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And before 11 o'clock, Meet The Author with Rose Tremain. | :00:00. | :00:21. | |
Welcome to our look at what is going to be in the papers tomorrow. With | :00:22. | :00:27. | |
me, the political commentator Lance Price, and the columnist Tony Green. | :00:28. | :00:32. | |
That's why you through the front pages we have them at the moment. | :00:33. | :00:36. | |
The Daily Telegraph leading on Britain accusing Bush of being | :00:37. | :00:39. | |
guilty of war crimes with its bombing in Syria. The Times claims | :00:40. | :00:47. | |
that bombing includes the use of napalm by the Russian-backed Syrian | :00:48. | :00:53. | |
government. Metro focuses on the Labour Shadow Chancellor John | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
McDonnell's refusal to apologise after saying that former | :00:57. | :01:00. | |
Conservative disabilities minister estimate -- Esther McVey should be | :01:01. | :01:12. | |
lynched. In the i, allegations that Theresa May failed to properly back | :01:13. | :01:17. | |
the Remain campaign. The decision to leave the EU is also dominating the | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
Financial Times, reporting fears in the City of London that the | :01:22. | :01:24. | |
Government is leaning towards a so-called hard Brexit rather than a | :01:25. | :01:28. | |
soft Brexit, which it says would damage business confidence. The Sun | :01:29. | :01:35. | |
splashes on its exclusive interview with England footballer Jamie Vardy | :01:36. | :01:38. | |
and his room or over racially abusing a student. And Prince George | :01:39. | :01:43. | |
and Princess Charlotte adorn the front page of the Daily Mail. So, | :01:44. | :01:53. | |
let's kick off. Lance Price, we've got these accusations still rumbling | :01:54. | :01:59. | |
on about Theresa May being delivered, a series of accusations | :02:00. | :02:02. | |
from people close to David Cameron and a reply now from people close to | :02:03. | :02:07. | |
Theresa May - a war of words within the Tory party? It is an | :02:08. | :02:11. | |
extraordinary battle which is being fought out so soon after Theresa May | :02:12. | :02:15. | |
taking over, between her and friends of her predecessor David Cameron. | :02:16. | :02:20. | |
Sparked off by a book by his former director of communications, now Sir | :02:21. | :02:28. | |
Craig Oliver, which set the cat amongst the pigeons by suggesting | :02:29. | :02:31. | |
that Theresa May was not perhaps batting for Brexit as much as she | :02:32. | :02:35. | |
should have been, and as much as David Cameron wanted her to be. But | :02:36. | :02:38. | |
now we have got an argument over how strong she was on controls on | :02:39. | :02:43. | |
migration. Downing Street itself, or friends of the new pram minister, | :02:44. | :02:48. | |
actually issuing memos pointing out that she was arguing for much | :02:49. | :02:54. | |
stronger rules on migration than David Cameron's not saying that she | :02:55. | :02:59. | |
was. So, David Cameron's friends trying to protect his legacy, trying | :03:00. | :03:04. | |
to share some of the blame for the Brexit defeat. And Theresa May of | :03:05. | :03:07. | |
course is absolutely determined that her image as an incoming Prime | :03:08. | :03:12. | |
Minister is not going to be painted by others, and certainly not by her | :03:13. | :03:20. | |
predecessor. So,, Tony, no love lost, it seems? Absolutely and why | :03:21. | :03:25. | |
would there be? We talk about her being Prime Minister, but actually | :03:26. | :03:29. | |
she is not in a strong position if you think about it. She's got a | :03:30. | :03:33. | |
working majority of 16, she's got dozens of MPs whom she sacked who | :03:34. | :03:37. | |
were very loyal to David Cameron and the manifesto of 2015 which did not | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
mention for example grammar schools. She's just announced to the party | :03:42. | :03:47. | |
about the grammar schools. I should also mention the other book, written | :03:48. | :03:51. | |
by my Sunday Times colleague, Tim Shipman, which has caused the most | :03:52. | :03:55. | |
anger, because it alleges that when David Cameron was putting together | :03:56. | :03:58. | |
his negotiation strategy with the European Union ahead of the | :03:59. | :04:01. | |
referendum, but actually it was Theresa May and others who said, | :04:02. | :04:06. | |
don't ask for controls on migration, and that's actually much more | :04:07. | :04:10. | |
damaging, means that Theresa May's attempts to present herself as a | :04:11. | :04:13. | |
strong negotiator with Europe have been trashed. That's one reason why | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
Downing Street have reacted so strongly. Actually what they've done | :04:19. | :04:22. | |
is to produce memos sent between Theresa May and David Cameron from | :04:23. | :04:25. | |
the time, to prove the point that she has been tough on this issue. | :04:26. | :04:29. | |
But she faces enemies everywhere she looks. Talking about her negotiating | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
stand, the Financial Times have got this story about what kind of Brexit | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
it will be, which we still don't really know. Will it be hard or | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
soft, a bit like how you like your boiled eggs? DFT saying that the | :04:42. | :04:46. | |
City fears that No 10 is shifting towards a hard Brexit? The problem | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
of course which everybody has is that no-one knows where No 10 is | :04:52. | :04:55. | |
heading, because perhaps quite rightly, she may not have any | :04:56. | :04:58. | |
choice, that Theresa May is keeping her cards close to her chest on | :04:59. | :05:07. | |
this. The fear is that the strong Brexiteers she has put in place, | :05:08. | :05:10. | |
including the Foreign Secretary, Liam Fox, David Davis, they | :05:11. | :05:15. | |
recognise that there isn't a third way. Either you're going to leave | :05:16. | :05:21. | |
the single market, and you're going to take everything that goes with | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
that, and that probably involves leaving the customs union as well, | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
that's hard Brexit, or you stay inside the single market and you're | :05:31. | :05:33. | |
very close to the situation which we have at the moment, which would not | :05:34. | :05:37. | |
be acceptable to the hard Brexiteers. And so she's caught in | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
this cleft stick. Everyone is pushing her one way or the other. | :05:43. | :05:47. | |
Weakness of her position is that she refuses to put any meat on the bone. | :05:48. | :05:53. | |
Will it be her that decides, or will it be that trio of Brexiteers? It | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
certainly will not be then, she will be making the decision, she chairs | :05:59. | :06:01. | |
the committee which will make the final decisions. We may get some | :06:02. | :06:05. | |
clarity this week. On Tuesday, Liam Fox, the Secretary of State for | :06:06. | :06:10. | |
Health and national trade, will be making a speech at the World Trade | :06:11. | :06:12. | |
Organisation. We are expecting him in that speech to talk about the | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
fact that effectively, if the UK wants to do its own trade deals | :06:18. | :06:21. | |
around the world, it will have to leave the customs union. I think | :06:22. | :06:24. | |
there is a lot of nonsense spoken about the single market. There's a | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
big fence between being a member and trading with the single market. | :06:29. | :06:32. | |
China and the United States manage to trade with the European Union | :06:33. | :06:35. | |
whilst not being involved with every single piece of regulation. Some as | :06:36. | :06:41. | |
an lots of uncertainties ahead. But I think you're right, the third way | :06:42. | :06:45. | |
was a good analogy. There isn't a third way. If we want to control | :06:46. | :06:50. | |
immigration, we can't have access to the free market in the way that we | :06:51. | :06:53. | |
have now. So the UK needs to decide what it once and how much it is | :06:54. | :06:56. | |
going to get out of the European Union. But I think we need to start | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
pivoting our thinking to the vast majority of the world's population | :07:01. | :07:04. | |
that are not in the European Union, and the trading opportunities which | :07:05. | :07:08. | |
could be out there for us IF these three ministers do their job | :07:09. | :07:11. | |
properly. Let's go back to The Times, which has a top story saying | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
that Russia is accused of a barbaric napalm attack on civilians in | :07:17. | :07:22. | |
Aleppo. Saying that not only that, they have dropped not only napalm, | :07:23. | :07:30. | |
but cluster bombs and bunker busting happens as well. It is an absolutely | :07:31. | :07:36. | |
appalling situation in Aleppo. What is interesting to date is what the | :07:37. | :07:39. | |
international community are trying to do about it. Really, they have no | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
cards left. They have been trying to hold Russia and Syria to account at | :07:44. | :07:48. | |
the United Nations, with some extraordinarily strong words. | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
Britain's representative even walking out of a meeting when the | :07:54. | :07:55. | |
Syrian foreign minister was about to speak. But with such an onslaught | :07:56. | :08:04. | |
going on from the air, including these appalling bunker buster bombs, | :08:05. | :08:10. | |
they have put hospitals and schools Underground, which are now being | :08:11. | :08:12. | |
threatened by these penetrating bombs... It seems very unlikely that | :08:13. | :08:19. | |
any talk of war crimes is going to stop that. They will push it as far | :08:20. | :08:24. | |
as they possibly can. Let's go to the Guardian, Labour Party | :08:25. | :08:27. | |
conference obviously in Liverpool, Jeremy Corbyn easily being | :08:28. | :08:30. | |
re-elected to the leadership. The question of course, what happens | :08:31. | :08:33. | |
next? Talk about wiping the slate clean and party unity, but the | :08:34. | :08:41. | |
Guardian headline is, Corbyn foes refusing to be silenced. Can I say | :08:42. | :08:48. | |
one thing, these rebels, which is actually three quarters of the | :08:49. | :08:51. | |
Parliamentary party, have just failed to deliver on one of the most | :08:52. | :08:54. | |
farcical leadership campaigns I've ever seen. We have some of on | :08:55. | :08:58. | |
Corbyn, with the party presenting this awful candidate, Owen Smith, | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
who appears to be some kind of gaffe machine. His pitch seems to be, I | :09:04. | :09:07. | |
have exactly the same ideological principles of Jeremy Corbyn, but I | :09:08. | :09:15. | |
am slightly more presentable, apart from all the gaffes that I do! They | :09:16. | :09:19. | |
need to have a long think about what they're trying to do. Corbyn has | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
trashed them. Lance, you are an expert on Labour Party internal | :09:25. | :09:28. | |
politics, for your sins, what they can do? I identify I guessed with | :09:29. | :09:31. | |
those moderates. My friends in the party are having to do some very, | :09:32. | :09:36. | |
very hard thinking. With these two rallies today, Progress and Labour | :09:37. | :09:45. | |
First, very well attended, spilling into the street. You saw people like | :09:46. | :09:49. | |
Angela Eagle, Hilary Benn, making it pretty clear that they will stand | :09:50. | :09:52. | |
and fight for their vision of what the Labour Party should be. I agree | :09:53. | :09:59. | |
with Tony that it was an ignominious election campaign, it did nobody any | :10:00. | :10:02. | |
favours at all, certainly not the Labour Party. But nor did it really | :10:03. | :10:06. | |
resolve anything. Chiefly, will the party stick together? A lot of talk | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
that it was going to split? If you split, or you do is help the Tories, | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
and nobody wants to do that. We've got John McDonnell, the Shadow | :10:16. | :10:19. | |
Chancellor, refusing to say sorry for suggesting, for talking in | :10:20. | :10:24. | |
pretty dramatic terms about Esther McVey, the Conservative Party | :10:25. | :10:32. | |
member, that she should be lynched. He would not go back on this? And | :10:33. | :10:39. | |
that's a disgrace. Can I just remind you, I work with MPs every day. | :10:40. | :10:43. | |
We've had an MP murdered in our constituency. Labour MPs coming | :10:44. | :10:48. | |
under daily abuse and threats. I spoke to a Labour MP couple weeks | :10:49. | :10:53. | |
ago who said angry, and told me, someone has just found up my | :10:54. | :10:55. | |
constituency office and screamed abuse down the phone about how they | :10:56. | :10:59. | |
were going to kill them. That's the toxicity in our politics. For this | :11:00. | :11:04. | |
arrogant man, this IRA apologist, to say he will not apologise for | :11:05. | :11:07. | |
comments which were ridiculous, lynching a female MP... And this is | :11:08. | :11:13. | |
the problem for two Labour, where do you go from here? Says, sometimes | :11:14. | :11:19. | |
you need to Express your anger. This man is the Shadow Chancellor, he | :11:20. | :11:23. | |
needs to start showing that. And Jeremy Corbyn needs to make it | :11:24. | :11:26. | |
absolutely clear, and he needs to slap down his one close friend in | :11:27. | :11:31. | |
politics, John McDonnell. Was Jamie Corbyn does not go in for this kind | :11:32. | :11:34. | |
of language and he doesn't set a different kind of example, and | :11:35. | :11:38. | |
that's how he says he wants the Labour Party to conduct itself. I'm | :11:39. | :11:41. | |
afraid John McDonnell is a very, very nasty piece of work, and his | :11:42. | :11:44. | |
style of politics is incompatible with what Jeremy Corbyn says he | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
wants, but doesn't take action to incest that everybody else does the | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
same. Somebody else who uses colourful language, of course, | :11:54. | :12:00. | |
across the Atlantic is Donald Trump. And there is the key TV debate | :12:01. | :12:04. | |
tomorrow night, the first of three, which could be critical. Do you | :12:05. | :12:07. | |
think this one will be critical? I don't know. We will see what | :12:08. | :12:11. | |
happens. One thing to consider is that almost as much as three | :12:12. | :12:14. | |
quarters of Americans may be tuning in at some point, so the first | :12:15. | :12:18. | |
debate is really critical. It's critical for Hillary. The thing | :12:19. | :12:22. | |
about Trump is, it's anti-politics. In the past, candidates would have | :12:23. | :12:27. | |
spent weeks preparing, getting someone in to play their opponent, | :12:28. | :12:31. | |
thinking about the questions - Trump does not do that, he's | :12:32. | :12:35. | |
anti-politics, he will just turn up and answer questions. It's scary but | :12:36. | :12:40. | |
refreshing. A lot of undecided voters still? There are some. The | :12:41. | :12:48. | |
poles are showing that they are narrowing, so this could be crucial? | :12:49. | :12:51. | |
It's crucial for Hillary Clinton. She's in that difficult position of | :12:52. | :12:55. | |
being far and away the best qualified candidate to be president | :12:56. | :12:59. | |
- I don't think any impartial observer could say otherwise - and | :13:00. | :13:05. | |
yet he could go in and walk away with it. The barrier for success for | :13:06. | :13:09. | |
him is incredibly low. All he has to do is not insult of the population | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
of America during the course of the debate, and look vaguely as if he | :13:14. | :13:18. | |
could be vaguely presidential, and people will say, this is a triumph. | :13:19. | :13:22. | |
Will he be trying not to say something outrageous, do you think? | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
Who knows? Tone is white, which Donald Trump will each be? His | :13:27. | :13:30. | |
advisers will be hoping that he doesn't say anything outrageous, | :13:31. | :13:34. | |
he's already said, I can say what I like. And that's what his supporters | :13:35. | :13:40. | |
like. Yes. If he thinks that's his route do victory, he will carry on | :13:41. | :13:44. | |
with it. That makes it very, very hard for Hillary Clinton to respond. | :13:45. | :13:49. | |
Both of you, for the moment, thank you very much for being with us. | :13:50. | :13:52. | |
They will both be back at half past 11 with another look at the stories | :13:53. | :13:58. | |
making the news tomorrow. Coming up - it's Meet The Author. | :13:59. | :14:06. | |
In the first sentence of Rose Tremain's novel, | :14:07. | :14:10. | |
In the first sentence of Rose Tremain's novel | :14:11. | :14:13. | |
The Gustav Sonata, we are told that Gustav loves his mother | :14:14. | :14:17. |