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Welcome to our programme. Today, our top story, Jeremy Corbyn has spent a

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lot of his career criticising the European Union but this morning he

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is giving a speech setting out why, despite that, he thinks the UK

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should vote to stay in the EU in June's referendum. We will bring in

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his speech live after 10am. Should 15-year-olds be told that the laying

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becoming a parent could lead to problems having children? We will

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talk to a fertility expert. And a woman who pushed to outlaw revenge

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pornography once legislation to clamp down on online abuse and we

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will talk to live. -- we will talk to her live.

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Welcome to the programme. We are also going to be talking about

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bosses' page as some BP shareholders are crossed that the company's boss

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is in line for a 20% pay rise is taking his salary to just over ?13

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million. We will talk about that in the next half hour.

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If you have got a story, and you think we should be covering it, let

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us know. Send it to us. Some of our best stories come from you. Our top

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story, Jeremy Corbyn is to make his first significant intervention in

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the European referendum campaign. He will urge his supporters to back the

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European Union, warts and all, but he will argue that the EU needs to

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change. Then write reports. -- Ben Wright reports.

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A different time, a rather different view.

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When Britain voted to join what was then the European Economic Community

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Then, Labour was split on the issue, and, through the 1980s and beyond,

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Jeremy Corbyn remained sceptical, critical of the EU.

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In 2008, he voted against his party's instructions

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And as he stood for the leadership of his party this year,

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he said he had mixed feelings about the EU and didn't rule out

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But the vast majority of Labour MPs are pro-EU

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They worry Jeremy Corbyn is not doing enough

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to rally voters behind their

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case, voters they think will be crucial for the result.

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Mr Corbyn criticised David Cameron's renegotiated deal, saying

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it was a great opportunity missed, and in March he explained

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We are campaigning on the issues on social justice across Europe,

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campaigning to defend the Social Chapter,

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to defend the Working Time Directive, and

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like the Transfer of Undertakings, which protects workers

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We are campaigning for a social Europe.

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Today, Jeremy Corbyn will make a major speech he hopes

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will quieten his critics and clarify his position.

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He will say Labour is overwhelmingly in favour of staying

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in the EU, but he will also list its shortcomings.

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It's not the speech David Cameron would make.

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But Jeremy Corbyn has long had a very different view about the EU.

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Ben Wright, BBC News, Westminster.

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Norman Smith is in London, where Jeremy Corbyn

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Norman, is Jeremy Corbyn really going to be able to convince people?

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Well, on that may hinge the outcome of this referendum because many

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people think that the key moment in this campaign will be whether Mr

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Corbyn manages to galvanise Labour support to stay in the EU because

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most people calculate that most Tory supporters will vote for Brexit,

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therefore it is critical to motivate the labour vote. The difficulty is,

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plenty of Jeremy Corbyn's speeches, he has criticised the EU, and I

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think this is the first time I will have seen him make the case for the

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EU. We know he has had long-standing doubts about the EU, going back to

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its formation, but even quite recently during his leadership

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campaign he was saying he had not ruled out campaigning to withdraw

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from the EU. The Durham miners gal at the other month, he was critical

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of the trade deal trying to -- that was being negotiated. He has

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attacked the EU, saying they are treating Greece like a debt colony.

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He says there is a lot riding on this and the challenge is to

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convince people he is not speaking through gritted teeth, proving that

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he has actually changed his mind on Europe. People say that he really

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has a because he believes that Europe has changed and it is less of

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a market organisation, more focused on protecting pay and public

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services and the environment. But I have to say, he has an awful lot of

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convincing to do. Thank you, Norman. And we will hear some of Mr Corbyn's

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speech before ten o'clock. Ben Brown is in the BBC newsroom with the rest

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of this morning's news. Several large investors

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in the oil giant, BP, are planning to vote

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against a decision to give a 20% pay rise to

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its Chief Executive. They're angry that his pay package

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will rise to almost ?14 million at a time when BP's profits

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are falling and jobs are being lost. The company has defended

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the increase, saying its performance Two migrants - who are

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believed to be from Iran - have been rescued from an inflatable

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boat off the coast of Dover. of this morning but didn't

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know their exact position. They were picked up by a lifeboat

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after eight hours at sea. A passing ferry helped to locate

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them after spotting a light Four men suspected of involvement

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in the attacks in Paris and Brussels are due to appear in court

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in Belgium shortly. Mohammed Abrini, accused

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of being "the man in the hat" seen on CCTV before

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the Brussels airport bombing, is among the suspected plotters

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attending the hearing. According to French television,

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Abrini denies being A video appearing to show some

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of the schoolgirls kidnapped by the Islamist group Boko Haram has

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been sent to the The emergence of the footage comes

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as vigils are held to mark the second anniversary

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of the abduction of 276 girls Of those, nearly 220

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are still missing. Adaobi Nwaubani is a

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journalist who's been documenting the stories

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of the Chibok families and believes I think there is hope because in the

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past year we have seen a massive rescues girls, such as we have not

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seen before. People that we did not even know were kidnapped. We have

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seen a lot of improvement. I have in visited -- I have visited the

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Northeast several times and I see people returning to their lives,

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trying to rebuild their lives, and I have seen improvements and the

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return of abducted girls on a monthly basis. If the government

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continues like this, it is only a matter of time before the girls are

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eventually rescued. Two teenage girls have been arrested

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on suspicion of kidnapping a three-year-old girl

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in Newcastle city centre. Police launched a large scale search

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after the child went missing from the Primark store

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in Northumberland Street She was found just over an hour

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later a few miles away in Gosforth. The 13 and 14 year old teenagers

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are in custody on suspicion A 13 year-old girl was injured

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during a shooting near Bethnal Green police station in east

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London yesterday evening. She needed first aid treatment

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after shots were fired The area around the police

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station was sealed off No arrests have been made

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and police are appealing The girl is still in hospital

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being treated for minor injuries. The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge

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have arrived in Bhutan on the fifth They touched down in

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the country this morning. They'll meet the King and Queen

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before watching a display Yesterday the royal couple spent

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the day at Kaziranga National Park in India where they fed orphaned

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rhinos and baby elephants. A Parkrun event that has been

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at the centre of a row with a local council has been cancelled due

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to safety concerns. Organisers of the free weekly run

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in Little Stoke Park, near Bristol, said the numbers expected to turn

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out for Saturday's event There has been widespread criticism

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of the council's decision to charge Search dogs at Manchester Airport

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are being criticised for how They're being criticised for failing

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to detect illegal animal products But the Independent Chief Inspector

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of Borders and Immigration said although they're adept at sniffing

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out "cheese and sausages", there was a seven month period up

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to June last year when they failed In the age of digital downloads,

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there has been a huge resurgence of one of the most old fashioned

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ways of listening to music. Vinyl sales are rising,

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and this year they're up by more But a new survey for the BBC ahead

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of Record Store Day this weekend has revealed that almost half

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the people who buy vinyl In a moment we'll hear

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from a leading fertility expert who's warning women not

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to delay motherhood. What does that mean in practical

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terms? Did you delay becoming a parent? Does that ID ring true? Get

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in touch. Use the hashtag VictoriaLIVE

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and if you text, you will be charged It was a good night

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for Manchester United? This is possibly the last chance for

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them to secure some silverware. After faltering season, they are

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through to the FA Cup semifinal where they will face Everton. United

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beat West Ham 2-1 last night and it was the hammers last game. But

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Marcus Rushford ruined their celebrations with that brilliant

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strike. Marouane Fellaini bumbled in a second as United booked their

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place at Wembley in the last four later this month.

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I said I want a title and of course I am very happy. This is very

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important for the English clubs. You have seen the fans shouting during

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the game. Fantastic support. I like that.

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Everton drew 0-0 at Crystal Palace. James McCarthy was sent off early in

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the second half. On the Europe, and was a shock last night.

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Champions League favourites, and defending champions,

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Atletico Madrid beat them two-nil, overcoming their 2-1

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Barca are struggling at the moment, and their poor form continued

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as Antoine Griezeman gave Atletico the lead.

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from the penalty spot, after Andres Iniesta handled

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This is Barca's third loss in four games.

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So joining Atletico in the semi-finals will be Bayern Munich.

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They drew 2-2 with Benfica in Portugal, going

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That means Bayern manager Pep Guardiola could end up

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meeting his future employers Manchester City in the last four.

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Tonight, the Europa League takes centre stage.

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A big night at Anfield as Jurgen Klopp's Liverpool

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take on his former club, Borussia Dortmund.

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The sides drew 1-1 in Germany a week ago,

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the crucial away goal against the tournament favourites,

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and Klopp is hoping the crowd will play their their part

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We have to do our job really. We have to be part of this atmosphere.

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We have to show that we know what it is about. And then, I am pretty sure

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that the crowd will help us. World number one Novak Djokovic has

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been beaten for the first time this year, losing in the second

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round of the Monte Carlo Masters. Big shock for tennis fans,

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considering Djokovic hasn't exited But unseeded Czech player

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Yiri Vesely got the better of him to go through to the third round -

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and it's the first time he's beaten It's not often you get a fairytale

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ending but one of basketball's all-time greats Kobe Bryant has had

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pretty much the perfect He scored 60 points as he ended

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his glittering 20-year And it finished with

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a win as the Lakers The crowd was full of celebrities,

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David Beckham and Jack Nicholson And the most expensive

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ticket was sold for almost Incredible. That is all the sport

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for now. We know all the reasons why

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women are leaving it Lack of money, building a career,

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not meeting the right partner. But it's a trend that really worries

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one leading fertility expert. She's here this morning to tell us

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exclusively about a pilot project she's launching in schools, to warn

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girls as young as 15 that delaying motherhood when they're older

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could lead to fertility problems. So before we talk to her,

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it's worth looking at The best available evidence shows

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that among couples having 92% of women aged between 19 and 26

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will conceive after one year. That drops to 86% among women

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aged between 27 and 34. And it drops again to 82% among

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women aged between 35 and 39. Let's talk Dr Geeta Nargund,

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director at Create Fertility, which treats couples

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with fertility problems. We're also joined by Tanith Lee,

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who was diagnosed with early Leanne Dulson went

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through four cycles of IVF before she had her son, Max,

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and admits she left pregnancy late. Jessica Hepburn, who runs

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theatres and is author She went through 11 cycles

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of failed IVF treatment. Her and her partner have unexplained

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infertility, so they still do not know why they were

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unable to have children. And joining us from Liverpool

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is actress Tina Malone. She had her first child at 17

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and her second at 50. Welcome all of you. Thank you very

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much for coming on the programme. Let's start with you, Professor.

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Let's get straight to the nub of this. When is it too late to

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conceive, in your view? profound in women compared to men.

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The fact is, fertility problems happen in one in six couples in the

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UK. Infidelity seems to be the second was common reason why a woman

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visits her GP. It is not something to be ignored and the message about

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fertility education is, to me, a proactive, preventative and

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progressive health education message. What is the message?

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215-year-old girls in state schools? It is for boys and girls, not just

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girls. Although the first school will be a school for girls. The

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fertility modules, which have been approved, or chicken from basics to

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what is available and it is precisely to give options to women,

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if they need to delay, what they should do to protect their fertility

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and the options available. The modules will involve basic

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physiology and biology information. In the terms you will say to

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15-year-olds, what would you say? What they will say is clearly a

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message that is about understanding their bodies and the biology about

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the production of eggs, and other issues... And the decline in your

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30s? Absolutely. It is a very clear and logical message about how the

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biological clock works and what we can do and lifestyle factors that

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can affect fertility. For both boys and girls. Those figures, they

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suggest that at age ten three, 82% will conceive after one year. --

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35-39. I must also point out, we do not want women to end up with just

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the image of conception, groups are providing IVF, in fertility is

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distressing and strip and can be stressful and it is not always

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available. You will say that? No, but the reason behind the strong

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message in protect thing, protecting fertility and you think education is

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we do not want them to end up with infertility if possible and

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protecting fertility, it is balanced and scientific and the modules are

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designed like that. Tina Malone, what do you think? I think it is

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ethically and morally wrong to tell 15-year-old boys and girls about

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infertility. We should be educating them about sexually transmitted

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diseases, about the decisions to make with exams and career choices

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and subject choices, we should be educating them on alcohol, drugs,

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stuff like that. Not telling them about infertility, which, hopefully,

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will not affect them until their mid-30s and for me, and I am the

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voice of experience here, I gave birth at 18 and at 50, I was a child

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with a child. In my opinion, 15-year-old girls have selective

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hearing, to tell a 15-year-old, you need to be worried about infertility

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possibly in the future, that gives them another excuse or reason to

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encourage illegitimate children, teenage pregnancy and we have that

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in abundance in this country. We should educate them and not tell

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them about infertility. Let us be honest, it is something that we need

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to address, young mothers and the problems that are then created in

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this country through a lack of education and a lack of support and

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women not being able to bring these children up? Thank you for that. But

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the message is, we introduce sex and relationship education and through

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that we have successfully reduced teenage pregnancy. We're talking

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about complete reproductive health education, not about infertility, it

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is about fertility and part of that is about lifestyle factors like

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smoking, alcohol, drugs, sexually transmitted infections, body weight,

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how they can affect fertility so it is not just about the impact of age,

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it is about the current lifestyle factors and what effect that can

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have on future health and ability. You were diagnosed with early

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menopause at 38, you had done to children, thank goodness. You might

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think? Is this a good idea for teenagers at school to have this

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conversation? I do, in respect to education for the entire life-cycle,

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it is really important, we need to know what happens. We have puberty

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and about pregnancy but we do not talk about hitting older,

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particularly with the menopause, well a 15-year-old engage with the

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word menopause? That is tricky but it is in Portland to have these

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conversations, to talk about all of these things that could be ten

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chilly happen. What do you think? Not at 15, information is brilliant

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but that has to be at the right time and place and at 15, you should be

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worrying about exams. What is the right age? I do not know, certainly

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University and people go on to make life changes. I can see why a school

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you have a captive audience and it does link with reproduction but at

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15, they are not kids for long enough and this is giving them

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another worry they may not even need. You had your son, Max, after

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IVF and that was after four cycles. How old are you? I am 40 next year.

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Have you considered, maybe I left it too late? Hindsight is wonderful. If

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I knew what I know now, we would have tried years earlier but it has

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to be at the right time and must fit into your lifestyle, when you are

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emotionally and financially able and where the relationship is. Jessica?

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I would agree with Geeta, it is understanding about fertility. The

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thing that is not properly understood is that you are born with

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your lifetime supply of eggs and they gradually diminish as you get

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older. And if you believe that having -- leave having a baby until

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your 30s, it will be harder to conceive. A little bit. What is

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difficult is it could be fine. The average age of first-time mothers is

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increasing. However, we also know that the fertility industry is

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booming because more couples are struggling. Tell me honestly,

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imagine you are 15 again and in a fertility lesson or whatever you

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call it, with your friends, and somebody tells you, when you are 30

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two X will decline, you will not be bothered, it will change how the

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rest of your life is led? It might not but that does not mean we should

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not communicate effects cause what is happening is a number of women

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entering their 40s without children has doubled from our parents. You

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want to, and? And I can tell you that most of those children are not

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childless by choice, it is through circumstance. That is why people are

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leaving this later. What I would say, Tina, you have been looking to

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have children. -- lucky. But the second was born through the donation

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of a egg? I do understand what you are saying about telling them about

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the depletion of eggs from 35 and Geeta is the doctor and I am not,

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but let us be realistic here. At 15, you should not be looking for

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another excuse to encourage teenage girls to get pregnant and let us be

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honest, women nowadays, ten years ago, 20 years ago, women were not as

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encouraged or a successful in the boardroom and in the theatre and in

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the arts, in every area, education... Lesson are more

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successful than they were ten years ago, 20 years ago. -- women. They

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are taking charge of their lives. They are educating themselves so

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what they are doing is leaving choices, possibly making wiser

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decisions... Let Geeta comeback. Thank you. I want to make it clear

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that we did talk about the decline in eggs and it is clearly not the

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same for every woman, someone and have a more rapid decline than

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others so these examples help. Women who smoke, girls who smoke... Those

:25:54.:25:59.

with thyroid problems or a history of early menopause, this is part of

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education as to how this will affect you. And secondly, I want to address

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the career aspect because we are precisely sitting here for that

:26:11.:26:15.

reason. To allow women to be successful in whatever they want to

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do. We should be telling women in their 20s or at university and in

:26:24.:26:27.

later education... This is about options. They can freeze their eggs.

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These are options that should be available. I just think this is

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about education and giving choice. And that is what is really

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important. And I just feel that some of the things you are saying are

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scaremongering. I do not think about myself or attempt to want to

:26:52.:26:56.

encourage teenage pregnancy. What we're saying we want young people to

:26:57.:27:01.

understand the fertility life-cycle and if they put off later

:27:02.:27:06.

motherhood, it could be harder and it could mean that you may not have

:27:07.:27:14.

children. This anybody know... I will not be really listening to you

:27:15.:27:21.

telling them that they are being told their eggs are declining...

:27:22.:27:25.

Does anybody know of any woman or man who has put off being a parent

:27:26.:27:34.

until, say, 36, because my job is going well? What was the reason? I

:27:35.:27:41.

know of people, they say they will not have children until their 30s

:27:42.:27:45.

because they cannot afford to put a deposit on a house, I cannot afford

:27:46.:27:49.

to be socially, mentally, physically in the right place to bring a child

:27:50.:27:57.

into the world. Is that dot the most sensible thing? Absolutely, they

:27:58.:28:02.

need to be ready. That goes without saying. It is kind of irrelevant. It

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is empowerment and education. If I was a 15-year-old worried about my

:28:14.:28:16.

career and what I was going to wear on Friday night, and, as an

:28:17.:28:22.

18-year-old I had a child to bring up and I am not comfortable, I have

:28:23.:28:26.

my house, education, the confidence to give a child more so than in my

:28:27.:28:32.

younger years... You already do not like this idea of 15-year-olds? I

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think at 15 it is too young. I just think it does need to be something

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people are aware of, people say they will get their promotion and wait

:28:50.:28:51.

until they work overseas for a couple of years and wake the right

:28:52.:28:58.

boy. We bombard teenagers with too much information. I understand that

:28:59.:29:04.

Jessica and Geeta are coming from a good place but we should be talking

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them into going into education and discussing moral codes of etiquette

:29:10.:29:16.

and socially how they should be, hoping to change the world and

:29:17.:29:21.

change their lives, educate themselves, socially and morally and

:29:22.:29:23.

make the world a better place, rather than telling them, hear is

:29:24.:29:29.

another excuse to get pregnant? I got pregnant because some body

:29:30.:29:32.

mentioned to me that I might not be able to in my 30s. It is not like

:29:33.:29:40.

that. We can do all of that. We can educate about all of that, it is

:29:41.:29:44.

about education and knowing about what happens to the female body at a

:29:45.:29:49.

fundamental level. Take yourself back to when you were a 15-year-old.

:29:50.:29:56.

I am torn, I may not have engaged at that age but we did talk about sex

:29:57.:30:02.

and schools many years ago, so it is about having that conversation. And

:30:03.:30:08.

sex education is generally very poor and schools at the moment. We have

:30:09.:30:15.

spoken to parents about whether it is the right age from 15 and we have

:30:16.:30:20.

spoken to enlightened teachers and we have come up with these modules

:30:21.:30:28.

for fertility education after having conversations and consultation with

:30:29.:30:32.

the relevant stakeholders. We actually asked teachers to ask

:30:33.:30:38.

students and I can say that since the campaign began, there are lots

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of pupils who have been interviewed by television and radio and they

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say, we would love to know about this but this is about choice and

:30:48.:30:49.

what options are available. To let you read the messages from

:30:50.:30:58.

people watching the country. Alexandra says, I started trying to

:30:59.:31:04.

conceive a 26 and with no results after two years I have just finished

:31:05.:31:11.

my first round of IVF at 28. In not all cases is it true that if you try

:31:12.:31:17.

for children in your prime, you will not suffer from fertility problems.

:31:18.:31:20.

I am now five weeks pregnant thanks to IVF. Mag says I got pregnant with

:31:21.:31:29.

my first baby at 34 and now, after 22 months, I am planning a second.

:31:30.:31:34.

Healthy mums have healthy babies. Remember, babies, look after

:31:35.:31:41.

yourselves. -- remember, ladies. Helen says that she thinks that

:31:42.:31:45.

teaching can affect fertility. I did not meet my husband until I was 39

:31:46.:31:50.

and we tried to have a baby but it took three years of investigation

:31:51.:31:53.

and operations. When I was finally in a position to start IVF, I was

:31:54.:31:58.

given just a 5% chance of having children. Luckily, I had to boys,

:31:59.:32:05.

one now aged 44 and the other 46. Stella says, I am a mother of two

:32:06.:32:09.

boys but I always vote if I had a girl, I would encourage her not to

:32:10.:32:14.

delay. A couple more on Facebook, Samantha says that children should

:32:15.:32:17.

be taught that it is OK to wait until they are ready to have kids.

:32:18.:32:25.

It would be bought the lignite better to teach them to aim higher

:32:26.:32:28.

in terms of careers and seeing the world before they have children. --

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it would be better to teach them. Thank you very much, all of you.

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Thank you for coming on the programme. I am sure we will get

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loads more messages on that and we will try to read as many as possible

:32:46.:32:49.

throughout the programme. Get in touch in the usual way. Still to

:32:50.:32:54.

come, calls for Britain to get tougher to beat internet trawls.

:32:55.:32:57.

We'll talk to an MP campaigning to toughen legislation to protect

:32:58.:33:01.

people from online bullies. And when did you last get a pay rise? Bob

:33:02.:33:08.

Dudley, the BT boss -- BP boss, is in line for a pay rise of 2 billion

:33:09.:33:14.

quid, as jobs are cut at his company. We will look at why several

:33:15.:33:17.

shareholders are planning to block that pay rise. Good morning. Here is

:33:18.:33:23.

Ben with the news. is to make his first significant

:33:24.:33:28.

intervention in the European He will use a speech in London this

:33:29.:33:31.

morning to urge his supporters to back the European Union "warts

:33:32.:33:40.

and all" - but he'll argue Two migrants, who are

:33:41.:33:43.

believed to be from Iran, have been rescued from an inflatable

:33:44.:33:54.

boat off the coast of Dover. of this morning, but didn't

:33:55.:33:56.

know their exact position. They were picked up by a lifeboat

:33:57.:34:00.

after eight hours at sea. A passing ferry helped to locate

:34:01.:34:03.

them after spotting a light Several investors in BP are planning

:34:04.:34:14.

to vote against a decision to give a 20% pay rise to its Chief Executive.

:34:15.:34:19.

They are angry that his pay will rise to almost ?40 million at a time

:34:20.:34:22.

when profits are falling and jobs being lost. The company has defended

:34:23.:34:27.

the increase saying that his performance has surpassed

:34:28.:34:31.

expectation. A leading fertility expert is launching a pilot project

:34:32.:34:36.

in schools to warn girls as young as 15 that delaying motherhood could

:34:37.:34:44.

lead to fertility problems. The medical director at Creates

:34:45.:34:48.

Fertility told this programme why she believes it is so important for

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women to be aware of potential problems from a young age. I think

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what is important is that there is an age related decline in fertility,

:34:59.:35:03.

which is worse in women than men. The fact is that fertility problems

:35:04.:35:08.

happen in one in six couples in the UK. Infertility seems to be the

:35:09.:35:14.

second most common reason why a woman will visit a general

:35:15.:35:17.

practitioner. It is not something to be ignored and I think that the

:35:18.:35:21.

message here about fertility education is, to me, a proactive,

:35:22.:35:27.

preventative and progressive health education message.

:35:28.:35:31.

The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge have arrived in Bhutan on the fifth

:35:32.:35:34.

They touched down in the country this morning.

:35:35.:35:37.

They were greeted by a Bhutanese girl and boy bearing bunches of

:35:38.:35:46.

flowers. They are respected to meet the king and queen of the small

:35:47.:35:51.

Malayan kingdom today. -- they are expected. That is a summary of the

:35:52.:35:54.

BBC News. More at 10pm. Champions League favourites and

:35:55.:36:20.

defending champions Barcelona are out of the competition. Atletico

:36:21.:36:26.

Madrid beat them to nil, overcoming the loss in the first leg on

:36:27.:36:31.

aggregate. Novak Djokavic has been beaten for the first time this year,

:36:32.:36:36.

losing in the second round of the Monte Carlo Masters. He was beaten

:36:37.:36:39.

by unseeded Czech player, Jiri Vesely. It is the first and he has

:36:40.:36:44.

exited a tournament of this early since 2013. And in Formula 1, Lewis

:36:45.:36:49.

Hamilton will be given a five place grid penalty at the Chinese Grand

:36:50.:36:54.

Prix on Sunday, having decided to change his damaged gearbox, which is

:36:55.:36:58.

against the rules. Is enough being done to confront online abuse? Maria

:36:59.:37:03.

Millar, the former culture secretary, says that the government

:37:04.:37:07.

needs to update laws and work more closely with the internet giant to

:37:08.:37:10.

prevent what she calls a nightmare future for young people online.

:37:11.:37:15.

We'll speak to Maria in a moment, but first here's a clip

:37:16.:37:18.

of when the singer, Frankie Bridge, who has also been the victim

:37:19.:37:21.

of online abuse, confronted a former internet troll.

:37:22.:37:26.

Why do patrol people? What do you get out of it? I do not trawl any

:37:27.:37:34.

more. I used to. And why do you? It was to get a buzz. I get a reply of

:37:35.:37:40.

the people that I am trolling. The favourites, the retweets. People

:37:41.:37:47.

join in, and then sometimes it becomes a competition between

:37:48.:37:54.

trawls. Sometimes. Like you can be the nastiest? So the buzz that you

:37:55.:37:58.

get, is that from being horrible to someone or is the buzz from getting

:37:59.:38:02.

the attention? It is just getting tweets and favourites. Why do you

:38:03.:38:10.

enjoy the attention online? Would you be like that to someone in

:38:11.:38:15.

person, like you have said that you would rape someone or you have

:38:16.:38:19.

called them a bitch or something on Twitter, would you say that in

:38:20.:38:23.

person? No. I am a totally different person. So why do you think it is OK

:38:24.:38:29.

online? Because I think you are anonymous and you are not going to

:38:30.:38:34.

get caught. And did you not ever think how that made that person feel

:38:35.:38:39.

that you were saying that too. No. You do not think what saying.

:38:40.:38:46.

Maria Miller joins me now from our Westminster studio.

:38:47.:38:49.

Good morning. Tell us about this nightmare future. You have just

:38:50.:38:55.

heard in that report that people do not feel that there are consequences

:38:56.:38:59.

to the activity they undertake online. And the concern I have is

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that this feeds through to not just young people in terms of their

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relationships with each other, and what they think is acceptable, but

:39:10.:39:12.

also young children's access to pornography, which is now almost

:39:13.:39:19.

unlimited access. We are sleepwalking into some extremely

:39:20.:39:23.

serious problems. Unless we undertake a radical reform of the

:39:24.:39:27.

way that the law tackles these sorts of activities online. Tell me what

:39:28.:39:31.

examples you could give of legislation that could deter

:39:32.:39:38.

somebody from posting pornography online that would stop a young

:39:39.:39:42.

person clicking on it. I can give you a clear example of how putting

:39:43.:39:48.

in place a bespoke online laws has really helped to tackle a problem

:39:49.:39:51.

and that is in the area of revenge pornography. Along with a dedicated

:39:52.:39:58.

group of people, I campaigned to get a dedicated law to outlaw the

:39:59.:40:05.

posting of illicit and sexual images of people online without their

:40:06.:40:09.

permission. And we now see people starting to take that much more

:40:10.:40:14.

seriously and the increases in the number of reports and prosecutions

:40:15.:40:18.

is testament to the fact that bespoke laws can really help to

:40:19.:40:23.

unearth the scale of this problem and show people that there are

:40:24.:40:27.

consequences to their actions. So are you saying that you could do

:40:28.:40:32.

something similar to stop people posting pornography online? I think

:40:33.:40:36.

in terms of posting and accessing pornography online, obviously that

:40:37.:40:43.

is pornography, pornography is legal over the age of 18, but the issue is

:40:44.:40:47.

making sure that those that are placing material online, that it is

:40:48.:40:52.

legal material, and that they are doing what they should be doing to

:40:53.:40:54.

make sure that access is only for those over the age of 18. I think

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what this points out is that there is a cornucopia of problems with

:41:00.:41:07.

online activity and that illegal activity is going unchallenged in

:41:08.:41:10.

some areas. The government needs to have a review of the law, and also

:41:11.:41:14.

look at the way that those providing online services police their own

:41:15.:41:19.

products. We would not expect a supermarket to be putting illegal

:41:20.:41:22.

products on their shelves and letting people purchase them, yet at

:41:23.:41:26.

the moment we seem to not have effective measures to stop the same

:41:27.:41:30.

thing happening within social media platforms. So there is a two pronged

:41:31.:41:36.

approach, better laws, more clear, concise laws, and also perhaps a

:41:37.:41:39.

change of culture or mindset about the internet two we know, many

:41:40.:41:45.

people say it is about freedom of access and expression, and freedom

:41:46.:41:49.

of speech. As a nation, we have always realise that freedom of

:41:50.:41:51.

speech comes with responsibilities. At the moment, those that are

:41:52.:41:58.

exercising their right to freedom of speech online, sometimes, people are

:41:59.:42:04.

not really understanding the responsibilities that they have when

:42:05.:42:08.

they undertake that right of freedom. Nobody has the right to

:42:09.:42:13.

abuse somebody. Nobody has the right to the fame and individual online,

:42:14.:42:15.

but at the moment, because of the way the industry has set itself up,

:42:16.:42:20.

people can get away with those sorts of crimes without being challenged

:42:21.:42:24.

because the law is such a patchwork, and very difficult to implement. Is

:42:25.:42:28.

anyone listening in the government is to what you were saying? The

:42:29.:42:33.

Crown Prosecution Service has just launched a further consultation

:42:34.:42:37.

around the issue of impersonation, people setting up web pages that are

:42:38.:42:41.

pretending to be somebody they are not. And that is to be welcomed. But

:42:42.:42:45.

this piecemeal approach is really not tackling the underlying problem,

:42:46.:42:49.

that we need to have a future proofed framework of legislation, a

:42:50.:42:53.

clear framework for operators to operate within, and most importantly

:42:54.:42:59.

of all, to ensure that there is a strong education programmes people

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know that they will potentially have a criminal conviction if they

:43:03.:43:06.

undertake the sort of activities that your report showed was perhaps

:43:07.:43:10.

sometimes just bravado, but leaving people victims appalling abuse in

:43:11.:43:15.

their wake. Thank you for talking to us. They do for your comments on

:43:16.:43:23.

plans to teach teenagers that potentially delaying her becoming a

:43:24.:43:29.

parent could cause infertility problems. Helga tweeted, it is

:43:30.:43:40.

outrageous. 15-year-olds should be concentrating on GCSEs and healthy

:43:41.:43:43.

relationships, not fertility. Martina says, here we go again,

:43:44.:43:47.

women being blamed for having children. Women can do what they

:43:48.:43:51.

like even if they do not want children. And Nick says, I do not

:43:52.:43:54.

think it is necessary to be taught in schools. It is something you

:43:55.:43:58.

learn and decide during your 20s and 30s and I cannot see how that would

:43:59.:44:01.

have an immediate effect on you when you leave school. Coming up, Jeremy

:44:02.:44:07.

Corbyn has spent a lot of his career criticising the European Union. This

:44:08.:44:10.

morning he will set out why he thinks that you should vote to stay

:44:11.:44:15.

in when it comes to June's referendum. We will hear some of the

:44:16.:44:20.

speech live and we will talk to two undecided voters to see what they

:44:21.:44:22.

think of what he has to say. Does any boss, right now,

:44:23.:44:26.

in a time of wage restraint and very very low inflation,

:44:27.:44:29.

deserve a 20% pay rise? Particularly when the company the

:44:30.:44:31.

boss runs has seen falling profits? Oil giant BP is holding its annual

:44:32.:44:34.

general meeting for shareholders in London today and some of those

:44:35.:44:38.

shareholders are planning to vote against their chief executive

:44:39.:44:41.

Bob Dudley's 20% wage rise, which, by the way, would take his pay

:44:42.:44:47.

packet to ?13.8 million. The tricky thing is,

:44:48.:44:50.

some of those same shareholders voted for the very pay

:44:51.:44:54.

policy that's led to this And, the company says,

:44:55.:44:57.

BP's performance has "surpassed the board's expectations on almost

:44:58.:45:01.

all of the measures John Purcell is a headhunter

:45:02.:45:03.

at Purcell Co and Stefan Stern is the director

:45:04.:45:12.

of the High Pay Centre. What is that? We are a think tank

:45:13.:45:24.

that looks at high pay. What do think tanks to? We think, research

:45:25.:45:30.

and come on television! Perfect! Is it too much? 20%? It does look very

:45:31.:45:39.

odd. Their biggest ever losses for 20 years, thousands of jobs gone,

:45:40.:45:43.

his pension is going up hugely as part of this deal and that is a

:45:44.:45:47.

tough message for the former BP employees who are more concerned

:45:48.:45:51.

about their own future and for talented people in the industry.

:45:52.:45:55.

They will look at BPL thing, is that where I want to go? This is a CEO

:45:56.:46:00.

who is rewarded for getting rid of people at a time of losses. Is that

:46:01.:46:06.

the career path I want? This is problematic and this is why

:46:07.:46:09.

investors are speak up -- speaking up because they will think, this is

:46:10.:46:15.

not a good business decision. As shareholders who voted for this very

:46:16.:46:19.

formula? There are some unintended circumstances and we do not know

:46:20.:46:23.

what the numbers will be an awesome on things, in one sense... Safety

:46:24.:46:31.

was excellent? And so it should be and whether history that is

:46:32.:46:35.

important but is that not part of the job anyway? Of running a big

:46:36.:46:41.

company? Health and safety is a given, why get a bonus for that? I

:46:42.:46:46.

would raise that as a question. What do you think? Taking a swipe at

:46:47.:46:51.

Executive page is the political equivalent of an open goal. It is

:46:52.:46:58.

easy at 20%? What is inflation? 1.2%. But anyway, the issue of

:46:59.:47:07.

Executive page, it is easy but the point is, the schema set out number

:47:08.:47:11.

two years ago and a new scheme will be brought in after this point which

:47:12.:47:16.

could change the system. But if they were to physically rip up the deal

:47:17.:47:21.

that was agreed, that would also send out a bad message that you

:47:22.:47:25.

cannot trust us, if you see we can do something and you meet those

:47:26.:47:30.

targets and then we will not pay you, I don't think anybody in any

:47:31.:47:37.

job would accept those conditions. If investors vote against this

:47:38.:47:43.

today, doesn't mean that he will not get that 20% pay rise? It is

:47:44.:47:48.

non-binding, it will be an indication of displeasure but unless

:47:49.:47:52.

they get a huge majority, I do not think this will affect the outcome.

:47:53.:47:58.

Do they really mean it if they vote against it or is this just to send a

:47:59.:48:02.

signal that they are against Executive pay? A bit of both, they

:48:03.:48:07.

would be embarrassed but they genuinely think that this number is

:48:08.:48:11.

much too big and they will say it is damaging the interests of the

:48:12.:48:15.

company by being seen to be overpaying at a time of constraint

:48:16.:48:19.

for everyone else. When we talk about investors and shareholders,

:48:20.:48:25.

who are they? That there's fair question, shareholders or a wide

:48:26.:48:29.

range of people, who hold shares for a longer period, some of them trade

:48:30.:48:34.

them instantly, at home on their laptop while watching this

:48:35.:48:38.

programme. The asset managers, the fund managers, they represent big

:48:39.:48:44.

pools of shares so the individual shareholders will go to the AGM,

:48:45.:48:49.

grandparents, retirees, that is a tiny proportion, we call them

:48:50.:48:55.

shareholders but as a way of powerful conversations, that is

:48:56.:48:59.

between about 25 people... Institutional shareholders. The

:49:00.:49:04.

individuals taking these decisions on votes. And they are also

:49:05.:49:07.

desensitised from some of these bigger numbers because they are all

:49:08.:49:12.

in a very big number again, people around the table are used to big

:49:13.:49:17.

numbers and that is partly why some of these numbers get signed through.

:49:18.:49:21.

Is that fair? They are so used to these numbers, that they are in an

:49:22.:49:26.

almost insular world, they do not see... Or is that very naive? You

:49:27.:49:34.

are moving into the territory of hating the game and not the players

:49:35.:49:38.

and what I mean is, it is easy to pick out individuals, next week it

:49:39.:49:42.

will be Sir Martin Sorrell, the advertising guy, he will get ?60

:49:43.:49:49.

million. He will be the target next week. I'll be saying we hate the

:49:50.:49:55.

game overall? Or are we after individual players? If it is the

:49:56.:50:00.

overall picture, that is a very big job because we're talking about

:50:01.:50:04.

capitalism itself, how do we want to run the world? Best people for the

:50:05.:50:11.

job and all that? It is huge conversation and not one given to

:50:12.:50:14.

easy headlines. It is easy to generate a headline but it does not

:50:15.:50:18.

bring you very far. ?60 million every year? Yes. But something is

:50:19.:50:26.

missing from this game and that is the voice of the ordinary worker and

:50:27.:50:29.

employee, there is no representative of the workforce sitting around the

:50:30.:50:35.

table when they renew a committee is coming up with these numbers and

:50:36.:50:37.

that is partly why we get these almost unreal numbers. Nobody from

:50:38.:50:44.

the shop floor, the oil rigs, engineers, saying 20%? ?40 million?

:50:45.:50:53.

Somebody needs to say that. It has been my view that for some time the

:50:54.:50:58.

nonexecutive directors of public companies have been asleep at the

:50:59.:51:03.

wheel. What are they doing? It is a key part of their job to hold the

:51:04.:51:10.

board to account. There is a sense that it isn't old boys club, it is a

:51:11.:51:16.

merry-go-round, I think it is changing and there are more women

:51:17.:51:20.

coming on board as nonexecutive directors to bring some balance but

:51:21.:51:23.

I think that nonexecutive is, it has become much tougher and they need to

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step up and do the job. Thank you both very much.

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Coming up - yet more cats have been killed

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We'll be speaking to one victim and those trying

:51:34.:51:37.

Thank you for your thoughts but plans to teach teenagers as

:51:38.:51:51.

potentially delaying becoming apparent could cause infertility

:51:52.:51:54.

problems. Cirrus, why are we teaching teenagers about infertility

:51:55.:52:01.

before consent? Stop by the -- stop prioritising biology over welfare.

:52:02.:52:06.

Another says, what about ensuring a family as a cohesive unit and

:52:07.:52:08.

financially stable before having a child? Children should be taught

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that it is OK for children to wait until the ready to have children,

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especially considering the high number of teenage pregnancies in the

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UK, it would be better to teach them to aim higher in terms of careers

:52:22.:52:25.

and seeing the world first. Before choosing to be anchored with

:52:26.:52:28.

children. And that message was so good, I have read it twice!

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In the next few minutes the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn,

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will set out why he thinks Britain is better off staying

:52:35.:52:36.

We'll bring you that speech live when it happens.

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His position on Europe is backed by most of his MPs

:52:40.:52:43.

in the Labour Party, but Mr Corbyn himself has not

:52:44.:52:45.

Over his 33 years as an MP, his views on Britain's relationship

:52:46.:52:50.

with Europe have changed and it's brought him in for a fair

:52:51.:52:53.

Leave campaigners say he's backtracking after years

:52:54.:52:57.

The Remain camp say he hasn't been vocal enough in backing them.

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In the next hour he'll give a speech setting out why he now thinks

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But let's look back at his past positions.

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In 1975 Jeremy Corbyn voted to leave the European Economic Community,

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which is what the EU was known as then.

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Then, in 1993, he criticised the Maastricht Treaty,

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which established the European Union.

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In reference to the economy he said it took power away from national

:53:37.:53:39.

parliaments and put it in the hands "an unelected set of bankers".

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Here's him making his case against the EU in 1996.

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You have European bureaucracy totally unaccountable to anybody.

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Powers have gone from national parliaments, they haven't gone

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They've gone to the Commission and, to some extent,

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He also voted against the Lisbon Treaty in 2008 -

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a treaty which made changes to the European Union to make

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Then, during his leadership campaign last year, he refused to rule out

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In one hustings he said he had "mixed feelings" and accused the EU

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Now he says the UK should remain, but says he's not on the same side

:54:20.:54:27.

He wants a "social Europe" that protects workers' rights

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Here in the studio we're joined by our two undecided voters,

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who we spoke to last month - Kerry Gadd and Jarel Robinson-Brown.

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We're going to see if Corbyn's speech helps any of you make your

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One of the is leaning towards staying? Me! And one is leaning

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towards getting out? And we will ask you to watch some of the speech and

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see if it has any impact whatsoever in terms of your decision. Have you

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been picking up speeches that people have been making? Reading and going

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online? Or is it switching you off? In my opinion, I think it is

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switching me off because the more speeches and reports that I read,

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they seem to be more leaning for the politicians to understand rather

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than the public themselves. So there is a lot of noise and is this going

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over your head? Yes. I would agree with Kerry, I still feel, I am

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hearing lots of information but it is not that clear and I have not had

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this document that some people have had through the door. The leaflet

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explaining why. I think that would help. All of the things that I have

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watched, for some reason might... That is interesting, you think the

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taxpayer money spent producing this leaflet to explain why the

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government wants to devote to remain will help? I think. I think the

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government will try to make things as clear as possible and I am hoping

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that this case and actually in my present an argument that I can

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sympathise with. Possibly. But I do not know what is in it. It is about

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this big. Black and Whites. I very much agree with Jarel, but it would

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hopefully persuade me to make a decision, yes! Do you feel a big

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responsibility when it comes to this vote? There are still ten weeks.

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There is still plenty of time. But it is your decision. This is the

:56:55.:57:00.

future of your country! I do feel a lot of responsibility, I keep

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thinking of the next generation and generations after us who will have

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to live with this decision. Who knows how long it will be until

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another referendum. And for me, that is quite important because I feel a

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sense of responsibility. Are you having any conversations with

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friends and relatives about this? Or are you getting on with life in the

:57:22.:57:28.

real world? I have spoken to my father-in-law about it, we have

:57:29.:57:32.

discussed about leaving and which side is better but I said I am still

:57:33.:57:38.

undecided. I really do hope that politicians and Jeremy Corbyn today

:57:39.:57:43.

will address something that would help me relate to what he says,

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basically. But yes, I have not spoken to many people, I have been

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looking on my own, in my own time, just getting on with my life and I

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still do not understand what is going on! Like a lot of people. You

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will watch the speech from Jeremy Corbyn and we will talk to but

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afterwards to see if it resonates in any way. And we will hear Jeremy

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Corbyn speaking live just after 10am. That is the audience waiting.

:58:18.:58:26.

Let's get the latest weather update. We have the highest temperature in

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England so far, reaching 19 degrees yesterday. Don't get used to it, it

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will get colder over the next 48 hours, cold for some snow over the

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hills. Some sunshine to start this morning, this was Christchurch, most

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people started cloudy, this was the scene in Barnsley in West Yorkshire.

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Across the North, we had thicker cloud bringing showers across North

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Wales, through Cheshire and the Greater Manchester area and those

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showers will continue into parts of Yorkshire as well over the next few

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hours and through the rest of the day the skies will try to brighten

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up, there will be some decent sunshine to come across south-east

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England, it will feel warm in the sun and Ted Richards climbing to 18

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degrees and staying dry. Further north, some showers breaking out and

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they will turn heavy and thundery and a change in the weather later

:59:19.:59:22.

on, a band of rain pushing into parts of south-west England and that

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will turn heavy into the evening. Before North of England, Northern

:59:28.:59:30.

Ireland and Scotland, there will be a lot of cloud around but still some

:59:31.:59:34.

brighter spells getting through at times and temperatures, struggling

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with highs of eight or 9 degrees for many. Overnight, one area of rain

:59:39.:59:43.

pushing from the south, moving into Central parts of England and Wales

:59:44.:59:46.

but at the same time another band of rain sinking southwards across

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Scotland and behind this, the air gets significantly colder so it will

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be cold enough to see some of rain turning to snow over some of the

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Scottish high ground, April snow for some of us. Friday, these two bands

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of rain wrecks together, bringing a lot of cloud with outbreaks of rain

:00:06.:00:08.

around and it will be a cooler day across southern areas of England and

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Wales temperature recent days but not as cold as it will be further

:00:12.:00:14.

north than northerly wind settling in, which we showers on the way and

:00:15.:00:18.

temperatures, for some, around 6 degrees. Through Friday night, this

:00:19.:00:24.

low pressure moves into the continent and that opens the door

:00:25.:00:28.

for cold northerly winds to plunge from the Arctic so it will be chilly

:00:29.:00:32.

for the start of the weekend and we will have an area of rain attention

:00:33.:00:35.

to bringing some flakes of snow over some of the higher hills for easing

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off. Cold winter Saturday and Ted Richards struggling, highs of 9

:00:41.:00:44.

degrees in the North and just about poking into double figures in the

:00:45.:00:47.

South but in those colder winds will feel chilly. This weekend that

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starting especially well, things getting drier and brighter through

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Sunday at it will stay on the cool side as well but the best sunshine

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likely towards the south-west. Good morning. I am Victoria

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Derbyshire and welcome to the programme. Jeremy Corbyn has spent a

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lot of his career criticising the European Union and in a few minutes

:01:14.:01:16.

he will give a speech setting out why he thinks you should vote to

:01:17.:01:21.

stay in the EU in June's vote. We will bring you the speech live in a

:01:22.:01:26.

minute or two. We will be discussing whether 15-year-olds should be

:01:27.:01:31.

taught that delayed parenthood leads to problems having children. This is

:01:32.:01:35.

a debate that has got to talking. Clearly, this is a message about

:01:36.:01:40.

biology and understanding of bodies and biology. It is about eggs, the

:01:41.:01:48.

production of eggs,... And the number of eggs decline in your 30s?

:01:49.:01:53.

Absolutely. You can see the full discussion on our programme page:

:01:54.:01:59.

And two months after we told you about a series of cat killings

:02:00.:02:03.

across London, get more have been found dead.

:02:04.:02:05.

We talked to one victim's owner and those trying to catch the killer.

:02:06.:02:14.

Ben Brown is in the BBC newsroom with a summary of the day's news.

:02:15.:02:27.

is to make his first significant intervention in the European

:02:28.:02:31.

In a speech in central London in the next few minutes, he is expected to

:02:32.:02:37.

say that the EU provides workers rights as well as environmental

:02:38.:02:41.

protection. He will acknowledge shortcomings in Brussels but will

:02:42.:02:44.

argue that reform should be sought for within. We will bring you that

:02:45.:02:45.

speech live a very shortly. Two migrants, who are

:02:46.:02:48.

believed to be from Iran, have been rescued from an inflatable

:02:49.:02:51.

boat off the coast of Dover. They were picked up by a lifeboat

:02:52.:02:53.

after eight hours at sea. A passing ferry helped to locate

:02:54.:02:56.

them after spotting a light Delays in accident and emergency

:02:57.:03:08.

units in England have had regular levels for the second month in a

:03:09.:03:13.

row. Figures show 87.8% of patients were dealt with within the four

:03:14.:03:19.

hours. The target is 95%. Delays in discharging patients who were ready

:03:20.:03:21.

to leave hospital remained at historically high levels. Five

:03:22.:03:29.

police officers were injured during a confrontation in Sheffield last

:03:30.:03:33.

night with a man armed with an axe. The man was arrested on suspicion of

:03:34.:03:39.

attentive murder. Several large investors in the oil giant, BP,

:03:40.:03:42.

planned to vote against a decision to give a 20% pay rise to its Chief

:03:43.:03:46.

Executive. They are angry that his pay packet will rise to almost ?40

:03:47.:03:52.

billion -- ?40 million at a time when BP's profits are falling and

:03:53.:03:56.

jobs are being lost. The company defended the increase, saying that

:03:57.:04:00.

his performance has surpassed expectations. Stephan Stern is from

:04:01.:04:04.

a research group looking into executive pay and told this

:04:05.:04:08.

programme that the increases seems odd at the current time. His pension

:04:09.:04:12.

is going up hugely as part of this deal and that is a pretty tough

:04:13.:04:16.

message for former BP employees who are perhaps more concerned about

:04:17.:04:20.

their future now. And for talented people in the industry, they look at

:04:21.:04:24.

BP and they think, is that where I want to go? This is a CEO that seems

:04:25.:04:28.

to be getting rewarded for getting rid of people during a time of

:04:29.:04:32.

losses. Is that of the career path I want to? Is that the culture I want

:04:33.:04:40.

to join? This is problematic and that is not a good business decision

:04:41.:04:41.

for the company. Two teenage girls have been arrested

:04:42.:04:45.

on suspicion of kidnapping a three-year-old girl

:04:46.:04:48.

in Newcastle city centre. Police launched a large scale search

:04:49.:04:49.

after the child went missing from the Primark store

:04:50.:04:52.

in Northumberland Street She was found just over an hour

:04:53.:04:54.

later a few miles away in Gosforth. The 13 and 14 year old teenagers

:04:55.:04:58.

are in custody on suspicion The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge

:04:59.:05:01.

have arrived in Bhutan on the fifth They touched down in

:05:02.:05:09.

the country this morning. They were greeted by aborigines girl

:05:10.:05:17.

and boy bearing bunches of flowers. They are expected to spend the day

:05:18.:05:21.

watching a traditional archery match and meeting the King and queen of

:05:22.:05:27.

this small Himalayan kingdom. That is the summary of the latest BBC

:05:28.:05:29.

News. Back to Victoria. Thanks for your comments about

:05:30.:05:37.

whether teenagers should be taught about the risks of delaying

:05:38.:05:42.

parenthood. Cassie says, I am 39 and struggling with fertility and I

:05:43.:05:47.

wished I knew how hard it was. Matt Dea says 15-year-old are too young

:05:48.:05:51.

for exposure to fertility. Don't bombard kids with this. And from

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Rebecca, I am 31 and sick of being told I need to have children now. I

:05:57.:06:01.

live in a rented flat and my job is not secure. Surely this is not the

:06:02.:06:05.

right situation to have a child just because I may experience fertility

:06:06.:06:09.

issues. If you are texting, you will be charged at the usual network

:06:10.:06:17.

rate. Here is the sport. We're talking netball this morning because

:06:18.:06:20.

Manchester Thunder and Yorkshire Jets are on the verge of history

:06:21.:06:24.

ahead of an end of season clash on Monday. I am delighted to say that

:06:25.:06:29.

Sara Bayman is with me. You can tell us better than most, why are these

:06:30.:06:34.

teams about to enter the record books? Hopefully it will be the

:06:35.:06:38.

biggest domestic game ever in this country. We are holding it in the

:06:39.:06:42.

Manchester Arena and hoping for a massive crowd. With it being a

:06:43.:06:48.

Yorkshire, yanking the -- Yorkshire and Lancashire rivalry, we hope to

:06:49.:06:51.

get a lot of support. How many fans are you expecting? At the moment,

:06:52.:06:59.

the record is 6500, so if we can get close to that, we will be happy.

:07:00.:07:03.

What would it be like to play in front of 6000 fans? The bigger the

:07:04.:07:08.

crowd, the better. It gives you such a buzz. It really motivates you to

:07:09.:07:16.

put up a good performance. This is one of two a good performance is

:07:17.:07:19.

announced today because it has been announced that English players will

:07:20.:07:23.

be professional now. How much of a difference will that make? It could

:07:24.:07:26.

make a huge difference in terms of having netball to focus on in the

:07:27.:07:32.

run-up to the World Cup. We want to do really well in the World Cup and

:07:33.:07:35.

going full-time, that will give us that edge. It seems that netball,

:07:36.:07:39.

people are taking an interest in it and really enjoying it at the

:07:40.:07:44.

moment. Is that there? I think the media coverage has really gone up.

:07:45.:07:47.

The fact that women's sport is generally on the rise, it has given

:07:48.:07:51.

netball a boost, with the number of people coming to the games and

:07:52.:07:55.

watching it on TV. Hopefully that will continue. What is it about

:07:56.:07:58.

Liverpool that has captured people's attention? -- what is it about

:07:59.:08:06.

netball. The fact that it is a sport is fantastic, providing girls with

:08:07.:08:10.

role models. And it is so fast and physical. People come to the live

:08:11.:08:14.

game and they did not realise how fast it was. It gives you an

:08:15.:08:17.

appreciation of that, better than on TV. The home World Cup in 2019 in

:08:18.:08:22.

Liverpool. That is going to be tough, especially when you consider

:08:23.:08:25.

the dominance of teams like Australia and New Zealand. I think

:08:26.:08:30.

of the league in Australia is so strong that they keep pushing each

:08:31.:08:35.

other to the next level. For us, it is about trying to overtake them and

:08:36.:08:38.

hopefully with a home crowd behind us in Liverpool we can do something

:08:39.:08:43.

special and break the dominance of the top two. With international

:08:44.:08:47.

players going professional, do you see a day when players at club level

:08:48.:08:52.

are able to go full-time? I think that is the aspiration. Events like

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this show how professional the sport has become and how seriously

:09:04.:09:07.

everyone is taking it. I do so much for joining us. That is all the

:09:08.:09:12.

sport for now. -- thank you so much. And that match will be at the

:09:13.:09:16.

Manchester Arena on Monday. And you both. Thanks for tuning in.

:09:17.:09:21.

The Labour Party is campaigning to stay in the European Union

:09:22.:09:23.

in June's referendum - the majority of the party's

:09:24.:09:25.

Jeremy Corbyn is making his first speech about it. Here he is. Thank

:09:26.:09:41.

you very much. Like Alan, I am delighted to be here in Senate

:09:42.:09:45.

house, this wonderful art deco building. Of course, it is where

:09:46.:09:50.

George Orwell based his novel, 1984, this building was the Ministry of

:09:51.:09:59.

truth. Let us see! Thanks for coming, everyone, today. Thanks to

:10:00.:10:03.

all of those who organise the day's event. Critical events do not happen

:10:04.:10:07.

by accident. The Labour Party did not happen by accident, we are

:10:08.:10:11.

essentially a massive voluntary organisation trying to change the

:10:12.:10:14.

lives of everyone in this country for the better. That is what the

:10:15.:10:18.

Labour Party is about. I thank you all for coming today, and for your

:10:19.:10:23.

work within the party. The people in this country faced a historic

:10:24.:10:26.

decision on the 23rd of June, whether to remain part of the

:10:27.:10:30.

European Union or to leave. I welcome the fact that that decision

:10:31.:10:34.

is now in the hands of the people. Indeed, I voted to support a

:10:35.:10:37.

referendum during the last Parliament. The move to hold this

:10:38.:10:42.

referendum may have been more about managing divisions of the

:10:43.:10:47.

Conservative Party, but it is now a crucial democratic opportunity for

:10:48.:10:51.

people to have their say on our country's future and the future of

:10:52.:10:57.

our continent us all. As Allen explained, the Labour Party is

:10:58.:11:01.

overwhelmingly for staying in, because we believe the European

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Union has brought investment, jobs and protection for workers,

:11:05.:11:09.

consumers and the environment, and offers the best chance of meeting

:11:10.:11:12.

the challenges that we face in the 21st century. Labour is convinced

:11:13.:11:19.

that the vote to remain in is in the best interests of the people in this

:11:20.:11:23.

country. In the coming century, we face absolutely huge challenges. As

:11:24.:11:28.

a people, as a condiment, and as a global community. How to deal with

:11:29.:11:37.

climate change, how to address the power of global corporations and

:11:38.:11:41.

ensure that they paid their taxes, how to tackle cyber crime and

:11:42.:11:46.

terrorism, how to ensure that we trade fairly and protect jobs and

:11:47.:11:50.

pay in and year of globalisation. How to address the causes of the

:11:51.:11:57.

huge refugee movements across the world. -- in an era. There are now

:11:58.:12:02.

more people than any time in recorded history who are refugees

:12:03.:12:09.

across the planet. And how do we adapt to a world where people

:12:10.:12:14.

everywhere move more frequently to live, work and retire? All of these

:12:15.:12:20.

issues are serious and pressing, and self-evidently require international

:12:21.:12:25.

cooperation. Collective international action through the

:12:26.:12:28.

European Union is clearly going to help meet these vital challenges.

:12:29.:12:32.

Britain will be stronger if we cooperate with our neighbours in

:12:33.:12:38.

facing those challenges together. Portugal's new socialist Prime

:12:39.:12:42.

Minister, a good friend, Antonio Costa, said this. In the face of all

:12:43.:12:50.

these crises around the world, we must not divide Europe, we must

:12:51.:12:52.

strengthen it. When the last referendum was held in 1975, Europe

:12:53.:12:57.

was divided by the Cold War and what later became the EU was much

:12:58.:13:02.

smaller, purely market-driven in nature. Over the years, I and many

:13:03.:13:07.

others have been very critical of many decisions taken by the EU and I

:13:08.:13:13.

remain very critical of its shortcomings. From its lack of

:13:14.:13:16.

democratic accountability, to the institutional pressures to

:13:17.:13:19.

deregulate or privatise public services. So Europe needs to change.

:13:20.:13:26.

But that change can only come from working with our allies in the

:13:27.:13:31.

European Union to achieve it. It is perfect with possible to be critical

:13:32.:13:34.

and still be convinced that we need to remain a member. I have had a few

:13:35.:13:40.

differences with the direction the Labour Party has taken over the past

:13:41.:13:43.

few years, some people may have noticed. But I have been sure that

:13:44.:13:52.

it was right to stay as a member of the party. I joined the Labour Party

:13:53.:13:56.

when I was 16 and I am proud of that. Some might say that I have

:13:57.:14:00.

managed to do something more recently about changing the

:14:01.:14:03.

direction of the Labour Party and I am enjoying that as well. In

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contrast, four decades ago, the EU of today brought together most of

:14:08.:14:14.

the countries in Europe, and has developed important employment,

:14:15.:14:15.

environmental and consumer protections. I have listened closely

:14:16.:14:22.

to the views of trade Unions, environmental groups, human rights

:14:23.:14:26.

organisations and, of course, the Labour Party members and supporters

:14:27.:14:29.

and fellow members of Parliament. They are overwhelmingly convinced

:14:30.:14:35.

that we can best make a positive difference by remaining in Europe,

:14:36.:14:39.

and Britain needs to stay in the EU as the best framework for trade,

:14:40.:14:44.

manufacturing and cooperation in the 21st century. Tens of billions of

:14:45.:14:47.

pounds worth of investment and millions of jobs are linked to our

:14:48.:14:50.

relationship with the EU. The biggest market in the world. EU

:14:51.:14:55.

membership has guaranteed working people vital employment rights,

:14:56.:15:00.

including four weeks paid holiday, maternity and paternity leave, the

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protection for agency workers, health and safety in the workplace.

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Being in the EU has raised our environmental staters from beaches

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to ear quality, protecting consumers from rip-off charges. But we also

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need to make the case for reforming Europe. The reform that David

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Cameron's government has no interest in but plenty of others across

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Europe do. That means democratic reform, to make the EU more

:15:30.:15:32.

accountable to the people. Economic reform to end self-defeating

:15:33.:15:38.

austerity and put jobs and sustainable growth at the centre of

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European policy. APPLAUSE.

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Labour market reform to strengthen and extend the rights of workers in

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a real social Europe. And new rights for governments and elected

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authorities to support public enterprise and halt the pressure to

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privatise services. The case I am making for remaining and reform in

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Europe, today is the global day of action for fast food workers rights.

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In the US, workers are demanding $15 per hour, in the UK, ?10, Labour is

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an internationalist party and socialists have understood from the

:16:30.:16:32.

earliest days of the movement that workers need to make common cause

:16:33.:16:38.

across national borders. Working together in Europe has led to

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significant gains for workers in Britain and we are determined to

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deliver further progressive reform. The democratic Europe of social

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justice and workers rights that people throughout the continent want

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to see. Real reform will mean making aggressive alliances across Europe,

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something the Conservatives will never do and probably do not

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understand. Take, for example, the crisis in the steel industry. It is

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a global problem and a challenge to many European governments. So why is

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it that only the British Government has failed so copper survey to act

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to save steel production at home? The European Commission proposed new

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tariffs on Chinese steel bodied was the British Government that blocked

:17:25.:17:28.

those coordinated efforts to stop Chinese steel dumping. Those

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proposals are still on the table. Today, I asked David Cameron and

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George Osborne to start sticking up for steel in this country and work

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with our willing European partners to secure the future of this

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absolutely vital industry. It is in their hands.

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APPLAUSE. There are certainly problems about

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EU state aid rules which need reform. But if, as the Leeds side

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argues, the European Union is a problem, how is it that Germany,

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Italy, France and Spain have done much better at protecting their

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steel industry than the British Government? Again, I say to David

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Cameron and George Osborne, act now to defend and support our steel

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industry. It is because those other countries who have acted within EU

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state aid rules to support their industries whether by taking a

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public stake, investing in research, providing guarantees or compensating

:18:40.:18:43.

for energy costs. It is not the EU that is a problem at the

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Conservative problem in Britain -- government in Britain that does not

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recognise the strategic importance of the steel industry. It is

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important for the economy and jobs and skills of those communities.

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Communities that are not going through such tension and pressure as

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they are fearful for the future of their jobs. And all of the local

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community that goes with them. The Conservative government has blocked

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action on Chinese steel dumping, it has cut investment in infrastructure

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that would have created demand for more steel and had no procurement

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strategy to support our steel industry. A Labour government would

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have worked very differently with partners across Europe to stand up

:19:29.:19:33.

for steel production in this country. That is what a Labour

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government would do, so differently to what his government is doing. The

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European Union has 28 countries and 520 million people. It could have

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made it stronger by defending the steel industry together, the actions

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of the Conservative government have weakened us. The jobs created by

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this government are too often low skill, low pay and insecure. If we

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harness the potential of Europe, we could be doing far more to defend

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high skill jobs in the steel industry and that goes for other

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employers of high skilled staff as well, Airbus, Nissan, they made it

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clear that the choice to invest in Britain is strengthened by

:20:18.:20:21.

membership of the European Union. Of course, the Conservatives are

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loyally committed to protecting one very important British industry and

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you have to take your hat off to them for the massive defence they

:20:30.:20:33.

are making of this one... That is the tax avoidance

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APPLAUSE. The most telling revelation about

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our Prime Minister has not been about his own tax affairs but that

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in 2013, he personally intervened with the European Commission

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president to undermine an EU drive to reveal the beneficiaries of

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offshore trusts. And even now, in the wake of the Panama Papers, he

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still will not act, as Prime Minister 's Question Time revealed

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yesterday. On six different occasions since the beginning of

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last year, Conservative members of the European Parliament voted down

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attempts to take action against tax dodging. Doesn't that tell you

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everything you need to know about the Conservative Party? Labour has

:21:28.:21:32.

allies across Europe appeared to take on this global network of the

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corrupt and we will work with them to clamp down on those determined to

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suck wealth from the economy and the pockets of the people. On Tuesday,

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the EU announced a step forward on country by country reporting. We

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believe we can go further but even this modest measure was opposed by

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Conservative MEPs last December. Left to themselves, it is clear that

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the main boat leave division is for Britain to be the safe haven of

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choice for the ill gotten gains of every oligarch dictator or a

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corporation, they believe this tiny elite is what matters and not the

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rest of us, who they dismiss as low achievers. I am sorry. Some would

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argue the need to leave the European Union because the single market

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rules are driving deregulation and privatisation. They certainly need

:22:30.:22:33.

reform but it is not the European Union that privatised railways, it

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was the Conservative government of John Major. And many of our railways

:22:37.:22:41.

are run by other nations, publicly owned real companies so they are

:22:42.:22:44.

publicly owned but not by our own public. They have not made the

:22:45.:22:48.

mistake of asset stripping their own companies. Labour is committed to

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bringing it back into public ownership in 2020 and that is why

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Labour members of the European Parliament are opposing any element

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of the Forth rail package being discussed before the European

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Parliament that might make that more difficult and we are clear, we want

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railways back on public lands to be run for the benefit of the people of

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this country. The Transatlantic Trade Investment Partnership is also

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a huge cause for concern. But we defeated a similar proposal before

:23:22.:23:26.

in Europe when it was called a multilateral agreement on investment

:23:27.:23:32.

back in 1998 and Labour MPs are rightly opposing the investor state

:23:33.:23:37.

dispute mechanism and any attempt to enforce privatisation of public

:23:38.:23:42.

services to reduce consumer rights, workplace protections or

:23:43.:23:45.

environmental standards. We will not be part of a race to the bottom. We

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want the race to go up and not land on the living standards and

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environmental standards of everybody across

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APPLAUSE. -- go down. The free-market

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enthusiasts in the league campaign would put all of those protections

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at risk. Labour is building alliances to safeguard them. We must

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also put human rights at the centre of the trade agreements. Absolutely

:24:18.:24:22.

at the centre. Not as an optional add-on. We already have allies

:24:23.:24:29.

across Europe to do that. And the EU is vital for promoting human rights

:24:30.:24:35.

at home. As a result of European Union directives and regulations,

:24:36.:24:39.

disabled people are protected from discrimination. Lifts, cars and

:24:40.:24:46.

buses must be accessible. Like sea and air travel. It was a Labour

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government that signed the Human Rights Act into UK law. The

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transferred power not to Brussels but individual citizens to stand up

:24:55.:25:02.

for and defend their human rights, human rights are global, universal

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and have to be defended for all time. These are the rights we have

:25:06.:25:11.

achieved for ourselves. Climate change is the greatest threat that

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humanity faces this century. And no country, Britain certainly not,

:25:17.:25:20.

cannot tackle this alone. We could have the best policies possible but

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unless we act together internationally, it is worthless. It

:25:26.:25:29.

was a Labour government that brought in the climate change, John Prescott

:25:30.:25:33.

played a key role in getting people took at Kyoto that led to debate

:25:34.:25:39.

within the European Union. But despite David Cameron pledging to

:25:40.:25:50.

lead the greenest government ever... That was the hug a huskie period!

:25:51.:25:54.

Briton still lags behind, we have much to learn from what Germany has

:25:55.:26:01.

done in particular. The Conservative government has cut subsidies for

:26:02.:26:03.

solar power while increasing subsidies for diesel, it has cut

:26:04.:26:08.

regular at your burdens, as they describe them, on fracking get

:26:09.:26:12.

increased regulations on onshore wind production. They say one thing

:26:13.:26:20.

but do another. Again, it has been regulations agreed in Europe that

:26:21.:26:25.

have improved our beaches and waterways and that are forcing us to

:26:26.:26:29.

tackle this candle of air pollution all over this country, including in

:26:30.:26:35.

this very city of London. -- the scandal. If not dealt with, it will

:26:36.:26:41.

kill 500,000 people in this country by 2025, we have to act on air

:26:42.:26:46.

pollution by enforcing those relations. Working together in

:26:47.:26:52.

Europe is vital to tackle climate change and firebug in protecting the

:26:53.:26:59.

environment that we share. -- vital. The point about environmental issues

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is this... If you pollute the air, the wind takes it across national

:27:05.:27:07.

borders, if you throw rubbish into the sea, the current will bring it

:27:08.:27:13.

to somebody else, but only clean up the air and the seas by

:27:14.:27:16.

international regulation and cooperation, you cannot do it on

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your There is no doubt that debate about

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European Union membership will focus strongly on jobs and migration. We

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live in an increasingly globalised world. Many of us will study, work

:27:39.:27:44.

or even retire abroad. At some point in our lives. Free movement has

:27:45.:27:52.

created opportunities for people. British people and others. There are

:27:53.:27:54.

nearly three quarters of a million British people living in Spain and

:27:55.:27:59.

over 2 million in other parts of Europe. Learning abroad, working

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abroad, it increases opportunities and skills and migration brings

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benefits as well as talent race at home. But it is only if there is

:28:09.:28:15.

government action to train enough skilled workers to stop the

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exploitation of migrant Labour by undercutting wages, to invest in

:28:20.:28:24.

local services and housing in areas of rapid population growth that they

:28:25.:28:29.

will be felt across the country. And this government has done nothing of

:28:30.:28:33.

the sort, its failure to train enough skilled workers means we have

:28:34.:28:37.

become reliant on migration to keep the economy functioning. This is

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especially true of the National Health Service, which depends on

:28:42.:28:47.

migrant nurses and doctors to fill vacancies. This government has

:28:48.:28:51.

failed to invest in training and its abolition of the bursaries for

:28:52.:28:54.

nurses and the decision to pick a fight with the brilliant junior

:28:55.:28:57.

doctors is likely to make the shortages worse, not

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As Alan explained in his introduction, both of us are trade

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unionists and I used to be a full-time trade union organiser

:29:18.:29:21.

within the National Health Service as well as local government. And

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I've found you our NHS absolutely. -- I value. And I admire the

:29:28.:29:32.

dedication of the staff, it is the proudest creation of the Labour

:29:33.:29:37.

Party and even nine it will be in an even greater crisis if many in the

:29:38.:29:42.

Leave camp have their way, some of whom have argued against the

:29:43.:29:45.

National Health Service and the very principle of health care free at the

:29:46.:29:53.

point of use for everybody. And, of course, it is European Union

:29:54.:29:55.

regulations that underpin many rights of workers, holiday

:29:56.:30:01.

entitlement, a charity leave, White city breaks aren't limits on how

:30:02.:30:05.

many hours we work and that has helped improve protection for agency

:30:06.:30:11.

workers. The Tories and Ukip are on record as saying they would like to

:30:12.:30:16.

cut back on EU guaranteed workplace rights if they could. A Labour

:30:17.:30:20.

government would instead strengthen rights of work, picking common cause

:30:21.:30:25.

with allies to raise employment standards throughout Europe, to stop

:30:26.:30:30.

the undercutting of wages and conditions by unscrupulous employers

:30:31.:30:34.

who want to achieve greater exploitation. We want to strengthen

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the protection of every worker all over Europe, not just in Britain.

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Just imagine what the Tories would do to workers' writes here in

:30:43.:30:57.

Britain if we voted to leave the EU in June? They would dump writes on

:30:58.:31:03.

equal pay, working time, annual leave, maternity pay, as far as --

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as fast as they could get away with it. It would be a bonfire of rights

:31:08.:31:11.

that Labour governments have secured and trade unions have helped to

:31:12.:31:15.

secure this continent. Not only that, it would not be a Labour

:31:16.:31:20.

government negotiating for a better settlement in Europe, it would be a

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Tory government quite possibly led by Boris Johnson and backed by Nigel

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Farage. Think about that. That would negotiate the worst of all worlds, a

:31:32.:31:37.

free-market free for all, without rights or protections for people

:31:38.:31:42.

across this continent. It is sometimes easier to blame the EU or,

:31:43.:31:47.

worse, blame foreigners, and face up to our own problems. At the head of

:31:48.:31:51.

which, right now, is a Conservative government that is failing the

:31:52.:31:54.

people of Britain. There is nothing remotely patriotic about selling off

:31:55.:31:59.

our country and our national assets to the highest bidder or handing

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control to city hedge fund is or corporations based in offshore tax

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havens. There is a strong socialist case for staying in the European

:32:13.:32:16.

Union, just as there is also a powerful socialist case for reform

:32:17.:32:20.

and progressive change in Europe. That is why we need a Labour

:32:21.:32:24.

government to stand up at the European level for industries and

:32:25.:32:30.

communities in Britain, to back public ownership and public

:32:31.:32:34.

services, to protect and extend workers rights, and to work with our

:32:35.:32:37.

allies to make both Britain and Europe work better for working

:32:38.:32:44.

people. Many people are still weighing up how they will vote in

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this referendum and I appeal to everyone, especially young people,

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who will live the longest and have the bigger the consequence is the

:32:52.:32:54.

longest, to make sure you are registered to vote, and vote to keep

:32:55.:32:59.

Britain in Europe this June. It is about your future. By working

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together across our continent, we can develop our economies, protect

:33:05.:33:08.

social and human rights, tackle climate change and clamp down on tax

:33:09.:33:16.

dodgers. You cannot build a better world unless you engage with the

:33:17.:33:19.

world. Build allies and deliver change. The European Union, many

:33:20.:33:25.

warts and all, has proved itself to be a crucial international calling

:33:26.:33:33.

work -- framework to do that. That is why we are backing the campaign

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for Britain to remain in Europe and I hope you will, too.

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APPLAUSE. STUDIO: We are expecting a couple of

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questions to Jeremy Corbyn from journalists so we will stay with

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this for a second or two. We have time for some questions. First of

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all, from Laura Kuenssberg at the BBC. They do very much. Mr Corbyn,

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let's go for the Ministry of Truth, you have voted against the EU many

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times. Before today you branded some of its policy is crazy and immoral.

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Do you now describe yourself as a pro European? And also, you have

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barely mentioned one of the things that really matters to many of our

:34:36.:34:38.

viewers about the EU, the number of people coming from other countries

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in the EU to this country. Do you think too many people from other

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parts of the EU have come to live and work in the UK? I don't think

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too many have come. I think the issue has to be of wages and

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regulations, which I included in my speech. And it is employers that try

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to undercut industrywide agreements, in the construction industry and

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others, that are the problem, hence the agency workers issued that I

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raised in my speech, as well as minimum wages. There has to be a

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case for a minimum wage tied to the cost of living across the continent.

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There is nothing wrong with people migrating to work around the

:35:21.:35:22.

continent but there has to be a level playing field on pay and

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conditions. What we have is unscrupulous employers doing that.

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Yes, I have been critical of many things within the European Union. I

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think you will probably have gathered from my speech that I have

:35:37.:35:41.

been critical. This is a decision about whether we stay in and argue

:35:42.:35:45.

for the kind of socially just Europe that I want, that our party once,

:35:46.:35:49.

that the vast majority of trade unions and ordinary people in this

:35:50.:35:52.

country want, we walk away from it. That. That is the decision that has

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been made. Does it mean I recount on everything I have ever said or done?

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Absolutely not, and I am sorry about that. STUDIO: Let's leave the Jeremy

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Corbyn and the journalists and the audience. And let's talk to our two

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undecided voters. Kerry Gadd and Jarel

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Robinson-Brown. Kerry is undecided but possibly

:36:16.:36:27.

leading towards a vote to exit, and Jarel is tempted to stay. What did

:36:28.:36:31.

you think, Jarel? An interesting speech. I come from a leftist family

:36:32.:36:36.

and we tend to be a bunch of socialist sympathisers. I sympathise

:36:37.:36:42.

with what he is saying, and I was glad to hear him speaking in simple

:36:43.:36:46.

terms. This is a man who is very simple, as a lot of personal

:36:47.:36:50.

integrity, and is full of righteous indignation. He is attractive to

:36:51.:36:56.

many young people who feel the same. I think it was nice to hear him

:36:57.:36:59.

speak about climate as well because I think that is crucial. Do you

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believe him to humanity has made dozens of hostile comments about the

:37:06.:37:11.

European Union in the past. I think he showed that actually he has truly

:37:12.:37:20.

changed his opinion. We know that. As he sealed the deal for you? Do

:37:21.:37:27.

you vote to remain now? Not yet but I'm closer. What will it take over

:37:28.:37:31.

the next ten weeks? I think I want to hear more detailed breakdowns. He

:37:32.:37:37.

is very good at naming people and situations when he is doing PMQs,

:37:38.:37:41.

but perhaps he could do the same thing and say, Michelle in

:37:42.:37:52.

Birmingham is going to be this much in a worse position because Britain

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is not part of the EU. I would like to hear more personal perspectives

:37:56.:38:01.

on the figures. Steelworkers, that is important. Interesting. Kerry,

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what do you think? It was a very interesting speech. You don't have

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to say that. We brought you here to watch it. I felt that he was trying

:38:14.:38:22.

to demonise the Tories and you get quite a lot in his speech. Does that

:38:23.:38:28.

turn you off? Not really. I do agree with him on many points. Addressing

:38:29.:38:37.

that some of them have been involved in tax dodging and that kind of

:38:38.:38:41.

thing. I feel like everyone should have their share. I paid council tax

:38:42.:38:48.

in where I live, and I pay to stay where I am. Other people, the Tories

:38:49.:38:55.

who are our government, tax dodging, that is slightly unfair. How is that

:38:56.:39:00.

relevance to the European Union? The Conservatives that he mentioned,

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David Cameron and keep both agree on a vote to stay in the European

:39:05.:39:11.

Union. I think a lot of people want to vote just so that the Tories can

:39:12.:39:18.

save money, so that they can have more for themselves. That is what I

:39:19.:39:23.

believe. Are you closer to making up your mind? I didn't expect to you to

:39:24.:39:32.

be. 20 very much. We will talk again over the next few weeks. Norman

:39:33.:39:37.

Smith was listening to that speech. -- thank you very much. What do you

:39:38.:39:44.

draw from that? Jeremy Corbyn list of the things that he things are

:39:45.:39:48.

good about being part of the European Union, working together to

:39:49.:39:52.

tackle the environment, pushing forward on employment rights,

:39:53.:39:54.

curbing the powers of multinationals. The list of things

:39:55.:39:57.

that are good about it but you got the sense that it was almost the

:39:58.:40:02.

bare minimum. He had to say that. He made no bones about the fact that he

:40:03.:40:05.

has been highly critical and remains critical. He is restated his

:40:06.:40:10.

opposition to this trade deal with the US, TTIP, which he says could

:40:11.:40:15.

lead to a race to the bottom. He answered my colleague's question,

:40:16.:40:18.

saying he did not think there were too many EU migrants. I think Mr

:40:19.:40:24.

Corbyn's difficulty with this is that up till very recently he has

:40:25.:40:30.

been quite openly hostile to much of what the European Union has been

:40:31.:40:34.

about. We are not talking about way back in the midst of time. We are

:40:35.:40:37.

talking about within the last few months. He has been critical of the

:40:38.:40:43.

bailout, saying that it treats grease lightly debtors colony. He

:40:44.:40:51.

said that they should campaign for withdrawal in his campaign. -- it

:40:52.:40:58.

treats grease like a debtors colony. He has a lot to do if he is to

:40:59.:41:05.

generally convince people that he is hugely enthusiastic about staying in

:41:06.:41:10.

the European Union, or whether they are saying it through gritted teeth

:41:11.:41:13.

because the rest of the party is staring down and saying, come on,

:41:14.:41:18.

get on board. My sense today is that this was the first step. People will

:41:19.:41:21.

want to see him coming out again and again and making this case. On that,

:41:22.:41:26.

his aides say that he will not be doing anything else until after the

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local elections which means that he is only going to be doing pro

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European campaigning in the last three or four weeks. And a lot of

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people are saying, come on, get out there now. Thanks, Norman.

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Next, the Army has described people in Britain as a bunch of time

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wasters as they begin a recruitment drive for new stories. They found

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that 80% of 18-35 year olds spend the equivalent of a day each week on

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social media or gaming. Could young people be persuaded to turn

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themselves away from that? And instead, joined the reserves? Lets

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talk to major lettuce and wood, a former officer in the Parachute

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Regiment. Thank you for talking to us. Why are people not joining the

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reserves? I think the biggest barrier is that there is a perceived

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idea that they do not have enough time, that there is not enough time

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and there is a huge commitment involved. That is not the case. The

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minimum requirement to join some units in the reserves is just 19

:42:39.:42:42.

days a year. When you add up all those days that people spend on

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Facebook and social media, in their own words from this study, they are

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wasting time. Actually, then, the are better ways to spend your time

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and I could recommend joining the reserves. It is something I did from

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young age and it has been on afterwards. What do you do in the

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reserves? My job is buried. -- my job is varied. We train allied

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soldiers and work with the media. It is a varied role, everything from

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infantry training to parachuting to mountain climbing. I think the Army

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reserve offers a varied part-time career that can really can't comment

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whatever your civilian job is. Is it young people themselves saying that

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they are wasting time or is it the Army saying they are time wasters?

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This is from the horses mouth. It is a study conducted that shows that a

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lot of people admit to wasting time, spending up to two hours a day

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sitting and watching TV, an hour a day on Facebook, and all of this

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mounts up to a lot of time that could be spent better. But maybe not

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in their opinion. Maybe the idea of being on social media is way more

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attractive than leaping around as an Army reserve 19 days a year. That is

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not what the study has shown. People have been asked, how would you like

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to spend your time, what would you like to be doing? Of the study came

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back with a lot of good feedback saying that people really want to be

:44:15.:44:18.

trying new things, going to new places and making new friends. But

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actually, what has happened is that people are in their comforts on,

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going on social media, because it is an easy win. You get the likes on

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Facebook or Twitter, and before you know it, an hour has disappeared. Do

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you get paid? Of course you do. It is a job like any other. What is the

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rate? It depends on your rank. It starts off at ?36, or just over, for

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a shorter, going up to ?63 for an officer. A day, a week? A day. That

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could be a good supplement to your income. Banking is a youth worker

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from Cardiff. -- Danny King. Let's clarify, it is not the Army

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describing young people as a bunch of time wasters, it is young people

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that think they do not have time because they are busy on social

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media and gaming and all the rest of it. I don't think that is

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necessarily true, Victoria. Lots of young people are just not interested

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in joining the Army. A lot of people take references from the TV shows,

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like Knock the cap next week -- Mock the week, and they do not want to be

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involved in it. Is that your own view? No. I work with drug users and

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young offenders, people from disadvantaged backgrounds, and they

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are just not interested. They really just want to be involved in things

:45:54.:45:56.

in their local community and they want to help people. As the major

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said, they want to be involved and they want to learn new skills and

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help out but they want to do it within their own community. Rather

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than doing it for their country? I think the thing is that a lot of

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disadvantaged areas and areas that are struggling, they really want to

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just be part of their own community, they want to be involved with what

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they do on their doorstep and there is not a lot of things that happen

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across the UK in total which are just local community specific. Young

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people want to be involved, they want to be doing stuff, but there is

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not a lot of connection between the two. And so I think that a lot more

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initiatives need to be aimed specifically at young people,

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getting them involved in local communities. Thank you very much,

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Dan. A cat killer in South London appears

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to be widening the area in which attacks are taking place. Originally

:46:56.:47:02.

described as the Croydon cat ripper, at least 50 deaths can be attributed

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to the individual. The animals will find with their heads and tails cut

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off under ?5,000 reward has been put up by the charity Peta to catch the

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killer. In two months ago we spoke to amber and your child, whose cat

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was one of those find. On Thursday morning I left Leo I'd, as we do

:47:22.:47:29.

normally, and he never came back. Amber feels devastated by the loss

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of first son's beloved cat, Leo. He was fined were diluted in a few

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streets away. He was not one to wonder so I cannot understand... He

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would not go up to people he did not know so I cannot understand how this

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person has managed to get him. My mother told me this man was going

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around, cutting the tales of cats off. I could angry. It was bought

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for his birthday and he loved that cat, wielded. It was just... He is

:48:08.:48:18.

our little boy, they become part of your family. He was the most

:48:19.:48:27.

important thing I have ever had. I was happy when my mum and dad gave

:48:28.:48:37.

him to me for my birthday. A lot of celebrities have got involved in the

:48:38.:48:41.

campaign, James McVey from The Vamps made this plea on the programme...

:48:42.:48:47.

It is quite horrifying, a pet is a member of the family and I think

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that it is bad enough losing a cat to accidental circumstances but to

:48:55.:48:56.

find somebody is doing this is horrible. What we're trying to do in

:48:57.:49:01.

The Vamps is raise as much awareness possible to catch the killer. It is

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rarely upsetting for the family so we are trying to offer to everyone

:49:07.:49:11.

or any group that can help us find the killer. Tony Jenkins is from

:49:12.:49:19.

South Norwood animal rescue and Chief Inspector Mike Butcher from

:49:20.:49:28.

the RSPCA. Saria, your cat was found killed. Tell us what happened. He

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comes on every morning at 7am and at 7pm, to comfort his dry food which

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my son dishes out for him. He comes in and out of the cat flap

:49:44.:49:50.

regularly, he is extremely friendly, you just call him and he will come

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to you. On Thursday he did not his breakfast his dinner and on Friday

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morning by sunset, should have put out leaflets on the street and I

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said, go for it, we put leaflets on the street. Asking if anybody has

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seen him. By 6pm we have not heard anything. My son was not at home, my

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husband opened the door. The next-door neighbour had

:50:19.:50:23.

unfortunately seen the body of a cat in the bushes two doors away from

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her that looks like our cat, I husband took photographs of the body

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and my son came home, he went and collected the body and we did

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recognise the body was that of Buddy. The body was mutilated, the

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tail was missing, somebody has wrapped the body and plastic. He was

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just in bits. It was like a horror movie, it did not feel real. We

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heard from one of the neighbours who owns a pet shop nearby who said...

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Please give them a touch... Contact them on Facebook and these people

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will helped us, they collected the body of Buddy and they said they

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would pass it to the RSPCA for identification and I have been in

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touch ever since and they have been ever so comforting, they have been

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so supportive and they understand that Buddy was not just an animal,

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he was our baby and he meant everything to my son. Me also. Mike

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Butcher from the RSPCA, thank you for talking to us. Tell us how this

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investigation is progressing. Good morning, we're working very closely

:51:51.:51:54.

with the police and it is not an easy investigation because we have

:51:55.:51:59.

to decide which cuts find are part of the investigation and it is

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awkward but it is horrific and we all have to take notice that the

:52:07.:52:11.

loss of animal to a family, we need to catch this person as quickly as

:52:12.:52:15.

possible. Are you nearer to doing that? Not really, but like anything

:52:16.:52:20.

else, we're looking at all avenues and this is not one with somebody

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doing it and you investigate, you have a starting point, the problem

:52:28.:52:33.

here, isn't widespread or the same person? Is a copycat? And we have to

:52:34.:52:42.

introduce when the pattern is. How many are you linking in terms of the

:52:43.:52:50.

cases? We have had 20 exam and by a veterinary surgeon who has confirmed

:52:51.:52:55.

that the animals have been mutilated by a human, --, by a sharp

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implement, we were not sure of that before so that is a common factor,

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it is not another animal, it is somebody going out with a knife

:53:08.:53:15.

cutting up animals. At one stage, whether that is the cause of death,

:53:16.:53:19.

this person does need to be caught. Tony Jenkins from SNARL, you think

:53:20.:53:28.

this is wider than Croydon and to describe this individual as the

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Croydon cat killer is inaccurate? We have discovered bodies in North

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London, there was a cat killed in archway. We do not know until the

:53:41.:53:45.

bodies were examined but we have confirmed cases and all around the

:53:46.:53:56.

M25 area. Calling at the Croydon cat killer, that gives people the

:53:57.:53:58.

indication that outside Croydon they are safe. Most cats are safe, what

:53:59.:54:05.

is the advice? The most obvious, keep your cat indoors and if you

:54:06.:54:11.

have to let cats out, it must be under supervision. Most of the

:54:12.:54:15.

attacks or night but we have had some abductions and murders were

:54:16.:54:20.

cats have gone missing during the day so it is, keep your cat indoors.

:54:21.:54:26.

It could be one person or it could be somebody mimicking what has gone

:54:27.:54:33.

on? It is possible. You would have to be sick to do this in the first

:54:34.:54:40.

place but to copy somebody else? 19 bodies have been confirmed by the

:54:41.:54:45.

RSPCA, the pattern is that it is the same person. It could be all over

:54:46.:54:52.

the place but we need to examine the bodies, 19 cases confirmed, six of

:54:53.:54:58.

them are with the vet, and there are 12 bodies waiting to be excitement

:54:59.:55:02.

so we're already entered 37 and we have as many as 50 other cases that

:55:03.:55:07.

might be linked. From recently? The last two years. Mutilated these

:55:08.:55:16.

going back two years? Yes, some are just photographs of bodies that were

:55:17.:55:22.

buried but we have first hand information and photographs from the

:55:23.:55:26.

person who find the cat and it is similar pattern, there was no no

:55:27.:55:34.

head or tail. Often left on the doorstep of a person who owns the

:55:35.:55:40.

animal. Have you any theories? There is a psychopath or if you

:55:41.:55:43.

psychopaths out there who enjoy killing and mutilating cats. How do

:55:44.:55:49.

you go about trying to track down this person or people? It is a very

:55:50.:55:58.

awkward one because we have to first of all look at the animals, decide

:55:59.:56:04.

which ones are part of the pattern. Amongst the animals, some will be

:56:05.:56:10.

genuinely hit by cars or attacked by foxes, we have to differentiate

:56:11.:56:17.

between those. That is the difficult part. And a lot of it is the public,

:56:18.:56:25.

I have listened to Tony and I would agree. It is a night-time thing. It

:56:26.:56:31.

is keeping the public vigilant and reporting anything suspicious? It

:56:32.:56:36.

has to be a man or somebody out there with a very sharp knife and I

:56:37.:56:40.

would not suggest that anybody close to anybody is doing that but I would

:56:41.:56:45.

say that CCTV, people could keep an eye open, and that will eventually

:56:46.:56:51.

lead us to somebody but then it is deciding which ones were a victim of

:56:52.:56:56.

him or her, or them. Such an open investigation. We're not looking at

:56:57.:57:04.

just Croydon, but far wider. Thank you all very much for coming onto

:57:05.:57:09.

the programme and good luck. Just an update on another story were

:57:10.:57:12.

following, two migrants have been rescued from it any of the coast of

:57:13.:57:18.

Dover. It is ascribed as an inflatable boat off the coast of

:57:19.:57:21.

Dover after being at sea for eight hours. We can show you the dinghy,

:57:22.:57:28.

two men believed to be Iranian filed 999 in the early hours, they did not

:57:29.:57:33.

know the exact position, the lifeboat picked them up one mile

:57:34.:57:36.

from shore after passing very spotted the light from their mobile

:57:37.:57:40.

phone. They have been rescued. Also, we have furthered the Royal bag of

:57:41.:57:46.

Scotland is to cut 600 jobs in its retail division and it is closing 32

:57:47.:57:50.

branches. That is according to the trade union, Unite. Thank you for

:57:51.:57:59.

your messages. Most of them about fertility and if it is right to talk

:58:00.:58:03.

to young boys and girls about how delaying parenthood might lead to

:58:04.:58:09.

fertility problems later on. An e-mail, totally agree, young women

:58:10.:58:13.

need to be told about the problems of fertility in later life but not

:58:14.:58:18.

at 15, 21 sounds like a good age. Thank you for watching. We're back

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tomorrow. BBC News from live is next. Have a good day! -- newsroom

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