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A terrorist attack on Turkey's main international airport has killed

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The Turkish Prime Minister is blaming so-called Islamic State.

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We will talk to eyewitnesses in the next few minutes.

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The biggest jobs in politics are up for grabs.

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Today, we'll find out who plans to run for Prime Minister as yet

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more pressure mounts on Labour's leader Jeremy Corbyn to stand down.

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And undercover officers will be banned from having sex

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with the people they're spying on unless their life is threatened.

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Mark Kennedy was an officer who slept with one of his targets

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He insisted to me back in 2012 that he loved

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I know that the relationship that we had outside of what names were was

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probably one of the most loving experiences I have ever had. But you

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were lying to her? I was lying to her about my name and who I was,

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yes. We will get reaction from the lawyer

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representing the eight women whop duped into having relationships with

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undercover officers. Do get in touch on all the stories

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we're talking about this morning - use the hashtag victorialive

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and if you text, you will be charged Our top story today -

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terror in Turkey - at least 36 people are now known

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to have been killed and more than 140 injured in an attack

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on Istanbul's Ataturk International Three suicide bombers began shooting

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inside and outside the terminal, The Turkish Prime Minister said it

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looked like Islamic State was behind the attack

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as Tom Donkin reports. The moment Ataturk Art was hit by a

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deadly attack. Three suicide bombers stormed the busy international

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terminal. One reportedly opening fire with a Kalashnikov machine gun.

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The Turk English Prime Minister blamed Islamic State group for the

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assault. Daesh. Eye withins who were in the terminal described how the

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situation unfolded. People were shooting on one side and we all ran

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the other way and then the bombs went off.

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TRANSLATION: They were shooting at the police and the police were

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shooting at them. Someone next to us got shot and then we saw the bomb

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and the x-ray machine blow up. This is one of the busiest airports in

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Europe. The volume of passengers making it a vulnerable target and

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many say the authorities were unprepared for an attack of this

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scale. This year, several have been blamed on either Kurdish separatists

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or Islamic State group. The country's president has been heavily

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criticised for not doing enough to tackle the threats his country

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faces, but after the events here, many are left wondering what he can

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do to improve the security situation in Turkey a country which sits in

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what has become an ever volatile region.

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We will talk to eyewitness ins ten minutes time.

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Joanna Gosling is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

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David Cameron has said Britain "will not and should not"

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turn its back on Europe as it leaves the European Union.

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After talks with other EU leaders in Brussels,

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the Prime Minister said last night that trade and security co-operation

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would be vital whatever the shape of future ties.

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The President of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker,

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said Mr Cameron's successor would be expected to invoke Article 50,

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the formal notification of leaving speedily.

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Nominations open today for Mr Cameron's successor

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as Conservative Party leader and Prime Minister.

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Meanwhile, Jeremy Corbyn is refusing to resign as Labour

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leader despite a motion of no confidence in him

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To talk about all of this, we can now speak to our political

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Well, another day, Norman, where there is so much to get your head

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around? All change here today, Joanna with two leadership contests

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expected to kick in to action. Jeremy Corbyn still remaining

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defiant and tonight he will address a rally of his supporters to prepare

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them for the looming clash ahead. His critics are hoping that left

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leaning MPs and trade union leaders can maybe at this 11th hour still

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convince him to stand down. If they can't then after Prime Minister's

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Questions, it is expected they will unveil their candidate, most likely

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person is going to be the former Shadow Business Secretary, Angela

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Eagle, but at the moment no sign of give despite the huge pressure on

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Jeremy Corbyn. Have a listen to his colleague, the Shadow Chancellor,

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John McDonnell, this morning. All I said to Labour MPs is play by the

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rules, but the most important thing at the moment is just calm down. Our

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country is facing some real serious risks at the moment and we've got a

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job as MPs to come together and try and protect the people who maybe

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affected. They are largely the most vulnerable. So that's what we are

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worried. If there is to be a democratic election in the party,

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that's fine. Asking MPs to play by the rules, but in the meantime,

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let's do our job and protect the interests of our country. So Labour

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seems poised for a very brutal leadership contest. On the Tory

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side, nominations open this evening to replace David Cameron as leader.

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Boris Johnson in pole position. Theresa May seen as the most likely

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person to push him for that place, but we have had a flurry of people

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coming forward this morning setting out their saules. We heard from Liz

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Truss who is backing lorge and Sajid Javid who is backing Stephen Crabb

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and Nicki Morgan, the Education Secretary who is contemplating

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having a go. Let's listen to all of them We need to make sure that we

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get a good deal in our negotiations with the rest of the world and

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Europe and I think Boris is a politician who can operate on that

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world stage and that's what I want party members to think about. I

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think Stephen has absolutely what it takes to lead this country, to make

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sure it comes out stronger and also that it comes out as a much more

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united country. I'm actively thinking. There has to be a place

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for this pitch on the centre ground of British politics and I will make

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a decision obviously like everybody else by midday tomorrow. There are a

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lot of Tory MPs who would rather walk over burning coals and jump off

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a cliff than vote for Boris Johnson, but it is hard to see how anyone

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stops him because the final decision will come down to party members and

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amongst party members, one suspects Boris Johnson is the runaway

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favourite. One Tory MP told me yesterday they had a fund-raiser,

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?60 a ticket to see Boris Johnson and they sold 300 tickets, another

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fund-raiser to see Theresa May, they sold only 30 tickets!

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STUDIO: Thank you very much, Norman. A rulebook for police working

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undercover in England and Wales has The draft guidance bans sexual

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relationships and says officers must Here's our Home Affairs

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Correspondent, Dominic Casciani. Stephen Lawrence's family

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targeted for intelligence. The names of dead children used

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for fake identities. And officers sleeping

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with their targets. Serious allegations levelled

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against undercover police. Mark Kennedy had relationships

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with three women while undercover, one deployment led to a major

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miscarriage of justice. A public inquiry will

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soon examine his case. Today, the College of Policing

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for England and Wales says It's shining an unprecedented light

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into the shadows by publishing The guidance says officers

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are banned from having sexual They must be psychologically vetted

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and senior officers must There have been very legitimate

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public concerns about the use It is a very, very important tactic

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in catching the most dangerous and serious

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criminals in our society, but it is right that the rules

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should be laid out and that the public should understand

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what the rules are and that the people working

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in that environment, Kate Wilson, campaigning to know why

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she had a relationship She is not convinced the police

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can reform themselves. If there is no public oversight

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and by public oversight I don't mean some other establishment official

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signing off on what they're doing behind closed doors,

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I mean real public oversight then I don't see how there can be any

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kind of control. Undercover operations could be

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happening anywhere at any time and even though there is only

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so much the public will ever be told, police chiefs

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insist there is now proper Toyota is recalling nearly

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1.5 million cars worldwide. There are concerns about the safety

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of the air bags in some Prius and Lexus hybrid models,

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which were first sold The company said it was not aware

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of any injuries or deaths A TV advert for the

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anti-inflammatory drug Nurofen has been banned

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for falsely claiming that it could specifically target

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joint and back pain. The ad then showed shots

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of the woman going about her usual activities without any pain,

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interspersed with anatomical images of her back with a Nurofen symbol

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indicating where the pain Police forces are apparently

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choosing not to enforce a new law protecting children from people

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smoking in cars. Legislation introduced in October

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last year made it illegal to smoke in a vehicle carrying someone under

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the age of 18. But now a Freedom of Information

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request has revealed that only three police forces in England and Wales

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reported cases and all were dealt A rescue is underway off the coast

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of California to save a blue whale. It's the second time crews have

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tried to untangle the 80-foot whale, which has become trapped

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in fishing lines. It is rare for blue whales

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to become tangled in the nets because they usually swim

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far from shore. That's a summary of

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the latest BBC News. Do get in touch with us

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throughout the morning. Use the hashtag victorialive

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and if you text, you will be charged Sorry about, it is just the way it

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is. He could be the most popular

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Englishman in sport at the moment. This man, Marcus Willis,

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has shot to fame after winning his opening match

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at Wimbledon on Monday. He doesn't usually make the

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headlines. All the more remarkable because he's

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ranked 772 in the world. Now he faces a dream tie

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against seven time He had to battle through six rounds

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of qualifying before he beat Ricardas Berankis

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in the first round. He's earned about ?200 so far this

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year, but is now guaranteed at least To put that into perspective,

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Federer has pocketed more Along with Willis, Andy Murray made

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it through to the second round too. In the battle of the Brits,

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Murray made light work The world number two Murray saw

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off the world number 235 on Centre Court,

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in the first all-British meeting Britain's other number

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one Konta's first match She's a set up against

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Puerto Rico's Monica Pweeg. The fall-out from England's

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embarrassing exit from the Euros The latest is that Gareth Southgate,

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the England under-21 boss, could take over the senior team

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temporarily, while the FA looks for a long-term successor for Roy

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Hodgson. Hodgson resigned on Monday

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after England's 2-1 loss to Iceland. Well, the England players arrived

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back at Luton Airport yesterday. The weather, quite fittingly,

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grey and miserable. Hodgson, somewhat reluctantly, spoke

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to the media before the flight. He said there were no "magic

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answers" to explain I don't really know what I'm doing

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here. I thought my statement last night was sufficient. I'm no longer

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the England mansioner. My time has been and gone, but I was told that

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it was important for everybody that I appear and I guess that's partly

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because people are still smarting from our poor performance yesterday

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and the defeat which has seen us leave the tournament and I suppose

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someone has to stand and take the slings and arrows that come with it.

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Let's turn our attention to the last remaining Home Nation

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They play their quarter-final against Belgium on Friday,

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but at a press conference yesterday they faced questions on this video

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that has emerged on social media where they are enthusiastically

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celebrating that Iceland victory over England.

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Fullback Chris Gunter tried to explain the players reaction.

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I think if you asked the squad as a whole, maybe it is a selfish point

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of view, Wales are proud to be the last home nations team left in the

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tournament. We've come such a long way and football has a funny way of

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bringing out emotions as we have seen when we played them a couple of

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weeks ago. But it certainly wasn't meant to come across in that way!

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Wales against Belgium live on BBC One on Friday,

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Good morning. Another terror attack at another International Airport

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just three months after the bombings in Brussels. Three suicide bombers

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have caused devastation at icean bull's Ataturk Airport killing 36

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people and wounding more than 140. The attackers dressed in black,

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arrived in a taxi and opened fire outside the terminal before entering

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the departures hall and shooting at random. When they were stopped by

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armed police, they blew themselves up. The Turkish Prime Minister says

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it looks like the terror group, Islamic State, carried out the

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attack. Our Turkey Correspondent Selin

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Gerit is in Istanbul. Tell us the latest from where you

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are? The death toll still remains at 36 at the moment and the injured are

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over 140 people. Relatives of the injured and relatives of the dead

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keep waiting at the hospitals, in a dreadful weight. 27 of the

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identities of the dead have been confirmed but had not yet announced.

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We don't know yet the nationality of the 36 people who have been killed

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in the attack, but officials are saying that mostly they are Turks.

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The Prime Minister said the early signs are showing the involvement of

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the Islamic State militants. This was a major attack, very

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co-ordinated, and the usual suspects could either be Islamic State or the

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Kurdish militant group PKK. But the Prime Minister said early signs

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indicate IS involvement, which will of course open new questions.

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Opposition has been blaming Turkish Government for making this country

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more vulnerable because of its alleged support for the rebels in

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Syria and people have been raising questions about how vulnerable

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Turkey has become and why. And they are really legitimate questions,

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because there have been a series of terrorist attacks across Turkey in

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the last year or so. In the last year alone, eight major bombings had

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taken place, suicide bombings, car bombings, and 17 attacks in total,

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coming from either the IS militants or the PKK Kurdish militant group or

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its offshoot. Nearly 300 people were killed in these attacks in the last

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year alone. People in Turkey are feeling increasingly concerned about

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what might happen next and considering what happened yesterday

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has become already one of the deadliest attacks in Turkey, people

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are getting more concerned and one of the major concerns is that this

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attack has targeted an airport. Airport security is a major issue in

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Turkey and 36 people have been killed, but if there are more

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attacks, more similar attacks that could take place, more lives could

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be at stake. Thank you very much for the moment, that is our Turkey

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corresponded Selin Gerit. Will Carter was at the airport when the

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explosions went off and Richard Callens is a businessman who had

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arrived on an international flight when the airport was attacked. I am

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grateful for your time considering what you have been experiencing.

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Richard, tell us what you saw and what you heard. We arrived at around

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9:30pm last night. We were headed towards the passport control area,

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in the airport, when people started shouting and running towards us.

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People were screaming that there had been a bomb, screaming about

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gunfire. I turned around and started running in the opposite direction.

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There was a lot of panic, a lot of chaos, people falling on the ground.

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The crowd moved into a corridor which ended up being a dead end,

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which led to a lot of panic. People didn't know what to do, everyone was

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trapped in the corridor. The situation remained like that for a

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couple of hours, no information about what was going on. There were

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reports of explosions and gunfire but among the crowd I was in, there

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was a lot of fear and uncertainty about what was happening and what

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was going to happen. Shortly after midnight, the airport personnel let

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us know the situation had been contained and it was safe to exit

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the airport so we headed through the passport area into the international

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arrivals zone, which was only about 200 metres from where we had been

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hiding and it turned out that was the area where the explosion had

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gone off. As we went through the arrivals area, we were able to see

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the extent of the damage, smashed glass, a ceiling partially

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collapsed, lots of blood on the floor, kiosks that had been smashed

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and torn apart from the force of the explosion. Also a lot of dusty smoke

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in the air. There were lots ambulances outside

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taking people away and the general scene of chaos outside, waiting for

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family and friends to arrive. Richard, we have caught most of what

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you had told us, it sounds absolutely horrifying but you are

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telling us in a very calm and measured way. Will Carter, you were

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in the baggage collection area. Tell us what you heard first of all. Good

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morning. Two fairly large explosions, it felt like outside the

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arrivals area on the basement floor and the departure area is above. A

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minute or so later, an explosion happened inside the building, just

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where you leave the baggage collection area through customs and

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where families are waiting, in the arrivals section in the building. So

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we saw a fireball at that stage, the debris come down, and there was a

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lot of panic after that. You are lucky to be alive. Yes, there are

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many variables. A few minutes earlier, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't

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have made it and if there was another attack after that, I'm

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pretty sure nothing would have stopped it coming through and

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causing more casualties, including me. How long were you in the

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building before you were able to get out? When the first two explosions

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had happened, I had asked... Well, I was screaming at this point for the

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ground staff to tell us where the emergency exits were and a few

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seconds later, the explosions happened in the arrivals section is

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and we just had to run further inside the terminal. We found a

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staff area just off the immigration section, which we took shelter in

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and hoped nothing else could happen. It was a good two hours or so that

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we were waiting there. I am going to bring Richard back in, I think we

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have re-established the connection to you. I don't know if it is too

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soon for things... For you to have really absorbed what you experienced

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last night, but what are you thinking this morning? Well, I

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was... While the events were taking place, there really wasn't much

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information about what was going on, a lot of hearsay and people were

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really confused about what was happening, general mode of panic,

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but what had happened hit home when we were able to exit the airport and

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saw the extent of the damage and realised we had been so close to the

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explosion and gunfire, just a couple of hundred metres down a corridor,

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so that really hit home as we were leaving the airport and saw what had

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gone on. At this point, just kind of lucky to have avoided any problems

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and lucky to have made it out of the airport. Well, I gather you are an

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aid worker, you will have helped people who have gone through some

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rather traumatic experiences. I wonder how you rationalise what you

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have experienced. I mean, it was tough and in the beginning, I was in

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survival mode myself. It wasn't clear that the security at that time

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would stop anything. 40 other passengers had moved into this area

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a bit further away from the blast sites and hopefully, no one from

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then was injured, I did have a trauma kit with me but it didn't

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seem necessary for any work with the people who had made it there. Once

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we were there, the doors were secured, they were thick metal

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doors, so we just had to wait and hope nothing else happened. I think

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the emergency services did a decent job in clearing the place, I didn't

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see any injured people there. Richard, how does it affect you when

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you think about travelling in the future for work or for pleasure? At

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this point, I really haven't had a chance to abstract from the

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situation and consider things like how I will feel about things in the

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future. Just really lucky and grateful to have gotten out of the

:25:11.:25:15.

airport and to have avoided any harm and that is pretty much primarily on

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my mind. During this situation itself, it was trying to maintain as

:25:21.:25:23.

much calm as possible and try and get through the situation level

:25:24.:25:27.

headed and avoid situations where there was too much panic. That has

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kind of been the extent of my thinking so far, just very grateful

:25:32.:25:34.

to have gotten out of there and avoided any harm. I am really

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grateful for your time, both of you. Thank you very much. Richard

:25:39.:25:48.

Kalnins, an international businessman who had just arrived on

:25:49.:25:53.

a flight and Will Carter, who was in the baggage area when he heard a

:25:54.:25:58.

shock wave as he described it, then a second explosion and a third one.

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We are going to talk about Jeremy Corbyn after the news and sport.

:26:04.:26:07.

Should he stand down as Labour leader? He is refusing to despite

:26:08.:26:10.

the crushing no-confidence vote. We'll talk to new Labour supporters

:26:11.:26:20.

who joined up last year for ?3 and one who joined

:26:21.:26:22.

yesterday in order to vote against Jeremy Corbyn in any

:26:23.:26:25.

future leadership contest. Janet on Facebook says she would not

:26:26.:26:30.

vote any of the snakes in Labour who turned against their leader. I agree

:26:31.:26:34.

he hasn't got the leadership styles required to be heard but it does

:26:35.:26:39.

stick to his values. Sue says what Labour need is someone who can win

:26:40.:26:42.

an election and this is not Jeremy. Never trust a man who is not

:26:43.:26:46.

respected by his colleagues. Sean on Facebook says Labour need to elect

:26:47.:26:50.

someone who is dynamic and charismatic. It is not Labour voters

:26:51.:26:55.

who are important, it is Ukip and Lib Dems and the Conservatives, the

:26:56.:27:00.

ones who voted for Tony Blair. Dave says Labour needs to get rid of its

:27:01.:27:05.

pampered, treacherous MPs. And if I have still got it, this from Angus

:27:06.:27:10.

on Facebook... Surrey, on Twitter, he says he has just joined Labour so

:27:11.:27:17.

he can vote against Jeremy Corbyn. Time for the latest news headlines

:27:18.:27:22.

and here is Joanna in the BBC News headlines.

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Thank you. At least 36 people have been known to be killed and 140

:27:26.:27:31.

injured in an attack on Istanbul's Ataturk International airport in

:27:32.:27:33.

Turkey. Three suicide bombers began shooting inside and outside the

:27:34.:27:37.

terminal before blowing themselves up. The Turkish Prime Minister said

:27:38.:27:41.

it looked like Islamic State were behind the attack.

:27:42.:27:44.

Nominations are today in the contest to replace David Cameron as leader

:27:45.:27:48.

of the Conservative Party and to become the next Prime Minister.

:27:49.:27:55.

Boris Johnson and Theresa May are expected to be among the candidates.

:27:56.:27:57.

Yesterday the Work and Pensions Secretary Stephen Crabb announced he

:27:58.:27:59.

will be running for the position. Candidates have until noon tomorrow

:28:00.:28:03.

to come forward. Jeremy Corbyn is meanwhile insisting

:28:04.:28:06.

that he will not resign as leader of the Labour Party, despite the large

:28:07.:28:12.

majority of Labour MPs voting for a motion of in him yesterday. The

:28:13.:28:18.

party looks to be heading for a leadership contest because of his

:28:19.:28:21.

refusal to stand down. It's thought a challenger could come

:28:22.:28:27.

forward as early as today. John McDonnell says they must play

:28:28.:28:35.

by the rules. All I would say is we must play by the rules but also,

:28:36.:28:38.

calm down, the country is facing some really serious risk that the

:28:39.:28:43.

manner that we have a job as MPs to protect the people who might be

:28:44.:28:47.

affected by that, they are largely the most vulnerable, so that is what

:28:48.:28:50.

we are worried about. If there is to be a democratic election in the

:28:51.:28:54.

party, that is fine, ask the MPs to play by the rules but in the

:28:55.:28:57.

meantime, let's do our job and protect the interests of the

:28:58.:28:58.

country. A rulebook for police working

:28:59.:29:00.

undercover in England and Wales has The draft guidance bans sexual

:29:01.:29:02.

relationships and says officers must The move comes ahead of a major

:29:03.:29:12.

public inquiry into undercover malpractice.

:29:13.:29:14.

Toyota is recalling nearly 1.5 million cars worldwide.

:29:15.:29:16.

There are concerns about the safety of the air bags in some Prius

:29:17.:29:19.

and Lexus hybrid models, which were first sold

:29:20.:29:21.

The company said it was not aware of any injuries or deaths

:29:22.:29:26.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:29:27.:29:32.

Good morning. Wimbledon's newest home favourite Marcus Willis goes up

:29:33.:29:46.

against seven time champion Roger Federer this afternoon in the second

:29:47.:29:51.

round. Willis is ranked 772 in the world and almost quit the sport at

:29:52.:29:54.

the start of the year before being persuaded to carry on by his

:29:55.:29:57.

girlfriend. Andy Murray is also through to the

:29:58.:30:03.

second round, after beating fellow Briton Liam Brody in straight sets.

:30:04.:30:09.

England under 21 boss Gareth Southgate could be brought in to

:30:10.:30:13.

manage the senior team temporarily until a successor for Roy Hodgson is

:30:14.:30:20.

found. And the England team arrived back at Luton airport yesterday

:30:21.:30:24.

after their embarrassing exit from Euro 2016, where they lost 2-1 to

:30:25.:30:29.

Iceland in the last 16 on Monday night. Those are the headlines, I

:30:30.:30:30.

will be back at ten o'clock. Just after 10am, we're going to be

:30:31.:30:36.

discussing the race to be the next But first let's talk about Labour

:30:37.:30:38.

because they too could be heading Jeremy Corbyn is still refusing

:30:39.:30:42.

to quit, despite a huge majority of his own MPs yesterday backing

:30:43.:30:46.

a motion of no confidence in him. It's thought a challenger could come

:30:47.:30:49.

forward as early as today with the some reports

:30:50.:30:56.

suggesting Angela Eagle, who resigned as Shadow Business

:30:57.:31:03.

Secretary two days ago, While all that's going on,

:31:04.:31:05.

the party is also agonising about why so many of its working

:31:06.:31:08.

class voters, particularly across parts of the Midlands,

:31:09.:31:11.

the North West and North East of England, turned their backs

:31:12.:31:13.

on the party by voting to leave the EU when the Labour Party's

:31:14.:31:16.

official position was to remain. In Stoke on Trent for example,

:31:17.:31:19.

the majority of people there voted How much was that to do

:31:20.:31:22.

with Mr Corbyn's leadership or even In a moment we'll ask some people

:31:23.:31:27.

who joined Labour last year for ?3 and someone who joined yesterday

:31:28.:31:31.

in order to vote against Mr Corbyn if there's

:31:32.:31:37.

a leadership contest? First, though, our reporter

:31:38.:31:38.

James Longman has been talking How can you support a party that

:31:39.:31:40.

hasn't got strong leadership? They need to get back

:31:41.:31:47.

to the values of looking after working-class people,

:31:48.:31:50.

and not to be afraid of talking I think we've engaged far more

:31:51.:31:52.

since Corbyn's the leader We're in the centre

:31:53.:31:56.

of Stoke-on-Trent, a city that voted overwhelmingly to leave the EU,

:31:57.:32:02.

but it's long been a Labour stronghold, although in recent years

:32:03.:32:06.

a lot of that support has faded We're here asking people what Labour

:32:07.:32:08.

can do to win them back. He kept saying, let me get a word

:32:09.:32:15.

in edgeways, and nobody would. Why didn't they let you get

:32:16.:32:21.

a word in edgeways? At a coffee shop in town,

:32:22.:32:25.

locals discuss the crisis facing Have we got any Labour supporters

:32:26.:32:29.

here? So what do you make of

:32:30.:32:31.

Jeremy Corbyn? I don't think he's been given a fair

:32:32.:32:36.

ride by his own Parliamentary MPs, I think, right from day one

:32:37.:32:43.

he was battling against people who just didn't want him there,

:32:44.:32:46.

wouldn't accept him, you know? But your co-Labour Party members,

:32:47.:32:51.

other Labour voters here in Stoke, just didn't come out,

:32:52.:32:54.

they didn't vote Remain, like you did and they didn't,

:32:55.:32:56.

isn't that his fault? We weren't voting for Boris,

:32:57.:32:59.

we weren't voting for Nigel, we weren't voting for Jeremy,

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we were voting for what we wanted. They just happened to be the head

:33:03.:33:05.

of the parties that we were voting for, or the head of the sides

:33:06.:33:08.

we were voting for. So you don't think it's a Labour

:33:09.:33:11.

issue, to be voting to leave? I think it's the people's voice,

:33:12.:33:14.

and the people have spoken. I mean, I'm 62, but I would not

:33:15.:33:17.

vote Conservative - But Conservative

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isn't the only other So people have been leaving Labour

:33:26.:33:31.

over the last ten or 20 years from Stoke -

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what does Labour have to do to get Well, I'd agree with you,

:33:41.:33:43.

they need to get back to the values of looking after working-class

:33:44.:33:49.

people, and not to be afraid of talking about working-class,

:33:50.:33:55.

because people who are working class are proud of where they are

:33:56.:33:57.

and where they come from. Stoke has been let

:33:58.:34:02.

down by the Tories. It's been let

:34:03.:34:04.

down by Blair's Labour, before that, and it was even let

:34:05.:34:06.

down by its own Labour council. And I can see where people

:34:07.:34:11.

are coming from, they're fed up She's pretty representative

:34:12.:34:14.

of what's happening here in Stoke. Can I ask you how you voted

:34:15.:34:18.

in the last election? I think probably it was more

:34:19.:34:21.

a protest vote, but I didn't feel as if I could vote for either

:34:22.:34:25.

Labour or Conservative. Who would you have voted

:34:26.:34:28.

for before that election? I've always been Labour,

:34:29.:34:30.

I've always been a Labour supporter. But how can you support a party that

:34:31.:34:33.

hasn't got strong leadership, and now 22 people have left

:34:34.:34:36.

the Labour Party, have left, But what do you say to people

:34:37.:34:39.

who say, well, maybe it's going back to its roots,

:34:40.:34:47.

maybe it's going back to the Labour Party that

:34:48.:34:49.

you used to support? Well, if it went back

:34:50.:34:51.

to the Labour Party are used Well, if it went back

:34:52.:34:57.

to the Labour Party I used to support, the days of Neil Kinnock

:34:58.:34:59.

and strong voices in the Labour Party, and even going as far

:35:00.:35:03.

back when I was a child, Harold Wilson, then, yes,

:35:04.:35:05.

I would support the Labour Party. But at the moment, I feel as if I'm

:35:06.:35:08.

giving my vote as a protest vote, I've really got more admiration

:35:09.:35:12.

for David Cameron than So you voted for Ukip in the last

:35:13.:35:15.

election, you voted Out. What does Labour have to do

:35:16.:35:19.

to get you back? It needs to think

:35:20.:35:25.

about the working man. People said that Ukip was a problem

:35:26.:35:35.

that the Tories had, more than Labour, but it looks like,

:35:36.:35:38.

in Stoke anyway, it's a real problem for the Labour Party

:35:39.:35:41.

and they are losing voters like you. They are losing voters

:35:42.:35:44.

in Stoke-on-Trent, I think, to be honest, in Stoke-on-Trent,

:35:45.:35:46.

I may be out of turn saying this, but in Stoke-on-Trent,

:35:47.:35:49.

people will vote Ukip. I really do I thiink

:35:50.:35:55.

because they have lost I mean, I'm 60 years old,

:35:56.:35:57.

I remember my nana and grandad used They used to get dressed up to go

:35:58.:36:04.

and vote for Labour, Councillor Ruth Rosenau is among

:36:05.:36:08.

the Labour councillors here trying New Labour was a mistake,

:36:09.:36:12.

and do you not think that we've returned to our core values,

:36:13.:36:18.

by bringing Corbyn in? Yes, I'm hoping that he sort

:36:19.:36:19.

of like boosts up the lower classes and everything,

:36:20.:36:23.

I think he's more for people... So what happened to all these Labour

:36:24.:36:26.

voters who didn't come out Well, I think, if we go back

:36:27.:36:32.

to the election last year, we'd lost a lot of our core

:36:33.:36:39.

members, our core support. And that was down to the fact

:36:40.:36:41.

that we weren't going out We've not had conversations

:36:42.:36:44.

that we probably should have 20 But surely that lies

:36:45.:36:47.

with Jeremy Corbyn, and that's the debate they're having

:36:48.:36:58.

now, you've got to replace him maybe to make sure that you will be

:36:59.:37:01.

engaging with the Labour vote. I think we've engaged far more

:37:02.:37:03.

since Corbyn has been leader And I think that's why Corbyn,

:37:04.:37:06.

actually, is the person For Labour faithful Ryan,

:37:07.:37:11.

the disappointment is clear. I think they've got

:37:12.:37:14.

the wrong bloke in charge. He should have come out and said

:37:15.:37:20.

more about this referendum If you were to vote win a general

:37:21.:37:35.

election tomorrow, So it doesn't matter

:37:36.:37:46.

what they do, Yeah.

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Well, my dad was always Labour, see? At the end of the day,

:37:51.:37:56.

a last stop at the pub with Who do you normally vote

:37:57.:38:02.

for in an election? I've not voted the last couple of

:38:03.:38:19.

times because I kind of was largely But I'd definitely

:38:20.:38:22.

vote Labour next time. You are probably one of the voters

:38:23.:38:25.

that Labour has lost over the last ten, 20 years -

:38:26.:38:27.

their vote share has been going down and down and down, why is that

:38:28.:38:30.

in Stoke particularly? They've had a big problem

:38:31.:38:33.

for years here. Cos a lot of people have probably

:38:34.:38:35.

not seen governments doing anything But that can happen,

:38:36.:38:38.

if he got his own support, you know, But now he's changed it up,

:38:39.:38:42.

he's got a new front More hopeful than I was

:38:43.:38:48.

in September, yeah. For many in Stoke, Corbyn

:38:49.:38:53.

is still the man, a figure of protest, like their vote

:38:54.:38:56.

to leave, against an establishment You're feeling more

:38:57.:39:00.

hopeful about the future? Even if it takes one year,

:39:01.:39:05.

two years, I'd rather suffer slightly for one or two years and be

:39:06.:39:09.

in control of what you do. Well, as I mentioned, it's just two

:39:10.:39:19.

days since Angela Eagle resigned After she quit, she gave

:39:20.:39:28.

an emotional interview You have found this personally

:39:29.:39:34.

very difficult? But I feel that I've served

:39:35.:39:40.

in the best way that I Let's talk to four

:39:41.:39:50.

Labour Party members. Here in the studio we've

:39:51.:39:57.

got Alastair Curtis, who joined Labour last year

:39:58.:39:59.

specifically to vote in Jeremy Corbyn as leader -

:40:00.:40:00.

and still supports him. Huda Elmi joined Labour specifically

:40:01.:40:02.

because Mr Corbyn was elected - And we have Josh Tuck,

:40:03.:40:06.

who voted for Mr Corbyn at the last leadership election but doesn't

:40:07.:40:15.

support him anymore and Michael Emanuel,

:40:16.:40:17.

who joined Labour on Monday specifically to vote against Corbyn

:40:18.:40:19.

in any upcoming leadership election. Welcome all of you. Michael, you've

:40:20.:40:26.

joined up specifically to vote against him if there is a leadership

:40:27.:40:31.

contest, why? Well, for me, I'm quite disappointed with Jeremy

:40:32.:40:36.

Corbyn. I wholeheartedly believed in his idea of new politics and for me,

:40:37.:40:40.

that seemed to last more about five Prime Minister's Questions and then

:40:41.:40:46.

it evaporated. I'm disappointed with how he has acted in the referendum

:40:47.:40:54.

campaign. And for me, I can, I remember seeing Tony Blair, John

:40:55.:40:57.

Major, and Gordon Brown in the campaign more than I do Jeremy

:40:58.:41:03.

Corbyn. He has absolutely lost my support and I don't think he is the

:41:04.:41:06.

right man to take Labour forward into a general election. Alistair,

:41:07.:41:11.

you think he is the right man to take Labour forward into a general

:41:12.:41:15.

election. How can he win? I think, Jeremy Corbyn can win with a strong

:41:16.:41:19.

ideology, a strong ideological commitment throughout the Labour

:41:20.:41:25.

Party. To what? Anti-austerity. The years of New Labour represented a

:41:26.:41:29.

time when we pandered to the right, we moved towards the right and we

:41:30.:41:34.

lost a lot of voters, we saw in the introduce how many voters we lost by

:41:35.:41:38.

the years of Blair. I think Jeremy Corbyn can win an election in the

:41:39.:41:42.

next year by providing a strong ideological commitment, but the

:41:43.:41:45.

support of Ukip, the support of the SNP were parties that succeeded

:41:46.:41:49.

because they have an ideology that can be... You mentioned Ukip, isn't

:41:50.:41:53.

Jeremy Corbyn out-of-touch? It this is what some of his detractors say.

:41:54.:41:58.

On the issue of immigration he doesn't acknowledge there is anxiety

:41:59.:42:01.

amongst voters about the free movement of people? Immigration, the

:42:02.:42:07.

immigration issue, I feel, Jeremy's success is not out-of-touch. I think

:42:08.:42:11.

that he is creating a narrative rather than submitting to one. He is

:42:12.:42:15.

creating a narrative... He is not listening to Labour voters then? Not

:42:16.:42:20.

at all. Some of whom are anxious about the free movement of people?

:42:21.:42:24.

30% of Labour voters voted to leave the EU. Those voters had concerns

:42:25.:42:29.

about immigration. 63% of Labour voters did not have concerns about

:42:30.:42:33.

immigration. Labour can't win a general election without those

:42:34.:42:36.

voters. Without Scotland, without the north of England? It is up to

:42:37.:42:40.

Jeremy to create the argument and it is up to Jeremy to win the argument

:42:41.:42:45.

and I'm sure he can. Josh, you voted for Mr Corbyn last year in the

:42:46.:42:47.

leadership election. Do you support him now? No. I do not. I have

:42:48.:42:55.

complete completely had' change of heart and I'm saddened and

:42:56.:42:59.

disappoint, I feel he let us down. How has he let you down? He promised

:43:00.:43:03.

a lot of things in terms of change and he has definitely delivered a

:43:04.:43:07.

direction of change and a distance from the past which is positive. And

:43:08.:43:12.

he did encourage me to get involved, however, I think to lose the backing

:43:13.:43:17.

of almost all of your Parliamentary party says quite something about

:43:18.:43:22.

you. I've watched him speak and I've been less than impressed in the last

:43:23.:43:28.

few times and to see people like Angela Eagle who worked really hard

:43:29.:43:31.

for our party in tears because he has been a let down quite frankly is

:43:32.:43:36.

hurtful. Do you agree with Alistair, he does have a strong anti-austerity

:43:37.:43:39.

message and that's popular with quite a number of voters? It

:43:40.:43:44.

definitely is popular, however, as he pointed out with issues like

:43:45.:43:47.

immigration, the two issues we were not trusted on last election were

:43:48.:43:51.

the economy and immigration. Now he might win the argument on the

:43:52.:43:55.

economy and I'm with him there. However, on immigration, I feel like

:43:56.:43:58.

he is just not listening and I am a Labour supporter. I've got an

:43:59.:44:02.

immigrant husband and I voted Remain, but I acknowledge there is a

:44:03.:44:06.

massive problem with immigration and so I don't agree with Alistair on

:44:07.:44:08.

that point. Does Jeremy Corbyn still speak for

:44:09.:44:14.

you? Of course. I'm on the committee of Labour students and I represent a

:44:15.:44:20.

lot of the members nationally. A lot of their concerns because it is a

:44:21.:44:23.

terrifying time especially for ethnic minorities and we talk about

:44:24.:44:33.

proimmigration stances he is proimmigration and antiracism from

:44:34.:44:36.

the onset. Some people are anxious about the free movement of people?

:44:37.:44:42.

Is he? He has been critical of the EU and reflected a lot of the

:44:43.:44:47.

British people who are Eurosceptic obviously so because a lot voted to

:44:48.:44:50.

leave and he was more in tune with the British public than a lot of the

:44:51.:44:55.

Tories and Ukip. Can ask you about class if you don't mind. Who would

:44:56.:45:01.

you describe yourself if I forced you to describe yourself as a member

:45:02.:45:05.

of a particular class? I would describe myself as working class. I

:45:06.:45:10.

come from a works class bobbing ground in Coventry. Jeremy Corbyn

:45:11.:45:15.

offered an ideological alternative. I come from a Labour heartland.

:45:16.:45:21.

Everybody voted Labour. Coventry voted to leave. I'm not surprised. I

:45:22.:45:25.

was there voting and campaigning for the EU referendum and I found a lot

:45:26.:45:29.

of people felt as though the establishment had left them.

:45:30.:45:41.

Spigot Alistair? Middle-class, I come from Northamptonshire, but

:45:42.:45:49.

there was a lot of support the Jeremy Farhad inks edged dignity and

:45:50.:45:52.

honesty in such a clear message. We were watching the film about the

:45:53.:45:59.

electorate in Stoke-on-Trent and what struck me was the number of

:46:00.:46:04.

times people said "We need a strong leader," implying that Jeremy Corbyn

:46:05.:46:09.

is not strong enough. Josh, I can see you nodding. Definitely. I would

:46:10.:46:14.

also say I am working class and for people who are working class being

:46:15.:46:17.

absolutely massively failed by this Government with the slashing public

:46:18.:46:21.

services, it is imperative that we get another Labour Government and

:46:22.:46:24.

Jeremy says he wants a progressive case for a Government that he would

:46:25.:46:28.

do anything basically to take the Tories out. Actually, in refusing to

:46:29.:46:32.

resign and blocking a progressive manifesto coming from someone else,

:46:33.:46:37.

he not doing that and for people like me, who can't enjoy their life

:46:38.:46:43.

under a Tory Government, and that is not being dramatic, he has been a

:46:44.:46:47.

let down. Michael, you are the one who joined Labour on Monday this

:46:48.:46:50.

week specifically to vote against Jeremy Corbyn in any forthcoming

:46:51.:46:54.

Labour leadership contest. Does it matter to you who comes forward to

:46:55.:46:57.

challenge him or is it more important that it is one person that

:46:58.:47:01.

people, the Labour MPs, the majority of whom voted against Mr Corbyn in

:47:02.:47:07.

the no-confidence motion, one person people can unite behind? I think it

:47:08.:47:14.

is important to have somebody who commands the respect and confidence

:47:15.:47:19.

of the 80% of Labour MPs who voted against Jeremy Corbyn in the motion

:47:20.:47:22.

yesterday. They would that person be in your view? In my view, either

:47:23.:47:31.

Angela Eagle or Tom Watson. Huda, is Jeremy Corbyn not being incredibly

:47:32.:47:34.

arrogant by sticking to his position, that he will not go when

:47:35.:47:39.

80% of his colleagues don't want him to be leader anymore? I think the

:47:40.:47:43.

arrogant people are the MPs who are going against the will of their

:47:44.:47:47.

constituencies. Angela Eagle, her constituency released a statement in

:47:48.:47:51.

full support of Jeremy Corbyn. We have a disconnect between Labour MPs

:47:52.:47:56.

and party membership. That you have heard some here, they don't want

:47:57.:47:59.

them to be Cheryl -- Jeremy: to be leader. We have over 200,000 who

:48:00.:48:04.

signed a motion of confidence, it cannot be ignored. It is something

:48:05.:48:10.

MPs don't represent. Thank you so much, I appreciate all of your

:48:11.:48:14.

input. Do get in touch with your own views on that particular

:48:15.:48:18.

conversation. We will talk about the Conservative race for party

:48:19.:48:19.

leadership after ten a.m.. For the first time, draft guidance

:48:20.:48:22.

for undercover police It includes a new rule banning them

:48:23.:48:24.

from having sex with anyone they're employed to infiltrate or target -

:48:25.:48:28.

unless their life is threatened. Undercover officers must also be

:48:29.:48:32.

psychologically assessed And taking drugs as a tactic

:48:33.:48:34.

to infiltrate crime gangs Undercover policing is used

:48:35.:48:40.

by forces in England and Wales to obtain evidence and intelligence,

:48:41.:48:45.

and to keep the public safe As we speak, a major public inquiry

:48:46.:48:48.

is under way into Since 2011, a steady stream

:48:49.:48:53.

of stories alleging wrongdoing by officers working in this

:48:54.:48:57.

way has emerged. Investigations found

:48:58.:49:00.

some had relationships and others had used

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the names of dead children. Mark Kennedy is a former police

:49:05.:49:09.

officer who spent seven years undercover

:49:10.:49:12.

infiltrating protest groups. During that time, he had more

:49:13.:49:13.

than one relationship with people To be fair, the person I was in love

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with wasn't really involved with situations where I needed

:49:20.:49:27.

to pass intelligence about. But if you'd needed to,

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would you have done it? Would your loyalty have been

:49:33.:49:41.

to the police or to her? In those circumstances,

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I don't think I would have Yes, you could say that, but I think

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I was in a position where... I mean, she was a person

:49:49.:49:54.

that was very independent, And she is a person who made

:49:55.:49:56.

up her own mind about the decisions and what she wanted to do,

:49:57.:50:02.

and I totally respect that. If she went on something

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and she was arrested for it, that is very much her

:50:08.:50:09.

way of doing things, and if that is what she wanted

:50:10.:50:13.

to do, then she has to stand by that, and I'm sure she would,

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as do many other people. Some campaigners said that,

:50:17.:50:20.

by having this relationship, they described it as state

:50:21.:50:26.

sanctioned abuse, because this woman

:50:27.:50:31.

could not give informed consent because she didn't know

:50:32.:50:35.

who you really were. Well, that's certainly something

:50:36.:50:40.

which is being addressed by many Well, that's certainly something

:50:41.:50:45.

which is being addressed by eight women who claim to have had

:50:46.:50:47.

relationships with undercover But how do you feel about being

:50:48.:50:49.

accused of state sanctioned abuse? I know that the relationship

:50:50.:50:54.

that we had, outside of what names were, was probably one of the most

:50:55.:50:57.

loving experiences I've ever had. I was lying to her about my name

:50:58.:51:00.

and who I was, yes. It's very hard to know that

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really hurt, and she's terribly upset about that,

:51:08.:51:14.

and it's something which I'm still finding very hard to deal with,

:51:15.:51:17.

and will for a long time to come. All I do know is that

:51:18.:51:22.

what we shared, and how we shared our lives for four

:51:23.:51:25.

and a half, five years, was an amazing time,

:51:26.:51:28.

in the sense that we both supported each other through some

:51:29.:51:34.

very difficult times It's just very sad that the way

:51:35.:51:36.

and how we fell in love happened Let's talk to a woman who Mark

:51:37.:51:56.

Kennedy a six-year relationship with. Lisa, it is not her real name.

:51:57.:52:02.

Also, lawyer Harriet Wistrich has been

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representing a number of the women who had been in relationships

:52:08.:52:10.

with undercover police officers - some of whom have received large

:52:11.:52:12.

sums in compensation And David Tucker is the College

:52:13.:52:14.

of Policing crime lead. And David Tucker is

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the College of Policing. let me start with you David Tucker.

:52:19.:52:23.

Why is it they're prohibited for an undercover officer to have a sexual

:52:24.:52:27.

relationship with someone they are spying on or targeting? It is

:52:28.:52:31.

important to say first that the College of policing has been

:52:32.:52:35.

targeted to drive up the professional standards and this is

:52:36.:52:38.

part of the process. Undercover policing is a legitimate and a legal

:52:39.:52:42.

tactic and undertaken by very brave officers on a very day -- on a daily

:52:43.:52:48.

basis and they are there to protect the public and bring criminals and

:52:49.:52:52.

terrorists to justice. But not legitimate to have sex with someone

:52:53.:52:56.

you are spying on unless your life is threatened? The guidance is very

:52:57.:53:00.

clear, around a standard we are setting as the College of national

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policing, that sexual relationships can never be authorised as a tactic

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and if it should happen, it must be reported and investigated but we

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must be really, really clear. It should never happen, it can never be

:53:15.:53:17.

authorised and when it does happen, it is wrong. What the guidance says

:53:18.:53:22.

is it must never happen, it should never happen, it will never be

:53:23.:53:26.

authorised, but you can do it if you think your life is threatened. Yes,

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there are certain circumstances which may lead somebody to feel bad

:53:32.:53:35.

that is necessary. Can you give me some scenarios? I think that is

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really difficult because it would change from circumstance to

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circumstance. Give me one example. Ridiculously, if someone had a gun

:53:47.:53:50.

pointed to their head. It is ridiculous, in your own words. But

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we don't rule it out because there are circumstances in which this

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could possibly happen and it is important that officers act with

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necessity and rely on personal judgment, but we give them very

:54:03.:54:06.

clear guidance. I am trying to imagine this scenario. An undercover

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officer, man or woman, has a gun put to their head and the person they

:54:12.:54:15.

are spying on says have sex with me or I am going to shoot you? It

:54:16.:54:20.

sounds ridiculous but there are circumstances where perhaps a

:54:21.:54:24.

criminal may wish to set up a circumstance like that to try and

:54:25.:54:27.

bloodshed somebody who they may think is an undercover officer and

:54:28.:54:32.

we need to make sure the guidance we give is realistic and able to

:54:33.:54:36.

protect the officers and public -- flush out somebody. We need to make

:54:37.:54:39.

sure the legal and ethical frameworks under which undercover

:54:40.:54:45.

policing is delivered is really robust but focused on protecting the

:54:46.:54:47.

public and bringing criminals to justice. Lisa is one of those who

:54:48.:54:53.

was spied upon and had a six-year relationship with an undercover

:54:54.:54:56.

officer. Lisa, are you reassured by this new guidance? Not hugely. I

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think what is good about this guidance is that the world of

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undercover policing has come at an elite been completely opaque for

:55:09.:55:14.

years and years, we have known nothing about it -- has been

:55:15.:55:18.

completely opaque. The fact that Dell publishing some information is

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good but at the end of the day, they are still voluntary guidelines with

:55:22.:55:25.

a get out Clause you just talked about. To my mind, that is not good

:55:26.:55:33.

enough, it is not legally binding. Can you just explain to our audience

:55:34.:55:38.

the impact on you of having an intimate relationship with an

:55:39.:55:42.

undercover officer who you didn't realise was an undercover officer

:55:43.:55:46.

for a number of years and then discovering that it had been alive?

:55:47.:55:54.

I don't know if I can quickly explained the devastation that is

:55:55.:55:57.

caused by that kind of situation. It is not something I had never

:55:58.:56:01.

encountered before and not something I hope to encounter again. It has

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left me utterly devastated. It is quite difficult to talk about it

:56:08.:56:11.

after hearing his voice talk about our relationship in that way. It is

:56:12.:56:19.

like a bereavement, except it is not that your partner doesn't exist any

:56:20.:56:23.

more. It's that they never existed in the first place and the kind of

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hole that that lives right in the centre of your being is really hard

:56:29.:56:33.

to fill and that is something that will take years. Harriet, thank you

:56:34.:56:39.

for talking to us, you represent a number of women who have been in

:56:40.:56:42.

relationships with undercover officers. What you think of this new

:56:43.:56:48.

guidance? An officer is banned from having a sexual relationship with

:56:49.:56:51.

someone they are spying on or targeting unless they are is

:56:52.:56:56.

threatened. I think Lisa has said it all in a way and you very

:56:57.:57:01.

pertinently asked the question, in what circumstances are there where

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somebody could have a risk to their life where they had to have sex? It

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is really absurd and I don't know what they need is to have that

:57:13.:57:16.

written into the guidance because it seems to offer a potential left out.

:57:17.:57:22.

If it is enshrined in law and it is against the law to have sex and a

:57:23.:57:26.

sexual relationship, you would still have a defence in law if you were

:57:27.:57:32.

prosecuted and there really was such a scenario. I cannot actually

:57:33.:57:37.

imagine what scenario that would be, but I think it... I don't think it

:57:38.:57:44.

needs that exception to be put in the guidance, because I think it

:57:45.:57:51.

leaves something open. What is quite interesting is at the time when the

:57:52.:57:55.

women raised this issue in the first place, there was a confused response

:57:56.:57:59.

from chief officers and I remember the policing minister at the time

:58:00.:58:03.

saying we can't rule it out because there might be circumstances where

:58:04.:58:07.

it could happen and I think really there needs to be a very clear

:58:08.:58:12.

criminal sanction against any such sexual relationships taking place,

:58:13.:58:18.

so that it is spelled-out. That doesn't mean to say there won't be a

:58:19.:58:23.

defence in law, but I think it is to be enshrined in law, not just in

:58:24.:58:28.

guidance, but obviously, it is welcome that there is now something

:58:29.:58:32.

that is now spelt out in guidance at the very least. David Tucker, as

:58:33.:58:37.

both laser and Harriet have pointed out, this is not enforceable -- Lisa

:58:38.:58:43.

and Harriet. It is not against the law. What is the sanction for an

:58:44.:58:47.

officer who does have sex with someone they are spying on and there

:58:48.:58:54.

is no legitimate threat? We set the standards and we do have the power

:58:55.:58:57.

to set codes of practice, that is the limit of our powers, but even

:58:58.:59:03.

then, the law says that chief officers must have regard to those

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guidance, and that is the same with this, it sets the standards, chief

:59:09.:59:12.

officers must take this into account when they are making their decisions

:59:13.:59:16.

and if things happen that go outside that guidance, they will have do

:59:17.:59:22.

explain that. What sort of sanctions are available to chief constables?

:59:23.:59:27.

This guidance is one part of the framework of controls and

:59:28.:59:31.

regulations. I am asking what sanctions are available if an

:59:32.:59:33.

undercover officer has sex with someone they shouldn't have? There

:59:34.:59:39.

is the potential for disciplinary procedures to happen and the

:59:40.:59:42.

opposite could lose their job, but the college policing is not the only

:59:43.:59:47.

body that works here. We have an independent body and also the

:59:48.:59:51.

investigatory Powers Tribunal, where people can appeal if they feel

:59:52.:59:56.

covert tactics have been used by any public body in an inappropriate way.

:59:57.:59:59.

We are trying to set the standards for policing said the public can

:00:00.:00:03.

have confidence about the standards the College of policing is setting

:00:04.:00:07.

for policing and people can see the guidance and give feedback and we

:00:08.:00:10.

would be pleased to hear from the public around what they feel the

:00:11.:00:13.

guidelines state and whether they can be improved. This is a six-week

:00:14.:00:19.

consultation. Thank you very much, all of you. David Tucker, Harriet

:00:20.:00:30.

and Lisa. Not her real name, she was in a relationship for six years with

:00:31.:00:34.

Mark Kennedy, an undercover officer who went under the name Mark Stone.

:00:35.:00:39.

Time for the weather and here is John. When a summer arriving?

:00:40.:00:46.

Do you really want another forecast? Time to look away.

:00:47.:00:53.

There is no prospect of anything remotely summer-like in the next

:00:54.:01:00.

week or so. Yes, this is the sort of temperature range which we should be

:01:01.:01:04.

seeing at the moment. Up to the low 20s in a good few places. Instead,

:01:05.:01:08.

we're more like the mid-teens across the country through today and some

:01:09.:01:11.

places, you know, will struggle to get above 10 or 11 Celsius with a

:01:12.:01:16.

lot more rain piling in from the west. It is raining across western

:01:17.:01:21.

areas. That's going to sweep its way across the country. Bad news for

:01:22.:01:26.

Wimbledon, of course, it will clear up overnight. A fat lot of good that

:01:27.:01:31.

is, yes through the small hours of the night it will be dry basically.

:01:32.:01:34.

Just the odd shower across Scotland. It will be a cool one. A fresh start

:01:35.:01:38.

tomorrow. Tomorrow, actually a better day. There will be more dry

:01:39.:01:43.

weather and less rain, but we will see some showery bursts pushing

:01:44.:01:45.

across the country. It is difficult to nail down the detail, but expect

:01:46.:01:50.

rain at some stage through tomorrow, but a better day on balance, but it

:01:51.:01:55.

won't feel much warmer. Temperatures below par, mid to high teens and it

:01:56.:01:59.

stays showery right the way through to the weekend as well.

:02:00.:02:04.

I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme

:02:05.:02:08.

Turkish officials blame Islamic State for the attack on Istanbul's

:02:09.:02:24.

Airport. The biggest jobs in politics are up

:02:25.:02:32.

for grabs. Today we'll find out

:02:33.:02:36.

who plans to run for Prime Minister, while more pressure mounts on Labour

:02:37.:02:38.

leader Jeremy Corbyn to stand down. As MPs meet to discuss the rise

:02:39.:02:41.

in racism since the referendum vote. We'll be speaking to Muslims

:02:42.:02:44.

and hearing first hard the abuse they've experience

:02:45.:02:47.

since last Friday. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

:02:48.:02:53.

with a summary of today's news. Our top story today,

:02:54.:03:01.

Terror in Turkey, at least 36 people are now known

:03:02.:03:03.

to have been killed and more than 140 injured in an attack

:03:04.:03:06.

on Istanbul's Ataturk International Three suicide bombers began shooting

:03:07.:03:09.

inside and outside the terminal, The Turkish Prime Minister said it

:03:10.:03:12.

looked like Islamic State was behind the attack,

:03:13.:03:17.

as Tom Donkin reports. Ataturk Airport this morning, debris

:03:18.:03:29.

was being cleared as investigators examined the scene of last night's

:03:30.:03:37.

attack. Keep down. Keep down. This was the panic in the departure area

:03:38.:03:42.

as three attackers carried out a co-ordinated gun and bomb attack,

:03:43.:03:45.

killing dozens and injuring many more. The three began shooting

:03:46.:03:51.

inside and outside the departure area. One was shot by police before

:03:52.:03:58.

detonating his bomb. Two other explosions, also believed to be

:03:59.:04:03.

suicide bombers, took place. TRANSLATION: They were shooting at

:04:04.:04:06.

the police and the police were shooting at them. Someone next to us

:04:07.:04:11.

got shot. Then we saw the bomb and the x-ray machine explode. Everybody

:04:12.:04:15.

around it died in that blast. This is one of Europe's busiest

:04:16.:04:20.

airports. 61 million people used it last year. It was always seen as a

:04:21.:04:25.

vulnerable target for terrorists, despite tight security. The Turkish

:04:26.:04:30.

Prime Minister blamed this attack on so-called Islamic State.

:04:31.:04:35.

TRANSLATION: The first findings from our security officials are that the

:04:36.:04:40.

terrorist attack was carried out by Daesh. But the investigation is

:04:41.:04:47.

ongoing. The airport is now functional again. This attack, on

:04:48.:04:53.

Istanbul's main airport, is the latest in a wave of bombings in

:04:54.:04:59.

Istanbul and the capital ks Ankara that killed 200 people in the last

:05:00.:05:03.

few months. They have been linked to Islamic State or Kurdish

:05:04.:05:06.

separatists. Today Ataturk Airport reopened, but a third of flights

:05:07.:05:10.

have been cancelled. Security has been stepped up and the British

:05:11.:05:14.

Government has warned further attacks in Turkey or likely and may

:05:15.:05:16.

target places visited by foreigners. Richard Kalnins is a businessman

:05:17.:05:24.

who had just arrived on an international flight

:05:25.:05:26.

when the airport was attacked. He described the panic

:05:27.:05:28.

and confusion that he witnessed. We were headed towards the passport

:05:29.:05:39.

control area in the airport when people started shouting and running

:05:40.:05:43.

towards us. People were screaming that there had been a bomb and

:05:44.:05:48.

screaming about gunfire. I turned around and started running the

:05:49.:05:51.

opposite direction. It was that of panic. That of chaos, people falling

:05:52.:05:56.

on the ground. The crowd moved into a corner that ended up being a

:05:57.:06:01.

dead-end which led to a lot of panic. People didn't know what to

:06:02.:06:02.

do. Nominations open today

:06:03.:06:05.

in the contest to replace David Cameron as leader

:06:06.:06:06.

of the Conservative Party and become Boris Johnson and Theresa May

:06:07.:06:09.

are expected to be Yesterday, the Work

:06:10.:06:12.

and Pensions Secretary Stephen Crabb announced he will be running

:06:13.:06:15.

for the position. Candidates have until noon

:06:16.:06:17.

tomorrow to come forward. The kaedation second, nishgy Morgan

:06:18.:06:25.

says she is considering running. Jeremy Corbyn is insisting

:06:26.:06:31.

that he won't resign as leader of the Labour party -

:06:32.:06:33.

despite a large majority of Labour MPs voting for a motion of no

:06:34.:06:36.

confidence in him yesterday. The party looks to be heading

:06:37.:06:39.

for a leadership contest because of his refusal

:06:40.:06:41.

to stand down. It's thought a challenger could come

:06:42.:06:43.

forward as early as today. Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell,

:06:44.:06:48.

an ally of Jeremy Corbyn, has insisted today that Labour Mps

:06:49.:06:50.

must play by the rules. All I would say is we must play

:06:51.:06:53.

by the rules but also, we need to calm down,

:06:54.:06:56.

the country is facing some really serious risks at the moment

:06:57.:06:59.

and we have a job as MPs to protect the people who might

:07:00.:07:04.

be affected by that. They are largely the most

:07:05.:07:09.

vulnerable, so that's If there is to be a democratic

:07:10.:07:11.

election in the party, that is fine, ask the MPs to play by the rules

:07:12.:07:16.

but in the meantime, let's do our job and protect

:07:17.:07:19.

the interests of the country. Scotland's First Minister Nicola

:07:20.:07:22.

Sturgeon will meet the president of the European Commission,

:07:23.:07:25.

Jean-Claude Juncker, this afternoon in Brussels,

:07:26.:07:26.

to discuss what kind of relationship Scotland might have with the EU

:07:27.:07:29.

after the UK voted to leave. After meeting the European

:07:30.:07:31.

Parliament President, Martin Schultz, she said that

:07:32.:07:33.

Scotland was determined A television advert

:07:34.:07:35.

for the anti-inflammatory drug Nurofen has been banned for falsely

:07:36.:07:40.

claiming that it could specifically 18 people complained that the advert

:07:41.:07:42.

for Nurofen Joint and Back appeared to show the drug travelling

:07:43.:07:47.

to specific centres of pain The Advertising Standards Authority

:07:48.:07:49.

said viewers were likely to infer that it had a special ingredient

:07:50.:07:55.

or mechanism that specifically sought out sources of pain

:07:56.:07:57.

rather than being just Scotty Moore, the pioneering rock

:07:58.:07:59.

guitarist who was a member of Elvis Presley's original band,

:08:00.:08:07.

has died at the age of 84. Friends say Moore died in Nashville

:08:08.:08:10.

after several months of poor health. He's credited with helping Elvis

:08:11.:08:14.

shape his fresh blend of blues, gospel and country that came

:08:15.:08:17.

to be called rock'n'roll. Some even describe him

:08:18.:08:21.

as the musician who helped That's a summary of

:08:22.:08:26.

the latest BBC News. Thanks for your messages about the

:08:27.:08:41.

Labour Party. On whatsapp, this viewer doesn't leave their name.

:08:42.:08:45.

"There is no one in the Labour Party that can win a general election.

:08:46.:08:48.

Corbyn cannot reach out and connect with enough people to win an

:08:49.:08:52.

election. Even if all the Labour voters voted for Labour in a general

:08:53.:08:54.

election, that wouldn't be enough. They need to penetrate the Tory vote

:08:55.:08:58.

and Ukip too. The best Corbyn can do is maintain the current support."

:08:59.:09:05.

This tweet from Jane, "I'm disappointed in Angela Eagle, she is

:09:06.:09:10.

the Labour MP who it is reported is going to challenge Jeremy Corbyn for

:09:11.:09:16.

the Labour leadership. ." This tweet from another viewer, "Jeremy is the

:09:17.:09:20.

choice of the members. He is the only person to offer an alternative

:09:21.:09:24.

that will bring voters back to us." This from John, "I cannot believe

:09:25.:09:31.

the lack of strong personalities in the Labour Party, leaderless,

:09:32.:09:33.

rudderless and weak." Keep your comments coming in.

:09:34.:09:38.

He could be the most popular Englishman in sport at the moment.

:09:39.:09:44.

This man, Marcus Willis, has shot to fame after

:09:45.:09:47.

winning his opening match at Wimbledon on Monday.

:09:48.:09:51.

He's ranked 772 in the world and today he faces a dream tie

:09:52.:09:54.

against seven-time champion Roger Federer.

:09:55.:09:57.

He's earned about ?200 so far this year, but is now guaranteed at least

:09:58.:10:00.

To put that into perspective, Federer has pocketed more

:10:01.:10:03.

Willis was going to quit at the end of the year, but his girlfriend

:10:04.:10:20.

persuaded him to carry on. Along with Willis, Andy Murray made

:10:21.:10:22.

it through to the second round too. In the battle of the Brits, Murray

:10:23.:10:25.

made light work of Liam Broady. The world number two Murray saw off

:10:26.:10:28.

the world number 235 on Centre Court, in the first

:10:29.:10:31.

all-British meeting at Wimbledon Britain's other number one

:10:32.:10:33.

Johanna Konta's first match She's a set up against

:10:34.:10:38.

Puerto Rico's Monica Pweeg. Britain's number four though,

:10:39.:10:46.

Tara Moore, is already through. The fall-out from England's

:10:47.:10:48.

embarrassing exit from the Euros The latest is that Gareth Southgate,

:10:49.:10:54.

the England under-21 boss, could take over the senior team

:10:55.:11:01.

temporarily, while the FA looks for a long-term successor for Roy

:11:02.:11:03.

Hodgson. Hodgson resigned on Monday

:11:04.:11:05.

after England's 2-1 loss to Iceland. The weather, quite fittingly,

:11:06.:11:13.

grey and miserable. Hodgson, somewhat reluctantly, spoke

:11:14.:11:15.

to the media before the flight. He said there were no "magic

:11:16.:11:22.

answers" to explain One particularly bad game has caused

:11:23.:11:36.

a lot of damage to me personally, to the team, and even to the team going

:11:37.:11:42.

forward because now they've got a major bridge to repair had we played

:11:43.:11:48.

better last night would maybe not need repairing.

:11:49.:11:51.

Let's turn our attention to the last remaining Home Nation

:11:52.:11:53.

They play their quarter final against Belgium on Friday,

:11:54.:11:56.

but at a press conference yesterday they faced questions on this video

:11:57.:11:59.

that has emerged on social media - where they are enthusiastically

:12:00.:12:02.

celebrating that Iceland victory over England.

:12:03.:12:03.

Full-back Chris Gunter tried to explain the players reaction.

:12:04.:12:13.

I think if you asked the squad as whole, maybe it is a selfish point

:12:14.:12:20.

of view, there would be, Wales are proud to be the last home nations

:12:21.:12:24.

team left in the tournament. We've come such a long way and football

:12:25.:12:30.

has a funny way of bringing out emotions as we have seen, you know,

:12:31.:12:34.

when we played them a couple of weeks ago. But it certainly wasn't

:12:35.:12:36.

meant to come across in that way. Wales and Belgium live

:12:37.:12:45.

on BBC One on Friday, We will talk to more people caught

:12:46.:13:01.

up in the bomb and gun attack in Turkey.

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Any Tory MP who wants to be the next Conservative leader -

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and next Prime Minister - has just over 24 hours left

:13:07.:13:09.

They need to be nominated by two other MPs to get

:13:10.:13:13.

If there are three or more candidates, a ballot or series

:13:14.:13:17.

of ballots will be held of all the party's 331 MPs

:13:18.:13:19.

After that, there's a vote of the wider party,

:13:20.:13:26.

all Conservative members will have a say.

:13:27.:13:28.

It's that vote that will choose the winner.

:13:29.:13:30.

So far we know Boris Johnson and Theresa May are standing,

:13:31.:13:40.

and today the Work and Pensions Secretary a man called

:13:41.:13:45.

Stephen Crabb has thrown his hat into the ring.

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Let's talk to Norman at Westminster.

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Who is Stephen Crabb? He is the Work and Pensions Secretary. He is

:13:54.:13:59.

pitching himself as the blue collar Tory, trying to appeal to less

:14:00.:14:03.

affluent working class Tories. He points to his success when he was

:14:04.:14:06.

Welsh Secretary and the Tories doing better than they've done for years

:14:07.:14:12.

in Wales which is not traditional Tory

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PROBLEM WITH SOUND I have got a list. There are eight,

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eight potential contenders which makes them well, makes them the

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fourth biggest party in Parliament at the moment, bigger than the Lib

:14:24.:14:27.

Dems. Let me run through them, Boris Johnson, you mentioned, Theresa May,

:14:28.:14:30.

Stephen Crabb, Jeremy Hunt the Health Secretary he is standing as

:14:31.:14:33.

the sort of go slow candidate on Brexit. He wants to have a second

:14:34.:14:39.

referendum on Brexit and Andrea Led some, she is one of the leading

:14:40.:14:42.

Leave campaigners and did well in the TV debates. She got a lot of

:14:43.:14:47.

kudos for the way she handled the TV debates and Nicki Morgan, the

:14:48.:14:51.

Education Secretary. She is pitching herself as the sort of Tory who will

:14:52.:14:55.

take the party out of its ideological comfort zone. She

:14:56.:14:58.

doesn't want the party to lurch to the right. Liam Fox, former Defence

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Secretary, we mention mentioned him yesterday. He is pitching himself as

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the Brexit candidate who is not as divisive as Boris Johnson. Lastly, a

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backbencher called John Baron. He campaigned for Britain to leave the

:15:16.:15:20.

EU for yongs and he is the man who says we'll make sure the Tory Party

:15:21.:15:24.

delivers on Brexit. Now, a lot of them have been out and about this

:15:25.:15:28.

morning. I kind of think the most interesting person I've spoken to is

:15:29.:15:32.

the Education Secretary, Nicki Morgan because of what she is

:15:33.:15:36.

saying. It probably won't help her get elected, but two things that

:15:37.:15:39.

leapt out at me, one, she thinks if the wake of the Brexit vote, many

:15:40.:15:43.

younger voters frankly feel cheesed off and she is says there is a need

:15:44.:15:46.

for the Conservative Party to make a big offer to them. So she favours

:15:47.:15:51.

votes for 16 and 17-year-olds and she thinks the Tory Party needs to

:15:52.:15:56.

have a grown-up debate on immigration and that the way the

:15:57.:16:04.

Leave campaign pitched itself on immigration in her words, "Unleashed

:16:05.:16:07.

unacceptable forces in society." Let's have a listen.

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Element of the Leave Campaign have unleashed are emboldened elements we

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are seeing now in society and it is shameful, that is not what Britain

:16:24.:16:29.

is about, it is about tolerance and we had to make a positive case for

:16:30.:16:36.

image Gration -- immigration. It is not just about tolerance, it is not

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just about numbers, and as Education Secretary, I was talking about

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British values in schools. Over the next 40 hours, Boris Johnson, Mark

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one, the socially liberal London Mayor Boris Johnson re-emerging and

:16:51.:16:57.

Boris Johnson Mark two, the populist Brexit leader going to the side and

:16:58.:17:01.

he will be making a conscious pitch to reach out to one Nation Tories,

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so figures like Nicholas Soames, who spent much of a campaign beating

:17:07.:17:09.

Boris around the head, they say they are now going to support him. Even

:17:10.:17:14.

leading you remain campaigners, figures like Liz truss, pictured

:17:15.:17:20.

next to George Osborne with his dossier of doom, she was right up

:17:21.:17:24.

there with George Osborne, saying she is going to throw in her lot

:17:25.:17:28.

with Boris Johnson and I put it to her, hang on a sec, a few weeks ago,

:17:29.:17:32.

you were saying a few weeks ago that Boris Johnson would lead us to

:17:33.:17:35.

disaster and cost households thousands of money and now you are

:17:36.:17:41.

saying we should support him, how is that possible? I believe that we

:17:42.:17:44.

should listen to the British public. They have been very clear in

:17:45.:17:51.

expressing their view of what the future of our relationship with the

:17:52.:17:54.

EU European Union looks like. I argued the pet case passionately --

:17:55.:18:01.

the case passionately, they argued their case passionately and the

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Leeds side won and we now have two have someone leading the

:18:05.:18:10.

deliberations so we deliver them. Stephen Crabb, who we mentioned as

:18:11.:18:15.

another of the Remain campaigners is going on a joint ticket with

:18:16.:18:19.

another, Sajid Javid, the Business Secretary, said they are tilting

:18:20.:18:23.

against the forces of Brexit but they think they can still succeed in

:18:24.:18:27.

pitching for the leadership, because, in their view, the public

:18:28.:18:32.

have spoken and now everyone has got to be in effect a Brexiteer, that

:18:33.:18:36.

was the message this morning from Sajid Javid. The decision clearly

:18:37.:18:43.

has been made and the instructions to Government, to Parliament, have

:18:44.:18:47.

been issued, and that is the job of the next Government, to implement

:18:48.:18:50.

that. There will be no going back on that decision, there is no second

:18:51.:18:54.

referendum and it is all about implementation and who are the best

:18:55.:18:59.

team to get this done. So there is no distinction anymore between

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someone was a Brexiteer or a Remain Campaigner, in a sense we are now

:19:06.:19:09.

all Brexiteers and we need to come together with the right leadership

:19:10.:19:13.

to implement the people's decision. And we used the term "One nation

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Conservative" I think I remember Ed Miliband talking about a one Nation

:19:19.:19:22.

Labour but it doesn't necessarily feel like we are one nation after

:19:23.:19:27.

the referendum vote. What does it mean? It is an historical Tory term

:19:28.:19:32.

that goes all the way back to Disraeli in the 19th century when he

:19:33.:19:36.

wanted to recast the Conservative Party as not just the party of the

:19:37.:19:40.

rich and the landlords, he wanted to reach out to the whole of society,

:19:41.:19:45.

so it has become a sort of symbol for a more inclusive sort of

:19:46.:19:48.

Conservative Party. Now, everyone talks about one Nation Toryism,

:19:49.:19:56.

because it is better to be inclusive rather than divisive, but in the

:19:57.:20:00.

wake of the Brexit campaign, there is a real imperative that whoever is

:20:01.:20:04.

going to take over as obviously got to try and bring the nation together

:20:05.:20:07.

in the wake of what I think most people acknowledge as being a

:20:08.:20:10.

profoundly, profoundly divisive campaign. So they are all going to

:20:11.:20:16.

talk one Nation because that is the sort of name of the game now and

:20:17.:20:20.

trying to repair some of the divisions and disharmony and

:20:21.:20:23.

acrimony created by the Brexit referendum. Thank you very much,

:20:24.:20:24.

Norman. Let's talk to two people who did

:20:25.:20:27.

decide to try and become Mark Oaten stood to be

:20:28.:20:31.

the Liberal Democrat leader in 2006, but withdrew from the race

:20:32.:20:35.

because of a lack of support. A couple of days later,

:20:36.:20:38.

the News of the World reported he'd Natalie Bennett has been the leader

:20:39.:20:41.

of the Green Party for four years, but announced in May

:20:42.:20:47.

that she will be standing Thank you both of you for coming on

:20:48.:20:57.

the programme. I want to talk to you about what you have do take into

:20:58.:21:01.

account before you put your name forward. Mark, what are the top five

:21:02.:21:06.

things you have to consider? The things you should consider are

:21:07.:21:10.

probably a very set of organised, rational arguments. In reality, it

:21:11.:21:14.

is other things that get in the way. There is certainly an element of ego

:21:15.:21:19.

you start reading about your name in the newspaper, colleagues, due you

:21:20.:21:25.

suddenly get this attention -- colleagues come up to you. That is

:21:26.:21:29.

not a good reason to do the job. You look at who will back you, you are

:21:30.:21:32.

taking calculations and judgments, you look at what the bookies are

:21:33.:21:36.

saying and it is all of these factors. You are worn out and

:21:37.:21:41.

exhausted and making very, very bad decisions, probably based on

:21:42.:21:45.

irrational reasons. What about, thinking about the scrutiny, your

:21:46.:21:50.

family and work/life balance? I think you will talk to family and

:21:51.:21:53.

obviously make to want -- want to make sure they are comfortable with

:21:54.:21:56.

it but it is very hard for family and friends to give you an honest

:21:57.:22:00.

reply because they are also getting wrapped up in it, they are being

:22:01.:22:04.

taught to by their friends, "Your partner is running the leader, what

:22:05.:22:08.

a great idea." So everybody gets wrapped up in a bubble and it is

:22:09.:22:11.

difficult for somebody to sit down and say don't be so crazy, this is a

:22:12.:22:17.

hugely bad idea. Natalie Bennett, did anybody sit you down and say

:22:18.:22:20.

don't be so crazy when you put yourself forward to be leaders of

:22:21.:22:23.

the greens -- a leader of the Greens? It was a different party

:22:24.:22:29.

then, we had 30,000 members and we now have 60,000. The scrutiny levels

:22:30.:22:33.

for the job was very different to how it became. What did you take

:22:34.:22:39.

into account? I had a lovely plan to have a lovely leisurely here writing

:22:40.:22:44.

a book having just taken voluntary redundancy of from the Guardian

:22:45.:22:50.

weekly, and then Caroline Lucas said she was not freestanding filleted

:22:51.:22:53.

and I knew immediately people would ask me to stand. How did you know?

:22:54.:23:00.

Is it because you had a big ego? Well, it turned out to be true, it

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was just a reflection. I had to be persuaded. Why did you have to be

:23:06.:23:12.

persuaded? I had a life plan to go in one direction but then I saw this

:23:13.:23:16.

challenge and I thought I could see what the Green Party could become,

:23:17.:23:19.

what the possibilities are and what our place in British politics should

:23:20.:23:23.

be and I think I have a plan to do that and it wasn't so much me as a

:23:24.:23:26.

personality I was thinking about, it was how do we use this post and the

:23:27.:23:32.

job as leader? For me, it is what is your mission? One of the interesting

:23:33.:23:37.

question about the Tories, why are they doing this, personal ambition

:23:38.:23:43.

or a project they want to achieve? A bit of both. Mark, why did you pull

:23:44.:23:48.

out of the leadership race? I wasn't enjoying it, I knew I couldn't win

:23:49.:23:51.

and it was something I was feeling uncomfortable with. I was finding

:23:52.:23:55.

journalists outside my house from five in the morning through until

:23:56.:24:00.

the evening. Were you surprised by that? I was totally naive and

:24:01.:24:05.

surprised that the interest. You can be a junior spokesman or a

:24:06.:24:09.

spokesman, but the minute you run for leader, the whole rules of

:24:10.:24:13.

engagement change and the scrutiny becomes so much higher and the

:24:14.:24:16.

intense interest in you becomes higher and it is scary. Let's talk

:24:17.:24:22.

about the intensity and you became the subject of a News of the World

:24:23.:24:26.

story afterwards. What happened? My phone was hacked, and it was all

:24:27.:24:32.

over the newspapers, I was having an affair. So it was after you pulled

:24:33.:24:37.

out? I guess they were waiting to see my market value went up, it was

:24:38.:24:41.

intense scrutiny, house was surrounded but I bought it on

:24:42.:24:48.

myself. -- brought it on myself. You then went on Newsnight at their came

:24:49.:24:51.

out and let's listen to what you said.

:24:52.:24:53.

I think I have learned a lot more about why I and other politicians go

:24:54.:24:58.

off the rails. The first is the kind of people politicians are, what is

:24:59.:25:02.

it in our DNA that makes us take risks? And the second factor is the

:25:03.:25:06.

building itself, Westminster. It is unreal. You take the politician and

:25:07.:25:11.

put themselves into the own real world. The third missing element is

:25:12.:25:14.

you are in the public eye and the tabloid press are looking to catch

:25:15.:25:19.

you out. And this creates a time bomb ticking away. Some survive it,

:25:20.:25:24.

others don't and I am one of the ones that didn't. Was standing the

:25:25.:25:31.

worst experience of your life? At the time, yes, but ten years on, you

:25:32.:25:34.

look back and it is important you don't regret things and one of the

:25:35.:25:38.

reasons candidates now will be making a judgment as to whether or

:25:39.:25:42.

stand -- to stand or not is the slight fear that if they don't, they

:25:43.:25:45.

will regret it for the rest of their lives. It will scratch away at them,

:25:46.:25:50.

should I have stood? It is a human calculation and despite all the

:25:51.:25:53.

politics and passion about what you believe in, this is ultimately an

:25:54.:25:58.

individual, private decision that individuals take and lots of factors

:25:59.:26:01.

way outside of politics will be on their minds. Any regrets about your

:26:02.:26:08.

time as leader of the Greens? Absolutely not. When I look back and

:26:09.:26:12.

Pat how far the party has come, the wonderful experiences I had,

:26:13.:26:16.

travelling around the country, going to projects... What has been the

:26:17.:26:20.

worst bit? Obviously the media scrutiny and the election campaign.

:26:21.:26:27.

Will you forgive me if I play the LBC interview? What we are looking

:26:28.:26:34.

at in terms of the figures here, what we need to do is actually... We

:26:35.:26:43.

are looking at a total spending of two points 7 billion. How are you

:26:44.:26:50.

going to play -- pay for the land? What we are looking at doing is

:26:51.:26:56.

basically... SHE COUGHS. Are OK? As you can

:26:57.:27:04.

probably hear, I have a huge cold. How do you reflect on that now? I

:27:05.:27:09.

made a mistake that morning that I shouldn't be there, I was in a unfit

:27:10.:27:14.

condition and the error will follow me around for the rest of my life

:27:15.:27:18.

and I am resigned to the fact, but the general public, when I meet

:27:19.:27:23.

people, it is not what they talk about or raise. People understand

:27:24.:27:26.

the Green Party's policies, values and principles and they appreciate

:27:27.:27:29.

the fact that we have been putting them forward with increasing

:27:30.:27:34.

strength and that is what the general public is thinking. The

:27:35.:27:36.

general public are thinking about bigger things and bigger issues,

:27:37.:27:40.

particularly when we think about the state of the country at the moment.

:27:41.:27:44.

The issues are people want to hear honest voices presenting real

:27:45.:27:48.

choices. One word of advice, if you would be so bold, to anybody

:27:49.:27:52.

thinking of standing for the Tory party leadership or potentially the

:27:53.:27:56.

Labour Party leadership? Put yourself in a room, with no advice,

:27:57.:28:00.

for ten minutes and really figure it out without anyone telling you what

:28:01.:28:06.

to do. Thank you very much. Still to come, as England licks its wounds

:28:07.:28:11.

after being knocked out of Euro 2016, who should replace Roy Hodgson

:28:12.:28:12.

as England's next manager? Since last Thursday's referendum

:28:13.:28:16.

vote, you'll probably have heard the term,

:28:17.:28:18.

"Article 50" hundreds of times. Article 50 refers to the moment

:28:19.:28:21.

we trigger the beginning of our exit As soon as we press the button,

:28:22.:28:25.

then the UK has two years Now divorce is on the cards,

:28:26.:28:33.

what happens next? Well, it could be messy,

:28:34.:28:43.

and it could take some time. First things first -

:28:44.:28:45.

remember that deal David Cameron I believe that this is enough for me

:28:46.:28:49.

to recommend that the United Kingdom Well, forget that, it's

:28:50.:28:55.

completely off the table. Instead, we'll be hearing

:28:56.:29:01.

a lot about this. When the Article 50

:29:02.:29:03.

process is triggered... Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty sets

:29:04.:29:09.

out how a country can leave the EU. It gives a deadline -

:29:10.:29:14.

two years to negotiate a break-up, and that's it, though it can

:29:15.:29:21.

be extended if all 27 Once the wheels are in motion,

:29:22.:29:23.

the UK is not allowed to take part We would then have 24

:29:24.:29:30.

months to negotiate The key questions -

:29:31.:29:37.

what taxes and restrictions, if any, will our goods and services face,

:29:38.:29:46.

what will happen to EU workers inside the UK,

:29:47.:29:49.

and what happens to the 1.2 million British citizens living

:29:50.:29:53.

in other European countries? At the same time, we can start

:29:54.:29:58.

to disentangle 40 years of EU law from our own British law,

:29:59.:30:02.

so for example many environmental regulations and consumer rights

:30:03.:30:06.

were written in Brussels - Who's going to be in

:30:07.:30:10.

charge of all this? Well, here's the thing -

:30:11.:30:16.

we haven't officially said we want to use Article 50 yet,

:30:17.:30:18.

so that clock hasn't started ticking, and it's very unlikely that

:30:19.:30:22.

will happen until we get a new Prime Minister in September,

:30:23.:30:26.

or even until elections in France and Germany

:30:27.:30:29.

are out of the way in 2017. When it does all start,

:30:30.:30:35.

expect some intense negotiations Many people think full Brexit

:30:36.:30:38.

is unlikely to happen before Jeremy You can find that film on our

:30:39.:30:43.

programme page. Still to come, we will talk to

:30:44.:31:06.

someone who escaped the terror attack in Turkey. That to come in

:31:07.:31:10.

the next 30 minutes. Someone who was actually at the airport and changed

:31:11.:31:14.

their travel plans at the last minute.

:31:15.:31:19.

With the news, here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom.

:31:20.:31:22.

At least 36 people are now known to have been killed and more

:31:23.:31:25.

than 140 injured in an attack on Istanbul's Ataturk

:31:26.:31:28.

Three suicide bombers began shooting inside and outside the terminal,

:31:29.:31:31.

The Turkish Prime Minister said it looked like Islamic State

:31:32.:31:35.

Nominations are opening in the contest to replace

:31:36.:31:46.

David Cameron as leader of the Conservative Party and become

:31:47.:31:48.

Boris Johnson and Theresa May are expected to be

:31:49.:31:51.

Yesterday, the Work and Pensions Secretary Stephen Crabb

:31:52.:31:54.

announced he will be running for the position

:31:55.:31:56.

and the Education Secretary Nicky Morgan is also

:31:57.:31:58.

Candidates have until noon tomorrow to declare.

:31:59.:32:04.

Jeremy Corbyn is insisting that he won't resign as leader

:32:05.:32:10.

of the Labour Party despite a large majority of Labour MPs

:32:11.:32:12.

voting for a motion of no confidence in him yesterday.

:32:13.:32:15.

The party looks to be heading for a leadership contest

:32:16.:32:17.

because of his refusal to stand down.

:32:18.:32:19.

It's thought a challenger could come forward as early as today.

:32:20.:32:22.

Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell, an ally of Jeremy Corbyn,

:32:23.:32:24.

has insisted today that Labour MPs must play by the rules.

:32:25.:32:38.

A rule book for police working undercover in England and Wales has

:32:39.:32:46.

been published. It bans sexual relations and says there must be

:32:47.:32:50.

regular scik tritesting. Lisa, not her real name,

:32:51.:32:57.

had a six year relationship with Mark Kennedy while he was

:32:58.:32:59.

working as an undercover officer. It was like a bereavement except it

:33:00.:33:10.

is not that your partner doesn't exist anymore, it is that they never

:33:11.:33:14.

existed in the first place and the kind of hole that leaves right in

:33:15.:33:19.

the centre of your being is really, really hard to fill and that's

:33:20.:33:22.

something that's going to take years to come, I think.

:33:23.:33:26.

Toyota is recalling nearly 1.5 million cars worldwide.

:33:27.:33:28.

There are concerns about the safety of the air bags in some Prius

:33:29.:33:32.

and Lexus hybrid models which were first sold

:33:33.:33:34.

The company said it was not aware of any injuries or deaths

:33:35.:33:38.

A summary of the latest news, join me for BBC

:33:39.:33:48.

Here's the day's main sport stories now with Jessica.

:33:49.:33:53.

Wimbledon's newest home favourite Marcus Willis goes up against seven

:33:54.:33:59.

time champion Roger Federer this afternoon in the second round.

:34:00.:34:01.

Willis is ranked 772 in the world and almost quit the sport

:34:02.:34:06.

at the start of the year before being persuaded to carry

:34:07.:34:08.

Andy Murray is also through to the second round.

:34:09.:34:14.

He'll play Yen Sun Lu of China after being fellow

:34:15.:34:17.

England under-21 boss Gareth Southgate could be

:34:18.:34:22.

the senior team temporarily until a successor for

:34:23.:34:25.

The England team arrived back in Luton Airport yesterday

:34:26.:34:35.

after their embarrassing exit from Euro 2016.

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They lost 2-1 to Iceland in the last 16 on Monday night.

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Thorz are all the headlines for this morning, Victoria. Thank you very

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much. So another terror attack at another

:34:45.:34:48.

international airport just three months after the bombings

:34:49.:34:50.

in Brussels, three suicide bombers have caused devastation

:34:51.:34:52.

at Istanbul's Atatruk Airport, killing at least 36 people

:34:53.:34:54.

and wounding more than 140. The Turkish Prime Minister says it

:34:55.:35:08.

looks like the terrorist group, Islamic State carried out the

:35:09.:35:12.

attack. Let's talk to Frank Gardner, our security correspondent, it could

:35:13.:35:16.

be Islamic State, it could be the PKK, the Kurdish group, what are

:35:17.:35:18.

your thoughts at this point? I don't think it is the PKK and I'll tell

:35:19.:35:22.

you why. I mean, I maybe proved wrong, but this is an international

:35:23.:35:27.

attack. Istanbul is the third busiest airport in Europe. It is the

:35:28.:35:32.

busiest Turkish airport. If you want to make a global splash and not just

:35:33.:35:37.

take on the Turkish state by attacking policemen and global posts

:35:38.:35:41.

and kill international travellers, this is the place to do it. So it is

:35:42.:35:46.

almost certainly going to be so-called Islamic State. You know, a

:35:47.:35:51.

firearms attack, what the military calls a complex attack, a

:35:52.:35:55.

combination of explosives and gunshots, guys wandering around

:35:56.:35:58.

inside looking for targets, similar in a way to what we saw in Mumbai,

:35:59.:36:03.

the pattern was set in 2008, in that attack, similar to Brussels, similar

:36:04.:36:07.

in a way to Paris, although smaller scale. There has been very little

:36:08.:36:11.

chatter about it so far, but it is not unusual that IS has not claimed

:36:12.:36:17.

emead jat responsibility. They -- immediate responsibility. They never

:36:18.:36:23.

claim for attacks on the state, only on activists, but I would be

:36:24.:36:26.

surprised if it was not Islamic State. Turkey has a serious problem

:36:27.:36:31.

with terrorism. A number incidents last year, Ankara, Istanbul, a

:36:32.:36:35.

number incidents this, now the airport. There are questions from

:36:36.:36:38.

citizens, from the opposition parties there, to the Prime

:36:39.:36:41.

Minister, why aren't you doing more to protect us? Well, Turkey is a

:36:42.:36:46.

victim of both its geography and its politics. It has a 900 kilometre

:36:47.:36:53.

border with Syria. A country that's embroiled in a civil war. Parts of

:36:54.:37:00.

the border are porous. For the past five years, Turkey had an equivocal

:37:01.:37:07.

attitude to IS. They didn't see Isis as their main enemy, their main

:37:08.:37:12.

enemy remains the PKK, they bombed their bases in northern Iraq and

:37:13.:37:16.

suffered huge casualties over the years. Their enemy number two has

:37:17.:37:20.

been Syria's president, but they've cooled down on that now and they are

:37:21.:37:24.

reaching out a little bit towards Damascus and they have made peace

:37:25.:37:32.

with Israel over five years of cold peace between them. Now, they've got

:37:33.:37:37.

a lot of enemies so they've got Isis, they've got the PKK and far

:37:38.:37:41.

left revolutionaries so they have got a lot of enemies, a long porous

:37:42.:37:46.

border, there is a network of IS inside Turkey that extends into

:37:47.:37:51.

Istanbul, this is partly the people who smuggle people like the Jihadi

:37:52.:37:56.

brides coming from Britain and other European countries into Turkey.

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They're well established. And it is taken the Turk English Government a

:38:02.:38:04.

long time to crackdown on these people and stop turning a blind eye

:38:05.:38:07.

to their activities on the border. You advised President Obama's

:38:08.:38:19.

security team on so-called Islamic State, is that correct? Yes. What's

:38:20.:38:24.

your view about what happened at the International Airport in Turkey? I

:38:25.:38:28.

think many of us have been anticipating these types of attack,

:38:29.:38:31.

whether in Turkey or Europe for sometime as the coalition forces are

:38:32.:38:35.

squeezing militarily in Iraq and Syria, Isil wants to demonstrate it

:38:36.:38:39.

is still in control and wants more recruits to keep coming and it will

:38:40.:38:44.

lash out on the periphery or the near periphery which is Turkey. Big

:38:45.:38:49.

cities, big airports, across Europe, across the States, this is the new

:38:50.:38:53.

normal, we have to get used to this? What we need to find out, was this

:38:54.:38:58.

dictated by Isil core or was this a lone wolf... Why does it make a

:38:59.:39:03.

difference? If they have more of a command and control relationship in

:39:04.:39:07.

many places, it will change the tactics of the campaign, but how to

:39:08.:39:11.

crush that, if it is just lone wolves who are inspired then it is a

:39:12.:39:15.

different type of counter radicalisation campaign that many

:39:16.:39:17.

governments need to be I would say upgrading, they are already doing

:39:18.:39:20.

this already, but they need to do more in that space. Upgrading to do

:39:21.:39:25.

what? To try to stop kids being recruited whether online in mosques

:39:26.:39:31.

or in schools, if these people were coming from Syria or Iraq, and being

:39:32.:39:35.

told to go and carry out a particular type of campaign. Frank

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Gardner, I don't know if you know this airport, but they have security

:39:41.:39:44.

scanners at the doors. So they're bringing the security forward. In

:39:45.:39:48.

the end if somebody wants to, you know, shoot a Kalashnikov and blow

:39:49.:39:53.

themselves up, it doesn't matter where the scanners are, does it?

:39:54.:39:58.

Yeah, I was in Ataturk Airport last year and security is OK there. It is

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not bad. I mean, some of the tighter security airports in the world you

:40:05.:40:08.

can go straight into, but there are people watching you who look like

:40:09.:40:12.

tramps, but they have got little ear pieces and they are watching every

:40:13.:40:15.

movement, they are looking for anything suspicious, there are banks

:40:16.:40:20.

of people looking at CCTV cameras, looking for any abnormal movements,

:40:21.:40:24.

sweating, somebody kind of moving in as if they are carrying something

:40:25.:40:27.

hidden under their body etcetera. The problem is if you put physical

:40:28.:40:33.

security outside the airport, you're simply creating a congestion area

:40:34.:40:37.

outside where a suicide bomber can can still walk into it and blow

:40:38.:40:40.

themselves up. There is no perfect solution to this. Brussels looked at

:40:41.:40:45.

this. I think there is a different problem in some of the European

:40:46.:40:49.

airports, Continental European airports than there is in Turkey. In

:40:50.:40:56.

places like Brussels, some of the airport workers celebrated the Paris

:40:57.:40:59.

attacks in November. Disgusting as that is. Now that, should have been

:41:00.:41:05.

investigated immediately and their licences revoked. You can't have

:41:06.:41:09.

people celebrating terrorism working in a sensitive place like an

:41:10.:41:13.

airport. That though is not, of course, an excuse to start looking

:41:14.:41:16.

at people's religious identity. Extremism is one thing and religion

:41:17.:41:24.

is another. OK. I think we can bring our audience some fresh pictures

:41:25.:41:29.

from the immediate aftermath of what happened at the airport and we will

:41:30.:41:34.

talk to John. John thank you very much for talking to us. I think you

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were standing close to where one of the bombs went off, is that correct?

:41:39.:41:45.

Yes, I was. I was going to get the later flight, but fortunately I

:41:46.:41:49.

manageded to get the earlier flight and I was lucky. At the airport

:41:50.:41:53.

there was quite a lot of at mos fear. It felt uneasy. There was a

:41:54.:41:58.

lot of security personnel around the front of the airport and it seemed

:41:59.:42:01.

it was increased and it seemed like there was panic on people's faces. I

:42:02.:42:06.

don't speak Turkish. I'm British national. It made me feel uneasy

:42:07.:42:11.

because there was increased staff there and people were rushing around

:42:12.:42:14.

a lot. This was before anything happened? Before. I got to the

:42:15.:42:20.

airport at 11 o'clock Turkish time and it was increased security. The

:42:21.:42:27.

security measures at the front of the doors, it wasn't very strict. It

:42:28.:42:31.

wasn't like you would do in one of the British airports. Right. The

:42:32.:42:36.

security is very good there, but it is not enough. John, thank you for

:42:37.:42:43.

that. Thank you. You were on President Obama's security team when

:42:44.:42:46.

it came to Islamic State, what advice did you give to him about

:42:47.:42:52.

that organisation? I was working for General Alan, the Special Envoy, but

:42:53.:42:56.

generally it is really about co-ordination, close co-ordination

:42:57.:42:59.

with allies on a number of fronts, whether it is military, intelligence

:43:00.:43:03.

sharing, messaging and trying to co-ordinate messaging, there is a

:43:04.:43:06.

bunch of activities that many countries around the world need to

:43:07.:43:10.

do and I think that type of co-ordination is even more important

:43:11.:43:13.

now. The fact that Britain has voted to leave the European Union will

:43:14.:43:16.

have any effect on that intelligence sharing? Hopefully not. Right. I

:43:17.:43:21.

think this country will need to turbo their charge in their efforts

:43:22.:43:25.

in continuing that security and intelligence sharing going forward

:43:26.:43:28.

to make sure there are no gaps. Thank you.

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On Monday, we brought you news of a number of racist incidents that

:43:39.:43:40.

people had experienced around the country since

:43:41.:43:42.

Verbal abuse, racist insults on social media, unpleasant leaflets

:43:43.:43:47.

being posted into people's homes and the theme really

:43:48.:43:53.

was, "You're an immigrant. Time for you to go home".

:43:54.:43:59.

I've not just had one. I had an array of racial abuse. At this point

:44:00.:44:14.

I would urge people to report it to the police because only by reporting

:44:15.:44:19.

these bigots can we root them out and I would like to read you an

:44:20.:44:26.

e-mail that I got which I found particularly worrying. One of these

:44:27.:44:31.

bigots went to the trouble of getting my personal e-mail. It

:44:32.:44:35.

maeds, "You are not now nor will you ever be Welsh. Being born in Wales

:44:36.:44:40.

has nothing to do with being Welsh. I cannot wait to send you and the

:44:41.:44:45.

anti-white garbage that you stand for back to the Third World dump

:44:46.:44:50.

that you came from along with some other colourful language." That's

:44:51.:44:52.

unacceptable. Today, we have some hard data -

:44:53.:44:55.

facts and figures about the number of incidents

:44:56.:44:57.

since last Friday morning. Plus, today, a group of MPs that

:44:58.:44:59.

make up the Joint Committee on Human Rights will hear evidence

:45:00.:45:02.

about the Government's plans to tackle reported rising levels

:45:03.:45:06.

of xenophobia and racism Mikdaad Versi is the

:45:07.:45:08.

Assistant General Secretary He's put together a catalogue

:45:09.:45:12.

of hate crimes reported online Harjeet Sahota says she's

:45:13.:45:16.

been abused three times Says Friday, presumably? Tell us

:45:17.:45:32.

about it. On Sunday, I was making my way back from a family wedding using

:45:33.:45:36.

public transport. The first incident was on the platform, guys yelling

:45:37.:45:40.

abuse at me to get out of the country from the other side of the

:45:41.:45:43.

platform. It was a packed platform and nobody said anything and if

:45:44.:45:46.

anything, they shared the same disgust. How do you know that? From

:45:47.:45:52.

the looks they were giving. Before they said anything, they were

:45:53.:45:57.

staring at me and I was looking behind me, what am I doing? I was

:45:58.:46:00.

not doing anything, just sitting there. I tried to board and try to

:46:01.:46:05.

sit down at a table seat and a guy got very aggressive and said I am

:46:06.:46:11.

not sitting opposite... And he used the next P word and for the next two

:46:12.:46:16.

hours, I was in shock and again, it was a full carriage and nobody said

:46:17.:46:20.

anything or intervened and he stood up and got quite aggressive and I

:46:21.:46:24.

had to move carriages. Again, it was unprovoked, I didn't do anything. I

:46:25.:46:29.

got back to London and on the overground, two guys who were

:46:30.:46:32.

drinking on the overground were looking at me and talking about me

:46:33.:46:38.

whilst looking at me, "Aren't they meant to have left yet? I am pretty

:46:39.:46:43.

sure we voted Leave, how long have we got?" I was awful, -- it was

:46:44.:46:51.

awful, I have never felt so outnumbered. Did you say anything? I

:46:52.:46:56.

asked them to repeated because I was in shock. The second time, I was,

:46:57.:47:02.

like, why can't I sit here? This person felt they had a right to tell

:47:03.:47:06.

me where I could and couldn't sit. By the time it got to the third

:47:07.:47:10.

incident, I was so fed up I just wanted to get home in one piece, I

:47:11.:47:14.

was concerned for my safety. The third incident, the two blokes

:47:15.:47:17.

drinking on the Underground in London referred to the result of the

:47:18.:47:24.

referendum. All three did. It was references to "Get out of our

:47:25.:47:30.

country", "What are you doing here? We voted leave. We gave you 48

:47:31.:47:36.

hours," I don't know where that figure came from. "It Is Sunday now,

:47:37.:47:42.

why are you still here?" What do you make of that? It is really shocking

:47:43.:47:48.

and disappointing. As a country, it is not who we are and there are so

:47:49.:47:51.

many cases that seem to have happened across the country that

:47:52.:47:55.

make it a real worry, we would need some real leadership to try and

:47:56.:48:00.

tackle this. David Cameron talked about it in the House of Commons on

:48:01.:48:03.

Monday and said it was absolutely unacceptable. Can you give us the

:48:04.:48:08.

facts and figures? We need to be clear about how many incidents there

:48:09.:48:13.

are all whether this is much more than, sadly, usual. On Friday, I

:48:14.:48:21.

started seeing some cases, let me Calais to view. Over those two days,

:48:22.:48:27.

I noticed over 100 cases of hate crime. This is not hate trolling you

:48:28.:48:32.

see quite a lot of, this is somebody saying "I got abused in this way...

:48:33.:48:40.

Somebody shouted "Leave!" People having leaflets put through their

:48:41.:48:44.

door to tell them to get out, these are worrying incidents and the Met

:48:45.:48:48.

police recently released figures saying there has been a 66% rise in

:48:49.:48:55.

terms of reported incidents and the vast majority don't even reported.

:48:56.:48:59.

Those who do report it might decide to just put something on social

:49:00.:49:05.

media and not report it even further but then the vast majority don't

:49:06.:49:10.

even do that, so you then you have a great number. Would you consider

:49:11.:49:13.

going to the police to report those incidents? I have been asked a

:49:14.:49:17.

number of times and no, I think these people feel like, the

:49:18.:49:24.

emboldened racists post-referendum, like there is no resort recourse to

:49:25.:49:28.

their actions and nobody has spoken out with enough condemnation, they

:49:29.:49:33.

have not taken responsibility for the part they played with the

:49:34.:49:38.

divisive campaign. Do you feel they absolutely are partly responsible

:49:39.:49:40.

for the abuse you have received since the result? I think racism has

:49:41.:49:46.

existed pre-Brexit and it is existing post, but it has almost

:49:47.:49:53.

encouraged these people to be more overt in their views and it is that

:49:54.:49:57.

a shamelessness, they feel like they have been given a bit of a mandate

:49:58.:50:03.

by the vote. Whether you voted leave for immigration is or not, they see

:50:04.:50:09.

the 52% and see that as a mandate to continue and vocalise it, because it

:50:10.:50:13.

was such a divisive and negative campaign and I feel like the senior

:50:14.:50:16.

politicians in the Leave Campaign now, what are they going to do to

:50:17.:50:21.

rain this in? They have created this atmosphere and controlling it now, I

:50:22.:50:25.

don't see it and like I say, with the police, I don't see what they

:50:26.:50:30.

can do to stop it. Why don't you give them the opportunity to see

:50:31.:50:35.

what they can do? I have since reported it, so it has gone on the

:50:36.:50:40.

figures and people can see this is happening there. So you have gone to

:50:41.:50:46.

the police. I have but to be honest, I wasn't really reassured. They will

:50:47.:50:51.

get a caution, if they can find them via CCTV. I was on my own, I didn't

:50:52.:50:55.

have my phone, I couldn't record anything. Other people who have been

:50:56.:51:00.

in a similar situation and might not have felt it was enough,

:51:01.:51:06.

justifiable, to go to the police, is this normal now? That is really

:51:07.:51:10.

worrying thing. This is not normal now. The vast majority of people are

:51:11.:51:15.

not racist in this country. Of course, it is a small minority. It

:51:16.:51:21.

is a rise in incidents but it is still a minority. You have talked

:51:22.:51:26.

about the politicians stepping up, more of them, saying it is

:51:27.:51:29.

absolutely unacceptable. What do you think should happen now? There are a

:51:30.:51:34.

range of things that have to happen. The fact that the mayor came out and

:51:35.:51:39.

said it was a zero tolerance policy, which the police Commissioner

:51:40.:51:42.

reiterated, there needs to be the critical leadership that changes the

:51:43.:51:45.

way people look at these things. We have had the Prime Minister himself

:51:46.:51:50.

a year ago talking about a swarm of migrants. The language that is used

:51:51.:51:53.

by politicians is very important and needs to change. The second area is

:51:54.:51:59.

to do with the media reporting of this. Whilst there has been a

:52:00.:52:03.

simmering of hatred to immigrants for a long time, just this year,

:52:04.:52:07.

there have been over 30 front-page stories on the daily express talking

:52:08.:52:11.

about how migrants need to get out, talking about migrants in a very

:52:12.:52:16.

derogatory way. Do you feel that feeds into the tone surrounding the

:52:17.:52:19.

conversation? Exactly way. There is a regulator, it is called ipso, and

:52:20.:52:26.

they talk about the highest professional standards for print

:52:27.:52:29.

media and none of them are dealing with this real issue. Let me read

:52:30.:52:34.

some messages to people watching. Scott tweets this, I am not sure it

:52:35.:52:38.

is as bad as you are all making out. That is exactly why I am sat here

:52:39.:52:43.

today. There are so many people, it goes unreported, it isn't on social

:52:44.:52:50.

media. It is happening and people need to keep an eye out for it and

:52:51.:52:54.

for their fellow man and safety in numbers, solidarity, and show that

:52:55.:52:57.

the majority of Great Britain are not racist, we don't think this is

:52:58.:53:02.

acceptable and you do have a mandate -- do not have a mandate to

:53:03.:53:06.

continue. Joe tweets I am so sorry for the appalling behaviour of these

:53:07.:53:13.

vile people. This tweet says it is utterly disgusting, the amount of

:53:14.:53:16.

ignorance in the country. Zac says it breaks my heart to hear this from

:53:17.:53:20.

you because I also experienced something that left me feeling so

:53:21.:53:23.

unwelcome in a country I was born in. And Kevin said we must all stand

:53:24.:53:30.

up to hate. I think outside the Polish cultural Centre, where there

:53:31.:53:33.

was graffiti saying "Get out of here", there was an outpouring of

:53:34.:53:38.

love from the local community, with flowers and people coming to show

:53:39.:53:41.

they can work together and in solidarity with the community is

:53:42.:53:45.

being targeted. That is what we need to do. Move away from this idea of

:53:46.:53:50.

division and we need politicians to help heal this divide and move

:53:51.:53:53.

forward in trying to deal with the causes, the way the media is

:53:54.:53:58.

reporting it, the language used by politicians, and we shouldn't have

:53:59.:54:01.

the sort of scaremongering happening in the campaign and specifically, we

:54:02.:54:05.

need to move about -- away from that and talk about issues that Britain

:54:06.:54:08.

is really care about. Thank you both of you becoming on the programme,

:54:09.:54:17.

Harjeet and Mikdaad. This news is just in, Paul Gascoigne has appeared

:54:18.:54:22.

in court and he has pleaded not guilty at Dudley magistrates Court

:54:23.:54:27.

to racially aggravated abuse. So Paul Gascoigne has appeared in

:54:28.:54:31.

court, Dudley magistrates, and has pleaded not guilty to racially

:54:32.:54:39.

aggravated abuse. So that will now go to trial. Paul Gascoigne has been

:54:40.:54:43.

in court this morning, he has pleaded guilty at the late not

:54:44.:54:48.

guilty to racially aggravated abuse. -- he has pleaded not guilty.

:54:49.:54:53.

England's players have left their Chantilly base in France

:54:54.:54:57.

after their dismal exit from Euro 2016 after a 2-1 defeat to Iceland.

:54:58.:55:01.

Manager Roy Hodgson resigned within minutes of loss.

:55:02.:55:08.

The inquest continues. We have been here before as England supporters,

:55:09.:55:12.

after yet another terrible performance at a major football

:55:13.:55:17.

tournament. So who next once this job to manage the England players,

:55:18.:55:21.

some of whom are really, really talented.

:55:22.:55:24.

Let's speak now to someone who's witnessed many of the highs and lows

:55:25.:55:28.

of the English national football side over the years -

:55:29.:55:30.

Henry Winter, the Times chief football writer.

:55:31.:55:31.

Here we are again, Henry Winter, now what? Good morning, Victoria. The

:55:32.:55:40.

French, if they had a word for deja vu, it would be very applicable

:55:41.:55:43.

here. We have been here every tournament, Roy Hodgson is taking a

:55:44.:55:47.

lot of criticism but when you think about it, he is only part of the

:55:48.:55:51.

problem. There is a general malaise in English football, the structure

:55:52.:55:54.

of the game itself, the way these kids are brought up in the

:55:55.:55:58.

academies. They are not taught how to take responsibility, which is an

:55:59.:56:02.

issue, so when they are in crunch moments, like against Iceland, they

:56:03.:56:12.

don't take responsibility and Purtschert seems to weigh so heavily

:56:13.:56:14.

on them. There were tactical mistakes made by Hodgson, he could

:56:15.:56:17.

have brought Rashford on earlier, issues like that, but it is a

:56:18.:56:19.

systemic issue with English football and that is why players lose their

:56:20.:56:26.

nerve at key moments. I remember after Euro 2,000, when England got

:56:27.:56:32.

knocked out, Sir Trevor Brooking back then did a really in-depth

:56:33.:56:36.

intelligence report into what went wrong and from memory, and it was a

:56:37.:56:40.

long time ago, there was a lot of talk about possession and the way we

:56:41.:56:43.

don't pass the ball to each other and that was the key then. I don't

:56:44.:56:47.

know how many more reports an inquest we can have to try and

:56:48.:56:51.

improve England's progress in these tournaments. It is interesting that

:56:52.:56:56.

you mention Sir Trevor Brooking. The FA got him involved but if you look

:56:57.:57:01.

at the make-up at the Football Association, there is little

:57:02.:57:03.

football dressing room experience compared to certain other leading

:57:04.:57:07.

football nations, so I do think we have to bring more experience in,

:57:08.:57:12.

like Gary Lineker, who is fantastic for the BBC, great expert, fantastic

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on Twitter, he should be on the FA board. David Beckham should be on

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the FA board. People who have experienced crunch games. Gary

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Lineker got to the semifinal. The golden generation at the moment are

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sitting in television studios, one or two doing their coaching badges.

:57:28.:57:32.

They should be embedded in the age-group teams to inspire the young

:57:33.:57:36.

players and teach them what it is like and how to get stronger from

:57:37.:57:40.

their own mistakes. So what Sir Trevor was saying on structural

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levels but also on the passing levels. It is pretty basic, not

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being able to pass from a to B and you saw it countless times, players

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who we watch and admires in the Premier League and we have seen do

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well in the Champions League, they can't do it and that is a

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psychological issue when they play for England. Thank you very much,

:57:59.:58:03.

Henry Winter, chief football writer at the times. We are going to have a

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quick look at Prince Harry, he went on stage with Coldplay last night. I

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think we have some pictures. Let's have a look. Have we? They are

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coming, I promise, stay with us... I am sorry. That was a bit of an

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anti-climax, wasn't a question mark thanks to your company today, back

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tomorrow at nine. -- wasn't it?

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