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Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.


With me are the Political Commentator Vincent Moss


and Ian Birrell who's a contributing editor at the Mail on Sunday.


The Sunday Telegraph interviews the former


Prime Minister Tony Blair, who says inquiries into alleged


abuses by British troops should never have been ordered.


David Cameron's former spin doctor is quoted in the Mail on Sunday,


where he reveals divisions sprang up between Cameron and Theresa May


in the Sunday Times that divisions in the Labour party


The Sunday Express says the detective who brought double


murderer Christopher Halliwell to justice believes he may also


have killed the missing chef Claudia Lawrence.


And the Sun reports that Zoe Ball and Norman Cook are separating


Jeremy Corbyn's victory is the Observer's lead.


It says Labour's leader intends to give more power


Let's look at that story first. More power to the members, not the


members of Parliament but the members of the party. This is his


dilemma. A huge victory. MPs have strategically blundered over this


but how is he going to communicate with the rest of the people who are


not members of the Labour Party? That is a big challenge. What the


Observer is talking about is trying to win back the PLP, get them back


on board. They seem to be insisting on wanting Shadow Cabinet elections.


Jeremy Corbyn and his allies realised they could lose a lot of


the power within the centre of the party if that happens. Talk about


giving the power to the members, he is talking about giving the people


who voted for him a chance to have a say in Shadow Cabinet elections. All


those people who quit Jeremy Corbyn's Shadow cabinets, who helped


him run the show, will they come back and support and work with them?


The big thing you will see today at the Labour conference, is that very


few big hitters have yet said that they are prepared to go back and


work with them. That is very significant. Looking out at the


other way, they have suffered a huge reverse occurs they look weak and on


the wrong side of party history. They're in a weaker position now


than they were before hands. They have not just failed but fails


badly. Some of them will crawl back into the shadow cabinets, others


won't. None of the issues have been resolved. The only difference is


that Jeremy Corbyn is in a slightly stronger position than he was before


the coup. Now I think they're... Jeremy Corbyn will go on and MPs


have to make a decision to stick with this, split, joint and unify


behind the party and realise that the party has changed. You never


hear any adjusting policies coming from the mainstream labour movement.


For all their talk of wanted to control the party and talk of the


centre ground, which is obviously correct because you win elections in


the centre, it's hard to think of any adjusting policies coming out of


these whingeing Labour MPs. On that point, whingeing MPs or otherwise,


also in the Observer, John McDonnell, Shadow Chancellor, claims


Labour's summer of vitriol is behind it. The party must be said for a


snap election. We are supposed to have a fixed term parliaments, but


you could see a scenario where Theresa May says she needs the


support of the country, because she has never been elected as Prime


Minister through a national mandate. Exit of the biggest decision of our


lifetimes, maybe she have to go to the country next year because there


are my Brexit plans and please endorse them. McDonald might be


right. There is always a possibility but with MPs, you have for years job


security until 2020. You won't see many MPs endorsing snap elections.


You will see that pressure in a media and certain Labour characters


talking about that, because there is a theory that if you want to get rid


of Jeremy Corbyn you do that quickest through a snap election,


which means that if Labour loses, he would presumably have a new leader.


John McDonnell also recognises that people are talking about these


things and they has to get ahead of it. I take some issue with what he


said about the backbenchers in the Labour Party. A lot of those have


done very good work on things like immigration. Yvette Cooper. I think


you are right about what you say about the policy vacuum. Normally


there would be a grid of stories for any party conference but this is all


about process and power in the Labour Party. Corbyn and John


McDonnell have little to say about policy and this would normally be a


rich scene of stories on the BBC and in the media, different minister on


everyday talking about the new policy. The in higher vacuum there


because all the focus is on these internal matter nations. And also at


a time when Britain is reshaping its relationship with the world over the


next two or three, or for five years. We don't have a functioning


opposition which is challenging the government. Conservative MPs have


expressed to me their concern about this, I do feel that they need


somebody to offer a decent opposition. Sadiq Khan, again on the


same kind of story, about process. Sunday Times, Sadiq Khan, Corbyn


purge could kill Labour. The Corbyn mood music is absolutely not of a


purge., rows and have a chat. Yes, that it would be strange if the mood


music was about a purge. Sadiq Khan is for an away the most credible


challenger to Corbyn and positioning himself very skilfully as a


potential alternative leader, who has a record of success and could


unify to some extent the party. I think that's what this is about, it


is Sadiq Khan reminding us that he is in play and he is there. You got


more votes than Jeremy Corbyn among the general electorate of London.


And he is also a winner which is the key thing. He has shown how to do


that and how Labour can do that. Albeit it's a metropolitan area that


he has all the recipe for success. He is warning in this piece about


the risk of the party 's blessing. This is a plea to the moderates,


don't go away, we don't want a repeat of the 1980s and the FTP.


This is a plea for unity from a different wing and a more successful


point of view than the same messages coming out from... I think it feels


very different from the 1980s. Jeremy Corbyn is no Michael foot,


for a start. It is a much more fever of media, different electorate. More


fundamental differences. I think the chances of success in a multiparty


system, which could emerge out of all the various things happening in


politics, or more profound. Labour is clearly becoming a protest


movement of the left in the way it has changed in the last 1.5 years.


There is a role for a body of centre-left social Democrats,


possibly even sharpening -- possibly chant beginning...


This is the view of Mr Corbyn's supporters, if they stop whingeing


and complaining, some of the policies being developed in the


party would get more air time on programmes like this. That might


happen but despite -- despite this talk of unity, what does MPs will


want to see if they're practising what they preach and an end to what


has been the bullying and imitation across social media. The leadership


will make more noise on that but Labour MPs have had to have their


locks changed as security alarms installed because of this and


anti-Semitic anger from people who have supported the Corbyn. Until


they see the leadership living up to what it's talking about, they will


be very sceptical not only about the bullying but also the threats of


what they see as deselection. There are a serious differences because


there is the issue. Jeremy Corbyn is very open to things like immigration


of refugees, supports to refugees but you are seeing a lot of Labour


MPs becoming, echoing the Little England rhetoric of Ukip is talking


about trying to end free movement and stop free movement and things


like that. There are real differences there. It has to resolve


who it is speaking to, the Metropolitan people in Liverpool,


London, Bristol, or is it speaking to the disengaged as disenchanted


electorate, voters in places like Rochdale at Bolton and Sunderland?


They say revenge is a dish best served cold or better served up on


the mail on Sunday. How to read at repeated


And expose the book lifts lid on murder of betrayal over Brexit.


Boris said Lee would lose. On the inside, Boris will be crushed like a


toad. He seems to come out of this worse than anybody. Boris Johnson.


I'm not sure. I think what you see here is the anger that still


remains, the desire of some angry with what happens to them, with


Theresa May's machinations with people like Michael Gove, Boris


Johnson will stop this is then getting in quickly with their


version of history. Clearly, when you read the detail here, the anger


towards Michael Gove is extraordinary. The anger towards


Boris Johnson is in a way more than pathetic. He seems all over the


place at Carnegie 's mind up. Years the Foreign Secretary. We have wars


in Syria, and the potential of a trump presidency. He can't make up


his mind on the biggest issue of the day. Changes in mind and then joins


the campaign he says he hopes will lose. It is depressing. I am no fan


of Boris and I think ye of the ludicrous choice to be Foreign


Secretary. He is a ludicrous figure in many ways. What you are seeing


here is the anger of the race towards Theresa May as well for the


way she played the whole Brexit debates. A cholera submarine because


she kept below the surface, kept refusing to contribute and come out.


Eventually, according to this book, Cameron got so fed up that he


basically lost his temper as told to come out and say something and she


reluctantly did. We know that she got rid of my she cleared out all of


the Cameroonians from governments. What you were beginning to see is


the warring that may emerge and continue to destabilise a party with


a very slim majority for some time. To me it feels were anally like what


happens with the Blairite Father Brown nights. Whereby the Blairites


just never gave up and their campaign of attrition. It is a great


story. And will be pages more about it next week. One of the most


fascinating things is the swift anger of the Cameroonians against


Theresa May. A bit like all politicians of all colours, she was


as -- has gone on a walking holiday with her husband. Let's move on to


the Sunday Telegraph. Blair demands an end to army which aren't. This is


about alleged abuses. I have a slight problem with anything with


the word liar in the middle of it. It's hard to take seriously. His


desire to wheedle his way back into popularity. He is in typical fashion


jumping on the bandwagon. Have been a lot of stories all week in the


Daily Mail adds to a lesser extent the Telegraph, on these abuses and


the legal claims against the Army. This is Blair basically jumping on


the bandwagon and saying, I am with you, lads. There are a lot of


unresolved issues. This is a very sensitive issue. We send people to


do business abroad which involves violence, and then some people feel


these people have been let down. Whatever you think of the politics


behind it, these are people that are doing something in our name. That's


right. I think the problem is that you will have a situation where you


get no want to sign up for the military, if they think every time


they face public prosecutions. War crimes should always be taken


seriously, but the theory is that many of these are contested, but


there is now a big industry in taking these people through the


courts. Tony Blair .org in terms of saying, I don't think this process


should ever have been put in place and I'm sorry that soldiers and


families have been through through this ordeal. It's important to


remember that he does have a vested interest because there are many out


there that would like to see him prosecuted. In some ways, I'm sure


he is doing what he believes that there will be an element of him


thinking, if people start successfully prosecuting soldiers


and commanders, how long is it before I get a knock on the door?


That move onto the American election, which you cover tomorrow


night in the big debates. How to deal with Donald Trump is the Sunday


Times's take on this. It must be very difficult, how can Hillary


prepare for a debate like this? Is political theatre at its greatest. A


terrible candidate to many people question why she is the best person


to represent the Democrats, against a character, a maverick character


like Donald Trump, he was managed to upset the many people in the past.


The two of them go head-to-head for 90 minutes. The first of three


debates. They think 300 million people will watch it. More than the


Super Bowl! And is probably more entertaining. Both of them, both of


the protagonists are people that make mistakes and debates. It will


be riveting to watch. It could be win or lose. This could be the


moment one emerges as the person that is going to win. Very much so.


America shares this be borrow nature of politics where anything can


happen, any mistake could cost than in the whole contest. And purples


are probably as reliable as we have seen our polls recently. In reality,


we probably have no idea what's going to happen and it's very hard


to judge. America is even more fractured than we are. Is impossible


to predict what will happen. I have had people from both sides of the


debate, but is politicians, who has said Trump has got it in the bag.


Other people say Clinton has in the bag. Goodness knows what will


happen. Let's move on to a little bit of light relief. Stirchley come


dancing. Ed thinks straight to the Boston with his... He turned out to


lack predatory instincts. I don't know whether you saw the programme,


but Ed Balls is breaking that might at least he is brave enough to have


a go! I was hoping you wouldn't ask me. He is one of those politicians


which, someone has a different public image to his private image.


He has a rather unpopular public image but privately is a very


different character. Is a very likeable character. The hope is that


people can see he is a more rounded, nice character. Rounded might be the


wrong word! You looks like he's losing weight. You would if you were


doing this. He did very badly, really, and the judge said it was


very pedestrian, darling. I think they would have given him about five


or six points. He may not win it but he has the scope to achieve a lot.


Can you see a career in this? Not really! It's part of his political


rehabilitation. It seems to be working so far. And he was launching


his books, he said to the audience that he got those sorry for his


dance partner. He said I had never seen anything that false. I feel


sorry for her. She is doing a good job. The British people like him, we


like people who drive. Just a reminder we take a look


at tomorrow s front pages every Time for a look at the


weather with Phil Avery. I will start by showing you a couple


of weather watcher pictures which came in earlier on. There was a


chance of Sunrise further east but notice that grey shield of cloud


over the top of that C. It was obviously thick enough


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