28/04/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

Police Officers who worked for South Yorkshire Police are told

they "did a good job" in the 1980s, despite the damning criticism

of them in the Hillsborough inquests.

Thousands attended a vigil in Liverpool last night as pressure

mounts for a fundamental shake-up of the South Yorkshire force.

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a good job" in the 1980s, despite the damning criticism of

The officers have been praised as dedicated,

Those remarks are from a group supporting retired

officers, and they've accidentally been made public.

The Chief Constable was suspended yesterday because of the approach

Tens of thousands filled the centre of Liverpool to remember the 96,

joining together in the anthem they sing in their honour.

Then the news filtered through that the Chief Constable

of South Yorkshire Police, David Crompton, had been suspended.

Let's hope that's only the beginning of what is going to be

done, because all of you alongside all of us have had 27 years

Let's hope they're getting theirs now.

Throughout the two-year inquest, lawyers for South Yorkshire police

repeatedly suggested the Liverpool fans were partly

David Crompton was suspended by the Police and Crime Commissioner

of the force, who said there had been an erosion of trust.

The Chief Constable is the public face of South Yorkshire Police

Therefore, if there is a draining away of confidence in the chief

Two criminal investigations into South Yorkshire Police have

One into manslaughter and another possible offences on that day

at Hillsborough, the 15th of April 1989.

The other is examining allegations of a police cover-up afterwards.

It's taken 27 years for the families to hear their loved ones

were unlawfully killed, and they won't stop their fight

until they feel those responsible have been brought to justice.

Our correspondent Dan Johnson is outside the South Yorkshire Police

Fresh controversy this morning over comments made by a retired member

This force just cannot escape the scandals and failures of its past.

That is completely overshadowing the current day force, and it has cost

the job of the Chief Constable at least, who was suspended from duty

yesterday. It is the Deputy Chief Constable who will be leading this

force when she arrives for work this morning, and the force has to

somehow try to rebuild and move on from everything that has gone on,

because there are still officers out on the streets who have to do the

job will protect people in South Yorkshire. No doubt their morale has

suffered across the force has taken such a battering. It is the response

of some of these historical failings that is still having such an impact,

and this fresh controversy linking to comments that were posted by

mistake on the website of the South Yorkshire retired police officers

Association. There was a press statement posted there yesterday, a

public statement which sent out condolences to the Hillsborough

families in the aftermath of the inquest conclusions, and said that

the association stood by those verdicts. But below that, there was

another posting which was entitled, it was a bad day, and it appears

this was only supposed to be circulated between retired police

officers. In that posting, the secretary of the Association, wrote,

we tried to remain dignified amongst all the bile and hatred directed

towards South Yorkshire Police and those of us who served in the 80s.

After all that transpired yesterday, I worked in a great police force, it

is my belief, with fantastic people who did extraordinary things. He

goes on to say he is extremely proud to be an ex-South Yorkshire cop, and

will hold his head up high. He goes through the challenges that the

force faces, the steel strike, the miners dispute, Hillsborough, and he

says yes, mistakes were made, and we would all like to turn the clock

back, but he said beyond those headlines, the people of South

Yorkshire would served by dedicated police officers. He says you will be

feeling angry and disheartened, but we did a good job, we all did. These

comments have caused some hurt amongst Hillsborough families. Last

night, we got reaction from Barry Devonside, whose son Christopher

died in the disaster. There were 200 officers walking around, aimlessly,

no direction, no leadership. And when people were trying to climb out

of pens three and pen four, police officers were pushing them back in,

so I don't accept that. The officer who made that posting has now taken

the comments down and says they were never intended for public

consumption and he never meant to cause offence, it is another example

of how this force is struggling to move on from its past. There are

even questions about whether the force should continue to exist in

the future. Dan, thank you very much indeed.

Well, more on that in a few minutes, but first here's Annita

in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of the rest of the days news.

The Labour Party has a serious problem with anti-Semitism,

according to one of its most high profile peers.

following the suspension of the Labour MP, Naz Shah,

for comments she made about Israel before she entered Parliament.

She has apologised, but the peer said people were increasingly

using attacks on Israel as a way of showing their hatred

I think it just shows such ignorance, and the tweets and

comments she made on Hitler, I just begin to almost scratch my head in

despair as to how people like this can enter our Parliament. Lord

Leavy. A group of economists will say today

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nearly all the concerns Here's our health correspondent,

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and it says they will become safer We have so far seen a very positive

development and in particular have helped many thousands

of smokers to quit smoking. So this is an opportunity

that we should be seizing for public health and managing,

rather than trying to snuff out. Welcoming the report,

the Department of Health in England said there were now more

than a million people who have completely replaced

smoking with e-cigarettes. But some public health experts

remain cautious and say more research is needed

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to their mental health. The education select committee found

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That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30.

Back to you, Norman. Annita, thank you so much.

Should the Labour Party Stamp Act anti-Semitism? Some feel that it

should. Do get in touch with the usual methods.

Sport now, and more crisis in British Cycling this morning.

Good morning. The crisis at British Cycling has

deepened since we covered The suspended technical director

Shane Sutton has now resigned, he says to take any distraction away

from the team as they prepare UK Sport has also asked

the organisation to investigate whether official TeamGB kit,

paid for by National Lottery funds - including a high-performance bike -

is being sold online for profit. Well, Sutton has been accused

of making sexist comments and also being highly offensive

in the terms he used to describe He denies the specific claims

against him and says he will co-operate with an independent

review to examine the culture It is really, really important that

we have this independent review so that anybody who has had those

experiences, they get a chance to talk to an independent panel, and we

can fully investigate that. It is not many people's experience of

British Cycling, but it should be investigated independently? Is it

your experience? Not at all. So are you surprised? I am, but that is why

we need an independent panel to investigate this, we need to look at

these allegations. Ian Drake talking to our

sports editor Dan Roan. You know we had Vladimir Klitchsko

doing the rounds here yesterday, thankfully we didn't have Tyson Fury

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in any kind of shape although he did I am naturally fit. I could do 12

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train, it is the natural energy you have got. I could do ten rounds

right now. I ran six miles yesterday afternoon, and then I did one hour

on the cross trainer and one hour on a bike, so I can't be that unfit,

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We had a goal in the second of the Champions League semifinals

Atletico Madrid have a 1-0 lead against

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The other semifinal will be between Marco Fu and world number

Fu was 9-1 up against Barry Hawkins but held on to win 13-11 as well.

Both semifinals will be on BBC Two and across the BBC,

the first of them starts at one this afternoon

That's all your sport for now, I'll be back

The inquest sat for over two years and whilst the families of the 96

Hillsborough victims celebrated the conclusions, the focus is now

Despite the damning criticism of the force, a group representing

retired officers in South Yorkshire has told its members they should be

proud of their work during the 1980s.

The message was made public accidentally and then withdrawn.

The current Chief Constable was suspended yesterday and some

are calling for the force to be broken up.

30,000 people attended a vigil in Liverpool last night

in memory of those who died in the Hillsborough

There were emotional scenes as the crowd joined together

# When you walk through the storm # Hold your head up high

# And don't be afraid of the dark # At the end of the storm

# There's a golden sky # And the sweet silver

# Walk on through the wind # Walk on through the rain

# Though your dreams # Be tossed and blown

# Walk on walk on # With hope in your heart

# And you'll never walk alone # You'll never walk alone #.

Louise Brookes lost her 26-year-old brother Andrew at Hillsborough.

Louise, I imagine with the inquest verdict comic you had hoped to have

reached the end of the road and yet it seems not, with very serious

questions Navas in South Yorkshire Police. Let me ask you first, what

was your feeling when you heard this morning about that posed by the

retired officer saying they should be proud because they had done a

good job? I am not surprised at all with their attitude. This just goes

to prove what kind of people us families and the survivors have been

up against for the last 27 years. Let me make myself perfectly clear.

The 96, and the survivors and us families are really the victim of a

crime. And these officers, the minority of the police officers, did

help, but the majority of the officers that they were too busy

holding hands across the football pitch. Some of them were looking in

the pens and literally turned away, some were putting people back in the

pens. Not only that, they carried on by lying, covering up, trying to

blame the 96 and the survivors, but also accusing us families and the

campaigners of actually lying. Now, as we know, there have been

statements edited, amended, and I just think it is absolutely

disgraceful that in a country like this where both myself and Andrew

were brought up to respect the police, and we were taught that if

we were in any trouble at all that the police were there to help us.

Let me ask you this, Louise, if I may, a lot of people watching might

have thought that the police were disgrace. Although that was a long

time ago. Surely the key question now is, is that historic, whether

the South Yorkshire Police force has changed or whether those attitudes

are still endemic in the Force? Obviously I cannot speak for the

other officers within the force. I can only speak in relation to the

Chief Constable, and obviously by his actions, recently, and even when

he accused usual Mac families and campaigners of lying,... Should he

be sacked because he's been suspended. I do think so. Another

thing I want to make clear is, not one police officer ever lost one

day's pay due to Hillsborough. And as we know some of these high

ranking officers as well as the PC sergeants, inspectors, they have

retired on full pensions. My father had in breakdown and he never

returned to work. And then my father had to live on what was classed as

half a pension. And we did absolutely nothing wrong. The 96,

our families, survivors, we did absolutely nothing wrong! These

offices are living their lives, they have no shame, they just don't care,

they are covering themselves constantly. And I really believe,

that when you tell a Lie, and tell that life was so long you start

believing it is the truth. Where will this end? Because potentially

it could end in criminal charges, it could end with the disbanding of the

South Yorkshire force. From your point of view what do you want to be

the potential outcome -- the eventual outcome? I would like

certain people to go to prison because in my opinion, criminal

offences have occurred, also, if you think about South Yorkshire Police,

I have never known a police force with such a bad reputation in my

life. The miners strike, Hillsborough, Rotherham... It's just

absolutely despicable. The country we live in, it shouldn't be

happening in a country like this. It just should not. In the House of

Commons yesterday Andy Burnham was saying that it wasn't just the

police. There was a culture in the media, the establishment,

Parliament. Do we now live in a different country, or are those

attitudes in the press and amongst politicians that allowed this

cover-up to happen still exist? I still think cover-ups go on but it

is a bit more difficult to cover up. A prime example with the police for

instance is, back in the 1980s, when people were interviewed, it was all

done by witness statement and was no record of interviews. That has

changed for the better. There are a minority of people who think they

are above the law. And they think they can do things all get away with

it. I think one thing is that your past will always catch up with you.

And these people need to be accountable for their actions, or

that lack of actions that day which sent 96 innocent people to their

graves. For many people watching, one of the most extraordinary things

about your story is the persistence and determination to keep going

through those long years, through the odds against you, whether ever

times when you thought, we'll have move on? Absolutely not. I don't

know one single person within the families who ever thought that, who

ever said that. Us Hillsborough families come from all over the

country, from different backgrounds, different personalities, but we have

such a unique bond, I am absolutely proud of every single family member,

everything one of them. And do you know what, I would not have wanted

to have fought this battle with any other 95 families. I am so proud of

of them. We heard about how bruising and painful the inquest process was

when the police almost seemed to disown their previous apology, again

putting forward the stories about the behaviour of the fans. How

difficult was that? Personally, for me, it is difficult but when you

have been fighting, fighting these people for 27 years, sadly, you get

used to it. Nothing shocks us Hillsborough families any more. And

that is the sad thing about it. We are just used to it. We have done

absolutely nothing wrong. The 96 survivors did absolutely nothing

wrong. This is my personal opinion. This is what goes through my mind, I

actually wonder if there is anything more sinister behind Hillsborough

because I don't understand why people are so determined for the

truth not to come out. I find that very, very difficult. We've had

investigations in the past into different things like the Jimmy

Savile case. And the truth has come out. But for some reason, people do

not want the full truth. There have been suggestions about the

Freemasons. Whether that had some sort of influence, do you think that

was part of it? I definitely believe that. That is my personal opinion, I

cannot speak for anyone else, any other families, that is my opinion.

Louise, thank you so much, we really appreciate this. Thank you. An

e-mail from Derek. He says, I think the police should be accountable for

what happened at Hillsborough but what good is it in suspending the

Chief Constable of South Yorkshire? He had nothing to do with

Hillsborough. It is those who were involved that should be tried. One

tweet says that South Yorkshire Police are a disgrace with lies and

covering up and nothing to be proud of. A text message from Allison, can

someone say publicly that many of the officers serving in the South

Yorkshire Police to date have nothing to do with this disaster.

Many of them were not born of them. They are not the ones rotten to the

core. How can they do their jobs now with all this hatred towards their

force? And e-mail message from Robert, making one mistake doesn't

make you bad at your job. Also you can't take an incident in isolation.

There was a lot of bad behaviour by football hooligans at the time of

Hillsborough and this cannot but influence the behaviour of police.

That is not to excuse the police but neither should they take all the

blame. Tweet from Russell, Hillsborough shows a culture of

cover-up and deceit does exist. Another area of concern is the

activities of social services. Still to come. Almost half of children in

care or living with foster parents have a mental health disorder. We

will hear some of their stories and talk to people trying to make a

difference. And should expats who have lived outside the UK figures be

allowed to vote in the EU referendum? We'll bring you the

latest on a court judgment to decide if they can.

Well, more on that in a few minutes -- but first here's Annita

in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of the rest of the day's news.

The Labour Party has a serious problem with anti-semitism,

according to one of its most high profile peers.

Lord Levy was speaking following the suspension

of the Labour MP, Naz Shah, for comments she made about Israel

She has apologised, but the peer said people were increasingly

using attacks on Israel as a way of showing their hatred

A group of economists will say today that leaving the European Union

would benefit Britain's financial services sector - and could lead

Meanwhile, the Prime Minister and the former

leader of the TUC, Sir Brendan Barber, have set

aside their political differences to write an article

for the Guardian, arguing the case for staying IN the European Union.

A group of MPs says many children in care are falling

through the cracks when it comes to their mental health.

The Education Select Committee found that almost half

of children who are looked after by local authorities or in

foster care, have a diagnosable mental health disorder.

The MPs say children in care are four times more

likely than their peers to have a mental health condition.

Smokers should be encouraged to switch to e-cigarettes to help

them quit, according to a report by the Royal College of Physicans.

It says its findings lay to rest nearly all the concerns

The report also says that fears that e-cigarettes are gateway to smoking

are unfounded. Philip Hammond is due to arrive

in Cuba later today. It'll be the first time

a British Foreign Secretary has During the trip he is expected

to formalise an agreement to cancel millions of pounds worth

of Cuba's debt. The visit comes after a UK trade

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of investment in a wide range A 26-year-old woman has been shot

dead by her two-year-old son while driving in the American

city of Milwaukee. Police say the child found the gun,

which belonged to the victim's boyfriend, and accidentally fired

it from the back seat. Profits at Facebook have tripled

in the first quarter of 2016, compared to a year ago,

rising to over ?1 billion. Most of the revenues

came from a boom in By the end of March, 1.6 billion

people were logging on at least once a month. That is a summary of the

latest BBC News, more at ten o'clock. Now we get the latest

sports news. The crisis at British Cycling has

deepened since we covered The suspended technical director

Shane Sutton has now resigned, he says to take any distraction away

from the team as they prepare UK Sport has also asked

the organisation to investigate whether official TeamGB kit,

paid for by National Lottery funds - including a high-performance bike -

is being sold online for profit. Tyson Fury insists that he is

fighting fit and ready to beat Wladimir Klitschko again.

The World heavyweight Champion showed

went head to head to promote their rematch in Manchester in July.

Fury goaded Klitschko by saying how the Ukrainian lost to a fat man six

months ago but he can beat him again in any kind of shape although he did

We had a goal in the second of the Champions League semifinals

Atletico Madrid have a 1-0 lead against

Bayern Munich ahead of the second leg in Germany next week .

It was a terrific solo effort from Saul.

Champion John Higgins to reach his first semifinal

at the World Snooker Championship in 23 years.

He is the oldest semifinalist for 31 years. More sporting half an hour.

Does the Labour Party have an anti-semitism problem?

The MP for Bradford Naz Shah was suspended from Labour yesterday

for comments she made on social media about Israel -

Tom Bateman is our Poltical Correspondent

She says that the comments were made before she was an MP, but the

comments have since been taken down, and now what you have is a situation

where it has really come a test of Jeremy Corbyn is leadership. Is he

really have a grip on this issue that many people are now saying of

anti-Semitism in the Labour Party? Lord Levy, a fundraiser under Tony

Blair, says the party has a problem. And is it taking the Corbyn

leadership to long to do anything about it? So you have to things

going on, the questions over Naz Shah herself and whether she will be

expelled, but more fundamentally, questions about Mr Corbyn's

leadership and whether he did enough, quickly enough, to tackle

this, and others, like Lord Levy are saying that he should have added or

quickly. Thank you very much indeed.

Joining me now from Westminster is the Labour MP John Mann -

who's also Chair of the All-Party Group Against AntiSemitism -

and in the studio Richard Angell, director of the Labour thinktank

Progress, and Rabbi Laura Janner-Klausner, senior

John, I heard you yesterday saying that Naz Shah should go to Israel.

Is she being scapegoated for stupid remarks? They are stupid remarks,

but they are also racist remarks and highly offensive. Either she is

thrown out, or she is educated about anti-Semitism and the offence she

has created. You think she should be thrown out, expelled? That is John

McDonnell's line on this. They are the two options. What I have

recommended, and I did so before she was suspended to Jeremy Corbyn, and

to her rectory, that she should be a GK to do in anti-Semitism in order

that she could be one of the people who fights it, and that should

include, and I have asked Jeremy Corbyn to do this, that she should

go to Israel, to the Holocaust Centre, and also to Sid rot where

the missiles from Hamas hit families, to get a better

understanding of Israel, and why her remarks are so offensive. Can I ask

you this blunt question. You believe she is an anti-Semite? Her remarks

are anti-Semitic. We can do two things with her anybody else in the

Labour Party or elsewhere. We can castigate and ignore them, or we can

educate them. Prejudice comes from ignorance, and the best counter to

prejudice is education, and that is what she seems willing and happy to

engage, that is a good sign. Let me bring in Rabbi Laura. You know Naz

Shah. Do you believe she is an anti-Semite? No, I don't. I agree

with John that the posts were anti-Semitic. They swapped Israel

and Jews, they were awful, they were terrible. I am certain that she is

up for a change in learning, and from the point of view of a

modelling change in Britain, that is excellent, to say, I was wrong, I am

sorry, I offended many people, and she details what was wrong. If only

we could all do that in our lives, because we know that racism and

anti-Semitism, homophobia, they are all out there, and when somebody

saying something doing something wrong, if they have the courage and

the integrity to say, I really was wrong and I am up for learning, and

I agree with John, I would love to take Naz Shah to Israel, to the

territories, not just to the Holocaust Museum, down into the

street to hang out in a cafe, because that is how you learn about

normality. The backdrop to this is the Labour Party more broadly,

because this is not the first time we have had a row about

anti-Semitism. We have investigations into various Labour

university clubs. Do you think Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party has a

problem with anti-Semitism? Undoubtedly it has a problem with

anti-Semitism, and the inaction when these things come about, and how

quickly they are dealt with, is troubling for people. People fear

that when people like Ken Livingstone said they have never

heard or seen anti-Semitism in the Labour Party, they wonder what part

of the party he is part of. But is it inaction? To be fair to Mr

Corbyn, he set up an inquiry into anti-Semitism in various Labour

clubs, he was straight out of the blocks in condemning what Naz Shah

has said. She was removed, as John McDonnell's Parliamentary aide, and

at the end of the day, she was suspended. All that happened in

24-hour is. There was a bit of the space between them. Had the process

been followed, she would have been immediately suspended, that then

gone to an investigation, and my understanding is it was part of the

leaders office that was holding back that formal process just being

administered by the staff at the normal way. So there is often a

hesitation before these things happen, I'm afraid. I fear there are

too many political judgments that seem to be made and rather than feel

confident in our party, people say wrong things. Sometimes we attract

as a party people who misbehave, but the point is, when these situations

happen, you have to act to agreed rules. Our agreed rules are not good

enough at the moment, but they are not even followed when something

like this comes up. Let me put this to you, much of the row as a

surrogate for a row about Jeremy Corbyn, because he is identified as

similarly, so it is wrapped up in the tension around his leadership. I

have been talking about this for years, on the BBC as well, and this

isn't a new problem. This is an old problem that is resurrected in quite

a big way. Social media is one factor, but what leadership has to

be is to say the right things, but also to act, and critically, there

needs to be an effective education programme across the Labour Party

about anti-Semitism, what it is, so that people understand what is

offensive and why it is offensive. Yesterday, I was getting e-mails

that said, you can't be racist against Jews because they are rich.

That is coming from people on the left. Some quite extraordinary

stuff. The levels of prejudice and ignorance are very high. From the

perspective of the Jewish community, how damaging is this to Labour? To

Labour, I think it is damaging, and people are frightened, which is why

I think the reaction of both repentance and also the suspension

are good. And I don't think it is just about the Labour Party, we need

to look across the board at all parties, and not just the political

institutions. The language that is slipping in in the general public

around Jews, around Muslims, needs to be called out, so I am concerned

that it is very easy to deflect it on the Labour Party rather than to

say, what does it mean to Britain that we are further away from World

War II, and the language between Israel and Jews gets muddled up, and

what we saw two years ago, the wall between Hamas and Israel, the

language that exploded on social media, that is not to do with the

Labour Party, and that is why I think the Naz Shah thing is

interesting, because what she did is utterly wrong, and now she is

saying, I'm sorry. That is a very good model. Richard, let me ask you

one more question on the Labour Party. You talked about how Labour

had taken their time to deal with this. Is part of it again because of

the Palestinian/ Israel political argument, and bluntly, Naz Shah was

seen, is seen, as on the same side as Jeremy Corbyn, and therefore

maybe there was a reluctance to crack down on her? I think that is

true. One of the reasons I have always liked Naz Shah is how much

George Galloway hates her, lots of things spoken in a passionate way,

she has experienced social injustice in a way I have always found quite

inspiring, which is why I was so disappointed but her words have been

useful in that she seeks to do something better, and John is being

helpful by saying, let's see the action and not just the words. Laura

was generous about the Labour Party, but the reason why this is a

problem, and members like me are so appalled by this, is we pride

ourselves on being the anti-racist party. We are the party that fights

social injustice, and what we cannot have is people turning a blind eye.

While there are lots to criticise Israel, many of them Israel people,

when they conflate Israel and Jews, that must be called out, and more

importantly, British Jews must not be held responsible for a country

they may never have visited or be part of. And what I see on my

timeline, on Twitter, is that people seem to think all Jews are

responsible for various bad things that happen elsewhere. We are going

to have to leave it there. Coming up, are you a smoker? Some doctors

are saying you should be offered and encouraged to use e-cigarettes to

help you quit, because they are so much better than conventional

cigarettes. Let us know if you have used them. And we will try and

discuss that later. Many children in care are already

extremely vulnerable and now a group of MPs says they are falling

through the cracks when it comes The education select committee found

that almost half of children who are looked after by local

authorities or in foster care have a diagnosable mental health

disorder, with kids in care four times more likely than their peers

to have a mental health condition. We can speak to Daniel Harris,

who's in our Brighton studio. Daniel spent time in care and has

recently been diagnosed Here with me is Paul Jenkins,

the Vice-Chair of the Cavendish Square Group which looks after some

of the mental health services in London, Natasha Devon who advises

the Government on young Natasha, a fairly shocking picture

painted in this report, when you recognise? Yes, we know attachment

is incredibly important for good mental health. We mean by that the

relationship you have with your caregiver, while parent, it forms a

blueprint for all your future relationships. Neuroscientists

believe that if you don't have good attachment in early life it can

affect cognitive development. So children in care who have been two

different foster families are far more vulnerable to mental illnesses

because of affects their cognitive development. Within wider population

it is one in ten young people who have a mental illness, in looked

after children, it is half, so it is far more within that community. The

difficult thing for people to understand is, you would think that

children coming from dysfunctional homes, Rogan Holmes, who have moved

around a lot, -- broken homes, they of course will be more vulnerable to

mental health issues. So why are alarm bells not ringing more loudly

when it comes to children in care and mental health? We have known for

a long time about the much greater incidence of mental health problems

among children who have been looked after like this, and the reasons why

it happens, as Natasha explains, are widely known. I think for one, the

pressure on services raising the threshold that only those with the

most acute problems are being seen but also in some services, which at

this particular population. We know from experience in London that there

are good things you can do about it, some good services have this and do

good work among children. Who should ring the alarm bells, teachers, for

example, who should be the person to identify about a problem? Good

mental health services for young people work at two levels, one by

having the right set of skills amongst everyday organisations to

support those young people, so if it is looked after children, social

workers who are working with their foster carers or adopted parents,

but also would then have the ability to fast track problems into formal

services when they arise. A very good model is what we do in Camden,

where we have clinicians working with individual schools, building

relationships, and helping to build the sense of trust between teachers

and others in those schools. Daniel, let me bring you in. You have been

through the care system. I think you had post-traumatic stress disorder?

It was not identified. What was your experience in terms of the support

that you were offered or not offered? I wasn't offered any,

actually. Which is quite sad. 25 years it has taken for me to get a

diagnosis. I've just gone through a process that many kids who leave

care nowadays go through, you can get access to your historic files,

by getting access to my files, what I've found is, it is actually

written within my files that there was no funding available. And while

this was historic, I am really worried about some of the cuts being

pushed by the government, and how this will affect some of the care

leavers today. What actually happened to you? I was sexually

abused. My mother and father were previously looked after children so

we were considered vulnerable family. And part of the safeguarding

of children is that I was taken into care, on a temporary basis. This

happened throughout my life. But I had a very good care experience, I

had good foster parents and I have some good memories from that.

Natasha, Daniel mentioned funding. Is it bluntly initial resources, we

know that in the austerity and there has been cutting back, cutting back,

is this an issue of austerity or awareness? Both, I would say. When a

historically mental health has only had 0.7% of the NHS budget despite

the fact that one in three GP visits is for a mental health issue.

Because it can't be seen and is not considered urgent. There's a great

organisation in Braintree called the Foyer which looks after young

adults, give them a place to sleep, teachers and social skills, cookery,

CB skills. That is in danger of being closed by the local council.

-- CV skills. I can think of 200 things I would sacrifice in Essex

before I sacrificed about that because most of the time we don't

hear from you people like this, it is easy to silence them so well done

for inviting this young man on the show. Again and again it is stressed

that mental health is being given increased priority so how can this

happen at a time when the government is apparently trying to divert focus

from physical well-being to mental well-being. I think in the last five

years we've seen a tremendous change in society in our attitudes towards

mental health, but greater awareness for people to share their stories.

This is beginning, I stress, beginning to change attitudes,

politicians are seeing this as a priority. I think it is hard work to

shift the funding. This is a point we've ridged, you can't talk in

public about mental health being a priority if you don't back up your

actions by the level of funding it attracts. Daniel, you are nodding.

I've read the report and I want to stress that it says that 50% of

children in care or leaving care have mental health disorders at the

moment. And these are going pretty much undiagnosed. One thing is when

the report, it's going the right way, there is support for previously

looked after children and the age of 25, that's the recommendation put in

place, I am partial and about kids that are in care and then getting

the right support but lets face it, 23% of adult prisoners have been in

care. That's 21,000 people currently in the prison system that were in

care. We need to start asking questions, why is a society are we

allowing this? It's definitely something we need to focus on. It

costs ?65,000 a year to keep a prisoner in prison. Over 21,000

people, that is ?1.5 billion again spent when we could be taking that

money and investing it in to mental health services and getting the

support early, not when it is too late and these people are pretty

much left voice less in society. Natasha, given that there are huge

savings to society and huge savings cost wise, you are sitting in

government, what do you do to try to ensure that those savings can be

achieved and to rectify the problem? If you had to list three bullet

points to do what would they be? To make it clear, I don't work for the

government although I do advise the Department for Education about how

we can work at a preventative level. This is what Daniel is saying, we

need to identify children who are vulnerable and give them the extra

support they need as early as possible. Mental health is something

we should think about from birth in the same way that we think about

physical health. The way that mental health problems often manifest in

later life is criminal activity, as Daniel says. At that point you are

looking at a huge cost to that individual and to society so

prevention, prevention, prevention, are my three bullet points. Same

thought? Just one second, Daniel! There has been money promised for

children and young People's mental health services. What the

politicians need to make sure happens is that money translates

into real further investment in front line services, like some of

the ones that we run that screening in some borrowers, all looked after

children for mental health issues, reaching out to those young people

from specialist services. Daniel, if you had had your hands on the levers

of power at what would you have done? I would make sure that there

are regular checks and mental health assessments, psychological

assessments, I would make sure all children in care are offered this

service. Potentially throughout their life or their stay within the

care system. That will give us an opportunity to get in the early. We

can also look at other options. One thing that I'm trying to do is bring

more of a holistic approach to mental health. I'm passionate about

singing and music and one thing that I have done recently, I was inspired

to going to a recent event, there were 700 children there, who are

currently in the care system, and we formed a choir called Voices Matter.

We want to work with care leavers and get them involved in that.

There's a lot of emotional expression, these young adults need

to get out. If we can get them and offer alternative approaches, I

think this would really help these looked after children. Daniel, thank

you! There's a promotion for Daniel. In just a few weeks' time we will

get our say on whether Britain should remain in or leave

the European Union. But what about British citizens

who have lived abroad in other European countries

for more than 15 years? Should they be able to vote

in the EU referendum? Jacqueline Maclennan was one of the

expats to bring the case, why should you be able to vote when you don't

live in Britain? The vote is fundamental and taking away some

on's folk should only be done in circumstances where there is reason

for that. -- vote should be kept. Although I have been living in

Belgium for 15 years I am rooted in the UK and deeply connected to it.

And many UK citizens in my position are

the same. My family are still in Scotland and our holiday there. I

have three children, brought up in Belgium, two of them are studied in

the UK and currently reside there, and my daughter, the third, hopes to

go to the UK the University next. Isn't the difficulty that somewhere

you have to draw the line because you could say, if you left button 50

years ago or your aunt is British, the government has to draw a line

somewhere, do you accept that? -- if you left Britain 50 years ago. I

accept that there may be justification for drawing a line but

this government has said that drawing a line where the line has

been drawn is arbitrary. It has in fact said -- it is in fact said -

the government has said if you choose 15 years and is like sticking

a dart in a dart board, why not 14 or 13 years 16? There is something

really wrong when the results of choosing that date is to take a

fundamental right away from citizens who are, as I say, deeply connected

to the UK. People like me are not a nebulous expat that has severed all

ties to the UK and has no wish to maintain my rights and obligations

to the UK. Where I pay tax, where I have these strong connections, as I

say, I believe I should also have the right to vote. We will leave it

there, thank you, Jacqueline. Now the latest weather update with Phil.

I am sure we can manage whether expectations, forget the May bank

holiday, or January, it's much the same sort of tail with winter

showers overnight in Lancashire, is the good news to report, there has

been sunshine further east in the British Isles, a foggy start but the

transformation, and it will be quite some transformation, it will come in

the shape of a southern weather front spreading rain or snow.

Spreading snow ever further towards the east. It's already that way

across western Scotland. It's miserable there at the moment. You

will see a progression of these weather fronts further towards the

east and south as we get through the day. Not all doom and gloom, we have

had persistent stuff, then wintry showers falling behind for parts of

Northern Ireland, or a hint of brightness, but the top end of

Northern Ireland, a mixture of sunshine and showers, but, and it is

a big but, this will stretch away towards the Lothians, down into the

Borders, the top end of the Pennines, and then we come to

something a little drier all the windows that bright start across

East Anglia, holding it in Kent until late in the day, you will not

see rain here until later in the afternoon but when the rain is with

you and it is there to be had this afternoon across the south-west,

rain and the Midlands, miserable fare. Wendy, cold, five, six, seven,

8 degrees, and the rain sticks around for awhile. It's not so much

the rain that I'm concerned about for many of you, it's the

persistence the snow. The weather front sticks until Friday. Look at

this. Another of isobars, some of the snow could blow around. By this

stage some of the threat has transferred from eastern Scotland to

the south-east of Scotland to the north-east of England. If you were

thinking of the cycle ride in Yorkshire tomorrow, so are we

although probably not for the same reasons! It is wet and it could well

be lying snow on the ground and there's a gale force northerly, and

that system keeps it miserably cold. With that threat of further snow, we

are talking centimetres across here, elsewhere, sunny spells and showers.

Relief from the misery on Saturday, sunshine and showers and at least

some of those figures are beginning to reach double figures. Will it

last? It worked. Any set of fronts arrived with the best of the

sunshine across the south-east. Hello, I'm Norman Smith

in for Victoria Derbyshire. Welcome to the programme

if you've just joined us. A group representing former

South Yorkshire Police officers has told its members to be proud

of their work in the 1980s despite the findings

of the Hilsborough inquests. A relative of one of

the victims told us she's not The majority of the officers on duty

that day were too busy holding hands across the football pitch. Some of

them were actually looking into the pens, and literally turned away.

Some of them were pushing people back in. But not only that, they

then carried on by lying, covering up, trying to blame our 96 and the

survivors. Also today: Smokers should switch to

e-cigarettes, the roll call of physicians says we are safer.

Facebook shares jump after the company reports

soaring profits it's mainly because many of us are now

It is one minute past ten o'clock, and here is Annita with a summary of

the news. Norman, thank you. The Labour Party has a serious

problem with anti-semitism, according to one of its most

high profile peers. Naz Shah has apologised for the

Facebook post which she made before entering Parliament. Labour MP John

Mann is also chair of the all-party group against anti-Semitism, and

told the Victoria Derbyshire programme she should be better

educated. What I have recommended, and I did so before she was

suspended to Jeremy Corbyn, and to her directly, personally, is that

she should be educated in anti-Semitism in order that she can

be one of the people who fights it, that should include, and I have

asked Jeremy Kyle bin to do this, that she should go to Israel, to the

Holocaust Centre, and to where the missiles from Hamas hit families, to

get a better understanding of Israel and why her remarks are so

offensive. John Mann. British expats should be allowed to vote in the

referendum, according to ministers. The passenger plane which was

thought to have hit by a drone as it approached Heathrow Airport probably

wasn't, the Government has revealed. An investigation was launched

earlier this month into what was thought to be the UK's first drone

strike on a passenger aircraft after a BA flight from Geneva reported

colliding with an object. But the Transport Secretary says it is now

thought it wasn't a drone incident. A group of MPs says many children in

care are falling through the cracks when it comes to their mental

health. The education select committee found that almost half of

children looked after by local authorities or in foster care have a

diagnosable mental health disorder. The MPs say children in care are

four times more likely than their peers to have a mental health

condition. Smokers should be encouraged

to switch to e-cigarettes to help The UK's Royal College of Physicians

says there is resounding evidence that e-cigarettes are "much safer"

than smoking and can help quitting. The report also says fears that

e-cigarettes are a gateway Philip Hammond is due to arrive

in Cuba later today. It'll be the first time

a British Foreign Secretary has During the trip he is expected

to formalise an agreement to cancel millions of pounds worth

of Cuba's debt. The visit comes after a UK trade

delegation to the country agreed around ?350 million worth

of investment in a wide range A 26-year-old woman has been shot

dead by her two-year-old son while driving in the American

city of Milwaukee. Police say the child found the gun,

which belonged to the victim's boyfriend, and accidentally fired

it from the back seat. Profits at Facebook have tripled

in the first quarter of 2016, compared to a year ago,

rising to over ?1 billion. Most of Facebook's revenues come

from the boom in the advertising revenues. 1.6 billion people log on

at least once a month, 200 million more than this time last year.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News; more at 10.30.

Annita, thank you very much indeed. Coming up, UK sport has asked

British cycling De Gea investigate whether official Team GB kit has

been sold online for profit less than 24 hours after it was unveiled.

We will get the latest. Do get in touch with us

throughout the morning - use the hashtag Victoria live

and if you text, you will be charged Let's get some more sports news with

Olly Foster. A slight clarification, I think, on

the British cycling and UK sport investigation. We know that there is

also the fire fighting going on at the moment at the organisation since

we cover the story yesterday. The suspended technical director

Shane Sutton has now resigned, he says to take any distraction away

from the team as they prepare UK Sport has also asked

the organisation to investigate whether official

British Cycling kit, Amat is different from the Team GB

kit that was unveiled yesterday. Well, Sutton has been accused

of making sexist comments and also being highly offensive

in the terms he used to describe He denies the specific claims

against him and says he will co-operate with an independent

review to examine the culture It is really, really important

that we have this independent review so that anybody who has

had those experiences, they get a chance to talk

to an independent panel, It is not many people's experience

of British Cycling, but it should be I am, but that is why we need

an independent panel to investigate this,

we need to look It cannot be British Cammack cycling

investigating itself here. Ian Drake talking to our sports

editor Dan Roan. You know we had Vladimir Klitchsko

doing the rounds here yesterday, thankfully we didn't have Tyson Fury

because we might have seen this. The world heavyweight champion

showed off his ample physique as the two went head to head

to promote their rematch Fury goaded Klitschko by saying how

the Ukrainian lost to a fat man six months ago but he can beat him again

in any kind of shape. Although he did insist he's

fitter than he looks. I reckon I can do 12 rounds

when I weigh 20 stone, fat pig, it is not about how hard

you train, it is the natural I ran six miles yesterday afternoon,

and then I did one hour on the cross trainer and one hour on a bike,

so I can't be that unfit, and I have We had a goal in the second

of the Champions League Atletico Madrid have a 1-0 lead

against Bayern Munich ahead of the second leg

in Germany next week. It was a terrific solo

effort from Saul. Remember Manchester City

and Real Madrid drew 0-0 That's all your sport

for now, I'll be back The inquest sat for over two years

and while the families of the Hillsborough victims

celebrated the conclusions, the focus is now on South Yorkshire

Police and whether there Despite the criticism of the police,

a group representing retired officers in South Yorkshire

who worked for the force in the 1980s, has told its members

they should be proud The message was made public

accidentally and then withdrawn. 30,000 attended a vigil

in Liverpool to remember the 96 fans who died

at Hillsborough 27 years ago. There were emotional scenes as the

crowd join together to sing the club was Makoun sum. --'s anthem.

# When you walk through the storm # Hold your head up high

# And don't be afraid of the dark # At the end of the storm

# And the sweet silver song of a lark

Steering stuff. You have been sending in more of your comment is

on Hillsborough. Roger: What happened at this football ground was

terrible. The authorities were found wanting for sure. It was clear by

footage shown that there appears to have been no violence from the fans,

but serious mistakes were made by the authorities. There was a huge

cover-up of the true facts, and that must only have come from the top.

But in the 1980s, football fans didn't have a good reputation with

the authorities due to the violence at some matches. It is because of

this violence, which was common at this time, that the grounds had

these awful fences installed. I cannot get out of my mind that if

these fences were not there, this disaster would never have happened,

so could some blame be laid at the feet of those fans who were

irresponsible for this violence? Maria says, emotional scenes in

Liverpool last night. I watched it and I was in tears, I sang the

anthem holding my West Ham scarf high.

Elkan Abrahamsen is lawyer for 22 of the families.

And Mike Pannett is former police officer with North Yorkshire police.

We have had the suspension of the Chief Constable, the Home

Secretary's statement, the damning verdict at the inquest. What more do

you and the families want? I think now may be the time to take a step

back and look at the general problems, some of which remain,

which led not just of the disaster, but to the cover-up. Firstly there

is the problem within South Yorkshire Police, which seems to

continue, where they failed to accept their responsibility, and

indeed are prepared to lie to cover up their own conduct. And this is an

overriding problem, not just for South Yorkshire Police, but

generally for organisations, a ten nation to not confess your mistakes

but cover up things have gone wrong and protect colleagues, that is all

too strong, and we need to develop a system to fight the temptation. And

how do you do that? You can understand in most organisations

there is a tendency to be defensive when you are under attack, so how do

you counter that temptation to cover-up? What you need to have is a

deep rooted sense of ethical behaviour. Police forces nationally

do now have a code of ethics, they have had one for a couple of years,

it is still taking some time to bed in, but for a colleague to say I

will support you in everything I do up to the point where you act

illegally, in morally or unethically, and then that support

goes. It is not impossible for everyone in an organisation to

accept that, to accept that there is an overriding moral code. Mike

Pannett, from a police perspective, do you accept the criticism now

being levelled at the South Yorkshire Police, in particular for

the fact that at the inquest, it seemed there were almost going back

on a previous apology and continuing to take the stance they took the

time of original tragedy? Hello, Norman. I have just listened to the

Merseyside, the families there, singing that song, and that brought

emotion to me. I have been a lifelong football fan, but there are

two or three strands to this. Firstly we had the events leading up

to that football match. Should the ground have been used? Then we saw

what happened at that match, and the disastrous consequences. Following

that, we saw what now is a cover-up by South Yorkshire Police officers

at the time, and that has catastrophic consequences for the

police. But look at the third strand, which is really important,

too, and we must discuss this. Where have the police gone subsequently?

We saw Lord Justice Taylor, we have seen the massive improvements with

safety at football matches. Back in the 80s, at the time, the policing

focus was on crowd disorder. But now, thankfully, it is on crowd

safety, and we have safety advisory groups set up, we have the Green

guide which looks at monitoring foot or matches, the amount of people

going in, so if anything good has come out of this absolute tragedy,

it is that we are in a different place altogether. Police officers at

these matches are trained to a national level, and the whole aspect

of how we handle these sporting events has changed for the good, and

that is the one, only thing that I am really grateful from those

Eikan is this question that South Yorkshire Police are almost a rogue

force. I can say this because Andy Burnham said in the Commons

yesterday that it was not just Hillsborough, it was Rotherham and

other places, so are we dealing with a force that has particular

problems? I think to an extent we are. The behaviour of the suspended

Chief Constable Mr Crompton indicates that he's still quite

happy to peddle lies even after they have been disproved. I am sorry my

earpiece is coming out! I also think there is a problem endemic to not

just police forces but organisations generally that we need to look at.

From the South Yorkshire perspective, if you live in South

Yorkshire are a suspect you will have serious questions about the

policing you receive. Is there a case for either rebranding or even

disbanding the South Yorkshire force, reconstituting it, maybe

putting it together with other forces? We must be really careful.

If we are talking about Hillsborough, like I've said before

in interviews I've given, these people, anybody, no matter what

rank, anywhere in proven to have committed an offence must face the

consequences. Although we have to be very careful. There are men and

women in South Yorkshire Police, I have never worked in South Yorkshire

but I know a lot of very decent men and women will work within the South

Yorkshire Police. Remember that when Hillsborough happened a lot of those

officers and staff working for South Yorkshire Police were not even born.

We are talking about 27 years later. Things have improved, quite rightly.

I am absolutely all for learning from these lessons from the pastoral

we cannot tar everyone with the same brush and there are decent men and

women who not even born when Hillsborough happened and they are

feeling this personally, they are the ones going out and putting on

their stab proof vests and facing the public and dealing with

difficult situations so we must be very careful to make sure that all

the South Yorkshire Police, decent men and women... I think that one of

the many reasons that people have been shocked is because of the

conduct of the force at the inquests when it seemed that they were almost

reinventing many of the allegations about the fans. That has led to the

accusation that maybe attitudes have not changed, at least at the top of

the police force. And then we had that posted message from retired

officers today and it suggests a lack of awareness, sends the gravity

of this. -- a sense of the gravity of this. What has saddened me, we

have looked at Hillsborough and we had another review that did not pick

up the those poor families have had to endure 27 families to get to the

truth... 27 years to get to the truth, and now quite rightly anyone

who has done wrong should face charges although it does get me, why

are we still in this situation with the police and just admit that

mistakes were made and that they saw the disastrous consequences, instead

of just admitting, we have made a mistake, let's put it right. Too

often people are terrified of litigation and terrified of saying

things that cannot be right. We as a country need to take a look at

ourselves. If someone has done something wrong they should be able

to put up their hands and say, we got it wrong. Eikan, you mentioned

the need for transparency and greater willingness to concede when

things have gone wrong, let me mention some specifics, the Chief

Constable has been suspended, should he go? He should be subject to

rigorous objective impartial investigation, the kind that was

denied to the families for so long, and of that investigation feels he

should be dismissed then he should. In terms of charges we know there's

an investigation underway and allsorts of charges could be

brought, the likelihood of them being brought in 26 years later? We

must be careful to talk about charges, again there must be a

proper investigation and if appropriate charges should be

brought I would not like to comment on the likelihood. Theresa May

seemed to signal yesterday that she planned to look at what is clearly

an adversarial, and satisfactory inquest process. Will we see a

shake-up of inquests and the way that families are treated? Hope so.

It is not so much the inquest procedure, it is the way that public

bodies are allowed to have a public phase where they will apologise and

a private face with a will litigate and be adversarial. This is a real

problem. These are public bodies, we fund them, governments control them,

if we have done something wrong and especially of the admit to doing

something wrong then they should not be allowed to take an entirely

contrary route through the courts or through litigation. And time frames,

this has gone on for so long now, the Home Secretary yesterday

suggested that it could be a year before any files are presented to

the CPS. This could still presumably be going on for years to come? It

could but it should. You cannot hide the truth and 27 years and then say,

it has taken so long, let's forget it! It takes a lot of time to

unravel a web of deceit that starts at the highest level. From the point

of view of South Yorkshire if this goes on and the questions continue

to be raised about the force, how do they, as a force, really builds

confidence and trust with the local community that they please? You are

absolutely right, Norman. This will be very difficult for South

Yorkshire because unfortunately it has been in the spotlight because of

some things that haven't gone as well as they should have done. But

I've said from the start that we have staff and officers serving in

South Yorkshire now which had nothing to do with those events, not

even born at the time of that tragedy, it's about leadership at

the top of the South Yorkshire Police to make sure that those staff

can go out there, it's all about morale, they will be on their knees

now, people are looking at them and questioning them, what do do do

about Hillsborough, those officers they are pointing the finger at had

nothing to do with that and that's what we could be clear about, that

the South Yorkshire and do their job and do it well. Thank you both very

much. Still to come, Facebook's profits are soaring as the company

attracts more and more advertising. We will have the details. The Sun

newspaper could be made to pay compensation to alleged victims of

phone hacking after a judge's ruling at the High Court this morning. The

newspaper has always denied that it listened to mobile phone messages

but a new messages set of victims say their phones were hacked.

Around 600 claims have been settled for hacking victims of the now

let's get the latest from legal eagle Clive Coleman. For those of

you who thought the phone hacking litigation was in the past, think

again, it rumbles on. Today a significant new development. We just

had a ruling from Mr Justice Mann at the High Court that four claimants

can amend the cases they had already brought against knees but

newspapers, significantly to include claims against the Sun newspaper,

claims that there was phone hacking that took place at that newspaper.

It's always been denied by News group newspapers will continue to

deny it, by the way, that phone hacking took place at the Sun

newspaper. We have had an application by four claimants. Simon

Clegg, Chief Executive Officer of the British limbic Association. Les

Heseltine, more familiarly known as Les Dennis, the entertainer -- the

British Olympic Association. The manager of the band Babyshambles,

and the head of press at Liverpool Football Club. Those claimants want

to amend their claims to include claims against the Sun. It was

vigorously opposed by the newspaper, who indeed wanted those claims

struck out completely. Today the judge says he is going to dismiss

the application to strikers claims that committee will allow those four

claimants to continue their claims against the Sun. Now we know that up

to 50 new claims against News group newspapers, many of which will

include claims of hacking against the Sun are to be is it. A number of

new claims the pipeline. I'm joined by Christopher Hutchings. One of the

claimants. I imagine some of the other 50 will bring claims? Affair

number of them. What it tough fight this was. The ruling today was

significant because it brings the Sun squarely into the civil

litigation friend. Newsgroup for this vigorously and the judge has

found that there is sufficient evidence to allow the four claimants

to claim for articles that come from the Sun but more substantially this

will allow up 250 further claimants to plead some articles. It doesn't

mean that these cases have been won, they have to be brought, yet to

bring them you'll had to satisfy the judge that there was enough evidence

to bring a case. Fisher correct, we had to put forward a significant

amount of evidence including from individuals such as Glenn Malka and

Paul McMullen. Denmark it was a private detective at the heart of

the phone hacking scandal and the other Glen was a former news editor

at the News of the World. He had something interesting to say about

Rebekah Brooks, the editor of the Sun from 2003. Yes, the judge

specifically refers to evidence that he believes that Rebekah Brooks, the

former editor, was aware of phone hacking, she knew that certain

stories were sourced through phone hacking. Of course Rebekah Brooks

was acquitted of phone hacking at that criminal trial at the Old

Bailey in 2014 but the judge in this civil case has taken note of what

one witness says about what she knew Benji was editor. Witnesses working

at the Sun have also given evidence as to knowledge and complicity at

the highest levels of the newspaper. Thank you. Norman, just one other

interesting fact. We were told... Bunker I'm sorry, I think the

technology has gone wonky although we got the general idea from Clive,

the legal eagle. Still to come. Some doctors say that you should be

encouraged to use e-cigarettes to help you quit because they are

better than conventional cigarettes. Tell us if you have used them or if

you find the message still a It is half past ten, and here with

the news is Annita in the BBC newsroom.

Thank you and good morning. There has been a further concern delete

and criticism of Nas Shah over marks she made before entering Parliament.

British expats have lost a High Court battle over their right to

vote in the European referendum. Many expats fear a decision in

favour to leave the EU may Syriza disrupt their lives.

A passenger plane which was thought to have been hit by a drone as it

approached Heathrow airport probably wasn't hit by a drone after all,

An investigation was launched earlier this month

into what was thought to be the UK's first drone strike on a passenger

aircraft after a BA flight from Geneva reported colliding

But the Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin said it is now thought

A 26-year-old woman has been shot dead by her two-year-old son

while driving in the American city of Milwaukee.

Police say the child found the gun, which belonged to the victim's

boyfriend, and accidentally fired it from the back seat.

That is a summary of the latest news. Join me live at 11 o'clock.

Annita, thank you very much. More from our sports supremo, Olly

Foster. And beginning to like it.

There could be more trouble for British Cycling,

UK Sport has asked them to investigate as a matter

of urgency whether high-performance kit purchased with

is being sold online for profit The teams technical director

Shane Sutton resigned yesterday after being accused of making sexist

remarks and using derogatory terms to describe para-cyclists.

He has denied the specific claims against against him.

He will call operator with an independent review of the culture at

the organisation. Tyson Fury insists that he is in

good enough shape to beat Are you sure? Looks more like me!

Yes, I am breathing in. The World Heavyweight Champion

showed off his physique as they went head to head

to promote their rematch in July. He says he would beat the Ukrainian

as a 30 stone fat pig. Atletico Madrid will take a 1-0 lead

to Germany next week after beating Bayern Munich

in the first leg of their Champions And Alan Mcmanus has reached his

first World Snooker Championship The 45-year-old beat John Higgins

and will face Ding Junhui. He's the oldest

semi-finalist for 31 years. Marco Fu faces Mark Selby in the

other semifinal, the first time two Asian players have reached the

semifinals in Sheffield. That's all your support for this morning.

Can the Government help save the future of the steel

That's one of the questions likely to be asked of

the Business Secretary Sajid Javid this morning - as he's giving

evidence to the House of Commons Business Committee.

Its future has been in doubt since Tata Steel, which employs

11,000 people in Britain, announced it would be

The Government has said it would be willing to front up the cash

for a 25% stake in any takeover, but yesterday the Prime Minister

said there was no guarantee the plan would help find a new buyer.

I'm joined by our Business Editor Simon Jack.

Simon, is there a better news for the steelworkers? As you know, on

March the 29th, we got the news that everyone in the steel industry was

dreading, that Tata couldn't make a go of it and was putting it up for

sale. 10,000 jobs at stake. Can a buyer be found? Crucially, what can

the Government do to make this industry viable? Can they give

assistance, you talk about the 25% stake, what else could they do? And

how long have we got to find a buyer before Tata decide to shut up shop.

Those were some of the questions put to the boss, and here he is. We have

always acted responsibly. We will continue to act responsibly, but we

cannot pre-empt what a buyer will want, and we cannot continue to

bleed. We will consider all other options, including the support given

by the Government, and then we will take any decision. On the matter of

the support given by the Government, has that been sufficient, in your

opinion? We have been in constant positive dialogue with the

Government. We do see that there is an emerging awareness that there is

more that needs to be done and can be done than what has been done in

the past. Such as what? The energy rebates, for example, that have come

in in the past, that has been helpful, the transformation plan,

also helpful in Port Talbot, but it does not take away from the

structural weaknesses we suffer in the UK. We do have structural

weaknesses such as business rates, costs which are much higher, and to

give you an example, if we were at the same editors do price as

Germany, the UK system would be better off by ?40 million. We would

not be having negative numbers. That is interesting, what he is saying

there is the support the Government is already announced isn't quite

enough in his view to make those viable. A very interesting point

about energy prices in Germany, there are half the price they are

here to heavy intensive users like that. So the fact that the

Government should be doing more, has to do more or less a buyer cannot be

found, in which point, Bimlendra Jha says that it will have to go. And is

there Areola stick chance of saving all of Tata Steel -- a realistic

chance? It is very hard to imagine Port Talbot and the rest of the Tata

operation surviving in its current form. The difficult bit to solve is

the old blast furnaces. Those are where the fundamentals, the cheap

steel from overseas, the high business rates, all combine to make

that a very difficult business to make viable, so it doesn't look

great. Tata have said they have got until next week the people to put in

expressions of interest. You then have to have a more binding

commitment by the end of me which could slip into June. Abel who think

they can make this work had better get their skates on, and the

Government needs to think quite hard about what it can do. Simon Jack,

thank you very much indeed. Some doctors say that

you should be encouraged to use e-cigarettes

to help you quit because they are

better than conventional cigarettes. The message has been confusing.

E-cigarettes help you quit smoking, but could they harm you in other

ways. Now doctors tell us to put aside concerns because they are so

much better than cigarettes. The Royal College of Surgeons says

smokers should be encouraged to vape.

Here to discuss those findings is Dr John Britain

from the Royal College of Physicians, along

with Sarah Jakes, who quit smoking three years ago and now used

e-cigarettes, and Joanna Miller who works with smokers

Thank you for joining us. John, how confident are you that vaping is

actually save? There have been a lot of stories out there, that they have

trialled it with mice, and mice have had breathing difficulties. Are you

sure that it is safe? Nothing is absolutely safe. What we conclude in

the report, and one of the reasons for bringing the report out, to look

at this issue. Long-term, electronic cigarettes probably do have some

adverse effects, but the magnitude is extremely small. What effects?

The likely effects would be an increased risk of chronic

obstructive pulmonary disease, possibly cardiovascular disease or

risk of cancer. That sounds pretty grim to me. That sounds like it, but

the size of the increase in risk is much, much smaller than with tobacco

smoking. If you are a nonuser of nicotine, it makes no sense to start

using an electronic cigarette, but if you are a smoker, it is

no-brainer to switch because the risk is lower. Sarah, you did

switch? It was a no-brainer. I smoked 20 cigarettes a day, on and

off for 34 years before I bought a refillable type device just to use

in my car, and within two weeks, I had switched. Is that because you

thought, I have got to stop smoking? At the time, I wasn't looking to

quit. I just thought the device to use in my car. I had tried to give

up several times before, and several times successfully, but giving up

smoking is the easy bit, the hard bit is staying off them, not going

back to it. Joanna, the question mark in my head about e-cigarettes

is, are they still addictive, and don't they contain nicotine? So is

this progress? Elektra next ago Reds do contain codeine. These days you

can also get a electronic cigarettes without nicotine or with extremely

low nicotine content. Ashworth and electronic cigarettes do contain

nicotine. I would say that with time, they could move on to lower

doses. What is wrong with cold turkey, just quit? It is quite a

difficult thing, and you also experience withdrawal symptoms from

withdrawing from nicotine. There is evidence to suggest that if you

consider may be having some help in quitting smoking in terms of coming

to a clinic like the Stop Smoking service that I work out, and you

have behavioural support, that can help you more successfully quit

smoking, and if you have different types of medication, or nicotine

replacement products along the way, that can increase your chances even

further. John, do you think the Government should promote

e-cigarettes if the health risks are so much less? Should they actually

aggressively say, think about changing. We would like to see a

change in the way that all nicotine products are regulated and

recommended by Governments and health authorities in such a way

that the pressure is always to move away from smoking tobacco. If you

are going to use nicotine, inhaling tobacco smoke is the most dangerous

way you could possibly do it, so we want to encourage people to switch,

ideally to medicinal products and behavioural support, but if that

doesn't work for them or they don't feel ready for that, then an

electronic cigarette. Do you know how many people use e-cigarettes? Is

it a tiny number of smokers, or is it beginning to build up? There are

over 2 million... 2 million? ! To varying degrees. There are 9 million

smokers. It would be good if the figure was higher. And Sarah, do you

suppose there were over, time when you just take the e-cigarette, chuck

it out and give it couple together, or are you now addicted to that? I

was always dependent on nicotine, so I probably still am, but the

dependency is lower, but answer your question, I think probably for me,

it wouldn't be the right thing to do to ditch my e-cigarette, because

past six periods of quitting tells me that then I will relapse probably

to smoking. I presume you have tried patches, gum, any use? Know, and

every time I gave up with any degree of success, it was cold turkey, I

have to say. Joanna, if e-cigarettes are the way to get people off

smoking, and 2 million, I am surprised at the figure. Is your

sense that this is the way to crack the issue of smoking addiction and

the health risks that go with it? Is this the answer? I would be

reluctant to say it is the answer. Every person is different, and the

way that they stop smoking should be tailored to their individual needs.

I think they probably find an method, something new on the market

that hasn't been there before, and it most closely mimics the actions

and feelings of smoking, so it can be quite an easy switch. That is the

thing about it, it is the appeal. And there are so varied within

themselves, people can always find something they want. We have some

e-mails to read. Graham says, I was smoking at age 15, I tried to give

up many times using patches and prescribed medicines, but always

went back to them. I finally stopped smoking last May after my daughter

bought me an e-cigarette. And Victoria: I find it unbelievable

that the findings are still showing that e-cigarettes are only used the

people who want to stop smoking. It is my opinion that it has made

smoking acceptable again. That is an interesting point. It might have the

reverse effect, suddenly it is socially OK to have a blast on an

e-cigarette? The evidence is that people who use a electronic

cigarettes are almost entirely people who would otherwise be

smoking. So you could also argue that seeing people using electronic

cigarettes in public places normalising the act of not smoking,

but using an electronic cigarettes. On a risk spectrum, that is a far

less hazardous as thing to see. And this e-mail I thought was

interesting from Tony. Having stopped smoking for the past few

months, I find it really disgusting the e-cigarettes are allowed to be

smoked in public places. I was walking along outside Westminster

the other day, and this guy in front of me was like a steam train with

smoke billowing out of him. Do you find that people actually don't like

it, even though it is an e-cigarette? People do. I think

there is an etiquette needs to develop around this. It is basically

manners. You don't blow stuffing people's faces. I have a little

device on the table there, which is incapable of creating clouds, so I

physically couldn't annoy anybody like that with that, but I have got

devices that will do that, you just have to be careful when and who is

around you when you use it. And another e-mail, we're getting a lot

on this. Julie says, I went from smoking more than 50 a day, goodness

me, to five per day over night when I picked up my first e-cigarette

over two years ago. If vaping were banned or curtailed, I would be back

on the fags as quickly as I dropped them. Joanna, is vaping on the

growth just here, or is this worldwide, that there is now a move

from smoking cigarettes to e-cigarettes? Are way ahead of

everyone else or just in-line? I am not sure about the statistics,

I would say it is quite on the rise in Western countries, I am not sure,

John? UK is well ahead of most countries in the world and we have a

high take-up of e-cigarettes because we haven't had the additions or

other restrictions on their sale. Other countries are close, but some,

Australia for example, prohibit use, and I think that is bad for Public

health in those countries. Very interesting, thank you. We

appreciate it. You've also been sending

us your reaction to this report from a group of MPs that kids

in care with mental health issues Tweet from David -

Every school should have a qualified mental health first aider to support

students with mental health issues. Tweet from Russ -

There are children in care being ignored, their wishes

and feelings denied, this all has an impact

on their mental health. Tweet from Beverley -

Worked with kids in care, requested mental health training

from my employer, retired 18 years Tweet from Misty -

I was a failed looked after child. I got no help then and had

to give my own son counselling Watching discussion on mental

health in care. As a sexually abused victim myself

it's good to see this Tweet from Ness - Good foster

carers are SO important Earlier we heard from Daniel Harris

who spent time in care and has been diagnosed with post to Maddox does

disorder and bipolar disorder. He talked of his experiences with the

system and I asked about the support he had received. I wasn't offered

any. It's quite sad. It's taken me 25 years to get a diagnosis. I've

just gone through a process which many kids who leave care nowadays go

through, you can get access to your historic files, by getting that

access to my historic files, what I found was, is actually written

within my files that there was no funding available, and while this is

historic, I am really worried about some of the cuts that are being

pushed by the government at the moment and how this will affect some

of today's care leavers. What exactly happened to you? I was

sexually abused. My mother and father were previously looked after

children so we were considered a valuable family. Part of the

safeguarding of children is that I was taken into care on a temporary

basis. And this happened throughout my life. But I had a really good

care experience. I had some really good foster parents and I have some

really good memories of that. Daniel mentioned funding, is it bluntly and

issue of resources? We know that in the austerity and there has been

continual cutting back, is it about austerity or awareness? Above, I'd

say, we know that historically mental health has been given 0.7% of

the NHS budget despite the fact that one in three GP visits this for a

mental health issue. Because mental health cannot be seen it is not

considered urgent. This is a organisation called the Foyer in

Braintree, which looks after young adults who are homeless, gives them

a place to sleep, teaches them social skills, cookery, skills for

their resume, that is in danger of being closed by the local council. I

can think of 200 things in Essex that I'd sacrifice before I

sacrificed that. But because most of the time we don't hear from young

people like this disease and to ignore them so well done for having

this young man on the show. Ministers, again and again, stressed

that mental health has been given increased priority so how can this

happen at a time when the government is repeatedly trying to turn the

attention from physical well-being to mental well-being. I think in the

last five years we've seen a tremendous change in society about

attitudes towards mental health. Much greater willingness for people

to talk about it in public and share their stories. That is beginning, I

stress, beginning, to change political attitudes, to get

politicians to see this as a priority but it is hard work to

shift the funding. That is the point we've reached come you cannot talk

in public about mental health being a priority if you don't back up your

actions by the level of funding it attracts. Daniel, you nodding. I've

read the report and I want to stress that it says that 50% of children in

care or leaving care have mental health disorders at the moment. And

these are going pretty much and diagnosed. One thing I saw in the

report which is going the right way is that there is support for looked

after children until the age of 25, pretty much. That is the

recommendation put in place. I am passionate about kids in care

getting the right support. Let's face it, 23% of adult prisoners have

been in care. That's 21,000 people currently in the prison system that

were in care. We need to start asking questions as a society, why

are we allowing this? OK. Facebook's profits have tripled

in the first quarter of 2016, with a big rise in income

from mobile phone advertising credited

with driving its performance. We can talk to Eleni Marouli,

an advertising analyst What is going on here? Facebook is

outpacing all of its peers and showed massive growth in the first

quarter which is traditionally very weak in advertising. Growing to $5.2

billion in advertising revenue, massive growth from mobile if you