27/02/2016 The Papers

Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers

With me are Press and Journal's Westminster Correspondent,

Lindsay Watling, and broadcaster David Akinsanya.

Many thanks for coming in. We can look at some of the front pages in

brief. The Sunday Times reports that

David Cameron is being warned he may face a leadership challenge

even if Britain votes to stay The Independent leads

with the government's Investigatory Powers Bill being

introduced in the Commons this week. The Observer has an interview with

the Europe Minister David Lidington - who says Britain voting to leave

the EU would spark a decade The Sunday Express leads

with a survey suggesting 25 out of the 28 EU member states feel

negatively about the future And sticking with the EU theme,

the Mail reports on divisions within the Conservative party -

with reports of the Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond clashing

with a long standing Tory Lots of EU as you would imagine. It

is a big story because of the new lines which are emerging from

Shanghai and elsewhere. Let's start with the Observer. Brexit would

spark decade of economic limbo. That is not what the Chi 20 have been

saying. This is the Europe minister. This is from David living -- David

living to the Europe minister. He has had a big role in getting the

deal that is on the table. It is another EU story, another

intervention from a Tory saying there could be a decade of economic

uncertainty with disastrous consequences if written votes to

leave the EU. He points to trade deals, suggesting the process of

renegotiating trade deals with countries would take almost a decade

if we were to leave the EU. David, you are a broadcaster and you

probably hear from listeners and viewers probably more than newspaper

correspondents do. Do people understand the economic implication

of the EU? I don't think they do. Because you have this battle going

on in the Tory party I think people are left very confused. We have a

long way to go before the referendum in terms of hours of broadcasting,

and I think, just look at The Papers now. Every single paper. Depending

on which paper you read depends on what they have said. A financial

expert has said there pitfalls that we pull out, pitfalls if we stay in

and they present a balanced argument. That you cannot summarise

those in easy sound bites. You said before we came now you are better

off listening to economic experts. The problem is the politicians

position themselves for their own futures or try and have a go at

someone else and I think that is the problem. The real issues about

immigration or paperwork increasing woody creasing of the come out of

Europe, are the real issues. They want to know how it will affect

them. The Europe minister is demanding clarity from the outcome,

that is something they need to come up with? Yes, they need to say what

the landscape will look like if we vote to leave the EU and there is a

lot of talk about being a leap into the unknown. David Cameron and draws

Osborne will be looking at what they have to do with the referendum does

not go their way -- George Osborne. They will not be making a big deal

out of it because they want a campaign to keep Britain in the EU

said they will keep this under wraps. What this Observer front page

gives some insight to the divisions within a political party. Shall we

move on to the Mail on Sunday? They are describing it as a meltdown. It

is a particular meltdown with the Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond

involved. This is the paper talking about Philip Hammond apparently

using some fairly unsavoury language in relation to Bill Cash for

publishing what is supposed to be a secret Brussels legal report on the

EU deal negotiated by David Cameron so he is taking issue with that.

This story says he specifically told Sir Bill it was not to be published

but when he turned up to give evidence before the EU scrutiny

committee people had copies of it and it later went on a website. He

has been under pressure anyway because he is a well-known

Eurosceptic but he has come out in favour of the campaign. He said he

will be loyal to David Cameron so I guess he has been under pressure

from David Cameron and perhaps this has pushed him too far. I like the

idea of blue on blue violence! They really are tearing themselves apart.

Isn't that a good thing? To be passionate about it? You say blue on

blue violence, this is huge disagreements but this is happening

all over the country? I did know. I don't hear people in the street

getting angry and agitated about it. It looks like people finding their

own position and trying to make people agree with them. It feels

like scaremongering. You have both sides saying it is all doom and

gloom if we leave and people really want to know how will affect them

and their issues like immigration. You say scaremongering. I think it's

too much goes on, there is a risk of a really low turnout in the EU

referendum. People thinking this has nothing to do with my life on a

day-to-day basis, I will not brother voting.

The newspapers have a responsibility to make it engaging but do it

properly. People get bored of it. With the Scottish referendum people

were confused. On all sides people were full of passion. I think with

the Scottish referendum they could see how it related to their life

more directly. I think it is harder with the EU because it is a layer of

bureaucracy of both national governance. The Sunday Times reports

on the danger of politicians being passionate about the EU referendum

when they are all in the same political party. Tory threat to oust

PM after EU vote, win or lose. It has been a tough week for Cameron.

Lots of senior figures in his party, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove coming

out and casting doubt on the legitimacy of the deal and whether

it would be legally binding. He has had a tough week. Now we read he has

been warned he will face a leadership challenge even if he wins

the EU referendum. There is a comment from an unnamed senior

backbencher which says his position will be untenable even if he wins

the referendum, if he carries on like this, there will be no problem

in getting 50 names, which is what they need for a vote of

no-confidence. Is that because there will be so much dissatisfaction from

people in his own party? Europe will always have a lot of dissatisfaction

within the party. It is a difficult word to say! That is why I see more

disarray within that party than the other parties. It appears so. We

have always known there are some real right-wing Tories who do not

want to be in Europe and David Cameron has been talking for years

about appeasing them at keeping them quiet. He says he is not a big fan

of the European Union but he is a big fan of Britain staying in. He

says he has nothing to gain from it. It is dangerous because at the end

of all of this, however it pans out, they have to come back and

reassemble and try and move on. They are giving Labour run for their

money this week and I think we will see more of that as the referendum

gets closer. You see that in America with presidential elections. We are

seeing it now with two front runners for their party, whether it is the

Democrats for the Republicans, having a go at each other and

putting each other down but they seem to be able to repair it and the

relationship carries on. You would hope so. The whole point of

democracy is people having different opinions and challenging each other

and moving on afterwards. In America you are voting for the president.

And the political party they represent that you do focus more on

the president than the characters they represent. We will stick with

the Sunday Times. This does get people debating up and down the

country, childless. They have had warnings. -- chuggers. They have

been debating this. Shall be explained what chuggers are? Charity

muggers. I wish they had buckets. If they have buckets I am happy, it is

the direct debit details. I do street consultations for community

groups and these chuggers have really spoiled your work because if

they see you with a clipboard they think you are going to ask them for

a direct debit. In some places they have been very aggressive. You can

take a route to avoid them by going behind but they are spread across

the pavement. There is a real danger for charities in terms of

fundraising longer-term because so much damage is being done to

charities. When you give money, you think this is great, I am doing

something good. But then you hear these tactics are going on. There

was one clear pensioner but you hear horror stories of cold calling when

your information is passed on and shared, your data. So chuggers, they

have been banned from some Boris? Some councils have banned them. It

is this whole idea that once you give your details, someone said you

can buy your details. They sell it to other charities. When you have so

many cutbacks going on and charities having to do so much, they are

desperate for money. I work with charities and I sit on committees. I

do not give cash any more because what I have seen from the inside, a

lot of charities in very swanky offices not far from here, with

their headquarters and CEOs who are earning ?120,000 and that is why

people do not want to give money. But if you stop giving money then

where does the money come from? I give my time. I am not criticising

you but if everybody stops, it is a hard line to walk, I suspect. Shall

we talk about snoopers? You have had a chance to read the inside pages

which have come through. Basically there is a bill which is being put

forward by Theresa May and this is number two. The suggestion in the

story is there will be a suggestion to bounce MPs into backing it head

of the EU referendum. The suggestion is they are trying to rush it

through. Essentially, the aim of the bill is to force Internet service

providers and mobile phone companies to maintain records of each user's

browser history. It gives spy agencies sweeping powers. To go back

over stuff. It has been controversial and the suggestion is

they are trying to sweep it through. Presumably Theresa May has been

watching the Apple thing. I've learned how to cure my phone is. I

am old and I'm scared to do anything online because I am worried about

people getting hold of my details, the debit cards and stuff. We are

not being snooped on 24/7, every e-mail we send? It is about having

access to it when it is asked for. We are not being spied on around the

clock but still a lot of liberty groups are very unhappy about it.

Shall we talk about Adele? How much would you pay to see heroin concept?

24 ground. I had the money, I would. Not many people have that money to

waste on a ticket. -- the money to see her in concert. She has tried in

the past to stop those who sell on resale tickets. I don't think she

would like this. She has deliberately gone out to try and

stop this. There are people who live in London, I know there is a lot of

poverty but they have so much money that if they fancy going and they

have 24 ground to pay, they will do it. Your average fan does not have

24 ground. Your average fan does not have access to the Internet to get

online quick enough to get one of the tickets. That is the problem.

Has this ticket been sold legally? It is through one of the four main

ticket selling websites. There are websites where you can resell a

ticket and usually says you cannot resell it but you can. It is

capitalism. There you go. If I had the money I would be there in the

front row. I think she is great. She won four Brit awards last week.

Worth every penny. She is the lady of the moment. You are big fan, I

can tell! That's it for The Papers

for this hour. Thank you Lindsay Watling

and David Akinsanya, you'll both be back at 11.30pm

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