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I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

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This morning, we bring you rare access to a suburb in Leeds

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which has become the first place in the UK where it's permitted

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for women to sell sex between certain hours.

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Obviously, you don't know what type of manual going to get next. It may

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look all right, but they be nasty. You take a gamble with yourself, at

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the end of the day. Life or death, isn't it?

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But businesses say it's damaging their trade.

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I don't disagree with any scheme in principle

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which supports the safeguarding of vulnerable people.

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Street sex workers are clearly extremely vulnerable people.

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But I don't agree with the manner in which the council and police have

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gone about it because it has forced the problem onto us.

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We'll bring you our full report in the next 15 minutes.

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Plus our top story today - has an age of greater transparency

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arrived when it comes to the tax affairs of politicians?

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Downing Street has accused the media of fuelling a frenzy over the

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controversy about David Cameron's tax affairs? We will talk to a group

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of voters after 10am. Do you want to see elected politicians' tax returns

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published, and what after that? And what's the point of an England

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and Wales only injunction which prevents the naming

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of a married celebrity who had a threesome, when you can find

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that name pretty much anywhere on social media -

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or in Scotland or the States? The identities have been published

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in a major publication in America, it has been published in Australia,

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Canada, New Zealand, probably elsewhere. Scotland, a political

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blog. In this day and age of social media, I think it is a nonsense, it

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makes the law look foolish. Welcome to the programme,

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we're live on BBC Two and the BBC As always, this morning we'll bring

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you the latest breaking news and developing stories -

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and we really want you to get in touch on all the stories we're

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talking about this morning, If you text, you will be charged

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at the standard network rate. And, don't forget, if you've

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got a story you think we should be covering,

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do send it to us. Some of our best stories come

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from you, our viewers. Our top story today,

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Downing Street has accused the media of fuelling a frenzy over

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the controversy surrounding Sources at Number Ten admit that

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mistakes were made over the handling of the row -

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but have criticised the media for misreporting the Prime

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Minister's tax arrangements. With us now is our political guru

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Norman Smith in Downing Street. Give us more detail of what they are

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saying? This will be the first Cabinet meeting since the tax row

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blew up. Ministers will be arriving here, but already you get a sense of

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the recriminations about to begin, particularly number ten pointing the

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finger of blame at the media, who they say misreported Mr Cameron's

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tax affairs and made an explosive claim that Mr Cameron's father had

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set up is optional fund to avoid tax. In other words, they think much

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of the controversy and the headlines were driven by media misreporting.

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Talking to Tory MPs, many take the view that Downing Street was largely

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to blame for the whole row, because they took their eye off the ball,

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because Mr Cameron was too focused on the EU referendum and not looking

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at domestic issues. That follows rows we have seen over the Budget,

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Iain Duncan Smith, disability benefits, Sunday trading. What is

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true is that, despite the rancour that now seems to be directed at

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sections of the media, it seems very difficult now for Mr Cameron or any

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other political leader to try to unwind the mounting pressure for

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greater transparency and, in time, one suspects that pretty much anyone

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aspiring for public office will have to be prepared to make their

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financial affairs public. We will ask a group of voters if that is

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enough for them all if they want more transparency. I just wonder

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where it goes next, Norman? Most obviously, when ministers coming

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here this morning, I will ask them, will you publish your tax returns?

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Individual ministers will be under pressure to say what they will do.

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OK, there may be no ruling demanding they publish their tax returns, but

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perhaps some will, some want. Even at local elections it is possible to

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imagine a situation where some candidates will say, I will publish

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my tax returns, that puts huge pressure on others to publish

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theirs. I think we are at a tipping point, there has been a change in

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levels of accountability and transparency in public life and it

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will be extraordinarily hard, even a figure like William Hague saying

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this morning that it is very difficult to try to turn the clock

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back on this new era, and I expect that in future, pretty much everyone

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applying for public office will have to be prepared to answer why they

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will not publish their financial affairs. Thank you, for the moment.

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As a voter, what else do you want? Or is the publication of a tax

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return, or a summary of it, enough? What do you want, medical records?

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Where does it end? We will talk to voters after ten o'clock, you can

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e-mail us, message as on Facebook, Twitter and the usual. Then Brown

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has the news summary. MPs are to hold an emergency debate

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on Britain's steel industry later after Labour warned its future

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is hanging by a thread. Yesterday Tata announced it had

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reached a deal with a British investment firm that could save more

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than four thousand jobs The Government hasn't ruled out

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co-investing with a private firm to save Tata's Port Talbot site -

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as Simon Clemison reports. The steel industry

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is still standing, While the plant at Scunthorpe

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and other smaller sites have a new owner, a buyer has to be

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found for Port Talbot. The future of the UK steel industry

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is now hanging by a thread. If a suitable buyer is not

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found, there would be In an unusual move, Angela Eagle

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used Parliamentary rules to try and get an emergency debate

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at a time when she had the numbers The government says they have been

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in contact with potential buyers offering help,

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which could go as far Unions want more detail on exactly

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what that would mean, It is a world-class company that

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makes world-class products. Customers want to stay with us,

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but they want to know If the government can give us that

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assurance, give a future employer that assurance,

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then I think the future Tata has been patient

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in the sell-off so far, but the pressure is on to

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find a deal. Tougher new guidelines covering

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cosmetic surgery are being issued by the General Medical Council

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to improve safety, quality Two for the price of one offers

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will be banned and clinics won't be They come in the wake of the PIP

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implant scandal, where nearly 50,000 women in the UK were given

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substandard breast implants. Here's our health

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correspondent Dominic Hughes. Victoria Ashton is one of thousands

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of women in the UK living with the consequences of the PIP

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breast implant scandal. She was given implants that

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contained industrial grade silicone and then failed,

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so she welcomes the new guidelines, There are a lot of cowboys out

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there, hopefully the new regulations They will have to be really

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on the ball, they are popping up You just don't know who you're

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going to be seeing. Fingers crossed it will be good

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going forward, but time will tell. The new guidelines cover

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all cosmetics procedures, They include a ban on promotions,

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patients must be offered a cooling off period and the patient's consent

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must be obtained by Our new guidelines should reassure

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people having cosmetic surgery, they need to know that pros and cons

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and they need to have discussed it with the person who is going

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to take that procedure. At the moment, any doctor can

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perform cosmetic surgery In light of the new rules,

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the College of Surgeons is calling on the government to bring in a law

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to help patients identify doctors who have had the right training

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to carry out cosmetic surgery. This programme has been given

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special access to an area of Leeds which has become the first place in

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the UK where women are permitted to sell sex between specified hours.

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Known as the managed approach, it was introduced in an effort

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Prostitutes can sell their services between seven at night and seven

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in the morning in a specific area without being stopped by police.

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We will be getting more on that story later in the programme.

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Prison inspectors have described one of Britain's oldest jails as rat

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Inspectors found that many prisoners at London's Wormwood Scrubs jail

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spent all day, doubled up in dirty and damaged cells.

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The Chief Inspector of Prisons said conditions at the jail continued

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A Prison reform group said the jail was a scene of Dickensian squalor.

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Here's our home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw.

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Has time finally caught up with one of Britain's oldest prisons?

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Built in the Victorian era, Wormwood Scrubs has had

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Last year, one prison officer said conditions were so bad

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The latest inspection report suggests Wormwood

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Inspectors said their findings were very concerning.

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They said some prisoners were frightened to leave their cells

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because of high levels of violence, rats were found in the prison

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and a rat's nest was found in the grounds.

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The overall conditions were described as poor with dirty,

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damaged cells and unscreened toilets.

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Two cell windows were found to have jagged glass.

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The cell was used by a prisoner assessed to be at risk

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David Cameron made prison reform a priority earlier this year.

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POgogo prisons are not a holiday camp, not really.

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They are often miserable, painful environments.

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The Government plans to sell old jails and build new ones

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instead, but the sale of Wormwood Scrubs has not

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Prison officials said conditions had improved since the inspection last

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December, but acknowledged there was a long way to go.

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Around 7,000 primary and secondary school children in Edinburgh

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will spend a second day away from the classroom today.

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It follows the closure of 17 schools because of concerns

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They were all built or refurbished under a public-private finance

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Edinburgh City Council says it hopes all pupils will be back in schools

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The victims of last year's terror attacks in Tunisia will be

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remembered at a service at Westminster Abbey later on today.

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It was the worst terror attack on Britain's in over a decade, with 30

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being killed. It followed a separate attack in the capital June as macro

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three months earlier. Prince Harry is due to attend the service at

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Westminster Abbey, along with the victims' families and survivors of

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the attack. The Duke and Duchess

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of Cambridge have met the Indian Prime Minister

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on the third day of The informal meeting with Narendra

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Modi to face in New Delhi at a former royal residence of the

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maharajas. The Duke and Duchess are on a seven-day tour of India and

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neighbouring Bhutan, their first visit to both countries.

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A judge in the United States has told rock band Led Zeppelin that

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a jury should decide whether the group stole the opening

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chords to their 1971 classic Sstairway To Heaven.

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They released the tune in 1971, but it is alleged that they lifted

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part of the intro from the song Taurus by the American group

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Spirit which was released four years earlier.

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A trial has been scheduled for 10th May.

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That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9:30am.

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In the next few minutes we'll bring you rare access to the first place

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in the UK where women are allowed to sell sex between certain hours.

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I'd really like you to watch that report and tell us what you think.

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Is it something you'd like to see introduced where you live?

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-- something you could see being introduced?

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Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

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If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

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Here's some sport now with Olly Foster and a big night

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There'll be 53,000 at Manchester City's Etihad Stadium tonight.

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A club record European crowd for their Champions League

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quarterfinal against Paris Saint Germain.

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It's the second leg and it's balanced at 2-2 but those two away

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goals from the game in Paris last week could be crucial for City.

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It is a team that is prepared to score goals, prepared to play. We

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have seen that we need to try to draw 0-0, I think we will lose the

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game, it is not the way we normally play. The same teams that we have

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seen for the last two and half seasons.

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Good news for Manchester United and England as their captain

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Wayne Rooney played for an hour at Old Trafford last night.

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He's been out for two months, missing a dozen games

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He turned out for the under 21s and though he had

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a fairly quiet game, he came through unscathed and may

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now make his return to the first team in their FA Cup quarter-final

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replay against West Ham at Upton Park tomorrow.

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Some important European qualifiers in women's football.

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Wales have just kicked off in Kazakhstan.

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-- Wales are playing in Kazakhstan in the next hour or so.

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England are in Bosnia Herzegovina where a win would take them top

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of their group they had a bit of a set-back last Friday

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in Rotherham against Belgium, where their goalkeeper

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Karen Bardsley had a bit of a shocker.

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That's how the Belgians took the lead but they got a draw

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in the end and there's no issue with Bardsley keeping her place

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Karen has been outstanding for this team. She played in the World Cup

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twice. She is a superb world-class goalkeeper, but every goalkeeper

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makes the odd mistake. Karen bailed us out many a time. She will be

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backfiring again for England. Andy Murray's clay court

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season starts today. He's at the Monte Carlo Masters

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and is due on court about lunchtime against the Frenchman

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Pierre-Hugues Herbert. Murray reached the Australian Open

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final in January but since becoming a dad a week or so later he hasn't

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played very much and He helped Great Britain

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win their first Davis Cup tie of the year but was knocked out

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early in two Masters tournaments I want to play at that level which

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will give me an opportunity to go deep in the tournaments and you

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know, win against the best players which is what I did on the clay last

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year and I never had done that in my career before so last year gave me a

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lot of confidence and I'm hoping I can repeat that form this year.

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That's just about the sport for now. Danny Willett who was the toast at

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Augusta winning his first major at the weekend. He touches down in

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Manchester in the next few hours. I wonder how sore his head will be?

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Thank you for your messages about what you as a voter want to see when

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it comes to public transparency. This from a viewer, "Anybody who

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receives a salary, reporters at the BBC should publish their tax

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returns. This would be truly open and transparent." On Facebook Fred

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says, "I am getting very annoyed with the one-sidedness of this fuss

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particularly over David Cameron's tax arrangements, why is it mainly

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him that's under scrutiny? How about previous Labour leaders and their

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spouses? The whole thing is being blown out of proportion by a

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small-minded Jeremy Corbyn who has no political agenda other than to

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attack the Prime Minister. He is jealous. If I had the money would I

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try to invest legally and pay no or little tax, of course, I would, who

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can say they have never had a cash-in-hand job done for them to

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save a bit of VAT? Who wasn't bought an extra bottle of spirit back from

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holiday? Most of us are guilty regardless of the amount. Before

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throwing stones get out of that glasshouse." This text from someone

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who doesn't leave their name, "When MPs stop getting paid by the public

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purse, benefit claimants would have to declare everything, why can't

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MPs?" Bernie says, "Seeing politicians tax returns isn't the

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answer. Loopholes should be closed and off-shore funds made illegal."

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We will talk to voters after 10am on this programme. Feed into that

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conversation from wherever you are in the country.

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Next this programme goes inside the first district in the UK

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which allows sex workers to walk the streets without being stopped

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by police effectively making street prostitution legal.

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It's in Leeds and it is known as a "managed area".

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The thinking behind it is this, despite the law which bans actively

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touting for business in a public place,

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women and men are always going to walk the streets selling sex.

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So if that's the case, why not try and offer them some

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level of protection and make it safer?

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Under the "street rules", women are free to sell sex and men

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can buy it between the hours of 7pm and 7am so long as they don't drop

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Don't use drugs in the area and don't take part in any

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The scheme has been in place since October.

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Since then a sex worker has died after being attacked

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inside the managed area, a man has been charged with murder.

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We've had unique access to it, spending time with sex workers

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and charities who support them, though no one who was buying sex

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This film from our reporter James Longman contains graphic

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conversations you may not want young children to hear.

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It is seedy and it is not what you want. I want to be very proud of it,

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but I'm not proud of the association that it has got of being a red light

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district. Sex working is a dangerous game

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anyway. You don't know who you're going to come across. You can get a

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nice guy one minute and then you can get a guy who is extremely violent

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the next minute. It was just an awful day. It's one

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of those things like you, you kind of know that potentially it is going

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to happen on your patch. You know, you think to yourself, "Is

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he going to kill you?" It is a dangerous game. It is not worth the

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risk. In a suburb of Leeds, there is an

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area which allows sex workers to walk the streets without being

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arrested. It is called the managed approach, an area controlled by the

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police and the council. A mixture of migrant and British sex workers and

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they have to be over 18. If they ask me for a blow job,

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it will be 30. If they want both, I say to them,

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if you know your maths, add it up. If they want to come back

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to my house it is extras. I tell them it is cheaper to go

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for the hour as I charge 100 quid. On average, how many men

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would you see in one night? When they get older, and they say,

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"how did my mummy die?". "Oh, she was a prostitute".

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It is not nice, is it? Can I ask you, what you

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need the money for? I will give it up one

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day but I've got a lot I take drugs and they help me

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cope, to be honest. This part of town seems

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to be pretty industrial, there are a lot of office

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buildings and warehouses. It seems quite busy, we are quite

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close to Leeds city centre. Traditionally, sex workers in this

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part of town worked The idea is to bring them down

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from those areas where there are families and children,

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to make sure they are working in places where businesses

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are operating during the day, It is just that every time you drive

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to the end of the road you see They will eye you up.

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Not particularly offensive. But what is offensive

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is the debris that's left behind from their nefarious

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activities, which is used I don't disagree with any scheme

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in principle which supports the safeguarding of vulnerable

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people, and street sex workers are clearly

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extremely vulnerable people. I don't agree with the manner

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in which the council Because it has forced

:24:54.:24:55.

the problem onto us. Night falls and work begins

:24:56.:25:06.

in the managed area. Obviously you can see

:25:07.:25:14.

there are no houses here. No.

:25:15.:25:29.

I've seen him before. He tries to get it for a fiver

:25:30.:25:35.

or a tenner, and he knows I tell them, you pay

:25:36.:25:38.

for steak you get steak, I was badly beaten and raped

:25:39.:25:47.

when I was pregnant. It happened on the back

:25:48.:25:54.

streets down there. He's serving a 10-year

:25:55.:26:06.

prison sentence. The area that allows Chelsea

:26:07.:26:17.

to work is controversial In a statement, Safer Leeds,

:26:18.:26:19.

which is the police and council You've seen tonight,

:26:20.:26:30.

in a short period of time, actually, because we

:26:31.:26:54.

haven't been out long. Normally over a three hour outreach

:26:55.:26:56.

we might see about 12. Alongside the authorities,

:26:57.:27:01.

charities like Basis work to keep Emily is a case worker and spends

:27:02.:27:03.

many evenings in Holbeck. We drive around the managed area

:27:04.:27:12.

and outside of it as well, actually. To see if there are any women

:27:13.:27:15.

working, we can offer them a hot drink, condoms, some food,

:27:16.:27:18.

gloves, a safety alarm, those kind of things,

:27:19.:27:23.

and just check people are OK and there's nothing

:27:24.:27:26.

they are worried about. We can take reports from women

:27:27.:27:36.

as well, about anything suspicious or anything

:27:37.:27:38.

they feel concerned about. What has been the

:27:39.:27:39.

difference to this area? Firstly, and foremost,

:27:40.:27:41.

the women have a much better Campaigners say the women are more

:27:42.:27:44.

willing to come forward Before the approach was adopted,

:27:45.:27:54.

sex workers reported only 26% After the pilot scheme came

:27:55.:27:58.

into force reports were up to 51%. Well, sex work still happened

:27:59.:28:07.

in this area before we had But it was hidden and we would not

:28:08.:28:11.

necessarily know where people were. Last year one woman was killed

:28:12.:28:22.

inside the managed area. Daria Pionko was 21 and a sex

:28:23.:28:26.

worker from Poland. She was attacked and later

:28:27.:28:29.

died in hospital. She was really funny.

:28:30.:28:32.

A really friendly girl. The police rang me at seven o'clock

:28:33.:28:38.

in the morning to tell me that somebody had died,

:28:39.:28:41.

and I just went cold. We won't forget her.

:28:42.:28:45.

It was an absolute tragedy. A murder like this might

:28:46.:28:55.

tell people that having It is not completely

:28:56.:28:57.

safe, that is right. It's not completely safe

:28:58.:29:02.

but it is definitely safer and what happened,

:29:03.:29:04.

as a result of the managed area, and the trust now between the girls

:29:05.:29:07.

and the police, people were coming forward,

:29:08.:29:13.

like girls were coming forward, Cars continue to circle,

:29:14.:29:15.

free from police interference. We tried to speak to some of the men

:29:16.:29:23.

picking up women but no one Do you need any more

:29:24.:29:26.

condoms or anything? No, I've got loads

:29:27.:29:43.

of condoms, thank you. Me?

:29:44.:29:47.

I did lots of work tonight. You have been gone

:29:48.:29:53.

an hour or something? Yeah, it doesn't take me long

:29:54.:30:01.

to make money, love. Can I ask how many men

:30:02.:30:03.

you met this evening? Do you play by the rules

:30:04.:30:06.

of the managed area? Yeah, I do, but a car just

:30:07.:30:12.

dropped me off down But he dropped me out

:30:13.:30:14.

there because he said he had to go Risky, you can't do it

:30:15.:30:22.

somewhere like that. What would you do if they got

:30:23.:30:27.

rid of it as a result? It would just go back to the same

:30:28.:30:30.

place, the same thing, wouldn't it? Back to Home Office cautions

:30:31.:30:34.

and back to being locked up and you won't get as many girls

:30:35.:30:37.

out as there would be because you don't want prostitution

:30:38.:30:42.

on your record, do you? But it is better like this,

:30:43.:30:46.

because at least you are They are giving you a time

:30:47.:30:51.

and you have got to stick to it. If you go over that time,

:30:52.:30:59.

you've only got yourself to blame. Yeah, but I do put some away

:31:00.:31:02.

for my daughter. How would you feel if she said

:31:03.:31:12.

to you one day, "Mum, It is 7am, the time when the managed

:31:13.:31:15.

area closes for the evening. You can see, there is a lot

:31:16.:31:36.

of litter, empty Coke cans, You can see people arriving back

:31:37.:31:39.

for work in the morning. It is not really an environment they

:31:40.:31:47.

really want to come back to work to. You can see why people who work

:31:48.:31:51.

around here are not Women like Chelsea would

:31:52.:31:54.

still be on the streets, But the impact some feel the managed

:31:55.:32:04.

approach has had on this area's Protection or prosecution,

:32:05.:32:12.

it is a choice Leeds You don't know what type of man

:32:13.:32:19.

you are going to get next. They may look all right,

:32:20.:32:33.

but they could be nasty. You take a gamble with yourself

:32:34.:32:38.

at the end of the day. A couple of comments, Jan e-mails,

:32:39.:33:06.

finally a worthwhile approach and some common sense regarding sex

:33:07.:33:10.

workers in Leeds, well done. The approach should go national, but

:33:11.:33:15.

there is a very long way to go to get to the point that sex workers

:33:16.:33:18.

have equal rights and proper safety in their working environment. Good

:33:19.:33:22.

on you for covering the subject. John says I believe that soliciting

:33:23.:33:26.

in public places should remain banned, as it is not nice for the

:33:27.:33:30.

people who have delivered work in these areas. At the same time, we

:33:31.:33:34.

should work at legalising brothels as long as they are away from public

:33:35.:33:37.

places. If you live in Leeds,

:33:38.:33:38.

tell us how the scheme If you are a sex worker, what did

:33:39.:33:49.

you think? If you live elsewhere in the UK, would you be alarmed if this

:33:50.:33:51.

came up in your local authority? And if you've used sex workers

:33:52.:33:54.

in the past or do now. As a curb crawler, you will not be

:33:55.:33:57.

arrested in a managed area. And if you want to share that film,

:33:58.:34:04.

you can find it on the programme Still to come: We still can't tell

:34:05.:34:18.

you the name of the married celebrity who's taken out

:34:19.:34:22.

an injunction over reports they had an extramarital threesome

:34:23.:34:24.

but as more and more people find out online, why hasn't

:34:25.:34:27.

it been lifted yet? Is the injection pointless? We will

:34:28.:34:35.

discuss that in the next half-hour. -- is the injunction pointless?

:34:36.:34:38.

A commemoration service for the 38 people who were murdered on a beach

:34:39.:34:41.

in Tunisia takes place in London at lunchtime.

:34:42.:34:43.

We speak to three of those who escaped the gunmen that day.

:34:44.:34:47.

Here's Ben in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:34:48.:34:53.

Downing Street has accused the media of fuelling a frenzy over

:34:54.:34:55.

the controversy surrounding David Cameron's tax affairs.

:34:56.:34:58.

Sources at Number Ten admit that mistakes were made over

:34:59.:35:02.

the handling of the row - but have criticised the media

:35:03.:35:07.

for what the sources say was misreporting

:35:08.:35:09.

of the Prime Minister's tax arrangements.

:35:10.:35:16.

Mr Cameron said yesterday his father's reputation had been

:35:17.:35:18.

MPs will hold an emergency debate on Britain's steel industry later,

:35:19.:35:27.

after Labour warned its future was hanging by a thread.

:35:28.:35:32.

Yesterday Tata steel announced it had reached a deal with a British

:35:33.:35:35.

investment firm that could save more than 4,000 jobs in Scunthorpe,

:35:36.:35:38.

The Government said it would consider co-investing

:35:39.:35:43.

with any buyer who comes forward to try to keep

:35:44.:35:46.

New guidelines on cosmetic surgery will come into force in June,

:35:47.:35:54.

to try to put an end to botched and unethical procedures.

:35:55.:35:57.

Doctors will no longer be able to do two for one offers on surgery,

:35:58.:36:01.

and will have to fully explain the risks of the

:36:02.:36:04.

It's aimed at helping patients identify doctors who have had

:36:05.:36:08.

New guidance should reassure the public that cosmetic procedures will

:36:09.:36:22.

be safer in the future, cars they will know the pros and cons and they

:36:23.:36:26.

can be reassured that the person they met and who disgusted with them

:36:27.:36:32.

will undertake the procedure. -- few discussed it with them.

:36:33.:36:34.

This programme has been given special access to an area of Leeds

:36:35.:36:37.

that's become the first place in the UK where women are permitted

:36:38.:36:40.

Known as the managed approach, it was introduced in an effort

:36:41.:36:44.

Prostitutes can sell their services between seven at night and seven

:36:45.:36:48.

in the morning in a specific area without being stopped by police.

:36:49.:36:51.

We'll be getting more on this story later in the programme.

:36:52.:36:57.

Figures just out show inflation is up. The CBI, the rate at which

:36:58.:37:06.

prices are going up, rose 205% last month, up from 0.3% in February. --

:37:07.:37:11.

rose by 0.5% last month. Prison inspectors say one

:37:12.:37:13.

of Britain's oldest, and most notorious, jails has become

:37:14.:37:15.

more unsafe and squalid, with conditions that wouldn't be out

:37:16.:37:17.

of place in a Dickens novel. Inspectors at Wormwood Scrubs

:37:18.:37:20.

in west London called the jail rat-infested and overcrowded,

:37:21.:37:22.

with most prisoners spending less than two hours a day

:37:23.:37:24.

out of their cells. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:37:25.:37:30.

News - more at 10am. Here's some sport now

:37:31.:37:33.

with Olly Foster, and a big night There'll be a record European crowd

:37:34.:37:36.

at Manchester City tonight as they look to reach

:37:37.:37:40.

the Champions League semi-finals. It's 2-2 heading into the second leg

:37:41.:37:43.

of their tie against Wayne Rooney returned to action last

:37:44.:37:45.

night after two months He played for an hour

:37:46.:37:49.

for Manchester United's Under 21s. He could play in the FA Cup

:37:50.:37:55.

against West Ham tomorrow. Andy Murray's clay court

:37:56.:37:58.

season starts today. The world number two is at

:37:59.:38:00.

the Monte Carlo Masters and he's due No doubt you've read the story

:38:01.:38:03.

about that well-known married couple who've taken out an injunction

:38:04.:38:15.

to prevent The Sun on Sunday from publishing a story

:38:16.:38:18.

about the extramarital threesome If you're in England and Wales

:38:19.:38:20.

that's all your supposed to know because the injunction

:38:21.:38:25.

prevents the media from The names have been published

:38:26.:38:27.

legally in the United States and Scotland, a political blog has

:38:28.:38:31.

named them too. Meanwhile the Speaker of the House

:38:32.:38:34.

of Commons has banned MPs at Westminster from revealing

:38:35.:38:37.

the identity of the couple too. Here's what we can tell

:38:38.:38:39.

you about the story. The case has left some arguing that

:38:40.:40:07.

injunctions are now out Let's hear from Charlotte Harris,

:40:08.:40:10.

a partner at the law firm Kingsley Napley -

:40:11.:40:13.

she's represented people who've taken out injunctions

:40:14.:40:15.

against the media and Paul Connew, a former editor of the Sunday

:40:16.:40:17.

Mirror, who's had a number What's the public interest argument

:40:18.:40:20.

for publishing this story? I think the public's right to know

:40:21.:40:39.

the celebrity in question is someone who has given the impression that

:40:40.:40:47.

they were in a happy marital relationship that involved Fidelity,

:40:48.:40:53.

and I think it is a very dangerous situation where the public are not

:40:54.:40:56.

allowed to know, particularly in this day and age when I am sure

:40:57.:41:01.

probably half of your viewers at the very least already know who we are

:41:02.:41:05.

talking about, even if Charlotte and I didn't know, we could take our

:41:06.:41:09.

phones out of our pockets and find out within seconds. It has been

:41:10.:41:15.

published in a major publication in America, it has been published in

:41:16.:41:22.

Australia, Canada, New Zealand... Scotland, a political blog. And in

:41:23.:41:27.

this day and age of social media, I think this is a nonsense, it makes

:41:28.:41:31.

them all look foolish. What is the public interest in public --

:41:32.:41:39.

publishing the story. There is none at all. The Court of Appeal looked

:41:40.:41:44.

at it closely. What we were talking about with monogamy, at some point

:41:45.:41:48.

in 2007 this couple may have made a couple of references to monogamy.

:41:49.:41:54.

Now, in the autonomy of your own relationship with your partner, you

:41:55.:41:59.

may decide privately together after a few years that, actually, you

:42:00.:42:03.

might want to conceptually opened things up, have a different sort of

:42:04.:42:10.

relationship. At what point are you supposed to make a public

:42:11.:42:13.

announcement saying I want to correct this position, I want to go

:42:14.:42:17.

to the Press Association just in case somebody in the future tries to

:42:18.:42:21.

sell a story on says we are hypocritical, even if you had, the

:42:22.:42:25.

newspapers would say you have waived your right to brevity, you have

:42:26.:42:29.

talked about your sex life in public. That is a nonsense. -- waved

:42:30.:42:34.

your right to brevity. Some of our viewers might not be aware of the

:42:35.:42:40.

intricacies of the Appeal Court judgment. The sun on Sunday said we

:42:41.:42:42.

should be able to publish this because it will correct this false

:42:43.:42:47.

image of this happy, committed married couple. The Appeal Court

:42:48.:42:51.

said that loving, committed and married does not necessarily mean

:42:52.:42:57.

another mess. The couple, in the court papers, argued that they are

:42:58.:43:01.

in an open relationship, so there is no public interest in publishing

:43:02.:43:08.

this. Why do you not accept that? And original High Court judge found

:43:09.:43:13.

in favour... But it was overturned. I suspect that whatever might emerge

:43:14.:43:18.

in the House of Commons, I think the supreme court, where I am sure the

:43:19.:43:23.

sun on Sunday will go, may well overturn the Appeal Court.

:43:24.:43:33.

Charlotte, what is the point in an injunction against this in Scotland

:43:34.:43:40.

when you can read this in the US and Scotland? -- an injunction against

:43:41.:43:46.

this in England? Privacy injunctions are very rare now. We are looking at

:43:47.:43:53.

the lesser of two macro evils. If you went and sought out that

:43:54.:43:57.

information, and I know you say that we could look in our pockets if we

:43:58.:44:00.

wanted to, those people can't be bothered. You described it as a

:44:01.:44:05.

major publication in America, I would say it is not, it is not

:44:06.:44:09.

mainstream, even in America where it was published, it was not picked up

:44:10.:44:14.

his people were not interested in it. You could say many things are a

:44:15.:44:19.

nonsense just because they cannot be fully prevented. Whilst people may

:44:20.:44:23.

be able to if they can be bothered to seek out this information look

:44:24.:44:28.

for it, the Daily Mail, the Sun and the other tabloid newspapers have

:44:29.:44:31.

not been allowed to put their own spin on it with a spread with no

:44:32.:44:36.

dead pretty unsympathetic pictures. It has mitigated the damage, and I

:44:37.:44:42.

think that is an important thing and a good result. You sometimes work on

:44:43.:44:48.

behalf of clients who want to bring injunctions to stop the media

:44:49.:44:53.

publishing certain details, usually about their private lives. Why is

:44:54.:44:57.

that considered wise when we saw what happened with Ryan Giggs, at

:44:58.:45:00.

some point you reach a tipping point and everybody publishes it? This has

:45:01.:45:07.

been the first injunction since 2011, they are very rare, and the

:45:08.:45:10.

reason they are so Ryan is because we this debate, you got it draws

:45:11.:45:18.

attention. -- and the reason they are so rare. Doesn't it lead to so

:45:19.:45:22.

much interest that it leads to the celebrities being named? If I had

:45:23.:45:29.

the choice and I was in the position that the claimants have found

:45:30.:45:31.

themselves in, I would still prefer that the publication was limited. I

:45:32.:45:37.

would want to, and this is really important, defend my privacy rights,

:45:38.:45:42.

defend my human rights. Why should I say, if it will be difficult and it

:45:43.:45:47.

will only mitigate my circumstances, I will just throw those rights away?

:45:48.:45:51.

Where will that leave that couple, moving forward? You buy the argument

:45:52.:45:55.

of the right to brevity and protecting the young children?

:45:56.:46:00.

Well, one of the hats I wear is a PR advisor. I would not advice anybody

:46:01.:46:09.

who is a client of mine to take this course of action because it has

:46:10.:46:15.

caused more public interest than it otherwise would have done and is

:46:16.:46:22.

going to make it last longer and it was always going to be ineffectual

:46:23.:46:26.

in the social media age. So the argument of young children being

:46:27.:46:29.

harassed in the short-term or the long-term, it doesn't matter to you?

:46:30.:46:33.

I think that is important, but I think we can be careful that that in

:46:34.:46:38.

itself doesn't become, if you like, a regular weapon used by people

:46:39.:46:43.

seeking injunctions. I don't think, I don't think that protecting the

:46:44.:46:48.

children can take precedence over freedom of speech. OK. Can I sorry,

:46:49.:46:53.

it hasn't. The Court of Appeal looked at this. They said it was

:46:54.:46:58.

trite law to say you could hide behind your children. What they can

:46:59.:47:02.

do and what it is right to do, is to take factors of third parties into

:47:03.:47:06.

account such as children. Again, a matter of autonomy, why shouldn't

:47:07.:47:09.

you be able to choose when you tell your children what sort of

:47:10.:47:12.

relationship you're in. A final thought from both of you. Do you

:47:13.:47:16.

expect the couple to be named openly in the media in England and Wales in

:47:17.:47:20.

the next week or two weeks, a month? I hope not. I don't think so. I

:47:21.:47:25.

think, yes, they will be either because of a different ruling by the

:47:26.:47:30.

courts or that some MP will actually name them in the Commons. And defy

:47:31.:47:35.

the Speaker of the House of Commons who is trying to ban that. Thank you

:47:36.:47:41.

both very much for coming on the programme.

:47:42.:47:47.

Send me an e-mail if you are in the slightest bit bothered about knowing

:47:48.:47:52.

who the couple are or if you have already Googled and found out, you

:47:53.:47:55.

can at: A couple of comments already.

:47:56.:48:00.

Let me look at these, Jemma says, "Who cares what celebrity had a

:48:01.:48:05.

threesome, good on them. Bore off. There is more important news to

:48:06.:48:09.

report on." Paul says, "More people are interested in the story because

:48:10.:48:12.

of the injunction. A waste of time that makes a mockery of the law."

:48:13.:48:17.

Coming up, the RSPCA investigate 400 cases of animal abuse each day,

:48:18.:48:20.

but should they prosecute those cases as well?

:48:21.:48:22.

Some say they aren't impartial enough and the wrong people

:48:23.:48:24.

MPs begin investigating the RSPCA's powers today, we will talk to one of

:48:25.:48:35.

those MPs. A commemoration service will be held

:48:36.:48:39.

later today for the victims of the terrorist attacks

:48:40.:48:42.

in Tunisia last year. 38 people died, most of them

:48:43.:48:44.

British holidaymakers, when a gunman opened fire

:48:45.:48:46.

on a beach in Sousse. As holidaymakers fled

:48:47.:48:48.

for their lives, Tunisian student Seifeddine Rezgui

:48:49.:48:50.

continued his attack entering the hotel complex

:48:51.:48:51.

through the pool area. So-called Islamic State admitted

:48:52.:48:53.

responsibility for the massacre. Ellie Mackin and her friend

:48:54.:49:01.

Debbie Horsfall were on the beach in Sousse that day and will be

:49:02.:49:04.

going to the service Maxine Midgley, who also saw

:49:05.:49:06.

the gunman shooting and killing people indiscriminately,

:49:07.:49:10.

has decided not to attend. She's worried that the terror threat

:49:11.:49:13.

in London is too high to risk her Thank you all very much for coming

:49:14.:49:28.

on the programme. Ellie, how are you feeling about today? A little bit

:49:29.:49:33.

anxious, but I feel, for me, it is a must that we, me and Debbie to

:49:34.:49:39.

attend just, just to show our respect to other families that lost

:49:40.:49:44.

their lives and just for us to take a step forward. What about you

:49:45.:49:48.

Debbie, how are you feeling about today? Very much the same as Ellie,

:49:49.:49:51.

we are here solely to pay our respects to the people that didn't

:49:52.:49:55.

make it. We are lucky enough to have come back and we're lucky enough to

:49:56.:50:00.

be able to be there today. Maxine, thank you for talking to us. Tell us

:50:01.:50:05.

a little bit more about your anxieties concerning today? To be

:50:06.:50:12.

quite truthful I do feel for the families that have lost the

:50:13.:50:19.

families, friends, it is hard, but farce I'm concerned, it is for me

:50:20.:50:26.

own safety. They don't know whether they're going to strike again or

:50:27.:50:29.

when they're going to strike and as far as I'm concerned I don't think

:50:30.:50:35.

anybody can look after our safety, anybody because obviously it

:50:36.:50:39.

happened in Tunisia, there were bereavement there and at the end of

:50:40.:50:43.

the day, I think it is just too, it has been made too public. Is it just

:50:44.:50:50.

the capital of the UK that you worry about or is it big cities generally

:50:51.:50:54.

across Europe? What would you say? I think it is everywhere to be quite

:50:55.:50:59.

truthful. There is Paris, there is Brussels. There has been that much

:51:00.:51:05.

with Isis and everything else, to me they're just, it is either lack of

:51:06.:51:11.

communication or there is not enough intelligence, but it's, it just

:51:12.:51:16.

scares me too much. I'd like to have gone, but I was too scared because

:51:17.:51:23.

they just can't guarantee my safety. You and your partner Richard and

:51:24.:51:28.

your daughter were on the beach when the killings happened and you

:51:29.:51:32.

managed to hide, I think, in a shop for several hours. How has what you

:51:33.:51:37.

experienced that day affected you and your family? It has affected me

:51:38.:51:51.

most, I think. Now, we have all had counselling and Richard seems to be

:51:52.:51:56.

OK, Briton win, we try to keep a lot of things away from brom win, but

:51:57.:52:04.

she is old enough to watch telly and she reads papers and things, but, it

:52:05.:52:10.

is just, you didn't know when they are going to strike next, to me,

:52:11.:52:15.

nobody can guarantee my safety. Debbie and Ellie, can I ask you, of

:52:16.:52:23.

your recollections of that day? Obviously we were on the beach,

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weren't we? And I just happened to look to the side of me and there he

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was. I literally just shouted and screamed to everybody where we were

:52:36.:52:39.

sunbathing and just ran as quick as we could. Ran into the hotel and

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tried to hide, me and Debbie actually got split up so throughout

:52:45.:52:48.

the whole of the duration when he came towards our hotel, we didn't

:52:49.:52:53.

know where each other were and we didn't until later on that

:52:54.:52:56.

afternoon. So we didn't know whether we were alive or not, yeah. And what

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about you, Debbie? I was lucky enough not to see the gunman. I

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mean, well, I guess it was lucky that you stood up at the time that

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you did and for her to shout. I've never moved so fast in my life. I

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just jumped up, grabbed all my things and ran up to our hotel, but

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even then, it was still terrifying because you knew that, we knew that

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he was there. Nobody in the hotel knew what was going on. None of the

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staff, you know, had any idea what was happening. Did you hear shots?

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We heard it all, didn't we? I think at that point, I had kind of lost

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like hearing of everything. It was just a case of just run. Yeah, I

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think by that time, you can still hear it and you know, now I think,

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even loud noises and bangs and stuff, we are still very startled

:53:53.:53:56.

and I'm sure other people are experiencing that as well, but when

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you're, you've never through anything like that before and

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hopefully never anything like that again, but as soon as you're

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running, you're not aware of what's going on, you just want to hide and

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you want to be hiding in the best place possible where all four walls

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were and that's literally. Even then, I didn't feel safe until

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afterwards. Until we found out he had been shot. How do you reflect on

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what you experienced and how does it affect your daily life? I think we

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both take, I definitely do, take each day as it comes. Some days I

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have great days and other days I have not so great days and you

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know... We stop taking things for granted. Absolutely, you appreciate

:54:42.:54:46.

more things on a daily basis that you wouldn't have. Little things you

:54:47.:54:50.

would normally complain about, they are no longer worth complaining

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about. Yes. Maxine I'm guessing you have good days and you have bad

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days? Yeah, that's it. I'm very similar to the other two girls and I

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understand, it is unbelievable, you can't explain sometimes because it

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is that upsetting and it is like, I try and focus that I'm here to tell

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the story. It is so difficult. I don't think, nobody will ever get

:55:19.:55:23.

over what happened in Tunisia. We will just manage and find it a

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little bit easier to keep thinking about it and things like that, but

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we'll never forget. Never. How old is your daughter now? She is 15.

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Yes. And do you talk about it? Are you open about it? Do you and your

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partner keep your thoughts to yourselves? As a family, I always

:55:46.:55:50.

ask her to see if she is OK and things like that, but she has

:55:51.:55:54.

started bottling a few things up when she went back into school and I

:55:55.:56:01.

thought she was getting a bit withdrawn. So I went up to the

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school and explained things at school because unfortunately they've

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changed the head of the year and they didn't know the situation what

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happened in Tunisia. Her dad had to go up to school and put that to them

:56:20.:56:24.

what had happened because it was a new deputy head as well. But then

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they felt a bit embarrassed because they fetched it up in assembly at

:56:31.:56:37.

school. I said to Bronwny, don't be embarrassed, it wasn't our fault.

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We're here to tell the story, but unfortunately, there were fatalities

:56:45.:56:49.

and Bronwyn does get quite emotional, but she seems to be,

:56:50.:56:55.

well, we were concerned because to me she was like getting a bit

:56:56.:56:59.

withdrawn and she weren't going out with friends. So we were trying to

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make activities at home to try and occupy her mind and then she has

:57:07.:57:13.

sleep-overs and things now so she is like and then I had a word with her

:57:14.:57:18.

and asked her if there were any problems and she would just keep

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saying she just can't believe we were actually on that beach when

:57:23.:57:25.

that shooting and everything happened and she just said, "Why

:57:26.:57:30.

weren't police allowed to shoot him?" I says, "I don't know Bronwyn

:57:31.:57:38.

and she seems to be asking that question a lot. If there were armed

:57:39.:57:43.

police on horses on the beach, why weren't they allowed to shoot him?

:57:44.:57:50.

They had the, those police could have shot him, but and then a

:57:51.:57:55.

soldier had to, who had been in the army, he took the gun, but it like

:57:56.:58:01.

backfired and they couldn't get it to work or he would have been dead,

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it was just as simple as that, but why weren't they allowed to? I know

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it is a question I heard other survivors raise before. Thank you

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for coming on the programme. I appreciate your time. Ellie and

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Debbie, thank you for coming in. Coming up, our audience of voters

:58:17.:58:32.

have arrived. How much they care about the tax affairs of our

:58:33.:58:35.

politicians, how much they want to know about what politicians earn,

:58:36.:58:40.

and what else they need to know. Do they want medical records? Or are

:58:41.:58:45.

the tax summaries enough and is the media partly to blame as Downing

:58:46.:58:49.

Street suggested this morning. Lots of you getting touch regarding our

:58:50.:58:52.

report on sex workers on that area in Leeds where women can work as sex

:58:53.:58:57.

workers without fear of prosecution as long as they don't break the

:58:58.:59:00.

particular conditions set down. Joseph said, "Sex working is a trade

:59:01.:59:04.

as old as time and making it regulated makes it safer. Offering

:59:05.:59:08.

advice, help and treatment when asked for will reduce disease." ."

:59:09.:59:14.

Georgia, "Tolerated zones are a step in the right direction, as it stands

:59:15.:59:19.

sex workers have no rights and it is such a dangerous area to work in. I

:59:20.:59:25.

believe the ultimate aim would be for full decriminalisation of

:59:26.:59:29.

prostitution and the legal aidsation of brothels which are safer, girls

:59:30.:59:33.

can work together, and have rules such as making men wear condoms and

:59:34.:59:39.

they can have safety buttons installed in the rooms. Regulation

:59:40.:59:47.

would be a good thing such as regular STDI checks." More on that

:59:48.:59:50.

later on in the programme. The news and sport is on the wayment before

:59:51.:59:52.

that, the weather. Here is Alex. of the right to brevity and

:59:53.:59:56.

protecting the young children? Some big contrasts with the weather

:59:57.:00:06.

today, just like yesterday. A cracking sunrise in Worthing, lots

:00:07.:00:10.

of blue skies available, but not all the coasts are enjoying each

:00:11.:00:16.

weather, East Anglia, for example, is grey and damp. It will get

:00:17.:00:20.

brighter through the day, but other areas will stay rather drab thanks

:00:21.:00:25.

to this area of low pressure anchored to the south-west for a

:00:26.:00:29.

time, it is not moving far, meaning the weather is very static. Under

:00:30.:00:33.

this weather front, it will be a grey day. That lies across Northern

:00:34.:00:37.

Ireland, southern Scotland and northern England. It brought the

:00:38.:00:41.

rain to eastern parts of the Midlands this morning and East

:00:42.:00:45.

Anglia, that only slowly petering out here. The rain returning across

:00:46.:00:50.

north-east England, sticking to central and southern Scotland. Some

:00:51.:00:53.

sunshine in the south, but we will see heavy showers from lunchtime. It

:00:54.:00:59.

will be hit and miss but we could see intense downpours. The far

:01:00.:01:02.

north-west of Scotland staying dry and bright, grey and cool in the

:01:03.:01:07.

east coast. There is that zone of wet weather, much dollar and damp

:01:08.:01:11.

across central Scotland compared to yesterday, and the north-west

:01:12.:01:14.

England, it got to 17 degrees in black rule, we will be struggling

:01:15.:01:21.

into single figures. We have intense, heavy showers in the

:01:22.:01:25.

south-west, but hit and miss, not everywhere will catch one, there is

:01:26.:01:29.

a decent chance you might stay dry and hang on to the sunshine,

:01:30.:01:32.

particularly on to the south coast. The showers will fade away this

:01:33.:01:36.

evening but the area of rain sticks across eastern Scotland and

:01:37.:01:40.

north-east England. Six or seven is the low, mist and fog forming in the

:01:41.:01:46.

south. Again, it should tend to disappear. Quite a bit of sunshine

:01:47.:01:50.

across England and Wales tomorrow, Shell is in the south-west becoming

:01:51.:01:53.

more widespread, wet weather persisting across the far north east

:01:54.:01:58.

of England -- showers in the south-west. The temperature is

:01:59.:02:02.

suppressed to six or 7 degrees, but 17 as possible in the sunshine in

:02:03.:02:07.

the south. We keep this low pressure down to the south-west even into

:02:08.:02:11.

Thursday, there is a scrap going on, high pressure to the north, low

:02:12.:02:16.

pressure to the south. The lower in the south is trying to bring milder

:02:17.:02:20.

air, the high further north is trying to bring cold down from the

:02:21.:02:25.

north. It is a bit of a scrap, and we will continue with that for the

:02:26.:02:29.

rest of the week. The warmest weather in the South, there will be

:02:30.:02:36.

heavy showers around, the coolest consist -- conditions persisting

:02:37.:02:39.

across the North. That is it, good afternoon.

:02:40.:02:41.

I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme

:02:42.:02:42.

We have been bringing you rare access to the first place in the UK

:02:43.:02:52.

where women can sell sex in a public place without being arrested.

:02:53.:02:57.

Obviously you don't know what type of man you're going to get next,

:02:58.:03:00.

and they may look all right but they could be nasty.

:03:01.:03:03.

So you take a gamble with yourself at the end of the day.

:03:04.:03:07.

We will talk to one sex worker who uses the managed area life before

:03:08.:03:16.

11am. to blame for keeping David Cameron's

:03:17.:03:18.

tax affairs in the headlines for the past week -

:03:19.:03:22.

are they right, or do you want to know what elected

:03:23.:03:24.

politicians earn and how We talk to a group

:03:25.:03:26.

of viewers shortly. We'll ask what else they want to

:03:27.:03:32.

know about politicians, if their tax affairs are enough or if they wanted

:03:33.:03:36.

medical records and whatever else. Your views are welcome wherever you

:03:37.:03:40.

are in the country. Should the RSPCA be allowed to

:03:41.:03:43.

prosecute people they say have abused animals? Some say they are

:03:44.:03:47.

not objective enough and the wrong people are sometimes taken to court.

:03:48.:03:52.

MPs begin to investigate the powers of the RSPCA today. We will talk to

:03:53.:04:01.

one of those later. It is three minutes past ten.

:04:02.:04:02.

Here's Ben Brown in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:04:03.:04:05.

Downing Street has accused the media of fuelling a frenzy over

:04:06.:04:08.

the controversy surrounding David Cameron's tax affairs.

:04:09.:04:10.

Sources at Number Ten admit that mistakes were made over

:04:11.:04:13.

the handling of the row - but have criticised the media

:04:14.:04:16.

for what the sources say was misreporting

:04:17.:04:18.

of the Prime Minister's tax arrangements.

:04:19.:04:20.

Mr Cameron said yesterday his father's reputation had been

:04:21.:04:22.

And we'll have more on this in our audience debate

:04:23.:04:28.

MPs will hold an emergency debate on Britain's steel industry later,

:04:29.:04:33.

after Labour warned its future was hanging by a thread.

:04:34.:04:36.

Yesterday Tata steel announced it had reached a deal with a British

:04:37.:04:39.

investment firm that could save more than 4,000 jobs in Scunthorpe,

:04:40.:04:41.

The Government said it would consider co-investing

:04:42.:04:46.

with any buyer who comes forward to try to keep

:04:47.:04:48.

Figures released in the last half hour show inflation is rising.

:04:49.:04:59.

The rate at which prices are going up - the CPI -

:05:00.:05:02.

rose to 0.5% last month, up from 0.3% in February.

:05:03.:05:15.

Most of the increase was down to higher airfares and clothing prices.

:05:16.:05:19.

New guidelines on cosmetic surgery will come into force in June,

:05:20.:05:22.

to try to put an end to botched and unethical procedures.

:05:23.:05:24.

Doctors will no longer be able to do two for one offers on surgery,

:05:25.:05:28.

and will have to fully explain the risks of the

:05:29.:05:30.

It's aimed at helping patients identify doctors who have had

:05:31.:05:34.

New guidance should reassure the public that cosmetic procedures

:05:35.:05:45.

will be safer in the future, because they will know the pros

:05:46.:05:48.

and cons and they can be reassured that the person they met

:05:49.:05:50.

and who disgussed it with them will undertake the procedure.

:05:51.:05:53.

And we'll be putting your queries to a consultant plastic surgeon

:05:54.:05:59.

later on about the new regulations at 11:30 this morning.

:06:00.:06:02.

You can send in your questions to us using the hashtag #bbcaskthis

:06:03.:06:05.

This programme has been given special access to an area of Leeds

:06:06.:06:13.

that's become the first place in the UK where women are permitted

:06:14.:06:16.

Known as the managed approach, it was introduced in an effort

:06:17.:06:22.

Sex workers can sell their services between seven at night and seven

:06:23.:06:26.

in the morning in a specific area without being stopped by police.

:06:27.:06:34.

Prison inspectors say one of Britain's oldest,

:06:35.:06:36.

and most notorious, jails has become more unsafe and squalid,

:06:37.:06:39.

with conditions that wouldn't be out of place in a Dickens novel.

:06:40.:06:42.

Inspectors at Wormwood Scrubs in west London called the jail

:06:43.:06:44.

rat-infested and overcrowded, with most prisoners spending less

:06:45.:06:46.

than two hours a day out of their cells.

:06:47.:06:48.

Inspectors said many inmates were doubled up in dirty and damaged

:06:49.:06:56.

cells. A prison charity has described it as a scene of

:06:57.:07:04.

Dickensian squalor. The founders of led Zeppelin, Robert Plant and Jimmy

:07:05.:07:10.

Page, are facing a copyright battle over the 1971 classic Stairway To

:07:11.:07:11.

Heaven. A judge in the United States has

:07:12.:07:16.

told rock band Led Zeppelin that a jury should decide

:07:17.:07:19.

whether the group stole the opening chords to their 1971

:07:20.:07:22.

classic Stairway To Heaven. They released the tune in 1971,

:07:23.:07:24.

but it is alleged that they lifted part of the intro from the song

:07:25.:07:27.

Taurus by the American group Spirit which was released

:07:28.:07:30.

four years earlier. A trial has been

:07:31.:07:31.

scheduled for 10th May. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:07:32.:07:33.

News - more at 10:30am. Thank you, and thank you to you for

:07:34.:07:44.

sending in contributions to the various stories today.

:07:45.:07:49.

This e-mail is about the sex industry, particularly the managed

:07:50.:07:52.

area in Leeds that we have had unique access to. The sex industry

:07:53.:07:56.

should be highly regulated and sex workers should be protect that.

:07:57.:08:01.

Unfortunately, simply allowing women to walk the streets is not the

:08:02.:08:06.

answer. This offers few safeguards against violent behaviour. Far

:08:07.:08:09.

better to have, for want of a better word, ruffles, where sex workers

:08:10.:08:14.

have a clean, government regulated environment to conduct their trade,

:08:15.:08:18.

where hygiene standards can be forced and balances can be employed

:08:19.:08:21.

to ensure safety. One text said, I am horrified by

:08:22.:08:27.

your film in Leeds, these women need help, not managed areas, if they

:08:28.:08:30.

want to be treated as everybody else and feel that they are workers, that

:08:31.:08:34.

they should also pay tax on their earnings? Tax is very much in the

:08:35.:08:39.

news, we will talk about that more after the sport. There is a big week

:08:40.:08:45.

of European football. There'll be 53,000 at Manchester

:08:46.:08:47.

City's Etihad Stadium tonight, a club record European crowd

:08:48.:08:49.

for their Champions League quarterfinal against

:08:50.:08:51.

Paris Saint Germain. It's the second leg and it's

:08:52.:08:52.

balanced at 2-2 but those two away goals from the game in Paris last

:08:53.:08:57.

week could be crucial for City. It is a team that is prepared to

:08:58.:09:11.

score goals, prepared to play. We need to try to draw 0-0, if we say

:09:12.:09:18.

that, I think we will lose the game. It is not the way we normally play.

:09:19.:09:24.

You will see the same team that you have seen throughout.

:09:25.:09:27.

Good news for Manchester United and England as their captain

:09:28.:09:30.

Wayne Rooney played for an hour at Old Trafford last night.

:09:31.:09:32.

He's been out for two months, missing a dozen games

:09:33.:09:35.

He turned out for the under 21's and though he had a fairly quiet

:09:36.:09:39.

game, he came through unscathed and may now make his return

:09:40.:09:42.

to the first team in their FA Cup quarterfinal replay against West Ham

:09:43.:09:45.

Some important European qualifiers in women's football.

:09:46.:09:52.

Wales are playing in Kazakhstan this morning.

:09:53.:09:55.

England are in Bosnia Herzegovinia, where a win would take them top

:09:56.:10:01.

They had a bit of a set-back last Friday

:10:02.:10:05.

in Rotherham against Belgium, where their goalkeeper

:10:06.:10:07.

Karen Bardsley had a bit of a shocker.

:10:08.:10:09.

That's how the Belgians took the lead but they got a draw

:10:10.:10:12.

in the end and there's no issue with Bardsley keeping

:10:13.:10:14.

Change Karen Bardsley? No chance! She has been outstanding for this

:10:15.:10:26.

team, just remember the World Cup, she has played in it twice, she is a

:10:27.:10:31.

superb, world-class goalkeeper, every goalkeeper makes the odd

:10:32.:10:34.

mistake, she has bailed us out many times, we will give her that one, I

:10:35.:10:39.

am sure on Tuesday she will be backfiring for England.

:10:40.:10:40.

The British Olympic swimming trials are just beginning in Glasgow.

:10:41.:10:43.

World Champions Adam Peaty and James Guy are looking

:10:44.:10:45.

to secure a place in Rio - for both it would be

:10:46.:10:48.

Peaty's championships start this morning in the 100 metre

:10:49.:10:51.

breaststroke, and he says he's already looking to inspire the next

:10:52.:10:54.

I want to get the best out of what I can get and, hopefully in 80th time,

:10:55.:11:04.

I can look at and say, this tends will not be beaten for a long time.

:11:05.:11:11.

-- these times will not be. It is about legacy, I want to see nine and

:11:12.:11:15.

ten-year-old swimmer being ahead when they are my age, British

:11:16.:11:20.

swimming to be as strong as it can be. Go back -- I will be back with

:11:21.:11:24.

the headlines in about 20 minutes. An age of greater transparency has

:11:25.:11:28.

arrived when it comes to the tax That's the former Foreign Secretary

:11:29.:11:31.

William Hague's take on the events of the last week which have

:11:32.:11:35.

culminated in leading politicians including

:11:36.:11:37.

the Prime Minister David Cameron, the Chancellor George Osborne,

:11:38.:11:39.

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon and Mayor

:11:40.:11:40.

of London Boris Johnson publishing -- but not their actual wealth.

:11:41.:11:58.

Downing Street has accused the media of feeding frenzy and misreporting

:11:59.:12:02.

key details. Here is how it unfolded.

:12:03.:12:25.

I have no shares, no offshore trusts, no offshore funds, nothing

:12:26.:12:28.

like that. Samantha and I had a joint account,

:12:29.:12:46.

we owned 5000 unit in the investment trust, which we sold in January 2000

:12:47.:12:52.

and ten. -- January 20 ten. Well, it has not

:12:53.:12:57.

been a great week. LAUGHTER

:12:58.:13:01.

I know that I should have handled this better, I could have handled

:13:02.:13:05.

this better. I know there are lessons to learn, I will learn them.

:13:06.:13:11.

David Cameron must resign! David Cameron must resign!

:13:12.:13:29.

This is tax planning, where stating career due to behave in a certain

:13:30.:13:34.

way, you follow it and you get a tax benefit. I say, inheritance tax

:13:35.:13:40.

planning, that is planning not avoidance, we need to be careful how

:13:41.:13:45.

we treated. I want to see the papers, I want to see what he has

:13:46.:13:48.

returned as a tax return, we need to know why he put this money overseas

:13:49.:13:50.

in the first place. So this morning we really want

:13:51.:13:57.

to get a snapshot of your views - do you welcome this age

:13:58.:14:01.

of greater transparency? Do you want to know what elected

:14:02.:14:02.

politicians earn, how Does it extend to other people in

:14:03.:14:05.

public life? Should all potential prime ministers

:14:06.:14:12.

and chancellors be expected to publish their tax

:14:13.:14:14.

returns in future? Joining us now, a dozen of you -

:14:15.:14:16.

our viewers - tax expert George Bull Welcome, all. Thank you for joining

:14:17.:14:30.

us. Gary, hello, you are a plumber, you didn't votes last time, are you

:14:31.:14:34.

satisfied with the summaries of the tax returns up the politician so

:14:35.:14:40.

far, do you want more? I would like a bit more, I would just like to see

:14:41.:14:44.

changes, really, in the whole tax thing. I would like to see everyone

:14:45.:14:50.

may be paying a flat rate of tax, say 10%, no matter if you own

:14:51.:14:56.

?200,000 or ?20,000. So you want a major tax reform? Yeah, I think it

:14:57.:15:03.

needs a really big shake-up. Who is satisfied, or who welcomes the

:15:04.:15:06.

summaries of these tax returns being published? I am Rosie Thatcher, I

:15:07.:15:13.

write for the new statesman, I am a Labour voter, I welcome it in this

:15:14.:15:16.

case. I don't think we generally need to know what people pay in tax,

:15:17.:15:20.

I don't necessarily agree with Jeremy Corbyn that journalists

:15:21.:15:26.

should disclose everything. Why? I don't think it is relevant, I think

:15:27.:15:31.

it is relevant the politicians, although it is legal, you can

:15:32.:15:34.

slightly Verdu your taxes. We should be able to follow the money, see

:15:35.:15:39.

where it goes, if it is going to Panama, we should know that. We are

:15:40.:15:44.

all paying taxes, host of the people in this country are happy to

:15:45.:15:47.

contribute but it seems to be one rule for most people, then if you

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have enough wealth to get into Panama, you can do what you like, I

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do not think that is fair, until it is cleared up, we should know.

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You are assuming that everyone who invests in these off-shore places

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are doing it to cheat and not to pay taxes, but David Cameron and his

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father have paid all their taxes. They invested in a place where

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international investors could use it. They would pay their taxes

:16:18.:16:23.

locally rather than in the UK if the investments were in the UK then

:16:24.:16:27.

everyone, wherever they came from would have to pay the tax in the UK

:16:28.:16:31.

and then they would have to pay tax in their own countries of origin so

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that would mean they pay their taxes twice. In the cas of this particular

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trust, I understand that people pay their taxes on their dividends. The

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company does well, the dividends would increase and if the dividends

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increase there is more tax to the taxpayer. If they make a big capital

:16:49.:16:54.

gains on that investment, you pay your taxes. This is nonsense. Is

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Julia right? She is more or less right, but the real question picking

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up from that is where does transparency stop? Yes, I'm George

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Bull I'm senior tax partner at RSM. I forgot to introduce myself. The

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key point is coming out. You can't have, I think, a bit of

:17:17.:17:21.

transparency. You either have transparency or you don't so at

:17:22.:17:24.

beginning you were saying, "Hang on, here a list of people who might have

:17:25.:17:29.

to disclose their affairs." If we say, maybe a group of society should

:17:30.:17:34.

disclose their affairs, it is more down to saying, "Why shouldn't

:17:35.:17:38.

everybody?" I am not advocating that, but if we expect a standard of

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one group of people in a unified society, everybody ought to be

:17:44.:17:48.

adhering to the same standard. Do we expect the same standard from

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plumbers or journalists, Norman Smith or people who are retired,

:17:53.:17:56.

what do you think, Amanda? I'm Amanda. I work for the local council

:17:57.:18:03.

as a clerk to governing bodies. I'm a floating voter. I don't agree with

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everything that I've, any of the parties say. Now, as I understand

:18:09.:18:15.

it, the tax burden in places like Panama are very much lower and that

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is why these, that is why wealthy people move their wealth to these

:18:21.:18:25.

areas and basically... Is that a bad thing? Yes, it is. It is purely to

:18:26.:18:33.

avoid paying taxes at UK rates. Is that right, gorge It is legal, we

:18:34.:18:38.

know that, but if you register a company in Panama and it is based in

:18:39.:18:45.

the Bahamas, it has got to be about reducing your tax burden surely?

:18:46.:18:48.

That's going to be a big factor. You made one point very well which is

:18:49.:18:51.

that international funds might say we want tax to fall out of

:18:52.:18:56.

consideration so that anybody anywhere in the globe can invest and

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if they do that, they have to account for their own taxes in their

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own jurisdictions. I think that's where the point is just because you

:19:04.:19:07.

have invested money off-shore, doesn't moon you automatically don't

:19:08.:19:12.

have a liability to declare your tax in the UK and that's where the rub

:19:13.:19:18.

is now. It is much lower. I'm interested in knowing where you want

:19:19.:19:22.

this greater age of transparency to lead to now or if what we have seen

:19:23.:19:31.

over the last few days is enough? George alluded to the fact that

:19:32.:19:35.

there needs to be transparency and I think personally that is very

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important especially where the Prime Minister is concerned. It is a

:19:40.:19:42.

matter of fact, he was elected to, you know, to carry on that mantle of

:19:43.:19:46.

leadership, to represent all of us and to be accountable for his

:19:47.:19:50.

actions mrps The summary of the tax return is enough for you? Well...

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What else do you want? For now, I think there should be an independent

:19:57.:20:01.

inquiry to ascertain whether the allegations are true because at the

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end of the day... It is ridiculous. There were a few tuts around the

:20:08.:20:13.

room. I am a student and I'm a Liberal Democrat. I agree with what

:20:14.:20:18.

Gary was saying, the fact that the lip of the country is believing that

:20:19.:20:22.

even they don't want to pay their full tax bill and all they are

:20:23.:20:25.

trying to do is reduce their tax bill. What Gary was saying, our

:20:26.:20:28.

taxes in this country might be too high, but even the leadership of our

:20:29.:20:33.

country is not going to pay the full bill and I know David Cameron didn't

:20:34.:20:36.

avoid any tax. His bill didn't suffer from it, but it shows a

:20:37.:20:41.

problem. There is a big problem with avoiding tax in this country. It

:20:42.:20:46.

does show. I would agree. I think the focus on David Cameron is

:20:47.:20:50.

needed. Introduce yourself? I'm April. I'm in the process of setting

:20:51.:20:55.

up my own business at the moment and I voted Labour in the last election,

:20:56.:20:59.

but I think that, David Cameron, he is the Prime Minister. He is running

:21:00.:21:02.

our country. He should be setting the example for the rest of us.

:21:03.:21:06.

Norman Smith, is that a realistic expectation that a Prime Minister

:21:07.:21:10.

should have potentially higher moral standards than the rest of us? Well,

:21:11.:21:15.

I think where we are now, it is inconceivable that any party leader

:21:16.:21:19.

in the future could expect not to have to publish their tax returns,

:21:20.:21:23.

the genie is out of the bottle and probably for most people seeking

:21:24.:21:26.

public office now, even though they may have to do it, you can imagine

:21:27.:21:31.

if you're standing to be a local Connellor or local MP, your local

:21:32.:21:37.

paper would say, "Are you going to publish your tax returns?" There is

:21:38.:21:40.

a pressure now where there will be huge demand for people to be

:21:41.:21:43.

transparent and open. The caveat I would sound, I don't have a problem

:21:44.:21:47.

with it, it is great, the more information we have, the better, but

:21:48.:21:51.

I just caution against the idea that somehow we will reach some

:21:52.:21:55.

transparency where everything will be on paper and we can see every dot

:21:56.:22:02.

and comma. I'm going to suggest the better bulwark to ensure we have a

:22:03.:22:07.

transparent and open society is to have a vigorous awkward, difficult

:22:08.:22:11.

media who ask profoundly awkward questions. If you think about the

:22:12.:22:16.

big scandals that have erupted recently, the expenses scandal did

:22:17.:22:21.

not burst into the headlights because sudden by some MP disclosed

:22:22.:22:25.

something, it was because of painstaking journalistic work.

:22:26.:22:30.

Similarly, the Panama scandal did not burst into the public domain

:22:31.:22:34.

because some politician decided they were going to spit it out, again it

:22:35.:22:39.

came through journalistic hard work. It is good, yes we want more

:22:40.:22:43.

transparency, but I don't think there is some Holy Grail that when

:22:44.:22:48.

we get to it, it will give us that transparency and provided we're can

:22:49.:22:51.

have didn't in our media, I think that perhaps is more important in

:22:52.:22:54.

ensuring high levels of transparency. The media is being

:22:55.:22:58.

criticised by Downing Street this morning. Eleanor, you are a

:22:59.:23:01.

Conservative supporter. How much do you think David Cameron's

:23:02.:23:03.

credibility has been damaged in the last week or so if at all? Well, I

:23:04.:23:07.

think with regards to his taxes, he hasn't done anything wrong. He

:23:08.:23:11.

didn't avoid any tax. So... No damage to his credibility at all? I

:23:12.:23:14.

think that the problem with his credibility is the way it was

:23:15.:23:19.

handled. . It is more of a PR disaster than anything to do with

:23:20.:23:23.

his taxes. Sorry to interrupt. I wonder if he is the main asset for,

:23:24.:23:29.

when it comes to the EU referendum vote, the Remain Campaign, is that

:23:30.:23:32.

going to affect the way people vote because of the last week and because

:23:33.:23:36.

of the way he handled it in the last week? I think it might damage

:23:37.:23:42.

because he has seemed uncredible by the way he released five statements

:23:43.:23:46.

each saying something different. It makes him seem slightly untruth

:23:47.:23:52.

worthy. You still trust him? I still trust him because I can see his tax

:23:53.:23:56.

affairs and it must have been hard for him to have his late father

:23:57.:23:59.

criticised over the papers. It is something that no one should have to

:24:00.:24:03.

deal with and it is going to put you on-the-spot and you're not going to

:24:04.:24:07.

know what to do. Ed Miliband's bad got dragged through the papers and

:24:08.:24:10.

Cameron is fine bringing up his mum to tell the Leader of the Opposition

:24:11.:24:14.

to do up his tie, but when it comes to an important issue like a huge

:24:15.:24:17.

amount of capital, no it is a private matter. It is more difficult

:24:18.:24:21.

for the British people because we are told we need to live within our

:24:22.:24:24.

means and there is bad austerity and we see our leadership trying to find

:24:25.:24:29.

ways to avoid their tax bill. He didn't avoid tax, that's the point.

:24:30.:24:36.

He would have paid a higher rate of tax in all his money is in the UK.

:24:37.:24:43.

There is large amounts of wealth that are being kept from people.

:24:44.:24:45.

This is a country in a time of austerity. I understand him wanting

:24:46.:24:51.

to do it in such a way. If you're earning ?150,000 a year, ?200,000 a

:24:52.:24:57.

year, to literaty have nearly 50% of that money gone so to speak, I mean

:24:58.:25:05.

I would be the same. I do agree on some aspects, that you know, when

:25:06.:25:10.

you do have higher tax rates on the top level tax, you are going to get

:25:11.:25:16.

more people trying to avoid that tax, but what would like to see

:25:17.:25:20.

rather than the politicians showing their tax returns is actual action

:25:21.:25:23.

because what we have had, we have had inquiries into Amazon and

:25:24.:25:28.

Starbucks and we have given them a good telling off like you're in

:25:29.:25:31.

school, but nothing has actually happened. What do you think? Well,

:25:32.:25:36.

hi Victoria, I am a student in London and I'm a floating voter. So

:25:37.:25:42.

for me, the purpose of politics is all about serving the public and for

:25:43.:25:49.

me David Cameron does need to unveil even more information. What else do

:25:50.:25:54.

you want to know, his absolute wealth or his medical records or his

:25:55.:25:58.

wife's? The word transparency has been thrown around a lot and David

:25:59.:26:01.

Cameron is the face of British politics. So of all the other MPs in

:26:02.:26:06.

Westminster and actually the financial credibility of this

:26:07.:26:09.

country lies in their hands and it is within my right to understand

:26:10.:26:13.

exactly how off-shore devices are being used to evade tax and that's

:26:14.:26:17.

what I think it is, often, but not always. Avoid or evade. He would

:26:18.:26:24.

say... One is legal and the other is illegal. There are lots of things

:26:25.:26:29.

illegal that I don't think we should encourage. David Cameron talked

:26:30.:26:37.

about Jimmy Carrefour being morally law for investing in an illegal tax

:26:38.:26:43.

vehicle. If you can look at the figures on foodbank use and say...

:26:44.:26:48.

You are using the politics of envy. No I'm not using the politics offen

:26:49.:26:53.

ve. We have high foodbank use and there are people going, "I can

:26:54.:26:56.

afford my first home. I better have a second home. More money for me."

:26:57.:27:01.

You don't think people should have the right to earn? They earn a lot

:27:02.:27:07.

of money. Let Eleanor finish the sentence? They are working so hard

:27:08.:27:11.

they are earning their money I'm not saying other people don't work hard,

:27:12.:27:17.

but you can't say, "All you should be able to afford is a house and

:27:18.:27:23.

food." Enough money... That's not what I'm saying. I'm going to pause

:27:24.:27:28.

there. I'm going to pause there. A cull of comments from you watching,

:27:29.:27:34.

Tony has tweeted this, "Conservative MPs argue about internet slash

:27:35.:27:38.

security surveillance of me. If you are innocent, you are nothing to

:27:39.:27:43.

fear. It is the sail for their tax." Michael says, "Anyone paid public

:27:44.:27:47.

money should have to publish their tax return and sthate their share

:27:48.:27:51.

holdings." Freda says, "I don't agree everybody should declare their

:27:52.:27:55.

tax returns, but our politicians should. They are running our country

:27:56.:28:00.

and creating our laws. We need to ensure they are doing everything

:28:01.:28:08.

above board. Journalists etcetera. ." Thank you for those. Keep them

:28:09.:28:10.

coming in. Still to come, we'll bring

:28:11.:28:15.

you unique access to the part of the UK where women can sell sex

:28:16.:28:17.

in a public place And how does it sit

:28:18.:28:20.

with the local community? We speak to a sex worker later

:28:21.:28:24.

in the hour. We can talk to the mother who let

:28:25.:28:36.

five strangers breastfeed her son while she was in hospital.

:28:37.:28:42.

The mother from Cornwall was rushed to hospital and given morphine

:28:43.:28:45.

for pain following complications with an ovarian cyst.

:28:46.:28:46.

It left her unable to feed her 11-month-old son.

:28:47.:28:49.

When baby Rio refused to take a bottle or cup,

:28:50.:28:51.

his mum posted a plea on Facebook asking for help.

:28:52.:28:53.

Within hours no less than one thousand women volunteered

:28:54.:28:56.

to breastfeed Rio while his mum was on the mend.

:28:57.:28:58.

Hello. How are you? I'm good, thank you. How is Rio? I think he is a bit

:28:59.:29:06.

overwhelmed by everything. He is tired. He is not used to all this,

:29:07.:29:11.

but he is taking it in his stride. Well, he looks bonny and healthy

:29:12.:29:16.

which is something. Tell us about your motivation for your Facebook

:29:17.:29:27.

appeal? A lot of women, sorry... I was on the group for a while and

:29:28.:29:33.

there is women supporting each other and it was at a time when I thought

:29:34.:29:36.

this is my time when I'm going to need those women to support me. I

:29:37.:29:40.

called for them to help really. I'm grateful they did. What about those

:29:41.:29:48.

who think it is strange or odd that complete strangers you have invited

:29:49.:29:51.

into your home effectively to breastfeed your little boy? They are

:29:52.:30:05.

welcome to their opinions on it. I'm not going to shove it down

:30:06.:30:09.

people's throats. Breast-feeding works for my family. Our audience

:30:10.:30:13.

have been seeing pictures of the women who volunteered, there were

:30:14.:30:16.

five. How many did offer themselves so to speak?

:30:17.:30:22.

Thousands of women from across the country, as far as Scotland, but

:30:23.:30:29.

obviously they were too far. In the end, it was five amazing women. And

:30:30.:30:36.

how much did that help you and Rio? It helped immensely, I could not

:30:37.:30:40.

have done it without women at all. It is really down to them that Rio

:30:41.:30:46.

is still happy and healthy now, he could have deteriorated to a state

:30:47.:30:49.

where he would have been an hospital himself, he would have been

:30:50.:30:53.

dehydrated. How are you now? Getting there, I still have bruised hands

:30:54.:31:03.

from the IVs and so on. Thank you for talking to us, all the best to

:31:04.:31:13.

Rio as well. Goodbye! Still to come, and please begin investigating the

:31:14.:31:17.

way the RSPCA handles animal cruelty cases and whether their powers are

:31:18.:31:21.

too great. We will talk to one of the MPs leading Latin Priory. --

:31:22.:31:25.

leading that inquiry. Here's Ben in the BBC Newsroom

:31:26.:31:29.

with a summary of today's news. Downing Street has accused the media

:31:30.:31:33.

of fuelling a frenzy over the controversy surrounding

:31:34.:31:36.

David Cameron's tax affairs. Sources at Number Ten admit that

:31:37.:31:38.

mistakes were made over the handling of the row -

:31:39.:31:40.

but have criticised the media for what the sources

:31:41.:31:42.

say was misreporting of the Prime Minister's

:31:43.:31:44.

tax arrangements. Mr Cameron said yesterday his

:31:45.:31:46.

father's reputation had been MPs will hold an emergency debate

:31:47.:31:48.

on Britain's steel industry later, after Labour warned its future

:31:49.:31:55.

was hanging by a thread. Yesterday Tata steel announced it

:31:56.:31:58.

had reached a deal with a British investment firm that could save more

:31:59.:32:01.

than 4,000 jobs in Scunthorpe, The Government said it

:32:02.:32:04.

would consider co-investing with any buyer who comes

:32:05.:32:10.

forward to try to keep Figures released in the last half

:32:11.:32:12.

hour show inflation is rising. The rate at which prices

:32:13.:32:19.

are going up - the CPI - rose to 0.5% last month,

:32:20.:32:21.

up from 0.3% in February. Most of the increase

:32:22.:32:28.

was down to higher airfares New guidelines on cosmetic surgery

:32:29.:32:30.

will come into force in June, to try to put an end to botched

:32:31.:32:37.

and unethical procedures. Doctors will no longer be able to do

:32:38.:32:41.

two for one offers on surgery, and will have to fully explain

:32:42.:32:44.

the risks of the It's aimed at helping patients

:32:45.:32:47.

identify doctors who have had The new guidance should reassure

:32:48.:32:53.

the public that cosmetic procedures will be safer in the future,

:32:54.:32:59.

because they will know the pros and cons and they can be reassured

:33:00.:33:02.

that the person they met and who discussed it with them

:33:03.:33:05.

will undertake the procedure. This programme has been given

:33:06.:33:11.

special access to an area of Leeds that's become the first place

:33:12.:33:14.

in the UK where women are permitted Known as the managed approach,

:33:15.:33:17.

it was introduced in an effort Sex workers can sell their services

:33:18.:33:22.

between seven at night and seven in the morning in a specific area

:33:23.:33:28.

without being stopped by police. The Duke and Duchess

:33:29.:33:37.

of Cambridge have met the Indian Prime Minister

:33:38.:33:39.

on the third day of The informal meeting

:33:40.:33:41.

with Narendra Modi took place in New Delhi in a former royal

:33:42.:33:44.

residence of the Maharajas. The Duke and Duchess

:33:45.:33:47.

are on a seven-day tour of India and neighbouring Bhutan,

:33:48.:33:49.

their first visit to both countries. That's a summary of the latest

:33:50.:33:55.

news, join me for BBC Some breaking news with Ollie

:33:56.:34:09.

Foster. This has just broken in the last few

:34:10.:34:13.

minutes, the England batsmen James Taylor has been forced to retire

:34:14.:34:19.

because of a serious heart condition. The 26-year-old will have

:34:20.:34:24.

an operation in the coming days after scans revealed the condition.

:34:25.:34:29.

He had to pull out of the match last week, they thought he had a virus.

:34:30.:34:34.

He played for the test team in South Africa over the winter, he played

:34:35.:34:40.

five. There has been a lot of reaction. Freddie Flintoff has said

:34:41.:34:43.

he is gutted, James Taylor himself has said, it's fair to say that this

:34:44.:34:49.

has been the toughest week of my life. My world is upside down, he

:34:50.:34:55.

says. But he has put a hashtag life is too short, I will keep batting

:34:56.:34:59.

on. We will have a lot more reaction to this, the Nottinghamshire and

:35:00.:35:06.

England batsmen, at the age of just 26, James Taylor, being forced to

:35:07.:35:12.

retire. A very similar one to the one that Fabrice Muamba suffered

:35:13.:35:24.

from and collapsed on the pitch. He is being forced retire at just 26.

:35:25.:35:28.

We will have a lot more reaction to this on BBC News throughout the rest

:35:29.:35:31.

of the day. MPs begin investigating today

:35:32.:35:33.

the way the RSPCA handles animal abuse cases and whether their powers

:35:34.:35:36.

are too great. The charity has come in for some

:35:37.:35:38.

strong criticism recently over Our reporter Jim Reed,

:35:39.:35:40.

who last year revealed this new investigation,

:35:41.:35:44.

has the details. Half the households

:35:45.:35:48.

in the UK own animals. But the RSPCA alone

:35:49.:35:51.

investigates 150,000 complaints That is more than 400 suspected

:35:52.:35:58.

cases every single day. Now, an influential group of MPs

:35:59.:36:07.

is going to look into the law around animal abuse and whether the right

:36:08.:36:11.

people are being taken to court. In criminal cases this is normally

:36:12.:36:17.

what happens: the police investigate and evidence is passed

:36:18.:36:23.

to an independent body, generally They decide if it is in the public

:36:24.:36:25.

interest to prosecute In animal abuse cases

:36:26.:36:32.

is does not work like that. Instead, it is RSPCA inspectors

:36:33.:36:39.

who investigate, then RSPCA prosecutors who take it

:36:40.:36:41.

through the court system, Critics say the right checks

:36:42.:36:45.

and balances are not in place and that can lead to the wrong

:36:46.:36:50.

people being taken to court. You have to remember it is only

:36:51.:36:54.

in England and Wales where the RSPCA had this power to prosecute and make

:36:55.:36:58.

decisions whether people In Scotland and Northern Ireland

:36:59.:37:00.

they don't have that power. The danger is, their campaigning

:37:01.:37:08.

interest is going to affect The charity's critics say some pet

:37:09.:37:10.

owners have been taken to court when they should have

:37:11.:37:19.

been helped instead. This is Ziggy with her

:37:20.:37:22.

owner Julie last year. Police broke her door down

:37:23.:37:25.

to take her cat on the She was prosecuted by the charity

:37:26.:37:28.

for neglect after refusing After a two-year fight the charges

:37:29.:37:32.

against her were dropped. The cat was returned and went

:37:33.:37:39.

on to live for many more years. And this is Claude,

:37:40.:37:45.

owned by the Byrnes He was put down by the RSPCA

:37:46.:37:47.

and the family taken to court for neglect,

:37:48.:37:52.

before, again, the charges My daughter came across a Facebook

:37:53.:37:54.

page saying things which are not repeatable, about me

:37:55.:38:05.

and the family in general. We aspire and claim to be,

:38:06.:38:13.

and we are, a nation No one would ever want to be

:38:14.:38:16.

associated with animal cruelty. The RSPCA has just gone

:38:17.:38:23.

through an independent review of the way it deals with cases

:38:24.:38:25.

like this, and it has made changes. It won't now prosecute hunting

:38:26.:38:28.

cases, for example. If it is forced to stop

:38:29.:38:33.

its own prosecutions, it would be a huge blow

:38:34.:38:56.

to the charity, and it would also raise serious questions about how

:38:57.:38:59.

we are going to deal with cases of animal abuse in the future

:39:00.:39:02.

and whether the government and ultimately the taxpayer

:39:03.:39:05.

is prepared to pay for it all. Neil Parish is the chairman

:39:06.:39:13.

of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Select Committee

:39:14.:39:15.

which will be examining whether the charity should be

:39:16.:39:17.

allowed to both investigate and prosecute against

:39:18.:39:19.

cases of animal cruelty. Thank you for coming on the

:39:20.:39:30.

programme. What is wrong with the current model? We are taking the

:39:31.:39:36.

2006 Animal Welfare Act and taking evidence from academics, we will

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take evidence from the RSPCA, the Battersea Dogs Home, the Blue Cross

:39:43.:39:46.

and others, we will have six sessions of investigations. In many

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cases the RSPCA do shop, in others they have not. It is not just about

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the PCA, it is looking at Scotland, across the four nations of written.

:40:00.:40:06.

The idea of a select committee is to investigate, take evidence and come

:40:07.:40:09.

forward with strong recommendations for Government. If you are

:40:10.:40:14.

investigating, that implies there is something wrong with the current

:40:15.:40:19.

model? After ten years of the Animal Welfare Act I think it is time to

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look at it again, it is not just the RSPCA and sites, it is how we deal

:40:24.:40:27.

with animal welfare generally, will look at the treat the top horses and

:40:28.:40:33.

we will look at other aspects of animal welfare in the future -- we

:40:34.:40:36.

will look at the treatment of horses. We are looking at cat as

:40:37.:40:41.

well as dogs, sale on the Internet of puppies coming into the country

:40:42.:40:45.

which are probably been traded across Europe, who do not have their

:40:46.:40:49.

mothers with them or are not being properly socialised, lots of issues.

:40:50.:40:54.

It is not just prosecution. Should we be doing more at stopping white

:40:55.:40:58.

vans coming to the Borders, lots of issues to investigate? The RSPCA is

:40:59.:41:05.

opposed to any plans to relax the ban on fox hunting, there are

:41:06.:41:08.

suggestions from blues... Some quarters that the review has been

:41:09.:41:16.

influenced by the pro-hunting lobby. What do you say? I plead not guilty

:41:17.:41:20.

on that, the issue is looking at the Animal Welfare Act. Most RSPCA

:41:21.:41:27.

inspectors do a great job, occasionally get it wrong, perhaps

:41:28.:41:30.

need other training, I don't know, we might need to look at how they do

:41:31.:41:35.

the enforcement, I am not here to knock the RSPCA, we are looking to

:41:36.:41:40.

see whether we can do it better, is there a more foolproof process? It

:41:41.:41:46.

is not a witch hunt against the RSPCA, I promise you. The

:41:47.:41:51.

organisation points out that their private prosecutions save the

:41:52.:41:59.

Government ?50 million a year. That leads some to believe... That is

:42:00.:42:05.

really useful for the Government, the RSPCA is paying for it? Our role

:42:06.:42:10.

as a select committee is not to spend money or to save it, we will

:42:11.:42:15.

look at the whole piece, if we think the Government should step up to the

:42:16.:42:22.

plate, we will do so. But if it can be done better and made foolproof,

:42:23.:42:27.

let's keep on matter. I am not opening or closing my mind of

:42:28.:42:31.

anything, the whole idea is to take the evidence, we have had 250

:42:32.:42:35.

submissions of written evidence already, huge public interest and we

:42:36.:42:42.

will be very interested with the expert witnesses to come to what I

:42:43.:42:46.

hope will be a good conclusion that we present to Parliament and to

:42:47.:42:50.

Government. Things might not change at all, particularly with the RSPCA.

:42:51.:42:57.

The Green MP Caroline Lucas says they have a prosecution success rate

:42:58.:43:02.

of 98%, compared with a 50% success rate up the Crown Prosecution

:43:03.:43:07.

Service. But it may not, we will be looking at the way the Scottish

:43:08.:43:11.

RSPCA work, they have different systems which, in some cases, have

:43:12.:43:17.

worked better. Can we use all the systems in all the four nations and

:43:18.:43:21.

come up with something slightly better? That is what I am keen to do

:43:22.:43:25.

that. We do not go in with preconceived ideas, the whole aspect

:43:26.:43:29.

of this is to get better animal was there. 90 or 95% of the population

:43:30.:43:37.

treat their animals very well, 5% don't. Some people profit from the

:43:38.:43:41.

sale of puppies who are traumatised because they have been taken away

:43:42.:43:45.

from their mothers too quickly, all these sorts of things I want to iron

:43:46.:43:50.

out. We have better animal welfare, hopefully, by the time we finish

:43:51.:43:55.

this. You would probably expect me to ask if you are planning on

:43:56.:44:00.

publishing your tax returns, or a summary? I will wait for Parliament,

:44:01.:44:06.

when they ask me, I will do it. What if your constituents ask you? I will

:44:07.:44:12.

wait to see the format. I have no money offshore, nothing to hide. A

:44:13.:44:16.

bit like all the problems that David Cameron has had with his family, I

:44:17.:44:21.

was a farmer before I came to Parliament, I have assets I built up

:44:22.:44:27.

through 30 years of farming, I am not 100% convinced why everybody has

:44:28.:44:31.

to troll over every aspect of my background, but I have nothing to

:44:32.:44:35.

hide, if I need to publish them I will, but at this moment I am not

:44:36.:44:40.

offering. Thank you, Neil Parish, Conservative chairman of the

:44:41.:44:43.

environment, food and rule affairs committee.

:44:44.:44:45.

This morning, unique access to a suburb in Leeds which has

:44:46.:44:47.

become the first place in the UK where it's permitted for women

:44:48.:44:50.

The managed approach was introduced six months ago to try

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Local authorities say it's also made it safer, but a 21-year-old woman

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from Poland has been killed since the zone was established.

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A 24-year-old man has been charged with her murder.

:45:03.:45:05.

We've spent a night there to find out how it is working.

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Here's a short extract from our full film we played you just after 9am.

:45:09.:45:16.

It's a Tuesday night in Leeds and Chelsea,

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whose name we've changed, is out on the street.

:45:20.:45:22.

She has been a sex worker for five years.

:45:23.:45:25.

I was badly beaten and raped when I was pregnant.

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It happened on the back street down there.

:45:29.:45:37.

We're in Leeds' managed area, the only official scheme

:45:38.:45:42.

in the country which allows sex workers to walk the streets

:45:43.:45:44.

It's a programme intended to build trust between the authorities

:45:45.:45:52.

and the women who work here and stop attacks like Chelsea's.

:45:53.:45:56.

Since October, between 7am and 7pm, the women can be out looking

:45:57.:45:59.

for customers on a specific network of roads in the Holbeck

:46:00.:46:01.

Women working outside the zone can be arrested.

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But it has been controversial and a review this month may

:46:12.:46:14.

Business owners like Greg Adams feel they have been ignored.

:46:15.:46:19.

They will eye you up, not particularly offensive,

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but what is offensive is the debris that's left behind

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from their activities which is used condoms,

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Alongside the authorities charities like Basis work

:46:34.:46:36.

We drive around in the managed area and outside of it as well actually

:46:37.:46:45.

to see if there is any women working and we can offer them

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We arrive at the spot where a Polish sex worker was attacked

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A murder like this might tell people that having a managed

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That's right, it's not completely safe, but it is definitely safer.

:47:01.:47:11.

People were coming forward like, girls were coming forward,

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Can I ask how many men you met this evening?

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Sp have you played by the rules of the managed area?

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I do, but a car just dropped me off down there, so I have

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No because you're meant to be discreet.

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What would you do if they got rid of it as a result?

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I would just go back to the same place, the same thing won't it,

:47:43.:47:46.

like back to Home Office cautions and back to being locked up.

:47:47.:47:49.

Women like Chelsea would still be on these streets

:47:50.:47:55.

with or without the permission of the authorities, but the impact

:47:56.:47:58.

some feel the managed approach has had on this area's reputation may

:47:59.:48:05.

Protection or prosecution, it is a choice which Leeds

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We can talk now live to Jane, it's not her real

:48:15.:48:22.

name, she's also a sex worker in the managed area in Leeds.

:48:23.:48:25.

She's asked us not to reveal her identity.

:48:26.:48:27.

And also to Emily Turner, from Basis, one of the charities

:48:28.:48:30.

We should say that by its very nature this conversation will be

:48:31.:48:34.

frank and sexual and you may not want young children to listen to it.

:48:35.:48:40.

Thank you both for coming on the programme. Jane, what is good for

:48:41.:48:46.

you about working in the managed area? First of all, that area is

:48:47.:48:51.

managed which is the best for me. I mean, we have, you know, a right to

:48:52.:48:55.

be looking for help if we feel in danger. So managed for you, does

:48:56.:49:03.

that mean safe or safer? I mean safer because that kind of job is

:49:04.:49:08.

always, you know, carrying a risk. But because of that area is managed,

:49:09.:49:13.

that risk is lower and lower, you know, every month, every day.

:49:14.:49:19.

You feel safe despite the fact that a young woman was attacked and later

:49:20.:49:24.

died in December? I do. I definitely do. How? How can that be? Well,

:49:25.:49:29.

every woman in this district, you know, we have got a different set of

:49:30.:49:36.

rules and like I said, we can't make it completely safe, but we can make

:49:37.:49:41.

it safer. Like to me, for example, you know, I'm very different from

:49:42.:49:45.

the British woman. I'm not a drug user. I'm not, you know, I don't

:49:46.:49:51.

drink alcohol. So that fact, you know, I have got full control what I

:49:52.:49:57.

have done between 7pm and 7am. Is that without generalising too much,

:49:58.:50:01.

are the foreign sex workers in this managed area, are they like you,

:50:02.:50:05.

they don't drink, they don't take drugs? No. Whereas the British sex

:50:06.:50:11.

workers normally would? Well, not all of them, but I have to say a

:50:12.:50:15.

really high percentage. I mean it doesn't matter that person taking

:50:16.:50:21.

drugs or not, they have to be treated with respect and that stigma

:50:22.:50:25.

which is, you know, linked with that work should be taken off because a

:50:26.:50:30.

stigma is, you know, is just a first step to being violent. Right. To the

:50:31.:50:35.

sex workers. Emily, is this an area that's managed or safe in name only?

:50:36.:50:41.

Not at all. It's an entire managed approach and that means it is not

:50:42.:50:47.

just an area that has been decided where sex workers will be, it has a

:50:48.:50:52.

prostitution liaison officer who built really good trust with the

:50:53.:50:55.

women. There is Leeds Watch vehicles in place. Yet a woman was killed?

:50:56.:50:59.

Yes, that's right, but what happened, you know, it is a risk in

:51:00.:51:04.

all areas of the country and we are all aware of that, but we have to do

:51:05.:51:07.

something to make it different to make it as safe as we possibly can.

:51:08.:51:13.

And so this approach really goes towards that.

:51:14.:51:18.

OK. Tell me Jane about some of your clients, some of the men who come to

:51:19.:51:21.

you for sex. What sort of backgrounds, what sort of people?

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Well, some of the people they like to think people buying sex on the

:51:27.:51:32.

street, they are scruffy and really dirty and really flity, in reality,

:51:33.:51:36.

you will be surprised how many different people from different

:51:37.:51:38.

backgrounds are buying sex on the street. I can just... What sort of

:51:39.:51:44.

jobs do they do? Well, I can just talk about me. It is really, really

:51:45.:51:47.

different. From just, you know, people who is working in the

:51:48.:51:51.

supermarkets to the people who are really wealthy. The point is, it is

:51:52.:51:56.

a really diverse group of people. Both the buyers and the sellers of

:51:57.:52:00.

sex. It is completely diverse. But everybody still has the same right

:52:01.:52:05.

to safety, protection from the police as everybody else. These

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people have rights just like everyone. Well, now, the managed

:52:10.:52:14.

area, I can suggest to you that kerb crawlers have rights effectively

:52:15.:52:17.

because they won't be arrested in this safe area? Absolutely, as long

:52:18.:52:23.

as ter not committing any crime... Is it good news for pimps as well

:52:24.:52:27.

then? Pimps don't really exist, but the fact that we have a managed area

:52:28.:52:31.

means that that, the police can really take control. They know where

:52:32.:52:35.

everyone is. They know, they have built relationships with people so

:52:36.:52:39.

they are much more likely to be able to tackle really important crimes

:52:40.:52:42.

like exploitation or trafficking or anything like that. So the managed

:52:43.:52:46.

area goes towards reducing crimes that are really awful like that.

:52:47.:52:51.

Jane, do you feel more comfortable in this managed area, con dabgting

:52:52.:52:55.

the police if you saw -- contacting the police if you saw anti-social

:52:56.:52:59.

behaviour or a bloke that was suspicious in some way? Well, I

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think I do. I mean, it has been started last summer and it has been

:53:05.:53:08.

a quiet agreement between us and the police. I mean we are more likely to

:53:09.:53:14.

report any crimes, any anti-social behaviours, any, you know, human

:53:15.:53:17.

trafficking because we are already down there and we see that. So it is

:53:18.:53:22.

easier for us... And more likely because presumably you know you're

:53:23.:53:25.

not going to get arrested as well? Yes. This is why. We need to get rid

:53:26.:53:30.

of the stigma attached to this subject so that we can actually

:53:31.:53:35.

really make people safe and it isn't a perfect scheme, but it certainly

:53:36.:53:38.

goes towards doing that. Do you mind me asking, Jane, how much you earn

:53:39.:53:47.

approximately each year? Well, it is between ?60,000 and ?80,000 ?60,000

:53:48.:53:54.

and ?80,000 a year? Yes. A lot of people are Polish girls are run by

:53:55.:53:59.

the gangsters, all I have to say, it is just a situation because most of

:54:00.:54:02.

the women from abroad who are working on the street, they just do

:54:03.:54:08.

the same like I do. They are supporting their families, you know,

:54:09.:54:12.

they just make, you know, their kids living really good in Britain. There

:54:13.:54:18.

will be people watching who hear you talking about earning between

:54:19.:54:21.

?60,000 and ?80,000 a year who will be thinking tax is a big issue at

:54:22.:54:25.

the moment, why not pay tax on that? Well, if it is going to be legal, it

:54:26.:54:29.

will be highly likely a lot of women would like to pay taxes. If

:54:30.:54:35.

prostitution was legalised you say, of course, you would be happy to pay

:54:36.:54:39.

taxes? Yes, a lot of the people, a lot of the women already pay taxes

:54:40.:54:46.

like I said like entertainments and the stuff like that. Most of them,

:54:47.:54:50.

they are self-employed. Emily, what were you going to say? Just what

:54:51.:54:56.

Jane said. So spot on. Let me read some comments from people listening

:54:57.:54:59.

to you and watching you around the country. Christine says,

:55:00.:55:04.

"Decriminalisation of prostitution is well overdue in the UK. I commend

:55:05.:55:11.

Leeds City Council and the police for taking this approach. As Chelsea

:55:12.:55:14.

stated in your film today, there is always the risk of danger. The death

:55:15.:55:19.

of a young sex worker was a tragedy, but I believe there will be more

:55:20.:55:23.

violence and higher risk to women if Leeds hadn't adopted the managed

:55:24.:55:28.

approach." She just mentioned women being vulnerable. There are women

:55:29.:55:30.

that are vulnerable, but it is really important to say that not all

:55:31.:55:33.

the women are vulnerable. The point is that everybody is entitled to

:55:34.:55:40.

safety. We definitely want to move towards a complete decriminalisation

:55:41.:55:43.

so we can tackle real crime. Why is it important to say that some of the

:55:44.:55:49.

women aren't run vable? It is a really diverse group and Jane is not

:55:50.:55:53.

vulnerable. It is just a mixture and we have to recognise that rather

:55:54.:55:58.

than painting a picture of vulnerable women. Louise on

:55:59.:56:03.

Facebook, "Instead of legalising this, they would be better putting

:56:04.:56:08.

money into offer people like yourself Jane, a way out of it."

:56:09.:56:12.

What do you think about that? Well, I think it is everyone's personal

:56:13.:56:15.

decision. So you want to do this kind of work? It is not like you

:56:16.:56:23.

want to or you have to. At the moment I have to do this, but I

:56:24.:56:28.

can't predict I will do this in the next week the next month or the next

:56:29.:56:32.

year. If Leeds City Council could help you find other work, that would

:56:33.:56:36.

be a better use of their resource and their time, but you are saying

:56:37.:56:40.

at the moment this is fine for you? Yes, we didn't talk only about me,

:56:41.:56:44.

we talk about the rest of the women who is already working so like I

:56:45.:56:48.

said, it is all, you know, personal decision. Right. In my opinion

:56:49.:56:54.

everyone should respect us. Everyone else, life choices. I would like to

:56:55.:57:00.

say, at Basis we work with people who really choose, you know, saying

:57:01.:57:03.

they want to make positive changes or move out of sex work, but we also

:57:04.:57:08.

recognise that women choose sex work and the most important thing is to

:57:09.:57:12.

keep them safe and to look after their sexual health. Does your mum

:57:13.:57:19.

is back in Poland... Your mum? Sorry. I don't want to answer that

:57:20.:57:25.

question. We would like to talk about the managed area. I am

:57:26.:57:30.

wondering if your mum knows what you do? My mum knows. What does she

:57:31.:57:35.

think? It is too personal. Fair enough. How many women work in this

:57:36.:57:41.

managed area then? Not that many. It is a broad mixture. There are a lot

:57:42.:57:45.

of migrant women working in the area and that's a picture across the

:57:46.:57:48.

entire country, that's not something that just Leeds is seeing. Probably

:57:49.:57:55.

around 40 women, but on any one night, usually between ten and 12

:57:56.:57:58.

women would be out working, something like that.

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