27/04/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

# Walk on with hope in your hearts and you'll never walk alone. #.

This morning, the truth is no longer in any doubt.

Liverpool fans were not to blame for the events at

96 fans were unlawfully killed in Britain's worst ever

We'll talk to some of those who've been fighting for justice

Also on the programme, a mum tells us how an epidural

before giving birth to her first child, left her paralysed

I feel very let down actually because I was saying, you know, so

many times that everybody that was around that would come and check,

that this wasn't, nobody was sort of escalating my concerns. Obviously if

that had been acted upon earlier maybe things would have turned out

differently. Watch that exclusive

interview after 10.30am. And a top British cycling

official has been suspended following allegations he made sexist

and derogatory comments to members Throughout the programme we'll bring

you reaction to that inquest ruling into the deaths at Hillsborough

and we really want to hear from you - particularly

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use the hashtag Victoria Live and If you text,

you will be charged Also a little later we'll bring

you the latest in our series ahead of the vote to decide

whether British should remain Each week we're looking

at a new topic and trying to separate the spin, claim

and counter claim from the facts. There are calls for senior police

officers to be held accountable over the Hillsborough disaster

in 1989 in which ninety-six Yesterday, an inquest jury

in Warrington ruled The fans' relatives say officers

should now face Thousands of people are expected

to attend commemorative events These two words have dominated

the Hillsborough families' campaign. Now, they are not just words

for the bereaved families, # With hope

in your heart # And you'll never

walk alone # You'll never walk

alone.# This was the families

response after a jury said their 96 loved ones

were unlawfully killed. On 15th April 1989, they were

fatally injured in a crowd crush. The jurors decided the man in charge

of the police operation was responsible for their manslaughter

by gross negligence. We've been called winging

Scousers and everything, but now people will understand why

we've campaigned for 27 years because we believed

in what we were doing was right and we had to do

this to get justice. There are still two criminal

inquiries. The alleged offences

they are investigating include gross negligence manslaughter,

conspiracy to pervert the course The heads of both inquiries

say their work will be finished After that, prosecutors will decide

whether or not to charge suspects. After 27 years, the families

of those who died have now got What's certain now is as Liverpool

moves into the next part of the story, the names of the ones

they lost will never be forgotten here at the home of the club

they died supporting. It took a long time coming.

Justice has finally prevailed. I think now we can let the 96

truly rest in peace. I think the verdict around

the Liverpool fans being totally exonerated of any blame is more

important than the actual one Last night, as the city of Liverpool

reflected on an historic day, its most famous landmarks saluted

those families whose lives Much more on Hillsborough throughout

the programme. First, Joanna has the rest of the day's news.

Good morning. Junior doctors in England will stage

another full walk-out this morning. This industrial action is the first

time in the history of the NHS that junior doctors have withdrawn

the provision of emergency care. NHS leaders say hospitals coped well

with yesterday's strike. With us now is our correspondent

Catriona Renton who is outside St Thomas' Hospital in Central

London. Well, good morning, you will see the

picket line is starting to get very busy as junior doctors begin their

second day of their all-out strike action. Now yesterday hospitals said

that on the whole the services ran smoothly and in some cases, they

said that actually it was less busy than normal. Now, NHS England say

that 78% of junior doctors in England didn't go to work yesterday.

So around 22% did not cross the picket line, but the BMA say that

only 20% of junior doctors in England are not members of the BMA

anyway. Now we have also heard NHS England say that 113,000

appointments have been affected by the strike action over the last

couple of days and more than 12700 operations are being postponed.

These postponements happened so that clinical people like consultants and

senior nurses can cover for the doctors while they are on strike.

There is a great concern, of course, that this will mean there will be a

surge in demand once the strikes are over because of the backlog, but it

does seem that there is no reconciliation between the

Government and the junior doctors on the near horizon.

Thank you very much, Catriona. British bank Barclays has reported

a 25% fall in profits for the first The company pointed to challenging

market conditions in banking as profits fell from over ?1 billion

to just under ?800 million. Donald Trump has declared himself

the Republican party's nominee for US President after winning

all five of the primaries For the Democrats, Hillary Clinton

won in four states. Our North America correspondent,

Nick Bryant reports. With five big wins in five

north eastern States, Donald Trump crowned himself

the presumptive nominee, a boxer, as he put it,

who'd just knocked out his opponent and didn't need to await

the decision from the referee. The billionaire seemed to be looking

towards the presidential election, attacking the likely Democratic

nominee, who he's taken Frankly, if Hillary Clinton

were a man, I don't think she'd get The only thing she's got

going is the woman's card and the beautiful thing is,

women don't like her, and look how well I did

wwith women tonight. with womebeat Bernie Sanders in four

out of five contests, opening up an insurmountable lead,

and she called for Democrats to come Whether you support Sanders

all you support me, Whether you support

Sanders or you support me, The Democratic race

is all Donald Trump's boasts, that can't yet be said

the Republican contest. Supermarkets have been criticised

for unclear pricing when it The Competition and Markets

Authority says that multi-buys and money-off deals

weren't always genuine. It specifically urged Asda to change

the way it advertises promotions. The announcement follows a complaint

by the consumer group Which?. British Cycling has suspended

its technical director, Shane Sutton, while an investigation

takes place into allegations Mr Sutton joined the sport's

governing body as a coach in 2002. He has been accused of sexism by one

rider and is reported to have made derogatory

comments about para-cyclists. Urgent action is needed to stop up

to 50,000 people a year dying early from air pollution-related

illnesses, according The Environment, Food

and Rural Affairs Committee says clean air zones are needed in dozens

of English towns and cities to cut Five cities are to get the zones

which they can charge The Government says all

councils have the powers We need to do more and I think we

probably need to make sure that those dirtiest of vehicles don't get

in. Delivery vans need to be changed. Lorries and others. We are

cleaning up our cities, but because we have so many vehicles, because we

need so many goods brought into the centre of cities this is where we

have a problem. The technology giant, Apple,

has reported its first fall Quarterly income is down 13%,

compared to the same There has been a sharp dip in sales

of Apple's signature product, the iPhone, for the first time

since it was launched in 2007. That's a summary of

the latest BBC News. Back to Victoria.

It is time for the sport and here is Hugh. It is going to be a busy

morning of sport. We have got a special guest with us. It is the

Commonwealth Gold Medallist, Vicky Holland, she is here as we countdown

to Rio, just 100 days to go. This time, you will be a real contender.

26th in London. How are your preparations going? Yes, the

preparations are going well. I have already qualified. So I will be on

the plane to Brazil and the preparations are geared around that

one day now. This whole season is about that one day in August. We

will talk about the Commonwealth Games because you won a gold medal

alongside the Brownlee brothers, how much have you and the likes of the

Brownlees increased the profile of the sport, has it surprised you? A

lot of it is down to those boys. Credit has to be given to them, the

way they won two medals in London captured the nation. The all the

fans of Team GB are getting behind Great Britain and it is great to

know that the boys started that. You were telling me earlier you have got

back from Cape Town. What's it like basically competing against a friend

regularly? It is a strange set-up, but it does really work for us. We

are housemates, team-mates, training partners, great friends on top of

that and we're good at leaving the training and the racing at the door.

We come home and it is just about, let's make dinner and let's sit down

and watch TV together, it is not about going over and over the day's

events. Jodie Simpson is a Commonwealth champion, but won't be

at Rio later in the summer. What do you make of the qualification for

triathlon, do you think she should have been there? I think

qualification is incredibly difficult, but we are in a fortunate

position in Great Britain that we have four girls who could all on

their day come home with medals from the Olympic Games. The criteria was

set so in 2015 you had to podium twice at two major events and then

the other criteria was to perform at the Gold coast event in April this

year, that was the event that Helen Jenkins won which qualified her that

third spot. Jodie could win a medal on her day, but unfortunately at the

races she needed to perform to qualify, she wasn't at her best. I

wanted to ask you before we go, a question about Shane Sutton, you may

have seen the story today. He is suspended after allegations of

discrimination, but what's it like for athletes in triathlon, is there

a route for you to report discrimination to UK Sport? Well,

for triathlon, it is very different. I can't comment so much on cycling,

it is not a sport I'm involved with, but with triathlon, I have been

really blessed to be in a sport that has been a pioneer for equal rights.

We don't have different races for the men and the women. We don't have

different distances. All the pay is equal and the prize money is equal

and that's something, you know, is a testament to our sport and I hope

other sports will bring that on too. Brilliant. Vicky, thank you very

best of luck in Riio. Just 100 days best of luck in Riio. Just 100 days

to go, I will be back with the headlines at 9.30am, but we will be

looking at the new Team GB kit. There is lots to look forward to

this morning. A couple of messages from Ian and it

is about the events of yesterday. There have been few more moving

sights than the families of the 96 singing after the inquest yesterday.

The Crown Prosecution Service must now act, not in revenge, but out of

public interest and solidarity after 27 years." This e-mail from Martin,

"It is disgusting that The Sun newspaper which printed front page

after page blaming the fans for the disaster cannot find room on its

front page for the story." The truth is in no longer in doubt, the world

knows what the relatives of the 96 who died in Britain's worst ever

sporting disaster that everyone who died on 15th April had been

unlawfully killed and Liverpool supporters were blameless. The

inquests into the deaths of those who perished during the FA Cup

semifinal between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest found that the

police, the Ambulance Service, Sheffield Wednesday football club

all made mistakes which contributed to the disaster.

So, an eight day a sunny day at Hillsborough, the stage is set for a

rerun of last year's classic. The teams have just left the field,

taken away by the referee. The trouble away to our left where there

is enclosure unliveable supporters. They came over the top of the fence

away to the left at the moment. There must be some 200 people on the

pitch. An ambulance has just come into the stadium and is making its

way through a vast crowd of people. There would seem to be dozens of

people lying on the ground and being attended to by police and St John's

ambulance. I saw two oxygen cylinders being carried. Some of the

people at the back from sheer fear are trying to climb up into the

upper tier once more. I have now seen 15 stretchers carrying bodies

away, alive I must stress, and they are ripping up advertising boards

because they are running out of stretchers. I can see a nurse has

been giving the kiss of life to one young fan who looks in deep stress.

I have doctored John Phillips with me. One chap I went to was

technically dead, he had no heartbeat, we managed to get his

heart beating, but I don't know what the state of his cerebral function

will be light. The sun is shining now and Hillsborough is quiet. The

gymnasium here at Hillsborough is being used as a mortuary for the

dead. And stewards, just as they did at the stadium, have cartons and

paperbacks, and they are gathering up the personal belongings of the

spectators, some of whom have died, some of whom are now in nearby

hospitals, and the red and white scarves of Liverpool and red and

white bobble hats of Liverpool, and red and white rosettes of Liverpool,

and nothing else out in the enclosure where all the deaths

occurred, and the sun shines now. After the inquest, some

of the Hillsborough families sang with relief

and jubilation outside court. # Walk on, walk on with hope in your

heart # And You'll Never Walk Alone

# You'll Never Walk Alone # Walk on, walk on with hope in your

heart # And You'll Never Walk Alone

# You'll Never Walk Alone. CHEERING

On the programme yesterday, we heard from Becky Shah

who lost her mum at Hillsborough, and to Gillian Edwards who was

at the inquest and have now become good friends.

It changes you, unrecognisably, I think, in many ways. And there is no

going back from something like that to how you were. How can there be?

To think what you were going through at home, and to think of your

brother, 13-year-old kid. My mum's friend woke me up and said, there is

a police car outside, and you just know, don't you? And so I went down

and invited him in. He asked me if I was my mum's daughter, and I said

yes. And he said to me that my mum had been fatally injured at the

disaster. I was only 17, and I said to him, the word fatally never

really registered, and I said, is she still alive? And he said, no.

And my world was just in total pieces after that. We can talk to

Becky again today. She is in Liverpool, there is a slight delay

on the line. Thank you for talking to us. Tell us how you are feeling

today. Well, obviously I am feeling very, very pleased with what

happened in court yesterday. The verdict is really couldn't have gone

any better, so we are absolutely delighted that everything we have

been saying for 27 years has finally been proven to be correct. The fans

have proven to be vindicated, totally exhilarated from any blame

whatsoever. The blame is now lying squarely where it belongs, with

South Yorkshire Police, Sheffield Wednesday football club, South

Yorkshire Ambulance Service, and we are absolutely delighted with that.

The only thing that we would say is, it should never, ever have taken us

27 years, almost three decades. Hillsborough has been a part of my

life for over half of my life. And I don't think when you have truth and

justice on your side in a so-called democratic and advanced

industrialised country, that that should either case. I think it is an

absolute disgrace that it has taken us this long, and there are people

who are no longer here, there are families and survivors for whom the

toll has been too much, they have become physically ill or mentally

ill and taken their own lives because of what they have been

through with Hillsborough, because of all the injustice and all the

sneering that we have had to endure for almost three decades. Wide EU

think it has taken so long? I think Hillsborough is not an isolated

case. If you look at Bloody Sunday, look at Orgreave and the miners

strikes, lots of deaths in custody where people have lost loved ones

and no one is ever held accountable, no police officer, no one in

authority has ever been held accountable, and I think it is

institutional. I think we have a culture where, after Stephen

Lawrence and obviously before Stephen Lawrence we had and still do

have institutional racism in the police. There is a culture of

institutional denial where they just don't seem to be able to take any

accountability whatsoever. We are all subject to the law, but they

seem to be above the law, and that needs to change. And that I think

has to be the legacy of Hillsborough going forward. This must never, ever

be allowed to happen again, and we need more accountability and more

transparency with the police and people in authority in this country.

We now know that the match commander on Monday, former Chief

Superintendent David Dukinfield, as people lay dying on the pitch, he

was already telling the head of the Football Association that Liverpool

supporters had broken through that gate. Is that part of the reason why

this false narrative has been maintained for so long, because

those lies were got out there so quickly? Absolutely. I remember I

was watching the match live from start to finish, and I remember

hearing those lies about the gate being broken down, and I just

couldn't believe it, I couldn't believe what I have heard,

basically, that the gates had been broken down. It's just didn't tally

with what I had seen on the TV. I had seen supporters absolutely

distressed, traumatised, injured, dying, people just helping each

other, fans running to tear off advertising hoardings, and then all

of a sudden, I was confronted with this, and I couldn't reconcile what

I had heard with what I had seen. And I totally agree, getting those

lives out so quick only, and then just keeping building on them,

because what came out in the inquest was the police, what they were doing

at four o'clock in the afternoon around Hillsborough, was going

around and getting as many beer cans as they could find from all over the

place and putting them around Hillsborough to make it look as if

the fans had come completely tanked up. So there was a completely false

narrative right from the very, very start, and it became very difficult

to fight those lies. Because we were just so bereaved and traumatised at

what had happened, and then those lies, it was like the second

bombshell, it was unbelievable. I can feel you trying to control your

emotions now, and I totally understand that. Explain to us what

it was that has kept you going for almost three decades. What has kept

me going has been the love for my mamma and the love for my friend

that I lost, and the love for my little brother, my 13-year-old

brother who went to Hillsborough to watch a football match with his mum,

she never came home and he came back a different person. And knowing how

my mum, my friend and all my friends and all my family of Liverpool fans

were smeared, and I knew right from the very start, from the very bottom

of my heart, that this was a complete and total injustice. And I

knew this from before I was old enough to vote, and NUI had to do

something about it, and I had to do it not just for us but to make sure

it doesn't ever happen again. Becky, we are showing our audience a

picture... Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt. What has also kept me

going has been the Hillsborough Justice campaign and people like

Sheila Coleman who has been absolutely fantastic, the love and

support we have got from the people in this city, Liverpool, has been

fantastic. This wouldn't have happened in another city, I am not a

Scouser, but I am so proud of what the city of Liverpool has achieved,

and my mum is here, her ashes are here, and I could be any prouder, I

love this city, and that is what has kept me going. We have just shown in

our audience a photograph of your ma'am, smiling and wearing great big

sunglasses, and she looks a happy woman. -- your mum. She was very

weak and fun loving, she had a great sense of humour, she loved a laugh.

-- very upbeat and fun loving. She also had a serious side, she liked

to read books and discuss politics and world affairs. I learned an

awful lot from my mum about the world and just general knowledge

about life, and she was more than a mother to me, she was a very special

friend who will never, ever be replaced. You have been magnificent,

as have the other relatives. We appreciate your time, thank you.

Thank you very much, and thank you for having me on. Becky talking

about her mum. From Mike, there will be no justice in the Hillsborough

case until those responsible are held to account. And from Sarah,

let's highlight the Dignity family and friends have had over the last

27 years. You deserve this now. And from Paul, how about a focus on the

southern times newspapers that glossed over the Hillsborough story

today. -- the Son and Times newspapers. The sun does repeat its

apology inside, and they remind readers they made an apology a few

years ago. And this from Don, an excellent day for football, time to

prosecute the people who got it so seriously wrong, justice for the 96.

If you want to get in touch, you are very welcome.

Still to come: Each week we are trying to separate the claim

counterclaim from actual fact when it comes to how to vote on the

referendum. Today we are looking at immigration. And the top British

cycling official has been suspended following allegations he made sexist

and derogatory comments to members of the GB cycling team. He denies

the claims. We will bring you the details on top to a member of the

British Paralympic team who he allegedly called a imp.

Here is Joanna with a summary of the day's news. There are growing calls

for senior police officers to be held accountable for the

Hillsborough disaster. Yesterday an inquest jury ruled that

all 96 Liverpool fans Thousands of people are expected

to attend commemorative events Two criminal investigations

into the disaster and its aftermath are ongoing and could finish

by the end of 2016. Becky's mother died at Hillsborough,

and she said she was relieved the victims were no longer being blamed.

We are absolutely delighted that everything we have been saying for

27 years has finally been proven to be correct. The fans have proven to

be vindicated, totally exoneration from any blame whatsoever. The blame

is now lying squarely where it belongs.

Junior doctors in England will stage another full walk-out this morning.

It's the second time in the history of the NHS that they have withdrawn

the provision of emergency care as part of their industrial action.

NHS leaders say hospitals coped well with yesterday's strike.

The Health Secretary, Jeremy Hunt, said the Government will not be

blackmailed. Today's action runs from 8am to 5pm.

British bank Barclays has reported a 25% fall in profits for the first

The company pointed to challenging market conditions in banking

as profits fell from over ?1 billion to just under ?800 million.

Donald Trump has won Republican presidential

primaries in five US states, while for the Democrats Hillary

Mr Trump called himself the Republican nominee

Mrs Clinton also made gains in the Democrat race,

but was denied a clean sweep by rival Bernie Sanders who won

British Cycling has suspended its technical

director, Shane Sutton, while an investigation takes place

Mr Sutton joined the sport's governing body as a coach in 2002.

He has been accused of sexism by one rider and is reported to have

made derogatory comments about para-cyclists.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

See you then. This text from Brendan, "At last justice for the

96, Liverpool, its fans and may The Sun newspaper hang its head in

shame." It is time for the sport now and here is Hugh.

Manchester City boss Manuel Pellegrini says his side

will have "nothing to fear" when they travel to the Bernabeu

next Wednesday for the second leg of their Champions League

City shared a goalless draw with ten time winners Real Madrid

at home last night - thanks largely to a great

goalkeeping display from England's Joe Hart.

China's Ding Junhui thrashed two-time winner Mark Williams 13-3

to become the first man into the semi-finals of this year's

World number one Mark Selby leads qualifier

Ellie Simmonds and Bethany Firth broke their own world records

as they secured more Rio qualification standards

Coming up after 10am, we'll speak to the former

World Heavyweight Champion of the World Wladimir Klitschko.

This is from the Office of National Statistics. It is about the UK

economy and in the first three months of 2016, so the first three

months of this year, the UK economy grew by a little bit, 0.4%. But that

is down from 0.6% in the last few months of 2015. That just in from

the Office for National Statistics. At the start of this year, the first

three months of this year, the UK economy grew by 0. .4%, that's down

from 0.6%. That's from the Office for National Statistics.

It's now less than two months until you get to decide

whether Britain should remain in the European Union or leave.

Chances are you're a little bit frustrated

at the huge amount of spin, claim and counter-claim and lack

of facts that make it really hard to try and make a decision.

Each week on this programme we're trying to break down the key issues

and bring you facts in plain English so that you can make

We've already looked at the economy and jobs,

Our political guru Norman Smith has all the facts and figures.

Thank you very much indeed. Well, I guess immigration is one of the most

emotive and highly charged issues in this referendum campaign. Why? Well,

because the numbers just seem going up and up. We had the Chancellor,

just the other day inadvertently conceding that the number of

migrants come to go Britain would go up by three million by 2030. Think

of that, three million is equivalent to three cities the size of

Birmingham. Three Broms, that's an awful lot. Let's get the facts and

figures. So here is my, what I'm calling my traffic light of truth. I

put it on green for go because it does seem all systems go on

immigration at the moment with 323,000 more people coming to

Britain last year than left. And of those, 172,000 were from other

countries in the European Union. Why were they coming here? Well, 58% of

them were coming because they already had a job to come to. The

rest, the remaining 42%, well they came here, looking for work. What do

the Brexiters, those who want to leave say about this? I have turned

my traffic light of truth to red because they want to clamp down on

those numbers. Why? Because they say the pressure it puts on jobs and

services, getting your kid a place in school becomes harder. Getting on

the housing ladder, that too becomes much more difficult. They also say

we have got to get control of our borders. At the moment we can't

decide who comes in. It is a matter of sovereignty and lastly they say,

it is about security. If we don't know who is coming in then

potentially you could criminal gangs and terrorists able to come in and

they argue the only way to tackle this is to leave the European Union

so we're not bound by their rules on free movement which means any

European or member of the EU can travel anywhere else in the European

Union. This is what their main man Boris Johnson said about it.

It was never engraved in stone before 1991 or so that somebody

coming to this country from another EU country could arrive without a

job, you know, there was always a sense that workers could move

around, but you had to have a job. When I went to work in the Continent

in the late 80s you had to go to the commune and present your papers and

show what you were doing and so on. The idea that people just arrive,

that is a relatively new development. We were asking for some

modest restrictions to that and it is perfectly clear from what the

Home Secretary says, that we have got no prol whatsoever. It is time

it take back control. Let's look at the remain. I turned

our traffic light to amber. What would happen to the NHS if we didn't

have the nurses? Migrants from the EU, they say, also boost business.

They come here, they pay taxes, they create businesses which employ

people. They are good for the economy. Lastly, what about Brits

abroad? Around one million Brits live in other EU countries. What on

earth would happen to them if we said no to EU migrants coming here?

Theresa May, the Home Secretary, who is campaigning to stay in the EU

said this week on the Andrew Marr programme there is no silver bullet

when it comes to tackling immigration. I understand why people

are concerned about immigration. They're concerned about immigration

because it has an effect on public services, on jobs and that's why it

is important for us to control immigration, but as I say, control

immigration is hard. We have to keep working at it. That's exactly what

we're doing. If you look at membership of the European Union, if

we were to be outside the European Union, and have some of the

arrangements these Visa and our own controls? If you just let me finish

this point. If we were to be outside the European Union and still want

the sort of access to the single market that people talk about then

actually if you look where that's being done for other countries, they

have to accept the free movement rules without any say over those

rules. Well, so much for the politicos. We had a poll the other

day which showed that 46% of people thought the most important issue

facing us was immigration and the economy which I guess many people

might think would be the most important issue. Only 25% of thought

that was really the key issue, but here is a funny thing - at the same

time, the same questions asked by another polling company and well,

they seem to come up with exactly the opposite sort of answers. They

found out that 47% of people thought it was the economy that was the most

important issue. 24% thought immigration was the big one. What

does it tell us? Well, I guess it tells us to approach opinion polls

with a long stick, but I think it tells us something else Vic and that

is that people's attitude and opinion on immigration shifts and

sways. It moves around, maybe in part in response to the news how

high immigration is up the news agenda and significantly, just a few

weeks before we go to that critical vote on the referendum we will get

the latest figures on migration and they show a big leap upwards, that

could be bad news for Mr Cameron and those battling to keep Britain

inside the European Union. STUDIO: Cheers, Norman.

Let's talk to two business people with different views.

Margaret Wood, an award winning scientist and business founder,

and member of the Institute of Engineering and Technology,

who thinks Britain would be better off remaining in the EU.

And Pasha Khandaker, the President of the UK

Bangladesh Caterers Association, who has worked in the UK curry

He thinks Britain should leave the EU.

You are An immigrant yourself. How concerned are you about the levels

of immigration in Britain? I'm very much concerned. Our immigration in

general is fine, but I'm very much concerned about the European Union

immigrations. So you want to leave the European Union because you think

Britain would be able to have reduced levels of migration from the

EU? Definitely. Like we just listened, that's nearly about three

million people coming from the European Union. By 2030 according to

the Treasury. If it is 300,000 people for the last year, I can see

because I live in Kent, and the most of the people coming that way, I can

see how it is affecting my business and affecting the stand of my daily

life and I believe if we are coming out from the European Union, not

only the economic side, the immigration side, we can control it

nicely and we could have a better life without European Union

immigration. Margaret, what impact do you think there would be on

levels of migration if Britain voted to leave the European Union? You're

right Victoria, immigration is such a contentious issue I think it

wouldn't make any difference. People will still come to this country.

Pasha came to this country and made a huge success out TV it. We've just

had the president of the United States who has come to this country,

whether you agree with him or not, the United States of America was

largely built up on immigration. A lot of people coming from Europe as

it was and going into the United States, being successful and

building an economy that is number one in the world at this moment in

time. Do you not think the levels of net migration to this country are

too high at the moment? No. I think what we're finding people coming in,

I work a lot with the institution of engineering and technology. We have

a shortage of engineers, of people wanting to work in the engineering

and manufacturing industry. And we have some really skilled people

wanting to come and contribute into the economy of this country. I mean,

we've got the wonderful Crossrail here. Engineering provides such an

important part of the UK economy and sometimes it is overlooked. We focus

our attentions around the service industry, the banking industries,

but we need our engineers. We need to create the infrastructure. Why

can't you get skilled engineers from somewhere else in the world? We can,

but we are in a club. We're -- 43 years ago, we voted to go into the

European Union. I, Victoria, was sceptical, I have seen the

difference. I live, my business is up in Yorkshire. I have seen that

the EU has made a difference to Yorkshire. In terms of regeneration.

We lost a lot of the traditional industries and with that, there was

a lot of unemployment, what we're seeing is the north starting to

regaen rate itself and indeed, our Prime Minister talks about the

Northern powerhouse. Now then, we need that investment back in. Give

us the tools and let us do the job. OK, am I right in thinking that you,

I mean you say you're concerned about levels of immigration in this

country, but you would like more immigrants from other parts of the

world, ie India and Bangladesh because there is a shortage of chefs

in Britain's curry houses? What I'm saying, I'm greg with Margaret. My

father fought in the Second World War and I am proud to be an

immigrant and I am proud to live in this country. Britain has got 12,000

curry houses. We contribute ?2.4 billion to the British economy. Why

can't you get the chefs from ind la and back derb? Because of the

European immigrants. It led to the numbers we have got from the EU? Too

much migration pressure. But the last lot of net migration figures

showed me had more immigrants from outside of the EU than from inside

the EU? At the moment what is going on which is not right, the figures

are not right. If you look at the immigration policy. If you look at

the unfair policy, think about to get hold of a chef from abroad, you

have got to pay him ?40,000 and he has got to speak English. If I got

married in Bangladesh and my wife wants to come to this country, she

has to speak English. I am a British citizen. In my son does the same

thing t happened to him. We are employing so many European Union

people in our curry industries. We are finding problems. They don't

adjust to the culture. They are don't love to work in this industry,

the language problems, many, many problems they are facing. My

question is - like here in Kent, at the GP service we are using at the

moment, if you want to book a GP, it is about three to four weeks

backlogs. Do you accept that, Margaret? There

are two reasons people say we need to reduce levels of immigrants in

this country, pressure on infrastructure, school places, GP

services, hospitals. And also the fact that the number of EU migrants

are depressing wages for British people? We have a minimum wage, and

you cannot builder and economy on cheap labour any more. It has got to

be high-tech. That is where engineering and technology come in.

We need to bring in the people that are going to make the economy,

evolve it, going forward. But no, I don't agree. Do you accept, which is

what the Leave campaign is saying, that the only way to control

immigration into Britain is by leaving the European Union? No, we

too often blame the youth. It is about our own Government controlling

our borders. -- we too often blame the EU. We can't always control the

borders because of the EU freedom of movement. You are right, it is the

free movement of labour, but by the same token, British people can go to

the EU and work there. I know a lot of people, a lot of friends, who

work in the U, from Brussels, we go down to Portugal a lot. It is a very

small island. Can we accommodate all those people if they all come back?

I don't want to see thousands of European people coming and working

with me, but I don't want to lose my right, I don't want a housing queue

for five years, I don't want to see my business suffering for a skilled

chef because of unskilled labour. Were people saying that about you

and your family when you came to Britain in 1970? No, because we had

enough space, and the British needed us to be here and we contributed

properly. My father was a Second World War fighter, he came to fight

for this country's liberation. I came here to join him to build the

economy. Thank you very much for coming on the programme, both of

you. Still to come: We will continue to bring you more reaction from

Liverpool. After ten, you will hear an interview with a man who lost his

18-year-old son in the disaster, and so many of you getting in touch with

us about our interview with Becky, whose mum was killed all those years

ago. Kirsty says, Becky who lost her mum at Hillsborough, incredible to

say that she knew this was an injustice before she was old enough

to vote. And Lynn, what an eloquent, why is young woman Becky Shah is.

And this tweet from Dalton, a great interview with Becky, whose mother

died at Hillsborough. What a brave, articulate young woman. Thank you

for those, do keep them coming in. British Cycling has suspended

its top boss over claims he made derogatery remarks

to several athletes. Shane Sutton is accused of telling

Olympic cyclist Jess Varnish that she should "go and have a baby"

after her contract was not renewed, and accused of calling

members of the paralympic We will talk to one of those

Paralympic cyclists before 11. Shane Sutton, who helped

mentor Sir Chris Hoy and Sir Bradley Wiggins to Olympic

glory before taking over the top role in British cycling,

denies all the allegations. Doctor Michael Hutchinson

is a former Team GB What do you think about these

claims? They are serious allegations, it is not the way you

can run a squad in a modern environment. We need to get the

bottom of it. He denies he has done anything wrong. Do you believe Jess

Varnish and members of the para- cycling team? I don't wish to sound

like I am dodging the question, because I am not. I want to see what

they come up with in the internal investigation. This sort of cycling,

this sort of team is very forlorn, high pressured environment, and a

lot of blunt talking goes on, and a lot of that is near some of the

lines you have to be careful along. -- this sort of team is very full

on. There is blunt talking in terms of, that was poor, you need to do

better, and then there is, go and have a baby. Yes, one of them is one

side of the line, and the other is the other side, and that is why an

investigation needs to look at it. Shane has denied making these

remarks, but he hasn't really told us anything about the conversations

that they supposedly came up in, and I would like to hear about that. The

fact is this is created a serious problem for British cycling at

precisely a point when they don't want it. It is 100 days before the

Rio games. He is the top man in British cycling, he took over from

Sir Dave Brailsford. How might this impact on the team? They currently

have their head coach and technical director suspended, that will affect

the entire team in terms of cord mating how the team works, how the

coaches work, all of the athletes. That takes them away from their

athletes, one of the other coaches having to be in charge. And if that

becomes permanent, they have to deal with that is an ongoing issue

running into Rio, adding that the point where you want the most stable

possible teams the athletes who are on the squad know that someone is in

charge, someone is looking after it, they have an environment that they

are familiar with and the coaches are familiar with. So it is

potentially a serious problem for GB, and they are under a certain

amount of pressure in the run-up to the Olympics anyway. Thank you for

talking to us, Shane Sutton denies the allegations. We did ask Jess

Varnish for an interview, she says he told her to go and have a baby,

but she is on a flight to Australia. A civil rights campaigner who was

exposed the lying about identity say she was forced back into the closet

as something that she doesn't identify with. Rachel Dolezal

identified as black, but it was revealed that she was the child of

white parents. She has been talking to HARDtalk's Stephen Sackur about

how her life has changed. You have been through the most

tumultuous, difficult year. You have in certain sections of the American

media been vilified, you have lost friends. Explain to me what life is

like for you today. Certainly is too is different than it was a year ago,

the same time. It is different in that I am not able to do the same

work that I was doing, which was very active in racial and social

justice. And to remind people who don't know, you were president of

the spoke any Washington state chapter the advancement of coloured

people, absolutely at the centre of local civil rights issues. Right, in

an unpaid position, along with the other on paid position I was in at

the time, the chair of police ombudsman commission for the city

for police account -- accountability, another race issue.

I was Professor of black studies at Eastern Washington University, and

also I was writing for the inland. And you lost all of those positions.

How do you make money today? To be honest, I am running right up to the

end of my unemployment, and have just secured a book deal, so I will

be writing through the summer. But it has been very tight circumstances

financially for the last year. To the outsider like me, it seems in a

sense of straightforward. You lost all of those positions, and you ran

into a storm of controversy, because you had passed yourself off as

something you were not, that is a black American woman activist, when

obviously you were a woman activist, but it seems you were not black in

the way people thought you were. I guess some people treated, treated

the media expose a about my identity. When your back story came

out? Yes, as an outing, like I was outed as a white woman. Personally

how I experienced it was it was more not coming out, but being put back

in the closet, but a closet with glass walls. It was the world being

told that I was something that I'm not, though I don't identify as. So

I felt it is not the entire world's business who my biological parents

were, how I was born, or what my childhood story was. That is Rachel

Dolezal to talking to HARDtalk's Stephen Sackur.

Coming up: We'll hear the shocking story of how complications

during an epidural left a new mother paralysed.

Lets get the latest news and sport in just a second. But first:

Let's get the latest weather update with Carol.

We have had everything with the weather, haven't we? Even just this

morning we have had a right array of weather. Doesn't it look beautiful?

You don't have to drive in it, then it is nice to look at! Author in

Scotland, you can see the variety, blue skies, lying snow. If you are

in the sunshine and out of the wind, it does feel white nice, but in the

wind, very cold. As we come a little further south, we don't have the

snow, but look at Gloucester, that is the kind of picture you want to

see. And I have another one, we are not done just yet. Is this the kind

of whether you like, crisp and cold? I don't like it to be too cold, I

would like the temperature to go up a little bit, I am wearing tights

under my jeans and it is nearly me! Too much information! I'm using my

words wisely here, but let's get on with this. What we have today is a

mixture, as Victoria rightly said, it is cold outside. We still have a

bit of wind going on, not as strong as yesterday, and wintry showers, a

mixture of rain, sleet, hail and also some snow on the hills, and

today for good measure, we are throwing in this afternoon some

thunder and lightning. A lot of blue skies around as we have seen from

those lovely pictures. If anything, the cloud will build through the

course of the day, and we will see further showers develop, and as well

as being wintry, there will be thunder and lightning embedded in

them. As we head into the afternoon, we still will have some wintry

showers across Scotland, particularly on the hills. In

between there will be sunshine. For Northern Ireland and northern

England, again it is that mixture of wintry showers, with the snow

predominantly on higher ground, feeling cold if you are exposed to

the wind. There will still be a few showers for Wales in the West, but

for most it will dry and Brighton. As we move through the Midlands into

East Anglia down towards the south coast and Kent, we are back amongst

the showers. Through the evening and overnight, they migrate eastwards

and eventually become confined to Windward Coast. Still a wintry

flavour to them as well, but under clear skies inland, it will be

another cold night. Also the risk of ice on untreated surfaces. We start

with sunshine first thing, and tomorrow it will be another

beautiful start to the day, with a few showers, but thicker cloud will

introduce rain from Northern Ireland through northern England, Wales and

parts of Scotland, and we will also have some snow coming out of that.

Ahead of it, we hang on to the sunshine, and the cloud won't build

on the south-east until later in the evening. Temperatures are around

about 40 Celsius. The snow remains courtesy of this area of low

pressure, and the ice bars remain tightly packed and windy, and

overnight more snow into Scotland, again predominantly we will see some

for a time. We will have rain across the South on and off as we go

through the course of tomorrow morning. This great big curl around

the area of low pressure, snow in north-east Scotland, rain and hill

snow across northern England, possibly heavier burst at lower

levels, rain in the south, but in between, drier and brighter.

It should never ever have taken us 27 years. Almost three decades.

Hillsborough has been a part of my life, but it has been a huge part of

my life. I'm Ben Brown, I will be reporting live from Liverpool. This

evening there will be a special memorial event here at St George's

Hall to remember the 96 people who lost their lives in Hillsborough. We

will talk to the families about their long, persistent and

determined fight for justice. It's the second day

of the first-ever all-out junior doctors' strike in England -

with medics withdrawing both routine and emergency care in protest

at the imposition of a new contract. We'll bring you the

latest on the dispute. Also on the programme,

a mum tells us how an epidural before giving birth to her first

child, left her paralysed I feel very let down actually

because I was saying, you know, so Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news. There are growing calls

for senior police officers to be held accountable

for the Hillsborough disaster. Yesterday an inquest jury ruled that

all 96 Liverpool fans Thousands of people are expected

to attend commemorative events Two criminal investigations

into the disaster and its aftermath are ongoing and could finish

by the end of 2016. Becky Shah's mother

died at Hillsborough. She said the long wait for justice

had taken an immense It is a disgrace that it has taken

us this long and there are people who are no longer here. There are

families and survivors who the toll has become too much. They have

become physically ill or mentally ill and taken their own lives

because of what they have been through with Hillsborough.

Let's go live to Ben Brown. Yes, we are here in Liverpool, a

mood not so much of celebration, but of ind vation many people here feel

by the rulings from the coroners jury yesterday at Warrington

Coroners' Court. The ruling of unlawful killing and today, what we

are seeing here at St George's Hall are 96 lanterns which have been lit

in memory of the 96 people who died. There is a special memorial event

here later on this evening at St George's Hall where players past and

present from Liverpool and Everton football clubs will be among those

paying tributes to the dead. At six minutes past 3pm, the time that the

game at Hillsborough was abandoned, that is when bells across Liverpool

will ring out. Now, many people here are wondering if there will be

criminal charges as a result of the jury's conclusions yesterday and

they may have have to wait a bit longer. They have already had to

wait 27 years for the findings that were returned yesterday, but they

may have to wait up to a year longer for the Crown Prosecution Service to

bring charges if indeed they do and if they do, those charges could

include gross negligence manslaughter, perjury and conspiracy

to pervert the course of justice. Charges potentially against both

individuals and organisations. Junior doctors in England will stage

another full walk-out this morning. This industrial action is the first

time in the history of the NHS that junior doctors have withdrawn

the provision of emergency care. NHS leaders say hospitals coped well

with yesterday's strike. Barclays Bank has reported a 25%

fall in profits for the first The company pointed to challenging

market conditions in banking as profits fell from over ?1 billion

to just under ?800 million. Donald Trump has declared himself

the Republican party's nominee for US President after winning

all five of the primaries For the Democrats, Hillary Clinton

won in four states. Our North America correspondent,

Nick Bryant reports. British Cycling has suspended

its technical director, Shane Sutton, while an investigation

takes place into allegations Mr Sutton joined the sport's

governing body as a coach in 2002. He has been accused of sexism by one

rider and is reported to have made derogatory

comments about para-cyclists. Supermarkets have been

criticised for unclear pricing The Competition and Markets

Authority says that multi-buys and money-off deals

weren't always genuine. It specifically urged Asda to change

the way it advertises promotions. The announcement follows a complaint

by the consumer group Which? Urgent action is needed to stop up

to 50,000 people a year dying early from air pollution-related

illnesses, according The Environment, Food

and Rural Affairs Committee says clean air zones are needed in dozens

of English towns and cities to cut Five cities are to get the zones,

which they can charge The Government says all

councils have the powers The technology giant, Apple,

has reported its first fall Quarterly income is down 13%,

compared to the same There's been a sharp dip in sales

of Apple's signature product, the iPhone, for the first time

since it was launched in 2007. That's a summary of

the latest BBC News. So many of you getting in touch

regarding the conclusion of the Hillsborough inquests. Michael said,

"Surely it is time to find out how much the Government of the day new

about the cover-up." Stewart Young says, "I'm going to give Jeremy Kyle

a go. I can't stand the rhetoric of Hillsborough on your programme."

Another viewer says, "Tears are running down my face. Those who were

responsible need to be prosecuted of the there is no more getting away

it." Do get in touch with us

throughout the morning - use the hashtag Victoria Live

and If you text, you will be charged You tweeted eek because of your next

guest. You're not scared, are you Hugh? You have got to be prepared

fob these situations. Now we have a very

special guest right now. Wladimir Klitschko the former

Heavyweight Champion of the World joins us now in Manchester today

promoting his summer fight What are your thoughts? This is my

first time in Manchester. Wet went to the soccer game last night and it

was amazing to see the atmosphere and meet people from Manchester. I'm

feeling great, finally we are getting to the stage with the first

press conference before Fury before our rematch on 9th July which is

great to know it is happening because I was thinking, is that

going to happen or not? Now between the European soccer Cup and the

Olympic Games we got the date, the television date 9th July. The fight

will be staged here in Manchester and I'm looking forward to fighting

on British soil. You are 40 years old. So what's the fight about? Is

it pride? Is it revenge? Why the rematch? It's revenge. I made a

mistake. I made a mistake. 11-and-a-half years a I lost. It was

good. I'm enjoying the place and what is happening with me right now

is not being a champion and I'm taking this challenge seriously and

I'm on a mission to get my titles back. One of those titles which you

lost to Tyson Fury has gone to Anthony Joshua. What would you make

of a fight with him. It has been an incredible rise. A champion after 16

fights? As soon as Tyson fury got the titles, one got last. I'm glad

Anthony Joshua got the title. I have always been a fan of Anthony Joshua.

I met him at my training camp in Austria. He is a taent Liberal

Democrat guy and I'm glad he won the title. And what if you lose to Tyson

Fury this summer, you probably haven't contemplated it. Would that

be the end of your boxing career? I'm not going to lose against Tyson

Fury. Otherwise I wouldn't stand here if I think I will lose against

Tyson Fury. I will conquer Tyson Fury in the ring on 9th July. Watch

me! He will say the opposite. Did you under estimate him in the first

fight because he performed very well? Well, I made a mistake. I was

physically there, but mentally I wasn't in the ring and you could see

it. I even let my hands go, how simple is that? Why against Tyson

tury after all these years? I was not present in the ring mentally.

But I will on 9th July. Mentally what's changed? After always

defending the titles, it's something that you have in your life, in your

life, boxing, it was for many years defending my titles, defending

titles. Conquering the man that is standing in front of me, that's what

I didn't do. I was defending the titles. So the hunger is back? The

hunger is back. What's the message for Tyson Fury and his fans before

the fight? Where is the camera? See the strongest one, Klitschko on 9th

July in Manchester and enjoy my win. Is it clear enough? Yes, it is a

clear message. Victoria, it is back to you.

STUDIO: See, he wasn't scary at all, was he? My heart was going a bit!

Good morning, thank you for tuning in.

It has taken 27 years to get answers, but yesterday the loved

ones of those who died in the Hillsborough stadium disaster

got the answers they'd been waiting for.

That everyone who died had been unlawfully killed, and that

Liverpool football fans were entirely blameless.

The inquests into the deaths of those who died during that 1989

FA Cup semi-final between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest found that

police had made mistakes, and these contributed

96 men, women and children died in a crush at the stadium

Throughout the programme this morning, we've been hearing

Let us talk to Barry Devonside whose 18-year-old son Christopher

died at Hillsborough, kept a video diary

during those inquests which lasted over two years.

My name is Barry. We lost our son Christopher on 15th April 1989.

Chris was our only son and he was 18 years old. As far as we are

concerned, he was a diamond to be around with and we loved him so

much. And we miss him every day. Come the Thursday prior to the

match, he asked me two times could he go and I said on each owication,

no. I said I don't want you go there, it is not safe. He came back

a third time and I don't know, I will never know why I said yes.

I wanted to make my way to where we said we would all meet up. All I

wanted to see was our Chris and he was brought in a black bag and they

opened the bag up and they opened the top of the bag so I had a clear

vision of his face. I bent down to give him a kiss on his head and this

police officer pulled me back. I shoved him away. How dare you invade

my space at the worst moment of my life. A dreadful, dreadful

situation, you go to a football match with your son and you don't

take him home. For quite a while now since we lost

our son Christopher, I have had a serious problem sleeping. I would

get up at 1am and 2am and stop up all night. These current inquests

have been going very slowly. It has now been getting beneath my skin and

affecting my sleep pattern. I left an hour earlier today because I was

finding it very, very difficult to deal with.

I know that my son Christopher was on top of four other bodies which

had been piled on top of each other. So you can imagine how difficult it

is to listen to this kind of thing. Our only son was laid down on his

back in a penalty area and today, the 31st March we were told that he

could have been alive, could have been alive, for at least an hour. We

have no evidence that anybody tried to save his life.

All we've got is memories of our lovely, lovely lad and an excellent

son. Thank you. Well, Barry is in Liverpool for us this morning along

with Dr John who was at the game that day and helped some of the

people affected. Barry, you know, listening to that, it is almost

futile to say it to you, but I'm going to say it to you anyway, we

are so, sorry for your loss, it is unbelievable still, isn't it?

It is, each and every family who have lost body, is dreadful. The

people I have got to know over the years attending all of the inquests,

all of the people loved the family or the person that never came home

from Hillsborough. In our case, as I said on the diary there, Christopher

never, ever caused us a problem. I don't want to be a biased ad, to be

seen in that way, but he never caused us a problem. He was a

pleasure to have around, and we loved him dearly. When the police

asked me to identify Chris, as I have just mentioned there, a police

officer tried to stop me from bending down to kiss him on the

forehead, and I pushed him away, and when I bent down to kiss him, he was

still very, very slightly warm, and within two minutes, I am facing two

police officers asking me questions, who do identify? And I said, it was

Christopher Barry Devonside, and they said, how did you travel here

today, and I said, I came by car, and I said what has that got to do

with identification? He said, we want to know about everybody's day

together. Did you stop off and have a meal and have a drink? What has

that got to do with identification? They asked me five direct questions,

and I gave them exactly the same answer, and I knew then, with my

brother-in-law and our kid, that the cover-up had already started, and

that's how the families have been treated for the last 27 years. And

you were there every single day of the inquest? I've not missed any one

of the 80 days, and myself and Steve Bright, somebody who lost his

brother, he and I have done somewhere around 320. The answered

your question is we have never missed a day regarding the last one.

We have to be there, we want to hear the sky will as lies of the police

officers who painted a picture, tainted Liverpool supporters in the

worst possible life because they were trying to cover-up the mistakes

that they made, and that is why families have stayed steadfast, and

where you have people, a large group of people, standing together,

shoulder to shoulder, you have solidarity. Where you have

solidarity, you have immense strength, and that is what the

families have done. Stick together and fight against the South

Yorkshire Police. Some people watching won't know that you

approached former Chief Superintendent David Dukinfield

during the inquest to talk to him. Tell our audience what you said to

him. He had just finished being on the witness stand for six and a half

days, and I went out of court, it was a sunny day, and there was a

considerable number of families outside, and I saw him walking up

the corridor with two minders, his wife and another lady. I didn't plan

to do anything, I saw the opportunity and I walked towards

him. The two minders that he had stepped forward as though I was

going to cause a problem. I said, I just want to speak with Mr

Dukinfield. I said, my name is Barry Devonside, can you tell me why you

kept my wife and daughter and every other family waiting for 27 years

before you tell the truth? He stepped forward and said, Mr

Devonside, I can only apologise. I said, is that the best you can do

after 27 years? He said, yes, and I just turned and walked away. I got

the apology. He is an absolute disgrace to humanity as well as the

South Yorkshire Police, and his behaviour and the behaviour of other

police officers has to be brought to book. It cannot end with what

happened yesterday, it must be carried forward and the Crown

Prosecution Service should bring serious charges against a lot of

those police officers. John Ashton, can I bring you in? You saw the

disaster unfold, you understood some of the failings on that day. What

did you realise was happening on that afternoon? It was immediately

apparent that the emergency response was totally inadequate, and I had to

assume responsibility behind the Leppings Lane stand for initiating

the triage of the casualties to make sure that those who stood a chance

were dispatched the hospital first, and then at the end of the

afternoon, I finished up certifying six of the dead behind the Leppings

Lane stand. As Barry has said, it was very quickly apparent that there

was going to be a cover-up. It was apparent to me at the end of the

afternoon when I got thrown out of the gymnasium where the bodies had

been taken, and the police all gathered, and that is where I

believe that the narrative, the story, began that was fed in to

Margaret Thatcher and Bernard Ingram the following morning, that they

took back to Whitehall, that led in due course to very similar letters

going to the coroner from different Government departments and health

service bodies, freezing the emergency response. And I think the

spotlight needs now to shift onto the Whitehall responsibility, the

Cabinet papers that should be released in a couple of years' time,

we need to make sure that they don't disappear, that they are not

redacted. We need to know what conversations took place between

Margaret Thatcher, ministers of state, the press office, Bernard

Ingram, that is what we need to find out next. Today is a day of

reflection, and today it is almost like a biblical deliverance for the

families, and it is important that they should really savour today and

yesterday before re-engaging with things that still have to be dealt

with. The layers of this onion go deep. Many of them have now been

uncovered, but there are more to come. I know that the families will

not rest until everything has had the light of day on it. Can I read

you send messages, gentlemen, from our audience watching you around the

country, and they are incredibly moved your words today. This is from

Chris, I am feeling really emotional watching guests on your programme.

My heart breaks for all those families. Jimmy says, these

interviews are hard braking I am not ashamed to have shed a tear. Aaron

tweets, heartbreaking stories of Hillsborough. This from Doug: It is

not the clock up of Hillsborough that needs conclusion, it is the

massive cover-up. And this from Adam, which is hopeful: Justice at

last for the 96, it gives people of all walks of life the hope that all

miscarriages of justice can be solved. Do you think that is true,

that you give hope to others, that miscarriages of justice can be

solved? As I said about people sticking together, and some of those

adding strength, where you have that kind of thing, it is in abundance in

the people of Liverpool, the people of Merseyside, and the people from

this region who have stood by the families and supported the families

from day one, and without that support, I'm not sure we would

achieve anything. You cannot treat people the way that the families

were treated, in the most despicable of ways, lies, the worst kind of

lies, have been told by an organisation called the South

Yorkshire Police force, who should have been upholding the law, not

breaking the law, and as far as I'm concerned, the Crown Prosecution

Service need to get their act together and bring charges against

many high-ranking police officers, and this should never be allowed to

happen again where 96 victims from 92 families are treated in the worst

possible way. The Crown Prosecution Service have to get this act

together. Can I just say, Victoria. If you look at today's Echo, the

groups that were identified yesterday, the organisations, the

police and the different organisations were identified

yesterday, they still show no shame. It is detailed in today's Liverpool

Echo. A still show no shame, they are using mealy-mouthed words and

they are not demonstrating any humanity, and it is a real crying

shame that we have people like that in senior positions. We have a moral

crisis of leadership in this country where people will not accept

responsibility when things go wrong, but they are happy to take the big

salaries and the honours and all the rest of it. These families have

shown the way for a moral renaissance in this country, and we

have to use this to go forward and clean-up Rotich public life,

starting with the parties identified by the coroner yesterday. -- we have

to clean up British public life. Up to a fortnight ago, members of the

South Yorkshire Police were still telling blatant lies. I will not

give you names, I will give you an example. The coroner read out a

statement that was made by a high-ranking police officer in which

he said, there was chaos on the pitch, there were over 200 police

officers walking around aimlessly. He made a second statement a week

later, the words chaos and 200 police officers walking around the

pitch with no leadership and no direction had been removed. He then

made a third statement, it was watered down again, and then he made

a fourth statement. How in any society can a high-ranking police

officer make one statement followed by watering it down on three

furthermore? That man should be charged with an attempt to avert the

course of justice. Gentlemen, thank you very much your time. We really

appreciated, thank you. Thank you for the opportunity.

Barry Devonside Liverpool for us this morning,

along with Dr John Ashton, who was at the game that

day and helped some of the people affected.

Barry lost his only son Christopher, who was aged 18.

Next, the key suspect in the Paris attacks has been handed over to

France by the authorities in Belgium. Salah Abdeslam was arrested

in Brussels last month after four months on the run.

Let's speak to Lucy Williamson in Paris.

Remind us what he is accused of. He is believed to have played a central

role in both the planning and the execution of the November attacks

here. He hired the cars that we used to carry out the attacks, and he is

believed to have driven the suicide bombers at the Stade de France, he

drove them, police believe, to that location. Possibly he was meant to

carry out his own attack, but that never happened. So all of that is

heart of why France wants to talk to him, and this is a really key moment

for the country, because for the first time, they have actually got

somebody they believe was central to these attacks are live in custody in

France. And I should say, he is expected to appear before

magistrates later today, where he will be expected to be placed under

formal investigation, and we expect obviously he will be kept in custody

as well. Thank you, Lucy Williamson in Paris.

Junior doctors in England are taking part in the second day of all-out

strike action in protest at new contracts.

More than 20,000 medics are said to have walked out yesterday.

NHS bosses have urged patients to continue to use

This week's strikes are the first time doctors have stopped providing

emergency care in the history of the NHS.

Our Health correspondent Smitha Mundasad is outside

St Thomas' Hospital in Central London.

What's the mood on the picket line today?

You join me on the second day, there are fewer people here today, but

still a strong picket line, the second time that junior doctors have

walked out of emergency care, maternity care and even

resuscitation teams. An unprecedented action. But the real

question is, what is going to happen next? Both sides don't seem like

they are going to budge, they are sticking to their guns. With me are

two junior doctors who worked the night shift last night. Dr Richard

Lee, you an intensive care last night. There was some worry that

patients would flooding after the strike ended, or that junior doctors

would not be able to cope with all the jobs left for them. How was it

for you? Good morning. I was very reassured that the consultant

yesterday had replaced each of our roles, so there was no difference in

the level of staffing, and they were some ten years senior, so the

handover was very robust. There was no issue on patient safety. They had

set the plans for through the night, and it is normal for us to talk to

those same doctors through the night shift, and I spoke to them at the

point of handover about 9pm and through the night, and there was no

difference in the routine care and likewise in the daytime. Care had

been much the same as normal. So it is reassuring that the consultants

have got our back here, and they have said all along. They said it

was encouraging that we were out on the picket to make sure that we

could get our message across. Thank you. And you an intensive care, but

it feels like no side is budging here. What will happen next, and if

his contract lands on your door, what will you do? I think it is sad

that it has come to this, and we have public support at the moment,

we have 55 junior doctors telling us the contract is not safe, and the

Royal College as well, on the Government need to start opening up

and listening to us, and reopening negotiations with the BNA, and that

is the only way that this will be solved, by talking and sitting

around and making a proper contract for safe patients. 40,000 operations

have been postponed. Is it really worth it? Is there not something

else that you could have done to avert this? The indications of the

contract are being imposed will lead to greater patient safety risks, and

in order to prevent that, we have to do this, we have to do whatever we

can to increase public awareness and ensure that we have the right

contract. Delaying any patient care we feel terrible about, but we are

genuinely worried what is going to happen to the NHS. We are standing

up for what we think is going to affect it in the long-term. Thank

you for speaking to us, we have to end it there. Passions still running

high here, but the public will be watching carefully to see which side

makes a move. We'll hear from the mum left

paralysed and unable to walk by an epidural during the birth

of her first child. We'll bring you the

details and speak to a member of the British Paralypic

team who he allegedly called a gimp. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news. There are growing calls

for senior police officers to be held accountable

for the Hillsborough disaster. Yesterday an inquest jury ruled that

all 96 Liverpool fans Thousands of people are expected

to attend commemorative events Two criminal investigations

into the disaster and its aftermath are ongoing and could finish

by the end of 2016. Becky Shah's mother

died at Hillsborough. She said the long wait for justice

had taken an immense I think it is an absolute disgrace

that it has taken us this long and that there are people who are no

longer here. There are families and survivors who the toll has been too

much. They have become physically ill or mentally ill and taken their

own lives because of what they have been through with Hillsborough.

The UK's economic growth has slowed. It was down from 0.6% in the final

three months of last year. The Office for National Statistics said.

Junior doctors in England will stage another full walk-out this morning.

This industrial action is the first time in the history of the NHS that

junior doctors have withdrawn the provision of emergency care.

NHS leaders say hospitals coped well with yesterday's strike.

The key suspect in the Paris attacks has been extradited

from Belgium to France, the Belgian Federal

Salah Abdeslam, who was arrested in Brussels last month

He is wanted in France for his role in the November attacks

Barclays Bank has reported a 25% fall in profits for the first

The company pointed to challenging market conditions in banking

as profits fell from over ?1 billion to just under ?800 million.

Donald Trump has won Republican presidential

primaries in five US states, while for the Democrats Hillary

Mr Trump called himself the Republican nominee

Mrs Clinton also made gains in the Democrat race,

but was denied a clean sweep by rival Bernie Sanders who won

It is time for sport. Manchester City boss says his side will have

nothing to fear when they travel to the Bernabeu. City sharing a

goalless draw with Real Madrid at home last night thanks largely to an

impressive goalkeeping display from their goalkeeper, Joe Hart. Ding

tharbd Mark Williams. Mark Selby is two frames away from the last four.

He leads 11-6. Ellie similar Mondays and Bethany

Firth broke their own records at the British para swimming trials with

100 days to go until the Olympics of course. And that's all the sport for

now. I will have more across the BBC News this morning.

Our business editor Kamal Ahmed joins me from the city of London.

Remind us about the figures first of all. I have been in West London at

Virgin Media and George Osborne, the Chancellor, was here this morning

having to sell one message. Economic growth slowed slightly. It is up

0.4% in the first three months of this year. That's compared to 0.6%

for the first three months of 2015. George Osborne really puts that down

to one thing and that is uncertainty around the European Union referendum

on 23rd June and uncertainty about whether after that referendum

Britain will be in or out of the EU. He said that investment has slowed

because of that referendum risk. That property deals have stopped.

That businesses have lost confidence really because of the uncertainty

about the referendum. He said there was a direct cost not just to

businesses, but to the public if we were to leave the European Union. I

did push him in my interview to say that actually the GDP figures, the

economic growth figures, signalled, there were more fundamental problems

in the economy, problems around productivity, problems around

manufacturing, problems around exports and that those problems had

been around for many years. They weren't just down to the short-term

ricks of the EU referendum. He said yes, there were other issues in the

economy, but the big decision that Britain makes on 23rd June was the

biggest issue at the moment. Of course, the critics of that position

and of George Osborne's position say that if Britain was to leave the

European Union that would be a huge boost to the British economy. That

we would be freed from the shackles of the European Union, but

certainly, George Osborne doesn't believe that. He thinks that or he

wants the public to focus on one issue. Is it better or worse for me

as a consumer, as an employee, as someone working in a business, if

Britain is in or out of the European Union?

Thank you. "I couldn't even say

the word paralysed." That's what Irrum Jetha,

a first-time mum left unable to walk following an epidural

has told our programme. In an exclusive interview,

the 34-year-old mum of one reveals that she repeatedly alerted medical

staff that after giving birth, the numbness from the epidural

wasn't wearing off and she couldn't Eventually a blood clot

was discovered on her spine. She underwent emergency surgery

and the next day was given the devastating news

that the damage was permanent. Paralysed and facing life

in wheelchair, Irrum and her husband Adam are now taking legal action

against the hospital for the delays in acknowledging

something was wrong. In their first broadcast interview,

the couple describe first of all, The birth was long, but yeah, I mean

it was amazing. I was induced at the hospital. So it did go on for quite

sometime. But when she finally came, yeah, it was amazing. It was

amazing. When did you start to think that something might be wrong with

your recovery from the birth? When I got moved down to the HDU, I had no

movement in my legs at all. And so when I was seen by the doctors and

the midwives, I asked them, I have got no feeling, I can't move my legs

at aland I was reassured that was normal and because it was my first

child, I didn't, I didn't know what to expect and that was fine. And you

were in the High Dependency Unit because of what reason? I have got a

heart condition. That was always part of the plan that I was going to

be in the HDU. The anaesthetic from the epidural wasn't wearing off? No.

Why had you had an epidural? I was advised by the team to have an

epidural because they didn't want any extra strain on the heart and

that's what they would advice anyone with a heart condition. What did

medical staff say when you kept on saying through the following day, "I

still can't feel any sensation in my legs." They kept on reassuring me it

was normal and tomorrow people take a bit longer for the epidural to

wear off, but my concern was I wasn't having any recovery at all.

When did they accept actually this wasn't normal anymore? It was

probably at 5pm that day. So, Emily was born at 3am, it was almost in

the evening part, but this all suddenly went into panic mode from

reassuring me just a couple of hours before to suddenly everybody seemed

to be, you know, lots of people sort of congregating around the bed and

we began to realise something is not right at all now. I think the

consultant an eth is atist told me they were concerned there was a

bruising on her spine and we didn't really understand, you know, the

significance of that at the time, what bruising of the spine meant,

but you just knew at that point that there was a lot of alarm bells which

were starting to go off. So what happened to you then? They were

waiting to do an MRI scan to diagnose if it was a hem tomb Which

is a ma. Blood clot? Which is a blood clot and there was a lot of

waiting around for that. They had to arrange that because their MRI had

shot at the hospital so they had to arrange it at another hospital. So

we were waiting around for that, but obviously, we were quite panicked at

that time. Your baby was in one hospital while you're rushed to

another. Very stressful. Very stressful. Yeah, very, very

stressful. Just to go from like the extreme high to then feeling like

very scared suddenly was a real come down I have to say. So it was a clot

on your spine. Yeah. And the decision was that you needed surgery

to remove it? They told me if they did find it was a clot they would

operate straightaway. So they did that. Zl that's what they did, yeah.

And when you woke up from that surgery, what were you thinking

would be the outcome? We were hoping in our head that would mean that I

would, my legs would start moving and I would get a feeling and that

would be solving the problem, but I still couldn't feel anything. The

next couple of days after that, nothing was changing and you know

then it started becoming real that, you know, this was going to be, this

might be a long-term thing now. That's when paralysis, the word

paralysis came into the conversation because up until that point we

hadn't really understood the consequence of bruising or blood

clot or hem tomb ma, we didn't equate them with paralysis. When you

first heard the word paralysis being used, what did you think? How did

you process that? I couldn't even say the word myself or probably six

weeks or something, I just couldn't, I was blocking it out. I was just

focussing on day by day trying to think that something is going to

change. Something is going to change. I did think I was -- I

didn't think I was coping about it at all. I was in denial maybe. My

main focus, I wasn't with my baby. It was so far removed from what it

should have been. We should have been taking her home and looking

after her. I couldn't do that. I couldn't process it. All I was

thinking, I wasn't with my baby. I just remember that day when Adam

said I'm bringing her in today. Anticipation and obviously we were

both in tears. It was a bit like because we hadn't really spent that

much time with her on the first day, so being reunited with someone you

have not seen for a long time. I felt like I had not seen her for a

lifetime. The biggest challenge of that whole period, it wasn't just I

was looking after the baby, I was trying to help her as much as I

could, going into the hospital and having sleepless nights, it was a

sleepless period and with all the emotional stuff as well. You spent

several months in hospital. Yeah. Recovering from that surgery and

receiving treatment for the paralysis. Seeing your baby when you

or your parents would bring her in. How did you cope during that time? I

mean, I was pretty depressed to be honest. When I moved to a rehab

unit, I mean at first when we got our place there, it was a hope. We

thought we'd get there and there would be progress and maybe I'd make

some recovery, but you know, the centres are set-up to sort of get

you out and get you back to living, but in a wheelchair and once I

realised that, you know, I was really depressed and I just used to

wait until my daughter was brought in and those used to be those few

hours of happiness with her, but when she would leave, it was

heartbreak again. Being left there and not with her.

UK home at Christmas, having given birth in August. What did the tell

you about your recovery? The Dodlek to give you too many indications,

and I was led to believe that I was to focus on life in a wheelchair.

They also give you this assessment of your spinal-cord injury, and she

had complete paralysis, which the long-term prognosis statistically is

that you are in a wheelchair for the rest of your life, no more walking.

You have been researching possible treatments? Therapies. Thanks to

Google or any online search engine, there is a lot of stuff out, and

people can make a certain degree of recovery, even if not what she had

before, just to be able to take a few steps, things are possible. And

you are having hours of physio each day at the moment. I am doing hours

of physio, not all with a physiotherapist. I do a couple of

hours with the physio, but we do a lot of stuff with equipment at home.

And do you feel that all that is helping? Definitely. And what

progress do you think you have made? I went from having no movement at

all to having movement back in my quads, hamstrings and hip flexes, so

it means I have a bike, that when I started using it, I had to be

strapped in, it was a passive movement, whereas now I can peddle

independently controlling with my legs, so there is a huge amount of

improvement that just doesn't translate into functional movement.

What is your goal, then? My goal is to be able to stand up. Even if I'm

using a frame at the beginning, the therapy in Germany, that is what

they focus on, being in a standing, upright position and forcing those

movements again and again until your body remembers how to do it, in a

way. Chelsea at Westminster Hospital have carried out a serious incident

review, and found that there were three missed opportunities on the

day after you had given birth to Amelie when they could've acted on

what you were saying to them, the sensation was not coming back to

your legs. When you first realise that, what did you think? I felt

very let down, actually, because I was saying, so mini times, to

everybody that was around, come to check on Amelie, that this wasn't,

nobody was escalating my concerns. Obviously if it had been acted upon

earlier, maybe things would have turned out differently. Following

that serious incident review, your solicitors are now carrying out

investigations to see of those delays by medical staff led to your

paralysis. What you want from the hospital? If that turns out to be

what has happened, I guess our idea of compensation is to help fund my

recovery, nothing else. A lot of people don't realise that

spinal-cord injury extremely expensive. All of this physiotherapy

and equipment costs of huge amount, so in order for her to return to

normality, it requires a great deal of money. They gave us a statement

which says, this was a very complex, rare and tragic case and we offer

our sincere condolences to Mrs Jethro and her family. We have

reviewed our procedures for post-anaesthetic monitoring and

rapid transfer for imaging technology, and we can't comment

further as this case is subject to legal proceedings. They have changed

certain procedures, that is something, I suppose? Yes. One thing

we want to mention here is that as they say themselves, and haematoma,

not to scare people, it is an extremely rare thing to happen, so

if you are going to have an epidural, I don't think you should

be afraid of having a haematoma, and the other thing to mention is, even