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Hello, it's Thursday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire, | :00:08. | :00:09. | |
This morning - are mainstream schools failing children | :00:10. | :00:15. | |
with special educational needs or disabilities? | :00:16. | :00:17. | |
A new report claims many schools in England don't have the funding | :00:18. | :00:20. | |
Parents will tell us their experiences. My son is a bright and | :00:21. | :00:36. | |
capable boy who also has autism. With the right support he could | :00:37. | :00:39. | |
succeed at secondary school mainstream but we have had to fight | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
for everything and now he is not in school at all. | :00:44. | :00:48. | |
I am really keen to hear your experiences this morning. | :00:49. | :00:50. | |
Also on the programme - Johnny Depp's estranged wife | :00:51. | :00:52. | |
has given a police statement about alleged domestic abuse - | :00:53. | :00:54. | |
it's claimed in one incident the actor tried to smother | :00:55. | :00:57. | |
Amber Heard with a pillow whilst drunk. | :00:58. | :00:58. | |
He denies it all - we'll bring you the story. | :00:59. | :01:01. | |
And, the extraordinary story of a baby swapped at birth | :01:02. | :01:03. | |
We'll bring you the full interview with the parents who have finally | :01:04. | :01:08. | |
been allowed to return home with their one-year-old son - | :01:09. | :01:10. | |
having missed the first four months of his life. | :01:11. | :01:12. | |
The thought that the baby I had been nursing, taken care of, | :01:13. | :01:18. | |
loving him, bathing him, that he was not mine and then | :01:19. | :01:26. | |
I had another thought which came with it - | :01:27. | :01:29. | |
Throughout the programme we'll bring you the latest breaking news | :01:30. | :01:51. | |
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn is due to give a speech after 10 this | :01:52. | :01:55. | |
morning where he'll say the UK leaving the European Union would be | :01:56. | :01:58. | |
a "disaster for the majority of people" in this country. | :01:59. | :02:01. | |
Plus - we'll look at the extension to the Government's right to buy | :02:02. | :02:08. | |
scheme which means people housing association tenants could | :02:09. | :02:15. | |
scheme which means people, who are housing | :02:16. | :02:18. | |
association tenants could have the right to buy their homes. | :02:19. | :02:20. | |
Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning - | :02:21. | :02:25. | |
use the hashtag VictoriaLive and if you text, you will be charged | :02:26. | :02:28. | |
Our top story today - it's just three weeks | :02:29. | :02:32. | |
until voters across the country will cast their ballot and decide | :02:33. | :02:34. | |
whether or not to stay in or leave the European Union. | :02:35. | :02:37. | |
This morning, Labour is being urged to do more to argue the case | :02:38. | :02:40. | |
Party leader Jeremy Corbyn's been a less prominent voice | :02:41. | :02:43. | |
in the campaign so far - but he's giving a key speech | :02:44. | :02:46. | |
With us now is our political guru Norman Smith. | :02:47. | :02:51. | |
Why is it important for the leader of the Labour Party to say what he | :02:52. | :02:57. | |
really thinks about this issue? Because there is minor panic | :02:58. | :03:03. | |
breaking out in the Remain campaign that many Labour voters are | :03:04. | :03:06. | |
confused, uncertain and apathetic about what they should do in this | :03:07. | :03:11. | |
referendum. We heard from one MP who has long-term Labour supporters | :03:12. | :03:16. | |
bringing her up and saying, which way should I vote? There has been a | :03:17. | :03:20. | |
view that Jeremy Corbyn has been sitting in his office, not getting | :03:21. | :03:24. | |
out and about enough, trying to bang the drum for staying in the EU. | :03:25. | :03:30. | |
Today, he will argue that the EU guarantees fast amounts of | :03:31. | :03:35. | |
employment rights, things like equal pay, guaranteed holidays, protection | :03:36. | :03:39. | |
for part-time workers, maternity workers, or guaranteed by the EU. If | :03:40. | :03:45. | |
they pull out -- if we pull out, he warns all that could be at risk. But | :03:46. | :03:50. | |
the concerns are huge. We heard from the new leader of the GMB Tim Roach | :03:51. | :03:55. | |
this morning, he said unless Jeremy Corbyn does more then the referendum | :03:56. | :03:57. | |
will be lost. My biggest concern is that Labour | :03:58. | :04:07. | |
voters will stay at home and they will see it as a bunfight in the | :04:08. | :04:11. | |
Tory party. Let's be clear. This is one of the biggest decisions that | :04:12. | :04:14. | |
any of us will make in a generation and it will not just impact on | :04:15. | :04:18. | |
myself and my three kids, but probably on their kids as well. I | :04:19. | :04:24. | |
doubt there will be another vote like it in my lifetime. It may seem | :04:25. | :04:27. | |
easy to say, let's get out of Europe and see what it brings, let's stay | :04:28. | :04:38. | |
in. The other thing is Mr Corbyn has got to talk about immigration. For | :04:39. | :04:43. | |
voters, it is a massive issue. Bluntly, we have had zilch from Mr | :04:44. | :04:49. | |
Corbyn. I don't think he will be saying about it today either. | :04:50. | :04:54. | |
The Leave side are saying a lot about immigration and former cabinet | :04:55. | :04:57. | |
minister Iain Duncan Smith, another attack on Downing Street about | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
immigration today? Guess, they have made this their centrepiece of the | :05:03. | :05:07. | |
campaign. They want to make this referendum all about immigration it | :05:08. | :05:10. | |
seems. Today, Iain Duncan Smith accusing Downing Street of treating | :05:11. | :05:17. | |
voters with contempt, over their concerns about immigration and the | :05:18. | :05:25. | |
effect on schools and hospitals. Polling suggests the majority of | :05:26. | :05:29. | |
voters believe free movement of Labour, in other words, the free | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
access migrants get to the UK, has damaged public services. My sense | :05:35. | :05:38. | |
is, they will keep pushing and pushing and pushing on this, because | :05:39. | :05:42. | |
they believe it is a strategy which is working for them. Thank you. As I | :05:43. | :05:48. | |
said, we will hear some of Jeremy Corbyn's speech live after ten | :05:49. | :05:50. | |
o'clock. Annita McVeigh is in the BBC | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
Newsroom with a summary A couple who were given | :05:55. | :05:56. | |
the wrong baby by a hospital in El Salvador a year ago, | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
are finally back home after a long fight to be reunited | :06:02. | :06:04. | |
with the correct child. Richard Cushworth, who's British, | :06:05. | :06:07. | |
and his wife Mercedes, were given a birth certificate | :06:08. | :06:08. | |
for their son Moses They landed back home in Dallas, | :06:09. | :06:10. | |
Texas this week and have been Mr Cushworth describes the moment | :06:11. | :06:14. | |
he realised there had been The first trauma to me was, oh my | :06:15. | :06:29. | |
goodness, I have a child and my child is somewhere out there in the | :06:30. | :06:35. | |
world, where is he? Who is taking care of him? What happened to him? | :06:36. | :06:41. | |
How did this happen? Am I ever going to see him again? I felt a panic | :06:42. | :06:46. | |
that my only child was lost or stolen. I didn't know what it was. | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
And you can see more of that exclusive interview | :06:51. | :06:52. | |
At least five people have died after heavy flooding | :06:53. | :06:55. | |
Rivers have burst their banks in France and Germany. | :06:56. | :07:00. | |
Search teams in the Bavarian town of Simbach am Inn found the bodies | :07:01. | :07:03. | |
of three people killed when they became trapped in a house | :07:04. | :07:06. | |
In France, there're fears that water levels on the River Seine could rise | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
further, threatening more towns and villages. | :07:12. | :07:12. | |
This was the only way out for some who found themselves surrounded | :07:13. | :07:17. | |
Heavy rain forced the river right through this town in Bavaria. | :07:18. | :07:22. | |
Residents headed upstairs to escape the water, | :07:23. | :07:26. | |
then they waited to be rescued by boat, if not by air. | :07:27. | :07:30. | |
By night, they were assessing the damage and loss of life. | :07:31. | :07:34. | |
Four people died in their homes, close to the Austrian border. | :07:35. | :07:40. | |
TRANSLATION: There must have been flash floods where people had no | :07:41. | :07:43. | |
Those on the first floor were lucky and got out, | :07:44. | :07:48. | |
while unfortunately others did not make it. | :07:49. | :07:52. | |
Parts of France have seen the same sorts of problems. | :07:53. | :07:55. | |
An 86-year-old woman died when water rushed through her home. | :07:56. | :08:06. | |
These houes have all been evacuated, says the fireman. | :08:07. | :08:14. | |
It is only just possible to make out the murky shape of a car, | :08:15. | :08:17. | |
TRANSLATION: It's a challenge, because those places will need | :08:18. | :08:23. | |
It is difficult, but there is a sense of solidarity. | :08:24. | :08:28. | |
While thousands have been put into boats and moved, | :08:29. | :08:38. | |
in the French capital, trips on the river were cancelled | :08:39. | :08:41. | |
In just over a week, this country hosts | :08:42. | :08:47. | |
There is clearing up to do, and there's more rain to come. | :08:48. | :08:57. | |
Our Europe correspondent James Reynolds is by | :08:58. | :08:59. | |
James, just put this in context and give us a sense of how much the | :09:00. | :09:10. | |
river has risen? You can see from behind me how much the river has | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
risen and I can see why trips have been cancelled because boats won't | :09:16. | :09:21. | |
be able to make it under the bridges like the one behind me. The waters | :09:22. | :09:25. | |
have reached such as height. This capital is under a yellow alert. | :09:26. | :09:31. | |
There are eight areas on a higher orange alert. Two areas or under red | :09:32. | :09:36. | |
alert. The authorities in Paris say they do have the situation under | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
control. They have a plan which would siphon off floodwater in case | :09:41. | :09:47. | |
rains continue here. Thank you. James Reynolds in Paris for us. | :09:48. | :09:49. | |
A decision on the future of the high street retailer BHS | :09:50. | :09:52. | |
The company went into administration in April, a year after it was sold | :09:53. | :09:56. | |
If no buyer is found, BHS could be forced | :09:57. | :10:00. | |
into liquidation with the loss of eleven thousand jobs. | :10:01. | :10:09. | |
More allegations of domestic abuse have emerged in the troubled | :10:10. | :10:12. | |
marriage of Johnny Depp and Amber Heard. | :10:13. | :10:13. | |
The actor is denying all the allegations. | :10:14. | :10:18. | |
It's been claimed that Depp has attacked his wife at least | :10:19. | :10:21. | |
three times, including one occasion where he reportedly tried | :10:22. | :10:23. | |
to smother her with a pillow while drunk. | :10:24. | :10:25. | |
Amber Heard said in court papers that she feared for her life. | :10:26. | :10:28. | |
An audio recording of an emergency call made by a mother whose son fell | :10:29. | :10:31. | |
into a gorilla enclosure at Cincinnati Zoo has been released. | :10:32. | :11:01. | |
Shortly after that call was made the zoo shot | :11:02. | :11:03. | |
Harambe the gorilla dead, sparking global outrage. | :11:04. | :11:05. | |
The parents of the three-year-old have released a statement | :11:06. | :11:07. | |
saying their son is recovering well, but they could now face | :11:08. | :11:10. | |
criminal charges as police investigate the incident. | :11:11. | :11:17. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30 am. | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
Thank you. In the next few minutes, we will talk to parents of children | :11:22. | :11:31. | |
with specialist educational needs who say mainstream schools are | :11:32. | :11:36. | |
failing them. Quite a few have got in touch already. Naomi said | :11:37. | :11:40. | |
mainstream has failed my son for the last five years, and the local | :11:41. | :11:45. | |
special educational needs or disabilities department just | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
cancelled a meeting twice in a row without good reason. Our son is not | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
in school because nowhere can meet his needs. The local education | :11:55. | :11:59. | |
authority could not care less. Our son stands little chance of getting | :12:00. | :12:03. | |
any meaningful qualifications as a result of their failure, and will | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
likely to end up not in education, employment or training. | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
Another person said mainstream is failing my grandson big-time. I | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
cannot get him the help he so needs and he is almost ten. | :12:19. | :12:24. | |
That is clearly striking a chord. Do get in touch. Time for some sport | :12:25. | :12:27. | |
now with Hugh. Good morning. Andy Murray says he | :12:28. | :12:31. | |
believes he can win the French Open and he will be giving everything to | :12:32. | :12:36. | |
do so, after he set up a semifinal meeting with the defending champion | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
Stan Wawrinka. Murray came through in four sets against Richard | :12:42. | :12:47. | |
Gasquet. He was inspired by his home crowd in Paris. He took five | :12:48. | :12:52. | |
consecutive games to take it 7-5. The first two sets taking nearly two | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
hours but Murray came through in less than half that time. My last | :12:58. | :13:10. | |
opponent was even Karlovic. There were not many long rallies there. It | :13:11. | :13:15. | |
is a different way of playing. With Richard you have to be more patient | :13:16. | :13:20. | |
and rallies are longer. It was tough. I managed at the right | :13:21. | :13:29. | |
moment. Top seed Novak Djokovic is a match behind Murray. He beat Spain's | :13:30. | :13:38. | |
Roberto Bicester -- Roberto Bettis to add it. Poor weather also delayed | :13:39. | :13:44. | |
Serena Williams' fourth-round match from Monday until yesterday, but she | :13:45. | :13:52. | |
cruised 6-1, 6-1, against Elina Svitolina. | :13:53. | :13:57. | |
Portugal take on Wembley in their final warm up match -- Portugal take | :13:58. | :14:09. | |
on France. Cristiano Ronaldo will not feature for Portugal after he | :14:10. | :14:14. | |
was granted time off following Real Madrid's Champions League victory. | :14:15. | :14:21. | |
We are happy with the two opponents we have had so far. | :14:22. | :14:34. | |
We will come away satisfied with what we have done and I can be | :14:35. | :14:39. | |
satisfied with what I have seen, and I have to say the three preparation | :14:40. | :14:44. | |
games have served their purpose. Royal Troon is to hold a special | :14:45. | :14:48. | |
meeting at the beginning of July two proposed the introduction of female | :14:49. | :14:53. | |
members. The club is the host for this year's open which takes place | :14:54. | :14:56. | |
later that month. Last month, near Field's members voted not to admit | :14:57. | :15:04. | |
women knowing they would not be able to host the Open Championship. | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
Great Britain's female junior gymnasts have won silver medal in | :15:10. | :15:13. | |
Switzerland. The team finished second behind Russia. Britain's | :15:14. | :15:23. | |
female senior gymnasts get their competition underway later today. | :15:24. | :15:26. | |
Just before we go, some breaking news in the last few minutes. | :15:27. | :15:31. | |
Manchester City have announced they have signed a Borussia Dortmund | :15:32. | :15:35. | |
player on a four-year contract. More on that later. | :15:36. | :15:41. | |
Are mainstream schools failing children with special educational | :15:42. | :15:45. | |
Really keen to hear your own experiences this morning. | :15:46. | :15:49. | |
20 months ago the government changed the way those pupils | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
are funded through school - the Department for Education | :15:54. | :15:55. | |
called these reforms "the biggest in a generation." | :15:56. | :16:00. | |
It introduced personalised education, health and care plans | :16:01. | :16:02. | |
which would support children through to adulthood. | :16:03. | :16:04. | |
Now, a survey of more than a thousand head teachers | :16:05. | :16:06. | |
in England has found schools are strapped for cash | :16:07. | :16:08. | |
and the education of children with special needs | :16:09. | :16:10. | |
More than eight in ten mainstream schools across England do not have | :16:11. | :16:15. | |
sufficient funding adequately to provide for pupils with special | :16:16. | :16:17. | |
Almost nine in ten of school leaders think initial teacher training does | :16:18. | :16:25. | |
not adequately prepare teachers to support those pupils. | :16:26. | :16:31. | |
And three-quarters of schools have pupils who have been waiting longer | :16:32. | :16:34. | |
than the expected time for an assessment of special | :16:35. | :16:36. | |
educational needs or an education, health and care plan. | :16:37. | :16:45. | |
Let's talk to Tania Tirraoro and her 16-year-old son Giorgio. | :16:46. | :16:47. | |
Giorgio and his brother are autistic and were taken out of mainstream | :16:48. | :16:50. | |
Renata Blower's here with her three children. | :16:51. | :16:56. | |
Elliot is 13, Lilia is 11 and Dominic is 9. | :16:57. | :17:03. | |
Dominic's in a mainstream primary school and enjoys it, | :17:04. | :17:05. | |
but Elliot who has autism, OCD and anxiety problems has stopped | :17:06. | :17:12. | |
going to his secondary school altogether. | :17:13. | :17:18. | |
year old disabled son in the mainstream system. | :17:19. | :17:24. | |
He thinks schools find it easier to cope with physical disability | :17:25. | :17:27. | |
Tanya, Giorgio and Aluko have autism, and you move them out of | :17:28. | :17:56. | |
primary school. Giorgio found it difficult to go to school, he was | :17:57. | :18:00. | |
very bright, he could read at the age of three, but they placed him in | :18:01. | :18:04. | |
remedial English because he had writing difficulties, so instead of | :18:05. | :18:08. | |
supporting him with his intellectual peers, they put him down with the | :18:09. | :18:12. | |
children that he didn't want to go to, and one child came to me and | :18:13. | :18:17. | |
said they had to drag him to the lesson because he didn't want to go. | :18:18. | :18:23. | |
That is really not right. Did they have to drag you, Giorgio? Yes, I | :18:24. | :18:29. | |
felt in that class I wasn't really being challenged, and there was a | :18:30. | :18:35. | |
lot of work that I just found was below me or in a lot of cases was | :18:36. | :18:40. | |
too difficult. There was never an in between where I could be at the same | :18:41. | :18:48. | |
pace with my peers. I find that there is a lot more accept vents, | :18:49. | :18:51. | |
and in classroom support. There are a lot of people who have | :18:52. | :19:11. | |
similar issues that you can relate to, and the support, you don't in a | :19:12. | :19:16. | |
lot of cases feel it is there, but when you do, you definitely notice | :19:17. | :19:23. | |
it. So you don't feel out of place, and there are people like you there? | :19:24. | :19:29. | |
And they have small classes, ten or 11, and there is on-site | :19:30. | :19:32. | |
occupational therapy, and speech and language therapy. They just know the | :19:33. | :19:41. | |
boys in and out, as well. Let me bring in all the children here, and | :19:42. | :19:48. | |
Renata as well. Manik is in mainstream primary school, he has an | :19:49. | :19:51. | |
undiagnosed genetic condition, and you enjoy school, don't you? Kenny | :19:52. | :20:02. | |
Thalys Wyre? -- can you tell us why. They are very good at including me | :20:03. | :20:10. | |
and they make me feel like I am normal, and also, I have got really | :20:11. | :20:22. | |
good one-to-one s who are good at assisting me with work and medical | :20:23. | :20:31. | |
needs. But I think Elliott, he is not at school, you didn't really | :20:32. | :20:44. | |
like main stream secondary school, can you tell us why? It is very | :20:45. | :20:52. | |
crowded, you can very rarely be alone, and they don't let... There | :20:53. | :21:06. | |
is constant crowding, you can never be alone. And the teachers didn't | :21:07. | :21:21. | |
understand your specific needs. I get teaching assistants, but they | :21:22. | :21:27. | |
are not specialised with me, and because I can't pay attention very | :21:28. | :21:30. | |
well, I am mostly taught by them instead of the teacher. OK. From | :21:31. | :21:36. | |
your point of view, the mainstream secondary school, state school, yes | :21:37. | :21:41. | |
there will be 30 kids in that class, but Elliott should be able to get an | :21:42. | :21:44. | |
all right there, because there should be specialist trained staff | :21:45. | :21:49. | |
to help him in a one-to-one situation, similar to your younger | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
son. One of the difficulties with Elliott is he is a very bright, so | :21:54. | :21:59. | |
when a school hasn't got much of a budget, and they have a lot of | :22:00. | :22:03. | |
children to look after, a childlike Elliott who even without the support | :22:04. | :22:06. | |
isn't going to fail so much that inspectors will ask why, they are | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
quite easy to miss. But it means you have a child who is perfectly | :22:12. | :22:15. | |
capable of being in a mainstream school with the right support then | :22:16. | :22:18. | |
becomes so anxious that he can't even attend school, and it is a | :22:19. | :22:24. | |
disaster for everyone, because he should be able to be included within | :22:25. | :22:27. | |
a mainstream school, it is simply a case of having the right resources | :22:28. | :22:32. | |
when he needs it at a very vulnerable time when he is | :22:33. | :22:34. | |
transitioning from primary to secondary school, just for that | :22:35. | :22:38. | |
school to be able to have the resources to hand in order to be | :22:39. | :22:43. | |
able to support the children, and he can go on to be an independent | :22:44. | :22:47. | |
adult, but now we face a situation where he can't even go to school. | :22:48. | :22:52. | |
What do they do right at his secondary state school? They were as | :22:53. | :22:58. | |
innovative as they possibly could be within the resources they had | :22:59. | :23:01. | |
available. So where it wasn't a money issue, they did things like, | :23:02. | :23:08. | |
he helped with the sound at the school production to try to getting | :23:09. | :23:11. | |
more involved in school life, and they found a teacher he really got | :23:12. | :23:14. | |
on with who he could go and spend time with, things like that, cost | :23:15. | :23:20. | |
free, and they were brilliant and we are appreciative of them. The issues | :23:21. | :23:24. | |
arose around the more costly interventions like support in the | :23:25. | :23:28. | |
classroom and the things that actually schools do need help with. | :23:29. | :23:34. | |
Because they said they didn't have the money to do it? It was more that | :23:35. | :23:43. | |
Elliott's needs were overlooked. My belief is perhaps because they | :23:44. | :23:45. | |
couldn't afford it, they would rather say the needs didn't exist | :23:46. | :23:50. | |
rather than admit that they couldn't meet them. That is your take on it. | :23:51. | :23:58. | |
Alex says, I am 19, and the best support I had from a special | :23:59. | :24:01. | |
educational needs was my year six teacher, the last year of primary | :24:02. | :24:06. | |
school. I was given little or no help after that until I left year | :24:07. | :24:11. | |
13. Deb says we couldn't find a school that could meet my daughter's | :24:12. | :24:17. | |
needs and we are home educating. And Stefanie says, schools failed my | :24:18. | :24:22. | |
sister who has cystic fibrosis. She wasn't supported in hospital and she | :24:23. | :24:29. | |
left school with no GCSEs. And Jeb is saying that she agrees with what | :24:30. | :24:34. | |
you were saying, Giorgio. My son also found greater acceptance within | :24:35. | :24:39. | |
a specialist setting, plus friends who were like-minded, which is | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
exactly your point. Doug, tell us about your son Ben. He has a | :24:45. | :24:51. | |
condition called spinal muscular atrophy, it is clear and obvious he | :24:52. | :24:56. | |
has a physical disability, he drives an electric wheelchair, and it is | :24:57. | :25:03. | |
easy to identify his needs, so when you think about special educational | :25:04. | :25:06. | |
needs or an educational health care plan, it is relatively easy to be | :25:07. | :25:11. | |
able to establish what needs to be done in a school setting to support | :25:12. | :25:18. | |
him. And so in that respect we have been lucky to be able to get the | :25:19. | :25:21. | |
right support around him in the school setting and outside to ensure | :25:22. | :25:27. | |
that he can essentially reach the curriculum. Because of that, he is | :25:28. | :25:35. | |
thriving in school. He is included in all the lessons, he can access | :25:36. | :25:40. | |
everywhere in the school, and that is good. Of course there are | :25:41. | :25:44. | |
problems, there always are, but because of the open, sometimes very | :25:45. | :25:49. | |
frank but honest conversations that we have with the school, we are able | :25:50. | :25:55. | |
to move him forward. So are you saying the approach of the school is | :25:56. | :25:59. | |
absolutely spot on, or are you saying it is different when it is a | :26:00. | :26:05. | |
child with a physical disability as opposed to a learning disability or | :26:06. | :26:08. | |
a special educational needs? I think I do sense that there is a | :26:09. | :26:12. | |
difference. It is because of the visibility, and I do sense that some | :26:13. | :26:19. | |
educators, people in schools, whether teaching assistants or | :26:20. | :26:23. | |
teachers, possibly don't intervene early enough with children with | :26:24. | :26:31. | |
learning disabilities or who are struggling for whatever reason in | :26:32. | :26:34. | |
the school setting because of the challenges they face. What do you | :26:35. | :26:39. | |
think of that theory, Tanya? I think it is a training issue. Many | :26:40. | :26:44. | |
children who don't have an education, health and care plan, | :26:45. | :26:49. | |
there is a nominal ?6,000 per child with special educational needs, but | :26:50. | :26:53. | |
it is not ring fenced for each child but worked out with some complicated | :26:54. | :26:58. | |
funding formula, and their needs are supposed to be helped within that. | :26:59. | :27:03. | |
And there is the local offer, which was as a result of the children and | :27:04. | :27:08. | |
families act where it is supposed to have all these services for children | :27:09. | :27:13. | |
with educational needs and disabilities, which schools can look | :27:14. | :27:17. | |
at and use and be innovative, but I don't think it is working | :27:18. | :27:21. | |
particularly well at the moment. Children with an education, health | :27:22. | :27:25. | |
and care plan have their own budget, because that is supposed to be | :27:26. | :27:31. | |
worked out as part of their needs. So you need that plan, it triggers | :27:32. | :27:36. | |
the money. And that is where the issues are coming, because of the | :27:37. | :27:41. | |
changes, local authority staff haven't been trained properly, | :27:42. | :27:44. | |
schools haven't been trained properly. And this is what this | :27:45. | :27:49. | |
survey is suggesting today, it is backing up your own experience, more | :27:50. | :27:52. | |
than two thirds of schools in England saying children with special | :27:53. | :27:57. | |
educational needs and disabilities are being let and by mainstream | :27:58. | :28:03. | |
education. In terms of Elliott's education, you haven't been to | :28:04. | :28:07. | |
schools and Easter, is that right? Because it was becoming too much, | :28:08. | :28:11. | |
how would you describe it? His anxiety levels started as soon as he | :28:12. | :28:15. | |
transitioned to secondary school, so in primary school he was well | :28:16. | :28:19. | |
supported, but you have one teacher, one class, and so teachers can make | :28:20. | :28:26. | |
those adaptations within the school, but in secondary school you have | :28:27. | :28:30. | |
multiple teachers, so you either need a culture within the school | :28:31. | :28:33. | |
where there is understanding throughout, or you need a school | :28:34. | :28:40. | |
where you have specialist staff who are teaching, and as Tanya said, the | :28:41. | :28:45. | |
training is a real issue, especially where, as dog was saying where a | :28:46. | :28:51. | |
child like Dominic is obviously disabled, it is difficult for anyone | :28:52. | :28:56. | |
to deny the fact that he has a disability, whereas with Elliott, he | :28:57. | :29:00. | |
is an incredibly articulate boy, it is quite easy to be another say he | :29:01. | :29:06. | |
is absolutely fine because he is making academic progress. So what | :29:07. | :29:10. | |
are you going to do in terms of where he will go to school? This is | :29:11. | :29:16. | |
where again the system lets us down, because there is no specialist | :29:17. | :29:21. | |
schools that he can go to that are mainstream schools. There is nowhere | :29:22. | :29:24. | |
anywhere near us that can actually meet his needs, with the exception, | :29:25. | :29:31. | |
we found one independent school, and obviously independent schools are | :29:32. | :29:33. | |
expensive, so I know we have a tribunal had a bus in order to be | :29:34. | :29:37. | |
able to get funding for him to go to that school and get an education, | :29:38. | :29:41. | |
and that is adding another year to him being out of school, which does | :29:42. | :29:47. | |
him no good at all. And this is what the reforms were supposed to stop | :29:48. | :29:51. | |
happening. They were supposed to put the child and family at the centre, | :29:52. | :29:57. | |
and not the resources driven, but be needs driven by the child, but | :29:58. | :30:04. | |
budget does come into it somewhere. It is a utopian vision, which is | :30:05. | :30:08. | |
fantastic. The whole idea of the reforms, fantastic. There wasn't | :30:09. | :30:17. | |
enough time to training, and money only goes so far. It is being | :30:18. | :30:25. | |
chipped away by budget cuts. Lilia, you are about to go to the school | :30:26. | :30:29. | |
that Elliott has been not going to since Easter. How does that make you | :30:30. | :30:34. | |
feel? Because you have had such a difficult time with battling with | :30:35. | :30:44. | |
the school, with Elliott's needs, I kind of a bit worried that, because | :30:45. | :30:52. | |
I have to go in, and I'm his sister, that they will think, it is another | :30:53. | :30:58. | |
one of them. Do you really think that | :30:59. | :31:07. | |
we have been pitched against the school, and we should be working | :31:08. | :31:17. | |
together, that is what we have always wanted, we have a long | :31:18. | :31:20. | |
relationship with the staff there, and we know that they want the best | :31:21. | :31:23. | |
Elliott, but the system is forcing us to go head dead against them in a | :31:24. | :31:28. | |
tribunal, and it has relationships apart, so it is really awkward, and | :31:29. | :31:33. | |
as nice as you want to be, the end of the day you are fighting tooth | :31:34. | :31:37. | |
and nail for your child, so it does get ugly sometimes, and siblings are | :31:38. | :31:41. | |
affected, too, because I'm sure they would treat Lilia fantastically, and | :31:42. | :31:45. | |
I'm confident they will, but I understand why she would be | :31:46. | :31:46. | |
concerned. Judging by the messages I am | :31:47. | :32:04. | |
receiving, what you are experiencing is representative. Thank you all for | :32:05. | :32:08. | |
coming on the programme, very nice to meet you. | :32:09. | :32:10. | |
More claims of domestic violence from Johnny Depp's | :32:11. | :32:18. | |
She says he tried to smother her with a pillow. | :32:19. | :32:22. | |
We will bring the reaction from Women's Aid. | :32:23. | :32:33. | |
As housing association tenants get the right to buy their homes, | :32:34. | :32:36. | |
questions are raised as to where the money to pay for it | :32:37. | :32:39. | |
Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :32:40. | :32:52. | |
Good morning. The Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn will make a speech | :32:53. | :32:58. | |
shortly setting out why he believes the UK should remain in the EU. He | :32:59. | :33:05. | |
has been urged to do more in the campaign. Downing Street has been | :33:06. | :33:09. | |
accused of showing contempt for voters over the impact of | :33:10. | :33:11. | |
immigration. A couple who were given | :33:12. | :33:14. | |
the wrong baby by a hospital in El Salvador a year ago, | :33:15. | :33:16. | |
are finally back home after a long fight to be reunited | :33:17. | :33:19. | |
with the correct child. Richard Cushworth, who's British, | :33:20. | :33:21. | |
and his wife Mercedes, were given a birth certificate | :33:22. | :33:23. | |
for their son Moses They landed back home in Dallas, | :33:24. | :33:25. | |
Texas this week and have been The first trauma to me was, | :33:26. | :33:29. | |
oh my goodness, I have a child and my child is somewhere out | :33:30. | :33:36. | |
there in the world, where is he? I felt a panic that my only child | :33:37. | :33:40. | |
was lost or stolen. And you can see more | :33:41. | :33:56. | |
of that exclusive interview At least five people have died | :33:57. | :34:01. | |
after heavy flooding Search teams in the Bavarian town | :34:02. | :34:05. | |
of Simbach am Inn found the bodies of three people killed | :34:06. | :34:12. | |
when they became trapped in a house In France, there're fears that water | :34:13. | :34:15. | |
levels on the River Seine could rise further, threatening more | :34:16. | :34:19. | |
towns and villages. A decision on the future | :34:20. | :34:22. | |
of the high street retailer BHS The company went into | :34:23. | :34:24. | |
administration in April. If no buyer is found, | :34:25. | :34:30. | |
BHS could be forced into liquidation with the loss | :34:31. | :34:33. | |
of eleven thousand jobs. An audio recording of an emergency | :34:34. | :34:40. | |
call made by a mother whose son fell into a gorilla enclosure | :34:41. | :34:44. | |
at Cincinnati Zoo has been released. Shortly after that call | :34:45. | :35:12. | |
was made, the zoo shot Harambe the gorilla dead, | :35:13. | :35:14. | |
sparking global outrage. The parents of the three-year-old | :35:15. | :35:15. | |
have released a statement saying their son is recovering well, | :35:16. | :35:18. | |
but they could now face criminal charges as police | :35:19. | :35:20. | |
investigate the incident. That's a summary of the latest BBC | :35:21. | :35:26. | |
News - more at 10.00. Good morning. John McEnroe has told | :35:27. | :35:39. | |
the BBC that Andy Murray is playing his best ever tennis on clay. He set | :35:40. | :35:46. | |
up a semifinal meeting with Stan Wawrinka. Yesterday, he beat Richard | :35:47. | :35:53. | |
Gasquet four sets. England take on Portugal at Wembley | :35:54. | :35:57. | |
tonight. The visitors without Cristiano Ronaldo. He is holidaying | :35:58. | :36:04. | |
in IB is that after -- I be the after Real Madrid won the Champions | :36:05. | :36:14. | |
League. And finally, Royal Troon is holding | :36:15. | :36:18. | |
a special meeting at the beginning of July to proposed the introduction | :36:19. | :36:23. | |
of female members. The golf club is to host this year's Open | :36:24. | :36:28. | |
Championship. Muirfield members voted not to accept women knowing | :36:29. | :36:34. | |
that the course could not host the open. I am back in the next hour. | :36:35. | :36:37. | |
Thank you. In 1980, the then Conservative Prime | :36:38. | :36:40. | |
Minister Margaret Thatcher introduced "right to buy" allowing | :36:41. | :36:42. | |
people who live Last year the current Conservative | :36:43. | :36:44. | |
Prime Minister, David Cameron, announced an extension of that | :36:45. | :36:56. | |
right-to-buy scheme. Housing association tenants | :36:57. | :36:58. | |
will get the chance to buy But as the first housing | :36:59. | :37:00. | |
association properties are about to go under hammer, | :37:01. | :37:03. | |
questions are being raised as to where the money to pay for it | :37:04. | :37:05. | |
all is going to come from. 30 years ago, the British government | :37:06. | :37:09. | |
was the biggest landlord in Europe. Today, it houses | :37:10. | :37:20. | |
relatively few of us. And that's because of | :37:21. | :37:22. | |
what happened right here. You almost certainly | :37:23. | :37:26. | |
won't recognise this street but here in Essex, | :37:27. | :37:27. | |
about 30 years ago, It was actually the biggest | :37:28. | :37:29. | |
privatisation in British history. And I'm not talking | :37:30. | :37:35. | |
about electricity or gas, but the sale of | :37:36. | :37:37. | |
British Council houses. Actually the first one was just | :37:38. | :37:39. | |
here at the end of this street, sold for ?8,000, all | :37:40. | :37:44. | |
the way back in 1980. As luck would have it, it's just | :37:45. | :37:46. | |
been sold again, the ?260,000. Somewhere along the line, | :37:47. | :37:50. | |
a lot of people made a lot of money from something that used | :37:51. | :37:53. | |
to belong to all of us. And now the latest chapter | :37:54. | :37:55. | |
in this Right to Buy story is about to start all over again, | :37:56. | :37:58. | |
probably in a street near you. I've looked at the other | :37:59. | :38:01. | |
councils in the UK. I mean, I've looked down in Essex, | :38:02. | :38:03. | |
I've looked at Essex Council, I've looked at Waltham Forest, | :38:04. | :38:06. | |
which is where I used to live. And the same thing again, 25, | :38:07. | :38:09. | |
30 year waiting lists. The Government talks | :38:10. | :38:11. | |
about a one-to-one replacement but currently there is only a one | :38:12. | :38:13. | |
in eight replacement. So the Government would need | :38:14. | :38:15. | |
to drastically change its approach. Channelling his inner | :38:16. | :38:23. | |
Margaret Thatcher, David Cameron announced last | :38:24. | :38:25. | |
year that the government was going to extend Right to Buy | :38:26. | :38:27. | |
to housing association tenants. Remember, Right to Buy is a scheme | :38:28. | :38:29. | |
where the Government offers big discounts to council | :38:30. | :38:32. | |
tenants to buy their homes. Now housing association tenants | :38:33. | :38:34. | |
will enjoy the same opportunity. The first sales are expected | :38:35. | :38:37. | |
imminently. The problem is, unlike council | :38:38. | :38:41. | |
houses, the Government doesn't own these homes so as to compensate | :38:42. | :38:46. | |
the So how does the Government | :38:47. | :38:48. | |
suggest we pay for them? That's why Conservatives have | :38:49. | :38:57. | |
committed to building a property owning democracy for generations | :38:58. | :39:02. | |
and today I can tell you what this generation of Conservatives | :39:03. | :39:06. | |
is going to do about it. As the most expensive council | :39:07. | :39:08. | |
properties fall vacant, we're going to require councils | :39:09. | :39:12. | |
to sell them off and we will replace them with new, affordable | :39:13. | :39:15. | |
housing in the same area. However, now we know | :39:16. | :39:18. | |
how the legislation And there may be two | :39:19. | :39:20. | |
important snags. Starting with the so-called | :39:21. | :39:28. | |
"Expensive council house sell offs". Now, you might imagine that | :39:29. | :39:31. | |
when the Government says they are going to force councils | :39:32. | :39:33. | |
to sell off their most expensive properties, they might look | :39:34. | :39:36. | |
something a bit like this one. Whereas in fact, it will also be | :39:37. | :39:39. | |
selling houses like this. This is in Southwark | :39:40. | :39:41. | |
in south London. This one was sold as soon | :39:42. | :39:43. | |
as it became vacant by the council to fund the sale | :39:44. | :39:56. | |
of housing association properties. And that's because the law says that | :39:57. | :39:59. | |
every council up and down the country has to sell | :40:00. | :40:01. | |
off their more expensive homes. That money is then divvied up, | :40:02. | :40:08. | |
put into a pot and given to the housing associations | :40:09. | :40:11. | |
to compensate them. The problem is if you don't have | :40:12. | :40:13. | |
houses like this, many councils will have to sell houses a bit | :40:14. | :40:16. | |
like that one over there. The original intention was that some | :40:17. | :40:19. | |
expensive council houses in London would be sold off and this | :40:20. | :40:21. | |
would make a difference. During the passage of this act, | :40:22. | :40:24. | |
the Government change the definition to what's called | :40:25. | :40:27. | |
"Higher value properties". We've estimated that is ?26 million | :40:28. | :40:29. | |
worth of homes per council It's two-bedroom properties | :40:30. | :40:32. | |
in the West Midlands, in Dudley... It's not big, fancy homes in London, | :40:33. | :40:40. | |
it's homes all across the country. This city is undergoing | :40:41. | :40:44. | |
a construction boom. You can see it on the | :40:45. | :40:46. | |
skyline behind me. Development of every shape and size, | :40:47. | :40:49. | |
commercial, business, residential. But one type of development you're | :40:50. | :40:54. | |
unlikely to see And that's a big problem, | :40:55. | :40:57. | |
because the Government said that every home lost under this | :40:58. | :41:00. | |
new scheme would be replaced Unfortunately, on the basis | :41:01. | :41:02. | |
of their current record, This is state was a recently built | :41:03. | :41:06. | |
by Haringey Council and a housing association in north | :41:07. | :41:14. | |
London as a mixture of social rent The council there fears this | :41:15. | :41:17. | |
new legislation means it may have to be sold off and it | :41:18. | :41:23. | |
wouldn't be replaced. As the funding system works, | :41:24. | :41:25. | |
it's simply impossible for us to replace them and to an extent | :41:26. | :41:27. | |
nationally, one in eight We think the Government should cut | :41:28. | :41:30. | |
the red tape and let councils build. It's hard to replace Right to Buy | :41:31. | :41:35. | |
properties because of Government rules, which means that councils | :41:36. | :41:38. | |
have to put up most of the money. You can't use Right to Buy | :41:39. | :41:41. | |
with any other grant, That really restricts the homes | :41:42. | :41:43. | |
you can build. And this is a problem, | :41:44. | :41:49. | |
because if we assume that we need to sell around 113,000 council | :41:50. | :41:58. | |
houses to compensate and only one in eight are replaced, | :41:59. | :42:00. | |
we will lose around 100,000 When you consider we have nearly | :42:01. | :42:04. | |
2 million people on the council housing waiting list, | :42:05. | :42:09. | |
those are houses She lost her job, the home she owned | :42:10. | :42:11. | |
and now faces eviction For 30 years I was in | :42:12. | :42:19. | |
full-time employment. Having to sell the house | :42:20. | :42:23. | |
was the worst thing that could happen to me, | :42:24. | :42:28. | |
I had my car repossessed, And now at a time when I really need | :42:29. | :42:31. | |
help, I didn't even approach the council back then, | :42:32. | :42:37. | |
I just went for private let. But now I really do need the help | :42:38. | :42:40. | |
and it's just not there. She's been told by her local | :42:41. | :42:47. | |
authority she will have I do think that given my situation | :42:48. | :42:49. | |
and the fact that I do have a disability, it would have | :42:50. | :42:55. | |
been taken into consideration. But basically the lady I spoke | :42:56. | :43:00. | |
to was There wasn't any option | :43:01. | :43:02. | |
she could actually offer. You must have been quite scared | :43:03. | :43:05. | |
during this whole experience, When I knew I was going to lose | :43:06. | :43:07. | |
the house, I went into I just couldn't pull myself up | :43:08. | :43:13. | |
out of it. At one point, I actually | :43:14. | :43:16. | |
came close to suicide, There's going to be people like me | :43:17. | :43:19. | |
in a situation where you've lost your home for whatever reason, | :43:20. | :43:25. | |
you are on low income, So there needs to be something | :43:26. | :43:27. | |
in place to help They are not dealing | :43:28. | :43:32. | |
with it from the bottom up. This brings us to the | :43:33. | :43:41. | |
second apparent snag. Even if we assume the government can | :43:42. | :43:43. | |
replace those council houses, And will they even be council | :43:44. | :43:46. | |
homes at all? There is no guarantee that these | :43:47. | :43:51. | |
will be replaced like-for-like. What is most likely to happen | :43:52. | :43:56. | |
is they will be replaced The minimum value, probably in most | :43:57. | :43:59. | |
places, between ?250,000 outside So this is a sell-off of reasonable, | :44:00. | :44:04. | |
good, affordable homes to pay for homes to buy which most | :44:05. | :44:10. | |
people can't afford. In the 1980s, Right to Buy | :44:11. | :44:20. | |
transformed the lives of millions of people who had never had | :44:21. | :44:22. | |
the chance to own their own homes. In its newest guise, | :44:23. | :44:26. | |
hundreds of thousands of housing association tenants | :44:27. | :44:27. | |
will do the same. But now we know that the nuts | :44:28. | :44:33. | |
and bolts of Right to Buy mark 2, questions are being asked | :44:34. | :44:36. | |
about whether this new policy will make the biggest social housing | :44:37. | :44:38. | |
crisis in 70 years worse still. We asked the Government | :44:39. | :44:50. | |
to talk to us about this issue this morning - | :44:51. | :44:53. | |
but they declined. In a statement the housing minister | :44:54. | :44:56. | |
Brandon Lewis told us: Do get in touch with your own | :44:57. | :45:13. | |
experiences this morning - we'll get more reaction to this | :45:14. | :45:15. | |
after 10.15am this morning. Families having to eat grass | :45:16. | :45:22. | |
to survive, thousands of children being used as human shields, | :45:23. | :45:25. | |
medicines, drinking water and food in short supply - | :45:26. | :45:28. | |
with a bag of flour costing around 850 dollars - details are emerging | :45:29. | :45:33. | |
of the horrifying conditions faced by civilians trapped | :45:34. | :45:38. | |
inside the Iraqi city of Falluja. Aid agencies have described | :45:39. | :45:41. | |
the situation as a "human catastrophe" with around fifty | :45:42. | :45:45. | |
thousand people trapped. Falluja has been under siege | :45:46. | :45:56. | |
from Iraqi and pro-government forces for more than six months, | :45:57. | :45:58. | |
and it has been under IS control The latest massive assault by the | :45:59. | :46:09. | |
Iraqi army has intensified the appalling conditions. | :46:10. | :46:12. | |
Let's talk to Dr Bernardita Gaspar from the International Medical Corps | :46:13. | :46:15. | |
who has been speaking with people in these camps. | :46:16. | :46:26. | |
Tell us some of the stories you have been hearing. Good morning. I am | :46:27. | :46:34. | |
from the International medical Corps, and I have just come from | :46:35. | :46:42. | |
Baghdad. In one of the camps, I met with a mother who was telling me | :46:43. | :46:49. | |
that at the time, the reason that they fled Falluja was that her | :46:50. | :46:58. | |
husband was being recruited to work for the Isis, and her husband | :46:59. | :47:08. | |
refused. They had at that time a four-year-old son who saw his father | :47:09. | :47:12. | |
died, killed and their house burned down. He is now six, and when we saw | :47:13. | :47:26. | |
him, he was withdrawn. He doesn't really play with other children his | :47:27. | :47:32. | |
age. And the reason why we met him was that he was approached Oracene | :47:33. | :47:41. | |
by one of our workers, our social workers in one of the locations that | :47:42. | :47:49. | |
we work in Baghdad. So he witnessed his father being killed because his | :47:50. | :47:53. | |
dad refused to fight for Islamic State? Exactly, yes. So now he is | :47:54. | :48:01. | |
the only male in the family. He has his mother and two younger sisters, | :48:02. | :48:13. | |
and his mother who they have said would always cry most of the time, | :48:14. | :48:19. | |
his grandmother. And he would cry with her. And most of the time, we | :48:20. | :48:32. | |
have people who we see, who we encounter with these memories with | :48:33. | :48:39. | |
them. That they usually have to live with everyday. I wonder how you can | :48:40. | :48:53. | |
help such traumatised people. We deploy a mobile team, this mobile | :48:54. | :48:58. | |
team is supported by the European Commission for humanitarian aid and | :48:59. | :49:06. | |
civilian protection. This mobile unit is composed of medical doctors, | :49:07. | :49:12. | |
nurses, pharmacists and also social workers. So basically, we help and | :49:13. | :49:28. | |
send social workers into places where these families have been | :49:29. | :49:33. | |
accommodated in unfinished buildings or in camp is. And in trying to | :49:34. | :49:41. | |
escape from the horrors of Falluja to get to the camps, how difficult | :49:42. | :49:47. | |
is that for them? I would imagine that it is quite difficult, | :49:48. | :49:52. | |
especially since coming from Falluja or anywhere where Isis have overrun | :49:53. | :50:02. | |
the place, they themselves are subject did to security assessment, | :50:03. | :50:09. | |
security checks, so it is unlike other places where families would | :50:10. | :50:25. | |
come and would have the ability to walk through. They would usually | :50:26. | :50:31. | |
have to be searched, men would be separated from women and from | :50:32. | :50:40. | |
children, just so that the security forces will have to make sure that | :50:41. | :50:45. | |
none of the Isis would come with these families, so that is how, the | :50:46. | :50:57. | |
reality that they have to content with when fleeing Falluja or areas | :50:58. | :51:06. | |
where Isis have taken over. And what about the conditions in the camps | :51:07. | :51:09. | |
where they arrive? What is the reality of that? At some point, they | :51:10. | :51:21. | |
would have to wait for some time, sometimes a day, so they can have | :51:22. | :51:27. | |
their own place. They would usually come out or shelter with another | :51:28. | :51:31. | |
family who is already living in a tent or maybe in a building, so that | :51:32. | :51:39. | |
means that one room would be shared by two or three families at a time, | :51:40. | :51:48. | |
and when a tent or shelter is identified or put up for them, or | :51:49. | :51:52. | |
they can put them up themselves, then it would be the same thing, so | :51:53. | :51:57. | |
it is one room, it is usually something like six metres by four | :51:58. | :52:05. | |
metres. Sometimes it would have a cement floor, sometimes not, if it | :52:06. | :52:12. | |
is hurriedly done then it would not have any cemented flooring. They | :52:13. | :52:18. | |
would sleep there, they would be eating there, and they would be | :52:19. | :52:21. | |
gathering their and telling their stories to each other. Just the | :52:22. | :52:29. | |
other day, we went to visit one of our clients, and it struck me that | :52:30. | :52:35. | |
it is summer, it is almost some are now in Iraq, so the heat, the | :52:36. | :52:42. | |
temperatures are rising. You can really feel the heat when you get | :52:43. | :52:53. | |
into these tents. There is very little ventilation, most of the | :52:54. | :52:57. | |
families would not have air coolers or electric fans, and they are | :52:58. | :53:04. | |
cramped, usually a family of five or six would share that space. And you | :53:05. | :53:13. | |
can just imagine that if one person is having let's say a cough or cold, | :53:14. | :53:20. | |
everybody in the family will have the same infraction in a few days. | :53:21. | :53:26. | |
Thank you very much for your time this morning, we really appreciate | :53:27. | :53:29. | |
you giving some of your time to explain the conditions in those | :53:30. | :53:32. | |
camps, those images we were just showing were sent to us so you | :53:33. | :53:40. | |
conceive yourself what the conditions in the camps are alike. | :53:41. | :53:45. | |
But I suppose at least those people are safe from Islamic State | :53:46. | :53:49. | |
fighters. Thank you viewer time, we appreciate it, Dr Gaspar from the | :53:50. | :53:53. | |
medical Corps. This morning there are more | :53:54. | :53:56. | |
allegations of domestic abuse in the marriage of Johnny Depp | :53:57. | :53:59. | |
and Amber Heard. It's claimed the Hollywood star | :54:00. | :54:01. | |
has attacked his wife at least three times, | :54:02. | :54:03. | |
including one occasion where he reportedly tried to smother | :54:04. | :54:05. | |
her with a pillow whilst drunk. In legal papers, 30-year-old | :54:06. | :54:07. | |
Amber Heard has said After Heard left | :54:08. | :54:09. | |
court in Los Angeles, where she was granted | :54:10. | :54:15. | |
a restraining order against her estranged husband, | :54:16. | :54:17. | |
new photos from December also emerged of the actress | :54:18. | :54:22. | |
with a bruised eye and cut lip. The judge also said Mr Depp should | :54:23. | :54:26. | |
not try to contact Ms Heard. Johnny Depp denies all | :54:27. | :54:29. | |
the allegations against him. Here with us in the | :54:30. | :54:37. | |
studio is Polly Neate. Polly is the Chief Executive | :54:38. | :54:39. | |
of Women's Aid, the national I want to start by asking you what | :54:40. | :54:50. | |
you think of some of the media coverage of these allegations. I | :54:51. | :54:57. | |
have a couple of headlines here. I have the times, is this the most | :54:58. | :55:03. | |
toxic divorce in Hollywood? Reputations are at stake, says | :55:04. | :55:15. | |
Hannah Betts. The Mail says he owns ?7,000 a month, but spends ?30,000 | :55:16. | :55:22. | |
on clothes and laundry. So what? What on earth has that got to do | :55:23. | :55:25. | |
with the issue of whether or not she was abused by her husband? This | :55:26. | :55:31. | |
judging of victims, sadly it is not surprising, so the main thing I | :55:32. | :55:34. | |
think is, here we go again, but it has to stop. It really is not | :55:35. | :55:40. | |
tolerable that we pass judgment on the victim of an alleged offence and | :55:41. | :55:46. | |
leapt to the defence of the alleged offender before we know all the | :55:47. | :55:50. | |
facts and insult the victim in what are actually some deeply misogynist | :55:51. | :55:55. | |
ways. The whole idea that she is a gold digger is a misogynist | :55:56. | :56:01. | |
constructed of a woman who happens to Mary to a wealthy man. Do you | :56:02. | :56:07. | |
think that kind of coverage could potentially stop other victims | :56:08. | :56:11. | |
coming forward? I really hope not. One of the things it is important to | :56:12. | :56:18. | |
say is that most victims of domestic abuse are not in high-profile | :56:19. | :56:21. | |
relationships. Those that are should have just as much right to justice | :56:22. | :56:25. | |
as those who are not, but most are not, and in this country, you can | :56:26. | :56:30. | |
phone the National domestic violence helpline, there are local specialist | :56:31. | :56:33. | |
services available who will support you to go through the Criminal | :56:34. | :56:36. | |
Justice Act process if you want to and to recover from your experience. | :56:37. | :56:41. | |
I really hope it won't put victims off, but I have to say that this | :56:42. | :56:46. | |
kind of victim blaming is extremely common, and it is frightening to | :56:47. | :56:51. | |
women. On the one hand we go, if it is so bad, why don't they leave? | :56:52. | :56:56. | |
They don't, because they are afraid they won't be believed, they will be | :56:57. | :56:59. | |
taken seriously, they will be blamed. This happens everyday. | :57:00. | :57:04. | |
Johnny Depp denies the claims. How typical or otherwise is this kind of | :57:05. | :57:11. | |
case, do you think? It is quite typical for a claim of domestic | :57:12. | :57:16. | |
abuse to be contested, and we need to wait until the outcome of | :57:17. | :57:20. | |
whatever legal proceedings happens, so I don't want to make any kind of | :57:21. | :57:25. | |
judgment about the case itself. I think it is quite typical, one thing | :57:26. | :57:29. | |
it is important to say it it is very typical that a man could be abusive | :57:30. | :57:33. | |
to his partner, but seen as a completely guy and lovely and | :57:34. | :57:37. | |
adorable by his male friends, which is clearly the case with Johnny | :57:38. | :57:41. | |
Depp, and that is not uncommon even the people who know the couple very | :57:42. | :57:45. | |
well to be unaware of abuse that is going on within a relationship. Of | :57:46. | :57:48. | |
course we don't know what has happened in this case. Thank you | :57:49. | :58:01. | |
very much armour Polly Neate. Let's have a look at the weather with | :58:02. | :58:13. | |
Carol. Thank you. That should stay mainly drive the bulk of the UK, | :58:14. | :58:17. | |
there is a little rain for the Northern Isles that will sink its | :58:18. | :58:21. | |
way south, still a lot of cloud in the East. Under the cloud and wind, | :58:22. | :58:29. | |
it will feel quite cool, but come towards the west, the cloud breaking | :58:30. | :58:33. | |
up nicely and we are looking at a fair bit of sunshine. Into the | :58:34. | :58:37. | |
afternoon across parts of the south-west, once we have that | :58:38. | :58:42. | |
sunshine, a little farewell cloud here and there, temperatures up to | :58:43. | :58:45. | |
19 Celsius in Barnstable and Cardiff. The cloud again burning | :58:46. | :58:52. | |
away and leaving a sea breeze across the West. Sunshine from the word go, | :58:53. | :59:02. | |
and we will continue from the word go west of Scotland seeing again | :59:03. | :59:05. | |
some sunshine, but we will see the rain moving from the Northern Isles. | :59:06. | :59:09. | |
Eastern Scotland and eastern England, we are back into this | :59:10. | :59:14. | |
cloud, easing through the day but still very noticeable across East | :59:15. | :59:17. | |
Anglia and the south-east. Accentuating the cooler feel. | :59:18. | :59:23. | |
Through the evening and overnight, if anything, all this cloud in the | :59:24. | :59:27. | |
East moves towards the West. We still have that keen breeze out | :59:28. | :59:33. | |
towards the West, temperatures dropping to around nine Celsius. | :59:34. | :59:39. | |
That is how we start the day tomorrow, again, it is a real East/ | :59:40. | :59:46. | |
West split to start the day. A weather front coming in from the | :59:47. | :59:50. | |
North Sea bringing in rain, and the timing of exactly where this is | :59:51. | :59:53. | |
going to be could change. It could speed up or slow down. The lions | :59:54. | :59:58. | |
share of the sunshine will be across parts of the Channel Islands, the | :59:59. | :00:07. | |
South West. Temperatures in the sunshine up to 19. As we head into | :00:08. | :00:13. | |
the weekend, the forecast is mostly dry, there will be some sunshine but | :00:14. | :00:16. | |
also scattered showers. Not all of us will see the showers, some could | :00:17. | :00:21. | |
be heavy thundery. Looking at in more detail, not as much of a | :00:22. | :00:27. | |
breeze, but still coming in from the North Sea, and you can see how | :00:28. | :00:32. | |
things brighten up a touch. We have all these showers across southern | :00:33. | :00:33. | |
areas with a high of up to 22. Hello, I'm Victoria Derbyshire, | :00:34. | :00:40. | |
welcome to the programme Coming up before 11: | :00:41. | :00:42. | |
The extraordinary story of a baby swapped at birth in a hospital in El | :00:43. | :00:48. | |
Salvador. We'll bring you the full interview | :00:49. | :00:55. | |
with the parents who have finally been allowed to return home | :00:56. | :00:58. | |
with their one year old son - having missed the first four months | :00:59. | :01:01. | |
of his life. The thought that the baby I had been | :01:02. | :01:03. | |
nursing, taken care of, loving him, bathing him, | :01:04. | :01:07. | |
that he was not mine and then I had another thought | :01:08. | :01:15. | |
which came with it - As housing association tenants get | :01:16. | :01:18. | |
the right to buy their homes - questions are raised | :01:19. | :01:29. | |
as to where the money to pay for it There will be people like me in a | :01:30. | :01:44. | |
situation, where you have lost a home, for whatever reason, you are | :01:45. | :01:48. | |
on a low income, you need somewhere to live. There needs to be something | :01:49. | :01:52. | |
in place to help anybody who needs help. And live, we will bring you a | :01:53. | :02:04. | |
speech from the Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, who will explain why he | :02:05. | :02:07. | |
thinks leaving the EU would be a disaster for the majority of people | :02:08. | :02:16. | |
in this country. Here is a need to McVeigh with a summary of the news. | :02:17. | :02:22. | |
Good morning. Jeremy Corbyn will make a speech about why Labour | :02:23. | :02:27. | |
should remain in the EU -- Britain should remain in the EU. Meanwhile, | :02:28. | :02:32. | |
Downing Street has been accused of showing contempt for voters on the | :02:33. | :02:39. | |
impact of immigration. Coming up live, the founder of Cobra | :02:40. | :02:45. | |
beer will be answering your questions. | :02:46. | :02:53. | |
A couple who were given the wrong baby by a hospital | :02:54. | :02:55. | |
in El Salvador a year ago, are finally back home after a long | :02:56. | :02:58. | |
fight to be reunited with the correct child. | :02:59. | :03:00. | |
Richard Cushworth, who's British, and his wife Mercedes, | :03:01. | :03:02. | |
were given a birth certificate for their son Moses | :03:03. | :03:04. | |
They landed back home in Dallas, Texas this week and have been | :03:05. | :03:10. | |
The first trauma to me was, oh my goodness, I have a child | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
and my child is somewhere out there in the world, where is he? | :03:16. | :03:20. | |
can see more of that interview after the news summary. | :03:21. | :03:45. | |
At least five people have died after heavy flooding | :03:46. | :03:47. | |
Rivers have burst their banks in France and Germany. | :03:48. | :03:50. | |
In France, there're fears that water levels on the River Seine could rise | :03:51. | :03:53. | |
further, threatening more towns and villages. | :03:54. | :04:05. | |
More than 80% of schools in England are struggling to properly support | :04:06. | :04:08. | |
children with special educational needs or disabilities, | :04:09. | :04:09. | |
A survey of head teachers has found that insufficient budgets and local | :04:10. | :04:13. | |
authority cuts are having a detrimental impact on both pupil | :04:14. | :04:16. | |
The government says it has increased the funding for children with high | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
A decision on the future of the high street retailer BHS | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
The company went into administration in April. | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
If no buyer is found, BHS could be forced | :04:30. | :04:36. | |
An audio recording of an emergency call made by a mother whose son fell | :04:37. | :04:43. | |
into a gorilla enclosure at Cincinnati Zoo has been released. | :04:44. | :05:07. | |
Shortly after that call was made, the zoo shot | :05:08. | :05:09. | |
Harambe the gorilla dead, sparking global outrage. | :05:10. | :05:12. | |
The parents of the three-year-old have released a statement | :05:13. | :05:15. | |
saying their son is recovering well, but they could now face | :05:16. | :05:18. | |
criminal charges as police investigate the incident. | :05:19. | :05:23. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30. | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
Thank you. Thanks for your comments, on your own experiences of whether | :05:29. | :05:42. | |
mainstream schools in England are failing children. Hannah says she is | :05:43. | :05:47. | |
a teacher and we do not have enough funding to support pupils with | :05:48. | :05:51. | |
special educational needs. Often I do not have a classroom assistant. | :05:52. | :05:57. | |
Supporting 30 children on your own is hard. | :05:58. | :06:01. | |
Judith said your segment was unfair on those who work hard to provide | :06:02. | :06:07. | |
reasonable adjustments. Tina said, I am the mother of a son at a state | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
special school for children with complex needs. The school could not | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
do more but all the children are different. If the school is failing | :06:17. | :06:19. | |
some children it is because we do not know much about autism and how | :06:20. | :06:25. | |
to manage it. Keep those coming in. Thank you. | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
Jeremy Corbyn is leader of the Labour Party and he has a speech on | :06:30. | :06:35. | |
the benefits of staying in the European Union. | :06:36. | :06:38. | |
As a get closer to what may be a very tight vote, it does not help if | :06:39. | :06:47. | |
the hype and histrionic claims continue, or worse, intensify. I | :06:48. | :06:49. | |
believe that the European Union has the potential to deliver positive | :06:50. | :06:52. | |
change for the people of this country. If there was a radical | :06:53. | :06:57. | |
reforming government to drive that agenda in Britain. Too often, what | :06:58. | :07:03. | |
has held back the European Union is having to move at the pace of the | :07:04. | :07:07. | |
slowest and you do not get much slower than a British Tory | :07:08. | :07:11. | |
government. Let me say this up front, to anyone listening who is | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
not already registered to vote, please register to vote. You have | :07:17. | :07:20. | |
just five days left to register to vote. Particularly for young people | :07:21. | :07:25. | |
who will be living the longest with whatever decision is made, please | :07:26. | :07:32. | |
register to vote. The process can be done online, said Lyse Doucet, so | :07:33. | :07:40. | |
you have your aquatic opportunity. George Osborne claimed the British | :07:41. | :07:44. | |
economy would enter a year-long recession if we voted to leave. This | :07:45. | :07:49. | |
is the same George Osborne who rejected the austerity policies to | :07:50. | :07:57. | |
be closed by 2015. That has been rescheduled to 2021. It is the same | :07:58. | :08:03. | |
George Osborne who said the British economy would be carried aloft by | :08:04. | :08:08. | |
the march of the makers. Yet the manufacturing sector has stagnated | :08:09. | :08:14. | |
ever since. The biggest risk of recession in this country is from a | :08:15. | :08:17. | |
Conservative government that is failing on the deficit, the debt and | :08:18. | :08:22. | |
failing to rebalance the economy and failing to boost productivity. Two | :08:23. | :08:29. | |
weeks ago, Boris Johnson claimed, and I have to quote with care here: | :08:30. | :08:35. | |
it is absurd that we are told we cannot sell bananas in bunches of | :08:36. | :08:39. | |
more than two or three bananas. Apart from saying bananas twice in | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
the same sentence, it seems fairly absurd and I am tempted to use the | :08:45. | :08:52. | |
name of the same fruit to describe his thoughts on the same process. | :08:53. | :09:00. | |
Utterly absurd. The Leave side have conceded a number of myths about the | :09:01. | :09:04. | |
evils of the EU which frankly nonsense. Let's remind ourselves of | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
the positive. It was European regulation which improved Britain's | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
beaches, which if you go back 30 or 40 years, wherein a terrible state. | :09:15. | :09:20. | |
Britain used to pump raw, untreated sewage straight into the sea. Just | :09:21. | :09:25. | |
25 years ago, one in four of the beaches in this country were too | :09:26. | :09:31. | |
dirty to swim from. Now 95% of our beaches have a clean bill of health | :09:32. | :09:33. | |
because of tough regulations which help people not just in this country | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
but all over Europe, because clearly sewage pumped into the sea here can | :09:39. | :09:43. | |
end up in France or Holland and vice versa. Three years ago, the European | :09:44. | :09:49. | |
Union voted to restrict the use of some pesticides which are strongly | :09:50. | :09:52. | |
linked to a decline in the bee population. A bee population is | :09:53. | :10:03. | |
essential for our biodiversity. These restrictions were passed and I | :10:04. | :10:12. | |
hope will be tough. It will be tough implementation to ensure | :10:13. | :10:15. | |
regeneration of the bee population and the biodiversity that goes with | :10:16. | :10:20. | |
it. Too often, the British government has had to be dragged | :10:21. | :10:23. | |
kicking and screaming in order to protect our own environment. The | :10:24. | :10:30. | |
Prime Minister has lurched from his hug a husky phase when he became | :10:31. | :10:35. | |
Tory leader, a decade on to gassing badgers, and then a decade on trying | :10:36. | :10:42. | |
to poison bee. I think he needs to take some eco-lessons on | :10:43. | :10:44. | |
biodiversity. APPLAUSE | :10:45. | :10:50. | |
Macro and understanding the necessity and beauty of our natural | :10:51. | :11:00. | |
environment. A recent court judgment ordered the British government to | :11:01. | :11:04. | |
tackle air pollution. It was the UK Supreme Court in London which acted | :11:05. | :11:10. | |
24th EU standards. A recent study found EU air quality regulations are | :11:11. | :11:15. | |
saving roughly 80,000 lives per year, across the whole continent. It | :11:16. | :11:19. | |
is time this government acted to save lives here as well. The air | :11:20. | :11:25. | |
quality in London is poor. It is pouring other cities. It has to be | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
improved. We can use EU legislation to improve it. European Union | :11:30. | :11:40. | |
targets have been vital for the adoption of renewable energy. Some | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
countries like Germany have embraced this change, revolutionising their | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
energy markets, creating new high skilled jobs and leading | :11:49. | :11:53. | |
technological advance. Britain has dragged its heels. So much for David | :11:54. | :11:59. | |
Cameron's rhetoric about leading the greenest government ever. There are | :12:00. | :12:03. | |
other things as well. It is an EU directive which stopped the mobile | :12:04. | :12:07. | |
phone companies ripping us off if we make or receive a call anywhere in | :12:08. | :12:12. | |
Europe. It is the collective strength of 28 countries that | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
achieved that. A crucial area is the European Convention on human rights, | :12:18. | :12:23. | |
that empowers citizens to hold the government to account. This has | :12:24. | :12:26. | |
strengthened our rights as citizens, and stopped our government from | :12:27. | :12:31. | |
gagging free speech and a free press. It was a Labour government | :12:32. | :12:37. | |
which wrote the convention into UK law through the very important and | :12:38. | :12:44. | |
seminal Human Rights Act of 1998. Today, senior figures in the | :12:45. | :12:47. | |
Conservative government are discussing repealing the act which | :12:48. | :12:51. | |
has ensured the state cannot violate people's right. It is because of | :12:52. | :12:57. | |
those human rights in law, that we actually achieved the inquest into | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
Hillsborough, so those families finally got justice after 27 years | :13:02. | :13:07. | |
of hard work and campaigning to get a hearing. And congratulations to | :13:08. | :13:12. | |
them, all of them. APPLAUSE | :13:13. | :13:22. | |
For the tenacity and the dignity with which they conducted themselves | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
overall those very long, very difficult years. It is worth | :13:27. | :13:32. | |
reflecting that if this government repealed the Human Rights Act, and | :13:33. | :13:36. | |
opted out of the European Convention on human rights, it would join | :13:37. | :13:42. | |
Europe's only dictatorship, Belarus, as the only other country not to | :13:43. | :13:48. | |
support universal human rights. A Labour government will restore our | :13:49. | :13:52. | |
human rights in full if they managed to repeal the Human Rights Act of | :13:53. | :13:59. | |
1998. On rights at work, this is a very important area, Europe, through | :14:00. | :14:03. | |
the social chapter and other directives, has delivered a number | :14:04. | :14:08. | |
of good things. 26 million workers in Britain benefit from being | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
entitled to 28 days of paid leave a year. And a limit on how many hours | :14:13. | :14:21. | |
they can be forced to work through the working Time directive. Over 8 | :14:22. | :14:24. | |
million part-time workers, 6 million of whom are women, have equal rights | :14:25. | :14:30. | |
with full-time colleagues. 1 million temporary workers have the same | :14:31. | :14:37. | |
rights as permanent workers. 3 million women every have guaranteed | :14:38. | :14:41. | |
rights to take maternity leave. It is important to understand these | :14:42. | :14:45. | |
games. It means workers throughout Europe have decent rights at work. | :14:46. | :14:52. | |
It means it is harder to under cut terms and conditions. I pay tribute | :14:53. | :15:00. | |
to governments across Europe who have forced these regulations | :15:01. | :15:05. | |
through and campaigned even further. STUDIO: That is the Labour leader | :15:06. | :15:08. | |
Jeremy Corbyn setting out his reasons for why he thinks you should | :15:09. | :15:13. | |
vote to stay in the European Union. He began by criticising the | :15:14. | :15:17. | |
Conservative Chancellor George Osborne for his economic forecasts, | :15:18. | :15:20. | |
even though in this debate on the EU, they are both on the same side. | :15:21. | :15:24. | |
Then Mr Corbyn spoke about environmental reasons why the EU has | :15:25. | :15:33. | |
been good for this country. He spoke about the declining bee population. | :15:34. | :15:36. | |
He talked about the fact that it is because of the European Union we | :15:37. | :15:39. | |
have a directive which has stopped the rip-off mobile phone roaming | :15:40. | :15:47. | |
charges and there will be no roaming charges from next year because of a | :15:48. | :15:49. | |
vote by the European Parliament. He talked about European Convention on | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
human rights which guarantees the right to a family life and to | :15:54. | :15:57. | |
practice the religion you want. And then he was talking about workers' | :15:58. | :16:02. | |
rights which he says we enjoy as a result of the European Union. Four | :16:03. | :16:07. | |
weeks paid leave, paternity leave, the right to go to antenatal | :16:08. | :16:08. | |
appointment and so forth. A couple have been describing | :16:09. | :16:12. | |
the moment they realised the child they'd loved, | :16:13. | :16:21. | |
nurtured, fed and bathed for four months wasn't theirs - | :16:22. | :16:24. | |
but had been swapped at birth After a DNA test and a long legal | :16:25. | :16:26. | |
battle Richard Cushworth, who's originally from | :16:27. | :16:30. | |
Bradford in West Yorkshire, and his Salvadoran wife | :16:31. | :16:32. | |
Mercedes Casanellas have now finally returned | :16:33. | :16:39. | |
home with their child, They are still none the wiser | :16:40. | :16:40. | |
as to why their baby Matthew Price has been to meet them | :16:41. | :16:44. | |
for the Today programme on Radio 4. He was born, and immediately when he | :16:45. | :16:55. | |
was taken out of me, he was passed to me, and I gave him a kiss and | :16:56. | :17:00. | |
they took him to the nursery. And that was the last time I saw him. So | :17:01. | :17:07. | |
the next morning, what happened? The next morning they bring all the | :17:08. | :17:12. | |
babies back, so at noon I got my baby, and when I saw him, the first | :17:13. | :17:16. | |
impression was, this is not the same baby that I saw last night. And I | :17:17. | :17:24. | |
looked at him, and I remember that the baby I saw was just like my | :17:25. | :17:29. | |
husband, and this baby did not look like my husband, and I started to | :17:30. | :17:35. | |
tell all the staff that was in the hospital, and they all insisted and | :17:36. | :17:39. | |
said, no, this is your baby, you were medicated last night after the | :17:40. | :17:44. | |
C section, they put extra medication on me, so they said, you were not | :17:45. | :17:52. | |
aware, this is your baby. I asked the doctors, they said, this is your | :17:53. | :17:58. | |
baby. So I was like, OK, this is my baby. But your mothers instinct told | :17:59. | :18:03. | |
you it was not, and yet still you brought that child home here to | :18:04. | :18:08. | |
Texas? Yes, I took the baby on the fourth day at the hospital, I was | :18:09. | :18:16. | |
going home, and I had visitors, my friends came, and I said, look, do | :18:17. | :18:21. | |
you think they changed my baby? And my friends would say, no, it is the | :18:22. | :18:28. | |
same baby. I asked 20, 30, how many people, everybody that came, and | :18:29. | :18:31. | |
they all said, no, this is your baby. So I went home and then my | :18:32. | :18:39. | |
husband came from Texas, and the baby, the days started to go by, and | :18:40. | :18:43. | |
his features, his skin, everything started to change, and he started to | :18:44. | :18:49. | |
not look anything like either one of us. So I had that thought in my | :18:50. | :18:57. | |
heart, in my mind. I was nursing the baby, taking care of him, loving him | :18:58. | :19:02. | |
like ours, and I started to fall in love with the baby, and this feeling | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
was so difficult, because you love this baby like your baby, but then | :19:08. | :19:11. | |
inside, I had the thought, what if this is not my baby? What if this is | :19:12. | :19:17. | |
not my child? Where is my child? Where is my baby? And I tried to put | :19:18. | :19:23. | |
that thought away, I said, this is not real, this cannot have happened | :19:24. | :19:29. | |
to me, this is Hollywood, this is the movies. And that thought came | :19:30. | :19:34. | |
back and forth every day, every week. I could not resist that | :19:35. | :19:41. | |
thought, that feeling. And I took the decision to go and take a DNA | :19:42. | :19:49. | |
test. So I never told my husband and a thing, I never mentioned to him, I | :19:50. | :19:54. | |
would ask and, hey, do you think the baby looks like us? And what was | :19:55. | :19:59. | |
your answer? I just accepted that it was my child. Now I look at the | :20:00. | :20:03. | |
pictures, right around the time that we came to Dallas when he was three | :20:04. | :20:08. | |
months old, and I am shocked that I never suspected, because you can see | :20:09. | :20:12. | |
that it is just obviously not my child, if you look at some of the | :20:13. | :20:19. | |
pictures. I don't know how I didn't ask myself. You don't think about | :20:20. | :20:24. | |
these things. We were in love with the baby, and even when I did the | :20:25. | :20:30. | |
big DNA test, I thought I was betraying him, that was thought I | :20:31. | :20:34. | |
had, I am betraying my son, but I cannot live with this. And I | :20:35. | :20:37. | |
thought, if this is my son, DNA test will prove that he is mine, and this | :20:38. | :20:44. | |
thought has to abandon me. When the test results came back, what did | :20:45. | :20:54. | |
they say? 0.0% the mother of the baby. It was impossible but that was | :20:55. | :21:02. | |
your son? Impossible. 0.0%. And how did you feel at that moment? I just | :21:03. | :21:06. | |
fell on the floor. My body just couldn't resist the pain, the | :21:07. | :21:13. | |
thought that the baby that I had been nursing, taking care of, loving | :21:14. | :21:22. | |
him, bathing him, that he was not mine. And then I had another thought | :21:23. | :21:30. | |
which came with it, where is my baby? So I had to thoughts, what is | :21:31. | :21:38. | |
going to happen with this baby, and where is my baby? So I just fell on | :21:39. | :21:47. | |
the floor and started to cry and cry and cry, and then my husband came | :21:48. | :21:51. | |
and he was like, what happened? And I am like, how am I going to tell | :21:52. | :21:56. | |
him? What am I going to tell him? I couldn't even speak for minutes and | :21:57. | :21:58. | |
minutes and give him the news that way. And how did you feel when | :21:59. | :22:15. | |
Mercy told you? I was overwhelmed. I remember the first trauma to me was, | :22:16. | :22:23. | |
oh my goodness, I have a child, and my child is somewhere out there in | :22:24. | :22:28. | |
the world. Where is he? Who is taking care of him? What happened to | :22:29. | :22:33. | |
him? Why did this happen? Am I ever go to see him again? And I just felt | :22:34. | :22:39. | |
like a panic that my only child was lost or stolen. I didn't know what | :22:40. | :22:49. | |
it was, and that was the concern. It was after that but I started to | :22:50. | :22:53. | |
process, we might lose this child that we have been raising for three | :22:54. | :22:59. | |
months, and that was the second trauma, that we might lose one, and | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
I remember in the beginning, it was so difficult to talk about losing | :23:05. | :23:09. | |
Jacob, wasn't it? And so we started saying to each other and hoping, our | :23:10. | :23:15. | |
hope in the beginning was that we would find our real child but also | :23:16. | :23:19. | |
be able to keep the one we had raced for three months, and that we would | :23:20. | :23:27. | |
have to children was our hope. But I remember I was the first one who | :23:28. | :23:31. | |
started saying, this child has a legitimate family, we are going to | :23:32. | :23:36. | |
have to give him away, and I think I was the one that accepted that | :23:37. | :23:40. | |
first. They did track down your biological child, they did DNA tests | :23:41. | :23:49. | |
on babies born that day in the hospital, and they found him, and | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
then within a matter of hours, you had to hand over the child you had | :23:54. | :23:58. | |
been caring for? I remember that, the judge called me into her room, | :23:59. | :24:05. | |
and she said, we have found your baby, and when she told me that, I | :24:06. | :24:10. | |
couldn't even, her words were like, what? I couldn't understand, I | :24:11. | :24:18. | |
couldn't believe it. It was something wonderful. A great relief. | :24:19. | :24:24. | |
And then my lawyer in the car, he said, we were celebrating, can you | :24:25. | :24:28. | |
imagine after all these weeks looking for him, and we were crazy, | :24:29. | :24:35. | |
and calling everybody, it was a big party, and my lawyer said, we have | :24:36. | :24:41. | |
to bring the other baby. And I am like, what? And he said, we have | :24:42. | :24:47. | |
found his family and you have to hand him in. And I couldn't believe | :24:48. | :24:52. | |
it. That is when I realised, until he told me, you have to give the | :24:53. | :24:59. | |
other baby... And we got there, and we had to rush, we were rushed in, | :25:00. | :25:05. | |
we have to go quickly, just bring the baby, and we barely got time to | :25:06. | :25:13. | |
say goodbye. And I got all his clothes... | :25:14. | :25:18. | |
And we took him in the office, and we handed him in. And that was the | :25:19. | :25:28. | |
most difficult part of all the situation. And then at the same | :25:29. | :25:38. | |
time, it is so sad, but we got our baby, and it was so happy, we | :25:39. | :25:42. | |
finally saw him, and when he saw us, he was smiling and he was laughing, | :25:43. | :25:48. | |
and it was so... Something happened really beautiful. He was dressed | :25:49. | :25:57. | |
just like my husband. And Jacob was dressed like his dad, too. We didn't | :25:58. | :26:02. | |
know each other, we don't know anything, but the babies, when we | :26:03. | :26:06. | |
took him in, the each were dressed like their father. It was really | :26:07. | :26:13. | |
nice, and we celebrated, we took Moses home, and it was beautiful. It | :26:14. | :26:21. | |
was a blessing of God. I got to nurse him, too, without any | :26:22. | :26:26. | |
problems, and he adjusted. He never cried. It was amazing, his | :26:27. | :26:36. | |
adjustment, how peaceful he was. Peaceful and smiling and happy, very | :26:37. | :26:41. | |
happy. And when we got home, we realised that we didn't have any | :26:42. | :26:44. | |
clothes for him, because we took all the other clothes for the other | :26:45. | :26:48. | |
baby, and we were like, what will we do tonight, because we got home very | :26:49. | :26:52. | |
late? And then our friends started to come and bring gifts. But you | :26:53. | :26:58. | |
don't even think about that. Your thoughts are like, it is like an | :26:59. | :27:03. | |
emotional roller-coaster. Do you have any contact with Jacob now? The | :27:04. | :27:08. | |
last time we saw was when we got their footprints and birth | :27:09. | :27:12. | |
certificate. And we got to spend about two hours with the other | :27:13. | :27:16. | |
family, we took a lot of pictures and videos. Do you think you will | :27:17. | :27:20. | |
continue to have a place in his life over the years, or is that not going | :27:21. | :27:25. | |
to be possible? I think so. We would like that. I would really love to | :27:26. | :27:32. | |
see justice in this situation, Matthew. I would like to know what | :27:33. | :27:38. | |
happened. How did this happen? Because I don't want to see it | :27:39. | :27:42. | |
happen to another person. It has done terrible financial and | :27:43. | :27:48. | |
emotional damage to us. But we are here, we survived, and God has | :27:49. | :27:51. | |
helped us and comforted us through the process, and everything is | :27:52. | :27:59. | |
turning out OK. That was an astonishing interview. | :28:00. | :28:01. | |
The couple finally reunited with their delicious little boy. | :28:02. | :28:09. | |
Six weeks ago James Taylor was suddenly forced to retire from | :28:10. | :28:13. | |
cricket due to a potentially fatal heart condition. | :28:14. | :28:15. | |
The former England batsman has been speaking to retired | :28:16. | :28:17. | |
The footballer was forced to retire at the age of 23 after collapsing on | :28:18. | :28:26. | |
the pitch. They are brought together in a lovely conversation in the next | :28:27. | :28:29. | |
half an hour. And a recording of the emergency | :28:30. | :28:31. | |
call made by the mother whose son fell into a gorilla | :28:32. | :28:34. | |
enclosure is released. With the News here's Annita McVeigh | :28:35. | :28:38. | |
in the BBC Newsroom. The Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn | :28:39. | :28:44. | |
is making a speech setting out why he thinks the UK should remain | :28:45. | :28:47. | |
in the EU. He's being urged to do more to get | :28:48. | :28:49. | |
Labour supporters more Meanwhile Leave campaigner | :28:50. | :28:51. | |
Iain Duncan Smith has accused Downing Street of showing contempt | :28:52. | :28:54. | |
for voters over the A couple who were given | :28:55. | :28:57. | |
the wrong baby by a hospital in El Salvador a year ago | :28:58. | :29:03. | |
are finally back home after a long fight to be | :29:04. | :29:06. | |
reunited with their son. Richard Cushworth, who's British, | :29:07. | :29:08. | |
and his wife Mercy, were given a birth certificate for their son | :29:09. | :29:11. | |
Moses only a few days ago. They landed back home in Texas this | :29:12. | :29:13. | |
week and have been speaking The first trauma to me was, oh my | :29:14. | :29:28. | |
goodness, I have a child, and my child is somewhere out there in the | :29:29. | :29:34. | |
world. Where is he? Who is taking care of him? What happened to him? | :29:35. | :29:38. | |
Why did this happen? Am I ever go to see him again? | :29:39. | :29:41. | |
At least five people have died in heavy flooding | :29:42. | :29:43. | |
In one Bavarian town, the bodies of three people | :29:44. | :29:46. | |
who became trapped in a house by rising waters have been found. | :29:47. | :29:49. | |
In France, there are fears that the River Seine could rise | :29:50. | :29:52. | |
further, threatening more towns and villages. | :29:53. | :29:55. | |
The Department for Education has defended its support for pupils | :29:56. | :29:58. | |
with special needs - after a study found that head | :29:59. | :30:00. | |
teachers across a majority of mainstream schools say cuts | :30:01. | :30:02. | |
and insufficient budgets are having a damaging impact. | :30:03. | :30:09. | |
The Government says it has increased funding for children | :30:10. | :30:11. | |
The study said around 80% of schools were struggling to help pupils | :30:12. | :30:17. | |
who need special educational support or have disabilities, | :30:18. | :30:19. | |
with staff fearing the effect on pupil assessments | :30:20. | :30:21. | |
The fate of 11,000 jobs hangs in the balance - | :30:22. | :30:26. | |
with a decision on the future of the high street retailer BHS | :30:27. | :30:29. | |
The company went into administration in April. | :30:30. | :30:32. | |
If no buyer is found BHS could be forced into liquidation. | :30:33. | :30:38. | |
An audio recording of an emergency call made by a mother whose son fell | :30:39. | :30:41. | |
into a gorilla enclosure at Cincinnati Zoo has been released. | :30:42. | :31:12. | |
Shortly after that call was made the zoo shot dead | :31:13. | :31:14. | |
Harambe the gorilla - sparking global outrage. | :31:15. | :31:18. | |
The parents of the three-year-old have released a statement | :31:19. | :31:20. | |
saying their son is recovering well, but they could now face | :31:21. | :31:22. | |
criminal charges as police investigate the incident. | :31:23. | :31:32. | |
That's a summary of the latest news, join me for | :31:33. | :31:34. | |
This news just in. A former aide to David Cameron has been given a | :31:35. | :31:47. | |
two-year conditional discharge at Southwark Crown Court for making | :31:48. | :31:52. | |
indecent images of children. He is 65 years old, he is called Patrick | :31:53. | :31:58. | |
Rock. He has effectively walked free from court -- for downloading images | :31:59. | :32:00. | |
of indecent children. Good morning. Andy Murray has been | :32:01. | :32:15. | |
playing his best ever on clay, according to John Kavaliauskas. | :32:16. | :32:21. | |
England take on Portugal at Wembley tonight in their final warm up match | :32:22. | :32:24. | |
before the European Championship in France. The visitors will be without | :32:25. | :32:32. | |
Cristiano Ronaldo. He is on holiday after Real Madrid won the Champions | :32:33. | :32:38. | |
League. Pep Guardiola has made his first | :32:39. | :32:43. | |
signing for Manchester City. Ilkay Gundogan has signed a four-year deal | :32:44. | :32:46. | |
at the Etihad. And Royal Troon is to hold a special | :32:47. | :32:51. | |
meeting in July to propose the introduction of female members. The | :32:52. | :32:55. | |
club will host the Open Championship. The field members | :32:56. | :33:00. | |
voted not to accept women in last month, knowing that only courses | :33:01. | :33:06. | |
with equal membership rules could host the Open. I will have more | :33:07. | :33:10. | |
later. Thank you. | :33:11. | :33:16. | |
We have had some tweets about children with special educational | :33:17. | :33:24. | |
needs. One mother says children in mainstream schools are being failed. | :33:25. | :33:29. | |
The system is buckling under cuts and autism families are having to | :33:30. | :33:33. | |
fight every single day. Thank you for that. Do keep them coming in. We | :33:34. | :33:39. | |
heard Jeremy Corbyn's speech earlier, and when it comes to | :33:40. | :33:44. | |
reasons for the UK to stay in the European Union, you would not | :33:45. | :33:49. | |
necessarily put the safety of bees at the top of the list. Jeremy | :33:50. | :33:54. | |
Corbyn has explained why bees will be safer if Britain remains in the | :33:55. | :34:00. | |
European Union. We can talk to our political Guru Norman Smith. That | :34:01. | :34:05. | |
was interesting, bees and beaches? I have heard lots of reasons for | :34:06. | :34:12. | |
staying in the EU but I have never heard that bees would be better off. | :34:13. | :34:17. | |
Mr Corbyn is a keen gardener and has his own allotment so it is probably | :34:18. | :34:20. | |
an issue that he feels strongly about. He said the EU had passed EU | :34:21. | :34:28. | |
regulations about pesticides which then if it did bees and he said the | :34:29. | :34:33. | |
EU was better for beaches. Say beaches and bees would both benefit | :34:34. | :34:38. | |
if we stay in the EU. That is a bit and then because he was making a | :34:39. | :34:43. | |
much bigger picture about the EU and why Labour people should be in | :34:44. | :34:48. | |
favour of it. Primarily, it has to be said about workers' rights and | :34:49. | :34:53. | |
employment rights. He talked about trying to extend those. He says | :34:54. | :34:57. | |
Europe has done a lot but it can do more. Some of the areas he said a | :34:58. | :35:02. | |
Labour government would seek to address, he said four example if the | :35:03. | :35:11. | |
Conservatives abolished the Human Rights Act, Labour would seek to | :35:12. | :35:14. | |
reinstate that. If they sign up to this controversial transatlantic | :35:15. | :35:16. | |
trade deal, Labour would veto it. We did get some grit from Jeremy Corbyn | :35:17. | :35:21. | |
but I think some eyebrows would be raised at the thought that bees and | :35:22. | :35:25. | |
beaches were the bigger issues. Thank you, Norman. | :35:26. | :35:29. | |
Six weeks ago, James Taylor was living out his childhood dream | :35:30. | :35:33. | |
and had a promising career as a professional cricketer | :35:34. | :35:35. | |
But at the age of 26, he was forced to retire when doctors | :35:36. | :35:39. | |
discovered he had a potentially fatal heart condition. | :35:40. | :35:41. | |
It means he can't do strenuous exercise. | :35:42. | :35:42. | |
Medics likened his diagnosis to that of former footballer Fabrice Muamba, | :35:43. | :35:45. | |
who collapsed on the pitch during an FA Cup quarterfinal | :35:46. | :35:48. | |
The player, who was 23 at the time, was "in effect dead" for 78 minutes. | :35:49. | :35:55. | |
Former England batsman James says he drew inspiration from Fabrice. | :35:56. | :35:58. | |
Here's what happened when the two came face to face. | :35:59. | :36:12. | |
A Premier League football is fighting for his life | :36:13. | :36:15. | |
after collapsing on the pitch during an FA Cup tie. | :36:16. | :36:19. | |
I grew up wanting one thing in life, to play football. | :36:20. | :36:26. | |
England and Nottinghamshire batsmen James Taylor has been forced | :36:27. | :36:28. | |
to retire after discovering he has a very serious heart condition. | :36:29. | :36:34. | |
I made my England ODI debut in 2011, and my Test debut in 2012. | :36:35. | :36:43. | |
He fell to the ground just before half-time during Bolton's | :36:44. | :36:46. | |
match against Spurs, and was rushed to hospital. | :36:47. | :36:49. | |
James Taylor says it has been the toughest week of his life, | :36:50. | :36:57. | |
and his world has been turned upside down. | :36:58. | :37:00. | |
I will never play the sport I love again. | :37:01. | :37:02. | |
But I knew I was lucky to still be alive. | :37:03. | :37:16. | |
I knew your story because of how big it was at the time, | :37:17. | :37:31. | |
and that was obviously a few years before what happened to me, | :37:32. | :37:35. | |
and it was actually, when I eventually got a hospital, | :37:36. | :37:38. | |
I knew how serious mine was, my problem was, when they go, | :37:39. | :37:44. | |
we think you've had something similar to Fabrice Muamba, | :37:45. | :37:48. | |
and then I knew, that was the first time that I knew how | :37:49. | :37:51. | |
Do you count yourself very lucky to find yourself in the difficult | :37:52. | :38:03. | |
position where it could have been a lot worse, would you feel like, | :38:04. | :38:06. | |
I did not count myself lucky up until I had when I had all the tests | :38:07. | :38:14. | |
done, and I had my final MRI scam, where they put dye inside you and it | :38:15. | :38:18. | |
It wasn't until I got the results of that, | :38:19. | :38:23. | |
When he told me I would never be able to play competitive sport | :38:24. | :38:31. | |
again, which meant I would never obviously play cricket, | :38:32. | :38:35. | |
I was obviously in hysterics when he told me. | :38:36. | :38:42. | |
But then he said, what you have, if it is any consolation, | :38:43. | :38:45. | |
it is usually found in postmortems so a lot of the time you die. | :38:46. | :38:50. | |
That is the first time, after all of this, I felt, | :38:51. | :38:53. | |
I am actually quite lucky here to have survived it. | :38:54. | :38:58. | |
If you have just tuned in, let me remind you of | :38:59. | :39:02. | |
the very upsetting news from White Hart Lane this evening. | :39:03. | :39:06. | |
The midfielder Fabrice Muamba collapsed in the match | :39:07. | :39:08. | |
It was all around the world what happened to you, | :39:09. | :39:15. | |
but can you talk in your own words what happened on that | :39:16. | :39:18. | |
We travelled down to White Hart Lane. | :39:19. | :39:23. | |
There was no sign or indication that something would happen | :39:24. | :39:30. | |
I think it was 1-1 at the time and I had the chance | :39:31. | :39:38. | |
Just past the halfway line on the right side of the pitch | :39:39. | :39:48. | |
I felt very dizzy and all of a sudden I fell down. | :39:49. | :39:50. | |
I think the first time my head hit the floor, the second time | :39:51. | :39:53. | |
I did not wake up until Monday morning, very drowsy. | :39:54. | :40:02. | |
Because I was so drugged up and everything else, it was like, | :40:03. | :40:06. | |
I saw everyone in my room and I was wearing a white dress, | :40:07. | :40:12. | |
All of a sudden, I started to see so many people that I had spoken | :40:13. | :40:21. | |
to a couple of days before coming into my room. | :40:22. | :40:25. | |
Some of them looked worried, some of them could not | :40:26. | :40:27. | |
The most important thing is I am here. | :40:28. | :40:31. | |
You get a great perspective of life, because that is a good thing. | :40:32. | :40:35. | |
He has a smile on his face, removing his helmet, the crowd know. | :40:36. | :40:42. | |
He has got his maiden 100 and he got a big hug... | :40:43. | :40:48. | |
What does this ground represent for you? | :40:49. | :40:56. | |
I know you scored your first 100 for England here? | :40:57. | :40:58. | |
Like when you are boy, scoring your first goal | :40:59. | :41:02. | |
I had done what I wanted to do all my life. | :41:03. | :41:07. | |
Especially in the situation where we had won the game. | :41:08. | :41:09. | |
It makes your 100 score more important. | :41:10. | :41:13. | |
I hit the ball and I had to dive in to get to the other end, | :41:14. | :41:21. | |
Doing the skill you love and showing everybody how good you are at that | :41:22. | :41:25. | |
skill, that is the thing I am most going to miss. | :41:26. | :41:30. | |
It is going to be tough but there are things | :41:31. | :41:32. | |
in the future we can both look forward to. | :41:33. | :41:35. | |
Every condition is very different, and every person, | :41:36. | :41:43. | |
and we are an extreme case because we are so young. | :41:44. | :41:47. | |
When you had yours, you were 23, am I right? | :41:48. | :41:52. | |
And now I'm 26, so when they try and relate, certainly on social | :41:53. | :41:56. | |
media when people try to relate, it is really nice when they do, | :41:57. | :42:00. | |
but when they say, I know exactly what you're going through, | :42:01. | :42:03. | |
my grandad had this, I am like, you said it | :42:04. | :42:06. | |
So it is nice when people do try to relate, but every condition | :42:07. | :42:13. | |
This condition is more common than ever, it is not out | :42:14. | :42:21. | |
there yet, but a lot of people who are involved, | :42:22. | :42:24. | |
I appreciate life more, but I'm not scared of anything. | :42:25. | :42:34. | |
As a sports person, we like to pretend we are | :42:35. | :42:36. | |
I think having somebody to literally go out there, if you are going | :42:37. | :42:42. | |
to cry, let the person see you are vulnerable, | :42:43. | :42:44. | |
you are crying, because it kind of helps long-term. | :42:45. | :42:59. | |
Look at all these dodgy pictures, dodgy haircuts. | :43:00. | :43:01. | |
This was my first Midlands cap, Andy Caddick, look at his big ears | :43:02. | :43:07. | |
I am happy with that haircut, I'm not sure about these. | :43:08. | :43:12. | |
Yes, it is exciting, as you can see. | :43:13. | :43:18. | |
That is young, young lions, maybe. | :43:19. | :43:30. | |
I think it this is when I had my pacemaker done, I think. | :43:31. | :43:40. | |
I just wanted to go home then. | :43:41. | :43:46. | |
That I think was after about five days of being in hospital, | :43:47. | :43:53. | |
Hopefully the next chapter will be much more enjoyable. | :43:54. | :44:06. | |
That is the worrying thing for me at the minute. | :44:07. | :44:13. | |
I can't put my finger on what exactly I am going to do, | :44:14. | :44:16. | |
which is always going to be the case, but it was always | :44:17. | :44:19. | |
going to happen at some point, but had it happened later on down | :44:20. | :44:22. | |
the line, I would have prepared myself better. | :44:23. | :44:37. | |
As soon as this happened, you are my inspiration, | :44:38. | :44:39. | |
and now it is funny, sat it talking to you, | :44:40. | :44:41. | |
that is the exact message you are saying back to me, | :44:42. | :44:44. | |
just appreciate life and every second, and life is a real | :44:45. | :44:46. | |
The one thing that I have noticed since it happened | :44:47. | :44:50. | |
We have a totally different perspective on life, | :44:51. | :44:53. | |
and rather than your viewpoint being here, football or cricket, | :44:54. | :44:55. | |
And we appreciate life and everything that comes with it, | :44:56. | :44:59. | |
and more importantly, our friends and family, | :45:00. | :45:01. | |
and to cherish every minute and opportunity. | :45:02. | :45:02. | |
It is no more to question why this, why that. | :45:03. | :45:06. | |
You have to remember we are in a very special team, | :45:07. | :45:08. | |
It is my proudest moment to have survived what we have both survived, | :45:09. | :45:18. | |
and we wouldn't be where we are now without our family, and I think | :45:19. | :45:22. | |
that is the biggest thing, and people around us. | :45:23. | :45:24. | |
They have certainly done wonders for me, and I know by the sound | :45:25. | :45:27. | |
You can watch When James Taylor met Fabrice Muamba now on the BBC | :45:28. | :45:43. | |
iPlayer, or you can hear more by downloading a podcast | :45:44. | :45:45. | |
of the programme from the BBC Radio 5 live website. | :45:46. | :45:57. | |
Audio of the emergency call made by the mother whose child fell into the | :45:58. | :46:04. | |
gorilla enclosure at Cincinnati zoo has been released. | :46:05. | :46:24. | |
Minutes after that call, Harambe the gorilla was shot dead, | :46:25. | :46:30. | |
Well, we can talk now to Sheila Gray from Good Morning Cincinnati. | :46:31. | :46:33. | |
Thank you for talking to our audience. I wonder if the release of | :46:34. | :46:40. | |
this phone call will make people realise how distressing it was for | :46:41. | :46:44. | |
this mother. I think everyone realised from seeing the video how | :46:45. | :46:47. | |
distressing it was for the mother, but I can tell you that she released | :46:48. | :46:52. | |
a statement this week saying that her little boy had been back to the | :46:53. | :46:56. | |
doctor and he is just fine. That is great news, Brett Sheehan is | :46:57. | :46:59. | |
received such a backlash, and I understand the police are now | :47:00. | :47:05. | |
potentially investigating her for neglect? Yes, they have wrapped up | :47:06. | :47:10. | |
the investigation, and they will recommend whether they think she and | :47:11. | :47:12. | |
the father should face charges in this case. They have handed over the | :47:13. | :47:21. | |
investigator to the Hamilton County prosecutor, and we expect to hear | :47:22. | :47:28. | |
tomorrow. Charges for what? Child endangering, and we hear from | :47:29. | :47:33. | |
defence attorneys that that would be hard to prove. Because there was a | :47:34. | :47:39. | |
hole in the fence. Correct. It seems extraordinary they were | :47:40. | :47:41. | |
investigating, but if a complaint is made, I suppose that has to happen. | :47:42. | :47:46. | |
Yes, and I think because people were so upset about what has happened to | :47:47. | :47:50. | |
the gorilla, and people feel there should be some responsibility for | :47:51. | :47:56. | |
what happened to Harambe. Is there an investigation into the zoo? Not | :47:57. | :48:04. | |
by the police. The zoo itself is reviewing its besiegers and the | :48:05. | :48:14. | |
security, -- it's procedures. And the mother has been receiving | :48:15. | :48:18. | |
horrible threats? She has received death threats, she had to delete her | :48:19. | :48:20. | |
Facebook page because people from all over the world were saying | :48:21. | :48:25. | |
terrible things to her, but she also pointed out she spoke with our | :48:26. | :48:30. | |
managing editor and she said she has also received a lot of messages of | :48:31. | :48:33. | |
support, so they are asking the donations be made to the zoo in | :48:34. | :48:41. | |
honour of Harambe. Thank you, Sheila Gray at Cincinnati. | :48:42. | :48:44. | |
Just over a year ago, the government announced | :48:45. | :48:46. | |
the Right To Buy Scheme would be extended - so not only | :48:47. | :48:49. | |
would council tenants be allowed to buy their homes at a discounted | :48:50. | :48:51. | |
price, it would also be open to Housing Association | :48:52. | :48:54. | |
In April this year, the Housing and Planning Act set out exactly | :48:55. | :48:58. | |
what this would mean and how it would work. | :48:59. | :49:00. | |
But as the first housing association properties | :49:01. | :49:04. | |
are about to go under the hammer, questions are being raised | :49:05. | :49:06. | |
as to where the money to pay for it all is going to come from. | :49:07. | :49:10. | |
Here's a short extract from that full report we bought you earlier. | :49:11. | :49:16. | |
Last year, channelling his inner Margaret Thatcher, David Cameron | :49:17. | :49:19. | |
announced the Government was going to extend Right to Buy | :49:20. | :49:23. | |
to housing association tenants, giving them big, Government funded | :49:24. | :49:25. | |
The Government says it can fund it by selling off the country's most | :49:26. | :49:34. | |
You might imagine that when the Government says | :49:35. | :49:39. | |
they are going to force councils to sell off their most expensive | :49:40. | :49:42. | |
properties, they might look something a little | :49:43. | :49:44. | |
Whereas in fact the also means selling houses like this. | :49:45. | :49:50. | |
This is in Southwark in south London. | :49:51. | :49:52. | |
This will have to be sold as soon as it | :49:53. | :50:06. | |
became vacant by the Government to fund the sale of housing | :50:07. | :50:08. | |
And that's because the law says that every council up and down | :50:09. | :50:12. | |
the country has to sell their more expensive homes. | :50:13. | :50:14. | |
That money is then divided up, put into a pot and given | :50:15. | :50:17. | |
to the housing associations to compensate them. | :50:18. | :50:19. | |
The problem is, if you don't have houses like this, | :50:20. | :50:21. | |
many councils will have to sell houses a bit like | :50:22. | :50:24. | |
This estate was recently built by Haringey Council | :50:25. | :50:27. | |
The council fears this new law means it may have to be sold off | :50:28. | :50:31. | |
As the funding system works, it's simply impossible for us | :50:32. | :50:35. | |
to replace them to that extent, nationally only one in eight council | :50:36. | :50:38. | |
homes are rebuilt and we think the Government should cut the red | :50:39. | :50:41. | |
Because if we assume that we need to sell around 113,000 council | :50:42. | :50:51. | |
houses to compensate housing associations and only one | :50:52. | :50:53. | |
in eight are replaced, we will lose around 100,000 | :50:54. | :51:00. | |
When you consider we have nearly 2 million people on the council | :51:01. | :51:06. | |
housing waiting list, those are houses we can ill | :51:07. | :51:08. | |
She lost her job and now faces eviction. | :51:09. | :51:15. | |
She's been told by her local authority she will have a 25-year | :51:16. | :51:17. | |
I did think that, given my situation and the fact that I do | :51:18. | :51:22. | |
have a disability, it would have been taken into consideration. | :51:23. | :51:24. | |
But basically the lady I spoke to was called a Housing Options | :51:25. | :51:27. | |
There weren't any options she could actually offer. | :51:28. | :51:31. | |
You must have been quite scared during this whole experience, | :51:32. | :51:33. | |
potentially being homeless, I suppose? | :51:34. | :51:37. | |
When I knew I was going to lose the house, I went | :51:38. | :51:40. | |
I just couldn't pull myself up out of it. | :51:41. | :51:51. | |
At one point I actually came close to suicide, I genuinely did. | :51:52. | :51:56. | |
Right to Buy mark 2 will give hundreds of thousands of housing | :51:57. | :51:59. | |
association tenants the opportunity to own their own homes, | :52:00. | :52:01. | |
But for those who are not so lucky and waiting | :52:02. | :52:05. | |
for council accommodation, this new change may make | :52:06. | :52:07. | |
Let's talk to two Housing Association tenants - | :52:08. | :52:13. | |
John Kavaliauskas who's lived in his flat in central | :52:14. | :52:18. | |
London for nearly 20 years and Leslie Channon | :52:19. | :52:22. | |
who's one of the people considering buying her home, | :52:23. | :52:24. | |
but not, she says, through her own choice. | :52:25. | :52:28. | |
You feel you are being pushed into buying your property, why? I am | :52:29. | :52:38. | |
looking to go back into work, so I will hit the threshold of being | :52:39. | :52:45. | |
forced to buy, I think my rent will go up about ?700 per month, so it | :52:46. | :52:48. | |
will be more cost-effective to do Right to Buy. But on the other hand, | :52:49. | :52:53. | |
I am conflicted, because when I found myself a single mother in | :52:54. | :52:58. | |
desperate need of housing, I was housed, so I am very passionate | :52:59. | :53:02. | |
about social housing, and while it might benefit me moving forward to | :53:03. | :53:08. | |
buy my home, what about the other people coming through? Berkane you | :53:09. | :53:13. | |
forward and extra head ?700 a month on your rent? No, I can't, so I am | :53:14. | :53:22. | |
feeling like a traitor. And John, you want to buy your housing | :53:23. | :53:27. | |
association property in Chelsea. You can understand why I would, but on | :53:28. | :53:31. | |
the same principle, I happened to be fortunate that I have ended up in | :53:32. | :53:37. | |
that position. But my housing association hasn't offered it to ask | :53:38. | :53:45. | |
to us, so people are not being treated equally. We are not treated | :53:46. | :53:49. | |
the same as council tenants when they got the chance to buy. We were | :53:50. | :53:55. | |
made to wait later, and even some of us within the Guinness trust are not | :53:56. | :53:59. | |
being offered the opportunity. I would like the opportunity, what the | :54:00. | :54:04. | |
value would be is another matter, and where I would find the income to | :54:05. | :54:08. | |
do it, but I am sure that there are ways that I could come to a position | :54:09. | :54:13. | |
to buy it. And do you trust that your authority will replace, if you | :54:14. | :54:26. | |
do end up buying your place, like-for-like, | :54:27. | :54:37. | |
one for one. It looks like once every eight will be replaced. The | :54:38. | :54:47. | |
regulation is quite woolly right now, so as that progresses, I think | :54:48. | :54:50. | |
we will find more detail, but the book are just not clear on how that | :54:51. | :54:57. | |
is actually going to add up. So you are not getting the information you | :54:58. | :55:02. | |
need? Not at all. We were given a letter before the crash saying, | :55:03. | :55:08. | |
would we be interested, and that was of course a yes, we didn't know what | :55:09. | :55:11. | |
the final detail would be, that past and we were not given a follow-up | :55:12. | :55:15. | |
letter to say what the position was now, years have rolled on, the | :55:16. | :55:20. | |
Tories in the election manifesto said we were considering letting | :55:21. | :55:23. | |
housing association tenants by, I have gone on to the website that | :55:24. | :55:27. | |
says, log on, check if you are in a position to buy, and my area, | :55:28. | :55:33. | |
understandably, has not come up as an offer. So even now, certain | :55:34. | :55:39. | |
associations in certain areas are offering it, and others are not. | :55:40. | :55:46. | |
What the politics and the reason behind it is, I am not party to, we | :55:47. | :55:51. | |
are not treated the stakeholders in these situations, we are told what | :55:52. | :55:55. | |
will happen and we have to take the best. It has got to the point where | :55:56. | :55:59. | |
we have to take legal action against them to get things like repairs | :56:00. | :56:02. | |
done. We could do a whole programme on that, thank you. Maybe I will | :56:03. | :56:07. | |
consider it! We asked the Government to talk | :56:08. | :56:09. | |
to us about this issue this In a statement, the Housing Minister | :56:10. | :56:12. | |
Brandon Lewis told us: When you look at the area you are | :56:13. | :56:39. | |
in, Chelsea, Central London, there could well be higher value but is | :56:40. | :56:42. | |
that the authority could sell to pay for building new affordable homes, | :56:43. | :56:48. | |
possibly in Burford in The Cotswolds than might be as well, but as we saw | :56:49. | :56:52. | |
in the film, the higher value homes, we are not talking millions. The | :56:53. | :56:59. | |
issue is that local authorities are being forced to sell the higher | :57:00. | :57:03. | |
value homes, and the money is going directly to government to fund the | :57:04. | :57:07. | |
Right to Buy for housing associations to come about discount. | :57:08. | :57:12. | |
And also apparently to build new replacements. The maths is in town | :57:13. | :57:19. | |
up for me. It is quite curious, the local authorities housing stock is | :57:20. | :57:25. | |
going to shrink to fund the housing association sale, but when they | :57:26. | :57:29. | |
sell, the profit that the housing association gets, they get to keep | :57:30. | :57:36. | |
to rebuild. So it seems a bit unfair at the moment, and it is really an | :57:37. | :57:40. | |
clear how it is going to work. And history has shown that most of the | :57:41. | :57:50. | |
money has not gone to replace like-for-like. And it is not just a | :57:51. | :57:55. | |
money issue, there is physically no space in some areas to build new | :57:56. | :58:00. | |
affordable homes, as well. All right, good luck. Thank you for | :58:01. | :58:03. | |
coming on the programme, and for your patience this morning, we | :58:04. | :58:06. | |
really appreciate it. Leslie Channon and John Kavaliauskas. Norman is | :58:07. | :58:12. | |
resented the programme tomorrow. He will be looking at the inquest into | :58:13. | :58:17. | |
private channel James at deep cut are, one of four young recruits who | :58:18. | :58:25. | |
died there between 1995 and 2002. Thank you for watching. | :58:26. | :58:31. | |
I can see Jordan and I can see LeBlanc. | :58:32. | :58:45. |