09/03/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello, it's Wednesday, it's 9.15, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

"The greatest music producer of all time".

were like an orchestra without a conductor,

until he gave them a shape and a sound."

Just some of the tributes this morning to the news that the man

known as the fifth Beatle - George Martin - has died.

He could translate and suggest a lot of things.

"Look, chaps, I thought of this this afternoon".

He taught us a lot and we taught him a lot through our primitive music

We'll talk to those who knew him throughout the programme.

Also this morning - Junior doctors are striking again

It's in protest about whether they should be paid more

But how likely are they to get what they want?

We'll talk to people who've been on strike previously in other

disputes about whether it's worth it.

And why are so many young people being prescribed antidepressants?

We'll hear concerns that the number of pills being prescribed

to children has doubled in seven years.

I remember telling them, this is not working.

It just seems just more medication - that will make it better -

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We are interested in hearing from you if you are still backing junior

doctors or not and their strike. Sir George Martin -

the man universally known as the "fifth Beatle" for the huge

impact he had on their careers - Without him the Beatles would have

been a very different band. He not only signed them to a label

but also produced nearly Our arts editor describes

his relationship with "The Beatles were like an orchestra

without a conductor, until the visionary George Martin

gave them a shape and a sound." Let's hear one of his most famous

productions, Yesterday. # Yesterday, all my troubles

seemed so far away. # Suddenly, I am not half

the man I used to be. # Yesterday came suddenly.

# Why she had to go, I don't know, she would not say.

# I said something wrong, now I long for yesterday.

# Yesterday. # Love was such an easy game to

play. # Now I need a place to hide away.

He's a macro I believe in yesterday. # Why she had to go, I don't know,

she would not said. # I said something wrong, now I long

for yesterday. # Yesterday. Musa --

Part of the Beatles' distinctive sound came from George Martin's

experiments with different recording techniques.

Here he is speaking to Howard Goodall on BBC 4's Arena

programme about how he would play around with the band's sound.

There was one time on Rain where I decided to play around

I took John's voice off as a separate item, and put it

tape, and turned it back to front and played around with it a bit

And I played it to John when he came back and he said,

I explained what I had done and from that moment,

# Turn off your mind, relax and float downstream.

This place, Abbey Road Studio, was a wonderful musical toy shop

and I never got much money but I did get the ability to play

I was able to experiment and I put newspapers through the strings

We have got all these tape loops, the sitar.

Because everything was so pulled back and neat.

This is the good reason we stopped touring and came into the studio.

On George Martin's Facebook page there is this statement: "We're

deeply sorry to report that today Sir George Martin has passed away

Our deepest condolences to his family.

Your body may not be between us, but your legacy we'll be forever

Thanks for your passion and dedication."

quote by him - "When you extend life span, that's really something.

Many tributes from celebrities on Twitter.

you for all your love and kindness, George.

Mark Ronson tweets - "Thank you, Sir George Martin:

We will never stop living in the world you helped create."

Sir Roger Moore says, "How very sad to wake to the news

He made my first Bond film sound brilliant!"

Lenny Kravitz tweets "The legends are really going home!

And Boy George says about Sir George Martin...

Mark Lewisohn is the Official Beatles Historian -

he worked with Sir George Martin on many projects including

documentary series, The Beatles Anthology.

tell us what he was like. He was what you saw. He was a gentleman and

scholar. He was amusing, had a fantastic sense of humour, and he

had the talent of bringing the best of people around him. It is so easy

for people in that position let their ego be the dominant one, but

George Martin was always incredibly reset it, he knew that was his job.

Many people will know this but some won't. He was classically trained.

He did not learn music at school, he did not learn how to really come he

taught himself. His first piece of music was composed when he was six

or seven years old, a classical ragtime piece of music. You can get

it on CD. He was obviously very musically inclined but his parents

did not have much money. He lived in Highbury, north London, and was

evacuated to Bromley in the early part of the Second World War. He

eventually served in the war but was evacuated in the early part and was

at a school in Bromley when the BBC Symphony Orchestra came and

performed some Debussy, and he was wafted away to heaven, as he called

it, and was deeply in love with music from that point on and wanted

to make it his career. He ended up going to the Guildhall to-macro

school of Music. No fee was due on that. He then left their and went

into record production. It was not called that, he was working in a

studio at EMI, Abbey Road, and was involved in the creation of sounds

right across the spectrum of music, from classical to Opera, two novelty

records, and jazz and eventually rock 'n' roll. Explain to our

audience why he was so important to the success of the Beatles. They

were great rebels, they never wanted to do anything... If anyone said

Beatles that you cannot do that, they would say, who says? Yes, we

will. In George Martin, they had a producer who empathised absolutely

with that point of view. He was a maverick and wanted to break the

rules. If there was a rule, he would break it. That is what they did

together. With another record producer, they might have been

denied that expression of talent. They could have sounded very

different. From the point of view of the The Beatles, they were the

perfect artist for Sir George, they wanted to try something different

every time and that suited his manner perfectly. Which made them a

really good combination which is the understatement of the day. It made

the studio a creative workshop, he said. The Beatles did not have to

pay for their recording sessions, it was part of the contract with EMI

that it was part of the deal, they could spend long as they wanted.

George Martin was the facilitator of whatever they wanted, and quite

often they did not need him around but very often they did and whenever

they needed him, he was the man. If John wanted the strings, George

would score that and conductive. If George wanted something, George was

the perfect person. For Paul McCartney, we think of Yesterday or

Eleanor Rigby, and any of those tracks, but he did more than just

conduct and arrange, he was there sounding board and they respect him,

and what we have in our record collections and award's music bank

is the sound of people who respected one another in the studio. Is it

true that the first time the Beatles were recording, George Martin went

off to the canteen and left them to it? It is a long story but actually

George had turned them down, the Beatles were rejected by everyone

because they were so new and so different, but in the end, George

Martin signed them and when he met them, initially, he was not in their

first session, but when he met them, he recognised that these were people

he wanted to be with. He was turned on by their personalities and

charisma, and they in turn liked him very much because he appeared to be

like a schoolmaster. They called him the headteacher. On the other hand,

they could have a joke with him, he would make self-deprecating remarks

about himself am a and they really took to him straightaway, and it

became a beautiful relationship about five months after they met,

they really clicked at the end of 1962, and the breakthrough of the

Beatles was so extraordinarily rapid that George Martin became the

hottest producer in the world. 1964, March of 1964, it was pointed out to

him that in the preceding 15 months, he had spent 37 weeks at number one

of the charts. 37 weeks out of about 65 weeks, quite an incredible run

which will never be repeated because he did not only have the Beatles, he

had silicon black, Shirley Bassey, Matt Monro, Gerry and the

pacemakers, so many talents. -- Cilla Black. Send us your own

tribute to George Martin. Some breaking news to do with Amazon.

Good news, Amazon is to create 1000 new jobs in Manchester. Company

currently employs 4000 people in Great Britain, 40,000 in Europe.

They are to create 1000 new jobs at a centre in Manchester.

Are we prescribing too many anti-depressants to young people?

New research shows a huge rise in these drugs being handed out.

It's the third time junior doctors have walked out but what's

the likelihood it will get them what they want?

We'll ask two professionals who went on strike recently

The man behind the fab four - record producer Sir George Martin -

Sir George - also known as the fifth Beatle produced more than 700

records over his career, working with stars such

as Dame Shirley Bassey and Cilla Black.

Another junior doctors strike begins in England -

its the third walkout and will last 48 hours -

The World Health Organisation has expressed concern over the number

of children on anti-depressants in the UK.

New research shows there was a 54 percent rise between 2005 and 2012.

Buckingham Palace has insisted the Queen is "politically neutral"

over the referendum on the EU that is set for June -

despite the Sun newspaper claiming that she backs a British exit.

Plans to relax Sunday trading laws in England and Wales could be

blocked in the House of Commons today.

The Scottish National Party is to join those voting

against the proposals - even though the plans DON'T

The government has accused the SNP of hypocrisy.

A baby ape has been born at Twycross zoo in Leicestershire. The zoo

announced at the first time mother gave birth on the ninth of their

brief. It is one of only 11 such births in zoos worldwide in the last

year. Those are the headlines, now time for the sport.

Maria Sharapova's doping revelations and the Sunderland Chief Executive

Margaret Byrne resigning over her handling of the Adam Johnson case.

We'll talk about both those stories in the next hour.

But we've had plenty of football to get our teeth into.

Arsenal went through in the FA cup last night.

The Champions League returned, we'll show you another

Chelsea play tonight, having to score against

Paris St Germain and staying with Paris, the French Football

Association headquarters were raided yesterday by Swiss authorities,

and they seized documents in connection with their

investigation into that ?1.3 million payment from Sepp Blatter

Plenty to talk about in the next hour.

Junior doctors in England have walked out on strike this morning

It's their third strike so far in a dispute with the government

Our reporter Jim Reed explains what the dispute is about:

The priority at the moment is the thousands of people

that we think die unnecessarily because we don't have proper cover

They are trying to cut our pay when we are already

These are not just students leaving medical school but anyone below

They are the person you will see clerking you in when you go to A,

the person you might see in your GP practice,

often they will be the person that comes round on the ward

Often they are the person who will be doing surgery

in theatre, they will be assisting the consultant

One big part of this is hours worked.

The government wants to raise basic wages but change the way it pays

At the moment regular hours are set at seven until seven Monday

to Friday with anything over that being paid extra.

The government wants to extend those core hours to 10pm in the week

and into Saturday for the first time.

The doctors who are working the most difficult hours,

the ones who are working some of the hardest rotas,

working through the night, through the weekend etc,

these are the people who really lose out in this contract.

They are the people this affects the most.

In the last election, the Conservatives promised to bring

Illness does not respect working hours.

Heart attacks, major accidents, babies, these things don't just come

After months of talks and two previous strikes,

the government says its offer is final and it will now impose

the new contract on doctors from August.

There are plans for three 48 hour strikes over the next six weeks.

Thousands of operations have been moved or cancelled although

emergency care should not be affected and A will

So how likely is it that the strike will lead to any changes?

And you've been looking into recent strikes to see what they've achieved

and whether they have been successful?

looked at three different public sector strikes.

midwives, ambulance staff, nurses, and as you can see from these

pictures, this was a strike broadly overpaid, so an independent a

body has recommended a 1% pay increase uptime. The Government

said not enough money in the kitty, there will be a pay freeze,

so the workers went on strike, just a four hour strike over one day.

That was across England only, 12,500 people, and if we

following January after that strike in November, the Government had

backed down and said that anyone in the NHS earning less than ?56,000

gets the 1% rise, so you can see there was a strong argument that

that strike was successful. Another example, the

Tube strokes in London last year. These are some of the most disrupt

strikes in recent years. You can see the long queues of people, and this

was over the proposed introduction of a night tube service across

London at weekends. Unions worried about the possible effects on

worklife balance, and let's face it, it was about pay as well. And if we

look at the results of that, the main tube drivers union has now

accepted a deal, that was agreed that the last couple of weeks, so

staff now get four years guaranteed above

inflation pay rise, and a ?500 bonus, so we now expect that service

to launch. And your third example, teachers in 2014. Again this effect

England only. Teachers went on strike over two days in the spring

and summer of 2014. again was broadly overpaid and

working conditions. haven't seen a huge increase in

teachers' pay, did get a 2% increase last year, but

the overall level hasn't really changed. We spoke to people

involved in this strike, and they said, this wasn't just about a

specific thing on pay, this was about showing broader

dissatisfaction with the coalition Government as it was. If you look at

some of the timings, there were two strikes, one in March 2014 on the

second in July 2014, and by the end of July, Michael Gove had been

replaced by the Education Secretary. So it was easy to make the argument

there was some effect, but much more difficult to make the argument it

led to any sort of pay rise. Jennifer Brown is a midwife from

Manchester who went on strike in 2014, John Leech, negotiation of the

R.N. T, in the dispute over the night service on the London

Underground, and Lauren Garrigan is a junior doctor. She has been in the

profession for eight years. Welcome to all of you. Jennifer, as a

midwife, tell us about the decision you took to go on strike in 2014. It

is the first time in 140 years the midwives have taken strike action,

and it was about making sure that the patients were safe. We did the

four-hour strike, but all patients were still looked after. I took the

strike action the first day, and then the second time, we did take

another strike,... Were you on the picket line? I did, the second time

it was my day off, but I was still there. And why had it got to that

point, why did you think it was such an important issue that this 1% pay

rise which had been recommended by the independent pay review body was

worth going on strike to try and achieve? Because the Government had

turned around and said, we are not going to take any notice of your

independent pay review body, but they took notice of their own

independent body when they got the 11% award. It was an attack on the

whole pay structure, not just about that 1% pay rise. Was it worth it?

We got what we set out to achieve, so it is taking the attack on the

people that are providing the service for everybody else, so they

started with the midwives and nurses, and now they are starting

with the doctors, so yes. John Leach, tell us about the row with

Transport for London, the Tube staff employers. One part that your

feature missed out was the countdown date which was the 15th of September

last year, that was the day that the night tube should have come in, and

they gave us an imposition date that rotors would come in. They also wove

it into the pay negotiations so it became quite difficult, and that is

why in the end the tube drugs happened, because we said, we can't

do that. -- the Tube strikes happened. We need an negotiation

where those who can work nights do, and those who can't, they don't have

to. But they said everyone will have to do it, and we ended up with A.D.

All which says, you won't have to do nights duties if you want don't want

to. And a multi-year deal above

inflation, which also has other features like improved worklife

balance for our members, and that is how we were

able to go for a summer of all-out strike action to a

referendum vote with a massive Yes vote.

The point was they tried to impose change, and therefore we as a union

and together as a group of people and

made the point. been consultations, you might not

have ended up with a strike? Yes, they came to the table with an

imposition date, like it or lump it. The difference with junior doctors,

I have plenty of comments from viewers

which I will read in a moment when I get my

tablet. Your union, the BMA, and the

Government, have been talking for about four years until

the Health Secretary said, enough is enough, I am going to impose this.

The chief negotiator said there is no chance of a negotiated deal now,

that is the difference there. difference, and they have been in

negotiation for a long time, but there has been a reluctance on the

Government 's side to come forward and continue

negotiation when the BMA have specifically stated we

need to negotiate. Imposition is no way to move forward, and I think as

doctors we know absolutely that this contract

is unsafe. just wouldn't be do it. We don't

want to strike. If we were greedy, money grabbing

doctors, we would go away and continue, but this is about patient

safety. Let's not forget that this manifesto

pledge is on models, there is no model for this.

It is an costed, no one knows how much it will cost.

It is understaffed, we are already 23,000 nurses down in this country,

6000 doctors How on earth, please tell me, are we

going to spread our current shortage of staff over seven days much more

thinly when we already have huge rota gap? People will fall through

those holes, and they are our patients. We the

canaries in the mind, shouting from rooftops, please don't do this.

as Prime Minister and stop this. He could stop it today if he wants to,

and the Government need to take responsibility to do

this, because the entire health on this country lives are at stake

because of this. When you hear Jennifer and John talk about what

they achieved through their strike action, does that leave you with

even more ballast? It is heartening to hear from people who have been on

strike, because we have been literally vilified in the press, we

have been smeared in the most horrific ways for doing nothing,

Philip Chouly doing our jobs. Everyday I work a full job as well

as campaigning -- for literally doing our jobs. People have fought

for safety and come forward with the results, and I hope we will. I

wonder where it goes now. The contracts are being imposed, as far

as I am aware, there is no conversation going on between your

union and the Government. This is the third strike, there are more

48-hour strikes planned. Do you get to the point where you consider

withdrawing emergency cover? It may result in that, but isn't it

indicative that is a body of Doc is, this is our third strike, and we are

still maintaining emergency care, this is a very clear sign that we do

not want to pull care. We is certainly don't want to pull

emergency care. Although 5000 operations have been cancelled. And

I would like to apologise to the public and anyone who has had their

operation cancelled today, it is horrific, and we don't want this to

happen, but we have to stop this. The Government have to come back and

stop imposition, because it won't get us anywhere, it is unsafe.

Roy says, I am getting fed up, they have lost their battle, get on with

saving lives. I understand the frustration, and I am sorry, but

please listen to us when we say that this is a short-term inconvenience

which will grossly inconvenienced many people, but it is about

long-term safety. Lives would be put at risk if our doctors are spread

more fiddly. I go to work every day and I have doctors who are carrying

for 200 people. Why? There are gaps. Remember, these are doctors who go

and pick someone off the floor when they have had a cardiac arrest. What

happens when there are 200 patients instead of 100? It is a disaster, I

can tell you, and we have do pay attention to the long-term safety of

people in this country. As doctors, we are patients as well. This is not

about doctors and people being different. I used the hospital. If I

have a road traffic accident tomorrow, I want my doctor to have

rest did well, to have safeguards so they have not worked long hours. We

are not robots or machines, I am at even being, and I think it is an

except aborted kick that as human beings we can

except aborted kick that as human because it won't work, we will

collapse. You are clearly very angry. Let me read some messages. I

support junior doctors even more since the imposition, the government

is displaying arrogant and dismissive tactics. Margie says it

is not just about pay, the strike is about so much more. Ian says the

doctors should not roll over to appease this evil bullying,

incompetent Conservative government. Jason says, I believe the strike

still has the support of the public because we realise that without them

performing at their best, the NHS will crumble on a daily basis. The

fighting for the whole of the NHS. Furthermore, doctors don't just have

the support of the public, they have the support of the majority of the

rest of the medical profession, except the Trust management. Thank

you for your time. Some breaking news to do with the number

of workers on zero our contracts. This is from the office for National

Statistics. The number of workers on these contracts has increased by

104,000 according to the ONS in the last few minutes. 104,000 is the

increase of workers, the total is now 801,000.

Six of the Hatton Garden robbers will be sentenced this morning

for their parts in the biggest burglary in British legal history -

we'll talk to a former armed robber who met two of them during his time

Next - are anti-depressants being handed out too readily

Both the World Health Organisation and the UK's four Children's

Commissioners are expressing concern at a rise in the use of them.

Research shows there was a 54 percent increase

between 2005 and 2012, despite concerns that some

anti-depressants can increase suicidal behaviour.

I remember just telling them it is not working,

and it just seemed, "More medication, that will make

The anti-depressants don't really do much at all.

They take away the lowness but they don't take away

When I was first prescribed antidepressants I was 16.

I wasn't really told the side-effects of

the antidepressants but the problem I found with them was I quickly got

They do say that in the first month the suicidal thoughts are increased.

I was very suicidal, the thoughts were constantly played

in my mind so I was prescribed sleeping tablets and psychotics

to try and dampen down those thoughts while I was getting used

I have a whiteboard on the back of my door where I have to write

everything I'm going to do in the day.

Washing, tidying, taking my medication, I would forget things.

Since I have been prescribed, my short term memory was shattered,

that is one of the biggest impacts for me of my antidepressants.

Fluoxetine, which I was on, it seems to be doled out

I think it's a quick fix thing to keep young people safe

while they are waiting for therapy like CBT or psychological therapies,

because the waiting list is so long, and there is nothing else they can

do in the meantime, so to keep them safe they keep

When I did pick up the courage to say this medication is not

working I felt like I was talking to a brick wall.

They are just like, "let's higher the dose".

Well, the medication is not working already,

how is highering the dose going to work?

If I said something, it was like I was shot down

We can talk now to 20 year old George Watkins

who has depression and has been on medication for it since he was 14

years old and Dr Matt Piccaver a GP who says he tries to avoid

prescribing anti depressants to young people.

This George, take us back a few years, talk to us about the time

when you realise you were not feeling good. Good morning. It

started when I was about 13, I started struggling with the usual

anxiety at school, and growing up, but it was getting out of hand so I

went to see my GP, and he put me on a small dose of beta-blockers first

of all, which did not really do much, so I was up graded on to a

long release one. What were they supposed to do? It is to do with the

heater receptors in the heart and the idea is that it chills you out,

basically, makes you feel less inclined to panic. I felt incredibly

sedated. To the point that I felt I was in a world of my own, it was

terrifying, I started to get really quite scary mood swings, so I went

back to see my GP, and I sort of explain how I was feeling, and he

recommended I go on antidepressants. I was quite excited at first because

I guess it is a relief, knowing there is a potential solution to the

problem but it did not pan out that way. What happened? I have been on

them for five years now, and about six months after I was on them, I

had a full mental breakdown while I was at school in the middle of my

GCSE reparation, and I did not leave the house for six months. --

preparation. I lost a lot of friends and got suicidal thoughts. It was

possibly one of the worst times of my life. It is hard to tell whether

it was a direct cause but I saw the Prozac is definitely not helping.

You continue to take antidepressants now? I do. What affect are they

having on you now? A bit of context, when I came to university in

September, my GP looked at my prescription and was quite shocked.

He consulted with his colleagues and concluded that the combination of

beta-blockers and antidepressants was not doing me any good, and also

I was using an inhaler for seasonal asthma, said a combination of that

could have been potentially fatal. Goodness me. After about six weeks

of withdrawing from the beta-blockers, I'm only on Prozac

now. I should be strong enough in a month or two to come off full saga

macro that is good to hear. When a teenager presents to you feelings of

anxiety or mood swings, as a GP, or lack of self-esteem, what process do

you go through before potentially prescribing antidepressants? It is a

difficult situation because there are many forces which may influence

the person's feelings, we ate at school or home of bullying. A young

person in the 21st century, it is really difficult. I look at the

1990s and it was simple in comparison. It is important to look

at history. I threw every service at my patient before it sticks.

Antidepressants is the last thing I would do... The evidence is pretty

poor for them. 2002, 2003, a committee advised us against the use

of antidepressants in young people. Particularly a class of drug of

which fluoxetine and Prozac is one member. Because of the slight

increase in suicidal thought. The only drug which is licensed or used

in the treatment of depression is fluoxetine, so sometimes when you

only have as an that is what you use. With the huge waiting list and

the length of time it takes young people to see a counsellor for

humble, perhaps you can understand why some GPs will not use

antidepressants as a last resort but something they will reach for

earlier. -- for example. I have chatted with my colleagues and

pretty much all of them have said, don't touch them, use anything else.

Why has there been a huge rise in last years? There was a dip from

2002 when the guidance was issued and an increase from 2005, and that

is what this paper is echoing. The guidance of 2005, the last time it

was updated, it said that in particular places under specialist

guidance, antidepressants treatment is available. I would only prescribe

it to a child or adolescent under the guidance of an expert and the

challenge is getting one. There are gap in provision, lack of funding,

things like that. Apart from counselling and antidepressants,

what else could young people and children do if they are experiencing

anxiety and feelings of depression? I tend to look for the root cause.

The pill is not a pill for a better life and it is those depressive

which are tonnes of wider problems. Social services can get involved. --

symptoms. Local charities can help with people with mental health

difficulties. The charity sector often fills a gap which the NHS

cannot because of funding. Have you got time for that? It is my job. My

wife never sees me. Fair enough. George, you said you were hoping for

another couple of months is taking these drugs for a period of

stability, and then you can come of them. Do you approach it with

optimism or is it something you are worried about? -- off. To be honest,

I feel like I have been pushed to my limits already, and I am relieved of

the possibility to have that chance was I campaign on campus the

the possibility to have that chance to basically get young people to

have a voice over mental health, to try and build up more support based

atmosphere at the University, so we have a support service alongside our

official student support, there is also a well-being Society. I am very

optimistic. I think there is a long way to go but I think it is a good

place to start today. I wish you all the best, thank you for talking to

us, I appreciate your time. Thank you to Doctor Matt. Chris has got in

touch to say that if it were not for you to Doctor Matt. Chris has got in

Sir George Martin and the four boys from the Beatles, I would never have

picked up a guitar. Thank you and God bless. We will talk more about

the impact that George Martin had on the Beatles and various other

artists over the years by talking to those who knew him. It is now time

for the weather. The award-winning Carol Kirkwood! She has been given

an award for being the best weather presenter in the world, is that

right? Only by you, Victoria! I did win an award and it was lovely. Who

gave it to you? The TRIC Awards. A huge honour. You have one back for

the past 15 years, haven't you? I have won it eight times. Listen to

a! Just eight times! On graduation, well-deserved. Lovely to see you.

It has been so wet. This is today's rein in the south of England. Look

what happens after today, there is not much rainfall on the chart.

Spring! As we move further doors, there

isn't so much rainfall around, and over the next couple of days, you

can see still there is going to be some, then that peters out more less

extra week, because high-pressure really dominate our weather. You are

interested in if it is going to be cold or mild, for some of us as we

head into the weekend, it will be mild, but let me show you some

pictures from this morning. Gorgeous in County Down there, and as we move

across into Durham, we do have some rain, lying snow at height, and in

Norfolk, some rain. That is today's story, wet and windy.

I will leave you to it. We do have some heavy rain, it is

torrential and drifting eastwards, and accompanied by some hill snow.

And also some gales. This is the low pressure responsible for it, you can

see the rain coming along at the centre of the low pressure, that is

half the story. There has been some localised flooding, so if you are

travelling, do take care. Very gusty winds across Wales and the

south-west, to 70 mph on the coast. That is now slowly going to ease,

but it is still pretty potent across the Channel Islands, and we have

that combination of wet and windy weather. You can see how the rain

continues across much of England, moving slowly out of Wales through

the morning, and further the North of England and the Northwest,

brighter skies. Scotland will be wondering what all the fuss is

about, we have a fair bit of sunshine, but a little cloud in the

East. As we had on through the rest of the day, this area of low

pressure very slowly drifts towards the east and also the south. The

wind will slowly start to ease, but it is still going to be windy across

Wales and the South West, but you can see how it brightens up,

particularly in the West. Through the evening and overnight, we lose

the low-pressure, pushing south, and we still have a weather front across

eastern parts of England. It is going to be a cold night, these are

the temperatures in towns and cities, in rural areas they will be

lower than that. We could also see some icy patches first thing in the

morning. Here is our weather front first thing in the morning,

producing all this cloud. Most of the showers will fade, but there

will be quite a bit of cloud around. Parts of eastern England and also

the West, we will see at cloud over in western parts of Northern

Ireland. Temperatures are getting in towards double figures once again. A

lot of dry weather across England and Wales, as I was just showing

Victoria there. For Northern Ireland and western Scotland, we are looking

for a rain at times, not particularly heavy rain, but it will

be there nonetheless. Enter Saturday, things will start to

improve of us. As we head on into Sunday, again, a lot of dry weather

around, but just the showers still in the North and West, so things

settling down the touch. Just after ten, I'm Victoria

Derbyshire, good morning.. "The greatest music

producer of all time", "The Beatles were like an orchestra

without a conductor, until he gave them

a shape and a sound." Just some of the tributes

this morning to the news that the man known

as the fifth Beatle - He could translate and suggest a lot

of things: 'look chaps I thought And I came up with this, and we were

like, great, great! He taught us a lot and we taught him

a lot through our primitive music Junior doctors are striking again

today for the 3rd time. But how much support is there for

them? Most viewers are supportive, and we will get more reaction from

you'll it all in the programme. And six of the Hatton Garden robbers

get sentenced this morning for their parts in the biggest

burglary in British legal history - we speak to a former armed robber

who met two of them during his time Good morning. The menus so far this

morning: The man behind the fab four -

record producer Sir George Martin - Sir George - also known

as the fifth Beatle, records over his career,

working with stars such as Dame Shirley Bassey

and Cilla Black. # People living in the world agree

# There will be an answer # Let it be, let it be.

Another junior doctors strike has started in England -

it's the third walkout in a dispute over pay and conditions

More than 5000 treatments have been postponed, but there is still

emergency care. The junior doctors don't fix the Government have done

enough over the disagreement. There has been a reluctance on the

Government's sides to come forward and continue negotiation when the

BMA have stated we need to negotiate. An imposition is no way

to move forwards in the health service, and as doctors, we know

absolutely that this contract is unsafe all.

The number of under-18-year-olds on anti-depressants rose sharply

between 2005 and 20-12 - by 54 per cent.

The World Health Organisation is worried - it says there's 'no

justification' for the drugs being used widely in young people.

Amazon has announced it is to create 1,000 new jobs

They'll include engineers and computing staff.

Buckingham Palace insists the Queen is "politically neutral" over

the referendum on the EU after the Sun newspaper claimed

The Palace says it won't comment on spurious reports.

Plans to relax Sunday trading laws in England and Wales could be

blocked in the House of Commons today.

The Scottish National Party is to join those voting

against the proposals - even though the plans DON'T

The government has accused the SNP of hypocrisy.

The SNP move means the Government could lose the vote.

A baby bonobo ape has been born at Twycross Zoo in Leicestershire.

The zoo announced that first time mother Kianga gave

birth on the 9th of February It's one of only such 11 births in zoos

Police in Australia have said that a British backpacker fought back

with a knife after she was allegedly stabbed repeatedly by her housemate

More on that later on in the programme. Here is the sport now.

Good morning. After five matches without a win

Arsenal beat Hull 4-0 last night It didn't stop some

of the supporters unfurling a banner Arsene Wenger shrugged off

the crticism, saying he's surprised so many

people are judging This was a replay in Hull

after a goaless first meeting. It was easy for the Cup holders

against their Championship Olivier Giroud scored twice -

his celebration marking the fact that he has just become a father

for the second time. Theo Walcott got the other two

goals, the only concern for Wenger, injuries to Per Mertesacker,

Gabriel and Aaron Ramsey. scored his 40th goal

of the season last night, his 13th in Europe, as Real Madrid

made it through to the last 8 Madrid were 2-0 up

from the first leg of their tie against Roma

and matched that scoreline Wolfsburg are also through

to the quarterfinals. Chelsea face Paris St Germain

in the second leg of their tie A new era at Fifa is under way

with Gianni Infantino in charge but investigations

continue into Sepp The French Football Federation

headquarters in Paris was raided yesterday in connection

with criminal proceedings the criminal investigation

into corruption at Fifa say

documents were seized relating to the banned Uefda President

Michel Platini in 2011. This morning a spokesman

for the Kremlin says Russian Sport as whole shouldn't be judged

by Maria Sharapova's failed drugs The five time Grand Slam winner

revealed on Monday that she tested positive for the banned

substance meldonium It was only added to the Wada banned

list at the turn of the year. She said she had been taking it for

ten years. Their former President says she has

been reckless and the manner of her announcement

also surprised him. The shocking part is she simply

admitted she failed the test and was not contesting it. Normally what

athletes do is they say it was a mistake, somebody switch the sample,

but at least she acknowledged she had been caught. As I understand it,

the usage of this drug is topical, and not over long periods of time,

so somebody will have to make a judgment on that. That is it for

now. I will be back at half past ten.

We'll have a close look at the dire state

of the Premier League clubs in the North East

Newcastle and Sunderland hanging on by their fingertips. Thank you.

Throughout the programme we'll bring you the latest breaking news

and as always keen to hear from you on all the stories we're

Lots of you getting in touch to tell us

whether you support the junior doctors strike.

This twitch from David, the main focus is not money, it is working

conditions that create tired doctors and endanger patients. This tweet,

the doctors' strike hurts the public, and the NHS saves a fortune

in wages, the NHS winds. This tweet, I fully support the doctors strike,

it is a disgrace they have been forced into this by the Government.

The strategy has failed, says another tweet, they have lost the

battle. And Tim says, doctors say they will be working longer hours.

Can someone explain how this will be when the new ceiling is 70 hours. I

have never heard doctors or the media explain this. It leads one to

believe it may really be about money, not the patients. Doctors do

an amazing job, but who wants to be treated by someone who has been on

duty for 90 hours? We will talk about the hours more after 1013 --

half-past ten this morning. Do keep in touch. If you are tweeting, use

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watch our programme online - via the bbc news app

or our website bbc.co.uk/victoria. We're talking this morning

about the death of the man known as the fifth Beatle,

Sir George Martin. Tributes have been pouring

in for the record producer Thank you to you for sending in your

tributes. This tweet, the Beatles were the soundtrack to my teenage

years, thank you, George. He defined the role of producer, and without

his work, rock'n'roll would never have gained the credibility that

defined all that came after. I met him a few times, but he never made

meetings feel rushed. He was benign, modest, giving, willing to share and

genuinely a gentleman. There is a moment in a documentary about

Sergeant Pepper where he strips back the track of that Jack Straw Bree

Fields and uncovers the first recording of John's voice. --

Strawberry Fields. He allowed the band to experiment and indulge in

their wildest and most elaborate ideas. It was his decision to put

strings on Yesterday. # Suddenly

# I'm not half the man I used to be # There is a shadow hanging over me

# Oh, yesterday # Came suddenly

# Why she had to go, I don't know # She wouldn't say

# I said nothing wrong # Now I long for yesterday

# Yesterday # Love was such an easy game to play

# Now I need a place to hide away # Oh, I believe in yesterday...

Here in the studio, music journalist Jonathan Wingate, who interviewed

George Martin, and you to know everything about this man, I want to

hear you eulogise. And BBC Radio 6 Music

presenter Matt Everitt. Where do we start with the greatest

music producer of all-time? It is incredible to think about what he

achieved with the Beatles, never mind the fact that he worked with

others like Shirley Bassey and Cilla Black and Jeff Beck. The Beatles

recorded 12 albums in seven years, and he produced 11 of those. It is a

staggering achievement. Every single one of those enormous and creative

jobs that the Beatles made, he was with them, enabling and realising

their ambition in a way else could have done.

He translated their ideas, he came from a classical music background,

and the Beatles were not sophisticated when they met him, and

he was able to pull their theoretical ideas into reality, and

send them off into another planet. Give me an example. The famous

example of when they were recording a macro revolver, possibly the

greatest album of all time, and they were doing Tomorrow to-macro never

Knows. It was left field dance music, and he said to John Lennon,

what you want here, John? He said, I want to sound like 1000 Tibetan

monks on the top of a mountain. George Martin then went away... They

used to wear lab coats in those days, he went away with the

engineers and he came up with the idea to take a Speaker and smallest

around the room on a chain, and that is how you get that swishing

whirling sound. He was able to take their ideas and put them into

reality from their very theoretical ideas. Of course, if you listen to

Yesterday or Eleanor Rigby, they wear his arrangements, so he brought

that classical sophistication to the band that they did not have before

that. He was the fifth Beetle, a lot of people have claimed that and I

don't think they would have been the same cultural force or left the same

mark on the musical landscape give George Martin had not been around.

-- Beatle. I find it funny that he told me that he only gave them an

audition because he felt sorry for Brian +. There is the question of

the faith in the band when he got the audition tape which he was not

keen on. -- Epstein. He drew it out of them and that stayed for his

entire career stop he always had faith with them no matter how

strange the ideas, he would indulge them. They trusted him, that was

important. The Beatles did not trust a lot of people, they were in an

enclosed environment, and is a became those for famous young men,

they continued to trust him and he growled these performances as well.

Getting those people together to record not just those songs but

those performances that capture such a motion, he oversaw that I was able

to do that and they trusted him. We have heard a lot of music he

produced this morning but let's hear some more from him. He was recently

interviewed on BBC Four. Here we as with Paul McCartney. George

Martin... George Madison Martin. Come on, George. Say a few words of

a Christmas market. It has been a switched on year for George and we

hope you appreciate it, here he is. LAUGHTER He won't talk! He won't!

One, two, three... # AULD LANG SYNE a load of lunatics

if you ask me! That is a fan club record if you ask me. Remember that?

Well done. Every year, we take ten minutes of the session time and do

nonsense like this. I had forgotten. We could not get you to speak. So

professional! EMI were such a funny place in those days. We thought of

it as being like the BBC, a huge monolithic corporation but groovy

with it kind of thing. When we went to the toilet, there was this

old-fashioned toilet roll, and on every sheet it had "Property of

EMI". Do they think somebody is going to nick it?! I wish I had one

of those. Then you can remember who it belongs to when you are in there

using it. So good to see the dynamic between them. He is very well spoken

but came from humble beginnings. It was the son of a carpenter and he

grew up in one room in Holloway. He has sort of reinvented himself to an

amazing degree. Everybody thinks of them is coming from a privileged

background. He was in the air force for a while when he lost his Cockney

accent and became a distinguished character. Yes, it suited the

Beatles to have him as a foil as well. He was a straightlaced

character which they enjoyed, and there were stories about when they

indulged in various substances and he had to turn a blind eye. The boys

have just gone off to the bathroom for a while. I love that. In

cultural and business terms, they were the most powerful people in the

entertainment business but they were not allowed to be naughty boys in

the studio in front of their father figure, George Martin. They would go

up to the room to do those things. 1963, songs he produced spent 33

weeks at number one across that year. Extraordinary. Goldfinger by

Shirley Bassey, one of the most amazing pop songs, he did that as

well. Alfie by Cilla Black, a beautiful classic song. A solo with

Paul McCartney as well. Live and Let Die, an epic pop song. He was not

just limited to those records but they were important. The production

is what always perfect, perfect for what was required at the time,

whether he was doing the Burt Bacharach session with Cilla Black,

Alfie, or whether it was Live and Let Die, a pure intravenous shot of

rock 'n' roll excitement, isn't it? He just knew exactly what the right

setting was. We put the frame around the music. He knew what was right

for them. He was resigned to the fact that his career would boil down

to his work with the Beatles, probably rightly so, but if you

think about that other stuff, whether it was Live and Let Die or

Goldfinger, or any other stuff... He also came from a comedy background

which is why the Beatles wanted to sign him in the first place. That is

where he made his name and cut his teeth, making records for Bernard

Cribbins and Peter Sellers and Sophia Lorentz. That is where all of

those with avant-garde ideas came into the music of this soup of

sound. He really had his training making comedy records and Brian +

was mortified at the idea of signing to them. There was the comedy

records and jazz, and classical, and the early sort of performances

coming he had to capture an audience at once in a life record. He had all

this training and realised the potential of these for scruffy lads

LET me read some messages. In my life, he has given me the most

incredible enjoyment as well as millions around the world and

universe. So many people have described him as a gentleman. I had

the privilege of meeting him in the 1970s and worked for an unsuccessful

publisher in the same building and most Fridays, his PA Shirley Woods

invite everybody up to its office for a Friday afternoon bop. He would

sit at his desk working away and smiling but always declined

invitations to dance. It was the most warm-hearted, modest and kind

man I have met. Lots of people have said this. His son, Giles, one of

its poor kids, a record producer, and helped with the later projects

of the Beatles, tweeted a little message saying happy birthday, dad,

proof that a martini a day does you no damage. I think he maintains an

enjoyable lifestyle up until the end. Angry very much. Your tributes

are still welcome, obviously, still e-mail us.

Are Sunday trading laws out of date in modern Britain or is it important

to protect it as a special day for workers who want to spend time

It was one of the most "brazen robberies" Britain has seen for some

time - four pensions with a combined age of 278 plotted and carried out

the ?14 million jewellery raid at Hatton Garden in London.

The gang drilled through a two metre wall of reinforced concrete in April

last year to gain access to hundreds safety deposit boxes after climbing

As our reporter Daniel Sandford discovered it was no easy task:

In this block of concrete we have drilled three 25 centimetre holes

which is pretty much exactly what the men who broke

And having made the holes we couldn't resist seeing how easy

I am told it is possible, but it looks very, very tight.

I am told the best way to do it is to use the Superman pose

so I'm going to put my right hand through first,

Struggling to get my second hand out.

Somebody needs to give me a bit of a push.

Once that hand is out, it is possible.

There you are, it is a quick job as long as you have got the holes,

but I have to say, it is very, very, very tight.

Once inside they stole jewellery, gold and cash, which they later hid

behind skirting boards at various houses.

One gang member even buried several bags of jewellery under memorial

Today a judge will hand out sentences for the audacious crime.

Our reporter Daniella Replh has their story.

When others would be enjoying their retirement,

these four men were plotting a daring heist.

Brian Reader was the one the others called The Master,

and the oldest, he even used a free bus pass to get to Hatton Garden.

The CCTV placed him at the scene disguised as a workman.

Brian Reader appeared in the dock handcuffed to police officers.

Decades earlier the notorious ?26 million Brinks Mat robbery

Then, in his mid-40s, he was sentenced to eight years

in jail for handling stolen gold bullion.

Terry Perkins celebrated his 67th birthday during the burglary.

Here on CCTV, pushing a wheelie bin full of stolen jewels.

A diabetic, he brought his medication in with him.

He said without it he would have been the one taken out in a bin.

Sentenced to 22 years for his part in the ?6 million raid

on the Security Express headquarters in east London.

The detective who helped convict them is astonished

I was absolutely flabbergasted because I would have thought

he would have learnt his lesson and retired and got on with his

property letting, but obviously he decided to have one more go

74-year-old Kenny Collins was the lookout on the night

Although some of the group claimed he fell asleep

He was filmed the morning after, walking away from the scene,

smartly dressed with a briefcase in hand.

He had also helped plan the heist and aftermath and often

Danny Jones was described in court as the eccentric,

a Walter Mitty character who liked to wear a fez and his mother's

He admitted that he had hidden some of the stolen jewellery beneath

family memorial stones at a north London cemetery.

The police found far more than he had revealed.

At 60 years old he was the youngest of the four.

Here on a walkie-talkie outside the vault appearing to coordinate

events, and he too had a history of burglary.

The raid here at Hatton Garden over the Easter weekend

What would make a group of pensioners, even

with their criminal past, take such an enormous risk?

This kind of criminal enterprise gives them excitement,

makes them feel alive, takes them out of the banality

and ordinariness of their everyday lives.

It is that dream aspirational job that everybody in this kind

of world, that kind of underworld, dreams about.

Even at their age they just couldn't resist, but their final crime

This group of unusual suspects now faces spending their twilight

We can speak now to John O'Connor, former head of the flying squad,

the Met Police's specialist armed robbery investigators

and Noel Smith, a former armed robber, who's spent more than half

of his life in prison, who knew two of the robbers -

Why did they do this again? Two of them have been caught and been in

jail. I don't think that would be a deterrent. They would look at the

chances of getting away with it. If the information was good and they

had enough inside knowledge, they would give it a go. These are men

that have Robert Lee got not a lot come from -- probably not got a lot

coming in, they are getting frail, getting into their old age, and they

have taken the risk, and it is a dreadful risk, frankly. If they had

looked at the history of these crimes, they always get caught. What

you mean? These are the major crimes where there are more than two or

three people involved, and they take out a depot for maybe Securicor or a

safe-deposit company, there are 23 that we have had like that, the

Anchor of America twice, the Knightsbridge safety deposit

company, Hatton Garden, they have always been caught. They don't

always get the booty back, but they always get convictions out of it. It

is a dreadful risk to take, and as I heard one journalist described it as

an analogue crime in a digital age, they underestimate the ability of

the police and the ability of the technology that the police have got

access to, enhancing photographs, the use of CCTV, our whole raft of

things that go on, and I think they ignored that, to their downfall.

Gnoll, EU new Terry Perkins and Brian Reading

-- what were they like? Just typical criminals, really, respected. Not

respected now, surely? They have been caught twice? Mac the planning

of the crime was Premiership, and the crime itself was Sunday league

football, but they will lose some credibility, but they spent a lot of

years in jail, and technology pass them by. They were forensically

aware enough not to leave fingerprints and DNA, and wear

masks, but the other side of it, the surveillance, seems to have slipped

by them. Why'd you think they did this? If you are a professional

criminal and you have been doing it all your life, you do get addicted

to it. There is what criminals call the bars. The money is also very

helpful, especially if you are getting into your 60s and 70s, and

you have spent years being a criminal, and a lot of time in

prison, you won't have a pension to retire to, and the money will be

attractive. It is a step down for some of them, they were serious

armed robbers who committed seriously violent crimes with

firearms in the past, and I suppose they look at it as a simple

it, good, and if we don't, it isn't it, good, and if we don't, it isn't

a massive sentence. The maximum guidelines are ten years for

burglary. Some are urging the judge to ignore the guidelines, I'm not

sure that is allowable. I don't think he will. I think they are

probably looking at about eight years, because they need to get some

credit for pleading guilty, although one would have to look at and say,

their backs were completely to the wall, they would be absolutely

stupid to try to fight it and say they were innocent. Can I ask you

about Basil involved as well, who is still at large. The police say they

don't know anything about this person or where he is. You buy that?

Not necessarily. The police are not there to give a running commentary

on their investigation, but I thought it was interesting in the

letter that one of them sent to a television studio saying that he

didn't know the identity of Basil, but she believed he was a retired

senior police officer. That is typical of those scandals to try to

throw the blame somewhere Rasen hope that Scotland Yard would go, this is

far more serious than the robbery, we have corruption here, let's spend

all our resources try to find him. It was nonsense, really. They have

wriggled every which way to try to get sympathy, to try to get a

reduced sentence, they frankly don't deserve it. With their records, they

deserve the maximum with a little bit knocked off for pleading guilty,

and that is what I think will happen.

Thank you to both of you. Junior doctors are striking again, we will

get reaction in the next half an hour.

The man behind the fab four, record producer Sir George Martin,

Sir George, often called the fifth Beatle for his work

with the Liverpudlian band, produced more than 700 records

Back in 1975, John Lennon described what it was like working

# People living in the world agree # There will be an answer

# Let it be. We did a lot of learning together. He had a very

great musical knowledge and background, so he could translate

for us and suggest a lot of things, which he did.

The number of under-18-year-olds on anti-depressants rose sharply

between 2005 and 20-12 - by 54 per cent.

The World Health Organisation is worried - it says there's 'no

justification' for the drugs being used widely in young people.

Amazon has announced it is to create 1,000 new jobs

They'll include engineers and computing staff.

Buckingham Palace insists the Queen is "politically neutral" over

the referendum on the EU - after the Sun newspaper claimed

The Palace says it won't comment on 'spurious' reports.

Two banks have just lost a big case over attacks on bonus schemes.

Deutsche Bank at UBS must now pay up after the ruling. Schemes dating

back to 2004 were intended to avoid tax, but both acts had argued the

bonus schemes didn't break any rules. Those are the headlines.

Here is Ollie at the BBC sports centre. Thank you very much indeed.

So much exciting at the top of the Premier League table, but also

varies while at the bottom, there has always been one club at the

bottom of old, but both have had shocking seasons. Let's bring in

Richard Conway. Would you like to declare a vested interest in this

story? I am from the north-east, but those great BBC Wales of

impartiality leave any club allegiance at the door when you walk

in. It has been a painful season for me this year. Let's start with

Newcastle, for no apparent reason. It has been painful, the fans not

happy with how they are playing. Already looking at the possibility

of a replacement for Steve McClaren? It has been a difficult season for

him, his first season in charge. St James's Park was not a pleasant

place for him on Saturday afternoon, the defeat left them firmly lodged

in the relegation zone, they have ten games left to save the season,

but he is left in limbo. Papers this morning reflecting the fact, calling

on Rafa Benitez, your time, they say. Please save us, the message. It

would be very easy for the club to kill the stories by saying, Steve

McClaren is our man, he is with us for the rest of the season, and they

haven't done that. They have left him hanging, and the feeling now is

that it is simply a matter of time before he is dismissed, and somebody

is Hawtin. The club look like they are approaching people at the

moment, that seems to be the feeling. Difficult times for

Newcastle, they know they have to get it right. The fans certainly

want to stay in the Premier League. I was up there yesterday, Richard

thought I might be heading to St James's Park. And Sunderland, the

shocking way they dealt with the Adam Johnson case. They got a draw

against Southampton at the weekend, looked as though they were on for

the three points, but Southampton pegged the back late on. They are

also fighting relegation, Sam Allardyce determine to try to save

their season as well, but as you mention, that situation with Adam

Johnson has been hanging over the club. You know club is in trouble

when it is on the front and back pages of the papers, Margaret Byrne

resigning yesterday over the way she handled the Adam Johnson situation.

That has been a distraction from them as well, and they will hope now

that they can get on with that, but of course Adam Johnson is due to be

sentenced at some stage, and of course that will come back to haunt

the club once again. Their focus needs to be on football, and they

want to survive, and there is the big time and where Derby later this

month, that will go a long way to determining the future of both

Newcastle and Sunderland. Thank you, Richard Conway, thank you very much

indeed. Before you write in, Middlesbrough fans, yes, you are

doing very well in the championship, every chance you could go up to

replace either Sunderland or Newcastle. That's it from us.

Just had a really gorgeous statement from Sir Paul McCartney about the

death of Sir George Martin. It is long, but it is so worth reading all

of it. This is what he says: I am so sad to hear the news of the passing

of dear George Martin. I have so many wonderful memories of this

great man that will be with me forever. He was a true gentleman and

like a second father to me. He guided the career of the Beatles

with such skill and good humour that he became a true friend to me and my

family. If anyone earned the title of the fifth Beatle, it was George.

From the day he gave us our first recording contract to the last time

I saw him, he was the most generous, intelligent and musical person I

have ever had the pleasure to know. It is hard to choose favourite

memories of my time with George, there are so many. But one that

comes to mind was the first time I brought the song Yesterday to a

recording session, and the guys suggested I sang it solo and

accompany myself on guitar. Afterwards, George Martin said to

me, I have an idea of putting a string quartet on the record. I

said, oh, no, we are a rock 'n' roll band, I don't think that is a good

idea. With the Gentle bedside manner of a great producer, he said to me,

let's try it, and if it doesn't work, we will go with it and go with

your solo version. I agreed and we worked on the arrangement. He took

my cords that I showed him and spread the notes out across the

piano, putting the cello in lower octave and the first violin in a

high octave, and gave me my first lesson in how strings were voiced

for a quartet. When we recorded the string quartet at Abbey road, it was

so thrilling to know his idea was so correct, I went around telling

people about it for weeks. His idea obviously worked, because the song

subsequently came one of the most recorded songs ever, recorded by

Frank Sinatra, and many more. This is one of the many memories I have

he went on to help me with arrangements on Eleanor Rigby, Live

And Let Die, and many more. I am proud to have known such a gentleman

with gentleness and an ability to poke fun at himself. Even when he

was knighted, there was never the slightest trace of snobbery about

him. My family and I will miss him greatly, and we send our love to his

family, to his wife and children and their grandchildren. The world has

lost a truly great man who has left an indelible mark on my soul in the

history of which is music. God bless you, George, and all who sail in

you. That tribute from Sir Paul McCartney on the death of as he says

a great man, a great producer and a man who was like a second father to

him, so George Martin, who has died aged 90. That is a wonderful

statement. Are Sunday trading laws out of date

and unreflective of the way we live our lives in modern Britain

or is it important to protect it as a special day for workers

who want to spend time The Government could face defeat

in the Commons today if it pushes ahead with plans to scrap the law

in England and Wales, large stores to open

for six hours on a Sunday. It's after the SNP said they'll join

Tory rebels in the Commons and vote against the plans -

they say because they want to defend Arguments about Sunday trading laws

have gone on for years now - and no doubt you've heard many times

before arguments about Sunday What kind of impact will it make

on the economy? Let's talk Ralph Patel,

he's been a shopkeeper in Surrey for more than 20 years and is

president of the National Federation of Newsagents and doesn't want any

change in the sunday trading laws in England and Wales,

whereas Raoul Curtis-Machin, who owns a garden design

business and speaks for the Horticultural Trades

Association, is desperate Your gardening and onset is reticent

family holiday. -- gardening centres. We know that our garden

centre owners are unfairly hampered by this law, they are employing

staff anyway on eight-hour shifts during that time. They work the same

hours, it is just they cannot open tills. We just feel it is an unfair

break on our industry. Is there a public demand for people to get to

garden centres at 9am on Sunday, when they can get there at AM?

People do queue up. From what time? 9am stock -- 11am. I was told the

other week that a chap was desperate to build his patio, he was

travelling for a fortnight after that, he needed the equipment, he

was there at 9am with his pick-up truck, he could not believe it was

not open. There is so much confusion about these outdated laws. A lot of

customers do not understand them for a start. Row, why are you against

Sunday trading? -- Ralph. One of the biggest issues facing retailers is

that we have so much legislation, so much red tape that stops us from

carrying on and having a reasonable living, working long hours, on their

own most of the time, the early hours of the morning, the late hours

of the evening. The current Sunday trading laws have been a good

compromise for the last 20 years and there is no reason why we should

change that. There is no demand, there is no consumer group who have

come out and said, we should open 24-7. Nobody is saying that but the

Chancellor thinks that longer trading on Sunday will help Great

Britain's economy. People are shopping online so why not allow

shops to compete with that? There is little or no evidence to suggest

that it will boost the economy and nor is there any evidence to suggest

there will be increased job opportunities. I sincerely believe

that there are so many people who work in the retail industry, a

recent survey was carried out among staff, and they found that 91% were

totally against working additional hours. What would you say to Ralph

and to those MPs who may vote this measure down so it won't happen? To

Ralph, I entirely disagree 100%. In our sector, garden retail, staff

enjoy working Sundays, they always have had the opportunity to opt out,

and very few have exercised that option. Many people who work Sunday

shifts, not a regular Monday- Friday crowd, they want extra hours on a

Sunday. Customers want the extra time. Garden centre staff are

employed for eight hours anyway. We know that for a fact. We have

centres in England and Scotland, they have to go in and water plants,

feed the animals, it is only the tills which cannot open. We find it

grossly unfair that a customer can sit in the car park and order a

plant on their iPad but they cannot buy it physically, which we think is

nuts. It is an analog war in a digital age. We are disappointed

with the SNP stance, having had discussions with them. They do

support relaxation and in Scotland there is no restriction. We gather

that they have requested and want stronger working rights which the

government have put in place so we cannot understand it. Clearly not

enough for the SNP. Denton, thank you for your time.

Junior doctors in England have walked out on strike this morning

It's the third time they've been on strike in a dispute

with the government over whether Saturdays should be counted

The British Medical Association DOESN'T think Saturdays should be

they want docs who work on Saturday's to get 50% extra

But the government says that's not affordable

offering to pay them extra for working Saturday evenings.

So how much support is there for junior doctors over their strike

action and is there any sign of it waning?

A poll by Ipsos MORI for BBC News suggests that around 65%

of people support this latest doctors' strike -

with just 17 per cent of people saying

We've got a group of viewers with us this morning

whose views pretty much match those of that poll...

Welcome all of you, thank you for coming on the programme. OK, tell

us, Rufus, why you are supporting the action? I think the NHS provides

a superb medical care, but I think it is run on the cheap. France,

Germany and the Netherlands spend 11% of their GDP on medical care,

and we only spend 9%, so the government could afford to pay more.

I think George Osborne has decided he wants to cut the NHS and Jeremy

Hunt is doing the cutting. The government would say we are putting

8 billion extra a year into the NHS by 2020. Who doesn't support the

strike? I don't support the strike. As a matter of fact, I don't support

strikes for essential services. I thank God for the NHS because my two

children were brought up as a result of the NHS, so therefore I do

support the junior doctors, the NHS and the services, but I believe what

has happened now is that it has become more personal. It is between

the junior doctors and Jeremy Hunt, so it is moving away from the bigger

picture, actually, and it is now leaning towards a matter of cost.

They say it is a life-saving fact, but a guess on your show earlier

said that there is the possibility that emergency services may be

pulled back, and that is dangerous. Where are you going to go? Did you

support the first couple of strikes? I don't support any. Introduce

yourself. I'm a junior doctor in London and I train for six years,

sorry five years at medical school, two years as a junior doctor, and I

am doing general rotations, 18 month into special lady training. --

speciality training. You talk about the essential services and strike

putting people at risk but one thing to consider is that the staffing

level that will be covered today and tomorrow and the two strikes in

April is exactly the same staffing level that was used in the NHS on

the same day that Kate and William got married, or on any bank holiday

for the Queen's birthday, any royal weddings and other events. And yet

nobody comes to harm them. I don't think 5000 operations were postponed

or cancelled on the daily got married. They were stop -- day. The

same cover was provided on that day as any other bank holiday... I

understand that but I don't think operations were cancelled. They

would have been. I don't remember that Tory. This is my point. I am

Alison, I can't understand why the whole world doesn't support the

doctors. It is a job most of us would not want to do. It is a job

that they have to train for a long time to get to the level where they

earn a decent salary. In my business, marketing, the salaries

are vast, we do not have the same responsibility as doctors. Is strike

action the right way for junior doctors to get what they want? I am

not a supporter of striking but they have tried not to strike for so long

but now they have no choice because it seems like they are not getting

anywhere. Though I work in digital marketing at the University and I

feel very strongly about it. -- I work. It is an essential service and

what they are effectively doing by rolling out contracts, there is no

thought about how they will cost it, they will have the same level of

resulting, doctors are going to start leaving the NHS. --

resourcing. Would you support strike action continuously? Would you

support withdrawal of emergency cover if they got to that? I don't

believe I am in a position to comment on that at the moment. What

is your instinct? My instinct is that it is not right but I don't

think doctors want to do that, last case scenario, but eventually the

NHS be dismantled and they will move towards a more American model. A

private practice. Colling, where are you on this? -- Colin. I agree with

this gentleman. You oppose it? Yes. What should junior doctors do? They

don't want to accept the contract being imposed. They are in a

bargaining position as they order a review. Both sides are playing

politics and a need to get round the table. How do you respond to that? I

wish I knew how to play politics. It is an unsafe and unfunded and

unprepared contract. The big thing being emphasise is that it is unsafe

but I do not buy that. It is about the pay, clearly. The main sticking

point is the salary. As far as unsafe, a representative of the BMA

has said that they are prepared to strike and not cover emergency

services. That is just ridiculous. The NHS says it will be a difficult

few days, they have said that people should avoid going to A and less

they really have to do. This is huge. If you are going to go on

strike, you have to look at the people facing this destruction.

Thousands of people across the UK. You have to justify it to them. Can

I just read... Go ahead. To the people of the UK, we are sorry that

we have to strike, we don't want to strike, we don't want to take that

risk but we are having to because what the government is doing is an

unplanned and unfunded change the NHS that will see you having a

junior doctors spread further across seven days. We currently have wrote

to gaps, we have ships uncovered as it stands for provision for a

five-day service. -- rota. Went back yet spread across a Saturday and

Sunday, you will take longer to be seen, you would be seen by a doctor

who is more tired, who has been working shifts that create enormous

jet lag. I am shocked at the level of cynicism. I wonder if anybody

knows any junior doctors. I know some and they are highly educated,

highly motivated and incredibly underpaid for the level of service

they give is and the level of expertise they have stopped why are

they not accepting what Jeremy Hunt says, a 13.5% pay rise? Junior

doctors have an easier way to get money. I know someone who left the

NHS and he moved into consultancy and his salary doubled overnight.

Isn't it just 1% that increase? It is never about money. Quite often it

is about the money. The money sits on top but underneath people want to

feel they are heard, people want to feel... They have been talking for

four years. Nobody is listening. I am Sophie. I fully support the

strike and I agree with what has been said. The way the contract has

been laid out, it is running the risk of spreading out an already

tight amount of people. There are not enough doctors or nurses, and

what the contract is doing, it is pushing people away from the NHS and

people are looking elsewhere for jobs. How far will your support

continue, how much longer, does it depend on what junior doctors do

next? The emergency care... I am on the fence about it and I think most

people will be. With regards to be strike, I will continue to support

them as long as may be. A couple of comments from people who are

watching. Ryan, I have no sympathy for any of the people striking, they

don't know how lucky they are. Police officers have not had a pay

rise for four years, pension contributions have increased, we

have to work until we are older and 24-7, the strikers have to get

perspective on their position. Junior doctors have my support, they

do not work in isolation, that is Alison. Thank you very much,

everybody, thank you for your company, tomorrow we will look at

the pay of MPs. It's a huge weekend of sport,

live across the BBC.