that they have already used this metaphor, it is a

leap in the dark, jump into the unknown, similar to Scotland. Very

similar. But the problem is the opposition are saying the opposite.

In Scotland you had project fear versus project optimism. This time

you have to set a project fear effectively fighting each other.

Although Douglas Carswell would say that they are the optimistic side of

the Out campaign! But they have the point that out, which shows there is

this real battle for both point out the downsides, and it will be a

battle of which fear works. Who scares you most? George Galloway,

probably! Really interesting, that front page of the Independent says

it all. We need Europe, is really what Cameron is seeing. The other

side is saying, we do not need Europe. I am an economist, economic

arguments for me are compelling to stay in Europe. But take the emotion

out of it. There was an interesting article in the Telegraph, rather

than the Independent, buried in the Telegraph, by Michael Fallon, who is

something of a Eurosceptic, but he says that this is not the time to

leave the Western alliance, because we have Rush on the doorstep, we

have Syria, problems like that -- Russia on the doorstep. But he has

long-term business credentials, he straddles both of those points.

Exactly. One of the most interesting things from me when I looked across

all the papers, and a lot of them the first five pages are devoted to,

it is a photograph opportunity. This is the cult of the personalities. We

have got the Ins, the Outs, and it seems to be trivialised. I want to

live on the Sun the other papers as well, but is your sense as well that

many people might listen to business people -- I want to move onto some

of other papers. Do you think some people tend to roll your view --

follow your view that it is better to be In than out for business?

There is a headline somewhere about businesses heeling the EU deal

safety net. The mail on Sunday has a great bit of photojournalism. I take

your point about this, but it is interesting, the

photographer has done a very good job of making what is possibly just

a completely innocent meeting looked rather shifty. There are some great

photographs inside of Michael Gove coming out beaming as he reads Boris

Johnson's house -- leaves. The issue now is, what is Boris going to do?

This is whatever body wants to know. Michael Gove disappointed David

Cameron becoming a gesture day as in favour of the Out sayyid. He gives

an intellectual heft to the Out sage which its opponents could have done

without. But Boris Johnson's popularist stream could convince

people across the country that following Henman is the right thing

to do. The is interesting to see what he will do. I get the

impression you're slightly sceptical of the party politics. There might

be people who believe that he is making a decision on what is good

for Boris rather than the country. Perhaps I am very cynical, but are

stars want to be Prime Minister one-day and I think he is thinking

about whether it is better to tie himself in with David Cameron ought

to be separate, the way that he ran London. Boris will think about

Boris. But politicians always think about their own... That is

interesting, because many people, many people in Scotland like him and

think that he is colourful and different from other politicians, if

you seem to be making calculations about himself rather than the

country, that will not go down very well. Except for the people who he

really taps into, the people who are starting to feel that David Cameron

has let them down, Prosser believing betrayed them with the steel --

possibly. Michael Gove's statement yesterday was incredibly Prime

Minister real. He was almost saying, Britain, we are better than this. I

would not suggest that Boris Johnson is the only one thinking about his

future career. It was intellectually a very coherent argument. He is a

very bright guy. Yes, of course. We will see a lot of these arguments.

At the moment they have just been laying out their positions and will

be interesting to see what Boris, when he does decide what he says,

what he will say. They really did a good job on this story! The Sunday

Telegraph, a Cabinet divided. This will be the story of the next few

months, and perhaps the next few months. Heeling those wins will be

difficult, because if you believe this is about the security of the

country and you have five and a half members of the Cabinet saying

something different, I be not in favour of the security of our

country? -- are they? That is quite an important relegation you're

making against your colleagues. I agree with you. The Tories have been

keen to suggest that everything will be fine and we're not back in the

1990s, that the party will not tear itself apart over Europe. The

general public, having Cabinet ministers effectively arguing

against the Prime Minister, at very least, looks as if it a divided

party. But then you add into that the seriousness of these issues, and

it is not just that the In can do not take national security seriously

as perhaps they do, but the Out camp are saying that David Cameron is not

correct in his assessment of what he has got from Europe. We are getting

very, very close to both sides accusing each other, either of their

responsibility or flying. This is day two. The stakes have become

incredibly high. You mentioned George Galloway earlier, he is in

the Out camp was Nigel Farage. That is one of the least likely

combinations you would think in politics, but they both have very

strong feelings about being out of the EU. That is right, whether that

will help their Out campaign I not sure. Back in 1975 there was Enoch

Powell and Tony Benn on the scene said. So you're going to have these

alliances of people who you would never expect to get together. But if

I am sitting on the other side is a normal person looking at a divided

Cabinet, and I suspect that the Labour Party and other parties are

just as divided, although Labour has come out in terms of staying in, is

that they think, how can I make a decision of the politicians cannot

get together and agree? We'll let them together a lead and we have not

got it on this. That is all very worrying. Weight back that is why we

have referenda, because politicians do not know which way the people are

going. The Sunday Times, Russian doping chief wanted to tell all. The

former head of Russia's anti-drug agency of poached journalists and

said that he wanted to write a book about doping and has since died --

approached journalist air. This will deepen suspicions about his death. I

think it is a very interesting story and a very difficult time for world

athletics. I wanted to go onto my favourite story of the day. Walkers

hit by the curse of their smombie. It is the people who walk in the

youth while they are texturing on their mobile phone. It is really

annoying! Win we all do it to some extent, even if we do not like other

people doing it. And work in Belgium now has got smombie lanes! There is

a statue at Salisbury Cathedral that has been moved because people on

their mobile phones kept running into it. But the whole issue, we

joke, but people walk across roads doing it and they get killed. I

actually saw a lady managing to Bishop is cheer, be on her mobile

phone and smoke at the same time -- push uppish chair. The thing that

surprises me is that we did not have a name for it before. Smartphones on

bees, that is all I will call them from now on. I will see people

coming towards me and think, avoid the smombie. Weight market did cheer

us up on a rather heavy deal politics.

We take a look at the front pages every evening at 10:30pm and

11:30pm. Before we go, the Prime Minister has

been speaking to Andrew Marr this