29/04/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello it's Friday, it's nine o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling,

Patients "still at risk" at Southern Health -

that's the conclusion of a damning report into an NHS trust in England

where a teenager drowned in the bath.

The report is strongly critical of senior management -

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn is criticised

for failing to deal properly with allegations of

He says the escalating row - which has seen former London

mayor Ken Livingstone suspended - is not a crisis

And how a criminal gang conned pensioners out of hundreds

When I first learned I was scammed, I thought, could I live with myself

for having lost so much money? And the thought of suicide to pass

through my mind. Welcome to the programme,

we're live until 11 this morning. Also this morning, is your child due

to take their SATs tests soon? Some head teachers have

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a story you think we should be Some of our best stories come

from you, our viewers. Our top story today...the

scandal hit NHS trust, where a teenager drowned

in the bath, is still failing to protect patients from the risk

of harm, according to the health regulator, the Care

Quality Commission. Southern Health has been criticised

for failing to investigate The trust's chairman Mike Petter

resigned "with great sadness" just hours before

the review was published. Here's more from our social affairs

correspondent Michael Buchanan. Following each death, Southern

Health promised they would learn Today's report from the CQC

questions that assertion. Southern Health are failing

to protect patients. They are running units that

are physically dangerous. Frontline staff are not

being supported by management. The organisation does need

and deserve a leadership that can What we have shown is that over

the past two years that leadership has not been there and has

not been demonstrated. Southern Health has been

under intense scrutiny since the probe found that it had

failed to investigate the deaths The CQC has found that it is still

not properly scrutinising deaths. The Trust accept

they need to improve. The CQC have given us a really clear

message that things need to There are significant concerns

that we are taking very seriously. And we are really focused on making

the changes that need to be made. The chairman of Southern Health

resigned yesterday to allow, he Katrina Percy, the only

chief executive the Trust And let's cross live

to Michael Buchanan for more on these latest criticisms

of Southern Health NHS trust. The chairman has resigned. Are you

expecting more fallout from this? I'm not sure if I am expecting it,

but there will be an awful lot of questions for Katrina Percy in that

piece. The organisation was created in 2011, and they were not -- when

the report came out, the trust at that time, when it had not -- why it

had not investigated the deaths according to the report was that

there was a failure of leadership and governance. At the time, the

trust said that we get this, we are improving. The CQ seed then went in

in January, and suggested that they were not improving. Another

regulator called NHS Improvement brought in an improvement director.

He is working with Southern health, but only one day a week, but

frankly, with the comments that have come out this morning from the CQ

seed, there are a lot of people who say that one man coming in, for one

day a week, isn't he not good enough. There will be questions for

NHS Improvement today. The former health minister Norman Lamb has said

this morning that in his view, the board and management of Are then

Health have to go. The argument from Southern Health need to -- is that

they need more time. Annita McVeigh is in the BBC

Newsroom and has a summary The Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn

is facing more criticism from within his own Shadow Cabinet

over his handling of allegations Mr Corbyn has denied

Labour's in crisis after the escalating row,

which has seen the former London Mayor Ken

Livingstone suspended. Shadow Home Secretary, Andy Burnham,

has said Jeremy Corbyn didn't act Speaking on the BBC's

Question Time, Mr Burnham said the party wasn't anti-semitic

but admitted Labour's response had These allegations are not being

dealt with quickly enough. They need to be dealt with much more speedily.

The second thing I would say is that some people in the party have made

anti-Semitic comments. But the Shadow Communities

Secretary, Jon Trickett, has insisted that Labour's

leadership had dealt Racism has no part in our

country and our party. In a progressive party like the

Labour Party, it clearly must have no role.

By the way, Jeremy Corbyn acted within moments,

certainly within a couple of hours of hearing Ken's comments.

British cyclist Simon Yates - considered a rising star

and possible Olympic contender - has failed a drugs

The 23-year-old - seen here on the right -

tested positive for a banned substance at the Paris

His team say there's been no wrongdoing by the cyclist,

and that an "administrative error" over the use of an asthma

Head teachers have attacked the government's testing regime

for primary schools in England, calling it chaotic and distracting.

Gathering for their annual conference in Birmingham,

the National Association of Head Teachers said the current

system was good for bureaucrats and politicians, but didn't work

The government says tests have been updated to reflect a more

Our Education Correspondent Robert Pigott reports.

Six and seven-year-olds practice maths papers,

they're part of formal exams, SATs, designed to measure

pupils's ability and progress, but teachers

have had not enough time to

teach a challenging curriculum, and the children find

Many of the children in year two are six years old,

and they are just not able and ready for that very formal type of test.

They need something very much less structured in that formal manner.

Primary school head teachers have criticised what they call

The National Association of Head Teachers says the way new tests

had been planned and introduced has been littered with mistakes.

The conference will include a moratorium on the publication

Delegates will also debate calls to reform exams

for pupils leaving primary school on the grounds that they harmed

But the Department for Education says mastering the basics

of literacy and numeracy at primary school has a huge impact

It says exams for 11-year-olds have been updated to reflect a more

rigourous curriculum which will help all children fulfil their potential.

Nine members of a gang who scammed millions of pounds

from pensioners are to be sentenced at the Old Bailey today.

The perpetrators tricked hundreds of elderly vulnerable people out

of their life savings and it's feared some of the money may have

been intended to fund the travel of people from the UK to Syria.

We'll hear an exclusive interview with one of the victims

Investigators examining the death of the musician Prince

are reportedly looking at the possibility he overdosed

Days before his death last week, his private plane made an emergency

landing, so he could receive urgent medical treatment.

The Associated Press agency says officials are checking

whether a doctor was on the plane, and if Prince had been

prescribed painkillers, which may have contributed

Hundreds of demonstrators have blocked traffic outside a venue

in California where Republican presidential hopeful Donald Trump

A police car had its windows smashed as Mr Trump spoke inside a hall

20 people are reported to have been arrested.

The Republican frontrunner, who has vowed to deport millions

of illegal immigrants, faces strong opposition

in parts of the state, particularly among Latinos.

In the next few minutes, we'll have more on the anti-semitism

We'll be speaking to a Jewish Labour activist who worked

Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

use the hashtag #VictoriaLive and If you text, you will be charged

Let's catch up with the sport. Liverpool were so close to that

valuable way draw. Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp has

told Villareal "sorry, but it is not over",

after the first leg of their Europa League semi-final

ended in a 1-0 victory Liverpool kept it tight

until the second minute of injury time, when Adrian Lopez

delivered the sucker punch. They meet again at

Anfield next Thursday. To be honest, it is the first leg,

and might first thinking, when everyone was celebrating around me,

I thought, sorry, it is not over, you have to come to Anfield, too. We

will be ready. It's all square in the other

semi-final, Sevilla earning a 2-2 draw against Shakhtar Donetsk

with a late penalty Sevilla could become the first side

to lift the trophy Warrington completed

a Super League double over Wigan to extend their lead

at the top of the table. the Wolves fell behind early

on but that's when they "started to turn the volume up" according

to coach Tony Smith. They came roaring back,

with two tries apiece Warrington are now two points

clear of Catalan Dragons, China's Ding Junhui is still

on course to become the first Asian winner of the World

Snooker Championship. He leads Alan McManus 6-2

after firing four centuries to dominate their opening session

at the Crucible. They resume at ten o'clock and

coverage continues across the BBC. And world number one Mark Selby has

the edge over Marco Fu. He leads 5-3 going into their second

session at 2.30 this afternoon. These are best-of-33 frame

semi-finals, so the first British cycling has been hit by one

controversy after another, over the past few days -

it's been described as the "week from hell" -

but let's not forget the athletes The Tour de Yorkshire starts at 11

o'clock, taking in the stunning Bradley Wiggins is the main

attraction in the men's race. And tomorrow, history will be made

when the women race over the same course as the men, receiving

higher prize money too. It is the first time ever that you

have the same lame, the same route, the same distance, the same race for

men and women. It is a big step forward for cycling, not just for

the tour of Yorkshire. We don't know what it will mean for the future,

because it is a long way to court -- equality, but it has been a major

step. perfectly clear, about the "halo"

head protection - But Formula One teams

are still trying to improve Daniel Ricciardo and

Red Bull have been at the centre of attention

during first practice ahead of this They've been trying out a new device

- the so called "aeroscreen" is designed to stop debris hitting

a driver's head. If this - or the halo -

meets the approval of the sport's governing body it could

be introduced next A row over anti-Semitism

is engulfing the Labour Party, with senior figures including

Shadow Home Secretary Andy Burnham saying it's taking too

long to kick out members Yesterday, the former London mayor

Ken Livingstone was suspended after talking about links

between Hitler and Israel. Speaking on Vanessa Feltz's radio

show, Mr Livingstone defended the Labour MP Naz Shah over Facebook

posts she made about Israel She talked about relocating Israel

to America, he talked about what the Jews rallying, not the Israelis or

Israel. He did not find that to be anti-Semitic? When Hitler won his

election in 1932, his policy then was that Jews should be moved to

Israel. He was supporting Zionism, or he went mad and ended up killing

6 million Jews. Ken Livingstone was on his way to do

his next interview with BBC News when he was stopped by a Labour MP

who called him a Nazi apologist. You are a Nazi apologist. You are right

-- you are rewriting history. Go back and check what Hitler did.

There is a book called Mein Kampf. There were concentration camps and

you were saying that picked a support line is. You have lost it.

You need help. Factually wrong, racist remarks. Check your history.

That was the policy they ran on. Check my history. You have lost it!

Jeremy Corbyn has suspended Ken Livingstone from the party and says

he will move quickly to suspend -- to suppress racism. It is not a

crisis. Where there is racism, it will be stamped out. I have been an

antiracism defender all my life. It has been suggested that the party's

reputation is on the line. That is a fear that it held by many of your

colleagues at Westminster. Do you suggest there was no crisis to worry

about? There is complete tolerance in the Labour Party and there has to

be. There has to be an intolerance -- a tolerance of all faiths,

communities and points of view. We will not tolerate racism in any

form. Let's get more from our correspondent Carole Walker. Jeremy

Corbyn says there is no crisis. Their calls from people in the party

for tougher action. What will happen next? I think those remarks

effectively saying crisis, what crisis, has underlined the concerns

many people have under this -- about this. The worry is that he is being

slow off the mark. He is reluctant to confront this head-on because of

his lifelong support for the -- Palestinian cause. Andy Burnham, the

Shadow Home Secretary, said last night that the party could have

acted a bit more swiftly on that. Some Labour MPs, people like with

street have been far more outspoken, saying he has got to get a grip on

this, and indeed this morning we heard senior representatives of the

Jewish community saying that he has got to get a grip on this and

pointing out that in the past, because Jeremy Corbyn has met people

like representatives of her maths and Hezbollah, he needs to do more

for up -- to distance himself from this and to show that the party will

take action to make sure that there is no room for anti-Semitism. People

are worried that it is not good enough just to say there is no room

for Andy Semitism, you actually have to show it. What with those who say

he needs to get a grip want to see happen? Would that mean expulsion

from the party, not suspension? You have got Ken Livingstone suspended

facing an investigation over those remarks which you played just a few

moments ago. You have also got Naz Shah, the Labour MP, who has been

suspended and is being investigated for her Facebook post suggesting

that Israel be moved to the United States. Those investigations will,

we understand, be carried out by the National executive committee. If

there were moves to say, well, actually it wasn't that serious and

Ken Livingstone could be a mere -- could be allowed back in, that would

go down very badly with some sections of the party. Some senior

figures in the saddo cabinet have been really deeply upset by the

comments that Ken Livingstone made and by the reaction to it. We have

had the deputy leader today suggesting that one needs to happen

is perhaps a look at the rules and perhaps a look at a new Code of

Conduct, more measures to explicitly say you can't express anti-Semitic

views and to explicitly rule that out. If you like, a reassurance

because incidents like this which have exploded in the row on the

steps of the offices here yesterday are not the first incidents. We had

all the allegations of what has happened on university campuses.

There is already an enquiry into that. I think there is now real

pressure on the leadership of the Labour Party to do something about

this. We have very important elections next week. Local

elections, elections in Scotland, Wales and London and people are

saying that as a test of Jeremy Corbyn's leadership and unless firm

action is taken, this whole issue could cost the party a lot more

votes and seats at the polls. Joining me in the studio is John

Landman, a lump standing Labour Party member who worked on Jeremy

Corbyn's election campaign. He called for Ken Livingstone to be

suspended. Suspended or expelled? Actually, I didn't call for him to

be suspended. I thought he should resign from politics, actually. I

think what Ken said was very ill judged, intemperate, wrong and

offensive. The trouble is, Ken hasn't really got a role any more

but he is still somebody who is invited into TV studios and

unfortunately he said some things which were very ill judged and he

needs to recognise that it is time for him to move on. One colleague

phrase that he was a disgusting Nazi apologist. I don't think Ken is a

Nazi apologist and I think that is as unreasonable as what Ken said. I

do think he is anti-Semitic. I think he said things without thinking.

When they were talking about deporting Jews from Israel... Ken

did not say that. Ken said that Hitler supported Zionism. Pickard

was not a supporter of Zionism. He was -- Hitler was not a supporter of

Zionism. He was responsible for the death of 6 million views. People who

are Zionists want a homeland to provide safety. That was the point

that Ken Livingstone made though, wasn't it? He said that prior to

going mad when he started killing Jews, he wanted Jews to be deported.

I think Hitler was always deeply anti-Semitic. There was never a

period before he was deeply anti-Semitic. So I actually don't

agree with Ken Livingstone saying it is a matter of Hitler going mad.

Historically, his analysis is wrong and it was offensive and he needs to

move on. I think we also need to recognise in Ken that he is not

anti-Semitic. He is not a Nazi apologist. Actually, he did many

good things in London. In some ways, he was responsible for raising

issues of racism and intolerance of women, of gay people and so on. He

has helped to make London comfortable in its modern cultural

diversity. Is there a place in the party for him now to come back? As I

have said, I think it is time for Ken to move on from politics. But if

he is not going to returning from the party, should he be sacked?

Sacking him from the party? No, I dig it is time for him to move on

from politics and time for him to move on from the National executive

committee of the party. If Jeremy Corbyn doesn't take the decision to

take firm action and expel him which many are saying is what he should

do. Andy Burnham says, no kids, no buts, people who make anti-Semitic

comments should be expelled from the party. Doesn't that make him look

weak? I don't think that's what this is about. Anti-Semitism is a

competent problem. It has been around for a long time. It is not

new. -- anti-Semitism is a complicated problem. Society has a

problem with anti-Semitism. No particular party... People grow up

with prejudices. We have become its own Ken Livingstone and Naz Shah.

Should anyone... There are people that have an interest in stoking

this row. There is no small coincidence that this have come to

light now. What Naz Shah said she said two years ago. There are people

at the Tory party who have been trawling Twitter feed is looking for

evidence which has been stored until two weeks before the local elections

and the London mayoral elections. These are views which have been

written about and caused enormous offence. Is there any place in the

Labour Party for them? Of course there is no place in the Labour

Party for anti-Semitism. Jeremy has always made that clear. Jeremy is

anti-racist to his call. The full array which is going on -- lift the

euro does not make for rational debate for what is going on. Where

we have their review cases of severe anti-Semitism, people exhibiting

prejudices, and prejudices are in all of us. We grow up with them, we

learn from our friends at school and our workmates. We need to recognise

added knowledge that there is anti-Semitism in society, including

in all political parties, including in the Labour Party, and we have two

deal with it. James has text its own, have the Jewish people not

suffered enough in history? Jackie, if remarks made by the Labour Party

are to be scrutinised before they took office, surely Jeremy Corbyn

should also be scrutinised as he is just as guilty? John's attack on Ken

Livingstone was disgusting, not what he said, but the way it happened.

John Mann has been called before the Chief Whip to explain his behaviour.

Does he have anything to answer for? I think calling Ken a Nazi apologist

is discussed is -- is religious -- is ridiculous. The Tories have an

interest in soaking up the flames of whatever crisis is here, which I

think is largely a crisis of perceptions. So do some people in

the Labour Party and I'm afraid John Mann is one of them. He is no

supporter of Jeremy Corbyn. Did Jeremy Corbyn say that if Ken

Livingstone was to be suspended, John Mann should be suspended to? I

haven't heard him say that. Thank you very much. Thank you for your

comments. Do keep on getting in touch about everything we are

talking about on the programme this morning.

It was a scam designed to steal the life savings of hundreds

Today, nine men are being sentenced for their role in defrauding 140

elderly people out of a total of ?1 million.

We speak to one woman who handed over ?130,000 to who she

How downloading an app can help tell you if genetically you're more

We talk to the doctor who helped design it and who hopes lives

We go to the BBC Newsroom for a summary of today's news.

Thank you. The NHS Trust which ran one of the biggest care providers in

England is continuing to put patients at risk according to the

Care Quality Commission. Southern Health has failed to adopt safer the

guidelines two and a half years after a teenager died in a bath

following an epileptic seizure. That led to an investigation into

hundreds of unexplained deaths. Last night, the chairman of the trust

resigned. Labour's deputy leader has said a

review of the party's procedures will ensure it has a zero tolerance

of bases including anti-Semitism. He was speaking after the Shadow Home

Secretary Andy Burnham said the leadership had not dealt with such

allegations quickly enough. Jeremy Corbyn has denied the party is in

crisis after comments made yesterday by Ken Livingstone which led to his

suspension. Headteachers have attacked the

testing regime for primary schools in England calling it chaotic and

distracting. Gathering for the annual conference in Birmingham, the

National Association of Head Teachers said the current system is

good for bureaucrats and politicians but doesn't work for peoples or

teachers. The government said tests have been updated to reflect a more

rigorous curriculum. Investigators looking into the death

of Prince are looking into the possibility that he overdosed on

production drugs. Last week, his -- the week before his death, his plane

made an emergency landing so he could receive treatment. They are

checking if a doctor was on the plane and if Prince was prescribed

painkillers which could have contributed to his death.

Hundreds of demonstrators have gathered where Donald Trump is

making a speech. A police car had its windows smashed and 20 people

are reported to have been arrested. He faces strong opposition in parts

of the state, particularly among Latinos. That is a summary of the

latest BBC News. More from me at 10am.

Time for the sports headlines now with Jessica.

Good morning. The British cyclist Simon Yates is not to blame for

failing a drug test according to his team. He is from the Orica GreenEdge

team and he has taken -- and they have taken responsibility saying

they failed to complete an exception for for his asthma. He is in

contention to ride for Team GB at the Olympics in Rio.

Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp has warned Villareal

that their Europa League semi-final tie is not over, despite losing

the first leg in Spain after an injury-time goal.

They meet again at Anfield next Thursday.

Ding Junhui rattled off four century breaks in the opening session

of his World Snooker semi-final - he leads Alan McManus

Ding is on course to become the first Asian winner of the title.

Mark Selby is 5-3 up against Marco Fu in the other semi.

And the latest attempt to improve driver safety

in Formula One is on trial ahead of the Russian Grand Prix.

The "aeroscreen" is designed to deflect debris.

Nico Rosberg finished fastest in first practice,

"The thought of suicide crossed my mind".

Those are the haunting words of Elizabeth Curtis who became

a victim of a million pound scam by a gang being sentenced

The perpetrators tricked hundreds of elderly vulnerable people out

of their life savings and it's feared some of the money may have

been intended to fund the travel of people from the UK to Syria.

Nine members of the gang are facing sentencing today for their part

In a moment we'll hear an exclusive interview with one of the victims.

First let's see how the scammers lured the elderly into their trap.

Ahead of today's sentencing, June Kelly spoke exclusively

to Elizabeth Curtis, an elderly victim from Cornwall.

She doesn't want her face shown, but she does want to talk

about the devastating impact the scam has had on her life.

I had a ring at the doorbell one afternoon and it was a policeman.

And I thought, why has a policeman come to see me?

And he told me that I had been scammed.

I felt stupid, sick, I could not believe I had been taken in.

He told me to go to my banks and transfer so much money

by instant transfers into named accounts.

He told me the transfers would be in small amounts so it would not

In all I went to the banks, made eight transactions and put

But he told me that if I was asked any questions, to say

Just describe when you went into your banks to withdraw

I had the name of the account, sort code, and the account number.

And I just asked to transfer by instant transfer the amount that

I think I was only asked once who the money was for.

I came out of the banks very relieved that they had not

actually asked me a lot of questions because I did not

Can you describe when you went into those banks, how much

Can you just talk me through the transactions?

Well in theory, sometimes it was ?20,000, and I think ?12,500.

And nobody said to you, why are you withdrawing

There was only one name that could have been British, the others

So did anybody ask you at all about why you needed it?

Not when I was making the transactions.

I was only asked and I think it was general talk when I had to go

And I think the cashier there was she was on the phone

to the branch, she asked me one or two questions about

Well I said, my nephew, and I said, he is having

And they said, what sort of work does he do?

And I had to make up on the spot that he was in business.

I cannot think of anything more definite.

They maybe believe it was the bank staff who were defrauding me.

The terrorists training and coming back to Britain or other countries,

Europe, blowing people up and that sort of thing.

When I first learned that I was scammed I thought,

And the thought of suicide did pass through my mind.

But then I realised it wasn't the answer.

I have lost all faith in my own judgment.

I find it hard to trust people again.

Without the help of friends and families I do not think

Who are genuinely vulnerable, elderly people and some of whom have

This career scam has been going on 2011 and yet very little

I was only asked once at NatWest who the money was for.

Santander obviously became suspicious enough to

But they did not inform me or stop me from making

I therefore believe that the banks are liable and I should have

NatWest and Santander gave me back a certain amount

I feel the banks should have reimbursed the full amount.

We made appeals to the banks and we did not get any joy there.

So we appealed to the financial ombudsman, without success.

It could be small claims court, or more legal action,

which I'm not too keen to go forward on.

Other than that I think we have come to a full stop as far

The reasons I am doing this interview, to make the public more

And not only this scam, other scams that occur.

Many innocent, vulnerable, elderly people have been, and are,

unwittingly becoming victims of what is a very

I hope the sentences given today will bring some sort of closure

Here in the studio to discuss the scam is Caroline Wayman,

the Chief Executive of the Financial Ombudsman,

Steve Profitt, Deputy Head of Action Fraud, and Katy Worobec,

Director of Financial Fraud Action UK.

Elizabeth Curtis turned to the Osburn -- ombudsman to try and get

the money back. Why did she not get it back? We looked at the case, and

we have to look at whether the banks have caused or contributed to the

loss. In this particular case, we've got but overall, the banks had acted

fairly, so unfortunately, she was -- we were unable to make any award in

her favour. Some of the money was given back as a goodwill gesture.

What is your view of the banks on their duty of care and more

responsible duty to their customers that -- customers? We do see

instances where the banks give goodwill gestures, and sometimes

that is appropriate. We also see cases where the banks have not acted

fairly, and we can award against them, but it is important that we

look at the individual circumstances and look at what has happened. If

the banks have not done anything wrong, then on the whole, it would

not be fair for the ombudsman to make the award. How much would you

expect banks to do when money is going out of the account in the

short space of time? It can be difficult, and sometimes it does

tackle -- trigger alerts. Sometimes, the bankers have said, are you sure,

are you sure, are you sure? As the lady there was describing, they have

been persuaded that the bank note, but however much the bank

intervenes, they persist. It is that having good procedures to have money

moved in the way they want to. But it is important that we raise

awareness of the sorts of scams. The banks will have a part to play, and

conversations like this are very helpful when things like this

happen. Katie, you effectively represent the banks. ?100,000 was

transferred out of Elizabeth's accounts to four different accounts

over five days. What systems are in place to raise flags? It is a

complex thing, because there are millions of genuine transactions

going through the day. At any given day. It is difficult for the banks

to spot any individual transactions and say that as a fraudulent one,

say that is a scam. But there are methods in place, and the banks are

effectively stop at seven in every ?10 of attempted fraud last year. As

Caroline said, a lot of this is about people being aware of these

scams existing, and I think the lady who has had the bravery to give her

story, is going to really help raise the awareness not fall into this

trap. You can see, hearing what happened, how easy it was to fall

into a trap like that. This fraud only works because she was cold

called at home. She was totally unaware that when you are called at

home, when you hang up, the phone line is still open. When she has

made the contact to verify the details of the fraudsters, she still

talking to the fraudsters. She is not talking to the police. Once you

have passed that step, you will do anything, because she firmly

believed that she was working on the behalf of the police. That is the

difficulty. This is a scam that went on for some time, got a lot of

money. A lot of people caught up in it. The police and banks were not

aware some time. Why not? Because she is going along with the scam. It

is only as a result of investigations in relation to other

victims of theirs who have come forward that they were able to

contact her, approach her, and inform her that this was a scam. How

sophisticated scams getting? Are they more sophisticated than they

were? Incredibly more sophisticated. Roast -- fraudsters are using

technology to enable them to commit these frauds. Fishing e-mails with

links, with data fields that you can fill in, or attachments that do

nasty things to your computer. Is it always easy to spot if something

comes in and it is unsolicited? That is obvious. But there are things

that are much more difficult. a Queen 's it used to be easy to spot

because with a look at the spelling, look at the grammar, but that has

gone. They are cutting and pasting headings on genuine e-mails. They

looked genuine. All we can say is, your bank will never ask you for

these details, so don't fill them in. Any doubt at all, please phone

the number on the back of your banking card and asked to talk to

the fraud department. Yet advice and guidance from them before you do

anything and definitely don't click on links in e-mails or open up

attachments at all. Caroline, how many people are coming to the

ombudsman having lost money through fraud and trying to get it back? It

is definitely something we have seen more of. We have seen 400 of these

cases, more than 400. It is important to say it is not just

people who are vulnerable. Anybody can fall for these things. The

techniques are very sophisticated and it is very easy to be taken in

and very often people say I felt embarrassed, ashamed. That is why it

is so important to talk about it and I hope people feel able to come

forward. It is important to take action as soon as possible. If you

think something has happened, don't wait. Take action as soon as you

can. Are any prosecution is happening? In terms of cases in

proportion to the prosecutions. There are more and more

prosecutions. This is a very sad story but from a law enforcement

perspective, it is a good use story, because the bureau has been able to

link these cases together and we have a successful prosecution here

and these criminals will be sentenced today, hopefully put in

prison. It is improving. It is increasing. But as Caroline said, we

need people not to be afraid to reported so we've got the full

intelligence picture. We can link all of this together. When something

happens, Katie, and money is transferred and it's discovered that

it's gone fortunately, can the banks not get it back? It sounds simple,

doesn't it, but money moves very quickly. It is split into smaller

amounts and moved out of the country. It can happen in seconds.

It sounds simple but it doesn't fit in an account and wait for us to go

and find it and that is why it is a complex criminal issue. In this

particular case, you mention the fact that the phone line was kept

open. This seems to be an obviously poll that could be tackled quite

easily, couldn't it? You are totally right with that. When this case was

perpetrated, the phone line was opened for 20 seconds. That had been

reduced from 20 minutes to 20 seconds. Working collectively

together, that has been reduced to only a couple of seconds and we are

hopeful that very, very shortly that will be reduced to zero. When that

happens, fraudsters will not be able to commit this type of fraud. But

clearly they will evolve into a new method of getting your money in the

right circumstances. They will not be able to use the landline phone

that is left open. Is there a profile of a typical victim? Because

you were talking about how frauds have become ever more sophisticated.

It used to be that maybe some people would be dismissive and say, I

wouldn't fall for that, it is obvious, but it is not always so

obvious. Can anyone fall victim now? Anyone can be a victim of fraud.

Absolutely anybody, any age. Is that what you are seeing? It is what we

are seeing. Specific fraud is targeted at demographics. This

particular one was targeted at the elderly, retired people, but we have

seen this exact scam with other people of different age groups,

different demographics. Anybody can be conned into it. Katie, do the

banks not have an insurance to cover when money is lost as to mark that

they're not pay out on that basis? It is really difficult because every

case is different. You are looking at a really sophisticated criminal

gang. What we would think is the best thing is to raise awareness of

this type of crime, so we are working with the task force, with

law enforcement, with government to look at the vulnerabilities around

this type of crime and we have our own police unit looking at this type

of crime and we are launching in September a large-scale awareness

campaign to raise the profile of this type of fraud. Thank you all

very much. Let us know if you have fallen victim to fraud. Get in touch

and all the normal ways. One of the country's biggest mental

health trusts is putting patients 'at risk' and not protecting

them properly according We speak to one father

who lost his son whilst he was under One in two people in the UK

will get cancer at some Now, it's hoped a new app will help

provide quicker access to life saving treatment for the three

in every 100 of those cases that are passed down

through someone's genes. The App was developed

after referrals to the clinical genetics service at Guy's

and St Thomas' Hospital in London doubled when actress Angelina Jolie

announced she carried the inherited BRCA1 gene mutation and had

undergone a preventative Here to explain how the app works

is its creator Dr Anju Kulkarni. Also with us this morning

is Kenisha McGregor - who was diagnosed with breast cancer

in 2013 and was found to carry the BRCA1 gene mutation

when she was referred to Guy's She says she would have

benefited from the App, Thank you both for coming in.

Doctor, you work involved in developing this app. Why did you

want to be involved? We know that genetics can be involved in

developing cancer and this is about giving tools to people to show those

who can be at risk of developing cancer. Those that are at risk, can

develop different types of cancer possibly at younger ages. It is

important to identify those people so they have access to prevention

and screening and surgical options if they don't have cancer. Also,

there are new drug treatment and therapies for those with an

inherited full of cancer. Is it not easy to spot? It is about giving the

tools to spot the red flags, the warning signs that might make them

think about this person might be at risk and we need to refer them. More

importantly, also to be able to reassure people who aren't at risk

because there has been a growing awareness of the risk of inherited

cancer over the last few years. We've had an increasing number of

referrals to our department. Because of Angelina Jolie? Because of the

Angelina Jolie effect. There are almost 2000 referrals to our

department now. So that is people who are not showing symptoms? Or

people with cancer who are worried about other members of their family

as well. Doctors do ask about family history, don't they, so what is

going wrong with the system at the moment? I think it is about access

to current guidance, really. The guidance is a rapidly evolving area

and we are learning a lot more about what patients should be. Should they

be eligible for early testing, screening? It is about access to

that guidance. A lot of clinicians are busy. GPs and doctors in the

hospital who maybe don't have time to look up published guidance and

the new published literature. This is about giving them something at

their fingertips that they can use with the patient in the clinic,

though through a series of questions about their family history, medical

history, give them a risk assessment and either be able to reassure them

or say, actually, I think we need to refer you onto specialist services.

You were diagnosed with breast cancer in 2013 you had BRCA1 gene

mutation. Had he been aware of that? We had a strong history of breast

cancer in my family and 80 months right to my -- 18 months prior to my

diagnosis, I found a lump and was referred, where I was told there was

nothing wrong. I was given the option of going to a specialist

clinic and run the risk assessment when it I was told I had a moderate

risk to developing breast cancer because of my family history. You at

that stage knew that you had the BRCA1 Jean, did you? I was not

offering genetic testing at the time -- offered genetic testing at the

time because of the nice guidelines at the time but 18 months later when

I was diagnosed, I was given the opportunity to go for genetic

testing which proved that we did have the BRCA1 in the family.

Potentially, if the ad had been available 18 months prior to one I

was diagnosed, it could have made a significant difference to me. You

could have discovered that you had a greater risks are you could have had

preventative surgery rather than treatment? Absolutely. How would you

have reacted to that, do you think? That resource. Dilemmas out there

that aren't there -- that throws all sorts of dilemmas out there until

you have had something confirmed? We always thought there was something

genetic in the family. Had I had the opportunity to have genetic testing

18 months earlier, I believe I would have explored that. Definitely. How

helpful if it for people to be tested? What is your perspective on

that because obviously it does throughout dilemmas for families

when they know that this gene is within the Amelie of how to deal

with that? It is about making informed choices about the future.

Please spell out what the BRCA1 gene means for your chances? They are at

much higher risks of breast cancer or ovarian cancer if a woman carries

the BRCA1 gene. Those risks can be up to 80% for breast cancer over a

woman's lifetime, and 50% of ovarian cancer, compared to a 12% risk of

breast cancer in the general population and a 2% risk of ovarian

cancer. We know now that patients with cancer who carried the BRCA1

gene, Errani therapy such -- there are new therapies which target those

genes specifically. There are the mastectomies, early surveillance

that can be put into place for women as well. Yes, it can be difficult

for families to come to terms with the knowledge that there could be an

inherited risk, but it is about empowering people to make informed

decisions and giving them control over sometimes what can be a burden

of cancer in the family. Thank you both very much.

Let's just bring you some comments on the conversation we just had

about that and that's all pensioners defrauded to the tune of 100 -- of

?1 million, 140 of them losing out. Emily says, why would someone move

their money into someone else's account? Someone else says, for all

those clever clogs who say why did she get taken in, have you watched

the video? She is the older who probably don't know about scams and

is brought up to respect a policeman and thought her money was in danger

and felt vulnerable. Someone else said, she got in touch and it's very

sad but why didn't she go to the police station to check? A tweet

says I'm a heartbreaking. Someone else there is, surely the bank

should pay back the money if they have authorised it and she has been

scammed? Two other people say the woman needs to take responsibility

for her own actions and not blame others for her naivete. Now let's

catch up with the weather. Well, it is made this weekend but we are

still talking about wintry weather. Snow is falling again across parts

of the United Kingdom. We have had some spectacular pictures. There is

eight centimetres of snow lying here. Other places also showing an

impressive covering. Heavy snowfalls overnight and three this morning

means issues on the roads in and around parts of Yorkshire and

Scotland. It is not just Yorkshire and southern Scotland either. The

Highlands have seen heavy snow falling as well. Across the

Highlands, the snow showers are fading away but still got some

problems across parts of south-east Gotland in particular and parts of

northern England. Someone in force from the Met office. -- some

warnings in force. Please use your local radio station for further

information. This shows the rain, in blue, and the snow, in white. We are

seeing snow mostly over higher ground, but the hills are not that

big. There will also be strong winds for the next few hours. The far

north of England stays wet and cold all day. Elsewhere, quite a lot of

sunshine around with some stands -- some showers developing through the

day. There will at least be some sunshine in between and when the sun

pops out, we should get to double figures. These temperatures well

below average for the time of year. In for a cold day in Scotland and

northern England. The wet weather will fade and the showers fade from

elsewhere, with a clean, clear night leaving us in a cold one. Rural

areas will be below freezing. Darkness, take note of that. Into

the long weekend and the low-pressure is moving out and we

are between weather systems. Saturday morning should be a

sparkling start to the long weekend. It will be cold but sunny. The cloud

bubbles up at the showers get going. Not as many as today and not as

wintry. Temperatures were widely getting into double digits. It gets

more mild again on Sunday, with the south-eastern quarter staying dry,

elsewhere with wind and rain picking up. Look at the numbers,

temperatures into double figures across the land. More mild steel

into bank holiday Monday. There will be rain around but probably only

bits and bobs before it turns brighter behind them. Crucially,

after such a cold week, it will be a lot milder. Some sunshine, yes there

will be some rain, but overall, given the wintry nature of the

weather at the moment, an improvement this weekend. Starting

to feel a little bit like May. Hello, I'm Joanna Gosling,

welcome to the programme Patients of one of the country's

biggest mental health trusts are 'at risk' and are not

being properly protected properly because of poor

management decisions. We hear from a father

who lost his son whilst he was under Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn says

everything is under control - despite strong criticism from senior

Labour figures for his handling of allegations of anti-semitism

within the party. Now Labour's deputy leader says

the party's rules could be changed. Are tests to assess 6 and 7 year

olds too high pressure Some parents feel so strongly

they're taking their kids out We'll be discussing it with parents,

teachers and test supporters. We go to the BBC Newsroom

for a summary of today's news. The NHS trust which ran one

of the biggest care providers in England is "continuing to put

patients at risk", according to the health regulator,

the Care Quality Commission. Southern Health has failed

to adopt safer guidelines two-and-a-half years

after a teenager drowned in a bath That led to an investigation

into hundreds of unexplained deaths. Last night, the chairman

of the trust resigned. Labour's deputy leader Tom Watson

has said a review of the party's rules and procedures will ensure it

has a zero-tolerance of racism, He was speaking after

the Shadow Home Secretary, Andy Burnham, said the leadership

had not dealt with such Jeremy Corbyn has denied Labour's

in crisis after the escalating row, over comments made

yesterday by the former London Mayor Ken Livingstone,

which has led to his suspension. John Landman is a Labour Party

activist. He believes that it is time for Mr Livingstone to resign. I

think what Ken said was very ill judged, intemperate, wrong, and

offensive. And I think the trouble is, Ken does not have a role any

more, but he is still someone who is invited into TV studios, and he said

some things which were very ill judged. He needs to recognise that

it is time for him to move on. Nine members of a gang

who scammed millions of pounds from pensioners are to be sentenced

at the Old Bailey today. The men tricked more

than 100 elderly and vulnerable people out of their life savings

and it's feared some of the money may have been intended to fund

the travel of people One victim told this

programme the impact the scam When I first learned that I was

scammed, I thought, could I live with myself, fought having lost so

much money? And the thought of suicide did pass through my mind.

But then I realised, it was not the answer. I still feel traumatised, or

have lost all faith in my own judgment, I find it hard to trust

people again without the help of friends and family I don't think I

could have got through. Head teachers have attacked

the government's testing regime for primary schools in England,

calling it chaotic and distracting. Gathering for their annual

conference in Birmingham, the National Association

of Head Teachers said the current system was good

for bureaucrats and politicians, but didn't work for

pupils or teachers. The government says tests have been

updated to reflect a more Investigators examining the death

of the musician Prince are reportedly looking

at the possibility he overdosed Days before his death last

week, his private plane made an emergency landing,

so he could receive The Associated Press agency says

officials are checking whether a doctor was on the plane,

and if Prince had been prescribed painkillers, which may have

contributed to his death. Hundreds of demonstrators have

blocked traffic outside a venue in California where Republican

presidential hopeful Donald Trump A police car

had its windows smashed as Mr Trump spoke inside a hall

in the Orange County Fairgrounds. 20 people are reported

to have been arrested. The Republican frontrunner,

who has vowed to deport millions of illegal immigrants,

faces strong opposition in parts of the state, particularly

among Latinos. That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10.30. Thanks for your comments on SATS

tests for primary school children. We'll be discussing the tests

a little later this hour. Maria got in touch to say -

"Please let kids be kids. They learn much more

through play and discovery. No wonder mental health

is on the rise in youngsters." And Emma texted to say -

"Training children for tests wastes SATs tests are a political

tool and nothing more." Do get in touch with us

throughout the morning - use the hashtag and if you text,

you will be charged Sport now with Jessica -

and you have an update on the so-called "week from hell"

in British cycling - A terrible week. British cycling has

been hit by one controversy after another. It has been described as

the week from hell. Today, we have news that Simon Yates has failed a

drugs test. Simon Brotherton joins us now. What can you tell us about

the latest of the situation? His team have been very quick to issue a

statement claiming that it is their fault, not his. We are talking about

something that is called terbutaline. It is used to treat

asthma. Crucially, they have not applied for what is eight TUV, a

therapeutic exemption certificate. They are claiming it is an

administrative area, and the person involved takes full response

Bonucci. Simon Yates is a 23-year-old from Barry. -- Mary.

Adam is just as talented as his brother Simon, and he is one a

points race in 2013. He is, or would be, a major contender for Britain's

Olympic team in Mayo. -- Rio. What can we expect in terms of

punishment, even though the team have taken response politicos like

that remains to be seen. He is outside the rules. Has he got this

exemption certificate, it would not have been a problem. We need to hear

the reaction of the UCI. We help will have to wait and let the

process takes this course. I do not know where it will go, to be honest.

We have seen British cycling under the spotlight because of Shane

Sutton was accused of disco retreat remarks. -- discriminatory remarks.

We are in the position with him, after the allegations of sexism from

Jess Varnish, and the allegations of the use of derogatory language

against the Paralympic team, Shane Sutton is straight should --

straight talking, abrasive. That is not new. His methods work

brilliantly for some people, like Bradley Wiggins. Clearly, these same

methods and his style does not work with others, who felt intimidated.

But he did play a major role for the rights in recent years. He was best

suited to his role as head coach when Dave Brailsford was there.

There is also controversy about the sale of kit online. It cycling says

that any kit has not been given away or sold for profit. Their are

investigations into claims that kit and a high-performance bike was made

available online. British cycling are saying that sometimes, kit is

sold with money reinvested into the team. Sometimes, it is given as

payment in kind. We will keep you up-to-date with that. That is all

the support from now. -- sport. For the past few years one

of country's biggest mental health trusts has been hit by a series

of scandals - unexpected deaths, damning reports,

and claims of bad practice. Now a inspection, which was ordered

by the government, has found that, despite warnings, Southern Health

is still not doing enough The Trust looks after patients

in Hampshire, Dorset, Wiltshire, Last night, the Chairman resigned

so that improvements could be made. Here's what the Care

Quality Commission, which ran the inspection,

had to say about what it found. Reports of an group -- of our most

recent inspection in January this year it found serious failings in

the governments of the organisation, particularly around investigating

the death of people in care at the trust. We were concerned about the

safety of some of the ward environments, from the trust not

learning from the investigations of previous incidents. We think that

this is a failure of governance and leadership.

The inspection follows on from the death of 18-year-old

He drowned in the bath after a seizure while he was at

His family have been spoking to the BBC this morning.

If we had known anything of any of the things we now know, we would not

have at misses him to the unit that night. We have found out in the

three years since that happened, things which are deeply disturbing,

not just about Connor, but about other families. What I find

particularly disturbing about this case is that if Connor had not died,

which obviously we would prefer that had he not died, but none of this

would have come out. What is so disappointing about the regulatory

regime is it if it is reactive, and relies on people, carers, concerned

individuals, to keep going and keep going. This trust try to bury what

happened to Connor, and had we not been there for Connor, they probably

would have not been able to do that. His son David had a history

of mental health problems. He died in 2013 from a drug

overdose, while under the care Thank you for coming in. He was 28

when he died. He was. Tell us about the first time he was under the care

of Southern health. He moved to the area where I lived around Fareham

because he was physically abuse when he was in Swindon. He came under the

care of Southern Health at that time. You have brought in some

pictures about him when he was a little boy. Tell us about him. This

was him when he was two years old. He was a premature baby. He was a

forceps delivery. He had vetoed distress. It was my belief that he

had a brain injury at birth. He had three siblings, and he was always a

little bit different? He was the eldest, so it is difficult when it

is your oldest, because you don't know if it is normal or not. He was

always up at 4am or 5am, very hyperactive. But he did not get on

too well with other children. He found it difficult. He was very

strange in his manner, he had an excellent vocabulary, he used to

read encyclopaedias, he was top 1% by weight of IQ, but he could not

tell the time, could not tie his shoelaces at ten years of age. So he

is a little boy that you had concerns about. When did the

concerned stock to escalate? When he was very young. At six or seven,

will realise that something was not quite right. We took import

he was dyspraxic, dyslexic. He had a torrid time at school. He ended up

under the care of Southern Health. What were the particular issues that

he was treated for? He fell in with the wrong crowd, he found drugs, he

found drink, and he did that to excess. He was a difficult patient.

I make no bones about it. I'm sure he was not easy to deal with.

Southern Health... What were the issues? He disengaged when he wanted

to. He found it difficult to go to meetings. He found it difficult to

travel, he did not like to travel on buses. He was paranoid that people

were talking about him. Everything was difficult in his life. That

actually was one of the issues it was reported in the CTC report. When

a patient was not showing up for appointments. What happened?

In June 2013, he didn't show up for one of the appointments and a

consultant psychiatrist who had never met him before, had no

dealings with him whatsoever, discharged him from the service and

major rocketry and unprofessional comments. Called him toxic on his

patient notes, discharged him without writing to the doctor, his

GP. So for ten weeks, he was caught without any medication and he had

been on strong medication and he couldn't get access back to the

mental health team he couldn't get access to his GP. He was caught

completely in no man's land. Were you aware at the time? No, I wasn't,

and I was castigating him because I was saying, why haven't you got an

appointment for the mental health team? And he said, they are telling

me I've been discharged when I call them. I said, call the GP. He said,

I have called them and they said they haven't received a letter. As

far as they were aware, he was still being dealt with by the mental

health team. When did you discover he had been described as toxic?

After he died, Southern Health contacted me. Several managers there

were very kind, considerate and professional and they said they were

doing an investigation. Subsequent to that, they met me and told me

that there were two rocketry comments and that there was this

problem in June 2013 where he had been discharged inappropriately. How

did you feel when you knew that? I was pretty shocked, I was very angry

and I was particularly concerned, because on my son's report that they

did, they said there were a lot of issues, such as risk assessment not

been done correctly, a care plan not being there, crisis management not

being updated. The thing was, they said this was happening in a lot of

other reports that they were doing on other deaths. That was the first

thing that triggered my real concern. Then I heard about Connor

Sparrowhawk and his death. He is preventable death. An awful death. I

became even more angry. Then I looked around and there were lots of

other families in Hampshire where they had died, coroners had

criticised them, there had been inquest and they hadn't learned

lessons. Do you think if he had been treated somewhere else, David might

still be alive? Who knows. He always led a chaotic life. He took illegal

drugs and I have to accept that. I accept that he might not have made

old bones but I think there were ways he could have been treated. The

thing that I find difficult now is that I've just had a PHS O2 report,

which is the ombudsman who look at complaints, because I made a

complaint about Southern Health, and it's just been released this week

and they have upheld quite a lot of the complaints I made about Southern

Health. I think the other thing is, on top of this report, you have the

CQC reports that have been telling them for years they are not doing

things right and the other really important thing that isn't mentioned

at the moment is a chap by the name of Matt Holder who is a health and

safety expert. He was employed by the trust in 2012. He was there for

three months and he resigned because he said their health and safety

culture was dysfunctional. He set out in a long letter to them exactly

what they were doing wrong, what they were not addressing and these

were things like obligatory points. What has happened is they haven't

addressed these issues. That is reinforced by the Mars report.

Reinforced by the key CQC reports over a long period of time. Do you

have confidence now there are these reports that the spotlight is on and

things will change? The chairman of the trust have gone. I've got no

confidence at all. They haven't changed in four years. They've been

constantly told that things are wrong and they seem incapable of

being able to deal with them. With this report in January, it is the

same thing again. They are telling them the same things they have told

them for three years. It is dreadful. It is now a public safety

issue. I have got great admiration for Sarah Ryan, her family have been

fantastic in trying to keep going with this. Trying to raise the

profile and say there is a desperate problem. I have got no confidence

that they are capable of changing. When you've been through what you've

been through and then you have to fight after it, what does that do to

you? It doesn't make life very comfortable. I don't want to fight

all the time but I think the lessons haven't been learnt. There has been

a history with Southern Health that they have said to coroners, to the

press, to the families, we are learning lessons, and quite clearly

they are not. If you look at the ligature points, Ravenswood house to

take one example, it took over four years before they were able to

Philippe get all the ligature points sorted out -- fully get all the

ligature points sorted out. Why does it take four years when this is a

matter of safety? I don't understand it. They have spent huge amounts of

money own -- on a leadership programme and yet they have these

ligature points which are safety issues that they haven't addressed.

They have been told over and over again and the CQC have told them

time and time again and they still haven't done it. I haven't got the

answers and I wish somebody at the trust would explain, give us the

answers. They don't seem to want to answer the questions and they are

not listening. Thank you very much. We invited Southern Health

onto our programme to talk about today's report,

but they declined. They did give this interview to our

correspondent Michael Buchanan. We have a really difficult balance

to strike in terms of managing risk. I think all of the people in our

mental health services who access our services pose some kind of risk.

Looking at the care for those individuals, looking at their needs

and balancing that with the kind of restrictions that we place around a

service if they really challenging job. Sometimes we get it wrong. Most

of the time, I think we get it right. When we get it wrong, what we

need to do, what we do do, is sit back and reflect and really

understand what went wrong and make changes.

Dog owners are being warned about the outbreak of a potentially

There've been several cases in the UK.

We'll have an animal health expert on the show and do get

in touch with your concerns if you're a dog-owner.

Use the hashtag VictoriaLIVE and if you text, you will be charged

The new set of SATs tests for six and seven-year-olds

is being criticised by head teachers and parents alike

Head teachers are meeting today for their annual conference and will

argue that the government should stop enforcing these assessments.

And some parents are planning to protest against the tests

by taking their six and seven-year-olds out of school

We can speak now to Laura Evans Vogel who's got two children

at primary school and is a teacher herself; Mark Tuffney,

who's Head Teacher at Lowther Primary School in London,

Helena Rooney an Assistant Head at Little Ealing Primary.

Jenny Veitch, whose son Harry is at primary school and we also

have Jonathan Simons, a former government adviser on education.

Thank you all very much for joining us. Laura, you are a parent and a

teacher. What do you think about these stats? They are very, very

concerning. Conversations that I have about these with parents across

London and the country, we are seeing the effects on our children.

Lots of anxiety, lots of fear, not looking forward to going to school.

Lots of apprehension. How much are you seeing that? Are you seeing it

in your own child? At the current moment, my own child's school is not

putting of pressure on the SATS, but two years ago, my son was in a

situation, in a curriculum setting that was very arduous, very skills

-based, and while lots of kids did really well, I saw my own son suffer

from this. He became very anxious and would repeatedly ask for

confirmation that he wasn't doing anything wrong. That is very

concerning behaviour at home. And you were sure this was just from

academic pressure? When he was three the situation, we got our little boy

back and he is now in a normal school with a normal broad

curriculum doing the normal things that the national curriculum serves,

art, enjoyable things. When it was narrow, he did not do well in this.

Based on this experience, speaking with other campaigners and teachers,

they are seeing this particularly this year on this set of SATS. Let's

bring in Jenny, because you've got two sons, your youngest is seven,

and you are taking him out of school next week as part of the campaign.

Why are you doing that? I joined the let our kids be kids campaign after

meeting with a teacher at school, in fact, who brought all the parents in

to show them what the key state once that was going to look like this

year. This has never been done before my 14-year-old son did his

key stage one SATS seven years ago and he didn't even know he was doing

a test. I didn't know he was doing a test. He was seven. We were taken

into a room and were told that our children, despite the wonderful

environment they were taught in, they would not achieve the

age-related expectations this year. I am not bothered about the results.

We don't care whether our children pass a test at six or seven. It has

no bearing on what they go on to do in later life. What we do care about

is this very narrow curriculum which the government has imposed on our

teachers for very young children whose minds are not developed enough

for the curriculum. Please explain for parents or anyone without

children of that hate what the difference would be. Is there no

room for anything other than academia for six and seven-year-olds

now? I am saying that our teachers are wonderfully creative and we

support our teachers but our teachers build the bridge to put six

and seven-year-olds through a key stage one SATS test that two years

ago is actually the level for a year for child. A child two years older.

The government have brought in this very rigorous, narrow curriculum and

they think by making tests harder, we will make our teachers -- our

children writer. That is not the case. I just want to bring in Mark,

the headteacher of a primary. Do you think expectations have stepped up

that much? Most certainly. The new curriculum is definitely challenging

and it is concerning around the level that children are expected to

reach at primary. For me, assessment has changed this year anyway. The

abolition of levels. For me, the plans that have been made haven't

really been thought through in enough detail. What teacher doesn't

want children to be enjoying their learning, to be having fun, to be

expressive, to use their imagination and creativity? There with a lot of

pressure now on teachers. SATS have been there for a long time but we

were told as a school we would have more autonomy on what we deliver

this year and if you ask teachers and other headteachers, they would

say we have less autonomy. Let's bring in Jonathan. But your

perspective on this? The claim is kids are being asked to do things at

six and seven that are beyond their capabilities. There are a couple of

things worth saying here and the best is, I am a parent. I have two

young children and I have lots of friends with primary children as

well. The one thing we all have in common is that we want our kids to

be happy and excited at school but we also want to know if they are

learning and achieving what they can to be successful in life. The key

stage one SATS, as the headteacher said, have been more -- made more

stretching this year. The government is expecting more of those children.

I don't have an issue with big and wanting my children when they said a

test to do as well as Tilden of the same age around the world. That

doesn't seem to need to be an unreasonable thing to want to do.

When you hear about parents being stressed out, what do you think

about it? Inevitably, there is going to be some pressure around the test.

But ultimately, it is the response ability of parents and headteachers

to work together to make the environment as supportive as

possible for the children. There is no reason at all what the children

cannot be supported tested in a supportive atmosphere. Any school

that is reducing a child to tears, that is appalling. I would like to

pick up a couple of points there. The content of the test is not age

and stage appropriate. We are putting too much into it. Give us

some examples. In year six and seven, I went on a standardisation

meeting to make sure that standards are crossed year to across all of

Ealing Borough were the same, and we were supposed to look at the

children's work and moderate it. Most of that was talking about

putting extra oratory sentences into their children's work, what is an

exclamation sentence? Surely children put exclamation in. So

children are now saying, the children in my class are writing

those kinds of sentences. Do you think that is too much for six or

seven-year-old? I think it is a perfectly acceptable... It is a tick

box. If the kids can do it... I am all for raising levels and the rest

of it, but that is just one out of a number of objectives. If you are

looking at year six, four children to pass their writing level, they

are at something like 1500 judgments that the teacher has to make of that

class. They have to make sure that they are secure in all areas of that

curriculum, and in previous curricula. If they don't, they can

slip back. We can have a very good writer who is Dick -- dyslexic, but

they will not pass the state to -- the year six writing test. I still

test you six once a week, and I want children to be able to express

themselves and to be able to write creatively with imagination. At the

moment, the way that the interim framework is setup, children have to

achieve every single criteria to get an page level. You say that is

stifling creativity? I think another missed opportunity is teacher

expressed -- -- it is not about a teacher's Best fit. You have to do X

and Y to be at an expected level. They come outside of -- the parents

need to work best. How much responsibility do parents

had to take for not getting the kids too worked up about this stuff? We

definitely have a role to play in that and the schools do, too. Can I

just say one more thing to illustrate? The six of us were given

an assessment. Everyone write a brilliant piece of writing. We would

sit and come up with something clever. The disgruntled middle-aged

classroom teacher! But let's say that we wanted to be grammatically

correct and spelt correctly and to have these particular punctuation

marks are put in it. What we would find is that everyone of us would

write a very different piece of writing, it will be less engaging

and less interesting. And less fit for purpose. We want to teach kids

to write coming really interesting. You are shaking your head. If you

went into Waterstones or any book, and picked up any spelling but that

bestselling book, particular world of anti-ageing, one thing is they

are completely correct elite punctuated. There is no distinction.

The introduction to the grammar tests, is needed. It is well

received by schools. What we are missing is that some of the content

is not actually relevant, and do we need children to know all of the

grammatical terminology? Yes, we do. Which bits of English grammar do we

consider children do not have a right to know? We are talking about

the actual language. Yes! You are all talking over each other. We are

talking here about key stage one sacks. Six and seven-year-olds.

Their brains are not equipped to do this level of learning. We are not

going to make our kids brighter by getting them to learn things early.

A child's brain needs to relax. They can handle a Mac progeny -- problem

for ten minutes. The figure at play, they can come back and do that

problem. This is about a curriculum that is age inappropriate. The saps

are inappropriate. We are not against rating standards. We are not

against the government wanting our children to be fantastic in life. We

are not against that. What we are against is this exam factory that

the government are imposing on our schools. If I can add to that, we

need to recognise that progress in children is not linear. Children

regress at different rates. Some children will be ready for those

assessments, and that is absolutely right, but many children are not,

and if you think about your own development, if we do not -- we do

not draw a graft of our development. We progress at different rates. I

want the flexibility in school to do that. We are at the start of a

process. What impact will this have on kids? The teaches art shouldering

a lot of the burden. We cannot say that there are thresholds. What is a

passport going to look like? The agencies do not know what that is

going to look like, so we will have to wait and see what the thresholds

are, and will be feeling is that we want the children to do the best

they can, and get everything the best they possibly can. We can make

it fun and creative, but they will feel the tension within the schools.

Thank you very much for a lively debate.

The UKIP leader Nigel Farage is making a speech in

Westminster about security - arguing that the UK would be

Americans don't use the word queue, they sate line, with just about

proves to me the point that he was saying what Cameron had asked in to

do. But as a result of this promotes list torrent, the league campaign,

the official league campaign has effectively spent the last fortnight

defending its own goal, doing their best to stop the other side,

decrying all that has been set as nonsense but not being as assertive

as they should be. I am very pleased that in the last few days, Professor

Patrick Minford and others have stood up and said not only is what

the Romanian two are saying rubbish, and did you get that? No, it's all

right. But the trade deal is a rotten deal. For tariff free access

to the single market, we have to wait the free movement of people.

And for the fact that only 12% of the British economy is engaged in

exports to the European Union. 100% of our businesses have to accept EU

regulation and law. And outside of this single market, we will be

better off. Food will be cheaper, cars will be cheaper, and even the

worst case scenario, which is that there is no deal, there is no

successful conclusion of talks at the end of two years, even the worst

case scenario under WTO rules, the total amount of tariffs only amount

to two thirds of our net contribution to this club. So we

need to be much more assertive in making the economic point that

Britain will be better off outside of the European Union whatever those

negotiations lead to. But all of that is being in our half of the

pitch. And as a family, with a long standing record, generations of

supporting Crystal Palace, who are now in the FA Cup final, I am

pleased to say. I am in London! I thought I would get more support for

that. I have urged Vote Leave, the official designated campaign. We

need to tackle the enemy's goal. It is about open-door migration, the

vet that it is had on the lives of ordinary Britain over the last

decade, and the threat that it poses, given the new terror and

security threats that we face in the West. I am sorry to say that they do

not appear to have done it. I don't think they have within them to make

there is credible oddments. If you have been part of the Cabinet that

is overseeing net migration, and that is if you believe the official

figures, which seemed to be corrected by the week, but if you

are part of the Cabinet that has seen net migration running at record

levels, and running at ten times the post-war Amory -- average, you are

not best placed to make that judgment. I tried hard over the

course of the weekend to say, look, we must let bygones be bygones.

Whatever has been said in the past is 11 -- irrelevant, we need to be

together. And I would love myself and Ukip to work with you on this

campaign, because actually, we, we are the form horses when it comes to

eat immigration, the impact that it has had on people in this country,

and I am sorry to say that every time that I attempt to try and work

with them, I am rebuffed and rejected. If they don't want us to

be part of their campaign, we will make our arguments ourselves, and we

will between now and June 23 make one very simple point. When Theresa

May says that it is difficult to control immigration as a member of

the European Union she is wrong. It is not difficult. It is impossible.

APPLAUSE And the reason is all too clear.

This is a British passport. And one of the first -- the first two words

on it are European Union. Since Maastricht, we have been citizens of

the European Union. This passport is available to 508 million people. And

yes, we are able, not being able to -- being part of Schengen, to get

them to show their passports at Dover. But we cannot stop people

settling in this country and... We warned in 2004 that letting in the

former communist countries wouldn't lead not just at total lot is --

loss of control, but an unprecedented flow into Britain, and

we have been proved right. And yet the Westminster set still have not

really clocked it. I guess it is because so many of them come from

such privileged and wealthy backgrounds, and so rarely ever

stray outside the M25. Many of them think that open-door mass

immigration is terrific! And in some ways, for them, it is. Because it is

cheaper nannies, and it is cheaper chauffeurs, and it is cheaper

Gardners, and if you own a big business in agriculture or

Manufacturing building, it gives you access to unlimited amounts of cheap

labour. But the impact of this has been felt by ordinary decent people

in this country. Just think about housing. Here we are in London with

a massive housing crisis. And we learn, of course, that the green

belt, the green belt that many of us love so much around London, is

directly under threat. Is it any wonder, given current levels of

immigration into Britain that we have to build a new house every

seven minutes just to cope with the current flow of people? And what

about primary school places? With an explosion in the birth rate from

newly arrived people, we estimate that we are going to have defined

another 200,000 school places into 2020. But I say estimate, because

the point is that good government is about planning forward. But how can

you plan forward for public service provision when you only have

open-door immigration and you have no idea in five years' time with the

nearest 2 million hammy people will actually be living in the country?

You can't. As far as the NHS is concerned, I did try last year in

the general election to raise the issue of health tourism, but a

simple fact is that last year the British government paid out ?6.2

billion Sterling two European hospitals that treated British

patients. Despite the fact that there are many more EU nationals

living in Britain than there are British nationals living in the EU,

for the sixth 2.2 billion we sent in that direction, how much came back?

405 million. -- 6.2 billion. Whichever way you cut this, you are

getting a rotten deal in terms of the health service. I know the

Chancellor will tell you that our GDP is going up but if you're

population increases by 500 thousand a year, that's not particularly

surprising, is it? The question is, is GDP per capita going up and it is

not. The bank of England are clear that what ordinary working people on

average salaries, their real wages, there is real living standards have

declined by 10% since 2008 and perhaps that's why there are so many

people out there, hard-working Britons out there that have switched

their allegiance to us because they are the ones who pay the price for

irresponsible open door migration. There are other things we cannot put

a cost on. Social cohesion. A sense in our cities and market towns that

we are one community living together. That, of course, has

become increasingly divided, fragmented, segmented within our

towns and cities because the shore pace of people coming has been too

great to integrate. There are also indications for crime. The fact that

41% of registered crime in London is now committed by foreign nationals

is, I would suggest, a source of concern and says to me that post

Brexit what we need to do is put in place an immigration and work permit

scheme along the lines of countries like Australia put into place. We

want good people to come to our country. We don't want to

discriminate against them because they are from India or New Zealand

in favour of bog area and Romania. We should be open to the world and

want people in sensible numbers with skills, with trades, who haven't got

criminal records and are prepared to pay their own medical insurance for

at least five years. That is the future, I believe. Nigel Farage on

why he thinks the UK should exit the you when we vote in the referendum

on the 23rd of June. Let's bring you a flavour of your comments on SATS

testing. Maria has tweeted, bring back teacher led assessments instead

of SATS. Neither teachers and pupils need this pressure. Someone else

tweeted, SATS unnecessary, get over it. -- are necessary. Surely you can

tell if a child is below standard from their schoolwork? My kids

headteacher said you would be reporting if I went ahead with the

strike. Karen e-mailed saying, how do the teachers know this is a test?

Teachers should make it fun and just another day at school. They are

stressing and passing it on to the children. Thanks for your comments.

Please keep them coming in. Also coming up, dog owners are being

warned to check their dogs for signs of three potentially dangerous

illnesses. British cycling has been hit by one

controversy after another Now a rising star of road racing

and an Olympic hopeful, Simon Yates has failed

a competition drugs test. The 23-year-old cyclist tested

positive for a banned substance but his team says it was just

an administrative error The latest blow to British cycling's

image led to a tweet from six Earlier this week technical director

Shane Sutton resigned from his position over allegations

of sexism and discrimination. Let's speak to the former

World Champion cyclist and the former president

of British Cycling, Tony Doyle. Good morning. Thanks for joining us.

Please tell us your thoughts on Simon Yates. He is a rising star and

possible Olympic contender. Most definitely. He is a rider with a

huge amount of potential. His twin brother, Adam Yates, they are both

fantastic riders with real potential, not just for Rio but for

way beyond. They are only 23. He has been very unfortunate that he has

fallen foul of an administrative error that shouldn't have happened.

He was taking an inhaler for a problem with asthma and the rules in

cycling are so stringent that you can't fall fowl in any way

whatsoever, so his team should have notified the world governing body in

advance. The team doctor has admitted it was a mistake and he has

totally put his hand up and said, it shouldn't have happened and he was

out of order. It is tragic for Simon and obviously a big blow to British

cycling but hopefully they will be able to overcome this setback and

realise that it wasn't a question of trying to cheat, it was just purely

medicine for asthma and it was a technical error that the governing

body wasn't notified. So the team have put out a statement saying they

take full responsibility and wish to underline their support for Simon

during this process. Should it be quite easy to clear up? It's never

easy because obviously the rules are very strict. Cycling is the

strictest sport. We have more control than any other sport. If you

are guilty, you are named and shamed. Hopefully some common sense

will prevail. In sport now, the regulations are so strict. Cobb

medicines, eye drops, inhalers for asthma which the average person on

the street can take, we can't take without permission. What are your

thoughts on Shane Sutton going? What impact will that have? It has been a

difficult time. It has been a very difficult time. The past couple of

weeks for British cycling have been many mental. Shane is a fantastic

motivator and an inspiration for British cycling. Since he has been

involved with the British cycling Federation, as a nation at world and

Olympic level, we have gone from strength to strength. The fact that

he will not be at Rio with our team and will walk away from British

cycling, that is a huge loss. It is similar to the last that Manchester

United has that with the loss of Alex Ferguson. Shane and sialic are

irreplaceable. Thank you very much for joining us. Let's just bring you

some breaking news from the Old Bailey. We are just hearing that

Arthur Simson Kent has admitting -- admitted to the killing of his

girlfriend, the former East Enders actress, and their two young

children. His barrister has told the Old Bailey that. He said this could

be reported because the jury would be told, though he asked that his

client was not made to make a plea until a later date. He was due to

face a court hearing in October but he has admitted to killing Sian

Blake and their two young children. Dog owners are being warned

about taking their pets on holiday. It's over fears about the spread

of three deadly diseases Popular holiday areas have been

identified, with Devon being one of them, as carrying these diseases