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Tonight on This Week, the nation struggles to get

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I'm going nowhere fast, just like my TV career.

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Strike fever hits the planes, the trains and the automobiles,

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but intrepid reporter Miranda Green shows great initiative

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Come hell or high water, I've got to get to the This Week sofa.

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A doctor Saleyha Ahsan returns from an emergency trip

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She says talk of a humanitarian crisis in the NHS

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Sorry, Theresa May, but you're wrong, the NHS is facing

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a humanitarian crisis, and I see it every day

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And if the winter of discontent is getting you down, don't despair.

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Hypnotist and mind bender extraordinaire Paul McKenna will put

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I've been trying to stay upbeat but this show

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You're going the wrong way. Bloody idiot. You're going in the wrong

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direction. We're not going the wrong way. He's been on the Blue Nun.

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Andrew, help! Let me begin by wishing

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y'all a happy new year. And let me be clear,

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happy new year means happy new year. It's not my job to give

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a running commentary on 2017. It IS my job to give

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a running commentary? Well, if that's the case what's

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the point of Newsnight? we await news of the latest

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Kompromat, the salacious and compromising material

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the Kremlin has been gathering We know they've got a lot

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on our Michael, which is why he's given up his political career

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and circles the globe alone by train, like

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an Ancient Mariner on tracks. And they obviously have a lot

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on Diane because she's now a leading light in the Corbyn Project,

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which is as good a way of ending your political career

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as spending most of your life on the 06.13 milk train

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from Chipping Sod-Off Speaking of folks on the trail

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to nowhere, we're joined by two people who've got one thing

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in common with Meryl Streep. Donald Trump thinks

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they're both overrated. Chris #OhItsNotEdBalls Leslie,

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and Michael #choochoo Portillo, who made it here only because he can

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open his own doors. Your moment of the week? Well, I

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thought the resignation of Sir Ivan Rogers, our ambassador to the

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European Union. It struck me that people like him, Mandarin, who are

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accountable only through politicians to the public, have been in bedding

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us in the European Union for the last 50 years. So they are actually

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the sort of people the British people voted against in the

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referendum. But it also strongly illustrated that one of the problems

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the government has is how on earth to set about negotiating a Brexit

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using mandarins, Foreign Office officials and other departments, who

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absolutely do not believe in Brexit. It is a massive institutional

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problem. My guess is we will have two years of inconclusive

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negotiations followed by a political settlement. We shall see. Chris,

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your moment of the week? Probably the contrast between Obama's

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farewell speech in Chicago and Donald Trump's press conference in

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New York. Because you had two presidents with a very different

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message. Obama, talking about the importance of defending

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representative democracy and citizens taking their

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responsibility, and Trump sort of laying into the intelligence

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agencies, the media. Not Putin, though, who got away without

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criticism. It was quite a contrast. Shape of things to come.

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The NHS took centre stage in our political discourse this week,

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Some hospitals say they're failing to cope with demand, some NHS staff

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Experts talk of a crisis and this time we're inclined to believe them.

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We're waiting longer for ambulances, waiting longer for treatment once

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they get us to A, and resources are being stretched

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As winter shows its icy teeth, will parts of the NHS crumble under

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the pressure, or will we continue to muddle through?

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Here with her Take of the Week is A doctor and former

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As an Army officer, I felt the anxiety and pressure when deployed

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on military operations like Bosnia. Now, as a doctor working in

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emergency medicine, I frequently get that same feeling. I recently

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travelled on an aid mission to the Syrian- Turkish border, helping

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build a children's hospital. Believe me, I know what a humanitarian

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crisis is. When I heard the situation in the NHS described as

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one, I wasn't baffled or outrage, I agreed. The Red Cross description

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isn't irresponsible or overblown, as Theresa May claims. It's

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proportionate. Anyone who has had to face the anxiety of more and more

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patients rushing into resuscitation when there isn't any space will

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understand this. What are we going to do when we run out of ambulance

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space and corridor space? At least in the military they had resources

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and the will to throw at a situation. In A it feels we are

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hanging by a thread, ready to snap at any time. Yes, the NHS needs more

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funding. Yes, we need more doctors, but we also need to sort out social

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care. The last government reduced what was available in the community.

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Now, most elderly patients, when discharged from hospital, are soon

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back, trapped in a revolving door. The Health Secretary tries to

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reassure us, but he has already lost the confidence of the NHS workforce,

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and the British public might not be far behind. His position is

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untenable. Without a radical action, like any other humanitarian crisis

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this could spiral out of control and risk more lives.

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Special thanks to mayhem paint bawling in Essex for letting us

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film. Welcome. We have just managed to thaw you out in the last few

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hours. Thank you for joining us. Let's get rid of the nomenclature of

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matter. The NHS is undoubtedly being stretched, in some cases to breaking

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point, as we can see, but does it make sense, does it help the debate

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to compare it to places like Aleppo? When I first heard that news story I

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was actually on my way into a shift at 8am. I was driving in last

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Saturday from eye weekend shift. I had already been on for about three

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days and we had been rammed. Round? We were rammed. We were busy, very

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busy. I was driving in, I was still a little bit tired. I had not had

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much downtime between busy shifts. When I drove in and heard that

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headline I thought, that is about right. And I can qualify that,

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because I have worked in humanitarian situations before. So

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when I say, yes, I think it's comparatively, its comparator with

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the way it makes me feel, the feelings it evokes when we are busy,

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when resuscitation is full and the nurses are coming up to you and

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saying, which of these very sick people is the least sick, to take

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out, so we can move another one in? And she is pointing at you to make

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that decision. That is not far off some of the other situations I have

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been in. I understand what you are saying. The NHS is always in some

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sort of crisis but is this different, is it stretched in some

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places to breaking point? I find that difficult to judge and so does

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the Prime Minister. I think this comparison with a humanitarian

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crisis has been very unhelpful. I think because on the whole people

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will not believe it. I mean, you have talked about comparable

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feelings, but that is not what we think of in a humanitarian crisis.

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We think of vast numbers at imminent risk of death, starvation, being

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bombed, whatever. I think the comparison has been unhelpful and it

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gave Theresa May rather an easy time because she could say in an outraged

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way, to make this comparison is ridiculous. I can perfectly

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understand the frustration of people in the National Health Service. It

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is not just frustration, it is concerned. I can also understand the

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frustration of the government because as you say, we have been

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here so often before. The NHS was asked how much money it needed, at a

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time when there was an election and they asked for 8 billion, which the

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government came forward with. And now they are being told they cannot

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cope. The government also has a right to say, hang on, if we did

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what we were asked to do, how is it that you are not able to manage?

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Simon Stevens, the chief Executive of the NHS, went before a select

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committee. Quite amazing scenes. He was literally holding up a copy of

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the daily may and saying, basically, we are lagging behind the rest of

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Europe. This is effectively a civil servant. From my own experience in

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Nottingham, a big teaching hospital, emergency department, year after

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year we get further from this 95%, four our waiting target. The Health

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Secretary, Johnny Hunt, is saying maybe the target is wrong, but it is

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a good litmus test for the strain in the NHS. It has been abandoned in

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practice. He says he will exclude non-urgent, which is an atrocious

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way of dealing with the problem. If you can't hit the target, move the

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target. It is very stressful for a lot of people. Hospitals, it seems,

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in this particular crisis in the NHS, have become the new front line.

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People are flooding into A because they cannot get a GP appointment.

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But hospitals are also chock-a-block because social care has been cut,

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and particularly elderly patients can't be released into care.

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Absolutely. So when I come onto a shift, the first thing I do is look

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at the board. Do I have white squares that are empty on the board,

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or have all of those white squares got a name on them? And most of

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them, if it is a day when it is full, quite a few of them will have

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been patients who have been seen, accepted even the day before. We

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have to write the date and time, and it is sometimes even the day before.

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These are often people who we have been unable to move into the

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hospital itself, because the hospital is full. So many of the

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patients I have seen in the last two months, a fair proportion have been

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elderly people who have nowhere else to go, or they have been seen,

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discharged a few days before and they are back two days later. The

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NHS got what it asked for for this year, but is not getting what it

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asked for for upcoming years, which is why, per capita funding in the

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NHS is going to start to fall for the first time, really, in the NHS'

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history. There was also a 4.5 billion cut in social care which

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creates the problem of elderly people in beds in hospitals,

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probably the worst place for them in many cases, with nowhere to go. It

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seems to me, is it not indisputable that more money is required for the

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NHS and for social care? I don't know whether that is indisputable. I

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think if you were in government you would feel rather impatient that one

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demand after another is made. If I were in government I would feel very

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impatient. The man should be running the show, asked for a certain amount

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of money and was given it, then goes in front of Parliament and starts

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attacking the Prime Minister. We have just heard that one of the

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elements is that GPs, apparently, some of them are shutting surgeries

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at 3pm. What is Simon Stevens doing to manage that? Not everything can

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be decreed by a Prime Minister. I have to speak up for my GP

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colleagues. I have two sisters who are GPs. They are overrun and

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overstretched. I don't know about those shutting at 3pm, but on the

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whole they are worked to the hilt. But I thought you agreed that one of

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the problems was that GPs were not taking patients who are being

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diverted to hospitals. It is social care in the community, the whole

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spectrum. You don't always need a GP at home for some of the things we

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discharge patients for. Package of care, levels of care that we can put

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in place. That can take, that is not a quick process. It can take a bit

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of time. And until that is setup, the patients are often with us. What

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we used to have in place were convalescence homes, for example,

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community hospitals, cottage hospitals, something that is a

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stopgap between acute medical and going home.

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You have to see the thing as a whole. In the Health Service, it's

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vastly more because you have the drugs budgets going up And plus the

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demands are much from the population. That is the problem.

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What is to be done is the question. As you look around the richer

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European economies, Germany spends 11% of its GDP on health, Sweden the

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same, France about the same as well. We are more like 9.5%, but where is

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the political will to get up to that standard and what reforms will be

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demanded and where would the money come from? Personally... My guess

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would be the countries that are spending more, they are spending

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from different pockets of money. Germany, Trade Unions played an

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important part. More of an insurance? Yes. Although all money

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in the end comes from the people, there's only one sort of money, it

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really does make a difference if you have different pots from which the

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money can come. I think it's not sufficient for Simon Stevens to say

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the Germans are spending more, I think you would have to say, what

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sort of reform would enable us to get to that level of contribution.

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After all, the country in the world that spends the most on health is of

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course the United States. But you see, don't forget, a lot of that is

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administrative bureaucratic payments, the great beauty of the

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NHS is that it's getting money to the frontline. My own view is it's

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by partisanship for the cross party long-term serious grown-up politics

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about how we are going to fund social care issues, not just NHS.

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Remember, back when you were Shadow Chancellor I think you came straight

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after Gordon Brown in 2002 or around then, you had that 1% increase on

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national insurance which was actually a very popular move because

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it was ringfenced for the NHS. Now, there are some difficult decisions

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we have got to start talking about and be grown up about. A final word

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from you, is it fundamentally money or are there structural changes that

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have to be made too? What we don't need are more very expensive

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top-down reforms that cost lots of money. What we don't need or do? We

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don't need lots and lots of money going into restructuring systems.

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You have had a lot of that. We have had a lot of that and that's

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contributed to some of the situation we are in now. We are having around

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?50 million being spent on this new role of physician associates or

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whatever the half doctors they're called or whatever. What is the

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headline? Number one, listen to the workforce, we say it's akin to a

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humanitarian crisis because it is and it's not said lightly. Two,

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cross party solution. It's got to be taken out of the political point

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scoring system that it is now. We need a sensible approach and this

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means everyone in. The third one? If you do not want to be getting the

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backup of the workforce that you are relying on, so if the doctors say

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you can't stretch us across seven days, don't try to.

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Thank you for being with us. This time tomorrow I'll be two hours into

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my night shift and I hope that you are right, that we are not in a

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humanitarian crisis, I would love you to be right. Thank you very

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much. Now it's late, Moscow's

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Ritz Carlton late. But enough about watersports,

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we're all about a new-found zen Chris has stopped sticking pins

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in his Jeremy Corbyn doll For those of you now desperately

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trying to get rid of the idea of Michael in a downward dog

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position, we've got hypnotist extraordinaire Paul McKenna

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waiting in the wings. So join our sharing,

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caring cuddly society, bring us your Twitter troubles,

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heal your Facebooboos because it's 2017 and we're

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all about the snapcheer. High anticipation here at This Week

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because it's the awards season. The Golden Globes, the Baftas

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and London Men's Fashion Week, not that Michael

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takes any notice of that. Jeremy Corbyn must surely win

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an award for his starring Simon Stevens is shortlisted

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for his controversial And Mark Carney's screeching U-turns

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on the risks of Brexit in the latest Fast and Furious movie have Leavers

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goggle-eyed as they munch But we were dismayed

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when Donald Trump named Buzzfeed We really thought we had

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that one in the bag. At least Britain's back

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in the premier league Here's Miranda Green

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with her round up of the week. I've only got 17 hours to get

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to the This Week studio. As commuters battled

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through the strikes, the PM started her New Year

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by unveiling the shared It was an announcement

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on mental health services. The mental health pledge was

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overshadowed by a row about the NHS. At PMQs, Jeremy Corbyn told Mrs May

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that she was in denial. She chose to attack

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the Red Cross for calling it We've all seen humanitarian

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crises around the world, and to use that description

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of a National Health Service which last year saw 2.5 million more

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people treated in Accident Emergency than six years ago,

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was irresponsible and overblown. The Prime Minister might not

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like what the Red Cross said, but on the same day,

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the British Medical Association said conditions in hospitals

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across the country are reaching The Royal College of Nursing

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has said NHS conditions The Royal College of Physicians has

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told the Prime Minister the NHS is underfunded,

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under doctored and overstretched. If she won't listen to the Red

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Cross, who will she listen to? Maybe the shared society

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means sharing hospital May retorted, you can't fund health

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and social without a strong economy. As the long, long journey

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towards Brexit continues, debate rages over how to read

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the economy's vital signs. And Mrs May confirmed that leaving

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the EU will mean an end I've consistently said

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that the referendum vote was a vote for us to change that freedom

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of movement, was a vote for us to bring control

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into our immigration system for people coming from

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the European Union. There's a variety of ways

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in which that can be done but I'm clear that that is part

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of what we need to deliver. The Labour leader also seemed

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to travel a long way from his original support

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for untrammelled EU immigration. At least, that's what he

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might have been saying. No one, not even his

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MPs, was quite sure. We are not wedded to free movement

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from the EU as a point of principle but I don't

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want to be misinterpreted. The Transport Secretary was pictured

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with some of the poor, Commuters, that is,

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battling along the concourse We need to stop these strikes and

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stop disrupting passengers' lives. There are lots of things to sort out

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on this railway but we can't do that while they are on strike and working

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to rule almost every day. Labour blamed the rail operator,

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and Jeremy Corbyn told the BBC he'd happily join the strikers,

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unlike the Labour Mayor Would you join the Southern

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Rail picket line? Yes, I would, because I think

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Southern Rail have behaved Right, never mind the trains,

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let's try the tube. Those Uber bosses

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must be raking it in. The President-elect had a few other

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inconveniences on his mind, namely allegations that Russia

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is holding compromising Mr Trump chose to attack America's

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spies as possible sources That nonsense that was released

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by maybe the intelligence agencies, who knows, but maybe

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the intelligence agencies, which would be a tremendous

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blot on their record, if they in fact did that,

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tremendous blot, because a thing like that should never

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have been written. It should never have been had

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and it should certainly Can you get me to

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Westminster, Dobbin? But there was no deal

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in Northern Ireland where Sinn Fein's Martin McGuinness

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resigned over a scandal involving the DUP First

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Minister, Arlene Foster. We in Sinn Fein will not

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tolerate the arrogance Sinn Fein wants equality

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and respect for everyone. That is what this

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process must be about. The sky's looking clouded,

:26:50.:27:00.

the horizon's bleak and Dobbin Miranda made it! But the horse

:27:01.:27:26.

didn't. Welcome. Michael, the Prime Minister gave a New Year interview

:27:27.:27:29.

at the weekend, traditional one, not on the BBC this time. Are we nigh

:27:30.:27:35.

the wiser what Brexit will look like -- are we any the wiser. Yes, I

:27:36.:27:39.

think we are. It seems to me that for as long as the European Union

:27:40.:27:43.

holds to the idea that free movement of people is fundamental, then we'll

:27:44.:27:47.

not be in the single market. I don't think we'd want to be in the customs

:27:48.:27:51.

union because that restricts the deals we can do with the outside

:27:52.:27:55.

world, and then I think that leaves the question that if we are outside

:27:56.:27:59.

the single market and the customs union, will the European Union want

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to put up tariff barriers against their own trade into Britain and our

:28:04.:28:06.

trade out of Britain into the European Union. That will take a

:28:07.:28:10.

couple of years to resolve. How do you know though, she didn't say much

:28:11.:28:14.

of that, did she? Well, I think she has. When she first said Brexit

:28:15.:28:19.

meant Brexit, I think she meant there wasn't going to be a second

:28:20.:28:23.

referendum and secondly, she was obliged to come back from the

:28:24.:28:28.

negotiations with Parliamentary sovereignty restored and in

:28:29.:28:30.

particular, that would mean control of the borders. So if our European

:28:31.:28:35.

Union partners insist that free movement of people is a condition of

:28:36.:28:39.

being part of the single market, then part of the single market we

:28:40.:28:44.

cannot be. She's glifring a major speech on Brexit on Tuesday --

:28:45.:28:49.

delivering. I'm told they are having trouble getting to the first draft,

:28:50.:28:53.

it's Thursday. Reassuring. Surely she has to give us some idea in this

:28:54.:28:59.

speech of what Brexit would look like in her mind? I think that's

:29:00.:29:03.

right. But I think actually we did edge clearer, as Michael was saying,

:29:04.:29:09.

in her Sunday interview. On the single market? Versus freedom of

:29:10.:29:16.

movement, also her mood music, if you look at all her speeches since

:29:17.:29:21.

becoming PM and at the Home Office, it's clear that she thinks a

:29:22.:29:31.

compromise that we put on... Political mistake. So we are out of

:29:32.:29:37.

the single market in terms of membership, but we seek as wide an

:29:38.:29:43.

access as we can get. We don't think we are out of the customs union? No,

:29:44.:29:48.

and Philip Hammond having been in Germany this week trying to reassure

:29:49.:29:52.

the Germans that Britain wants to make sure that Brexit doesn't damage

:29:53.:29:55.

the rest of the EU economy and if it's all done in as friendly and

:29:56.:29:59.

mutually agreeable way as possible and also of course this week we had

:30:00.:30:03.

the rather interesting intervention from Mark Carney changing his tone

:30:04.:30:08.

quite a lot on Brexit and no longer being the major risk to the British

:30:09.:30:14.

economy. The U-turn introductions like fast and furious. Absolutely

:30:15.:30:17.

there. 'S been change so people will need to clarify things. The

:30:18.:30:20.

Government expects to lose its appeal I suspect to the Supreme

:30:21.:30:24.

Court, meaning that Parliament will have to trigger Article 50. Is there

:30:25.:30:26.

any doubt that it will? Well, I think most MPs want to

:30:27.:30:36.

respect the result of the referendum but that does not mean this isn't a

:30:37.:30:41.

moment to make sure we do not go careering off the cliff edge in

:30:42.:30:47.

April 2000 19. I think the point of the Article 50 legislation is a

:30:48.:30:55.

series of legitimate amendments to be discussed, just to ensure that

:30:56.:30:58.

the government are doing the right thing in terms of tariff - free

:30:59.:31:04.

access to the single market. The government would want that but may

:31:05.:31:09.

not be able to negotiate it. We are about to trigger this thing where we

:31:10.:31:13.

have no idea about what the objectives of the government should

:31:14.:31:17.

be. For example, I think there should be a clear objective of

:31:18.:31:23.

getting a transitional period. The head of the stock exchange yesterday

:31:24.:31:27.

was talking about five years because you need that business certainty,

:31:28.:31:30.

rather than just falling off that age. I am already thinking about the

:31:31.:31:39.

series of amendments that could be viable. This is something where

:31:40.:31:44.

there are different views across different parties. Could go on

:31:45.:31:48.

forever, could be another Maastricht Treaty. I doubt it. I think the

:31:49.:31:53.

clause bill to trigger Article 50 will move through both houses fairly

:31:54.:31:56.

swiftly because in the end Labour MPs do not want to be in a position

:31:57.:32:01.

where they could be accused by constituents, who mainly voted to

:32:02.:32:04.

leave, of trying to sabotage the whole thing. When it gets to the

:32:05.:32:08.

House of Lords, the Lords will not want to be in a position where the

:32:09.:32:13.

government creates a number of Tory peers necessary carry the

:32:14.:32:16.

legislation, which almost certainly could not be done without having a

:32:17.:32:19.

another general election, in which the Labour Party would be

:32:20.:32:26.

annihilated. One thing which will concern Mrs May is the crisis in the

:32:27.:32:31.

NHS and the other is the strikes, particularly if you live in London

:32:32.:32:34.

and the south of England. These are two challengers the Prime Minister

:32:35.:32:37.

faces, crisis NHS, crippling transport strikes. What is the

:32:38.:32:42.

evidence that she has any clue what to do about either? I think that

:32:43.:32:47.

governments generally muddle through the NHS chaos each winter. They

:32:48.:32:53.

somehow come out the other side and then the cycle is repeated the

:32:54.:32:57.

following year. She might not be right to think that is what is going

:32:58.:33:01.

to happen, but it may be what is going to happen, and it might be

:33:02.:33:06.

what the government strategy is. As for the strikes, I think the

:33:07.:33:11.

government absolutely has to win this. I know it is a dispute between

:33:12.:33:15.

management and unions but obviously the government is on the side of the

:33:16.:33:18.

management and believes the union is behaving irresponsibly. And there,

:33:19.:33:24.

at some point the government may have to take action. But we don't

:33:25.:33:32.

yet know. Labour has had U-turns on pay caps and free movement this

:33:33.:33:35.

week, both of them in the space of 12 hours. It is quite hard to keep

:33:36.:33:41.

up with it, if you are a journalist. Have mainstream Labour MPs like

:33:42.:33:45.

yourself decided to let Corbyn be Corbyn and not influence what he

:33:46.:33:52.

says, just let him get on with it? There was a relaunch. Jeremy was

:33:53.:33:57.

being Jeremy, as you say, and that is kind of what we got this week.

:33:58.:34:03.

The thing is, I think a lot of Labour MPs have spotted Theresa May

:34:04.:34:08.

Bosz complete failure to grasp the seriousness of the NHS crisis and we

:34:09.:34:12.

are very keen that that should be our primary area of focus so there

:34:13.:34:15.

is exhaust rate when sometimes things get diverted, the

:34:16.:34:22.

spokesperson goes off talking about Nato or whatever. But have you

:34:23.:34:26.

decided to let him call the shots, wherever it leads your party, you

:34:27.:34:30.

did not want him elected and tried to get him unelected, that failed.

:34:31.:34:36.

Now, if he wants to talk about caps, saying it is wrong to put British

:34:37.:34:40.

troops in Eastern Europe, is it just, let him get on with it?

:34:41.:34:45.

Because it seems to me that is now your strategy. I think a lot of

:34:46.:34:50.

Labour MPs recognise that members have made their decision and so it

:34:51.:34:53.

is for the leader to lead and take responsibility for his views and to

:34:54.:34:56.

answer what he thinks on pay caps and so forth. But where there are

:34:57.:35:02.

things that need to be said, a lot of Labour MPs will not be afraid to

:35:03.:35:08.

say that. For example, on high pay issues, whilst of course there is a

:35:09.:35:14.

problem, and a lot worse since the FTSE 100 Chief Executive is up 30%

:35:15.:35:19.

since 2010, but I personally think it is better to go down the

:35:20.:35:23.

progressive taxation discussion and have an evidence led approach,

:35:24.:35:27.

rather than necessarily dreaming up a random cap. Let me finish on the

:35:28.:35:33.

gift that keeps on giving, Mr Trump. Instead of cowering before the

:35:34.:35:37.

media, or trying to conciliate it, which most politicians do, Donald

:35:38.:35:42.

Trump just thumps the media on the nose when it offends him. Could this

:35:43.:35:49.

catch on? Maybe. I hope not. Other politicians might think this is the

:35:50.:35:56.

way to do it. Watch it! I would hope that maybe journalists in Washington

:35:57.:36:00.

would become braver in backing each other up. At the press conference

:36:01.:36:04.

there was a suggestion on Twitter which I thought was excellent which

:36:05.:36:07.

is that if he refuses to answer questions from one news

:36:08.:36:11.

organisation, everyone else asks the same question, giving him nowhere to

:36:12.:36:17.

run. That is like herding cats. Yes, but they could have a go. It is very

:36:18.:36:24.

clever what he does. I think it is extremely clever and very

:36:25.:36:27.

sophisticated because he basically lets people understand that any

:36:28.:36:30.

emanation from any media organisation is the same and not to

:36:31.:36:34.

be trusted. You muddy the waters to an extent where people don't

:36:35.:36:40.

believe... We do not know the status of these allegations, but even

:36:41.:36:44.

legitimate criticisms then have no weight. If it works, it will catch

:36:45.:36:49.

on, so we will watch out for ourselves. Miranda, thank you.

:36:50.:36:51.

No, I'm not taking up wakeboarding or scuba diving or any other

:36:52.:36:57.

My New Year's resolution is to make this failing pile of garbage

:36:58.:37:01.

So it's out with the snowflake naysayers who ran This Week's

:37:02.:37:06.

And in with an upbeat production team, family,

:37:07.:37:10.

friends and sycophants who I can really trust.

:37:11.:37:12.

Who else but the young, talented Ms Iris Bailey?!

:37:13.:37:22.

We will be the greatest TV producers God ever created.

:37:23.:37:25.

That's why we're putting positivity in this week's spotlight.

:37:26.:37:39.

Are you, like our Home Secretary, struggling to stride

:37:40.:37:41.

Why not follow the Prime Minister's confident lead?

:37:42.:37:51.

This Government has a plan, not simply to manage our withdrawal

:37:52.:37:55.

from the European Union, but to take this opportunity

:37:56.:37:57.

to fundamentally change Britain for the better.

:37:58.:38:03.

Even President Obama was upbeat about the future as he bid

:38:04.:38:05.

And that's why I leave this stage tonight even more

:38:06.:38:11.

optimistic about this country than when we started.

:38:12.:38:16.

He wasn't as positive as his successor on Wednesday.

:38:17.:38:22.

I will be the greatest jobs producer that God ever

:38:23.:38:26.

created and I mean that, I'm going to work very hard.

:38:27.:38:31.

Thank you Donald and welcome everybody to the first

:38:32.:38:33.

Not everyone is rosy about the year ahead.

:38:34.:38:36.

Nigel Farage thinks Mrs May might botch Brexit.

:38:37.:38:41.

I honestly don't see this Prime Minister has got the energy,

:38:42.:38:44.

I'm worried and I fear a very frustrating 2017.

:38:45.:38:53.

Over in La La Land, Meryl Streep's miserable about Mr Trump.

:38:54.:38:58.

So Hollywood is crawling with outsiders and foreigners

:38:59.:39:00.

and if we kick 'em all out, you'll have nothing to watch

:39:01.:39:03.

Paul McKenna, you're a self-help guru.

:39:04.:39:11.

Have you got any words to cheer up the This Week team?

:39:12.:39:13.

How dare you even think you can compete with me,

:39:14.:39:18.

And Paul McKenna joins us now. Welcome to the programme. Are you

:39:19.:39:38.

feeling positive about 2017? Actually, I am. I am feeling

:39:39.:39:42.

positive generally. I have had some challengers over the last few years

:39:43.:39:46.

but had a lot of good things happen. I recently got married. I had been

:39:47.:39:51.

living in the United States but decided to relocate here. I have a

:39:52.:39:56.

number of projects lined up for the year. I have been boring myself on

:39:57.:40:02.

radio and television with my new book, which is about getting control

:40:03.:40:09.

of sugar. I am passionate about that because I believe it is important.

:40:10.:40:15.

So you are in a positive state of mind, but are you positive because

:40:16.:40:20.

good things are happening, what around you makes you positive, or

:40:21.:40:24.

can you just have a state of mind that is positive whatever is

:40:25.:40:29.

happening? What we find from research is that people have a

:40:30.:40:33.

perceptual filter, or a reality tunnel, a way of looking at the

:40:34.:40:38.

world. Some people, because of their upbringing, possibly their genetics,

:40:39.:40:42.

they are naturally more positive than others. Some people have a

:40:43.:40:46.

tendency to be depressed and that can be again a chemical imbalance in

:40:47.:40:51.

the brain, or just unfortunate and terrible things that happened

:40:52.:40:57.

earlier in life. When I became interested in self-improvement it

:40:58.:41:00.

was because I wasn't feeling good about myself. I remember there was

:41:01.:41:06.

one day in particular, I was sent to interview the local hypnotist when I

:41:07.:41:10.

was working in radio. I was interested in yoga and meditation

:41:11.:41:14.

but I was sceptical. I had broken up with my girlfriend, people were

:41:15.:41:17.

keeping me awake at night, I had a row with my boss, one of those days.

:41:18.:41:25.

I sat down and he said, I am not going to interview you, I'm going to

:41:26.:41:28.

hypnotise you because you look worn out and stressed. I said, let the

:41:29.:41:32.

healing begin. I was benevolently sceptical about half an hour later I

:41:33.:41:36.

felt less burden and very optimistic about the future. I said, have you

:41:37.:41:42.

got any books on this. I went away and read them and my life changed.

:41:43.:41:49.

Are you in a positive frame of mind? Me? I have my moments. I think part

:41:50.:41:57.

of positivity is having a go and working towards it. And you can

:41:58.:42:07.

reach it if you work hard. As a Labour MP, contributing to the

:42:08.:42:11.

community helps keep you positive. Are you a positive state of mind

:42:12.:42:18.

chap? I am. I have a wonderful life. I have a to reflect career. What I

:42:19.:42:25.

do for a living, which is basically travelling by train, which you make

:42:26.:42:29.

fun of in every programme, it is so much fun. It is free publicity for

:42:30.:42:39.

you. Do I get a free drink from it? Never. That is why I am not

:42:40.:42:43.

positive. I would like to be but there is never any payback. I think

:42:44.:42:47.

Paul is going to make you even more positive and feel even more

:42:48.:42:51.

wonderful. Are you going to move over there? I get asked this a lot.

:42:52.:42:57.

People say, what is the one thing that will turn the round? Not just

:42:58.:43:04.

people who are down. Many people I work with are already high

:43:05.:43:10.

achievers. They say, I want to feel even better. OK, so what we are

:43:11.:43:15.

going to do is very simple. It comes in three stages. We are going to

:43:16.:43:19.

clean up anything from the past. No details, keep it private, anything

:43:20.:43:23.

that might be holding you back or was majorly upsetting. Then, I'm

:43:24.:43:29.

going to get in touch with your values, what is important to you,

:43:30.:43:33.

and then we will lock in some things you would like to have happen in

:43:34.:43:37.

2017 and put them in your mind in a way that makes them feel tangible,

:43:38.:43:41.

so that you suddenly feel more optimistic and driven. OK.

:43:42.:43:48.

Brilliant. OK, think about something, don't tell me what, think

:43:49.:43:52.

about anything that holds you back, any particular series of events.

:43:53.:43:57.

Close your eyes and tell me when you have located that. I've got it. On a

:43:58.:44:05.

scale of one to ten, how bad? Three. I need something much bigger. I'm

:44:06.:44:12.

not sure I have something much bigger. How high? I will give you

:44:13.:44:19.

six. I will reach over and touch the side of your arms. I would like you

:44:20.:44:22.

to clear your mind and stop thinking about that and imagine we are

:44:23.:44:28.

walking on a beach. By touching your arms, it releases more delta waves

:44:29.:44:33.

in your brain. I would like you to count out loud with each footstep as

:44:34.:44:37.

you walk on the beach. One, two, three...

:44:38.:44:48.

I know this looks unusual. Scientific procedure. 15, 16, 17,

:44:49.:44:59.

18... Feeling the surf. With your eyes closed, keep your head still,

:45:00.:45:03.

move your eyes laterally to the left, to the right, to the left, to

:45:04.:45:07.

the right, to the left, to the right, to the left, to the right.

:45:08.:45:11.

Then what I would like you to do is just think about something you love

:45:12.:45:16.

to do, something like playing a musical instrument or listening to

:45:17.:45:20.

music or going to the theatre or watching a film, something like

:45:21.:45:23.

that. What is one of your greatest hobbies or interests? I like

:45:24.:45:28.

travelling by train. Yes! And meeting interesting people.

:45:29.:45:32.

What is it about travelling by train that makes you feel so good? It's so

:45:33.:45:37.

enjoyable and interesting. We'll stop and relax and come on back up.

:45:38.:45:42.

When you think about that time, whatever it was, does it seem the

:45:43.:45:50.

same or does it seem less important? I just feel marvellous thank you

:45:51.:45:54.

very much, Paul. This is the first part. Great. The next thing is, I

:45:55.:45:57.

would like you to close your eyes and if it's OK, in your imagination,

:45:58.:46:05.

because I want to illicit your deepest values. Go to near the end

:46:06.:46:09.

of your life and imagine you've had a wonderful life as indeed you said

:46:10.:46:14.

you have earlier, but it's gotten even better than you thought. I

:46:15.:46:18.

would like you to, looking back if you are OK with it, tell me what

:46:19.:46:22.

made your life so good. Friends and family or career opportunities or

:46:23.:46:26.

doing things you like? Tell me about it? It was the enjoyment of great

:46:27.:46:32.

health and great friendship and terrific times. Great. If you could

:46:33.:46:45.

give any advice to the you of the future, what would you say? Keep

:46:46.:46:49.

everything in proportion. Great. Come back from this moment in time

:46:50.:46:53.

now and I would like you to do one last thing in your imagination.

:46:54.:46:58.

Imagine it's a year from now and... You've had the best year you've ever

:46:59.:47:04.

had. Yes. If that's true, what must have happened in the major areas of

:47:05.:47:09.

your life in your career, relationships, health, hobbies and

:47:10.:47:14.

interests, in every area of your life, in maybe the spiritual side of

:47:15.:47:19.

it, any area? Well, it was another lovely year of rail travel and

:47:20.:47:23.

appearing here with Andrew week after week. Great. And everyone I

:47:24.:47:28.

knew was just kind of very healthy and very fit. OK. Close your eyes

:47:29.:47:35.

now and make a big bright picture of you having had a great year and put

:47:36.:47:40.

it out there a year from now in your mind and then notice the events that

:47:41.:47:44.

happened before that all the way back to here and now. Good. Then

:47:45.:47:48.

brighten up the pictures. There you go, sorry about that, a little too

:47:49.:47:53.

strong. Brighten up the pictures, rich, bright and bold. When you look

:47:54.:47:57.

at 2017, how good do you feel? I feel fantastic!

:47:58.:48:05.

LAUGHTER. As bright as Andrew's tie. I feel good. I feel great, thank

:48:06.:48:10.

you, Paul. You are very welcome. Thank you for letting me demonstrate

:48:11.:48:16.

my techniques. Lovely, my arms feel floaty. It's the Delta waves. I knew

:48:17.:48:22.

it must be. Do you wish you had been up there, Chris? I'm feeling left

:48:23.:48:28.

out. When he said it was a great year, I thought they were going to

:48:29.:48:37.

play his journey on the train again. Things can only get better. That's

:48:38.:48:42.

my theme tune as well. When my new life began. We'll stop on a high.

:48:43.:48:46.

Paul, thank you very much for doing the best you could with Mr Portillo.

:48:47.:48:50.

That's your lot. That's your lot for tonight folks,

:48:51.:48:57.

but not for us, we're off to LouLou's for Donald Trump's

:48:58.:49:00.

amazing and tremendously It will be a golden opportunity

:49:01.:49:01.

for the President Elect Let's face it, the Donald deserves

:49:02.:49:05.

a break from the steady flow of vile personal attacks coming

:49:06.:49:10.

from fake news pedlars. Peeotus assures us it will be

:49:11.:49:12.

the greatest, yugest, bestest, bigly celebration

:49:13.:49:14.

of all the greatness that a Trump Presidency

:49:15.:49:16.

will bring to Amercia. God can take the next four years

:49:17.:49:21.

off, Donnie's in the White House. Nighty nighty, don't let

:49:22.:49:24.

the fake news haters bite. If Putin likes Donald Trump, guess

:49:25.:49:29.

what, folks, that's called an asset, Russia will have much greater

:49:30.:49:33.

respect for our country when I'm leading it than when other

:49:34.:49:38.

people have led it. Those states are going

:49:39.:49:42.

to have a lot of jobs, a lot of security, a lot of good

:49:43.:49:45.

news for their veterans. I watched yesterday, as you know,

:49:46.:49:49.

our great senator, who is going to be a great

:49:50.:49:53.

Attorney General. I think we have one of the great

:49:54.:49:57.

cabinets ever put together. You're going to be very proud of

:49:58.:50:01.

what we put forth, We're going to get those costs way

:50:02.:50:05.

down and we're going to get the plane to be even better,

:50:06.:50:11.

and we're going to have some competition and it's

:50:12.:50:15.

going to be a beautiful thing. So many incredible

:50:16.:50:17.

people coming here. They are going to do

:50:18.:50:18.

tremendous things, So there's a great spirit

:50:19.:50:20.

going on right now, a spirit that many people

:50:21.:50:25.

have told me they've We're going to have a very,

:50:26.:50:28.

very elegant day. The 20th is going to be something

:50:29.:50:33.

that will be And I think we're going

:50:34.:50:36.

to have massive crowds # Clap along if you feel

:50:37.:50:41.

like a room without a roof # Clap along if you feel that

:50:42.:50:47.

happiness is the truth.#

:50:48.:50:54.

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