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Hello it's Friday, it's nine o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling, | :00:09. | :00:10. | |
Patients "still at risk" at Southern Health - | :00:11. | :00:16. | |
that's the conclusion of a damning report into an NHS trust in England | :00:17. | :00:19. | |
where a teenager drowned in the bath. | :00:20. | :00:22. | |
The report is strongly critical of senior management - | :00:23. | :00:27. | |
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn is criticised | :00:28. | :00:37. | |
for failing to deal properly with allegations of | :00:38. | :00:39. | |
He says the escalating row - which has seen former London | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
mayor Ken Livingstone suspended - is not a crisis | :00:44. | :00:45. | |
And how a criminal gang conned pensioners out of hundreds | :00:46. | :00:47. | |
When I first learned I was scammed, I thought, could I live with myself | :00:48. | :00:58. | |
for having lost so much money? And the thought of suicide to pass | :00:59. | :01:00. | |
through my mind. Welcome to the programme, | :01:01. | :01:11. | |
we're live until 11 this morning. Also this morning, is your child due | :01:12. | :01:14. | |
to take their SATs tests soon? Some head teachers have | :01:15. | :01:18. | |
attacked the testing regime for primary schools, | :01:19. | :01:20. | |
calling it chaotic and distracting. The Government says it's vital | :01:21. | :01:26. | |
children master the basics of literacy and numeracy before | :01:27. | :01:28. | |
they start secondary school. Do get in touch on all the stories | :01:29. | :01:31. | |
we're talking about this morning - use the hashtag #VictoriaLive | :01:32. | :01:36. | |
and if you text, you will be charged And don't forget if you've got | :01:37. | :01:39. | |
a story you think we should be Some of our best stories come | :01:40. | :01:43. | |
from you, our viewers. Our top story today...the | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
scandal hit NHS trust, where a teenager drowned | :01:48. | :01:49. | |
in the bath, is still failing to protect patients from the risk | :01:50. | :01:51. | |
of harm, according to the health regulator, the Care | :01:52. | :01:54. | |
Quality Commission. Southern Health has been criticised | :01:55. | :01:55. | |
for failing to investigate The trust's chairman Mike Petter | :01:56. | :01:57. | |
resigned "with great sadness" just hours before | :01:58. | :02:01. | |
the review was published. Here's more from our social affairs | :02:02. | :02:03. | |
correspondent Michael Buchanan. Following each death, Southern | :02:04. | :02:12. | |
Health promised they would learn Today's report from the CQC | :02:13. | :02:15. | |
questions that assertion. Southern Health are failing | :02:16. | :02:19. | |
to protect patients. They are running units that | :02:20. | :02:29. | |
are physically dangerous. Frontline staff are not | :02:30. | :02:31. | |
being supported by management. The organisation does need | :02:32. | :02:37. | |
and deserve a leadership that can What we have shown is that over | :02:38. | :02:40. | |
the past two years that leadership has not been there and has | :02:41. | :02:47. | |
not been demonstrated. Southern Health has been | :02:48. | :02:50. | |
under intense scrutiny since the probe found that it had | :02:51. | :02:52. | |
failed to investigate the deaths The CQC has found that it is still | :02:53. | :02:56. | |
not properly scrutinising deaths. The Trust accept | :02:57. | :03:07. | |
they need to improve. The CQC have given us a really clear | :03:08. | :03:09. | |
message that things need to There are significant concerns | :03:10. | :03:12. | |
that we are taking very seriously. And we are really focused on making | :03:13. | :03:17. | |
the changes that need to be made. The chairman of Southern Health | :03:18. | :03:24. | |
resigned yesterday to allow, he Katrina Percy, the only | :03:25. | :03:28. | |
chief executive the Trust And let's cross live | :03:29. | :03:31. | |
to Michael Buchanan for more on these latest criticisms | :03:32. | :03:42. | |
of Southern Health NHS trust. The chairman has resigned. Are you | :03:43. | :03:54. | |
expecting more fallout from this? I'm not sure if I am expecting it, | :03:55. | :03:58. | |
but there will be an awful lot of questions for Katrina Percy in that | :03:59. | :04:07. | |
piece. The organisation was created in 2011, and they were not -- when | :04:08. | :04:14. | |
the report came out, the trust at that time, when it had not -- why it | :04:15. | :04:19. | |
had not investigated the deaths according to the report was that | :04:20. | :04:22. | |
there was a failure of leadership and governance. At the time, the | :04:23. | :04:27. | |
trust said that we get this, we are improving. The CQ seed then went in | :04:28. | :04:32. | |
in January, and suggested that they were not improving. Another | :04:33. | :04:44. | |
regulator called NHS Improvement brought in an improvement director. | :04:45. | :04:47. | |
He is working with Southern health, but only one day a week, but | :04:48. | :04:53. | |
frankly, with the comments that have come out this morning from the CQ | :04:54. | :04:57. | |
seed, there are a lot of people who say that one man coming in, for one | :04:58. | :05:04. | |
day a week, isn't he not good enough. There will be questions for | :05:05. | :05:09. | |
NHS Improvement today. The former health minister Norman Lamb has said | :05:10. | :05:13. | |
this morning that in his view, the board and management of Are then | :05:14. | :05:19. | |
Health have to go. The argument from Southern Health need to -- is that | :05:20. | :05:24. | |
they need more time. Annita McVeigh is in the BBC | :05:25. | :05:33. | |
Newsroom and has a summary The Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn | :05:34. | :05:36. | |
is facing more criticism from within his own Shadow Cabinet | :05:37. | :05:41. | |
over his handling of allegations Mr Corbyn has denied | :05:42. | :05:49. | |
Labour's in crisis after the escalating row, | :05:50. | :05:51. | |
which has seen the former London Mayor Ken | :05:52. | :05:53. | |
Livingstone suspended. Shadow Home Secretary, Andy Burnham, | :05:54. | :05:57. | |
has said Jeremy Corbyn didn't act Speaking on the BBC's | :05:58. | :06:02. | |
Question Time, Mr Burnham said the party wasn't anti-semitic | :06:03. | :06:05. | |
but admitted Labour's response had These allegations are not being | :06:06. | :06:17. | |
dealt with quickly enough. They need to be dealt with much more speedily. | :06:18. | :06:22. | |
The second thing I would say is that some people in the party have made | :06:23. | :06:24. | |
anti-Semitic comments. But the Shadow Communities | :06:25. | :06:26. | |
Secretary, Jon Trickett, has insisted that Labour's | :06:27. | :06:28. | |
leadership had dealt Racism has no part in our | :06:29. | :06:30. | |
country and our party. In a progressive party like the | :06:31. | :06:46. | |
Labour Party, it clearly must have no role. | :06:47. | :06:47. | |
By the way, Jeremy Corbyn acted within moments, | :06:48. | :06:49. | |
certainly within a couple of hours of hearing Ken's comments. | :06:50. | :06:55. | |
British cyclist Simon Yates - considered a rising star | :06:56. | :06:57. | |
and possible Olympic contender - has failed a drugs | :06:58. | :07:00. | |
The 23-year-old - seen here on the right - | :07:01. | :07:03. | |
tested positive for a banned substance at the Paris | :07:04. | :07:05. | |
His team say there's been no wrongdoing by the cyclist, | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
and that an "administrative error" over the use of an asthma | :07:10. | :07:11. | |
Head teachers have attacked the government's testing regime | :07:12. | :07:14. | |
for primary schools in England, calling it chaotic and distracting. | :07:15. | :07:16. | |
Gathering for their annual conference in Birmingham, | :07:17. | :07:18. | |
the National Association of Head Teachers said the current | :07:19. | :07:20. | |
system was good for bureaucrats and politicians, but didn't work | :07:21. | :07:25. | |
The government says tests have been updated to reflect a more | :07:26. | :07:32. | |
Our Education Correspondent Robert Pigott reports. | :07:33. | :07:35. | |
Six and seven-year-olds practice maths papers, | :07:36. | :07:37. | |
they're part of formal exams, SATs, designed to measure | :07:38. | :07:40. | |
pupils's ability and progress, but teachers | :07:41. | :07:41. | |
have had not enough time to | :07:42. | :07:43. | |
teach a challenging curriculum, and the children find | :07:44. | :07:45. | |
Many of the children in year two are six years old, | :07:46. | :07:56. | |
and they are just not able and ready for that very formal type of test. | :07:57. | :08:06. | |
They need something very much less structured in that formal manner. | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
Primary school head teachers have criticised what they call | :08:12. | :08:13. | |
The National Association of Head Teachers says the way new tests | :08:14. | :08:19. | |
had been planned and introduced has been littered with mistakes. | :08:20. | :08:22. | |
The conference will include a moratorium on the publication | :08:23. | :08:26. | |
Delegates will also debate calls to reform exams | :08:27. | :08:32. | |
for pupils leaving primary school on the grounds that they harmed | :08:33. | :08:35. | |
But the Department for Education says mastering the basics | :08:36. | :08:48. | |
of literacy and numeracy at primary school has a huge impact | :08:49. | :08:51. | |
It says exams for 11-year-olds have been updated to reflect a more | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
rigourous curriculum which will help all children fulfil their potential. | :08:57. | :08:58. | |
Nine members of a gang who scammed millions of pounds | :08:59. | :09:08. | |
from pensioners are to be sentenced at the Old Bailey today. | :09:09. | :09:11. | |
The perpetrators tricked hundreds of elderly vulnerable people out | :09:12. | :09:13. | |
of their life savings and it's feared some of the money may have | :09:14. | :09:16. | |
been intended to fund the travel of people from the UK to Syria. | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
We'll hear an exclusive interview with one of the victims | :09:20. | :09:21. | |
Investigators examining the death of the musician Prince | :09:22. | :09:29. | |
are reportedly looking at the possibility he overdosed | :09:30. | :09:31. | |
Days before his death last week, his private plane made an emergency | :09:32. | :09:40. | |
landing, so he could receive urgent medical treatment. | :09:41. | :09:42. | |
The Associated Press agency says officials are checking | :09:43. | :09:44. | |
whether a doctor was on the plane, and if Prince had been | :09:45. | :09:47. | |
prescribed painkillers, which may have contributed | :09:48. | :09:48. | |
Hundreds of demonstrators have blocked traffic outside a venue | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
in California where Republican presidential hopeful Donald Trump | :09:54. | :09:55. | |
A police car had its windows smashed as Mr Trump spoke inside a hall | :09:56. | :10:00. | |
20 people are reported to have been arrested. | :10:01. | :10:06. | |
The Republican frontrunner, who has vowed to deport millions | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
of illegal immigrants, faces strong opposition | :10:10. | :10:10. | |
in parts of the state, particularly among Latinos. | :10:11. | :10:24. | |
In the next few minutes, we'll have more on the anti-semitism | :10:25. | :10:27. | |
We'll be speaking to a Jewish Labour activist who worked | :10:28. | :10:31. | |
Do get in touch with us throughout the morning - | :10:32. | :10:34. | |
use the hashtag #VictoriaLive and If you text, you will be charged | :10:35. | :10:37. | |
Let's catch up with the sport. Liverpool were so close to that | :10:38. | :11:03. | |
valuable way draw. Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp has | :11:04. | :11:05. | |
told Villareal "sorry, but it is not over", | :11:06. | :11:07. | |
after the first leg of their Europa League semi-final | :11:08. | :11:13. | |
ended in a 1-0 victory Liverpool kept it tight | :11:14. | :11:16. | |
until the second minute of injury time, when Adrian Lopez | :11:17. | :11:21. | |
delivered the sucker punch. They meet again at | :11:22. | :11:23. | |
Anfield next Thursday. To be honest, it is the first leg, | :11:24. | :11:35. | |
and might first thinking, when everyone was celebrating around me, | :11:36. | :11:40. | |
I thought, sorry, it is not over, you have to come to Anfield, too. We | :11:41. | :11:42. | |
will be ready. It's all square in the other | :11:43. | :11:44. | |
semi-final, Sevilla earning a 2-2 draw against Shakhtar Donetsk | :11:45. | :11:46. | |
with a late penalty Sevilla could become the first side | :11:47. | :11:50. | |
to lift the trophy Warrington completed | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
a Super League double over Wigan to extend their lead | :11:55. | :12:00. | |
at the top of the table. the Wolves fell behind early | :12:01. | :12:03. | |
on but that's when they "started to turn the volume up" according | :12:04. | :12:06. | |
to coach Tony Smith. They came roaring back, | :12:07. | :12:09. | |
with two tries apiece Warrington are now two points | :12:10. | :12:14. | |
clear of Catalan Dragons, China's Ding Junhui is still | :12:15. | :12:20. | |
on course to become the first Asian winner of the World | :12:21. | :12:29. | |
Snooker Championship. He leads Alan McManus 6-2 | :12:30. | :12:35. | |
after firing four centuries to dominate their opening session | :12:36. | :12:37. | |
at the Crucible. They resume at ten o'clock and | :12:38. | :12:39. | |
coverage continues across the BBC. And world number one Mark Selby has | :12:40. | :12:42. | |
the edge over Marco Fu. He leads 5-3 going into their second | :12:43. | :12:49. | |
session at 2.30 this afternoon. These are best-of-33 frame | :12:50. | :12:52. | |
semi-finals, so the first British cycling has been hit by one | :12:53. | :12:55. | |
controversy after another, over the past few days - | :12:56. | :12:59. | |
it's been described as the "week from hell" - | :13:00. | :13:01. | |
but let's not forget the athletes The Tour de Yorkshire starts at 11 | :13:02. | :13:04. | |
o'clock, taking in the stunning Bradley Wiggins is the main | :13:05. | :13:17. | |
attraction in the men's race. And tomorrow, history will be made | :13:18. | :13:20. | |
when the women race over the same course as the men, receiving | :13:21. | :13:24. | |
higher prize money too. It is the first time ever that you | :13:25. | :13:32. | |
have the same lame, the same route, the same distance, the same race for | :13:33. | :13:37. | |
men and women. It is a big step forward for cycling, not just for | :13:38. | :13:41. | |
the tour of Yorkshire. We don't know what it will mean for the future, | :13:42. | :13:47. | |
because it is a long way to court -- equality, but it has been a major | :13:48. | :13:49. | |
step. perfectly clear, about the "halo" | :13:50. | :13:55. | |
head protection - But Formula One teams | :13:56. | :13:59. | |
are still trying to improve Daniel Ricciardo and | :14:00. | :14:05. | |
Red Bull have been at the centre of attention | :14:06. | :14:08. | |
during first practice ahead of this They've been trying out a new device | :14:09. | :14:11. | |
- the so called "aeroscreen" is designed to stop debris hitting | :14:12. | :14:15. | |
a driver's head. If this - or the halo - | :14:16. | :14:17. | |
meets the approval of the sport's governing body it could | :14:18. | :14:20. | |
be introduced next A row over anti-Semitism | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
is engulfing the Labour Party, with senior figures including | :14:25. | :14:37. | |
Shadow Home Secretary Andy Burnham saying it's taking too | :14:38. | :14:39. | |
long to kick out members Yesterday, the former London mayor | :14:40. | :14:41. | |
Ken Livingstone was suspended after talking about links | :14:42. | :14:45. | |
between Hitler and Israel. Speaking on Vanessa Feltz's radio | :14:46. | :14:52. | |
show, Mr Livingstone defended the Labour MP Naz Shah over Facebook | :14:53. | :14:55. | |
posts she made about Israel She talked about relocating Israel | :14:56. | :15:05. | |
to America, he talked about what the Jews rallying, not the Israelis or | :15:06. | :15:12. | |
Israel. He did not find that to be anti-Semitic? When Hitler won his | :15:13. | :15:18. | |
election in 1932, his policy then was that Jews should be moved to | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
Israel. He was supporting Zionism, or he went mad and ended up killing | :15:24. | :15:25. | |
6 million Jews. Ken Livingstone was on his way to do | :15:26. | :15:37. | |
his next interview with BBC News when he was stopped by a Labour MP | :15:38. | :15:46. | |
who called him a Nazi apologist. You are a Nazi apologist. You are right | :15:47. | :15:51. | |
-- you are rewriting history. Go back and check what Hitler did. | :15:52. | :15:53. | |
There is a book called Mein Kampf. There were concentration camps and | :15:54. | :16:15. | |
you were saying that picked a support line is. You have lost it. | :16:16. | :16:20. | |
You need help. Factually wrong, racist remarks. Check your history. | :16:21. | :16:28. | |
That was the policy they ran on. Check my history. You have lost it! | :16:29. | :16:36. | |
Jeremy Corbyn has suspended Ken Livingstone from the party and says | :16:37. | :16:40. | |
he will move quickly to suspend -- to suppress racism. It is not a | :16:41. | :16:49. | |
crisis. Where there is racism, it will be stamped out. I have been an | :16:50. | :16:58. | |
antiracism defender all my life. It has been suggested that the party's | :16:59. | :17:02. | |
reputation is on the line. That is a fear that it held by many of your | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
colleagues at Westminster. Do you suggest there was no crisis to worry | :17:07. | :17:11. | |
about? There is complete tolerance in the Labour Party and there has to | :17:12. | :17:17. | |
be. There has to be an intolerance -- a tolerance of all faiths, | :17:18. | :17:21. | |
communities and points of view. We will not tolerate racism in any | :17:22. | :17:27. | |
form. Let's get more from our correspondent Carole Walker. Jeremy | :17:28. | :17:30. | |
Corbyn says there is no crisis. Their calls from people in the party | :17:31. | :17:33. | |
for tougher action. What will happen next? I think those remarks | :17:34. | :17:41. | |
effectively saying crisis, what crisis, has underlined the concerns | :17:42. | :17:45. | |
many people have under this -- about this. The worry is that he is being | :17:46. | :17:49. | |
slow off the mark. He is reluctant to confront this head-on because of | :17:50. | :17:55. | |
his lifelong support for the -- Palestinian cause. Andy Burnham, the | :17:56. | :17:59. | |
Shadow Home Secretary, said last night that the party could have | :18:00. | :18:04. | |
acted a bit more swiftly on that. Some Labour MPs, people like with | :18:05. | :18:07. | |
street have been far more outspoken, saying he has got to get a grip on | :18:08. | :18:12. | |
this, and indeed this morning we heard senior representatives of the | :18:13. | :18:16. | |
Jewish community saying that he has got to get a grip on this and | :18:17. | :18:22. | |
pointing out that in the past, because Jeremy Corbyn has met people | :18:23. | :18:26. | |
like representatives of her maths and Hezbollah, he needs to do more | :18:27. | :18:31. | |
for up -- to distance himself from this and to show that the party will | :18:32. | :18:36. | |
take action to make sure that there is no room for anti-Semitism. People | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
are worried that it is not good enough just to say there is no room | :18:42. | :18:44. | |
for Andy Semitism, you actually have to show it. What with those who say | :18:45. | :18:51. | |
he needs to get a grip want to see happen? Would that mean expulsion | :18:52. | :18:55. | |
from the party, not suspension? You have got Ken Livingstone suspended | :18:56. | :18:58. | |
facing an investigation over those remarks which you played just a few | :18:59. | :19:03. | |
moments ago. You have also got Naz Shah, the Labour MP, who has been | :19:04. | :19:08. | |
suspended and is being investigated for her Facebook post suggesting | :19:09. | :19:11. | |
that Israel be moved to the United States. Those investigations will, | :19:12. | :19:18. | |
we understand, be carried out by the National executive committee. If | :19:19. | :19:22. | |
there were moves to say, well, actually it wasn't that serious and | :19:23. | :19:26. | |
Ken Livingstone could be a mere -- could be allowed back in, that would | :19:27. | :19:30. | |
go down very badly with some sections of the party. Some senior | :19:31. | :19:33. | |
figures in the saddo cabinet have been really deeply upset by the | :19:34. | :19:37. | |
comments that Ken Livingstone made and by the reaction to it. We have | :19:38. | :19:41. | |
had the deputy leader today suggesting that one needs to happen | :19:42. | :19:45. | |
is perhaps a look at the rules and perhaps a look at a new Code of | :19:46. | :19:49. | |
Conduct, more measures to explicitly say you can't express anti-Semitic | :19:50. | :19:54. | |
views and to explicitly rule that out. If you like, a reassurance | :19:55. | :20:01. | |
because incidents like this which have exploded in the row on the | :20:02. | :20:05. | |
steps of the offices here yesterday are not the first incidents. We had | :20:06. | :20:09. | |
all the allegations of what has happened on university campuses. | :20:10. | :20:12. | |
There is already an enquiry into that. I think there is now real | :20:13. | :20:15. | |
pressure on the leadership of the Labour Party to do something about | :20:16. | :20:20. | |
this. We have very important elections next week. Local | :20:21. | :20:24. | |
elections, elections in Scotland, Wales and London and people are | :20:25. | :20:28. | |
saying that as a test of Jeremy Corbyn's leadership and unless firm | :20:29. | :20:31. | |
action is taken, this whole issue could cost the party a lot more | :20:32. | :20:38. | |
votes and seats at the polls. Joining me in the studio is John | :20:39. | :20:42. | |
Landman, a lump standing Labour Party member who worked on Jeremy | :20:43. | :20:48. | |
Corbyn's election campaign. He called for Ken Livingstone to be | :20:49. | :20:53. | |
suspended. Suspended or expelled? Actually, I didn't call for him to | :20:54. | :20:57. | |
be suspended. I thought he should resign from politics, actually. I | :20:58. | :21:03. | |
think what Ken said was very ill judged, intemperate, wrong and | :21:04. | :21:11. | |
offensive. The trouble is, Ken hasn't really got a role any more | :21:12. | :21:17. | |
but he is still somebody who is invited into TV studios and | :21:18. | :21:19. | |
unfortunately he said some things which were very ill judged and he | :21:20. | :21:23. | |
needs to recognise that it is time for him to move on. One colleague | :21:24. | :21:30. | |
phrase that he was a disgusting Nazi apologist. I don't think Ken is a | :21:31. | :21:36. | |
Nazi apologist and I think that is as unreasonable as what Ken said. I | :21:37. | :21:42. | |
do think he is anti-Semitic. I think he said things without thinking. | :21:43. | :21:54. | |
When they were talking about deporting Jews from Israel... Ken | :21:55. | :22:03. | |
did not say that. Ken said that Hitler supported Zionism. Pickard | :22:04. | :22:09. | |
was not a supporter of Zionism. He was -- Hitler was not a supporter of | :22:10. | :22:13. | |
Zionism. He was responsible for the death of 6 million views. People who | :22:14. | :22:20. | |
are Zionists want a homeland to provide safety. That was the point | :22:21. | :22:26. | |
that Ken Livingstone made though, wasn't it? He said that prior to | :22:27. | :22:30. | |
going mad when he started killing Jews, he wanted Jews to be deported. | :22:31. | :22:36. | |
I think Hitler was always deeply anti-Semitic. There was never a | :22:37. | :22:39. | |
period before he was deeply anti-Semitic. So I actually don't | :22:40. | :22:45. | |
agree with Ken Livingstone saying it is a matter of Hitler going mad. | :22:46. | :22:50. | |
Historically, his analysis is wrong and it was offensive and he needs to | :22:51. | :22:55. | |
move on. I think we also need to recognise in Ken that he is not | :22:56. | :22:59. | |
anti-Semitic. He is not a Nazi apologist. Actually, he did many | :23:00. | :23:05. | |
good things in London. In some ways, he was responsible for raising | :23:06. | :23:13. | |
issues of racism and intolerance of women, of gay people and so on. He | :23:14. | :23:22. | |
has helped to make London comfortable in its modern cultural | :23:23. | :23:25. | |
diversity. Is there a place in the party for him now to come back? As I | :23:26. | :23:30. | |
have said, I think it is time for Ken to move on from politics. But if | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
he is not going to returning from the party, should he be sacked? | :23:36. | :23:41. | |
Sacking him from the party? No, I dig it is time for him to move on | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
from politics and time for him to move on from the National executive | :23:47. | :23:52. | |
committee of the party. If Jeremy Corbyn doesn't take the decision to | :23:53. | :23:57. | |
take firm action and expel him which many are saying is what he should | :23:58. | :24:02. | |
do. Andy Burnham says, no kids, no buts, people who make anti-Semitic | :24:03. | :24:06. | |
comments should be expelled from the party. Doesn't that make him look | :24:07. | :24:13. | |
weak? I don't think that's what this is about. Anti-Semitism is a | :24:14. | :24:16. | |
competent problem. It has been around for a long time. It is not | :24:17. | :24:23. | |
new. -- anti-Semitism is a complicated problem. Society has a | :24:24. | :24:28. | |
problem with anti-Semitism. No particular party... People grow up | :24:29. | :24:36. | |
with prejudices. We have become its own Ken Livingstone and Naz Shah. | :24:37. | :24:41. | |
Should anyone... There are people that have an interest in stoking | :24:42. | :24:51. | |
this row. There is no small coincidence that this have come to | :24:52. | :24:54. | |
light now. What Naz Shah said she said two years ago. There are people | :24:55. | :24:59. | |
at the Tory party who have been trawling Twitter feed is looking for | :25:00. | :25:02. | |
evidence which has been stored until two weeks before the local elections | :25:03. | :25:07. | |
and the London mayoral elections. These are views which have been | :25:08. | :25:10. | |
written about and caused enormous offence. Is there any place in the | :25:11. | :25:14. | |
Labour Party for them? Of course there is no place in the Labour | :25:15. | :25:20. | |
Party for anti-Semitism. Jeremy has always made that clear. Jeremy is | :25:21. | :25:24. | |
anti-racist to his call. The full array which is going on -- lift the | :25:25. | :25:34. | |
euro does not make for rational debate for what is going on. Where | :25:35. | :25:46. | |
we have their review cases of severe anti-Semitism, people exhibiting | :25:47. | :25:47. | |
prejudices, and prejudices are in all of us. We grow up with them, we | :25:48. | :25:54. | |
learn from our friends at school and our workmates. We need to recognise | :25:55. | :25:58. | |
added knowledge that there is anti-Semitism in society, including | :25:59. | :26:01. | |
in all political parties, including in the Labour Party, and we have two | :26:02. | :26:05. | |
deal with it. James has text its own, have the Jewish people not | :26:06. | :26:09. | |
suffered enough in history? Jackie, if remarks made by the Labour Party | :26:10. | :26:14. | |
are to be scrutinised before they took office, surely Jeremy Corbyn | :26:15. | :26:17. | |
should also be scrutinised as he is just as guilty? John's attack on Ken | :26:18. | :26:28. | |
Livingstone was disgusting, not what he said, but the way it happened. | :26:29. | :26:32. | |
John Mann has been called before the Chief Whip to explain his behaviour. | :26:33. | :26:36. | |
Does he have anything to answer for? I think calling Ken a Nazi apologist | :26:37. | :26:43. | |
is discussed is -- is religious -- is ridiculous. The Tories have an | :26:44. | :26:47. | |
interest in soaking up the flames of whatever crisis is here, which I | :26:48. | :26:53. | |
think is largely a crisis of perceptions. So do some people in | :26:54. | :26:56. | |
the Labour Party and I'm afraid John Mann is one of them. He is no | :26:57. | :27:02. | |
supporter of Jeremy Corbyn. Did Jeremy Corbyn say that if Ken | :27:03. | :27:06. | |
Livingstone was to be suspended, John Mann should be suspended to? I | :27:07. | :27:11. | |
haven't heard him say that. Thank you very much. Thank you for your | :27:12. | :27:15. | |
comments. Do keep on getting in touch about everything we are | :27:16. | :27:18. | |
talking about on the programme this morning. | :27:19. | :27:21. | |
It was a scam designed to steal the life savings of hundreds | :27:22. | :27:25. | |
Today, nine men are being sentenced for their role in defrauding 140 | :27:26. | :27:29. | |
elderly people out of a total of ?1 million. | :27:30. | :27:31. | |
We speak to one woman who handed over ?130,000 to who she | :27:32. | :27:34. | |
How downloading an app can help tell you if genetically you're more | :27:35. | :27:38. | |
We talk to the doctor who helped design it and who hopes lives | :27:39. | :27:42. | |
We go to the BBC Newsroom for a summary of today's news. | :27:43. | :27:53. | |
Thank you. The NHS Trust which ran one of the biggest care providers in | :27:54. | :28:00. | |
England is continuing to put patients at risk according to the | :28:01. | :28:02. | |
Care Quality Commission. Southern Health has failed to adopt safer the | :28:03. | :28:07. | |
guidelines two and a half years after a teenager died in a bath | :28:08. | :28:11. | |
following an epileptic seizure. That led to an investigation into | :28:12. | :28:14. | |
hundreds of unexplained deaths. Last night, the chairman of the trust | :28:15. | :28:18. | |
resigned. Labour's deputy leader has said a | :28:19. | :28:22. | |
review of the party's procedures will ensure it has a zero tolerance | :28:23. | :28:28. | |
of bases including anti-Semitism. He was speaking after the Shadow Home | :28:29. | :28:31. | |
Secretary Andy Burnham said the leadership had not dealt with such | :28:32. | :28:35. | |
allegations quickly enough. Jeremy Corbyn has denied the party is in | :28:36. | :28:40. | |
crisis after comments made yesterday by Ken Livingstone which led to his | :28:41. | :28:43. | |
suspension. Headteachers have attacked the | :28:44. | :28:48. | |
testing regime for primary schools in England calling it chaotic and | :28:49. | :28:52. | |
distracting. Gathering for the annual conference in Birmingham, the | :28:53. | :28:55. | |
National Association of Head Teachers said the current system is | :28:56. | :28:58. | |
good for bureaucrats and politicians but doesn't work for peoples or | :28:59. | :29:02. | |
teachers. The government said tests have been updated to reflect a more | :29:03. | :29:08. | |
rigorous curriculum. Investigators looking into the death | :29:09. | :29:13. | |
of Prince are looking into the possibility that he overdosed on | :29:14. | :29:18. | |
production drugs. Last week, his -- the week before his death, his plane | :29:19. | :29:23. | |
made an emergency landing so he could receive treatment. They are | :29:24. | :29:27. | |
checking if a doctor was on the plane and if Prince was prescribed | :29:28. | :29:34. | |
painkillers which could have contributed to his death. | :29:35. | :29:39. | |
Hundreds of demonstrators have gathered where Donald Trump is | :29:40. | :29:45. | |
making a speech. A police car had its windows smashed and 20 people | :29:46. | :29:50. | |
are reported to have been arrested. He faces strong opposition in parts | :29:51. | :29:54. | |
of the state, particularly among Latinos. That is a summary of the | :29:55. | :29:58. | |
latest BBC News. More from me at 10am. | :29:59. | :30:01. | |
Time for the sports headlines now with Jessica. | :30:02. | :30:05. | |
Good morning. The British cyclist Simon Yates is not to blame for | :30:06. | :30:10. | |
failing a drug test according to his team. He is from the Orica GreenEdge | :30:11. | :30:16. | |
team and he has taken -- and they have taken responsibility saying | :30:17. | :30:21. | |
they failed to complete an exception for for his asthma. He is in | :30:22. | :30:25. | |
contention to ride for Team GB at the Olympics in Rio. | :30:26. | :30:33. | |
Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp has warned Villareal | :30:34. | :30:35. | |
that their Europa League semi-final tie is not over, despite losing | :30:36. | :30:37. | |
the first leg in Spain after an injury-time goal. | :30:38. | :30:40. | |
They meet again at Anfield next Thursday. | :30:41. | :30:44. | |
Ding Junhui rattled off four century breaks in the opening session | :30:45. | :30:47. | |
of his World Snooker semi-final - he leads Alan McManus | :30:48. | :30:49. | |
Ding is on course to become the first Asian winner of the title. | :30:50. | :30:53. | |
Mark Selby is 5-3 up against Marco Fu in the other semi. | :30:54. | :30:56. | |
And the latest attempt to improve driver safety | :30:57. | :30:58. | |
in Formula One is on trial ahead of the Russian Grand Prix. | :30:59. | :31:01. | |
The "aeroscreen" is designed to deflect debris. | :31:02. | :31:03. | |
Nico Rosberg finished fastest in first practice, | :31:04. | :31:05. | |
"The thought of suicide crossed my mind". | :31:06. | :31:13. | |
Those are the haunting words of Elizabeth Curtis who became | :31:14. | :31:15. | |
a victim of a million pound scam by a gang being sentenced | :31:16. | :31:18. | |
The perpetrators tricked hundreds of elderly vulnerable people out | :31:19. | :31:21. | |
of their life savings and it's feared some of the money may have | :31:22. | :31:24. | |
been intended to fund the travel of people from the UK to Syria. | :31:25. | :31:30. | |
Nine members of the gang are facing sentencing today for their part | :31:31. | :31:33. | |
In a moment we'll hear an exclusive interview with one of the victims. | :31:34. | :31:38. | |
First let's see how the scammers lured the elderly into their trap. | :31:39. | :33:22. | |
Ahead of today's sentencing, June Kelly spoke exclusively | :33:23. | :33:25. | |
to Elizabeth Curtis, an elderly victim from Cornwall. | :33:26. | :33:27. | |
She doesn't want her face shown, but she does want to talk | :33:28. | :33:30. | |
about the devastating impact the scam has had on her life. | :33:31. | :33:43. | |
I had a ring at the doorbell one afternoon and it was a policeman. | :33:44. | :33:49. | |
And I thought, why has a policeman come to see me? | :33:50. | :33:56. | |
And he told me that I had been scammed. | :33:57. | :33:59. | |
I felt stupid, sick, I could not believe I had been taken in. | :34:00. | :34:20. | |
He told me to go to my banks and transfer so much money | :34:21. | :34:24. | |
by instant transfers into named accounts. | :34:25. | :34:30. | |
He told me the transfers would be in small amounts so it would not | :34:31. | :34:34. | |
In all I went to the banks, made eight transactions and put | :34:35. | :34:42. | |
But he told me that if I was asked any questions, to say | :34:43. | :34:47. | |
Just describe when you went into your banks to withdraw | :34:48. | :35:04. | |
I had the name of the account, sort code, and the account number. | :35:05. | :35:08. | |
And I just asked to transfer by instant transfer the amount that | :35:09. | :35:11. | |
I think I was only asked once who the money was for. | :35:12. | :35:32. | |
I came out of the banks very relieved that they had not | :35:33. | :35:36. | |
actually asked me a lot of questions because I did not | :35:37. | :35:39. | |
Can you describe when you went into those banks, how much | :35:40. | :35:44. | |
Can you just talk me through the transactions? | :35:45. | :35:48. | |
Well in theory, sometimes it was ?20,000, and I think ?12,500. | :35:49. | :35:51. | |
And nobody said to you, why are you withdrawing | :35:52. | :35:53. | |
There was only one name that could have been British, the others | :35:54. | :35:59. | |
So did anybody ask you at all about why you needed it? | :36:00. | :36:04. | |
Not when I was making the transactions. | :36:05. | :36:06. | |
I was only asked and I think it was general talk when I had to go | :36:07. | :36:10. | |
And I think the cashier there was she was on the phone | :36:11. | :36:18. | |
to the branch, she asked me one or two questions about | :36:19. | :36:21. | |
Well I said, my nephew, and I said, he is having | :36:22. | :36:29. | |
And they said, what sort of work does he do? | :36:30. | :36:33. | |
And I had to make up on the spot that he was in business. | :36:34. | :36:36. | |
I cannot think of anything more definite. | :36:37. | :36:39. | |
They maybe believe it was the bank staff who were defrauding me. | :36:40. | :36:45. | |
The terrorists training and coming back to Britain or other countries, | :36:46. | :37:14. | |
Europe, blowing people up and that sort of thing. | :37:15. | :37:18. | |
When I first learned that I was scammed I thought, | :37:19. | :37:32. | |
And the thought of suicide did pass through my mind. | :37:33. | :37:40. | |
But then I realised it wasn't the answer. | :37:41. | :37:43. | |
I have lost all faith in my own judgment. | :37:44. | :37:50. | |
I find it hard to trust people again. | :37:51. | :37:56. | |
Without the help of friends and families I do not think | :37:57. | :37:59. | |
Who are genuinely vulnerable, elderly people and some of whom have | :38:00. | :38:15. | |
This career scam has been going on 2011 and yet very little | :38:16. | :38:26. | |
I was only asked once at NatWest who the money was for. | :38:27. | :38:31. | |
Santander obviously became suspicious enough to | :38:32. | :38:43. | |
But they did not inform me or stop me from making | :38:44. | :38:49. | |
I therefore believe that the banks are liable and I should have | :38:50. | :38:55. | |
NatWest and Santander gave me back a certain amount | :38:56. | :39:03. | |
I feel the banks should have reimbursed the full amount. | :39:04. | :39:18. | |
We made appeals to the banks and we did not get any joy there. | :39:19. | :39:22. | |
So we appealed to the financial ombudsman, without success. | :39:23. | :39:26. | |
It could be small claims court, or more legal action, | :39:27. | :39:33. | |
which I'm not too keen to go forward on. | :39:34. | :39:39. | |
Other than that I think we have come to a full stop as far | :39:40. | :39:43. | |
The reasons I am doing this interview, to make the public more | :39:44. | :39:52. | |
And not only this scam, other scams that occur. | :39:53. | :40:00. | |
Many innocent, vulnerable, elderly people have been, and are, | :40:01. | :40:07. | |
unwittingly becoming victims of what is a very | :40:08. | :40:10. | |
I hope the sentences given today will bring some sort of closure | :40:11. | :40:18. | |
Here in the studio to discuss the scam is Caroline Wayman, | :40:19. | :40:36. | |
the Chief Executive of the Financial Ombudsman, | :40:37. | :40:38. | |
Steve Profitt, Deputy Head of Action Fraud, and Katy Worobec, | :40:39. | :40:40. | |
Director of Financial Fraud Action UK. | :40:41. | :40:49. | |
Elizabeth Curtis turned to the Osburn -- ombudsman to try and get | :40:50. | :40:54. | |
the money back. Why did she not get it back? We looked at the case, and | :40:55. | :40:58. | |
we have to look at whether the banks have caused or contributed to the | :40:59. | :41:02. | |
loss. In this particular case, we've got but overall, the banks had acted | :41:03. | :41:07. | |
fairly, so unfortunately, she was -- we were unable to make any award in | :41:08. | :41:12. | |
her favour. Some of the money was given back as a goodwill gesture. | :41:13. | :41:17. | |
What is your view of the banks on their duty of care and more | :41:18. | :41:21. | |
responsible duty to their customers that -- customers? We do see | :41:22. | :41:25. | |
instances where the banks give goodwill gestures, and sometimes | :41:26. | :41:31. | |
that is appropriate. We also see cases where the banks have not acted | :41:32. | :41:35. | |
fairly, and we can award against them, but it is important that we | :41:36. | :41:38. | |
look at the individual circumstances and look at what has happened. If | :41:39. | :41:42. | |
the banks have not done anything wrong, then on the whole, it would | :41:43. | :41:46. | |
not be fair for the ombudsman to make the award. How much would you | :41:47. | :41:52. | |
expect banks to do when money is going out of the account in the | :41:53. | :41:57. | |
short space of time? It can be difficult, and sometimes it does | :41:58. | :42:00. | |
tackle -- trigger alerts. Sometimes, the bankers have said, are you sure, | :42:01. | :42:06. | |
are you sure, are you sure? As the lady there was describing, they have | :42:07. | :42:14. | |
been persuaded that the bank note, but however much the bank | :42:15. | :42:18. | |
intervenes, they persist. It is that having good procedures to have money | :42:19. | :42:26. | |
moved in the way they want to. But it is important that we raise | :42:27. | :42:31. | |
awareness of the sorts of scams. The banks will have a part to play, and | :42:32. | :42:35. | |
conversations like this are very helpful when things like this | :42:36. | :42:40. | |
happen. Katie, you effectively represent the banks. ?100,000 was | :42:41. | :42:45. | |
transferred out of Elizabeth's accounts to four different accounts | :42:46. | :42:52. | |
over five days. What systems are in place to raise flags? It is a | :42:53. | :42:58. | |
complex thing, because there are millions of genuine transactions | :42:59. | :43:02. | |
going through the day. At any given day. It is difficult for the banks | :43:03. | :43:07. | |
to spot any individual transactions and say that as a fraudulent one, | :43:08. | :43:12. | |
say that is a scam. But there are methods in place, and the banks are | :43:13. | :43:19. | |
effectively stop at seven in every ?10 of attempted fraud last year. As | :43:20. | :43:25. | |
Caroline said, a lot of this is about people being aware of these | :43:26. | :43:29. | |
scams existing, and I think the lady who has had the bravery to give her | :43:30. | :43:36. | |
story, is going to really help raise the awareness not fall into this | :43:37. | :43:43. | |
trap. You can see, hearing what happened, how easy it was to fall | :43:44. | :43:46. | |
into a trap like that. This fraud only works because she was cold | :43:47. | :43:52. | |
called at home. She was totally unaware that when you are called at | :43:53. | :43:58. | |
home, when you hang up, the phone line is still open. When she has | :43:59. | :44:04. | |
made the contact to verify the details of the fraudsters, she still | :44:05. | :44:08. | |
talking to the fraudsters. She is not talking to the police. Once you | :44:09. | :44:13. | |
have passed that step, you will do anything, because she firmly | :44:14. | :44:20. | |
believed that she was working on the behalf of the police. That is the | :44:21. | :44:24. | |
difficulty. This is a scam that went on for some time, got a lot of | :44:25. | :44:28. | |
money. A lot of people caught up in it. The police and banks were not | :44:29. | :44:33. | |
aware some time. Why not? Because she is going along with the scam. It | :44:34. | :44:40. | |
is only as a result of investigations in relation to other | :44:41. | :44:43. | |
victims of theirs who have come forward that they were able to | :44:44. | :44:49. | |
contact her, approach her, and inform her that this was a scam. How | :44:50. | :44:53. | |
sophisticated scams getting? Are they more sophisticated than they | :44:54. | :44:58. | |
were? Incredibly more sophisticated. Roast -- fraudsters are using | :44:59. | :45:02. | |
technology to enable them to commit these frauds. Fishing e-mails with | :45:03. | :45:08. | |
links, with data fields that you can fill in, or attachments that do | :45:09. | :45:12. | |
nasty things to your computer. Is it always easy to spot if something | :45:13. | :45:17. | |
comes in and it is unsolicited? That is obvious. But there are things | :45:18. | :45:28. | |
that are much more difficult. a Queen 's it used to be easy to spot | :45:29. | :45:32. | |
because with a look at the spelling, look at the grammar, but that has | :45:33. | :45:37. | |
gone. They are cutting and pasting headings on genuine e-mails. They | :45:38. | :45:41. | |
looked genuine. All we can say is, your bank will never ask you for | :45:42. | :45:45. | |
these details, so don't fill them in. Any doubt at all, please phone | :45:46. | :45:50. | |
the number on the back of your banking card and asked to talk to | :45:51. | :45:55. | |
the fraud department. Yet advice and guidance from them before you do | :45:56. | :45:59. | |
anything and definitely don't click on links in e-mails or open up | :46:00. | :46:04. | |
attachments at all. Caroline, how many people are coming to the | :46:05. | :46:07. | |
ombudsman having lost money through fraud and trying to get it back? It | :46:08. | :46:12. | |
is definitely something we have seen more of. We have seen 400 of these | :46:13. | :46:18. | |
cases, more than 400. It is important to say it is not just | :46:19. | :46:22. | |
people who are vulnerable. Anybody can fall for these things. The | :46:23. | :46:26. | |
techniques are very sophisticated and it is very easy to be taken in | :46:27. | :46:31. | |
and very often people say I felt embarrassed, ashamed. That is why it | :46:32. | :46:35. | |
is so important to talk about it and I hope people feel able to come | :46:36. | :46:39. | |
forward. It is important to take action as soon as possible. If you | :46:40. | :46:42. | |
think something has happened, don't wait. Take action as soon as you | :46:43. | :46:47. | |
can. Are any prosecution is happening? In terms of cases in | :46:48. | :46:55. | |
proportion to the prosecutions. There are more and more | :46:56. | :46:58. | |
prosecutions. This is a very sad story but from a law enforcement | :46:59. | :47:04. | |
perspective, it is a good use story, because the bureau has been able to | :47:05. | :47:08. | |
link these cases together and we have a successful prosecution here | :47:09. | :47:11. | |
and these criminals will be sentenced today, hopefully put in | :47:12. | :47:18. | |
prison. It is improving. It is increasing. But as Caroline said, we | :47:19. | :47:23. | |
need people not to be afraid to reported so we've got the full | :47:24. | :47:26. | |
intelligence picture. We can link all of this together. When something | :47:27. | :47:33. | |
happens, Katie, and money is transferred and it's discovered that | :47:34. | :47:35. | |
it's gone fortunately, can the banks not get it back? It sounds simple, | :47:36. | :47:41. | |
doesn't it, but money moves very quickly. It is split into smaller | :47:42. | :47:45. | |
amounts and moved out of the country. It can happen in seconds. | :47:46. | :47:50. | |
It sounds simple but it doesn't fit in an account and wait for us to go | :47:51. | :47:54. | |
and find it and that is why it is a complex criminal issue. In this | :47:55. | :47:58. | |
particular case, you mention the fact that the phone line was kept | :47:59. | :48:04. | |
open. This seems to be an obviously poll that could be tackled quite | :48:05. | :48:15. | |
easily, couldn't it? You are totally right with that. When this case was | :48:16. | :48:20. | |
perpetrated, the phone line was opened for 20 seconds. That had been | :48:21. | :48:24. | |
reduced from 20 minutes to 20 seconds. Working collectively | :48:25. | :48:28. | |
together, that has been reduced to only a couple of seconds and we are | :48:29. | :48:32. | |
hopeful that very, very shortly that will be reduced to zero. When that | :48:33. | :48:36. | |
happens, fraudsters will not be able to commit this type of fraud. But | :48:37. | :48:41. | |
clearly they will evolve into a new method of getting your money in the | :48:42. | :48:45. | |
right circumstances. They will not be able to use the landline phone | :48:46. | :48:51. | |
that is left open. Is there a profile of a typical victim? Because | :48:52. | :48:55. | |
you were talking about how frauds have become ever more sophisticated. | :48:56. | :48:59. | |
It used to be that maybe some people would be dismissive and say, I | :49:00. | :49:02. | |
wouldn't fall for that, it is obvious, but it is not always so | :49:03. | :49:08. | |
obvious. Can anyone fall victim now? Anyone can be a victim of fraud. | :49:09. | :49:13. | |
Absolutely anybody, any age. Is that what you are seeing? It is what we | :49:14. | :49:22. | |
are seeing. Specific fraud is targeted at demographics. This | :49:23. | :49:25. | |
particular one was targeted at the elderly, retired people, but we have | :49:26. | :49:29. | |
seen this exact scam with other people of different age groups, | :49:30. | :49:31. | |
different demographics. Anybody can be conned into it. Katie, do the | :49:32. | :49:37. | |
banks not have an insurance to cover when money is lost as to mark that | :49:38. | :49:43. | |
they're not pay out on that basis? It is really difficult because every | :49:44. | :49:47. | |
case is different. You are looking at a really sophisticated criminal | :49:48. | :49:53. | |
gang. What we would think is the best thing is to raise awareness of | :49:54. | :49:57. | |
this type of crime, so we are working with the task force, with | :49:58. | :50:02. | |
law enforcement, with government to look at the vulnerabilities around | :50:03. | :50:05. | |
this type of crime and we have our own police unit looking at this type | :50:06. | :50:09. | |
of crime and we are launching in September a large-scale awareness | :50:10. | :50:14. | |
campaign to raise the profile of this type of fraud. Thank you all | :50:15. | :50:19. | |
very much. Let us know if you have fallen victim to fraud. Get in touch | :50:20. | :50:21. | |
and all the normal ways. One of the country's biggest mental | :50:22. | :50:27. | |
health trusts is putting patients 'at risk' and not protecting | :50:28. | :50:30. | |
them properly according We speak to one father | :50:31. | :50:32. | |
who lost his son whilst he was under One in two people in the UK | :50:33. | :50:36. | |
will get cancer at some Now, it's hoped a new app will help | :50:37. | :50:44. | |
provide quicker access to life saving treatment for the three | :50:45. | :50:51. | |
in every 100 of those cases that are passed down | :50:52. | :50:54. | |
through someone's genes. The App was developed | :50:55. | :50:57. | |
after referrals to the clinical genetics service at Guy's | :50:58. | :51:00. | |
and St Thomas' Hospital in London doubled when actress Angelina Jolie | :51:01. | :51:03. | |
announced she carried the inherited BRCA1 gene mutation and had | :51:04. | :51:07. | |
undergone a preventative Here to explain how the app works | :51:08. | :51:09. | |
is its creator Dr Anju Kulkarni. Also with us this morning | :51:10. | :51:16. | |
is Kenisha McGregor - who was diagnosed with breast cancer | :51:17. | :51:19. | |
in 2013 and was found to carry the BRCA1 gene mutation | :51:20. | :51:22. | |
when she was referred to Guy's She says she would have | :51:23. | :51:26. | |
benefited from the App, Thank you both for coming in. | :51:27. | :51:37. | |
Doctor, you work involved in developing this app. Why did you | :51:38. | :51:50. | |
want to be involved? We know that genetics can be involved in | :51:51. | :51:53. | |
developing cancer and this is about giving tools to people to show those | :51:54. | :51:58. | |
who can be at risk of developing cancer. Those that are at risk, can | :51:59. | :52:03. | |
develop different types of cancer possibly at younger ages. It is | :52:04. | :52:06. | |
important to identify those people so they have access to prevention | :52:07. | :52:10. | |
and screening and surgical options if they don't have cancer. Also, | :52:11. | :52:16. | |
there are new drug treatment and therapies for those with an | :52:17. | :52:23. | |
inherited full of cancer. Is it not easy to spot? It is about giving the | :52:24. | :52:31. | |
tools to spot the red flags, the warning signs that might make them | :52:32. | :52:34. | |
think about this person might be at risk and we need to refer them. More | :52:35. | :52:40. | |
importantly, also to be able to reassure people who aren't at risk | :52:41. | :52:43. | |
because there has been a growing awareness of the risk of inherited | :52:44. | :52:46. | |
cancer over the last few years. We've had an increasing number of | :52:47. | :52:52. | |
referrals to our department. Because of Angelina Jolie? Because of the | :52:53. | :52:58. | |
Angelina Jolie effect. There are almost 2000 referrals to our | :52:59. | :53:02. | |
department now. So that is people who are not showing symptoms? Or | :53:03. | :53:09. | |
people with cancer who are worried about other members of their family | :53:10. | :53:13. | |
as well. Doctors do ask about family history, don't they, so what is | :53:14. | :53:17. | |
going wrong with the system at the moment? I think it is about access | :53:18. | :53:22. | |
to current guidance, really. The guidance is a rapidly evolving area | :53:23. | :53:25. | |
and we are learning a lot more about what patients should be. Should they | :53:26. | :53:32. | |
be eligible for early testing, screening? It is about access to | :53:33. | :53:38. | |
that guidance. A lot of clinicians are busy. GPs and doctors in the | :53:39. | :53:41. | |
hospital who maybe don't have time to look up published guidance and | :53:42. | :53:45. | |
the new published literature. This is about giving them something at | :53:46. | :53:48. | |
their fingertips that they can use with the patient in the clinic, | :53:49. | :53:52. | |
though through a series of questions about their family history, medical | :53:53. | :53:55. | |
history, give them a risk assessment and either be able to reassure them | :53:56. | :53:59. | |
or say, actually, I think we need to refer you onto specialist services. | :54:00. | :54:06. | |
You were diagnosed with breast cancer in 2013 you had BRCA1 gene | :54:07. | :54:18. | |
mutation. Had he been aware of that? We had a strong history of breast | :54:19. | :54:24. | |
cancer in my family and 80 months right to my -- 18 months prior to my | :54:25. | :54:32. | |
diagnosis, I found a lump and was referred, where I was told there was | :54:33. | :54:36. | |
nothing wrong. I was given the option of going to a specialist | :54:37. | :54:39. | |
clinic and run the risk assessment when it I was told I had a moderate | :54:40. | :54:43. | |
risk to developing breast cancer because of my family history. You at | :54:44. | :54:50. | |
that stage knew that you had the BRCA1 Jean, did you? I was not | :54:51. | :55:00. | |
offering genetic testing at the time -- offered genetic testing at the | :55:01. | :55:04. | |
time because of the nice guidelines at the time but 18 months later when | :55:05. | :55:09. | |
I was diagnosed, I was given the opportunity to go for genetic | :55:10. | :55:11. | |
testing which proved that we did have the BRCA1 in the family. | :55:12. | :55:17. | |
Potentially, if the ad had been available 18 months prior to one I | :55:18. | :55:21. | |
was diagnosed, it could have made a significant difference to me. You | :55:22. | :55:27. | |
could have discovered that you had a greater risks are you could have had | :55:28. | :55:29. | |
preventative surgery rather than treatment? Absolutely. How would you | :55:30. | :55:36. | |
have reacted to that, do you think? That resource. Dilemmas out there | :55:37. | :55:42. | |
that aren't there -- that throws all sorts of dilemmas out there until | :55:43. | :55:49. | |
you have had something confirmed? We always thought there was something | :55:50. | :55:54. | |
genetic in the family. Had I had the opportunity to have genetic testing | :55:55. | :55:57. | |
18 months earlier, I believe I would have explored that. Definitely. How | :55:58. | :56:04. | |
helpful if it for people to be tested? What is your perspective on | :56:05. | :56:07. | |
that because obviously it does throughout dilemmas for families | :56:08. | :56:10. | |
when they know that this gene is within the Amelie of how to deal | :56:11. | :56:16. | |
with that? It is about making informed choices about the future. | :56:17. | :56:21. | |
Please spell out what the BRCA1 gene means for your chances? They are at | :56:22. | :56:30. | |
much higher risks of breast cancer or ovarian cancer if a woman carries | :56:31. | :56:36. | |
the BRCA1 gene. Those risks can be up to 80% for breast cancer over a | :56:37. | :56:45. | |
woman's lifetime, and 50% of ovarian cancer, compared to a 12% risk of | :56:46. | :56:50. | |
breast cancer in the general population and a 2% risk of ovarian | :56:51. | :56:53. | |
cancer. We know now that patients with cancer who carried the BRCA1 | :56:54. | :57:04. | |
gene, Errani therapy such -- there are new therapies which target those | :57:05. | :57:10. | |
genes specifically. There are the mastectomies, early surveillance | :57:11. | :57:12. | |
that can be put into place for women as well. Yes, it can be difficult | :57:13. | :57:18. | |
for families to come to terms with the knowledge that there could be an | :57:19. | :57:22. | |
inherited risk, but it is about empowering people to make informed | :57:23. | :57:25. | |
decisions and giving them control over sometimes what can be a burden | :57:26. | :57:29. | |
of cancer in the family. Thank you both very much. | :57:30. | :57:35. | |
Let's just bring you some comments on the conversation we just had | :57:36. | :57:41. | |
about that and that's all pensioners defrauded to the tune of 100 -- of | :57:42. | :57:47. | |
?1 million, 140 of them losing out. Emily says, why would someone move | :57:48. | :57:50. | |
their money into someone else's account? Someone else says, for all | :57:51. | :57:55. | |
those clever clogs who say why did she get taken in, have you watched | :57:56. | :58:01. | |
the video? She is the older who probably don't know about scams and | :58:02. | :58:06. | |
is brought up to respect a policeman and thought her money was in danger | :58:07. | :58:11. | |
and felt vulnerable. Someone else said, she got in touch and it's very | :58:12. | :58:15. | |
sad but why didn't she go to the police station to check? A tweet | :58:16. | :58:20. | |
says I'm a heartbreaking. Someone else there is, surely the bank | :58:21. | :58:25. | |
should pay back the money if they have authorised it and she has been | :58:26. | :58:28. | |
scammed? Two other people say the woman needs to take responsibility | :58:29. | :58:33. | |
for her own actions and not blame others for her naivete. Now let's | :58:34. | :58:43. | |
catch up with the weather. Well, it is made this weekend but we are | :58:44. | :58:47. | |
still talking about wintry weather. Snow is falling again across parts | :58:48. | :58:53. | |
of the United Kingdom. We have had some spectacular pictures. There is | :58:54. | :58:55. | |
eight centimetres of snow lying here. Other places also showing an | :58:56. | :59:01. | |
impressive covering. Heavy snowfalls overnight and three this morning | :59:02. | :59:06. | |
means issues on the roads in and around parts of Yorkshire and | :59:07. | :59:11. | |
Scotland. It is not just Yorkshire and southern Scotland either. The | :59:12. | :59:13. | |
Highlands have seen heavy snow falling as well. Across the | :59:14. | :59:19. | |
Highlands, the snow showers are fading away but still got some | :59:20. | :59:23. | |
problems across parts of south-east Gotland in particular and parts of | :59:24. | :59:27. | |
northern England. Someone in force from the Met office. -- some | :59:28. | :59:34. | |
warnings in force. Please use your local radio station for further | :59:35. | :59:39. | |
information. This shows the rain, in blue, and the snow, in white. We are | :59:40. | :59:44. | |
seeing snow mostly over higher ground, but the hills are not that | :59:45. | :59:50. | |
big. There will also be strong winds for the next few hours. The far | :59:51. | :59:54. | |
north of England stays wet and cold all day. Elsewhere, quite a lot of | :59:55. | :59:58. | |
sunshine around with some stands -- some showers developing through the | :59:59. | :00:04. | |
day. There will at least be some sunshine in between and when the sun | :00:05. | :00:08. | |
pops out, we should get to double figures. These temperatures well | :00:09. | :00:12. | |
below average for the time of year. In for a cold day in Scotland and | :00:13. | :00:16. | |
northern England. The wet weather will fade and the showers fade from | :00:17. | :00:22. | |
elsewhere, with a clean, clear night leaving us in a cold one. Rural | :00:23. | :00:28. | |
areas will be below freezing. Darkness, take note of that. Into | :00:29. | :00:33. | |
the long weekend and the low-pressure is moving out and we | :00:34. | :00:39. | |
are between weather systems. Saturday morning should be a | :00:40. | :00:41. | |
sparkling start to the long weekend. It will be cold but sunny. The cloud | :00:42. | :00:46. | |
bubbles up at the showers get going. Not as many as today and not as | :00:47. | :00:50. | |
wintry. Temperatures were widely getting into double digits. It gets | :00:51. | :00:55. | |
more mild again on Sunday, with the south-eastern quarter staying dry, | :00:56. | :00:58. | |
elsewhere with wind and rain picking up. Look at the numbers, | :00:59. | :01:02. | |
temperatures into double figures across the land. More mild steel | :01:03. | :01:06. | |
into bank holiday Monday. There will be rain around but probably only | :01:07. | :01:14. | |
bits and bobs before it turns brighter behind them. Crucially, | :01:15. | :01:18. | |
after such a cold week, it will be a lot milder. Some sunshine, yes there | :01:19. | :01:22. | |
will be some rain, but overall, given the wintry nature of the | :01:23. | :01:26. | |
weather at the moment, an improvement this weekend. Starting | :01:27. | :01:27. | |
to feel a little bit like May. Hello, I'm Joanna Gosling, | :01:28. | :01:34. | |
welcome to the programme Patients of one of the country's | :01:35. | :01:36. | |
biggest mental health trusts are 'at risk' and are not | :01:37. | :01:41. | |
being properly protected properly because of poor | :01:42. | :01:43. | |
management decisions. We hear from a father | :01:44. | :01:44. | |
who lost his son whilst he was under Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn says | :01:45. | :01:47. | |
everything is under control - despite strong criticism from senior | :01:48. | :01:52. | |
Labour figures for his handling of allegations of anti-semitism | :01:53. | :01:54. | |
within the party. Now Labour's deputy leader says | :01:55. | :01:59. | |
the party's rules could be changed. Are tests to assess 6 and 7 year | :02:00. | :02:05. | |
olds too high pressure Some parents feel so strongly | :02:06. | :02:08. | |
they're taking their kids out We'll be discussing it with parents, | :02:09. | :02:11. | |
teachers and test supporters. We go to the BBC Newsroom | :02:12. | :02:30. | |
for a summary of today's news. The NHS trust which ran one | :02:31. | :02:34. | |
of the biggest care providers in England is "continuing to put | :02:35. | :02:37. | |
patients at risk", according to the health regulator, | :02:38. | :02:39. | |
the Care Quality Commission. Southern Health has failed | :02:40. | :02:43. | |
to adopt safer guidelines two-and-a-half years | :02:44. | :02:45. | |
after a teenager drowned in a bath That led to an investigation | :02:46. | :02:50. | |
into hundreds of unexplained deaths. Last night, the chairman | :02:51. | :02:55. | |
of the trust resigned. Labour's deputy leader Tom Watson | :02:56. | :02:59. | |
has said a review of the party's rules and procedures will ensure it | :03:00. | :03:01. | |
has a zero-tolerance of racism, He was speaking after | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
the Shadow Home Secretary, Andy Burnham, said the leadership | :03:07. | :03:11. | |
had not dealt with such Jeremy Corbyn has denied Labour's | :03:12. | :03:14. | |
in crisis after the escalating row, over comments made | :03:15. | :03:17. | |
yesterday by the former London Mayor Ken Livingstone, | :03:18. | :03:19. | |
which has led to his suspension. John Landman is a Labour Party | :03:20. | :03:26. | |
activist. He believes that it is time for Mr Livingstone to resign. I | :03:27. | :03:32. | |
think what Ken said was very ill judged, intemperate, wrong, and | :03:33. | :03:40. | |
offensive. And I think the trouble is, Ken does not have a role any | :03:41. | :03:46. | |
more, but he is still someone who is invited into TV studios, and he said | :03:47. | :03:49. | |
some things which were very ill judged. He needs to recognise that | :03:50. | :03:52. | |
it is time for him to move on. Nine members of a gang | :03:53. | :03:56. | |
who scammed millions of pounds from pensioners are to be sentenced | :03:57. | :03:58. | |
at the Old Bailey today. The men tricked more | :03:59. | :04:01. | |
than 100 elderly and vulnerable people out of their life savings | :04:02. | :04:05. | |
and it's feared some of the money may have been intended to fund | :04:06. | :04:08. | |
the travel of people One victim told this | :04:09. | :04:10. | |
programme the impact the scam When I first learned that I was | :04:11. | :04:20. | |
scammed, I thought, could I live with myself, fought having lost so | :04:21. | :04:26. | |
much money? And the thought of suicide did pass through my mind. | :04:27. | :04:30. | |
But then I realised, it was not the answer. I still feel traumatised, or | :04:31. | :04:38. | |
have lost all faith in my own judgment, I find it hard to trust | :04:39. | :04:44. | |
people again without the help of friends and family I don't think I | :04:45. | :04:46. | |
could have got through. Head teachers have attacked | :04:47. | :04:48. | |
the government's testing regime for primary schools in England, | :04:49. | :04:50. | |
calling it chaotic and distracting. Gathering for their annual | :04:51. | :04:53. | |
conference in Birmingham, the National Association | :04:54. | :04:55. | |
of Head Teachers said the current system was good | :04:56. | :04:56. | |
for bureaucrats and politicians, but didn't work for | :04:57. | :04:58. | |
pupils or teachers. The government says tests have been | :04:59. | :05:01. | |
updated to reflect a more Investigators examining the death | :05:02. | :05:04. | |
of the musician Prince are reportedly looking | :05:05. | :05:09. | |
at the possibility he overdosed Days before his death last | :05:10. | :05:11. | |
week, his private plane made an emergency landing, | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
so he could receive The Associated Press agency says | :05:16. | :05:18. | |
officials are checking whether a doctor was on the plane, | :05:19. | :05:27. | |
and if Prince had been prescribed painkillers, which may have | :05:28. | :05:30. | |
contributed to his death. Hundreds of demonstrators have | :05:31. | :05:32. | |
blocked traffic outside a venue in California where Republican | :05:33. | :05:34. | |
presidential hopeful Donald Trump A police car | :05:35. | :05:36. | |
had its windows smashed as Mr Trump spoke inside a hall | :05:37. | :05:43. | |
in the Orange County Fairgrounds. 20 people are reported | :05:44. | :05:46. | |
to have been arrested. The Republican frontrunner, | :05:47. | :05:48. | |
who has vowed to deport millions of illegal immigrants, | :05:49. | :05:50. | |
faces strong opposition in parts of the state, particularly | :05:51. | :05:52. | |
among Latinos. That's a summary of the latest BBC | :05:53. | :05:54. | |
News - more at 10.30. Thanks for your comments on SATS | :05:55. | :06:02. | |
tests for primary school children. We'll be discussing the tests | :06:03. | :06:05. | |
a little later this hour. Maria got in touch to say - | :06:06. | :06:14. | |
"Please let kids be kids. They learn much more | :06:15. | :06:17. | |
through play and discovery. No wonder mental health | :06:18. | :06:19. | |
is on the rise in youngsters." And Emma texted to say - | :06:20. | :06:22. | |
"Training children for tests wastes SATs tests are a political | :06:23. | :06:24. | |
tool and nothing more." Do get in touch with us | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
throughout the morning - use the hashtag and if you text, | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
you will be charged Sport now with Jessica - | :06:35. | :06:36. | |
and you have an update on the so-called "week from hell" | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
in British cycling - A terrible week. British cycling has | :06:41. | :06:52. | |
been hit by one controversy after another. It has been described as | :06:53. | :06:58. | |
the week from hell. Today, we have news that Simon Yates has failed a | :06:59. | :07:04. | |
drugs test. Simon Brotherton joins us now. What can you tell us about | :07:05. | :07:13. | |
the latest of the situation? His team have been very quick to issue a | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
statement claiming that it is their fault, not his. We are talking about | :07:19. | :07:25. | |
something that is called terbutaline. It is used to treat | :07:26. | :07:33. | |
asthma. Crucially, they have not applied for what is eight TUV, a | :07:34. | :07:39. | |
therapeutic exemption certificate. They are claiming it is an | :07:40. | :07:45. | |
administrative area, and the person involved takes full response | :07:46. | :07:48. | |
Bonucci. Simon Yates is a 23-year-old from Barry. -- Mary. | :07:49. | :07:59. | |
Adam is just as talented as his brother Simon, and he is one a | :08:00. | :08:09. | |
points race in 2013. He is, or would be, a major contender for Britain's | :08:10. | :08:19. | |
Olympic team in Mayo. -- Rio. What can we expect in terms of | :08:20. | :08:23. | |
punishment, even though the team have taken response politicos like | :08:24. | :08:27. | |
that remains to be seen. He is outside the rules. Has he got this | :08:28. | :08:32. | |
exemption certificate, it would not have been a problem. We need to hear | :08:33. | :08:36. | |
the reaction of the UCI. We help will have to wait and let the | :08:37. | :08:42. | |
process takes this course. I do not know where it will go, to be honest. | :08:43. | :08:46. | |
We have seen British cycling under the spotlight because of Shane | :08:47. | :08:55. | |
Sutton was accused of disco retreat remarks. -- discriminatory remarks. | :08:56. | :09:02. | |
We are in the position with him, after the allegations of sexism from | :09:03. | :09:08. | |
Jess Varnish, and the allegations of the use of derogatory language | :09:09. | :09:15. | |
against the Paralympic team, Shane Sutton is straight should -- | :09:16. | :09:21. | |
straight talking, abrasive. That is not new. His methods work | :09:22. | :09:23. | |
brilliantly for some people, like Bradley Wiggins. Clearly, these same | :09:24. | :09:33. | |
methods and his style does not work with others, who felt intimidated. | :09:34. | :09:40. | |
But he did play a major role for the rights in recent years. He was best | :09:41. | :09:44. | |
suited to his role as head coach when Dave Brailsford was there. | :09:45. | :09:53. | |
There is also controversy about the sale of kit online. It cycling says | :09:54. | :10:01. | |
that any kit has not been given away or sold for profit. Their are | :10:02. | :10:07. | |
investigations into claims that kit and a high-performance bike was made | :10:08. | :10:09. | |
available online. British cycling are saying that sometimes, kit is | :10:10. | :10:17. | |
sold with money reinvested into the team. Sometimes, it is given as | :10:18. | :10:28. | |
payment in kind. We will keep you up-to-date with that. That is all | :10:29. | :10:29. | |
the support from now. -- sport. For the past few years one | :10:30. | :10:38. | |
of country's biggest mental health trusts has been hit by a series | :10:39. | :10:41. | |
of scandals - unexpected deaths, damning reports, | :10:42. | :10:43. | |
and claims of bad practice. Now a inspection, which was ordered | :10:44. | :10:45. | |
by the government, has found that, despite warnings, Southern Health | :10:46. | :10:48. | |
is still not doing enough The Trust looks after patients | :10:49. | :10:50. | |
in Hampshire, Dorset, Wiltshire, Last night, the Chairman resigned | :10:51. | :10:53. | |
so that improvements could be made. Here's what the Care | :10:54. | :10:57. | |
Quality Commission, which ran the inspection, | :10:58. | :10:58. | |
had to say about what it found. Reports of an group -- of our most | :10:59. | :11:09. | |
recent inspection in January this year it found serious failings in | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
the governments of the organisation, particularly around investigating | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
the death of people in care at the trust. We were concerned about the | :11:19. | :11:23. | |
safety of some of the ward environments, from the trust not | :11:24. | :11:28. | |
learning from the investigations of previous incidents. We think that | :11:29. | :11:34. | |
this is a failure of governance and leadership. | :11:35. | :11:35. | |
The inspection follows on from the death of 18-year-old | :11:36. | :11:37. | |
He drowned in the bath after a seizure while he was at | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
His family have been spoking to the BBC this morning. | :11:42. | :11:49. | |
If we had known anything of any of the things we now know, we would not | :11:50. | :11:56. | |
have at misses him to the unit that night. We have found out in the | :11:57. | :12:01. | |
three years since that happened, things which are deeply disturbing, | :12:02. | :12:04. | |
not just about Connor, but about other families. What I find | :12:05. | :12:11. | |
particularly disturbing about this case is that if Connor had not died, | :12:12. | :12:15. | |
which obviously we would prefer that had he not died, but none of this | :12:16. | :12:20. | |
would have come out. What is so disappointing about the regulatory | :12:21. | :12:23. | |
regime is it if it is reactive, and relies on people, carers, concerned | :12:24. | :12:30. | |
individuals, to keep going and keep going. This trust try to bury what | :12:31. | :12:36. | |
happened to Connor, and had we not been there for Connor, they probably | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
would have not been able to do that. His son David had a history | :12:41. | :12:44. | |
of mental health problems. He died in 2013 from a drug | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
overdose, while under the care Thank you for coming in. He was 28 | :12:49. | :12:58. | |
when he died. He was. Tell us about the first time he was under the care | :12:59. | :13:06. | |
of Southern health. He moved to the area where I lived around Fareham | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
because he was physically abuse when he was in Swindon. He came under the | :13:11. | :13:17. | |
care of Southern Health at that time. You have brought in some | :13:18. | :13:21. | |
pictures about him when he was a little boy. Tell us about him. This | :13:22. | :13:27. | |
was him when he was two years old. He was a premature baby. He was a | :13:28. | :13:32. | |
forceps delivery. He had vetoed distress. It was my belief that he | :13:33. | :13:44. | |
had a brain injury at birth. He had three siblings, and he was always a | :13:45. | :13:50. | |
little bit different? He was the eldest, so it is difficult when it | :13:51. | :13:54. | |
is your oldest, because you don't know if it is normal or not. He was | :13:55. | :13:58. | |
always up at 4am or 5am, very hyperactive. But he did not get on | :13:59. | :14:03. | |
too well with other children. He found it difficult. He was very | :14:04. | :14:11. | |
strange in his manner, he had an excellent vocabulary, he used to | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
read encyclopaedias, he was top 1% by weight of IQ, but he could not | :14:17. | :14:21. | |
tell the time, could not tie his shoelaces at ten years of age. So he | :14:22. | :14:28. | |
is a little boy that you had concerns about. When did the | :14:29. | :14:32. | |
concerned stock to escalate? When he was very young. At six or seven, | :14:33. | :14:36. | |
will realise that something was not quite right. We took import | :14:37. | :14:46. | |
he was dyspraxic, dyslexic. He had a torrid time at school. He ended up | :14:47. | :14:54. | |
under the care of Southern Health. What were the particular issues that | :14:55. | :15:00. | |
he was treated for? He fell in with the wrong crowd, he found drugs, he | :15:01. | :15:05. | |
found drink, and he did that to excess. He was a difficult patient. | :15:06. | :15:11. | |
I make no bones about it. I'm sure he was not easy to deal with. | :15:12. | :15:15. | |
Southern Health... What were the issues? He disengaged when he wanted | :15:16. | :15:24. | |
to. He found it difficult to go to meetings. He found it difficult to | :15:25. | :15:28. | |
travel, he did not like to travel on buses. He was paranoid that people | :15:29. | :15:32. | |
were talking about him. Everything was difficult in his life. That | :15:33. | :15:37. | |
actually was one of the issues it was reported in the CTC report. When | :15:38. | :15:43. | |
a patient was not showing up for appointments. What happened? | :15:44. | :15:51. | |
In June 2013, he didn't show up for one of the appointments and a | :15:52. | :15:56. | |
consultant psychiatrist who had never met him before, had no | :15:57. | :16:00. | |
dealings with him whatsoever, discharged him from the service and | :16:01. | :16:04. | |
major rocketry and unprofessional comments. Called him toxic on his | :16:05. | :16:08. | |
patient notes, discharged him without writing to the doctor, his | :16:09. | :16:14. | |
GP. So for ten weeks, he was caught without any medication and he had | :16:15. | :16:17. | |
been on strong medication and he couldn't get access back to the | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
mental health team he couldn't get access to his GP. He was caught | :16:22. | :16:25. | |
completely in no man's land. Were you aware at the time? No, I wasn't, | :16:26. | :16:31. | |
and I was castigating him because I was saying, why haven't you got an | :16:32. | :16:35. | |
appointment for the mental health team? And he said, they are telling | :16:36. | :16:39. | |
me I've been discharged when I call them. I said, call the GP. He said, | :16:40. | :16:46. | |
I have called them and they said they haven't received a letter. As | :16:47. | :16:50. | |
far as they were aware, he was still being dealt with by the mental | :16:51. | :16:54. | |
health team. When did you discover he had been described as toxic? | :16:55. | :16:59. | |
After he died, Southern Health contacted me. Several managers there | :17:00. | :17:03. | |
were very kind, considerate and professional and they said they were | :17:04. | :17:07. | |
doing an investigation. Subsequent to that, they met me and told me | :17:08. | :17:12. | |
that there were two rocketry comments and that there was this | :17:13. | :17:18. | |
problem in June 2013 where he had been discharged inappropriately. How | :17:19. | :17:24. | |
did you feel when you knew that? I was pretty shocked, I was very angry | :17:25. | :17:30. | |
and I was particularly concerned, because on my son's report that they | :17:31. | :17:34. | |
did, they said there were a lot of issues, such as risk assessment not | :17:35. | :17:40. | |
been done correctly, a care plan not being there, crisis management not | :17:41. | :17:43. | |
being updated. The thing was, they said this was happening in a lot of | :17:44. | :17:47. | |
other reports that they were doing on other deaths. That was the first | :17:48. | :17:51. | |
thing that triggered my real concern. Then I heard about Connor | :17:52. | :17:57. | |
Sparrowhawk and his death. He is preventable death. An awful death. I | :17:58. | :18:05. | |
became even more angry. Then I looked around and there were lots of | :18:06. | :18:12. | |
other families in Hampshire where they had died, coroners had | :18:13. | :18:16. | |
criticised them, there had been inquest and they hadn't learned | :18:17. | :18:21. | |
lessons. Do you think if he had been treated somewhere else, David might | :18:22. | :18:29. | |
still be alive? Who knows. He always led a chaotic life. He took illegal | :18:30. | :18:34. | |
drugs and I have to accept that. I accept that he might not have made | :18:35. | :18:37. | |
old bones but I think there were ways he could have been treated. The | :18:38. | :18:43. | |
thing that I find difficult now is that I've just had a PHS O2 report, | :18:44. | :18:49. | |
which is the ombudsman who look at complaints, because I made a | :18:50. | :18:51. | |
complaint about Southern Health, and it's just been released this week | :18:52. | :18:56. | |
and they have upheld quite a lot of the complaints I made about Southern | :18:57. | :19:02. | |
Health. I think the other thing is, on top of this report, you have the | :19:03. | :19:08. | |
CQC reports that have been telling them for years they are not doing | :19:09. | :19:12. | |
things right and the other really important thing that isn't mentioned | :19:13. | :19:15. | |
at the moment is a chap by the name of Matt Holder who is a health and | :19:16. | :19:21. | |
safety expert. He was employed by the trust in 2012. He was there for | :19:22. | :19:25. | |
three months and he resigned because he said their health and safety | :19:26. | :19:30. | |
culture was dysfunctional. He set out in a long letter to them exactly | :19:31. | :19:35. | |
what they were doing wrong, what they were not addressing and these | :19:36. | :19:41. | |
were things like obligatory points. What has happened is they haven't | :19:42. | :19:44. | |
addressed these issues. That is reinforced by the Mars report. | :19:45. | :19:49. | |
Reinforced by the key CQC reports over a long period of time. Do you | :19:50. | :19:55. | |
have confidence now there are these reports that the spotlight is on and | :19:56. | :19:58. | |
things will change? The chairman of the trust have gone. I've got no | :19:59. | :20:03. | |
confidence at all. They haven't changed in four years. They've been | :20:04. | :20:06. | |
constantly told that things are wrong and they seem incapable of | :20:07. | :20:11. | |
being able to deal with them. With this report in January, it is the | :20:12. | :20:14. | |
same thing again. They are telling them the same things they have told | :20:15. | :20:17. | |
them for three years. It is dreadful. It is now a public safety | :20:18. | :20:23. | |
issue. I have got great admiration for Sarah Ryan, her family have been | :20:24. | :20:28. | |
fantastic in trying to keep going with this. Trying to raise the | :20:29. | :20:35. | |
profile and say there is a desperate problem. I have got no confidence | :20:36. | :20:42. | |
that they are capable of changing. When you've been through what you've | :20:43. | :20:46. | |
been through and then you have to fight after it, what does that do to | :20:47. | :20:52. | |
you? It doesn't make life very comfortable. I don't want to fight | :20:53. | :20:55. | |
all the time but I think the lessons haven't been learnt. There has been | :20:56. | :21:01. | |
a history with Southern Health that they have said to coroners, to the | :21:02. | :21:06. | |
press, to the families, we are learning lessons, and quite clearly | :21:07. | :21:09. | |
they are not. If you look at the ligature points, Ravenswood house to | :21:10. | :21:15. | |
take one example, it took over four years before they were able to | :21:16. | :21:20. | |
Philippe get all the ligature points sorted out -- fully get all the | :21:21. | :21:23. | |
ligature points sorted out. Why does it take four years when this is a | :21:24. | :21:28. | |
matter of safety? I don't understand it. They have spent huge amounts of | :21:29. | :21:35. | |
money own -- on a leadership programme and yet they have these | :21:36. | :21:37. | |
ligature points which are safety issues that they haven't addressed. | :21:38. | :21:41. | |
They have been told over and over again and the CQC have told them | :21:42. | :21:45. | |
time and time again and they still haven't done it. I haven't got the | :21:46. | :21:48. | |
answers and I wish somebody at the trust would explain, give us the | :21:49. | :21:53. | |
answers. They don't seem to want to answer the questions and they are | :21:54. | :21:54. | |
not listening. Thank you very much. We invited Southern Health | :21:55. | :21:59. | |
onto our programme to talk about today's report, | :22:00. | :22:01. | |
but they declined. They did give this interview to our | :22:02. | :22:03. | |
correspondent Michael Buchanan. We have a really difficult balance | :22:04. | :22:11. | |
to strike in terms of managing risk. I think all of the people in our | :22:12. | :22:15. | |
mental health services who access our services pose some kind of risk. | :22:16. | :22:23. | |
Looking at the care for those individuals, looking at their needs | :22:24. | :22:27. | |
and balancing that with the kind of restrictions that we place around a | :22:28. | :22:32. | |
service if they really challenging job. Sometimes we get it wrong. Most | :22:33. | :22:37. | |
of the time, I think we get it right. When we get it wrong, what we | :22:38. | :22:42. | |
need to do, what we do do, is sit back and reflect and really | :22:43. | :22:45. | |
understand what went wrong and make changes. | :22:46. | :22:47. | |
Dog owners are being warned about the outbreak of a potentially | :22:48. | :22:50. | |
There've been several cases in the UK. | :22:51. | :22:53. | |
We'll have an animal health expert on the show and do get | :22:54. | :22:55. | |
in touch with your concerns if you're a dog-owner. | :22:56. | :22:58. | |
Use the hashtag VictoriaLIVE and if you text, you will be charged | :22:59. | :23:01. | |
The new set of SATs tests for six and seven-year-olds | :23:02. | :23:09. | |
is being criticised by head teachers and parents alike | :23:10. | :23:12. | |
Head teachers are meeting today for their annual conference and will | :23:13. | :23:15. | |
argue that the government should stop enforcing these assessments. | :23:16. | :23:17. | |
And some parents are planning to protest against the tests | :23:18. | :23:20. | |
by taking their six and seven-year-olds out of school | :23:21. | :23:22. | |
We can speak now to Laura Evans Vogel who's got two children | :23:23. | :25:02. | |
at primary school and is a teacher herself; Mark Tuffney, | :25:03. | :25:05. | |
who's Head Teacher at Lowther Primary School in London, | :25:06. | :25:07. | |
Helena Rooney an Assistant Head at Little Ealing Primary. | :25:08. | :25:09. | |
Jenny Veitch, whose son Harry is at primary school and we also | :25:10. | :25:12. | |
have Jonathan Simons, a former government adviser on education. | :25:13. | :25:18. | |
Thank you all very much for joining us. Laura, you are a parent and a | :25:19. | :25:24. | |
teacher. What do you think about these stats? They are very, very | :25:25. | :25:32. | |
concerning. Conversations that I have about these with parents across | :25:33. | :25:40. | |
London and the country, we are seeing the effects on our children. | :25:41. | :25:48. | |
Lots of anxiety, lots of fear, not looking forward to going to school. | :25:49. | :25:54. | |
Lots of apprehension. How much are you seeing that? Are you seeing it | :25:55. | :25:59. | |
in your own child? At the current moment, my own child's school is not | :26:00. | :26:04. | |
putting of pressure on the SATS, but two years ago, my son was in a | :26:05. | :26:13. | |
situation, in a curriculum setting that was very arduous, very skills | :26:14. | :26:17. | |
-based, and while lots of kids did really well, I saw my own son suffer | :26:18. | :26:24. | |
from this. He became very anxious and would repeatedly ask for | :26:25. | :26:26. | |
confirmation that he wasn't doing anything wrong. That is very | :26:27. | :26:31. | |
concerning behaviour at home. And you were sure this was just from | :26:32. | :26:36. | |
academic pressure? When he was three the situation, we got our little boy | :26:37. | :26:42. | |
back and he is now in a normal school with a normal broad | :26:43. | :26:45. | |
curriculum doing the normal things that the national curriculum serves, | :26:46. | :26:51. | |
art, enjoyable things. When it was narrow, he did not do well in this. | :26:52. | :26:55. | |
Based on this experience, speaking with other campaigners and teachers, | :26:56. | :26:59. | |
they are seeing this particularly this year on this set of SATS. Let's | :27:00. | :27:06. | |
bring in Jenny, because you've got two sons, your youngest is seven, | :27:07. | :27:09. | |
and you are taking him out of school next week as part of the campaign. | :27:10. | :27:15. | |
Why are you doing that? I joined the let our kids be kids campaign after | :27:16. | :27:21. | |
meeting with a teacher at school, in fact, who brought all the parents in | :27:22. | :27:24. | |
to show them what the key state once that was going to look like this | :27:25. | :27:28. | |
year. This has never been done before my 14-year-old son did his | :27:29. | :27:35. | |
key stage one SATS seven years ago and he didn't even know he was doing | :27:36. | :27:39. | |
a test. I didn't know he was doing a test. He was seven. We were taken | :27:40. | :27:45. | |
into a room and were told that our children, despite the wonderful | :27:46. | :27:47. | |
environment they were taught in, they would not achieve the | :27:48. | :27:52. | |
age-related expectations this year. I am not bothered about the results. | :27:53. | :27:56. | |
We don't care whether our children pass a test at six or seven. It has | :27:57. | :28:01. | |
no bearing on what they go on to do in later life. What we do care about | :28:02. | :28:05. | |
is this very narrow curriculum which the government has imposed on our | :28:06. | :28:09. | |
teachers for very young children whose minds are not developed enough | :28:10. | :28:13. | |
for the curriculum. Please explain for parents or anyone without | :28:14. | :28:17. | |
children of that hate what the difference would be. Is there no | :28:18. | :28:21. | |
room for anything other than academia for six and seven-year-olds | :28:22. | :28:28. | |
now? I am saying that our teachers are wonderfully creative and we | :28:29. | :28:31. | |
support our teachers but our teachers build the bridge to put six | :28:32. | :28:34. | |
and seven-year-olds through a key stage one SATS test that two years | :28:35. | :28:41. | |
ago is actually the level for a year for child. A child two years older. | :28:42. | :28:48. | |
The government have brought in this very rigorous, narrow curriculum and | :28:49. | :28:53. | |
they think by making tests harder, we will make our teachers -- our | :28:54. | :28:56. | |
children writer. That is not the case. I just want to bring in Mark, | :28:57. | :29:04. | |
the headteacher of a primary. Do you think expectations have stepped up | :29:05. | :29:10. | |
that much? Most certainly. The new curriculum is definitely challenging | :29:11. | :29:12. | |
and it is concerning around the level that children are expected to | :29:13. | :29:19. | |
reach at primary. For me, assessment has changed this year anyway. The | :29:20. | :29:23. | |
abolition of levels. For me, the plans that have been made haven't | :29:24. | :29:26. | |
really been thought through in enough detail. What teacher doesn't | :29:27. | :29:33. | |
want children to be enjoying their learning, to be having fun, to be | :29:34. | :29:37. | |
expressive, to use their imagination and creativity? There with a lot of | :29:38. | :29:42. | |
pressure now on teachers. SATS have been there for a long time but we | :29:43. | :29:46. | |
were told as a school we would have more autonomy on what we deliver | :29:47. | :29:49. | |
this year and if you ask teachers and other headteachers, they would | :29:50. | :29:53. | |
say we have less autonomy. Let's bring in Jonathan. But your | :29:54. | :29:57. | |
perspective on this? The claim is kids are being asked to do things at | :29:58. | :30:01. | |
six and seven that are beyond their capabilities. There are a couple of | :30:02. | :30:07. | |
things worth saying here and the best is, I am a parent. I have two | :30:08. | :30:10. | |
young children and I have lots of friends with primary children as | :30:11. | :30:14. | |
well. The one thing we all have in common is that we want our kids to | :30:15. | :30:18. | |
be happy and excited at school but we also want to know if they are | :30:19. | :30:22. | |
learning and achieving what they can to be successful in life. The key | :30:23. | :30:26. | |
stage one SATS, as the headteacher said, have been more -- made more | :30:27. | :30:31. | |
stretching this year. The government is expecting more of those children. | :30:32. | :30:35. | |
I don't have an issue with big and wanting my children when they said a | :30:36. | :30:39. | |
test to do as well as Tilden of the same age around the world. That | :30:40. | :30:42. | |
doesn't seem to need to be an unreasonable thing to want to do. | :30:43. | :30:46. | |
When you hear about parents being stressed out, what do you think | :30:47. | :30:54. | |
about it? Inevitably, there is going to be some pressure around the test. | :30:55. | :30:59. | |
But ultimately, it is the response ability of parents and headteachers | :31:00. | :31:03. | |
to work together to make the environment as supportive as | :31:04. | :31:05. | |
possible for the children. There is no reason at all what the children | :31:06. | :31:15. | |
cannot be supported tested in a supportive atmosphere. Any school | :31:16. | :31:28. | |
that is reducing a child to tears, that is appalling. I would like to | :31:29. | :31:33. | |
pick up a couple of points there. The content of the test is not age | :31:34. | :31:38. | |
and stage appropriate. We are putting too much into it. Give us | :31:39. | :31:45. | |
some examples. In year six and seven, I went on a standardisation | :31:46. | :31:49. | |
meeting to make sure that standards are crossed year to across all of | :31:50. | :31:55. | |
Ealing Borough were the same, and we were supposed to look at the | :31:56. | :31:59. | |
children's work and moderate it. Most of that was talking about | :32:00. | :32:10. | |
putting extra oratory sentences into their children's work, what is an | :32:11. | :32:18. | |
exclamation sentence? Surely children put exclamation in. So | :32:19. | :32:29. | |
children are now saying, the children in my class are writing | :32:30. | :32:34. | |
those kinds of sentences. Do you think that is too much for six or | :32:35. | :32:40. | |
seven-year-old? I think it is a perfectly acceptable... It is a tick | :32:41. | :32:50. | |
box. If the kids can do it... I am all for raising levels and the rest | :32:51. | :32:56. | |
of it, but that is just one out of a number of objectives. If you are | :32:57. | :33:01. | |
looking at year six, four children to pass their writing level, they | :33:02. | :33:07. | |
are at something like 1500 judgments that the teacher has to make of that | :33:08. | :33:11. | |
class. They have to make sure that they are secure in all areas of that | :33:12. | :33:16. | |
curriculum, and in previous curricula. If they don't, they can | :33:17. | :33:22. | |
slip back. We can have a very good writer who is Dick -- dyslexic, but | :33:23. | :33:28. | |
they will not pass the state to -- the year six writing test. I still | :33:29. | :33:35. | |
test you six once a week, and I want children to be able to express | :33:36. | :33:38. | |
themselves and to be able to write creatively with imagination. At the | :33:39. | :33:43. | |
moment, the way that the interim framework is setup, children have to | :33:44. | :33:47. | |
achieve every single criteria to get an page level. You say that is | :33:48. | :33:57. | |
stifling creativity? I think another missed opportunity is teacher | :33:58. | :34:04. | |
expressed -- -- it is not about a teacher's Best fit. You have to do X | :34:05. | :34:10. | |
and Y to be at an expected level. They come outside of -- the parents | :34:11. | :34:13. | |
need to work best. How much responsibility do parents | :34:14. | :34:23. | |
had to take for not getting the kids too worked up about this stuff? We | :34:24. | :34:28. | |
definitely have a role to play in that and the schools do, too. Can I | :34:29. | :34:33. | |
just say one more thing to illustrate? The six of us were given | :34:34. | :34:43. | |
an assessment. Everyone write a brilliant piece of writing. We would | :34:44. | :34:47. | |
sit and come up with something clever. The disgruntled middle-aged | :34:48. | :34:57. | |
classroom teacher! But let's say that we wanted to be grammatically | :34:58. | :35:02. | |
correct and spelt correctly and to have these particular punctuation | :35:03. | :35:05. | |
marks are put in it. What we would find is that everyone of us would | :35:06. | :35:09. | |
write a very different piece of writing, it will be less engaging | :35:10. | :35:13. | |
and less interesting. And less fit for purpose. We want to teach kids | :35:14. | :35:19. | |
to write coming really interesting. You are shaking your head. If you | :35:20. | :35:25. | |
went into Waterstones or any book, and picked up any spelling but that | :35:26. | :35:30. | |
bestselling book, particular world of anti-ageing, one thing is they | :35:31. | :35:36. | |
are completely correct elite punctuated. There is no distinction. | :35:37. | :35:46. | |
The introduction to the grammar tests, is needed. It is well | :35:47. | :35:52. | |
received by schools. What we are missing is that some of the content | :35:53. | :35:56. | |
is not actually relevant, and do we need children to know all of the | :35:57. | :36:04. | |
grammatical terminology? Yes, we do. Which bits of English grammar do we | :36:05. | :36:09. | |
consider children do not have a right to know? We are talking about | :36:10. | :36:18. | |
the actual language. Yes! You are all talking over each other. We are | :36:19. | :36:29. | |
talking here about key stage one sacks. Six and seven-year-olds. | :36:30. | :36:37. | |
Their brains are not equipped to do this level of learning. We are not | :36:38. | :36:46. | |
going to make our kids brighter by getting them to learn things early. | :36:47. | :36:51. | |
A child's brain needs to relax. They can handle a Mac progeny -- problem | :36:52. | :36:58. | |
for ten minutes. The figure at play, they can come back and do that | :36:59. | :37:03. | |
problem. This is about a curriculum that is age inappropriate. The saps | :37:04. | :37:07. | |
are inappropriate. We are not against rating standards. We are not | :37:08. | :37:13. | |
against the government wanting our children to be fantastic in life. We | :37:14. | :37:18. | |
are not against that. What we are against is this exam factory that | :37:19. | :37:21. | |
the government are imposing on our schools. If I can add to that, we | :37:22. | :37:28. | |
need to recognise that progress in children is not linear. Children | :37:29. | :37:32. | |
regress at different rates. Some children will be ready for those | :37:33. | :37:35. | |
assessments, and that is absolutely right, but many children are not, | :37:36. | :37:39. | |
and if you think about your own development, if we do not -- we do | :37:40. | :37:44. | |
not draw a graft of our development. We progress at different rates. I | :37:45. | :37:48. | |
want the flexibility in school to do that. We are at the start of a | :37:49. | :37:56. | |
process. What impact will this have on kids? The teaches art shouldering | :37:57. | :38:05. | |
a lot of the burden. We cannot say that there are thresholds. What is a | :38:06. | :38:12. | |
passport going to look like? The agencies do not know what that is | :38:13. | :38:16. | |
going to look like, so we will have to wait and see what the thresholds | :38:17. | :38:22. | |
are, and will be feeling is that we want the children to do the best | :38:23. | :38:30. | |
they can, and get everything the best they possibly can. We can make | :38:31. | :38:35. | |
it fun and creative, but they will feel the tension within the schools. | :38:36. | :38:39. | |
Thank you very much for a lively debate. | :38:40. | :38:42. | |
The UKIP leader Nigel Farage is making a speech in | :38:43. | :38:44. | |
Westminster about security - arguing that the UK would be | :38:45. | :38:47. | |
Americans don't use the word queue, they sate line, with just about | :38:48. | :38:58. | |
proves to me the point that he was saying what Cameron had asked in to | :38:59. | :39:04. | |
do. But as a result of this promotes list torrent, the league campaign, | :39:05. | :39:08. | |
the official league campaign has effectively spent the last fortnight | :39:09. | :39:14. | |
defending its own goal, doing their best to stop the other side, | :39:15. | :39:20. | |
decrying all that has been set as nonsense but not being as assertive | :39:21. | :39:25. | |
as they should be. I am very pleased that in the last few days, Professor | :39:26. | :39:31. | |
Patrick Minford and others have stood up and said not only is what | :39:32. | :39:38. | |
the Romanian two are saying rubbish, and did you get that? No, it's all | :39:39. | :39:44. | |
right. But the trade deal is a rotten deal. For tariff free access | :39:45. | :39:51. | |
to the single market, we have to wait the free movement of people. | :39:52. | :40:01. | |
And for the fact that only 12% of the British economy is engaged in | :40:02. | :40:07. | |
exports to the European Union. 100% of our businesses have to accept EU | :40:08. | :40:13. | |
regulation and law. And outside of this single market, we will be | :40:14. | :40:17. | |
better off. Food will be cheaper, cars will be cheaper, and even the | :40:18. | :40:23. | |
worst case scenario, which is that there is no deal, there is no | :40:24. | :40:27. | |
successful conclusion of talks at the end of two years, even the worst | :40:28. | :40:33. | |
case scenario under WTO rules, the total amount of tariffs only amount | :40:34. | :40:38. | |
to two thirds of our net contribution to this club. So we | :40:39. | :40:43. | |
need to be much more assertive in making the economic point that | :40:44. | :40:47. | |
Britain will be better off outside of the European Union whatever those | :40:48. | :40:51. | |
negotiations lead to. But all of that is being in our half of the | :40:52. | :40:59. | |
pitch. And as a family, with a long standing record, generations of | :41:00. | :41:05. | |
supporting Crystal Palace, who are now in the FA Cup final, I am | :41:06. | :41:16. | |
pleased to say. I am in London! I thought I would get more support for | :41:17. | :41:22. | |
that. I have urged Vote Leave, the official designated campaign. We | :41:23. | :41:36. | |
need to tackle the enemy's goal. It is about open-door migration, the | :41:37. | :41:40. | |
vet that it is had on the lives of ordinary Britain over the last | :41:41. | :41:43. | |
decade, and the threat that it poses, given the new terror and | :41:44. | :41:47. | |
security threats that we face in the West. I am sorry to say that they do | :41:48. | :41:52. | |
not appear to have done it. I don't think they have within them to make | :41:53. | :41:57. | |
there is credible oddments. If you have been part of the Cabinet that | :41:58. | :42:03. | |
is overseeing net migration, and that is if you believe the official | :42:04. | :42:07. | |
figures, which seemed to be corrected by the week, but if you | :42:08. | :42:10. | |
are part of the Cabinet that has seen net migration running at record | :42:11. | :42:16. | |
levels, and running at ten times the post-war Amory -- average, you are | :42:17. | :42:20. | |
not best placed to make that judgment. I tried hard over the | :42:21. | :42:25. | |
course of the weekend to say, look, we must let bygones be bygones. | :42:26. | :42:29. | |
Whatever has been said in the past is 11 -- irrelevant, we need to be | :42:30. | :42:33. | |
together. And I would love myself and Ukip to work with you on this | :42:34. | :42:38. | |
campaign, because actually, we, we are the form horses when it comes to | :42:39. | :42:43. | |
eat immigration, the impact that it has had on people in this country, | :42:44. | :42:47. | |
and I am sorry to say that every time that I attempt to try and work | :42:48. | :42:51. | |
with them, I am rebuffed and rejected. If they don't want us to | :42:52. | :42:57. | |
be part of their campaign, we will make our arguments ourselves, and we | :42:58. | :43:03. | |
will between now and June 23 make one very simple point. When Theresa | :43:04. | :43:09. | |
May says that it is difficult to control immigration as a member of | :43:10. | :43:14. | |
the European Union she is wrong. It is not difficult. It is impossible. | :43:15. | :43:20. | |
APPLAUSE And the reason is all too clear. | :43:21. | :43:32. | |
This is a British passport. And one of the first -- the first two words | :43:33. | :43:41. | |
on it are European Union. Since Maastricht, we have been citizens of | :43:42. | :43:46. | |
the European Union. This passport is available to 508 million people. And | :43:47. | :43:53. | |
yes, we are able, not being able to -- being part of Schengen, to get | :43:54. | :44:00. | |
them to show their passports at Dover. But we cannot stop people | :44:01. | :44:07. | |
settling in this country and... We warned in 2004 that letting in the | :44:08. | :44:12. | |
former communist countries wouldn't lead not just at total lot is -- | :44:13. | :44:17. | |
loss of control, but an unprecedented flow into Britain, and | :44:18. | :44:24. | |
we have been proved right. And yet the Westminster set still have not | :44:25. | :44:28. | |
really clocked it. I guess it is because so many of them come from | :44:29. | :44:33. | |
such privileged and wealthy backgrounds, and so rarely ever | :44:34. | :44:45. | |
stray outside the M25. Many of them think that open-door mass | :44:46. | :44:53. | |
immigration is terrific! And in some ways, for them, it is. Because it is | :44:54. | :44:58. | |
cheaper nannies, and it is cheaper chauffeurs, and it is cheaper | :44:59. | :45:03. | |
Gardners, and if you own a big business in agriculture or | :45:04. | :45:07. | |
Manufacturing building, it gives you access to unlimited amounts of cheap | :45:08. | :45:14. | |
labour. But the impact of this has been felt by ordinary decent people | :45:15. | :45:21. | |
in this country. Just think about housing. Here we are in London with | :45:22. | :45:28. | |
a massive housing crisis. And we learn, of course, that the green | :45:29. | :45:32. | |
belt, the green belt that many of us love so much around London, is | :45:33. | :45:36. | |
directly under threat. Is it any wonder, given current levels of | :45:37. | :45:39. | |
immigration into Britain that we have to build a new house every | :45:40. | :45:45. | |
seven minutes just to cope with the current flow of people? And what | :45:46. | :45:51. | |
about primary school places? With an explosion in the birth rate from | :45:52. | :45:54. | |
newly arrived people, we estimate that we are going to have defined | :45:55. | :46:03. | |
another 200,000 school places into 2020. But I say estimate, because | :46:04. | :46:08. | |
the point is that good government is about planning forward. But how can | :46:09. | :46:13. | |
you plan forward for public service provision when you only have | :46:14. | :46:17. | |
open-door immigration and you have no idea in five years' time with the | :46:18. | :46:22. | |
nearest 2 million hammy people will actually be living in the country? | :46:23. | :46:30. | |
You can't. As far as the NHS is concerned, I did try last year in | :46:31. | :46:35. | |
the general election to raise the issue of health tourism, but a | :46:36. | :46:39. | |
simple fact is that last year the British government paid out ?6.2 | :46:40. | :46:43. | |
billion Sterling two European hospitals that treated British | :46:44. | :46:48. | |
patients. Despite the fact that there are many more EU nationals | :46:49. | :46:54. | |
living in Britain than there are British nationals living in the EU, | :46:55. | :46:59. | |
for the sixth 2.2 billion we sent in that direction, how much came back? | :47:00. | :47:08. | |
405 million. -- 6.2 billion. Whichever way you cut this, you are | :47:09. | :47:12. | |
getting a rotten deal in terms of the health service. I know the | :47:13. | :47:15. | |
Chancellor will tell you that our GDP is going up but if you're | :47:16. | :47:22. | |
population increases by 500 thousand a year, that's not particularly | :47:23. | :47:27. | |
surprising, is it? The question is, is GDP per capita going up and it is | :47:28. | :47:32. | |
not. The bank of England are clear that what ordinary working people on | :47:33. | :47:39. | |
average salaries, their real wages, there is real living standards have | :47:40. | :47:43. | |
declined by 10% since 2008 and perhaps that's why there are so many | :47:44. | :47:48. | |
people out there, hard-working Britons out there that have switched | :47:49. | :47:51. | |
their allegiance to us because they are the ones who pay the price for | :47:52. | :47:58. | |
irresponsible open door migration. There are other things we cannot put | :47:59. | :48:04. | |
a cost on. Social cohesion. A sense in our cities and market towns that | :48:05. | :48:08. | |
we are one community living together. That, of course, has | :48:09. | :48:13. | |
become increasingly divided, fragmented, segmented within our | :48:14. | :48:16. | |
towns and cities because the shore pace of people coming has been too | :48:17. | :48:23. | |
great to integrate. There are also indications for crime. The fact that | :48:24. | :48:28. | |
41% of registered crime in London is now committed by foreign nationals | :48:29. | :48:32. | |
is, I would suggest, a source of concern and says to me that post | :48:33. | :48:38. | |
Brexit what we need to do is put in place an immigration and work permit | :48:39. | :48:45. | |
scheme along the lines of countries like Australia put into place. We | :48:46. | :48:49. | |
want good people to come to our country. We don't want to | :48:50. | :48:53. | |
discriminate against them because they are from India or New Zealand | :48:54. | :48:57. | |
in favour of bog area and Romania. We should be open to the world and | :48:58. | :49:01. | |
want people in sensible numbers with skills, with trades, who haven't got | :49:02. | :49:07. | |
criminal records and are prepared to pay their own medical insurance for | :49:08. | :49:10. | |
at least five years. That is the future, I believe. Nigel Farage on | :49:11. | :49:16. | |
why he thinks the UK should exit the you when we vote in the referendum | :49:17. | :49:22. | |
on the 23rd of June. Let's bring you a flavour of your comments on SATS | :49:23. | :49:29. | |
testing. Maria has tweeted, bring back teacher led assessments instead | :49:30. | :49:34. | |
of SATS. Neither teachers and pupils need this pressure. Someone else | :49:35. | :49:43. | |
tweeted, SATS unnecessary, get over it. -- are necessary. Surely you can | :49:44. | :49:53. | |
tell if a child is below standard from their schoolwork? My kids | :49:54. | :49:59. | |
headteacher said you would be reporting if I went ahead with the | :50:00. | :50:03. | |
strike. Karen e-mailed saying, how do the teachers know this is a test? | :50:04. | :50:09. | |
Teachers should make it fun and just another day at school. They are | :50:10. | :50:12. | |
stressing and passing it on to the children. Thanks for your comments. | :50:13. | :50:21. | |
Please keep them coming in. Also coming up, dog owners are being | :50:22. | :50:28. | |
warned to check their dogs for signs of three potentially dangerous | :50:29. | :50:29. | |
illnesses. British cycling has been hit by one | :50:30. | :50:33. | |
controversy after another Now a rising star of road racing | :50:34. | :50:35. | |
and an Olympic hopeful, Simon Yates has failed | :50:36. | :50:39. | |
a competition drugs test. The 23-year-old cyclist tested | :50:40. | :50:41. | |
positive for a banned substance but his team says it was just | :50:42. | :50:43. | |
an administrative error The latest blow to British cycling's | :50:44. | :50:46. | |
image led to a tweet from six Earlier this week technical director | :50:47. | :50:55. | |
Shane Sutton resigned from his position over allegations | :50:56. | :50:57. | |
of sexism and discrimination. Let's speak to the former | :50:58. | :51:00. | |
World Champion cyclist and the former president | :51:01. | :51:02. | |
of British Cycling, Tony Doyle. Good morning. Thanks for joining us. | :51:03. | :51:08. | |
Please tell us your thoughts on Simon Yates. He is a rising star and | :51:09. | :51:14. | |
possible Olympic contender. Most definitely. He is a rider with a | :51:15. | :51:20. | |
huge amount of potential. His twin brother, Adam Yates, they are both | :51:21. | :51:23. | |
fantastic riders with real potential, not just for Rio but for | :51:24. | :51:29. | |
way beyond. They are only 23. He has been very unfortunate that he has | :51:30. | :51:33. | |
fallen foul of an administrative error that shouldn't have happened. | :51:34. | :51:38. | |
He was taking an inhaler for a problem with asthma and the rules in | :51:39. | :51:43. | |
cycling are so stringent that you can't fall fowl in any way | :51:44. | :51:46. | |
whatsoever, so his team should have notified the world governing body in | :51:47. | :51:50. | |
advance. The team doctor has admitted it was a mistake and he has | :51:51. | :51:55. | |
totally put his hand up and said, it shouldn't have happened and he was | :51:56. | :52:01. | |
out of order. It is tragic for Simon and obviously a big blow to British | :52:02. | :52:05. | |
cycling but hopefully they will be able to overcome this setback and | :52:06. | :52:11. | |
realise that it wasn't a question of trying to cheat, it was just purely | :52:12. | :52:16. | |
medicine for asthma and it was a technical error that the governing | :52:17. | :52:22. | |
body wasn't notified. So the team have put out a statement saying they | :52:23. | :52:26. | |
take full responsibility and wish to underline their support for Simon | :52:27. | :52:30. | |
during this process. Should it be quite easy to clear up? It's never | :52:31. | :52:38. | |
easy because obviously the rules are very strict. Cycling is the | :52:39. | :52:41. | |
strictest sport. We have more control than any other sport. If you | :52:42. | :52:46. | |
are guilty, you are named and shamed. Hopefully some common sense | :52:47. | :52:51. | |
will prevail. In sport now, the regulations are so strict. Cobb | :52:52. | :52:57. | |
medicines, eye drops, inhalers for asthma which the average person on | :52:58. | :53:01. | |
the street can take, we can't take without permission. What are your | :53:02. | :53:06. | |
thoughts on Shane Sutton going? What impact will that have? It has been a | :53:07. | :53:12. | |
difficult time. It has been a very difficult time. The past couple of | :53:13. | :53:15. | |
weeks for British cycling have been many mental. Shane is a fantastic | :53:16. | :53:20. | |
motivator and an inspiration for British cycling. Since he has been | :53:21. | :53:25. | |
involved with the British cycling Federation, as a nation at world and | :53:26. | :53:29. | |
Olympic level, we have gone from strength to strength. The fact that | :53:30. | :53:33. | |
he will not be at Rio with our team and will walk away from British | :53:34. | :53:37. | |
cycling, that is a huge loss. It is similar to the last that Manchester | :53:38. | :53:43. | |
United has that with the loss of Alex Ferguson. Shane and sialic are | :53:44. | :53:48. | |
irreplaceable. Thank you very much for joining us. Let's just bring you | :53:49. | :53:52. | |
some breaking news from the Old Bailey. We are just hearing that | :53:53. | :53:56. | |
Arthur Simson Kent has admitting -- admitted to the killing of his | :53:57. | :54:01. | |
girlfriend, the former East Enders actress, and their two young | :54:02. | :54:05. | |
children. His barrister has told the Old Bailey that. He said this could | :54:06. | :54:12. | |
be reported because the jury would be told, though he asked that his | :54:13. | :54:18. | |
client was not made to make a plea until a later date. He was due to | :54:19. | :54:25. | |
face a court hearing in October but he has admitted to killing Sian | :54:26. | :54:29. | |
Blake and their two young children. Dog owners are being warned | :54:30. | :54:37. | |
about taking their pets on holiday. It's over fears about the spread | :54:38. | :54:43. | |
of three deadly diseases Popular holiday areas have been | :54:44. | :54:55. | |
identified, with Devon being one of them, as carrying these diseases | :54:56. | :55:01. | |
that can kill dogs. How widespread are these diseases and what are | :55:02. | :55:07. | |
they? There are two of significance. Lyme Disease has been with us for | :55:08. | :55:13. | |
decades but it is on the rise. We are seeing increased cases | :55:14. | :55:15. | |
year-on-year. It goes where ever takes out any country. Ticks love | :55:16. | :55:22. | |
woodland, countryside, tall grass and bracken. Just the sort of places | :55:23. | :55:27. | |
that we love to holiday Inn. Some of the most beautiful places in the | :55:28. | :55:32. | |
country. As you have said, Devon, the new Forest, the Quantock Hills, | :55:33. | :55:38. | |
the Highlands, Lake District, all very popular places but also full of | :55:39. | :55:43. | |
ticks and Lyme Disease. Is it easy to see if a dog has a take on it? | :55:44. | :55:49. | |
The thing is that you need to look and Lyme Disease takes 24 hours to | :55:50. | :55:53. | |
be transmitted. If you look over your dog, they love where the blood | :55:54. | :55:57. | |
is close to the surface, so I live, the tips of the eaves and where the | :55:58. | :56:04. | |
body touches the grass. They look alike this, they are very pretty, as | :56:05. | :56:14. | |
you can tell, and when they fill up, they are about the size of a small | :56:15. | :56:21. | |
p. If you get a take book, you can get these from Pet Shop Boys and | :56:22. | :56:28. | |
that's -- you can get these from shops and that's and using a folk | :56:29. | :56:36. | |
like this, you can take the kick out and that will help prevent | :56:37. | :56:42. | |
transmission of the disease. Our dog owners aware enough? Are many dogs | :56:43. | :56:53. | |
falling ill and dying because of tick bites? There has just been an | :56:54. | :57:02. | |
outbreak of an illness could Babesiosis in Essex. It hit the | :57:03. | :57:06. | |
national news and caused quite a stir. It causes any near in dogs and | :57:07. | :57:12. | |
can be fatal. Something that owners and vets need to keep an eye out | :57:13. | :57:17. | |
for. Lyme Disease is much more widespread around the country. It is | :57:18. | :57:21. | |
relatively uncommon but we are seeing it in people as well where | :57:22. | :57:25. | |
ticks attach. People need to check themselves at least 24 hours if they | :57:26. | :57:30. | |
have been skipping through the Bracken or cycling in the | :57:31. | :57:33. | |
countryside, running, just to check themselves as well. What is the best | :57:34. | :57:40. | |
way to protect yourself? You can get a tick colour, can't you? There are | :57:41. | :57:45. | |
different kinds. It needs to be something that rapidly killed or | :57:46. | :57:55. | |
repels the tick, so your pet will be able to find something that suits | :57:56. | :57:59. | |
you and will stop the tick from attaching to your dog. Thank you | :58:00. | :58:05. | |
very much. Very good advice for dog owners are ahead of the bank | :58:06. | :58:09. | |
holiday. A couple of your weekend -- your e-mails - the pressure on | :58:10. | :58:16. | |
children for SATS is making the glass and stressful for all. SAC has | :58:17. | :58:21. | |
e-mailed to say that he learned excellent grammar in school in the | :58:22. | :58:26. | |
60s. Why is it so difficult these days? We will be back on Tuesday. | :58:27. | :58:30. | |
Enjoy the bank holiday weekend. The bank holiday weekend is just | :58:31. | :58:45. | |
around the corner. Let's look at the summary. It will be more mild than | :58:46. | :58:49. | |
we have | :58:50. | :58:50. |