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have hit the centre of the Indonesian capital Jakarta.

Gunfire has been heard and bodies have been seen lying on the streets.

There seems to be a body lying in the middle of the street who police

say is either the victim or the suicide bomber that carried out the

attack. Police say the situation

is now under control. We'll bring you the latest

on this developing story Also ahead; the world of athletics

is bracing itself for another report which is expected to reveal

"unbelievable" levels of corruption And why the NHS, prison service,

police and teachers all need urgent reform and training in how to deal

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Victoria Derbyshire. First this morning, at least seven

people are dead after a series of large explosions and gun

attacks in the centre Five of those killed

are reported to be attackers. Security forces say they are now

in control of the situation. The assault began mid-morning

in Indonesia about five hours ago with a massive blast outside

a United Nations building, followed by about half

a dozen other explosions, including at a Starbucks

cafe and at a cinema. There is no indication yet

of who might be behind the attacks. This is what some have been telling

the BBC in the past few hours. I'm at the intersection at the

central business district in Jakarta where an explosion, at least two

explosions from taken place a couple of hours ago now. One hit a small

police post at the small intersection and the other seems to

have hit a Starbucks cafe. The impact from the explosion's

completely destroyed the cafe. There's debris everywhere and

shattered glass. There seems to be a body lying in the middle of the

street who police say is either the victim or the suicide bomber that

carried out the attack. The security presence is, you know, there are

hundreds of armed police, there's military bomb squads, there's

snipers here around the building and at the intersection. There are

Armoured trucks. I recently spoke to the Chief of the National

Intelligence agency who told me this was definitely terrorism but that

there are no indications yet that this is related at all to Islamic

state. According to police, at least five or six attackers, terrorists.

They're terrorists who throw a bomb and some snipers from the terrorists

and also there are at least six explosions in the located incident.

There's been rumours in Jakarta that there are some explosions in other

parts of the cities but the police have denied that. Only in central

Jakarta near the department store. But police have been trying to warn

the people to be more careful because they might be putting some

bombs around the area, in the Jakarta area. The first thing we

heard was about 10. 45, there was an explosion. We looked out the windows

and saw the police posts near this building had been blown up. There

were three bodies on the roadway, I'm sure you have seen the photos of

that, and that was a bit scary. Shortly afterward, there was a

series of explosions which I think may have been grenade blasts but I

don't know, but there were explosions actually in this building

and the building shook a little bit. I understand they were on the ground

floor of the building, there was a Starbucks cafe. I didn't see that

happen, of course, but we certainly felt it and they were quite loud.

Then we made our way gradually downstairs through emergency exits

and, on the way, at various points, we could hear what sounded like

gunfire or small explosions of some kind. Every now and then, a bunch of

security police with sub-machine-guns and the like

wandered in here and out again. There are lots of people around

who're ready and willing to protect us, but there are no obvious signs

of activity going on. I can tell at least.

We'll keep you updated on that throughout the programme. The latest

from the Indonesian Police, they are saying the attackers in Jakarta

imitated the attacks in Paris. They are saying the situation is under

control. We'll keep you updated as we get any more.

The world athletics governing body, the IAAF, is braced for further

The World Anti-Doping Agency is revealing another report

into the doping and corruption scandal - and it's not expected

Its first report, in November, led to Russia being suspended

Back in August, the World Anti-Doping Agency or WADA,

launched an urgent investigation after claims were made

about widespread doping in international athletics.

The Sunday Times and a German broadcaster claimed hundreds

of medal-winning athletes had suspicious blood test results.

On top of that, they alleged the results weren't followed up

by the International Association of Athletics Federations,

The files were examined by two of the world's

Values in the database, there is no question in my mind that athletics

World Championships and Olympic events have been contaminated by

doping. Some results were simply grotesque in their extremity and

quite easily the worst I've ever seen.

There were a series of damning revelations.

Not only did they find what they called "state-sponsored"

doping amongst Russian athletes, but also that the London 2012

Olympics was "sabotaged" by "widespread inaction"

against athletes with suspicious doping profiles.

Here is a bit more on part 1 of the WADA Report.

It's worse than we thought. It has the effect of affecting the results

on the field of play and athletes are both in Russia and abroad are

suffering as a result of that. I was devastated. Shocked at the

level and depth and the audacity really that people thought they

could get away with this and that they have got away with it for so

long. Angry on behalf of my sport, at the damage that has been done to

athletics by this and I really do think that action has to be taken.

In the aftermath of the report's release,

The council has voted to suspend the from competing in international

The council has voted to suspend the Russian Federation. It's done so by

22-1 votes, the strongest sanction that we could apply tonight and it

is why our council has sent such a strong message. So the Russians were

banned but the Spotlight began to shift to the IAAF and the pressure

on Lord Coe increased. There are no claims of corruption

against him, but there are growing allegations of a cover up

within his organisation. One of Lord Coe's close colleagues,

Nick Davies, stepped aside in December after the BBC saw

an internal email from the IAAF which showed a plan to delay naming

Russian drugs cheats in the run up to Moscow's 2013

World Championships. Davies says he hasn't done anything

wrong but says doesn't Here's what our Sports Editor,

Dan Roan, said at the time: It was laid out in an e-mail before

the event by the IAAF's deputy secretary, until tonight the right

hand man of President Lord Coe, although there is no suggestion he

was aware of the proposal. Writing to former consultant, son of the

former President, Davies said: Davies also suggested using the

political influence of Coe, then Vice-President, and his marketing

company CSM for an unofficial PR campaign to stop what he called

planned attacks on Russia by the British media.

It is a damning blow to the credibility of the organisation.

That's really shocking because, what the IAAF should have been doing is

saying, if we know people are cheating, we are going to get them,

expose them and make sure they don't compete, that's our prime job, not

worrying about the PR strategy for trying to make sure the stories

don't come out in the first place. And today's report is expected

to look more closely Senior figures are likely to be

criticised in a further blow There've been no allegations

against Lord Coe, but questions are sure to be asked over

whether he's the person to clean Jamie Baulch was part of the British

4 x 100 metres relay side who who were denied a gold

at the 1997 World Athletics They were upgraded 13 years later

when it emerged that one of the US We are told unbelievable levels of

corruption in the sports governing body will be revealed. What are you

anticipating? Well, yes, I think it's a very sad state of affairs for

people like me and the rest of the sport and people who love athletics.

It's obviously brown envelopes going left and right and it makes me sick

because people like me get affected by it, livelihoods get changed and I

just think it needs to be exposed and out there.

How do you feel as this is emerging? Is it reassuring you that it's being

looked at or further undermining your trust? I've lost a lot of

respect and trust for the sport, you know. I'm actually happy I've

retired and I'm out of the it, to be honest because, watching it now,

it's very saddening. My thoughts are, basically, if you can, you

know, I blame the people who are the sponsors because it's all about

money and greened at the end of the day and if sponsors like Nike didn't

endorse people like Justin Gatland and paid these people who've done

injustice, I think the system would be a lot better. Obviously a very

injustice, I think the system would complex picture and it's all

allegations at this stage, but do you feel that a grip is being got?

Yes. I think we are slowly getting there, due to the fact that we are

talking about it right now and I just hope that Lord Coe can change

it. I hope what he did for the Olympics four years ago was

fantastic and he can do a brilliant job now, I'm hoping he can, it's a

lot of pressure on the guy and I wouldn't want to be in his shoes

right now. You have been directly impacted on by people that you were

competing against, having taken drugs, a medal was subsequently

given to you but many years later. What impact does it have on someone

like you and others who feel that you have lost out when you've

trained cleanly and honestly? Well, you know, for me, I did this sport

when I started, when I was 11 because I love running. When you get

very good at it, you start getting paid which is fantastic and you want

to get medals and achieve and make your parents and family proud of

you. When you miss out on a world gold medal or Olympic gold medal,

there's the limitations, the damage limitation, you could be talking

about a million pounds of revenue from a silver to a gold and it's not

just about that, it's very saddening. There's people who've

come forward on the rostrum got upgraded to third. Having that

wonderful moment in history is gone which is a shame.

There's still a long way to go before transgender people get

equal treatment in the UK - that's the finding of a new report.

And reports keep coming den of reports of sexual assault against

men on New Year's Eve. We will hear from two British teenagers who said

they were targeted in Paris. At least seven people are killed

in a series of large explosions and gunfire in the heart

of Indonesia's capital, The authorities said the attackers

were copying terror actions in Paris last year. They said they believe

there were at least seven attackers, including suicide bombers, and five

of them are among the dead. Hywel Davies is in Jakarta and works

in an office block close Tell us what you saw and heard? I'm

about 150 metres away from the scene of the explosion. We started to get

initial reports, it sounded like fireworks, we didn't pay too much

attention, five, six, seven what sounded like small explosions but

then reports started to come through on social media, police arrived in

the area, some sort of incident started to unfold. My understanding,

being close to the scene and the Indonesian people but I'm with, it

does sound like they've targeted a small police outpost in the centre

of Jakarta. There is a very big roundabout in the centre of the city

which is surrounded by a number of exclusive 5-star hotels and office

buildings, and there is a small police outpost on the edge of that,

and it sounds as though the initial blasts were at that roundabout, at

that police outpost. There is a Starbucks cafe opposite that police

outpost and it sounds like there were a couple of blasts there as

well. Some reports that the Starbucks was targeted and then they

targeted the police outpost but the understanding here is that it was

the police in Jakarta which have been targeted and that it was pure

colour incidents that Starbucks was very close by. -- pure coincidence.

It wasn't concerning as much initially from the blasts because

the blasts themselves, the rumour was that they were quite small. The

concerning factor was when our office was put into lockdown, the

reports of gunfire, various office was put into lockdown, the

of attackers fleeing the scene on motorbikes with automatic weapons,

and that was the most concerning factor. From what we understand it

is under control now. The roads heading into Jakarta have been

closed, they are completely free of traffic, which is quite a strange

situation in itself because normally the city is so busy, but slowly but

surely things do seem to be coming back to normal here. There is quite

a lot of misunderstanding. People here in Jakarta are still not that

clear as to what went on. Thank you very much. Just to let you know the

latest report coming through from AFP from the police in Jakarta is

that they are saying they believed a group affiliated to a local group

affiliated to Islamic State is feared to have carried out the

attacks, copying the attacks in Paris last November. We will keep

you updated. Here in the UK, hundreds more police

officers are to carry guns and double the number of armed

vehicles in London to respond Five people, including a woman

and a baby, are killed in a car bomb attack at the police

headquarters of a Turkish town. 40 were injured.

Could films like The Revenant or Carol be in line for an Oscar? Later

today we will find out who has been nominated to win in the 88 Academy

Awards in Los Angeles. Let's catch up with all the sport

now and join Will Perry. And England are playing

South Africa in the third Test. England's third test against a

bigger under way in Dallas by, the hosts won the toss and decided to

bat, probably because they did not have a wicketkeeper. Quinton de Kock

apparently fell over at home last night, he is ruled out, they have

flowed in Dane Vilas from Port Elizabeth, he arrived in the last 20

minutes or so. South Africa 40 without loss, England 1-0 up in the

series so far. Wins the Leicester, Stoke and

Sunderland in the Premier League Darts lied. Arsenal's lead at the

top cut after an incredible 3-3 draw at Liverpool, many calling that the

game of the season so far. And the world anti-doping agency

will repeat a real -- will release a report at TPM this afternoon

claiming there was no way members of the IAAF, including Sceptre, the

current president, could have been aware of the extent of doping.

And Naomi Brodie has gone out of qualifying in Australia, Dan Evans

inaction now, James qualifying in Australia, Dan Evans

We will keep you up to date. The NHS, prison service,

police and teachers all need urgent reform and training in how to deal

with transgender people. That's one of the findings

of the first parliamentary report into the issue by the Commons Women

and Equalities Committee. It is now asking the Government

to draw up a new strategy to tackle the problem within

the next six months. The report says that transgender

people still experience high levels of transphobia on a daily basis

and that the NHS is "failing in its legal duty" to provide equal

access to services and guarantee zero tolerance of

transphobic behaviour. It calls for police officers to have

mandatory training for dealing And for transgender people

to have the choice of an X on their passport instead

of male or female. Our reporter Jim Reed has been

looking at some of the issues I felt uncomfortable around girls

because I saw something in them that I liked and that I identified with,

and I didn't feel comfortable around guys because...

such pressure to be masculine. I was literally waiting for three

years to speak to somebody about this and I thought,

"I might not even be here in three The gender recognition process,

as it is currently, It's unnecessary and you're

being judged by other people, you're having other people

look at you and say, "Well, I agree with you

on what you identify as." For the first time, MPs have

actually listened to trans people The only thing that I'm concerned

about is whether MPs are going to take the report

and they're actually going to run with it and they're actually

going to make sure that all the stuff gets into law

and this actually happens. Let's go live to the Conservative MP

Maria Miller who's behind the report Thank you for joining us. What

surprised you the most about this issue? We took evidence from more

than 260 people and organisations for our inquiry, the first from the

new Women And Equalities Committee committee. We were shocked by the

level of abuse and public service failure when it comes to trans

people. The report has got more than 30 recommendations and I hope the

Government looks carefully at what we have recommended. If there was

one headline you could put out there, but would it be in terms of

the area that needs to be looked at and what needs to change? I think

the area that particularly concerned us was the NHS, and the NHS should

be there for all of us but at the moment the evidence we have received

would suggest it is not there in the way it needs to be for trans people.

That is about making sure we have proper training for people within

the NHS about how to support trans people but also that there is no

delay there in people receiving the support that they need, because

particularly for young people that delay can see not just damaging but

tragic. What changes specifically should happen? We need to make sure

that NHS England put in place continuous professional development

training for all its medics throughout the health service, but

also that the regulatory authorities take misconduct in this area

seriously because we received evidence which would suggest that

sometimes, in some parts of the NHS, trans people are under receiving end

of significant discrimination. You have compared the treatment of

transgender people in this country with the treatment of gay people,

where you have said that Britain has led the world. What does the way

transgender people have been treated say about this country, in your

view? I believe that, as a nation, we have, at our heart, issues of

equality, and indeed attitudes on this are changing. Only today the

Fawcett Society, an organisation known for its campaigning zeal on

women's issues, have issued a really important piece of research which so

is that 44% of people are already aware of the fact that gender isn't

simply a straightforward as male or female. I think attitudes are

changing, films like The Danish Girl and announcements by people like

Caitlin Jenne, OK it is Hollywood and not normal life for people in

Britain, but they start to raise awareness of the issue and prompt

the need for change. At the moment, our public services and laws are

lagging behind public opinion. Maria Miller, thank you very much.

Here in the studio, Fox Fisher, and Dr James Barrett.

Fox, you are female to male transgender, what do you think about

what you have heard? It sounds promising, I'm female to male but

also on the non-binary spectrum. But I am very excited about changes or

acknowledgement of non-binary people in the UK. So you would prefer not

to have to define yourself as female or male? But you have to currently?

Absolutely. I took part in a documentary a few years ago and

Absolutely. I took part in a not able to be non-binary them

because they didn't think the audience would understand it. Now we

are starting to see more people, also celebrities, coming out as

non-binary which help people understand what it is like to be

between male and female, to define as that. Did you only discover you

were non-binary having transitioned? Yes. Presumably you thought when she

became male everything would be right and you discover that wasn't

the case? It has been a long process, it started with me not

defining as a woman, that started my journey. I realised I didn't fully

define as a man either. But regardless of that I'm very excited

about awareness for trans-people across the board in the past ball or

five years, it has really exploded and we have seen a lot of changes

happening. What you are describing is something when you are grubbing

up, you don't understand it within yourself and there are no role

models around you, little understanding of the -- when you are

growing up. It is difficult then to see how society as a whole gets to

grip on something that is relatively new, all relatively new in terms of

our understanding and what is out there? I think our perception is

shifting, we are learning as we are going on, language is shifting as

well. I was not born knowing the terminology about trans-issues but I

have developed that and I think we are all learning as we go along.

Maria Miller was highlighting certain issues in the NHS, have you

come across issues in the NHS? I have, and I'm a film I get and

record other people story so I have got quite a few people but have told

me how things were not that great for them and how it affected their

mental health and was very costly for them, if they decided to go

privately in order to be seen quicker. If they didn't do that, and

this is the case for me with my personal story, if I didn't go

Private at the time that I did, I don't think I would still be around

now. What with the issues? The process is

quite long winded, the GP would try to talk me out of it, but I had

thought about it for about a decade and overcome a lot of personal

hurdles. Once I was in the system, it did take a very, very long time

and I was quite frustrated with the amount of time that it took. It

affected me psychologically. Dr Barrett, how common is it for a

GP to try to talk transgenders out of this? Extremely common. I can

recall somebody who went to see their GP and their GP confidently

assured them the NHS didn't do this sort of thing and the patient was

very disappointed, upset and wrote to their MP in order to complain and

say that the NHS should do this sort of thing and the MP quickly

established that actually it does, there are NHS gender identity

clinics and the oldest is actually 50 years old and the GP had simply

confidently said something that wasn't true. So for complete

clarification, what should happen, what is available? There are seven

gender clinics in the country, not geographically positioned where you

would wish, but there are seven. There is no need for patients to see

a psychiatrist before referral, they can be referred directly by their GP

and, working in a gender identity clinic, as I do, I would rather

people were briskly referred because local psychiatric services are

unlikely to be helpful because the patients essentially don't have a

psychiatric problem. What they need to see is a gender identity clinic

as speedily as possible. With MPs talking about this now and the

infrastructure in place as it is, should this be a relatively simple

issue to put right? Belatedly but very welcomely, the NHS has put a

considerable amount of funding into gender identity services. I think

historically they felt it can't be that big an issue or it may go

historically they felt it can't be and there is now a recognition that

it won't go away and the money is there. Of course, if you throw money

at something, it won't make things better in a week because you have to

train up all the clinicians involved from the many disciplines involved,

surgery, speech therapy, chronology, hair removal, psychology and the

report has said quite properly why is this part of psychiatric

services, we couldn't agree more. It isn't obvious that it's going to fit

into endochronology because there's more to it and there's more to it

than surge rip. It's a specialism on its own because there are so many

disciplines involved. I'm the President of the British Association

of gender identity specialists and we are pushing for recognition that

this is a little specialism in its own right and that people involved

are going to come from different areas of clinical practice and need

to be sort of separately specialised in this area and working in well

established clinics with proper training so that patients who arrive

can be confident that they are seeing somebody who knows what they

are doing. Maria Miller was talking about Hollywood, we had Hollywood

stars, but does that help, does that sort of awareness coming through

make a difference? I think it does because it's in the public

perception, but to look at these people and imagine that they are

spokespeople for the trans community is just not possible because they

have access to all sorts of stuff that other people don't like

finances to be able to pay for surgeries and have stuff happen

very, very quickly but it does help public perception. I agree it does

but transpeople are people, they are welders, fitters, teachers, they are

ordinary people living ordinary lives and when they hit the Health

Service which is the bit that concerns me, it's not so much

clinics where people like I work, the level of dissatisfaction with

people who work in clinics runs at half a percent, it's the rest of the

Health Service. A month ago I travelled to a conference with a

surgeon who does gender reassignment surgery and he related a patient

he'd operated on, she did well, went back to where she live and had a

minor post-op complication and was admitted to a hospital that didn't

know what they were doing and they persistently referred to her as "he"

and put her on a male ward. One in five GPs is reluctant to prescribe

when we advise them exactly how to do so. In all of Buckinghamshire,

there isn't a single GP who will prescribe for a single patient on

the basis of a decision taken by a single GP who sat on a committee.

The local endochronologyists won't prescribe either and say they lack

the training or experience which I find somewhat implausible. We have

flagged this up to NHS England and said, this is a crisis coming down

the track, you can't have a whole county where there is no hormone

treatment given out. Nobody seems to be doing anything. The GPs say it's

terribly specialist. The How specialist is it? How many

transgender people would you estimate there are? It's very

difficult. You would need to do population surveys. At the maximum,

probably about 1% of the population, but people seeking medical

intervention, less than that. We are still talking large numbers of

individuals which would be handleable if we had a joined up

service with GPs prepared to take specialist and vice from clinics and

go with it. There are always claims that, I'm not experienced at doing

this, but if you never do it, you never get the experience so things

will never change. Exactly. En The patients are younger than me, you

are younger than me, I'll be dead, who is going to prescribe for you

then! ? Thank you both very much. Lots of people getting in touch.

Lucy says it's society that has a long way to go, health care

education and so on. Equality for trans people seriously needs

improving. Young people are being encouraged

to train as social workers when they graduate but will

the stress of the job We'll speak to two women

about their experiences Chris Grayling has become the first

MP to say he may campaign about leaving the European Union. Norman

Smith is in Westminster for us. We are interrupting you tea break

sorry. David Cameron has said campaigners can campaign, is it now

open season? Chris Grayling very carefully doesn't actually break

ranks and publicly say, I am going to campaign to leave, but frankly he

does the next best thing. I don't think anyone's under any illusions.

He is going to argue for Britain to leave the EU. I was reading his

Telegraph article and he's not calling for a minor tweak, he says

at present we can't defend our national interests. He says that

very often we are outvoted by eurozone countries even though we

are not in the eurozone and our rules are decided by the European

Court of Justice, rather than our own courts. So he is pretty

passionate I think and pretty clear that he wants to leave. There's been

very striking sentence in the article. Let me read it to you:

Staying in the EU with current terms of membership unchanged would be

disastrous for Britain. Disastrous. So no doubt where he stands. He's

not sitting on the fence. He's pretty much absolutely clear he

wants to pull out. What is interesting is whether this will be

the prelude to an all out Civil War, whether they are going to be gouging

each other's eyes out. Mr Grayling appeals not to descend into a rerun

of the glacial Civil War. He says, as Conservatives on different sides

of the argument, we need to treat each other's views with respect and

good grace. We need to remain friends. Now, the question is, will

the Tory party party be able to fight this referendum without

getting stuck into each other like they did with the Maastricht saga

with John Major, or will feelings over Europe just be too much and

inevitably it will descend into carnage? Well, this morning, we

heard from Damien Green, part of the pro-European stronger in Europe

campaign and he too appealed to Tories to try and do this without

spilling blood all over the place. This is what he said. I don't think

Chris is right. I think that there are some myths pedalled in his

article. It's surprising that he says where we are is disastrous in

that he and I fought a successful general election campaign less than

a year ago pointing out Britain's deficits coming down, jobs being

created, apprenticeships being created, inflation is low,

unemployment is low. That is as a member of the European Union, so I

think his language about that is pretty overstated.

Now, what is interesting is, how do Downing Street view this and feel

about Chris Grayling tip-toeing up to the wire and saying, hi, I'm

going to campaign to pull out? They think it's not much of a big deal.

They are pretty relaxed. Why? Bluntly, no offence to Mr Grayling,

is because it's Mr Grayling. If it would have been someone like Theresa

May, well, if it would have been Theresa May who many people are

wondering will she campaign to pull out, that would have been entirely a

different matter. Similarly if it would have been the Mayor of London,

Boris Johnson, if he'd have written that article, you rather think

Number Ten would be in a nervous sweat. What is interesting to me is,

we are only potentially a few weeks away from all this kicking off

because Mr Cameron's talking about trying to get a deal hammered out at

the summit, so we are getting towards the stumbling blocks.

There's no sign of the big beasts being prepared to lead the out

campaign and you wonder how much of a disadvantage that is going to be

to those who want to leave the EU. Thank you Norman. Get back to your

tea and paper! See you later. Let's get the latest weather

update with Matt Taylor. We keep hearing that snow is on the

way. It's been a messy mix across the UK.

Some had ice, rain, sleet, snow and some have soon different types of

weather. Let me show you why. It can come down to 0.5 of a degree or so

as to whether you get rain or snow. This time of year, what falls from

the sky when temperatures are freezing will be snow initially. It

false into warmer air, it felts, the freezing level gets lower and low

sore at this point, the snow will follow. If you live up a hill, you

could be in the snow, down in the valley, you could be in the rain

that. 'S why people close to each other see different weather types.

You can see the green fields in the valley and up the hill, the

snow-laden skies. You need to pick up the intensity, the heavier the

rain, the colder the air gets. The water evaporates and the snow

eventually follows it to the surface. You can bring colder air

into the surface too, bringing the snow down and affecting all of us.

I learnt something from the weather reports every day, whether it's a

new word or explanation on how things work, brilliant thank you!

We continue this messy wintry mix across the UK. Certainly today it

has been pretty interesting so far and we'll continue to sea a mixture

of sunshine, rain, sleet and snow through the rest of the day too.

This picture from Morpeth is where it's been snowing in the last hour

in Northumberland. Heavy snow flak flakes and it's continuing to snow

in north-east England. The sleet and snow pushing south. Further west,

wintry flurries into the north-west of Scotland, Northern Ireland

developing into the afternoon, but many western areas should stay dry

and sunny. To go with the cloud, the rain sleet and snow from parts of

south-east England, East Anglia Lincolnshire, this is where we could

see severe gales. Gusts of up to 60mph. Wherever you are, whether you

have the sunshine, or not, it's going to be feeling raw in the wind.

Snow is still falling in the showers in north-west Scotland and we could

see some lying snow by the end of the afternoon.

In Northern Ireland, the showers start to get going. A sunny

afternoon in Wales but it will feel cold in the wind. One or two

showers, a bit of sleet is possible over the higher ground. Temperatures

may read about three to eight this afternoon but the strength of the

wind, especially in the east, will make it feel subzero out there. If

you have light winds at the moment, it doesn't feel too bad but wait

until the wind gets going. Stronger winds depart into the North Sea.

We'll see some wintry showers across the western areas too. Perhaps more

widely a problem will be the ice as temperatures drop below freezing for

just about all of us. Could get as low as minus eight or ten in parts

of Scotland, if not a nudge lower. Cold, icy start tomorrow. Lying snow

in the north and west. A fine balance between rain, sleet and snow

once again but if anything, more drier weather around tomorrow. A bit

of sunshine but it will still feel chilly, even with highs of around

three to eight. amount of time that it took. It

affected me psychologically. What follows is higher pressure in

the UK, which means some very cold weather indeed. We could see

temperatures across Scotland drop as low as -15, if not lower, which will

put us into the coldest spell for four or five years. But at least by

day we should all see some crisp winter sunshine.

I'm Joanna Gosling, in for Victoria Derbyshire.

Welcome to the programme if you've just joined us.

The Indonesian capital Jakarta is targeted in a series of gun and bomb

attacks. It is thought by the the attackers and two civilians have

been killed. We will get the latest and speak to eyewitnesses at the

scene. There seems to be a body lying in the middle of the street,

who police say is either the victim or the suicide bomber that carried

out the attack. Sexual assaults on women

on New Year's Eve have now been reported across six

European countries. We will hear from a British teenager

who was attacked in Paris. The Revenant, starring Leonardo

DiCaprio, is expected to lead the list of Oscar-nominated in Los

Angeles later. We will speak to two previous winners.

At least seven people are killed in a gun and bomb attack

in the heart of Indonesia's capital, Jakarta.

The national police spokesman says those behind the attacks

were probably linked to the Islamic State terror group.

They believe there were at least seven attackers, including suicide

bombers, and that five of them are among the dead.

Police say that the attack is now over.

Here in the UK, hundreds more police officers will carry guns,

and the number of armed response vehicles will double in response

The World Health Organisation is expected to declare

West Africa's Ebola epidemic officially over later today.

The epidemic has claimed more than 11000 lives

since it began in December 2013.

Let's catch up with the latest from the cricket in South Africa

and the rest of the day's sport, with Will Perry.

We're an hour and a half into that Third test in Johannesburg.

The hosts won the toss and decided to bat, probably because they didn't

Quinton de Kock apparently fell over at home last night,

he's ruled out and and they've flown in Dane Vilas from Port Elizabeth,

he's arrived in the last 45 minutes or so.

England have had a breakthrough at the Wanderers.

Ben stokes with the wicket after Stiaan van Zyl attempted this

pull shot, easy money for Johnny Bairstow

Dean Algar and the retired captain Hashim Amla are at the crease.

England one-up in the four-match series with one match to play.

As you've ben hearing The World anti doping agency will release a report

at 2pm this afternoon where they claim there was no

way members of the IAAF Council, including current president

Sebastian Coe, could have been unaware of the extent of doping.

The report, written by WADA's first president, Dick Pound,

A huge 23 goals in seven Premier League games last night.

The pick of them at Anfield, where Arsenal and Liverpool drew

3-3, many calling it the game of the season so far.

Arsenal were on course for victory when Olivier Giroud's second

of the evening put them 3-2 up shortly after the break.

Liverpool left it late though.

Joe Allen with a volley in the 90th minute to earn his side a point -

much to the delight of his manager Jurgen Klopp.

That point for Arsenal means their lead at the top

of the table is cut, with Leicester level on 43 points

after a 1-0 win at Tottenham, Robert Huth with a header 7 minutes

Sunderland moved above neighbours Newcastle with a 4-2 win at Swansea

who are just a point above the bottom three now.

Jermaine Defoe with a hat-trick at the Liberty Stadium.

There were also wins for Southampton and Stoke.

We will be speaking to Matthew Hoggard at 10:30am and of course

will keep you up-to-date with that test in Johannesburg.

We're on BBC Two and the BBC News Channel until 11am this morning.

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retraining to deal with transgender people? Surely you need to be an

adult have a sex change, teachers deal with people younger than that.

On Twitter, concerned about trans-phobia and wider development

around the trans-enquiry, far more should be done to ensure protection.

People should be educated about transgender, I learned when two

non-binary people worked in the school where I work.

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Let's get more on the news that at least seven people are dead

after a series of large explosions and gun attacks in the centre

Indonesian police have said the attackers imitated the terror

Let's speak to Rebecca Henschke, who's Head of the BBC

It seems it is over, et al latest. The Indonesian police say it is

under control, that there have been casualties, mostly on the attackers

people side. We are getting reports that one of the victims is a foreign

national. The attack took place not far from the United Nations office

in the centre of Jakarta, an far from the United Nations office

at the Starbucks cafe which has been completely destroyed and also at a

police post, so clearly targeting Western targets and also the

Indonesian police. Lots of targets, the police

described it as a Paris style attack. Seven dead, five of them

thought to be the attackers, so in terms of actually successfully

attacking civilians, it sounds like they were dealt with pretty quickly?

That's right, much quicker than perhaps Mumbai, which went on for

days, as similar kind of attack, so the Indonesian police have been able

to control the situation quickly. In the years following the Bali bombing

the Indonesian police have set up a number of anti-terrorism forces

which have been praised for being able to stop attacks like this from

happening in Indonesia, said there has not been a serious

happening in Indonesia, said there attack in the country for quite some

time. What reaction has there been to

this? People on social media particularly

have really taken on the hashtag of We Are Not Afraid and there are

calls for people to come to that location where the attack was

tomorrow in white to show they are not afraid. But there has been, of

course, a feeling of insecurity. This is the heart of Jakarta, a

place where people come and hang out, cinemas, usually a very safe

and bustling place, so, for me, personally, I lived there, there is

a feeling of fear, I guess. And, as with Paris, the sort of

places that people meet up and relax, soft targets?

Very much, a place that people spend a lot of time late into the night, a

popular cafe, popular cinemas, a bustling shopping area, also close

to the financial hub, close to the BBC bureau there and the United

Nations. You said about the police response

being praised previously, they obviously learned lessons from

previous incidents. What sort of measures have they brought in to

ensure that they can respond so quickly to something like this?

ensure that they can respond so There has been a special

anti-terrorism force setup that has received funds from the Australian

Government but also working closely with the United states and before

Christmas security was increased in Jakarta because there were warnings

that an attack like this would happen, and that was based on

intelligence coming from Australia. The Indonesian police arrested nine

suspects at that time and they said there were conversations they were

picking up that there would be a concept in Jakarta, some kind of

attack like this, so at that stage they said they had stopped the

attack from happening but now they think it was just postponed until

now. Thank you.

We can talk to Angga Saragih, whose office is near the scene

I heard the first explosion, there is some work for transport happening

outside and it is was not until people started going to the windows

to see what was happening, you could see panic on the road, people

abandoning their motorbikes, some people driving off really quickly. I

saw people flocking to see what was happening as well, which was weird,

not a smart thing to do. Then however many explosions happened, a

couple of shootings as well. That is when me and a couple of colleagues

took the decision that it might not be such a good idea to be near the

windows, so we sort of went back to our desks, turned on the TV and sort

of took it all in through Twitter and all that to see what was

happening. There were people sending them videos as well from office

buildings that are really, really close by. There are a couple of

videos of the attackers loving themselves up going around on social

media platforms, one of which is very popular in Indonesia, people

sharing that as well. Then we started seeing heavy military

vehicles rolling in, cordoning the main roads. We started checking back

every half hour to see what was happening and probably about an hour

ago they allowed us to leave and we started to see the buses going back

on operations but only in limited areas, they wouldn't get past the

hotel roundabout, they would turn around, so I guess they are still

cordoning off that area to gather evidence or whatever. Thank you very

much indeed for giving us such a contented description of what has

been unfolding there in Jakarta. Some breaking news to bring you from

West Midlands police, two more men, both aged 26, we are hearing, have

been arrested in Walsall on suspicion of Syrian related

terrorism offences, that just through from West Midlands police.

Two arrests in Walsall. We will keep you updated as we get any more.

Still to come for 11am: As the world of athletics braces itself for

another report due to reveal more corruption in the governing body, we

hear the thoughts of one athlete hoping to make it to reopen.

It's two weeks since New Year's Eve and the number of reported sex

assaults on women on that night just keeps rising.

They've now been recorded in six European countries,

with more than 500 incidents in Germany alone.

But the accounts of what happened were slow to emerge via social

media, and some women have made accusations that there was a virtual

media blackout in the days after it happened.

The German government says it will make it easier to deport asylum

seekers who commit crimes, after police there revealed most

of the suspects are foreign nationals.

In a moment we'll hear from a teenager from London who says

she was assaulted as she celebrated New Year in Paris.

But first let's take a look at what's been

Police forces around Europe are continuing to investigate claims

of sexual assault against women on New Year's Eve.

More than 500 criminal complaints have been filed in Germany relating

to incidents occurring that night, with 40% alleging sexual assault.

The attacks in Cologne appear to have been organised around

the city's train station - and it's thought up to

1000 men in groups surrounded women, penning them in, before attacking.

The attackers have been described as being of North African

This in a country where more than a million asylum seekers

Elsewhere in Germany, there have been reports

Police in Hamburg have told the BBC that more than 50 women now have

reported attacks with similar tactics, while complaints have also

been filed in Berlin, Stuttgart, Dusseldorf and Frankfurt.

Police in Kalmar, in Sweden, have received 11 sexual harassment

complaints regarding New Year's Eve, including from women

In Salzburg, in Austria, two men have been charged

with sexually assaulting women on New Year's Eve and New Year's

In Zurich, in Switzerland, a total of six women now

they were sexually assaulted after entering a crowd of multiple

men with dark coloured skin, the authorities say.

And in Helsinki, in Finland, police say they are investigating

two possible criminal offences relating to harassment.

They're centred around a gathering of asylum seekers.

Now a teenager from London has told this programme that she was sexually

assaulted by a group of men while celebrating

Klaudia Fior who's 18 was near the Eiffel Tower

with her friend Kamali Brown at around 1am when she says a group

of men who'd gathered nearby started touching them both.

They say they spoke to passing police officers but they couldn't

take the matter further because they couldn't

A short while later Klaudia says she was dancing in a crowd

when a group of five to six men surrounded her and sexually

assaulted her when she was on the ground.

We've tried to get in touch with police in Paris; they've told

us they're looking into our enquiry and will get back to us.

Klaudia and Kamali are here and I should add both of them have

waived their right to anonymity in this case and have agreed to talk

Thank you both very much for coming in. Talk us through what happened

because you were in Paris and it started out near the Eiffel Tower as

an evening of celebration with no obvious problems? We didn't have any

plans so we were in Paris so we said, the Eiffel Tower. We were on

the bridge by the Eiffel Tower playing music. After a while as we

got closer to the tower, we had families coming over to us and

dancing with us so we created a crowd around us. Then there was

police trucks going through the mid Sol we had to move to the side. --

middle so we had to move to the side. That's when the men started

touching us in places inappropriate. That's when the police asked us did

they want us to do anything but because they weren't able to

communicate to us in English, they dismissed it and walked off. Explain

what happened, were the men passing? There was a load of people at the

side and in front of us. This is at the moment when there were loads of

crowds on the bridge, everyone had to move down because the police were

coming up. We were moving down and there were loads of men manoeuvering

their hand through people in order to get to us. And were they in a

crowd together and what age, could you tell where they were from? From

when the attack happened, they weren't men that I would say all

knew each other, they were quite random and unfamiliar with each

other, but I would say they were all between 30s and 40s. How did you

both feel at the early stages when you were being groped - you spoke to

the police and they couldn't help? At that point I didn't know the

extent that could lead to. I was just like, they were probably drunk

it's not that serious, so at that moment in time I was just getting

angry but didn't feel no deeper emotion towards it until it

happened. More frustrated that people were touching us, rather than

like scared. Most of them would touch us and walk away and there

were still families around us. We didn't feel like like we were

threatened. So when did things change? When we were walking, it got

to a point where the police said we didn't have to move any more so we

stopped on the bridge. The music was playing throughout the whole time.

Members of the public started to dance again so we were like, oh

everything's fine, we don't have to worry any more and then... And this

was families? Yes, people younger than us that were still there with

us and then there was a moment where I went into, they'd created a circle

for everyone to dance in the middle. Who is they? All the public and the

men that were there as well. So I went into the middle and within a

split second, a man had groped my bum. I turned around to see who it

was to just be like "can you stop" and, as I done that, that's when all

the men grabbed me and made me fall to the floor. So you were

effectively swallowed up by a group of men? Yes. Where were you at this

point? She fell in front of me but I couldn't see her, there were so many

men on top of her. How many men? Five or six. Then there was still a

lot of men trying to get in on it around the sides. I couldn't... I

felt so helpless. She was just on the floor. At first I didn't

think... At first I don't know if anyone's mentioned this, but Kamani

managed to get a recording of it by accident, it's a dance we do often

so she was about to record that and from the video you can see the way

the men approached me at first, it seemed as if they were coming to

dance with me in the middle so Kamani thought they were having fun

with me. Then after a while you could hear me screaming and Kamani

tried to get through but it wasn't that easy. As much as there were

five to six men on top of me, directly next to me, there was

another 50 surrounding us. So you were lying on the ground? I was

crumpled up in a ball. Trying to protect yourself? Yes. What were

they doing? They grabbed me clothes and completely ripped them apart so

I was butt naked on the floor. What did they rip off, everything? I had

a unitard on, so once they ripped one part of it, the whole thing came

apart. Then they started grabbing like parts of my body. Then they

snatched my chains off. Then after that happened, that's when they

started penetrating me with their hands. Was there anything that you

could do that was going through your mind? I was genuinely just under so

much shock and my initial reaction was, don't let them touch you, don't

let them get too close to me so I thought if I put myself in a little

ball I would be able to stop them from getting too close to me. I

tried to get up but because there was so many people there, every time

I lifted myself up, someone would push me back down. So honestly, as

much as it only lasted two to three minutes, it felt like it was going

on for ever and I felt completely powerless that I couldn't do

anything to get myself out of the situation. The fact is you were in a

situation where there were lots of other people around. I'm sure all

sorts of things were going through your mind at the time but could you

believe that in an environment where you felt safe a short while ago,

suddenly you were caught up in something like that? That's what was

really frightening. When I stood up, I didn't feel upset about what

happened, what upset me is the amount of people that had the same

intention of doing that. I was like, how could so many people unfamiliar

with each other think that what they are doing is OK and to think out of

all the people on the bridge at the time, there was only one man who

came and helped me up and led me off to the side.

There was so many people watching. Some people who were younger than

us, after the incident happened, they disappeared, no-one helped us

afterwards. Some of the men were asking us where our parents were as

if it excused their actions. So they spoke English? Some of them, quite

brief English, they didn't understand everything. Did they

speak French, could you tell where they were from? Mostly they were

French but mostly they just laughed or looked at us and kind of

dismissed as if as if we weren't saying anything. Afterwards, what

did they do? Afterwards when the man who helped me came and got me and

took me to the side, I stood at the side and because they'd ripped my

clothes I was practically naked so Kamali gave me her jacket. What was

really disgusting is that, I was obviously in tears and there was men

still standing next to me touching me thinking that that was OK for

them to do that. Kamali obviously was like "we're leaving", so we

started walking around the bridge and there was about another seven

men still following us all the way down to the bottom of the bridge

coming up to me and they were like saying "do you want help" but they

were the same Kneen had touched me because there were some faces that I

had recognised. I was just like, we were like give us the number for the

police and they laughed, ignored us and followed us. They followed us

all the way to the bottom of the bridge until we got to a cafe and

they realised that we had called the police. After the incident happened,

all of a sudden there was not a single police officer on the bridge

so there was no-one we could turn to and ask for help until we got to the

restaurant. How quickly did the police respond? We waited like 20

minutes. What was their attitude when you reported it? When we were

speaking to the police officers who came and got us and dropped us at

the station, some of them were quite sympathetic with the situation

regardless of I don't think they could understand everything I was

saying but some were quite dismissive. One lady seemed like...

She kept asking if I drank alcohol and the way she asked it seemed as

if I'd drunk that's the reason they came to me so it was like my fault

because I'd been drinking, so they were ignorant to the situation. When

we got to the police station, the police officers were quite nice and

they did kind of make sure we were all right.

How do you feel about it now? To be honest, everyone expects me to be

really down whereas I'm not, that's not how I feel whatsoever, to me

it's kind of showing that at first I was like, I feel afraid to be myself

again because all I was doing that night was being myself, being the

normal bubbly self that I am, so when that happened I sort of felt I

was being punished for that. After when that happened I sort of felt I

while, I came to realise that I hadn't done anything wrong that

night, it was not my fault in any way, shape or form, no matter how

anyone puts it. After a while I came to terms with it and thought, I

can't blame myself for what happened because it wasn't my fault. I don't

let it affect me but there are moments like after it happened I

didn't leave my house for a while because I didn't want to be

surrounded by crowds and when I did leave the house I went to Oxford

Circus and it was so busy and I had a panic attack because there were so

many people that I didn't know. There are moments when I don't want

to be here, I don't want to do that because it's changed the way I view

things. At the same time, it's not had that much of a major effect but

I don't know if that's because of the mindset that I've put myself in.

Being there as well, Kamali, obviously you are being incredibly

supportive for Klaudia, it's been very hard not being able to help

your friend at the time? The worst thing was not being able to get to

her, the fact that so many people were on top of her and you couldn't

grab them, none of them would come off her, none would like acknowledge

the fact that they were doing something wrong. Then even

afterwards, I've never seen her so distressed and it was so painful to

watch her in tears and I just hated all of it. And right now I'm happen

nay she's handling it so well and that she's so mentally strong

because I don't think I could handle it as well as she's handling it.

Klaudia and Kamali. Paul on Twitter feels sorry for the girls,

disgusting, and another Twitter viewer says very brave. I said

earlier we have tried to talk to the police in Paris. Our BBC reporter in

the City's told us that they have spoken to women's defence groups

about claims on assaults on women on New Year's Eve. They say they didn't

record a spike in reports that night. We should be clear that the

case we have just been talking about is not linked to the attacks on

women in Cologne but people are starting to ask what was behind

those attacks. An official report said the combination of sexual

violence and robbery had not been seen in Germany. It refers to

something which means group sexual harassment in crowds. It's a term

that's been used to describe incidents reported in Cairo's Tahrir

Square at the time of the Egyptian revolution, but what does it mean?

Let's talk to Sally Nabil in our Cairo brew row. Bureau, tell us

about that? It's a day-to-day phenomena. If we come to verbal

harassment, not just physical, we can say that maybe not a single

woman in Egypt's not been verbally harassed at least once in her life.

The UN issued a study a couple of years ago saying that maybe 90% of

Egyptian women have been sexually harassed in the street. When it

comes to collective sexual harassment, we can see on occasions

where there are huge gatherings, especially down town for example

when people were celebrating the election of President Sisi two years

ago, there were reports about collective sexual harassments where

a lot of girls were almost raped in Tahrir square and the area

surrounding it. The problem is, a lot of people here put the blame on

the girls sometimes. They say that because the girl is not decently

dressed, so it's as if inviting her harasser to abuse her. But this is

not necessarily true because some girls who're fully covered up who

eeven wear the full face cover, they are sexually harassed as well --

even. A lot of girls do not come up and speak about it because this is a

social taboo, a social stigma, they are embarrassed, shy, they don't

want to report it, so the problem is that not all the victims believe

that they are victims and that the society is going to support them

because, from a social perspective, a lot of people sometimes put the

blame on the girl. Still to come before 11: How

high-calibre graduates in England are being targeting to become

children's social workers. And The Revenant, starring

Leonardo DiCaprio, is expected to lead the list of Oscar

nominations this lunchtime - we'll speak to two previous

academy award winners. At least seven people are killed

in a gun and bomb attack in the heart of Indonesia's

capital, Jakarta. The national police spokesman says

those behind the attacks were probably linked

to the Islamic State terror group. They believe a number of attackers

set of suicide bombs. Police say the attack is now over and the president

has insisted that Indonesia will not give into terror.

Here in the UK, hundreds more police officers will carry guns,

and the number of armed response vehicles will double in response

West Africa's Ebola epidemic will be declared officially over today

The epidemic began in December 2013 and killed more than 11,000 people.

Could films like The Revenant or Carol be in line for an Oscar?

Later today we'll find out who's been nominated to win in the 88th

Let's catch up with Will Perry at the BBC Sport Centre and you've

got the latest from the cricket for us.

Let's bring you the latest from Johannesburg.

England against South Africa, of course.

The hosts won the toss and decided to bat.

We can speak to the former England bowler Matthew Hogard.

We had a strange situation where South Africa will without a

wicketkeeper, Quinton de Kock apparently slipping over at home, he

was ruled out and they have had to fly in Dane Vilas from Port

Elizabeth who has now arrived, he is on the balcony. It is like the

Chuckle Brothers! It is, if it happened in England there would be a

lot of who are! Quinton de Kock was going to open the batting, to offer

some part time the JP Duminy, said there has been a lot of shuffling

and changing of personnel in South Africa. But what can you say about a

be of the? He has taken over the rain as a tutor, not only has he won

the toss, a tricky one to say whether they should bat or bowl

first, they are batting and he is doing well. Is that why South Africa

chose to bat, because they did not have a wicketkeeper? There is plenty

in that picture for the bowlers. It is difficult to bowl and then run

behind the batsman and catch it yourself! You need a keeper, you

need all 11 players to play the game. It is a little bit like Lords,

the cracks can open up in Johannesburg, it normally quickens

up on day two and the indentations made by the ball on day one can

prove a bit more effective on day two. It was a tough choice between

batting and bowling, but get in the first half-hour and make a, which is

what the South Africans are doing. They have weathered the new ball,

and they are in the process of setting themselves up to be in a

good position after the first session. Advantage South Africa

early on but England got that wicked, what did you make of that

from Stiaan van Zyl, a hawk which went straight into the hands of

Jonny Bairstow behind the stumps? I've seen the Australia opener David

Warner get out a couple of times I've seen the Australia opener David

like that in their series. Who else but Ben Stokes? What can he do

wrong? He scored 150 in the last test match and has come on and a.

Ben Stokes doing well -- come on and take our wicket. How much of a

feather in the cap will it be for Trevor Bayliss if they can win the

series? He will have taken a back-seat and said, it is all about

the players, all I have done is encourage them to perform. You will

shift it straight back onto the players. But all of the reports

coming out of the changing room are very successful, a very happy coach.

Thank you, Matthew Hoggard, former England bowler joining us here on

Victoria Derbyshire. We will keep you up-to-date with the result of

that one on the News Channel throughout the day. England 1-0 in

the series with one match to play. Lovely, thank you, see you later.

The world athletics governing body, the IAAF, is braced for further

The World Anti-Doping Agency is revealing another report

into the doping and corruption scandal - and it's not expected

Its first report, in November, led to Russia being suspended

Today's report is expected to look more closely at the conduct

There've been no allegations against Lord Coe, the IAAF

President, but questions are sure to be asked over whether he's

the person to clean up the sport's image.

Let's speak now to Joolz Adineran, an international 110m hurdler who's

Good luck on that, you find out in July. But what do you think of what

is emerging today? It is shocking, the revelations are painful. I, like

many schoolchildren around the country, grew up with a love of

competition and the belief that if I worked hard enough I would have a

chance of winning, so it is concerning for young and

up-and-coming athletes. There have been delegations about doping dating

back so many years, did you would have an element of cynicism

potentially about some of your competitors, without specifically

pointing fingers? But because the previous allegations is it something

that is always in the background? Athletes like myself sacrificed so

much, we train six days a week, 48 weeks of the year, for a decade or

longer. Everything you do is channelling performance, from the

time you go to bed until the time you get breakfast, it is on the

premise that when you step outside you will be on a level playing

field, and so to think that your sporting achievement, opportunities,

livelihood could be stolen from you by a three to choose to cheat, it is

a sickening revelation, a sickening thought. -- by athletes. What we are

expecting today is a focus on the people in the sport who are meant to

be overseeing everything and making sure allegations are followed up.

How does it make you feel that there are questions being asked about that

particular aspect of things? It is a major concern. I think sport and

society has a collective responsibility to reduce that number

eventually to zero of the three athletes who are tempted to cheat

for financial gain. It is important that there are harsh penalties and

they make sure they use strong deterrent and better education, not

just in this country but across the world, to protect young

up-and-coming athletes, clean athletes like myself. The experts at

what are best placed to make athletes like myself. The experts at

recommendations but I certainly believe that all testing should be

carried out by an independent body not at all associated with any

sporting governing body like the IAAF because political and

commercial interests should not be allowed to implement anti-doping

efforts. From what you don't so far, do you feel athletes have been let

down by the governing bodies? For athletes like my fab lab been

affected directly, like many British athletes have, it is a painful

revelation -- athletes like myself. We see this as an opportunity for

action to be taken, for better protection to be provided for

up-and-coming athletes. We have got so much talent in this country. And

for the doping reform agenda to be prioritised in the media. It is

important to stay in the present and focus on solutions and this coming

to the set this is a positive in that way, let's focus on those

positives. Do you have trust going forward? I have concerns, I'm

concerned for young people and the real Olympics who may

be dissuaded from supporting athlete in my sport. Thank you very much,

and good look with reopen the 16. Social work - it's a profession

that's renowned for heavy workloads and difficult cases,

but it has been under immense scrutiny in recent years with plenty

of Government-backed reviews into where the profession

is going wrong. Child protection failures have

led experts to question whether the right people

are doing the job and how We're talking about a series

of high profile failures, like the death of eight-year-old

Victoria Climbie. In 2000, she starved to death

after prolonged abuse at the hands Social workers, police and the NHS

all failed to raise the alarm. Baby P - Peter Connelly -

died in his home after suffering 50 A series of damning inquiries

revealed 60 missed opportunities And chances were missed to help

four-year-old Daniel Pelka - he was starved and beaten for months

by his mother and her partner before Each case an example

of shocking child cruelty. Today, a programme that recruits

and develops children's social workers, called Frontline,

will be rolled out nationally. That means 1000 new professionals

will be available to support some of the most disadvantaged children

and families in Britain by 2020. So what does it take

to be a social worker? Let's talk now to two of them

at different ends of their careers. Raphael Caedenhead,

a newly-qualified social worker, and Karen Goodman, a social

worker for over 30 years and Professional Officer

at the British Association of Social Thank you both for coming in. We

were running through some of the headlines there that have fairly or

unfairly given social workers a bad name. How do you see it? We have a

number of routes the training into social work, it is a wonderful

profession but we need to be positive about the work and have a

level playing field for training and to be supporting social workers

throughout their careers. We need to the social workers retained in their

jobs so there is not the high turnover, the experience and

majority that we need in the profession is there, maintained and

supported. They are very much on the front line, you are very much on the

front line in terms of when it comes to the care of children, other

agencies are obviously involved, but it is the social workers that have

often borne the brunt of criticism. Tell other bit more about the

pressures that you have encountered in your 30-year career. Social

workers are the lead agency in child protection work but we work with

other professionals. The work is challenging and difficult, but to

say that the social work training is at the core of the problem is not

the case. We have to look at the broader context of the work.

Constant criticisms don't how to retain staff. We need a mature, well

supported staff where social workers are encouraged to stay and there is

not constant criticism, the target culture, the impact of poverty, the

reduction of services working together with other agencies, those

are sorts of things we have to be addressing at the same time. Why

have you gone into it? A very good question. Listening to what you were

saying, there is a negative cultural set of presumptions about social

work. For me, put simply, I have a passion and desire to work with

abominable children and their families, complex and difficult

situations -- former rebel children. To give you history about my own

context, I did a Ph.D. The three years, I spent a year doing

volunteer work and in that period I was volunteering as a Samaritan. It

was really by chance that I came to realise about Front line, I'm in the

first cohort so there had been nothing similar before that. The

attraction of it was the emphasis on direct work with families and

therapeutic practice. I applied, I was placed in Harrow, and extremely

supportive local authority. I think what the work does is it enables you

to see some of the transformative work you can do with families. I

think some of the media assumptions can seem negative. It is much harder

to see the positive that we are doing. I think front line has

provided me with an opportunity to learn and equip myself with some of

those therapeutic practices... What are those practices? We work

collaboratively with the Institute of family therapy and have experts

in motivational interviewing, a way of having conversations with people

that elicits change. That is interesting, speaking to other newly

qualified social workers, they often say that with their courses there is

not so much of an emphasis on practice, whereas from the get go

with us we really were role-playing, discussing therapeutic techniques.

Is this a change in the way social work is being done? Is this

different from how you started out? Some of it is the same, some of it

is different. It is important to look at the context of this work. It

is very good that Raphael has had this opportunity. We have to make

sure that these opportunities are therefore for all such workers who

are training. We are training many social workers at the moment, they

are coming through, but are the jobs available? Some of them report back

that they cannot find work after the training because local authorities

are looking for those who have good experience. What we need to make

sure is that we are retaining those social workers. How difficult is the

work, when it comes down to very difficult judgment calls on whether

to take a child out of their family environment or whatever the decision

is that is being taken, when cases are under the spotlight in the

media, it is easy for people to read the headlines of the story, point

the finger and say, it is pretty clear cut, this should have

happened, but at the time how difficult is it? Social work has

never been easy. All of us have these difficult decisions to make,

gathering the information together with other colleagues, not just

social workers but police, health colleagues, education colleagues.

When you put that before the courts, it is the courts that make the

ultimate decisions on the assessment that the expert evidence, but the

blame culture as an outcome, the naming and shaming of individual

social workers by judges and the media cover, it does not help the

situation. Caseload at the moment are extraordinarily high, you have

social workers very much in the media today working very long hours,

some of the issues need to be addressed as well as a training. As

I said, it is about seeing what happens for the professionals after

they have been trained. Two to three years into the work is considered at

the moment quite experienced. My experience is unique to be in the

profession for many, many years before you are considered

experienced. We need to look at how we retain staff so they become

mature experienced and resilient. How difficult do you anticipate it

to be when it comes to the judgment cause, does it worry you? All social

workers should feel a sense of responsibility and even slight

anxiety when making those very big decisions. I think something I've

noticed since I'm just kind of starting out really, it's really

easy for blinkered thinking to embed itself in local authorities. Explain

a bit more about that? Yes. So with some models of social work practice,

you've just got you, the practitioner, the social worker, and

you're talking things thug with a more senior colleague and with just

the two of you, sometimes it's very easy to kind of, there might be

blind spots or thingious don't quite see in the full picture, and you try

to do things as a group, so there are less chances that the blind

spots won't seen, so that's very helpful in terms of making those

decisions. Thauch thank you both very much.

Some breaking news on those attacks in the Indonesian capital Jakarta.

Seven people killed, including five of the attackers. Police say it's

under control. We are hearing the so-called Islamic state-media linked

group has revealed IS fighters were behind the attacks in Indonesia this

morning. It quoted an unspecified source saying the attack targeted

foreign nationals. There is been no official IS statement on the

foreign nationals. There is been no ject yet but the group who claims

it's IS, they have a reliable track record.

The Oscar season is upon us. Eddie Redmayne will be hoping to build on

his success after losing out on a Golden Globe in the leading actor

category to Hollywood star Leonardo DiCaprio on Sunday. Kate Winslet is

a hopeful for her role in Steve Jobs. Let's take a look at some of

the main runners for the awards. Is that you? What do you know? ! I'm

saying to myself, I know that girl. Great to see you, it's been months.

Ted Grey is meeting us and we are going to Phil's party. You are

going, aren't you? I planned to get there a little... You two go ahead.

Cow coming along? No, I have to make a few calls before dinner anyway. I

really should run. Are you sure? Of course.

Came up at the last minute. Officers in London. Clients. Scott Lindus,

fishing expedition. What kind of fishing trip, Jim? Salmon. Tell me

it's a routine business trip and I won't worry. I need my passport.

Give me something to hold on to, I don't even care if it's not the

truth. I'm doing this for us. What is the matter with you girls

now? Nothing is the matter with us, Mrs Keogh. Is this bawl she's found

herself a young man? She won't say anything about it. And why should

she, to you gossip amongsters. Anyway I met him on Saturday when he

called for her and he's very nice. Is he nice looking? Didn't like his

shoes much. What on earth is wrong with his shoes? Funny colour. A

sermon on giddiness is required, a giddy girl is every bit as evil as a

slothful man and the noise she makes is a lot worse. Enough! Here with us

now to talk about the nominations, two people who themselves are part

of the elite group of Oscar winners. We can talk to Paul Franklin who's

won two for visual effects for Inception and Interstellar nominated

for dark Knight and James Lucas for best live action short film in 2015,

James was co-writer and producer of the film. Thank you both for coming

in. I wanted to be able to say I held one, I tried to lift it and was

shocked, they're really heavy. Weighs about ten pounds, yes, so

it's quite a hefty chunk of metal. So when you get given that, were you

surprised at the weight? Absolutely. Yes. But you are so excited, there

is so much adrenaline that you could pretty much lift up anything. Before

you get that though, the nominations happen. Paul, when you were first

nominated, how did you hear about it and what did you think? I think I

heard about it from a text message from a friend because back in 2009,

you didn't have quite the same feeds on the Internet like today. There

wasn't an official notification that you'd been nominated, you get a

letter in the post later on so I was trying to find the news and somebody

on the stairs said, you've been nominated. How strange to find out

that way. Exactly. How did you feel? Elated. Fantastic. Being nominate

suicide a recognition that you have achieved a certain standard within

what you are doing and it's a great vindication of everything you have

done on the film. How did you feel, James, and how did

you find out, because there is this glitzy ceremony to announce the

nominees? Yes, exactly. I was with my wife and the director and

co-writer and there was a phone call. We all congregated to Soho

House when it was announced live from LA and yes, they went through

the category, the nominees and because it was in alphabetical order

ours came last. As they called them out, I was thinking, oh, no, and it

felt like it wouldn't happen and after that, there was the phone

call. We went absolutely mental. Incredible. Euphoric. Absolutely

wonderful. Did it feel like the culmination of some very hard years

of hard work? Absolutely. I grew up in small town New Zealand and had

always been relatively obsessed by film and that was always the goal,

so some years down the line, to become nominated for an Oscar and

then to go to the Hallow ground of the Dolby Theatre is wonderful. My

dreams come true. Your little independent short movie's obviously

had huge critical, as well as popular acclaim, but when you were

making it, was the thought of something like this ever on the

radar? No, not at all. When we were freezing in a disused office in

Enfield where we shot the film, that was the furthest thing away from my

mind. The idea was just to make the best film we could possibly make.

When is it the word Oscar first starts to pass people's lips in your

movie? Somewhere down the line the film started gaining momentum and

started to get a buzz about it and we screened the film, got into a

little known film festival and we won our category there. That

qualified us to begin to to the Oscars. Paul, you've got a sleighly

different story in that your recognition is for big budget

movies? Yes. I design visual effects for Hollywood blockbusters. So when

you are working on those, is there a level of expectation around the time

that they'll go on to get this sort of recognition? Not really. I think

probably the best way to guarantee that you are not going to win an

Oscar is to set out to win one in the first place. I've seen a lot of

people try to do that in all aspects of film-making and when we were

walking on Interstellar, it's clear the film is going to be spectacular

and make a splash in the market place, but film-makers are

superstitious and if you start talking about Oscars, you are going

to jinx it. It's not going to happen. Famous last words, yes. So

what difference has it made for each of you? It allows you to go into

meetings with people that wouldn't have given you access before because

it's a sort of a recognition that you have achieved a certain status

within film-making and that you are capable and professional and you

know what you are doing. Then also they... So do you drop it into every

conversation or have it at the bottom of every e-mail or text

people "by the way... "? No, hopefully the people you are talking

to already know that you've got the Oscar and it basically means you

don't have to go and prove that you know what you are doing certainly

from my area of film making which is technical and it definitely helps

but can also work against you sometimes because people assume,

he's got the Oscar now, he's going to be so expensive and out of our

realm. There is a curse attached sometimes, you have to be careful.

What about you, James? It's opened up doors that were firmly closed

before I won the Oscar. It legitimizes me as a serious

film-maker and... A brilliant start to your film-making career? It

really is. To use a boxing analogy, I suppose it's I've gone from being

amateur to professional and maybe moved up a few divisions as well

alongside it. It's been fantastic and things are really moving now. As

winners, do you get to go to the ceremonies from now on? No. No, you

winners, do you get to go to the don't. We are both members of the

Academy of Motion Pictures, Arts Sciences and you are not guaranteed

a place but you get to go sometimes. We get to vote so we are part of the

process of judging the films. Where do you both keep them? Not in the

downstairs loo? ! We recently moved to a new house and have a place we

can display the Oscars in. Before that, they mainly lived in a

cardboard box in the attic because there was not anywhere secure I

would leave them where I could be sure people wouldn't be fiddling

with them. And yours? Mantlepiece, bedroom, sometimes I like to wake up

and see it looking down upon me and I like to have him there when I'm

writing as well. It keeps my mind on the job, keeps me focussed. Keeps

you inspired. Thank you both for bringing those in. The nominations

will be revealed in a special programme on the BBC News Channel

with Jane Hill and the film critic Jason Solomons at 1. 30. Thank you

very much for your company and for all your messages, we are back same

time tomorrow, I'll see you from 9. 15 on BBC Two, the BBC News Channel

and online. Have a lovely afternoon, thank you for all your comments

today. See you tomorrow. Bye. So, no-one pays tax here?

No-one pays taxes.