27/06/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

It's going to be a very busy morning.

The Chancellor George Osborne says leaving the EU won't be plain

sailing, but "robust contingency plans" are in place.

Leave campaigner Boris Johnson to say there's actually "no

great rush" to get out of the European Union, and Jeremy

Corbyn is still insisting he won't be quitting as Labour Party

leader, despite having lost well over a dozen of his top team

More extraordinary drama in Downing Street as David Cameron and Boris

Johnson meet face-to-face for the first time since the referendum. The

Chancellor tells the city, don't panic, but there is going to be

paying. -- pain. Over the course of the programme,

we'll look at what's happening with the Labour Party,

we'll look at the candidates for the next Tory Party leader,

we'll hear about a reported increase in racist incidents since

the referendum results. What are you thinking today? I voted

to leave the EU. The whole thing feels like chaos at the moment with

the Labour Party and the Conservatives are where they are. I

didn't vote that leave the United Kingdom. Would it change the way I

voted? Don't think it would. I voted to

remain in the European Union. I'm ready devastated that we are going

to be leaving and worried about the effect it will have on the prospects

of young people and the consequences for the political system, our

society, and the economy. Hello, welcome to the programme.

We're live until 11 this morning. Throughout the programme we'll bring

you up to date with the latest developments as they happen and,

of course, we want If you voted leave -

"There's no great rush to leave", according to Boris Johnson,

the head of the Leave campaign - Are you coming to terms

with the outcome? And if you text, you will be charged

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The Chancellor George Osborne has made his first address

since the referendum decision He said he wanted to reassure

the British people that the British economy was fundamentally strong

and highly competitive. Britain, said Mr Osborne,

was open for business, and he didn't want the UK

to turn its back on Europe. His statement came as the currency

and share markets saw further dips. The pound steadied. There have been

falls on the global markets overnight.

It's also against a background of political turmoil -

with Labour's top team in open revolt against Jeremy Corbyn,

and senior Tories beginning the machinations to choose

a new party leader and Prime Minister.

Let's speak to our political guru Norman Smith at Downing Street.

We have been waiting to hear from George Osborne since the result. We

now have. Tell us more about what he said? His mission today was to try

to calm the markets amid fears of potential panic as the city got to

grips with the implications of Brexit. He said, don't worry, we

talked through contingency plans. The Bank of England have got ample

reserves. George Osborne said he had been on the blower to chief

executives, two other central bankers, to the US Treasury

Department. Things are under control. But, and there is a but,

there will have to be pain. Mr Osborne said he did not resile, he

did not backtrack from any of the things he said in the run-up to this

referendum, namely that the public finances are going to take a hit.

However, he suggested there might be some breathing space. They will not

be an Emergency Budget within days. Instead, he suggested, that could be

put on hold until the autumn when a new Tory leader is in place. Have a

listen to what he said. There will be an adjustment in our

economy because every decision the British people have taken. I respect

that decision and we will get on and deliver on that decision. But the

impact on our economy will have an impact on public finances. Given the

delay in triggering Article 50, given the decision by the Prime

Minister to hand over to a successor, I think it is perfectly

sensible to wait for a new Prime Minister before we determine what

that action is. The backdrop to this is the Tory

leadership. That the correct one thing which I got wrong. Boris

Johnson is not going to be at Cabinet today because it is not a

political cabinet. All the questions now are who, if anyone, can stop

Boris? People in Downing Street say they are not part of a get Boris

campaign, there will be no recriminations, no revenge, the

Prime Minister will adopt a neutral approach in this contest. In the

wings, waits Theresa May. See is expected to announce she will stand

against Boris later this week. But the momentum building up behind

Boris is immense. Indeed, speaking to some of those who were frankly --

would frankly prefer to vote for a dead sheep rather than foreign --

Boris Johnson, therein some despair this morning because they feel

George Osborne and his supporters are about to throw their weight

behind Boris Johnson, which would make him almost unstoppable. This

morning, Michael Gove, when he emerged from his house, he was

sounding quite comforted. He was making warm words about what the

Chancellor had said. You supporting forest to be Prime

Minister? I'm looking forward to the Prime Minister's statement today. I

find the Chancellor's words very reassuring. I think this statement

provided the reassurance people need and I'm looking forward to hearing

from the Prime Minister later. Many Tory MPs say that whoever takes

over has to be a Brexiteer. It would be incredible if they want not. If

that was the case, who is the biggest Brexiteer in town? Yes, one

Boris Johnson. What is happening with Labour? Well, you know, it is

weird. One party is in carnage mode and the other party is in carnage

mode. Jeremy Corbyn this morning is hunkering down. He is basically

taking on allcomers. In the past hour and he has replaced all of

those shadow cabinet members who resigned yesterday. I suppose the

most interesting appointments are Emily Thornberry, who becomes the

new Shadow Foreign Secretary, Diane Abbott moves to health. The word

from Team Corbyn is he is going nowhere. This as more resignations

this morning, not from the shadow cabinet, further down the train.

What will become critical for Mr Corbyn visit some of the Labour left

now start to abandon him. If his own people started to leave. That is

what the plotters are hoping, that this revolt spreads beyond the

discontents to the shores of Gorgon's don't count. That may well

determine whether Mr Corbyn survives or not.

-- Corbyn's home camp. Thank you, Norman. We will talk to some

supporters of Mr Corbyn in the next couple of minutes and some from his

own party who want him to go right now. Financial markets continue to

react to the Brexit vote. The value of the pound is steadying this

morning. Kamal Ahmed is here. Steadying because of what George

Osborne said? I think a little bit. I think we have moved from Project

Fear, the allegation against George Osborne before the referendum, when

he said there would be economic chaos after the vote, if we voted to

leave, which obviously we have. Remember, he warned there would be

an emergency Budget, there would be ?30 billion of tax rises and public

sector cuts. Today he came out to try and give reassurance that the

economy, over again. I think we are seeing

very clearly from both Mark Carney, who spoke on Friday, and George

Osborne this morning, it was very unusual for the chance to make a

statement at 7am to reassure the financial markets, that there is a

plan in place at least first ability. Whilst we have had the

resignation of the Prime Minister. Whilst we have the issues that

Labour are battling with, the markets are not only worried about

the European Union issue and our relationship with the European

Union, they are also worried there will be a general election. That

creates greater uncertainty. Although this morning sterling has

steadied slightly, there is still a downward trend. Shares in our top

businesses are on a downward trajectory. Generally speaking to

businesses over the weekend, there is great concern about investment.

In the end what is bound to happen to interest rates, people's

mortgages, house prices, jobs, all of those things are now in flux. I

think one thing worth saying, there are economists to say this is all

overblown, the panic. That if we are ambitious and can take the

opportunities out there, Britain can become stronger. I think we need to

make it clear to people there is another message out there. There are

economists like Gerard Lyons riding at the weekend in the summertime --

The Sunday Times, former economic adviser to Boris Johnson, said this

country can still be great. There may be some short-term Thommo but

there will be a rapid boost. Lots of people argue against that. I think

George Osborne today is trying to give that feeling of stability.

Nothing fundamentally has changed in the UK economy between Thursday and

Friday, and so we need to ensure that we continue on that basis.

Thank you. Our programme today will be

dominated by much of the fallout from the referendum result. Now the

rest of the news. Eight children and two adults

are being treated in hospital after a rollercoaster derailed

and crashed at a theme park Three of the children are in a

serious condition. Here's our Scotland Correspondent,

Lorna Gordon. The damaged, upturned carriages

from a rollercoaster Eyewitnesses said the Tsunami Ride

derailed shortly after it set off, before falling 30 feet

onto a children's ride close by. I turned around, and all I could see

was one of the carriages hurtling towards the ground, on top

of one of the other rides, But I'm not sure if anybody

was on that ride. But then, once it had landed,

all I could see was people stuck, People there said there was silence,

followed by screaming, parents, fearful their children

were among the injured. Onlookers rushed to

free those trapped. Within minutes, they were joined

by the emergency services It was quite clearly distressing,

the injured are children. The gondolas have been

quite seriously damaged. For whatever reason,

part or all of them have detached from the rails, causing

it to leave the track. Many schools in Scotland have broken

up for the summer holidays, and there would have been

lots of children here at this theme park when the

rollercoaster derailed. It's not the first time there have

been problems with rides here, including with the Tsunami

Rollercoaster, but this is the most The park has been closed

while an investigation has been carried out into what caused

the ride to derail. Pope Francis has said

the Roman Catholic Church should seek forgiveness from gay people

for the way it has treated them. He said the Church had no right

to judge, and should show respect. Some conservative Catholics have

criticised his comments, which came as millions attended gay

pride festivals around the world. The acting Prime Minister of Spain,

Mariano Rajoy, says his party has reclaimed the right to govern

after new elections. His Popular Party won more seats

than it did six months ago, but is still short

of an overall majority. Mr Rajoy called for an end

to the political deadlock. Overwhelming response from you to

the result on Thursday, all through the weekend here on BBC News. We

have got a group of voters in the studio today. They will be with us

throughout the whole programme. There is so much to talk about in

terms of what happened on Thursday and the political after-shocks,

which just keep on coming. I'm going to review some tweets from people

right now. One says, we are really divided. I voted Leave and all of my

colleagues are Remainers. I'm going to my office for the first time

since the result and I am dreading it. Michael on Twitter is somewhat

divided in his family. His family voted out is to stop the immigrants.

I'm not even sure they have ever met a foreign person. Gavin says friends

stick through your site through thick and thin. If they cannot

accept your position, that is tough. And Hamid says he thinks he has

fallen out with half the country right now. -- hermit. You made the

decision. Do get in touch. You can text or send me an e-mail. Their

results are WhatsApp as well. Now Sally with the sport.

And the England game tonight isn't getting as much attention as it

normally would because there's quite a bit of politics around.

I know. Isn't it strange? It is odd to watch all of this from here and

to know that tonight, for England, on a normal England's day at a big

tournament like this, we would expect to be on your television

screens constantly. England have got a win or bust game.

Lots of questions over Roy Hodgson and whether or not his contract will

be renewed if England were to go out of the Euros and I have really

enjoyed watching Iceland, I'm sure everybody has at home, they are the

smallest nation in the tournament and their fans are incredible. A lot

of fun. They really bring the stadium to life playing every game

that they have done. They play England tonight. We're at the

knock-out stages. We are starting to get to the business end of this.

Let's go live to Nice where Olly Foster has been with the England

team and can bring us the latest news from within the England camp. I

think Olly, you've got sunshine? Well, we've got plenty of it here.

Good morning, Sally. A stunning morning here. We've spotted Roy

Hodgson. It is a beautiful part of the world. Certainly worse places to

play football. It is win or bust. England in a knock-out in a match

they really should win against Iceland, the lowest ranked nation

and the smallest population at the Euros. What a fantastic story for

them, but England really can't afford to lose this one, Roy Hodgson

would lose his job simply and the questions have been about now how it

was an unchanged team and he made the changes and they lost their

momentum after winning against Wales and it cost them top spot and what

is he going to do with his strikers? We expect hem to revert the same as

those Russia and Wales games. Perhaps Daniel Sturridge coming in

for Lallana and maybe Stirling. Here is Roy Hodgson's thoughts. I have

been happy all the time with the strikers that I've gone with. In a

football match you never know exactly how a person is going to

play, but you know what you're selecting because you know the

players. You work with them every day. You see them in training.

You've worked with them for years and you try to choose the best

possible players for that game. And I'm fortunate that, if it turns out,

that something isn't functioning quite as well as we would like we

have a lot of possibilities on the bench to make changes.

That's just the conundrum. England have been making lots and lots of

chances without putting them away. They scored three in the opening

three group matches. Iceland scored four and got five points to get

through. They're direct. They say they are expecting England to have

the possession, but they are sure that they can case an almighty upset

and that's what it would be, Sally. Old European Commission you said it.

Olly on the Riff air ra in the sunshine. -- Riveria. Lionel Messi

says his international career is over. He is going to retire after

Argentina's defeat to Chile. He missed out on an international

trophy. His side missed out on penalties. He is quoted as saying,

"For me the international team is over. It is what hard moment, but it

is over with the Argentina team." That was, those are comments that

come from him. Very much in the heat of the moment. Just in the aftermath

of the game. There is some speculation that it might not be his

final decision, but that's what he said in the last couple of hours for

him his international career is over. Wow. That seems a shame

actually, one of the best players in the world, arguably, if not the

best, according to some people. Yes, and aged just 29 as well. I wonder

whether he might be a little young to be saying that? Thank you very

much, Sally. Cabinet members are arriving in

Downing Street. Here is Norman. Justine Greening and Patrick

McLaughlin and Michael Fallon. Yes, we wait to see whether they have a

plan for getting us out of the EU because critical, of course, is

going to be when we trigger the Article 50 and then we might have a

clearer idea. Now, I'm just seeing wandering up the path is Sajid

Javid. Is there a plan Mr Javid? Any idea what we're going to do? Do you

have a master plan for leaving? No, we're not getting any answers

this morning. The problem is Boris Johnson is the man who we're looking

to formulate a strategy. And he is not in the Cabinet. So in a way, it

is a funny limbo situation. I guess what you will get today, they will

decide which ministers ought to be involved in trying to pull something

together and pull some deal together, everything is on hold, you

suspect, until the Tory Party decides who on earth is going to

lead them and who is going to lead the Government? You know, we're in

this curious limbo state when there are probably a good deal more

questions than there are answers and this afternoon, you know, in the

even more surreal situation, Mr Cameron appears in the Commons when

he has to answer questions about Brexit and about the referendum

which is slightly weird because of course, he is not going to be there

to carry on the negotiation and he wasn't in favour of Brexit anyway.

You know, we are living in very, very strange times.

We certainly are. Unprecedented times. Thank you, Norman. Back to

you whenever we need to obviously. On Twitter a viewer says this is

Sam, "There is a massive office divide. The atmosphere is tense and

uncomfortable as people argued all weekend on Facebook." Keep those

coming in. Let me know what it is like where you are in your family,

in your workplace. The EU referendum result has already

cost the Prime Minister his job, but will it cost the Labour

leader his too? For the time being Jeremy Corbyn

is adamant that he's going nowhere, but a leadership coup is underway,

with 16 members of his Shadow Cabinet having left it yesterday

at the rate of pretty much Four more have gone this morning and

more res ig nations are expected. Here's a quick reminder of how

we got to this point. We are saying the

Conservatives are the Friends, this is not the speech

I wanted to give today. In a couple of hours I will no

longer be leading this I recognise that my views

on austerity, nuclear weapons on a number of other issues

are not with the majority There is a trickle of names coming

in for Jeremy Corbyn late in the day, as you say,

he has to get 35 by noon, I've calculated he needs

eight more, so roughly he needs about a nomination

every five minutes. I mean, scraped

on with something like Something like ten minutes

to go he needed five, five minutes to go he needed three

and there were apparently two or three Labour

people waiting outside the offices of the Parliamentary Labour Party

until the very last minute... What about Hamas' attitude

towards gay people? Describing them as a minority

of perverts and the mentally and I totally and absolutely

disagree with that. I have made my views very clearly

known to them as indeed, during a delegation to Iran, where we're

talking largely about nuclear issues, I spent the whole week

raising human rights issues with the Iranian government and

all the other people. The first thing it says

is the moronic MPs who nominated Jeremy Corbyn

to have a debate need their heads felt, they need their heads

felt, they should be And yes, 2015 is not 2007 or 1997.

So yes, move on. Jeremy Corbyn has won more than 50%

of the votes cast in this round and I am therefore

delighted to declare Jeremy Corbyn elected as leader

of the Labour Party! it doesn't have to be unfair,

poverty is not inevitable, things So I thought my first

Prime Minister's Question Time I would do it

in a slightly different way and I am sure the Prime Minister

would absolutely I sent out an e-mail to thousands

of people and asked them what questions they would

like to put to the Prime Minister. And I ask one from a woman

called Marie... Ayes to the right...

397. The noes to the left...

223. I've just written to Jeremy Corbyn

to resign from the front bench. When an individual like that,

my own colleague in a team, is singled out for views I hold

myself, I think it's only honorable for myself, also,

to leave the front bench. I will go to Parliament

ande propose that the British people decide

our future in Europe. You are a Nazi apologist.

Rewriting history... I think the free movement

of labour means that I think the free movement of labour

means that you have to balance The Labour Party are

overwhelmingly for Because we believe

the European Union has brought investment, jobs and protection

for workers, consumers and the What is striking listening

to him today is he lists almost as many downsides as good

sides in the European Union. But now 20 minutes to

5 we can now say the decision taken in 1975, by this

country, to join the Common Market has been reversed by this referendum

to leave the EU. Mr Corbyn, how can you

survive in the wake of so many resignations

from your front bench? Back to Norman at Downing Street.

Hey-hey. Nicky Morgan is walking up. Ms Morgan, are you going to stand

for the leadership? She has disappeared behind the car. She is

one of the people who has been mooted as a possible contender in

the anyone but Boris category? Mr Gove do you have a plan for Brexit?

Basically, Vic are looking around for a Stop Boris candidate because

the favourite and Theresa May, who I have not seen going in yet unless

she went around the back, she usually, very deliberately goes in

the front so maybe she has still to arrive the people are looking to her

as to whether she might be able to stop Boris of the she is competent

if you're going to be developed in detailed, complex negotiations, you

want someone that's good at the detail and detail has not always

been Boris Johnson's strongest point! There is a view that if we

have to get into complicated and difficult negotiations we want

someone who is on top of that, who could that be? Maybe that's Theresa

May. Here she is. Maybe we can get a shout at her. I knew she would walk

down. She does this deliberately. Are you going to stand Mrs May? Are

you the stop Boris candidate? Mrs May, are you going to stand?

OK, well, she is not saying. She is going to stand, but she is not

saying, maybe later this week, maybe on Thursday. Mr Hunt are you going

to stand for the leadership? He may, he may not. The contest will come

down to Boris versus Theresa May. The interesting dynamic that is

happening is that the Chancellor's people seem to be rowing in behind,

that's Amber Rudd one of the Remainers who gave Boris a cuff

about the chops where she had a That really bruising line about Boris

being the life and soul of the party, but not the person you'd want

to drive you home! Team Osborne seem to be shifting behind Boris Johnson.

Now, that happens, that would seem to me to make it impossible. Are you

going to have to compromise over immigration, Mr Hammond?

Philip Hammond, you remember, yesterday he signalled that maybe

the Brexiteeres are going to have to climb down over immigration. They

will have to compromise over movement. Vic, it is all kicking

off! Anything could happen here. It is an extraordinary, extraordinary,

atmosphere. The whole political affirment is in total and utter

turmoil and over arching is all is what happens to Blighty? What is

going to happen to Britain? How soon will we be out of the European

Union? What will it mean for our economy and what will it mean for

people moving to and from Europe? What are the implications, that's

why we saw George Osborne coming out this morning and trying to calm down

the markets, but significantly saying there is going to have to be

pain ahead. The public finances will be hit and he said, "I do not resile

from anything I have said." All the warnings he gave about the economic

hit we will take, he still believes that. Thank you, for the moment,

Norman. Turmoil in the country. Turmoil in the Conservative Party.

Turmoil also in the Labour Party. What about their future leadership.

Jeremy Corbyn is adamant he is staying put. Yes, he had a big

mandate from party members at the leadership election last year. He

had a right to lead his party. I felt, after Friday's shadow cabinet,

I felt I could not go to my constituents and say I had complete

confidence in him to lead the party and to be a potential Prime

Minister. We are in the middle of economic and political chaos, the

government is not putting up -- coming up with answers to the

post-referendum scenario and I felt we needed strong leadership. And he

is not a strong leader? I don't think he's the right person to lead

us through the current situation. It would be wrong to sit around the

Cabinet table pretending I have confidence in him. What do you want

the deputy leader, Tom Watson, to say to Mr Corbyn? It is up to Tom to

express his own views. If he is speaking on behalf of those of us

who have concerns, and Tom was at the shadow Cabinet on Friday as

well, I would like to say that he doesn't command the confidence of

the Parliamentary Labour Party. He does command the confidence of those

who voted for him to be leader. I think that is slightly questionable.

I have had quite a lot of people coming to me to say they voted for

him last year but they feel that perhaps they were disappointed by

his lack of enthusiasm for the Remain campaign during the

referendum. You say quite a few, how many? It is difficult to quantify.

It is anecdotal. Ten, 50,000? Quite a lot of people. I have not been

speaking to thousands of people. But a sample of people I knew who were

quite strongly in favour of Jeremy Corbyn. They like Jeremy, they think

he is a man of principle, which years. They like what he stands for.

Here is Boris Johnson. It is clear now that Project Fear is over. There

will not be an emergency budget. People's pensions are safe. The

pound is stable, the markets are stable. It is all good news. Hi saw

a lot of confusion over the weekend about the status of people living in

this country. It is absolutely clear that people from other European

countries who live here have their rights protected. All people want to

see is a system that is fair, impartial and humane to all people

coming from around the world. And also people from around the UK

living in the rest of the EU, will have their rights protected. There

has been confusion in the media. Thanks a lot, folks.

How you going to stand? Mr Johnson, are you going to stand?

How can we have access? Boris Johnson, as he leaves his home this

morning, trying to reassure people, expressing the view that he has seen

a lot of confusion about the status of EU citizens here. That would seem

to be true. He also said Project Fear was over. The markets are

stable, people's pensions are stable. Clearly a lot of work frame

to do. We have just been talking to Kerry McCarthy, who resigned

yesterday as Shadow Environment Minister. She does not think our

leader, Jeremy Corbyn, is strong enough to take the party forward.

Let's speak to Emily Thornberry -- Emily Thornberry, a Jeremy Corbyn

supporter, who has been promoted as a result of these wave of

resignations to, what are you now? Shadow Foreign Secretary.

Congratulations. Thank you. How do you take the views of people like

Kerry McCarthy and many others who have resigned in protest at Jeremy

Corbyn continuing as leader? Kerry is a colleague of mine but Carrie

and I have been friends for decades. We have just come to different

conclusions. My view is that at a time of economic turmoil, when I

think that the Tories have led us into a dark wood, I think that the

government put forward a referendum without a clear idea of what would

happen if the British public voted for Brexit, and they don't know what

to do next. I think we have got the Brexiteers, Laveau hundred and one

ideas. Here we are, they have taken the nation to this place, and now it

is the job of the opposition to step up and to have a vision, and to have

some ideas and to show a bit of leadership. Now is not the time for

the Labour Party to be plunged into turmoil. We have two hold our nerve

and think very carefully for the sake of the country as to what

happens next. It seems to me that we have to be at the table. We have to

be clear about what it is we want for the country. Do you know what?

The people who are going to suffer the most are voters, people who have

only just got their heads above water will be affected most by this

recession I fear will come. Most of the Labour Party at Westminster do

not believe Jeremy Corbyn is the right man to do all of that be heart

of Labour supporters? We will see what the Parliamentary Labour Party

says. The Labour Party is a third of a million people strong. We are

Democratic party. It is for the party as a whole to decide the

leader is. The fact of the matter is that Jeremy Corbyn, in essence, will

be leader of the Labour Party until he decides not to be leader of the

Labour Party. He has full support among members. Does it not bother

you add all that so many Labour MPs at all -- Pinkie is not the right

manager macro he was elected with a mandate of 60%, an extraordinary

endorsement. And I don't believe that there has been... I hear what

Kerry says, that some members are worried. I understand that. But the

vast majority of Labour members want Jeremy to remain as leader. The

reason why is because he may well have a different style, he has a

different approach, he is an honest and straightforward manner. He gave

the European Union seven and a half out of ten, which is actually an

honest reflection of what a lot of people think about Europe. Can I ask

you how it affects him when so many of his Labour colleagues resigned

their positions because they think he is not good enough? It is a

horrible job. You do your best and you get all this nonsense. He thinks

they are ungrateful, the -- does each are Did I say that? He tries

his best and you get all this nonsense. His best is not good

enough, they think. He is the leader of the Labour Party. We should stick

behind him. We should be a good leadership team. We should make sure

that the Labour Party is sticking up for our voters. After the Scottish

referendum, the Labour Party turned in on itself instead of reaching out

to those people who had voted a different way to how the Labour

Party had recommended. That is what we should be doing now, addressing

their concerns and making sure that in these negotiations we are not to

be in a position until nothing happens until October. The country

cannot afford this. We have to be proactive. We have to make sure

their concerns are addressed and not be staring -- staring at. A lot of

people kicked against the establishment in this field. Now

look what we are doing. We're not looking after the interests of the

nation, we are just looking after ourselves and what our next job will

be. And that is not on. I understand what you are saying in

that now was not the time to plunge into civil war. But you are aware

you are. Roughly half the Shadow cabinet have walked out the door,

that is the equivalent of half the England team refusing to take to the

pitch. It is not tenable. You talk about the party members. But at the

end of the day surely we are a parliamentary democracy, which means

elected representatives deride their authority -- derive their authority

from the voters? Not from party members, although they are

important. Isn't that the misjudgements Jeremy Corbyn is

making in assuming his position is unassailable because he has the

backing of party members, when at the end of the day the really

critical thing is Labour voters. It is those people that Labour MPs are

accountable to. That is why they believe Jeremy Corbyn has to go,

because they believe there is no way he can shore up the labour vote and

put them in a position to win the next general election. I don't think

it is like the England team with half of them refusing to go on the

pitch. I think it is a third. And I think it is more like Arsenal. There

have been some pretty good reserves that have come onto the pitch

instead. It will be fine. The next point is, how we are Parliamentary

democracy to of course we are. But the Labour Party at its best is a

movement. We are a movement. We are a third of a million people. And of

course MPs are accountable to voters and to their members, and to their

consciences, and to the party as a whole. But you look at the

doomsayers before the council elections and everyone thought it

was going to be a disaster. Actually, Labour did better than it

had done during the previous parliament. So actually, if you turn

to Labour voters, we won every single mayoral election, including

fantastically, Kerry's Maher in Bristol. -- mayor. We are building

on a strong base. Can Jeremy Corbyn Win a general election if there is

one? Is the party stays together and we put forward a plan that will help

rescue our country from this potential disaster, of course we can

win the election. Kerry McCarthy, can Labour win a general election if

there's held this year, with Jeremy Corbyn as leader? As I said earlier,

the reason I resigned was because I did not have confidence in his

ability to steer us through what, as I said, is the biggest economic and

political crisis this country has faced for a long time. I do think we

need very strong, strategic leadership. I think that is what the

voters are looking for. Let's asked members of the audience.

Some of them are Labour supporters. Jeremy Corbyn as leader, should he

go now? To introduce yourself. My name is Neil. I voted Remain. I have

in the past voted for Labour. I didn't at the last general election

because I did not think they were speaking to me then. I absolutely

think Jeremy Corbyn should go. On the 16th of June, prior to the

referendum, I wrote to my local Labour MP, Meg Hillier, and made it

clear that actually Labour's absence, and particularly Jeremy

Corbyn's absent in this whole debate, has created a vacuum which

has allowed the right to have a voice. I would never support Labour

under Jeremy Corbyn. I am a disaffected 52-year-old that

actually doesn't know where to go on the political landscape. I'm not

going to the right and I'm not going to the left. So who are you speaking

to? I fundamentally disagree with you. This is a bad -- about the

man's ability to be a leader and he does not demonstrate leadership

qualities. I am Alistair and I voted Remain. I think Jeremy Corbyn should

go because he was not prepared to share a platform with Conservative

figures during the referendum campaign. This is a guy who has

shared a platform with figures from a mass, which is a militant militia

group in the Middle East, if the political project whose content is

the destruction of the Jewish people. Yet he could not bring

himself to share a platform with David Cameron, who introduced gay

marriage legislation. He has to go. He does not represent progressive

politics. He is not going to win a general election. It is a fantasy.

More from the audience later. Your views welcome as well.

Over the last few days you may have heard a lot about a divided britain,

a dis-united kingdom following the results

on the European Union referendum, which showed clear divisions

The establishment versus working class.

Jim Reed has been looking at the data.

It was a night of celebration for some. On paper the result looks

tired but on balance that still means an extra 1.3 million people

voted to leave. When you break it down, there were some huge

differences between districts. The most pro-Leave, Boston and links. We

want our independence back. I want to say any more. And we can do it.

Because we're Britain. The most pro-Remain, Lambeth. Londoners run

by immigrants. For example, people that are English and they don't want

to do such jobs as cleaning for manual labour, they are done by the

immigrants. Overall, London went firmly Remain, as did every part of

Scotland and most of Northern Ireland. For a Leave, the vote

Willie stacked up in areas like the West Midlands and Yorkshire, with

Remain supporters harder to find. A lot has been made about age

difference. The young were much more likely to vote stay in the EU. I

don't think it is -- has done my generation any good. We have to live

with these consequences. I obviously have a lot of foreign friends, but I

think it will affect all young people for years to come across. As

voters got older, so there were more likely to go Leave. Lovely. We have

got what we wanted. I remember the old days. We don't like being bossed

about. Early data suggests those young people were much less likely

to actually vote. Analysis shows just 36% of 18 to 24-year-olds were

likely to go to the polling station. We can see the districts with the

highest number of overly 65s saw the highest turnout last week. Then

there is the question of jobs and wealth. Here it is harder to come to

conclusions, but districts with higher sal ves tended to vote for

Remainment there were other factors in play and there are exceptions to

the rule. The divisions feel

particularly pronounced Let's just recap

some of those facts. There's no official breakdown yet,

but it's estimated that 75% of 18 to 24-yea- olds voted Remain,

but only 34% of that age group Compare that with over 65s,

where turnout was estimated at 83% - It's thought that if the same

percentage of young people had voted as over 65s did, the UK

would still be in the EU. Broadly speaking, lots of Remain

young voters feel the older generation have robbed

them of their future. So let's discuss that

further with Sophie Barnes, Alexandra D'Sa and Ryan Synnott,

who are all under 25 and voted to remain as part

of the European Union. Paul Austin, Ann Steadman and Daniel

Hodson all voted to leave. Welcome all of you. Thank you for

coming on the programme. I would like you three, Alexandra, Sophie

and Ryan to tell Ann, Paul and Daniel what you think about what

happened. I think it was a massive risk to take. We were discussing

this before. I feel angry and let down actually that the majority of

older people over 65 voted to Leave. Look a the state we're in now. We're

facing the dissolution of the Conservatives and the Labour Party

are in disarray. The pound fell to biggest low since 1985 and a spike

in racism on the streets. I myself, have experienced and I think it was

a massive gamble. OK. Daniel how do you respond? I understand that in a

way because I voted to Remain in 1975, but I've learned that the EU

is not all that it is cracked up to be. I learned that it is

undemocratic. I've learned that it is costly. That it is a massive

imposition on the British economy... But the people who have to live with

the decision are these people for decades to come. I think everyone is

entitled to vote. It has been a democratic process, but we have had

the experience of something change from being a viable, sensible

economic project, a free trade zone to a political project which created

the problems. How do you respond to that, Sophie? You have to remember

we are coming from a generation that we don't know anything other than

the EU. I've graduated from a university where ?15 million has

been pumped from the European Union into Cardiff University. A lot of my

higher education has come from that funding. Picking up on your point

about the democratic voting process. That's important to remember, I like

these guys, we are now leaving the European Union, but at the same time

I don't agree with the way that people are taking to social media to

attack the older generation because you have to remember everybody

voted, regardless of which side for different reasons, so my reasons

maybe difference to yours and so on. I don't think it is right to attack.

Ryan what would you say to Paul and Ann. Ryan you're 25, and Ann is 84,

Paul is 54. Do talk to them. I would say that it is a huge risk taken on

behalf of the older generation for the younger generation. I think if

you look at this as a, I'm looking at the long-term, potentially what

is going to happen, we know that we're out of the EU now. We know...

Are you cross well them? A little bit, yeah. As the younger generation

we are going to have to pick up the baton if anything goes wrong. Do you

accept that? Good morning to everyone in the studio there. First

of all, we all have the right to vote. I'm glad that the young lady

before made a point about that. I'm 54. I hope to have at least another

15 to 20 years of working inn me actually by the way, but I have a

young son who is only 12 years and I believe I was also voting for his

future. I understand the younger generation, 25 and above feel that

they are going to be carrying the mantle, but let's hope there is

wisdom behind you in your parents and grandparents that can guide you

knew the next few years and the Government that we have that will

emerge from this, will have the right answers going forward. I feel

there are answers not being given to us, but I want to reassure the

younger generation, if that's what you want to call them, that there is

a great future. Maybe it will be down to fortune and maybe they will

make changes, but they will have decisions that they have to make. We

have made some today, but they will have choices through voting for

different governments. Let me bring in Ann. What to you say to the

younger generation? Well, my opinion is for a long time we've been living

in a very undemocratic way. I'm both the older generation, that's why

they brought me in our area to speak and I sat on the fence for quite a

while listening to the debate on one side and the other and frankly, I

was horrified at the way it was conducted because if either party

came up with an idea, immediately it was a knee jerk reaction and I don't

think that's the way to handle political matters. I'm not of the

political field at all. Ann, how do you respond to Ryan's point. He says

it was a risk, he voted Remain, he thinks leaving is a risk and if

things go wrong, it will be this generation, Ryan, Alexandra and

Sophie who will have to pick up the baton and try and works things out?

Yes, possibly, but maybe either way, I think we were in for a rough ride.

And you know, I come from the arts world and we're used to paetion and

troughs and I do think generally, I've got every sympathy for young

people. I have worked with them most of them my life, but I think there

is enormous panic and that's being made worse in a number of areas and

what I would like to see is a meeting together of the political

parties and maybe there could be a cross-party Government and please

God that there will be a leader that will come out of this. I don't know

if you noticed on Friday morning, Boris Johnson directly addressed

young people. He and today, as he writes in the Daily Telegraph, he

says, "British people will still be able to go and work in the EU, to

live, to travel, to study, to buy homes. Will still have access to the

single market." So what's going to change, Boris? Are you reassured?

No, I'm not, what was the point in having a referendum if nothing is

going to change. Are we talking about a Norway model where they pay

85% of what we pay anyway and nothing will change. I come from the

arts as well as Ann and I don't know what's going to happen to my future.

I'm an actor, will I have the same opportunities? Will I be as

desirable as competitive in that market? Paul, I gather your son

works in the City at JP Morgan and he is upset with I think you and his

mum? Yes, he is. He is very upset. He is only 30 years old. He had

quite a real set to with his mother over the fact that we voted to

leave. He believes we don't understand the economy. He is

accusing of us almost helping to lose his job if the likes of JP

Morgan or the banks threat tonne move out of the country as they have

done in the papers in the last few days and we're trying to reassure

him that, you know, he can forge his own future when another Government

comes out. You can vote for who you want as you go forward. He keeps

telling us we don't know about the economy. London is the centre of all

this and basically, everybody over 50 didn't have a clue of what we

were talking about. That's their attitude and him and mum are

fighting about that and I hope he will realise there will be a merging

ideas and great possibilities coming from this debate.

A final point to Sophie and Alexandra and Ryan, if more young

people voted, we might be in a different position. A third of 18 to

4-year-olds turned out to vote. Where were they? I think they were

very confused. I don't think the scaremongering... Is that enough of

a reason not to vote because you're confused? It was easy to get

confused. There was nobody just addressing the hard facts without

any form of swaying to either side of the opinion and the fact that

Boris called it Project Fear says it all for me. Protect Fear hasn't come

to materialise, that's what he was saying? Younger people tend not to

vote in general elections and what not and it is disappointing as a

young person who is passionate about voting and passionate about how our

economy is going to go forward as in a political sense that young people

didn't turn out to vote. A lot of young people were very confused over

the issues... A lot of middle-aged and older people were confused as

well. Project Fear is over, that's what Boris Johnson said this

morning. There was another Project Fear and it was Nigel Farage's

Project Fear. I don't think that's over. That will have Royal Mailify

cautions for decades to come actually. You're talking about

potential racist incidents which we will talk more about later in the

programme. Thank you for coming on the programme, all of you. Thank

you, I appreciate your time. Paul, I hope your son and your wife and his

mum make tup. I really do. Thank you. Cheers.

Boris Johnson has said this morning there is no great rush to leave the

European Union. That in itself could annoy some Leave voters. Some say

though that if there is a quick general election, a snap general

election, a winning pro-EU party could ignore the referendum vote to

leave complete leur. Some MPs are calling for a second referendum

anyway. Lord Heseltine argued that one would be needed to ratify any

new deal reached with Brussels. He says the leaders of the Leave

campaign must be put in charge of negotiating fresh terms for the UK.

The negotiations will produce quite unacceptable deal for this country

and the House of Commons will then say no, we can't accept that. The

only way you can then deal with that is to have either a general election

or another referendum and interestingly enough, a couple of

months ago, Nigel Farage explicitly said that it was a 52%, 48%

referendum result there would need to be another referendum. Now, he

was anticipating losing, but the same facts remain, there have to be

another constitution affirmation of the deal.

How likely is any of that? Norman Smith can tell us more. Any chance

this referendum vote could be undone?

Well, it is a long shot, but it is far from impossible. You look at the

sort of language now emerbleging from the Brexit camp, much more

cautious about curbing immigration. Suggesting we may have to be part of

that single market, praising the governor of the Bank of England and

it is worth noting Boris Johnson himself, at the very start of this

whole process, he was the one who floated this idea of a second

referendum to try and get a better deal so you say, we want to leave

and then you go back to Brussels to get a better deal and then you put

that to the British people and you've got the difficulties around

Nicola Sturgeon, will she put a spoke in the wheels to stop us

invoking Article 50? We've got the German Government saying no need to

rush, Britain take your time. All that does not mean it is not going

to happen, but it suggests to me there is still potential wriggle

room and frankly politics is in such a state of flux I think it would be

a very brave person to suggest that a second referendum is absolutely

under no circumstances not going to happen.

Thank you very much, Norman. Now the weather. Here is John.

Thanks, Victoria. It is dry in Downing Street at the moment. Most

of us will have a reasonable day today. Enjoy it because the rest of

the week doesn't look rosy of the a few showers today across the north

western parts of the UK especially the west of Scotland, but the

further south and east you go, the drier and the brighter and the

sunnier. It will feel pleasant enough, out of the wind and in the

sunshine, it will not feel too bad. A full evening's play I fancy as

well if you're spectating or playing indeed.

As we head to tomorrow change is a foot, it may start off dry and

bright, but the rain will arrive. The rain will spread eastwards

through the second half of the day. Some heavy rain too. Scotland

probably staying with sunshine and showers. A cool one. That sets the

scene for the rest of the week. We're all going to see wLet at

times. It will feel cool with that blustery wind. Yes, there will be

sunshine, but frankly, it will not feel like the middle of summer.

Victoria. Hello it's ten o'clock,

it's June 27th. I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

welcome to the programme if you've "Open for business" -

the Chancellor tries to calm the economic waters in the midst

of political chaos. Jeremy Corbyn is making

appointments as fast as he can, as he tries to keep pace

with the resignations I don't think he is the right person

to lead us through the current situation. If I didn't have

confidence in him, it would be wrong to sit around the shadow Cabinet

table pretending added. I think the vast majority of Labour members want

Jeremy to remain. He is an honest and straightforward man. As Cabinet

ministers meet at Downing Street, Mr Cameron's aides admit there is no

get Boris campaign to stop them becoming leader as Mr Johnson says,

no need to panic. It is very good news that the Chancellor has said

some reassuring things to the markets. It is clear now that

Project Fear is over. There will not be a Emergency Budget, people's

pensions are safe. We'll get reaction from our audience

of voters. Give us one word to describe what you are thinking this

morning. Optimistic. Optimistic. Despair. We will hear more later.

Here's Joanna Gosling in the BBC Newsroom

The Chancellor George Osborne has made his first address

since the referendum decision to leave the European Union.

He said he wanted to reassure people that the British economy

Mr Osborne said Britain was open for business,

and he didn't want the UK to turn its back on Europe.

Our economy is about as strong as it could be to confront the challenge

our country now faces. And that challenge is clear. On Thursday, the

people of the United Kingdom voted to leave the European Union. That is

not the outcome I wanted or that I threw everything into campaigning

for. But Parliament agreed that there are issues of such

constitutional significance that they cannot solely be left to

politicians and must be determined by the people in a referendum. Share

prices have remained volatile. The FTSE 100 index was down 0.4%. The

decline was not as bad as some had feared. Banks were badly hit, with

Royal Bank of Scotland down nearly 9%.

One of the leading figures in the campaign for Brexit,

Boris Johnson, has said there's no "great rush" to leave

He says he's reassured by the Chancellor's words.

Writing in The Telegraph, Mr Johnson says he still believes

Britain will be able to retain access to the single market,

I think it is very good news that the Chancellor has said some

reassuring things to the markets and it is clear now that Project Fear is

over. There is not going to be an Emergency Budget. People's pensions

are safe. The pound is stable. The market are stable. I have seen a lot

of confusion over the weekend about the status of people living in this

country. It is absolutely clear that people from other European countries

living here have their rights protected.

The Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn is under intense pressure this

morning as more MPs resign from his top team.

Labour's deputy leader Tom Watson has returned from Glastonbury

and will meet Mr Corbyn today to discuss "the way forward",

after the revolt by what's now 16, and counting,

They're angry at what they say was their leader's weak performance

European leaders are to hold a series of meetings

to discus their response to the referendum result.

The German Chancellor, Angela Merkel, will meet

the French President, Francois Hollande, and the Italian

Prime Minister, Matteo Renzi, in Berlin this evening.

Mrs Merkel and Mr Hollande will also have separate

meetings with the President of the European Council,

Ten people remain in hospital after a rollercoaster derailed

and crashed at a theme park in Motherwell in North Lanarkshire.

Eight children are among those injured, three of them are said

The park's owners say they're co-operating with an investigation

That is a summary of the latest news.

More at half-past. Another resignation for Jeremy Corbyn to

deal with. This one is the shadow Welsh secretary, Nia Griffith. She

is to meet Jeremy Corbyn to ask him to step down as leader -- Labour

leader. If he refuses, she is expected to resign from the Shadow

Cabinet. She believes she cannot serve under a leader she does not

have confidence in. I make that 17 now from Jeremy Corbyn's top team in

just over 24 hours. Thank you. The news we are hearing

here is that Raheem Sterling is due to play for England tonight in a

game that is when or Roy Hodgson. They are playing the lowest ranked

team in this competition for a place in the quarterfinals. The game is

being played in the south coast, in knees. Most people predict an

England victory but Roy Hodgson's team have struggled in front of goal

so far in this tournament. The manager is not too concerned and

Wayne Rooney is confident as well. I think the size of the country is a

number. They put the same amount of players on the pitch as we do. It is

a fair game in that respect. We hope we can go out and win. We have to

play our game, not really concentrate or worry about what I

are going to do. If we do that, we are confident we can win the game.

One piece of football news away from the Euros, it looks as though Lionel

Messi's International career is over. He announced his retirement

after Argentina lost to chilly in the final of the Copa America. His

team were beaten on penalties. Messi missed his own spot kick and is

quoted as saying that for him the national team is over. It was a hard

moment for him and the team, he said. It is difficult to say but it

is over with the Argentina team. Lionel Messi has announced his

international retirement. At 29, he may have a rethink. Tory.

Good morning. A couple of messages from people who want to talk about

Jeremy Corbyn. Sophie says, Corbynista go. His referendum

campaign was weak and lacked heart. Not what you need as a leader. The

referendum has shown the working classes need a leader -- leader in

labour who will put their problems first. If Corkman cannot unite the

Labour Party, we might as well and the Conservatives a larger majority

in government. -- Corbyn. So in Downing Street

the Conservative party cabinet are meeting for the first time

since last weeks historic vote taking the UK out

of the European Union. Amidst the group are several people

already plotting to to be the next Conservative party leader -

and therefore the next It's without doubt

the biggest job in politics. Here are the runners and riders

for the next Conservative Party leader and that follows,

the next Prime Minister Liam Fox is one of the most

prominent Leave supporters. The former GP came a close third

in the last leadership contest though his Cabinet career was cut

short after a lobbying scandal. Well, I am not going to make any

decision about that until we have had a bit of a rest over

the weekend, a chance to talk to our colleagues, obviously

I wouldn't rule anything out. Stephen Crabb is the current Work

and Penions Secretary. At 43, he is the least experienced

of the main contenders and his pro-Remain views

could count against him. England and Wales just haven't

trusted the messages that we've been trying very hard to communicate

about why staying a part of the single market

is so important. His background, though,

might go in his favour. Raised by a single mum

on a council estate in Wales. David Cameron once called him

the Russell Crowe of politics... At 8-1, another unfamiliar

face to most people. Andrea Leadsom is the current

Energy Minister, former banker was one of the stars

of the League campaign, with measured appearances

in the media. Here at the BBC's Wembley debate

in front of thousands. And we simply cannot afford it,

we need to take back control and Vote Leave

on Thursday. The most prominent Remain

supporter in the top five, the Home Secretary Theresa May has

a low-profile campaign, something She has already said to be speaking

to MPs about a possible I completely understand why people

are concerned about immigration, there's no silver bullet,

no one thing you can do that's suddenly going to deal

with all the problems and concerns people have over immigration

and that includes leaving the EU. It's not an exaggeration to say

Boris Johnson might well have won And take back control

I believe that this Thursday will be our country's

independence day. The former Mayor of London is one

of the most familiar faces Who is going to be Britain's

next Primes Minister? And we all know it's

going to be you, Boris! He is a contemporary

of David Cameron at Eton and Oxford, but he has never held a senior

Cabinet position and he just might have enough enemies

in the party that are rival Let's talk to two Conservatives

who were on opposing sides Kwasi Kwarteng, who voted for the UK

to leave the EU, is MP And Maria Miller is

MP for Basingstoke. The next PM Michael Britain will be

voted for by Conservative party members. -- Prime Minister row. That

is what happened in 2007. When Gordon Brown took over there was not

even a vote among the Labour Party. That is what happens when we have a

Prime Minister coo resigns before a general election. There is a caucus

within the party to decide who the party leader is. Will their bit --

shouldn't there be a general election shortly after you elect a

leader? Speaking as an MP, I am in favour of the idea that the new

Prime Minister should seek a national mandate. That is up to the

person chosen. Who are you backing? I have not quite made up my mind but

I am certain that I feel the next Prime Minister should be committed

to Brexit. After all, Brexit is the reason we are here in the first

place. Who are you considering? I think Michael Gove is a very good

candidate. Andrea Leadsom is very good. And I think Boris Johnson is

obviously a strong candidate. If he is on the ballot paper in the end,

when it goes out to the grassroots Tory members, he is the favourite,

surely? Your betting suggested he is. It is not his fault he is

popular. It is not a bad thing to be popular. I think he is in a strong

position. Maria Miller, do you agree with quasi-that the next leader of

the Tory party needs to be a Brexiteer? The next leader has not

only God to bring the Conservative Party together but the country

together. Can Brexiteers do that? I think it needs to be somebody who

has the experience to set up the table with Angela Merkel and

negotiate a great settlement for Britain. Who has got the experience

to do that? I campaigned to remain in the EU. But now we are where we

are, we need the best person. We have been in government for six

years. Unlike the last time we chose a leader for our party, there were a

lot of people just emerging. We have a range of people with the

experience to take on people like Angela Merkel and get the best deal

for our country, and make sure we can reach out to young people, who

still very disenfranchised by this result. Speaking as the mother of

two youngsters who were looking to study abroad, we have got to make

sure that we reach out to those young people and we have an

effective way of saying they are part of Britain's future. Can you

give me a name? People like Andrea Leadsom timid of the campaign

extremely well. You would favour her despite her being on the other side

of the argument? I think that is important. We should not pigeon hole

ourselves based on how we campaigned. I worked with Boris

Johnson in opposition. He has got a powerful intellect. I think the

question that parliamentarians will be asking themselves is, does he

have the ability to sit at the table with a leader like Angela Merkel are

any of the EU leaders and get the best deal for Britain and have

command of the detailed? I think he does. He was mayor of London for

eight years. That was a significant role. In other countries we have

seen many mayors rise to become heads of state.

This is from Nicola Sturgeon, "Indeed, Boris", "Indeed, Boris,

project farce has just begun and you are largely responsible." Nicola

Sturgeon is not really a friend of the United Kingdom. She wants to

break tupment so let's just establish that. I think Boris fought

a they good campaign and people talk about the 16 million voters who

voted for Remain, but they forget that 17 million voted to Leave and

we have a democracy. We all knew what the rules of the referendum

would be. We knew it would be one referendum it is not the best of

three as someone observed and we have got to stick to the majority

decision. I'm sure you read what Boris Johnson has written in The

Telegraph today. The tone does seem quite different to some of the

things he was saying during the Leave campaign. For example, today,

he is saying first of all, there is no great rush to leave the European

Union. British people will still be able to go and work in the EU, to

live, to travel, to study, to buy homes, to settle. There will

continue to be free trade and access to the single market. Presumably it

means some level of free movement of people? It struck me that many

people said perhaps things in the heat of the debate and the heat of

the election campaign that they are going to have to explain. For me, I

want to have somebody that's going to be leading the country forward,

who can bring people from all sides together. I mean I think the Leave

campaign was a broad coalition of views which maybe, you know, you can

explain more, but we need to make sure we have somebody leading us

that can bring people together and very importantly, keep our United

Kingdom together as well. What do you make of this piece

today? It was interesting ideas, but the one thing people have got to

remember... Does the tone feel very different to how Boris Johnson was

in the campaign? The one thing Maria said it was a broad coalition. 17

million people, that's more than any single election in British history.

So there is lots and lots of views. Boris as a journalist was setting

out his position. But he is not Prime Minister, it is only when we

change the the Prime Minister and we get a new Government that we can

push forward with this agenda. Let's have a debate but I think people are

rushed into thinking we have the answers now of the and what he said

that I agree with is there is no rush. We've got the old Prime

Minister, we're not going to have a new Prime Minister for several

weeks. Even if we invoked Article 50 tomorrow it would take two years. It

is within our power to invoke Article 50. We have been in this

institution for 43 years, so it might take a bit of time to unwind

it and to leave it. Do you think there is any bottling it going on in

terms of triggering Article 50? Before the campaign everybody on

both sides, well, we will have to trigger it immediately... No, I

never said that. Not you, the main leaders of both campaigns. Now,

we're here, they're saying, "There is no rush." What is important is

Britain has firm leadership. We need to have that leadership in place and

in place swiftly and that's the important first step and that

individual can take on the negotiations. This isn't going to be

the Prime Minister who is negotiating our exit of the EU. It

will be the person who is leading our country and I want to see

somebody in police who will take forward David Cameron's one nation

approach to the Conservative Party. Somebody who can take forward his

approach to equality and diversity which he has done so successfully. I

don't know how you can say one nation with a straight face bearing

in mind where we are today in this country. Well, one nation approach

to Conservative Party absolutely. In terms of equal marriage and making

sure that we have a long-term future for our NHS and reform of the

education system. Norman is at Westminster. He would like to talk

towel. Hello Norman. I wanted to put this thought to you. We talked about

the single market which now Boris Johnson says, you know, we will get

access to, but you know, certainly the language he is dressing it up

around how you will be able to live and work and that suggests you will

be part of the single market. I was struck at the tone in the Daily

Telegraph saying it wasn't the main issue in the referendum and that the

day after Philip Hammond said there would have to be compromise on

freedom of involvement and the governor of the Bank of England who

was a hate figure for many on the Brexit side, now Boris Johnson says

he is doing a superb job and offering an olive branch to George

Osborne saying the economy is in safe hands. It seems to me, we are

seeing Boris Johnson having to put to one side some of the more sort of

exuberant aspirations and ambitions that he articulated during the

referendum campaign and I wonder whether we are going to see a bit of

back pedalling? I wonder what your take is on that? Boris is a

journalist as well as a politician, he has a weekly column. Do I agree

with everything he said? No, I don't. I think it is premature

frankly to be making decisions and comments about this. He is not even

the Prime Minister. He is not even in the Government. He is in the

political Cabinet. He holds no office. We already have a Prime

Minister. We already have a Foreign Secretary. We already have a

Chancellor. Now, when the new Government emerges, we will have a

much clearer idea of what the direction will be, but for him and

for people to expect absolute cast-iron clarity and cast-iron

definition about a process which would take two, at least two, and

possibly four years is unrealistic. We were in this thing for 43 years.

You can't imagine that u you know, in a week we will have a new dispen

ration, it will take time and we have to be thoughtful and measured

and deliberate about it. You will know there are... Go on, Norman.

There are people at Westminster who think it is reality time for Boris

Johnson. That he has come out with the big bold slogans and now he is

having to think crikey what do I do? That's why we are seeing the more

mellow, more pragmatic response. That's why when they think who is

going to lead the country next, we have to think about the person who

does bring the country together. Whether it is the north or the

south, people have taken different things out of the referendum

campaign and we have got to make sure whatever settlement we have got

everyone can buy in that. Boris Johnson does quote the German

business institute. He says, "The German equivalent of the Crib, the

BDI has reminded us there will continue to be free trade and access

to the single market." The German business institute has denied a

claim by Mr Johnson that it said Britain would retain access to the

single market after a Brexit. I think what happened, I remember this

during the campaign, it was asked to me a number of times. The chairman

or whatever the head of the BDI said that it would be mad, I think, was

his phrase or it would be very damaging for Germany not to be able

to have some sort of Free Trade Agreement with Britain. OK. I'm

going to pause there. I want to hear from voters in terms of your views

on the next leader of the Conservative Party and therefore,

the next Prime Minister of this country. Who do you want? Who don't

you want? Who do you want? It should be Boris Johnson in my opinion. OK.

And someone from the other side who is not with him from the Leave

campaign from the Tory Party. Over there. I would like to see Boris

Johnson because I think he has got enough support from the people and I

think the people do back him... You are a Remainer. You voted Remain?

Yes. About what about here? I wouldn't want to see Boris Johnson

being the next Prime Minister and leader of the Tory Party, I don't

think he has much experience and he is responsible for the toxic

rhetoric around immigration which has been really damaging. More from

our voters in the last half an hour in the programme. Thank you for

coming on the programme, thank you. Has there been an increase in racist

abuse since the referendum result? If so, is there any link to the fact

that the campaign focussed on "taking back control"

of our country and produced Over the past couple of days we have

seen people share stories of racial In Huntingdon in Cambridgeshire,

there have been reports that signs saying, "Leave the UK.

No more Polish vermin" have been left outside primary schools

and pushed through letter boxes. One tweet says a Muslim girl

was targeted in Birmingham, with a group of lads shouting,

"get out, we voted Leave". Police in Hammersmith in West London

have increased patrols after racist graffiti was found scrawled

on a Polish Cultural Centre Incidents were even being reported

at schools. This man says that a message

was found at his daughters school telling a pupil to "go

back to Romania". Here's a picture

from Newcastle showing a banner with the words "stop immigration,

start repatriation". There are reports of a stand-off

between far-right demonstrators and a group defending refugees

at a demo in the city This man tweets that a Sikh friend

working in the NHS was asked by a patient why he hadn't yet

left the UK. Let's talk now to Iman Etta,

Deputy Director from Tell Mama, an organisation that monitors

Islamophobic attacks. In the past 48 hours her team has

dealt with a string of "alleged reports of racist incidents",

believed to have been fuelled Ben Pantelimon, 29, a Romanian

landscape architect living in the UK and he experienced racist abuse

yesterday in London close John O'Connell is a spokesperson

for Far Right Watch. Shazia Awan, a former

Welsh Conservative candidate and remain campaigner

who was told to pack her bags and go home after she expressed

disappointment in the leave result. Right, tell me first of all what you

have been monitoring? Reports you have been receiving. So we have been

receiving 14 incidents so far and more coming this this morning. 14?

And more coming in this morning of racist and anti-Muslim incidents,

statements that have come in which as you just mentioned, we have voted

you out, you're not wanted here. You should be kicked out. Obviously

these are related to the referendum. One woman who reported to us said

the referendum has given bigots the, it empowered them to vocalise even

further their hate. OK. Not to be dismissed, but 14 is a very small

number, would you accept that? Within 48 hours, that's a spark and

that's a spark that's related to the referendum. The words are used are

related directly to the referendum. Absolutely. Absolutely. Ben, what

happened to you? Good morning, first of all. I was on my street going to

church with my sister and her fee Fansy. While we were passing by a

group of Englishmen, I suppose -- Fiance. I told my sister, not not

say anything, that's not attract attention, because they had an

English flag, the one with the St George Cross, once we passed them

they started waving the flag and shouting, "We voted you out. Go home

you immigrants." ." Did you react? No, we just carried on. What

happened to you Various racist abuse. I got home from the count on

Friday, I lost track of my days. I got home from the count and I was

disappointed to hear that David Cameron was going to be resigning as

leader and I got tweets saying, "Pack your bags, you're not welcome

here." I have not just had one, I have had an array of racial abuse.

At this point I would urge people to report it to the police because only

by reporting these bigots can we root them out. I would like to read

you an e-mail I got which I found particularly worrying because one of

these bigots had gone to the trouble of finding my personal details. It

reads, "You are not now nor will you ever be Welsh. Being born in Wales

has nothing to do with being Welsh. I cannot wait to send you and at

anti-white garbage that you stand for back to the Third World dump

thaw came from along with some other colourful language." That's

unacceptable. This is now a police matter. I have personally reported

eight people to South Wales Police up and down the country and I would

urge everybody to do the same at this point. I want to ask I, do you

think that is directly related to the result, the outcome, a Leave

vote is it to do with the nature tft campaign from the Leave side or

both? Having been involved in the campaign for Stronger In, I felt

this about four weeks ago when I was out in Cardiff and I was talking to

a woman would happened to be happened, neither here nor there and

somebody used the N word, shouted it in the street. Now, Boris Johnson,

Michael Gove and their alliance with Nigel Farage and taking donations

from the BNP have caused this. Boris Johnson is not fit to be leader of

the Conservative Party. Let's remember he is the same man that

called Sadiq Khan dangerous, too dangerous to lead London whatever

his real views, that's what he said. I would suggest Boris Johnson is too

dangerous to be leading of the Conservative Party. He has caused

this and the blame lies directly at him. OK. Let me bring in some other

guests. I have no idea if there were any donations from the BNP to the

Leave side. That would be up to them to let us know if it was true or

not. John O'Connell, you are from the organisation Far-right Watch,

what do you make of the spike? We were trying to ascertain whether it

was a spike or a step change for the long-term. You spoke about 14 being

a relatively small number. We logged and recorded over 90 incidents on

social media in the last three days. We were trying to find... Is that

any different from normal racist tweets on social media when we are

out of a referendum campaign? That's what they are trying to ascertain.

These range from verbal abuse up to until violence and broken bones and

blood. So and universally across the country,

there seems to be a step change. We don't know whether it is a

short-term spike or a long-term step change which concerns us. The

question you asked the young lady about what she put it down

violent to anybody that's got a different skin colour or faith or

nationality, even if those nations are not in the EU, even if they are

Asian nations, far east nations. Would it have any impact on EU? Not

for the moment. Have you experienced racist abuse before? Yes I have. I

have one or two examples. I lost a contract because one of the managers

supervising the contract... I will, grow right back to you. Let's go to

Norman. What is happening? Well, on the Labour front, I am told that Tom

Watson, following his meeting with Jeremy Corbyn, has told Mr Corbyn

that the Parliamentary party has no confidence in him and he should

resign. This matters because Tom Watson is a pivotal big beast within

the party. He is deputy leader. He has his own mandate. He was elected

by party members. What he does could be absolutely critical in

determining which way it goes. He has in effect thrown his weight

behind Mr Corbyn's critics, lined up with them and told Jeremy Corbyn he

has to go. That could be a decisive moment in this tussle. A lot of

people were looking to Tom Watson. He was in Glastonbury yesterday. He

was out of the loop. He has rushed back to Westminster. He has now told

Jeremy Corbyn, you have to go. Does that mean Mr Corbyn will go? No,

doesn't. Talking to those around Mr Corbyn, they are adamant he has the

authority to remain because he was voted in overwhelmingly by party

members. We have seen a Corbyn fightback. He has replaced all those

shadow cabinet members who walked. He simply putting other members. He

has filled the shadow cabinet with his own people, young, die-hard

Corbyn MPs. My sense is he is hunkering down and is going to try

to tough this out. But you have to say, the pendulum seems to be moving

against him. I have lost count of family resignations there have been.

Tom Watson is a pivotal moment. The next thing to watch are the trade

unions. Yesterday we had Len McCluskey basically saying to Mr

Corbyn's critics, bring it on. You think you can topple him? Let's CFU

can. What is going to really determine things is where do the

other key union leaders go? Do they line up behind Mr Corbyn? If they

do, then dislodging Mr Corbyn might be very difficult. One final thing,

watch what left-wing MPs do. If any of Mr Corbyn's natural sympathisers

starts to run away from him, he is in trouble. Norman Smith. Let's get

reaction from our voters in the studio. They are absorbing these

fast-moving events and have been since the result on Friday morning,

presumably. The deputy leader of the Labour Party has told the Labour

leader Jeremy Corbyn he has to go. What do you think? I think it is

very sad because I thought Jeremy Corbyn's was Labour's only chance of

salvation. He has gone back to Labour's routes, which would appeal

to a lot of people. I think he was their only hope. To see division in

the Labour Party is very sad. I think the Labour Party will have to

split into two different parties. The only thing that can come from

this is a separate movement led by Corbyn and a new party. I think he

is a stain on the history of the British Labour movement. His views

are totally out of sync. Do you think it will make a difference now

that Tom Watson has said, however much I respect you, you have to go?

This is fascinating. Jeremy Corbyn comes from a part of British

politics that does not care about Parliamentary democracy. He thinks

that Parliament is not the instrument through which social

change can be achieved. He think it is through the wider Labour

movement, the unions, the hard left etc. He thinks that is not where

change comes. He is wrong. I'm interested in this argument. The

issue will be about where the membership stands. If the membership

continue to support Jeremy Corbyn, there is a potential massive split

for the Labour Party. The membership is only 300,000, 400,000. That is

not enough to get the Deborah party elected. That is what we need to do

to move Ford. I am a former Labour supporter. Who is the person in the

Labour Party who could potentially be that next leader who can be a

leader and has the skills? And who could pull back those Labour voters

who voted leave our voted Ukip in the local elections, particularly

from the north of England, and could attract middle England? I think

somebody like Stephen Kinnock. There has to be a fresh, energetic,

dynamic person with a vision, clearly with a skill to bring us

through these difficult times. I think it is a real shame that at a

time when we need both sets of parties to come together to sort out

negotiations with the EU, we are seeing that both parties are trying

to scramble to save themselves and they are in disarray. It would be a

shame that Jeremy Corbyn -- if Jeremy Corbyn stepped down. To see

him standing again, I think he would probably win again. That is

pointless. More than a second. Let's talk about Scotland.

Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has suggested

that the Scottish Parliament could try to block

As you know, Scotland backed remain despite a UK wide vote to leave.

Let's speak to Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh from the SNP party

who was "heartbroken" when the United Kingdom decided

to leave the European Union, and Professor Robert Hazell

who believes it is a far-fetched suggestion that the Scottish

Parliament might somehow block Brexit.

Welcome both. Would Scotland defy the will of 17 million people across

the UK who voted to leave the EU? Lie let's set the record straight.

The First Minister did not say she would block the vote because she is

not in a position to do so. Neither is their legislation that allows us

to do that. She said she would ask Parliament for a legislative consent

and it is not in Scotland's interest to leave the EU? You would accept

that the person elected to act in the best interest of Scotland would

do what is best for Scotland. She is engaging with everybody and has

wasted no time in doing that. While Boris was playing cricket, she was

busy doing the important business of leading her country. In terms of

legislative consent motion, that will come from the entirety of the

Scottish parliament. Do you think it is feasible that the Scottish

parliament really could, if it voted that way, try to block Britain's

exit? They can withhold consent. They cannot block Britain's exit. It

is then up to the UK Parliament as to whether it wants to recognise

that or not. It is symbolic? The interesting thing about this one

nation politics is where Scotland stands in that? Nicola Sturgeon gave

the Prime Minister the opportunity to look at things from different

perspectives. If we are going to exit from the EU, surely the

constituent countries should vote in that manner. Is it far-fetched that

the Scottish parliament could somehow withhold consent? It is

certainly within the powers of the Scottish Parliament to withhold

consent. But I agree with Tasmania, it would not necessarily block

Brexit. That is far-fetched. It is up to the UK government and

parliament to decide what it wants to do. It is within the power of the

Westminster Parliament to override the Scottish parliament. That is

very clear. I am so sorry, back to Downing Street. What is happening?

Let's finesse things a little bit. Mr Corbyn's people are adamant that

Tom Watson did not say Mr Corbyn had to quit. He did say that Mr Corbyn

had lost the confidence of the PLP and it was up to Mr Corbyn to decide

what he wanted to do. He cautioned him it would be a bruising

leadership contest. Tom Watson clearly setting out the gravity of

the issue, saying he has lost the confidence of the PLP but not

pulling the trigger and saying, you have to go. He said it was up to him

to decide what to do. Team Corbyn saying that Tom Watson did not say,

you must quit. It is one notch down from Tom Watson actually demanding

he goes. But of course what Tom Watson has not done is line up

behind all of those people who have been backing Mr Corbyn, saying, you

have lost the confidence of the Parliamentary party.

Professor Hazell, do carry on. If the Scottish parliament does

withhold legislative consent, let's be clear of what it might withhold

consent from. Under the Scotland act, there is a requirement that

when the parliament itself passes laws, all of its laws must comply

with EU law. And if the UK leaves the EU, then the UK Parliament is

part of the manor -- as part of the mammoth tidying up exercise,

removing EU law from all its legislation, would want to remove

that requirement in relation to the powers of the Scottish parliament.

But if the Scottish Parliament says, no, we do not consent, one other

thing the UK government could do is simply say, OK, if you want to carry

on on a voluntary basis complain with EU law, we will respect your

wishes. That is interesting. This is a matter entirely for the Scottish

Parliament and the First Minister will be making a statement tomorrow.

Scotland, according to what I think Nicola Sturgeon was saying, you do

not want to leave the EU and have two rejoin. You want to stake your

macro We campaign for the entirety of the EU to remain in the EU. --

campaign. We should respect the democratic exercise. Scotland's

position is unique. Most people voted to remain. It is incumbent on

the First Minister to do whatever she can to ensure that the will of

the Scottish people is recognised. That is why she is engaging at all

levels. She is being highly respected for doing so. She has

demonstrated true leadership. People are extremely nervous because that

is not what they have voted for. Thank you for your patience. This is

being reported by Reuters. Angela Merkel of Germany says the EU must

act to prevent other countries from, it says fleeing the EU. It probably

means leaving but maybe she actually said fleeing. Maybe it is a

translation issue. Angela Merkel says the UK must act to prevent

other countries leaving the European Union. Our audience all voted on

Thursday if not before. The 72 hours after the result, now we are going

to hear from them. I wonder what people are thinking? How are people

reacting to the speedy political events, the after-shocks from

Thursday's vote? We started the programme this morning by you

telling us, sir, that you thought it was chaotic. You were a Leave voter

and it felt chaotic. It is chaotic. There is a lot of political

opportunism going on by trying to oust Jeremy Corbyn. Alex Salmond and

Nicola Sturgeon of the SNP, they keep going on about what is best for

the Scottish people. It seems to me they are doing what is best for Alex

Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon. I think we should have a period of calm. I

think David Cameron has got a role to play. Everybody can forgive him

if he goes back into Number 10 and draws the curtain to watch the

tennis but he still has a role to play domestic league. He should be

making a speech to calm everybody. He has had the cabinet meeting this

morning. He will address colleagues. You also voted Leave. What are you

thinking? I am very worried about Scotland and the fact that more

people in Scotland voted to remain banned to leave does not wipe away

the 2 million people majority that voted in September 20 14th to go the

same way as the UK. They voted for whatever happened in the future. I

do not think that Scotland should think they have a democratic mandate