03/10/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello it's Monday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

This morning - a rare interview with a former spy who worked

for MI5 for 8 years - stopping terrorist attacks

I can't tell you my real name or show you my face, but you can call

me Tom Marcus. I'm here to tell you about my life in MI5.

That full interview in the next few minutes.

Also on the programme - it's an agonising decision for any

prospective parent - whether or not to go

ahead with a pregnancy if you know your child will have

But now there are concerns that a new highly accurate test

could lead to a rise in abortions of babies with Down's.

We'll get reaction from parents of children with the condition.

And - tears at the Baftas, as Monty Python star Terry Jones

makes his first public appearance since announcing he has dementia.

APPLAUSE Batten down... We'd just like to say

thank you to everyone, I know it's a great honour to dad to win this

award. He struggles to speak... We are so proud of him.

Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11.

As always this morning we'll bring you the latest breaking news

and developing stories, and later in the programme we'll

bring you some of a press conference from caretaker England manager

who's assaulted several female celebrities including kim kardashian

west and gigi hadid in the name of what he calls "pranks" -

that exclusive interview to come before 11.

Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning -

use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and if you text, you will be charged

Kim Kardashian West has been held up and robbed at gunpoint in a luxury

apartment in Paris, by men dressed as police officers.

She wasn't physically harmed, but she's said to be "badly shaken".

Her husband - Kanye West - cut short a show in New York

when he heard the news, telling his fans he was leaving

Radio 1 Newsbeat's Sinead Garvan is here with me now.

What do we know about what happened? There have been conflicting reports

this morning since five or six when the report broke. We know it

happened about 2.30, she was in an apartment on her own. Originally

people were saying she was in a hotel. On the third or fourth floor,

we believe. It was said two men masked, dressed as police officers.

Later on people were saying it was five men. We believe it was two. And

that million pounds worth of jewellery has been stolen from her

as well. In the last half an hour or 45 minutes, some American media

reported she was tied up and locked into the bathroom while the robbery

was going on. And as you mentioned, can the West, her husband, cut short

his gig in New York, as soon as he heard what had happened. Social

media reaction, as well... I'm sorry, I have an emergency, I have

to stop the show. So yes. Explain what was going on

there. He was on stage in New York. You don't see this bit, but someone

comes onto the side of the stage and says, this is what's just happened.

He's in the middle of a song, the crowd singing and he stopped on

this, I can't, I have a family emergency and runs offstage. I

imagine he is on his way to Paris now. Social media reaction... It's

not been particularly nice from some people, in regards to what has

happened to Kim Kardashian. It's meant the likes of James Gordon have

come out and said, look, she's a mother, she is a wife, she's a human

being, this is something not to be laughing out. -- James Corden. OK.

It presumably the police have been called an investigation is underway?

Yes. It seems like information is drip feeding. There has been no word

from Kim herself or any other family members and they are quite prolific

on social media. I imagine at some point she tell her side of the

story. But a very traumatic thing that's happened. Thank you very

much. Joanna Gosling is in the BBC

Newsroom with a summary The Chancellor of the Exchequer,

Philip Hammond, will tell the Conservative Party conference

today that he will adopt a different approach to his predecessor,

George Osborne, as he seeks to deal with the Government's finances

in the wake of the vote In a speech to delegates

in Birmingham, he'll confirm he's abandoning the target of eliminating

the budget deficit by 2020. But Mr Hammond will say -

that doesn't mean an end Here's our political

correspondent Eleanor Garnier. Huge cheers for Theresa May

at her first conference as leader, and it was the EU and Brexit that

dominated day one of the Conservative conference,

but the Chancellor and the economy Philip Hammond will say

George Osborne's policies were right for their time, but when times

change - we must change with them. He will emphasise getting

the deficit down is a priority, but that he'll sort out the public

finances in a pragmatic way. And he'll confirm he'll

abandon his predecessor's target to get the UK's finances

into surplus by 2020. The Chancellor is making it clear

he is taking a different It's another signal that

Theresa May's administration is a definite departure

from the government Today, ministers will announce plans

to help build 25,000 extra homes In the longer term, the Government

hopes to see more than 200,000 built, and will borrow ?2 billion

to support the plans. It's a demonstration

the new Chancellor's approach will allow for investment

to boost the economy. Eleanor Garnier, BBC

News, Birmingham. Colombia's president says he'll

continue to work for peace, after voters narrowly rejected

a hard-won agreement with FARC rebels to end five

decades of conflict. The agreement - signed last week

in a high profile ceremony - was rejected in a referendum

by a razor-thin margin. More than 13 million

people cast their ballots, with the 'no' camp winning

by fewer than 60,000 votes. The strongest Atlantic hurricane

in a decade is expected to batter several Caribbean

islands later today. Haiti is likely to be the worst hit,

but Jamaica is also braced for flash floods and winds of up to 150

miles per hour. Parts of Jamaica have already been

lashed by rain and strong winds with floodwaters blocking roads in the

capital, Kingston. Nick Davies reports. The outer layers of Matthew

coming this way, even though it is 200 miles away, so people have

already seen some areas starting to flood as the drains have become

inundated and some of the gullies as well. The fact the storm is moving

away from Jamaica now towards the north west, towards the countries of

Haiti and Cuba, that is a major concern, because they really can't

deal with it. Nick Davies in Kingston.

A referendum in Hungary on taking in migrants has resulted

in an overwhelming majority against accepting an EU plan

98% of those who voted backed the Hungarian

government's opposition to the quotas.

But less than half the electorate cast a vote in the referendum -

which officially makes the result invalid.

However, the Hungarian Prime Minister called it a victory

and said he'd change the country's constitution to make

Millions of women in Poland are expected to join what they're

calling an 'all out strike' to protest against new abortion laws.

It follows demonstrations attended by thousands of people

The women say they will withdraw from work, housework and sex.

Under the new laws, Poland's already restrictive abortion rules

would be tightened further, with jail penalties for terminating

a pregnancy in cases of rape or incest.

A former MI5 agent who risked his life for more than eight years,

secretly tracking Islamic extremists in the UK, says he himself became

a target for an attempted beheading when extremists developed a plan

Tom - not his real name - also says he helped thwart a plan

to blow up two coaches full of schoolchildren returning

We'll be speaking live to him here on the programme

A new move to protect elephants has been agreed at a major

conference in South Africa on endangered species.

Delegates agreed a proposal to outlaw all domestic ivory markets -

a move that conservationists say would be a significant step towards

However, Japan - which has a large domestic ivory trade -

says the ban does not apply there, because it doesn't

Police have widened their search for an RAF serviceman who's been

missing for more than a week amid fears he may have been kidnapped.

Corrie McKeague was last seen in Bury St Edmunds in Suffolk,

CCTV images show him walking through the streets of the town

The Monty Python actor and director, Terry Jones, has made his first

public appearance since announcing he'd been diagnosed with dementia -

accepting a Bafta Cymru award for his contribution

He was presented with the award at a ceremony in Cardiff,

by his Monty Python co-star, Michael Palin.

He has an illness now, and he is withdrawing, in a sense, because of

this phase which affects his speech. It's sad to see, but I didn't feel

sad tonight, I felt really elated and proud.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30.

Thank you, very much. Plenty of you questioning whether Kim Kardashian

robbed at gunpoint and having millions of pounds worth of

jewellery stolen and is a story. Patsy will be more interested in our

interview with the former MI5 spy, giving us an insight into life as an

operative. If you have any questions, do get in touch and I

will put them to him. Use the hashtag Victoria LIVE

and If you text, you will be charged Let's get some sport

now with Karthi. The United States have won the Ryder

Cup for the first time since 2008? Correct. A fascinating three days.

Golf is such an individual sport, the Ryder Cup is a team event and

the pairings are interesting to watch. The USA have an won this,

only once this century, not since 2008. They haven't had a great run

recently. They tried to learn from Europe. They set up a task force and

that result seems to have worked because they won 17-11. The first

points yesterday went to America. Patrick Reed beat Rory McIlroy. Some

of the golf... You can see the reaction from Rory McIlroy to his

shot on the ninth. Brilliant watch. It was being described in boxing

terms, going blow to blow. The reaction from Patrick Reed is to

silence the crowd, after Rory McIlroy had done it with his own

play. That was the first point that went to America. It carried on from

there. Another tight contest between Sergio Garcia and the USA's Phil

Mickelson. They won Castle Point each. The final winning point for

America came from Ryan Moore. He beat Lee Westwood on the 18th green.

That gave USA the Ryder Cup for the first time since 2008. The fans, who

you can see are celebrating here on the 18th, have been a major talking

point this week. Several of the US team and the vice captains have been

trying to quell some of the over the top comments. That is Davis Love the

third holding up the Ryder Cup trophy. The fans taking photos. A

few comments have been mentioned. Danny Willett, who had a bad

weekend, lost all three of his matches. This morning this is what

he said... That is his brother, made some

comments at the start of the Ryder Cup.

Just to mention those comments were probably made at about 1:45am in the

morning at Hazeltine and against most of the comments from the

European players. The European captain afterwards saying the fans

were doing a good job in America. In Formula 1, Lewis Hamilton is hinting

at some kind of conspiracy theory over engine failure at the Malaysian

Grand Prix? I love a good conspiracy theory. Lewis Hamilton attracted a

bit from what he said yesterday. His engine failed and caught fire during

the Malaysian Grand Prix. That many was out of the race and afterward he

said something or someone doesn't want him to win this year and

complained many of the engines for the other drivers have been fine and

it is only his failing. He was asked to clarify what he meant by someone

and he set a higher power. It feels as if a man above or a higher power

is intervening a bit. Maybe divine but the issues are Hamilton

is he is 23 real points behind Nico Rosberg, the championship leader and

there are just five races left this season. We expect interim manager

Gareth Southgate to hold a press conference this morning which will

be interesting, if not a little edgy? There are questions people

will want to know about. Some of the Sam Allardyce goings-on. Gareth

Southgate has been put in place. He will be speaking around ten o'clock

this morning, to explain his first choices regarding the senior England

squad. The first game will see him take charge against Malta. Glen

Johnson has been recalled to the squad in the major shock, he hasn't

played since the World Cup 2014. His return is mostly due to injuries.

Nathaniel Clyne has an injury and Adam Lallana has an injury. Glen

Johnson has only played in three Premier League matches this season.

Also in the squad are the Manchester United pair of Jesse Lingard and

Marcus Rashford. Jesse Lingard played for Gareth Southgate in the

under 21 squad. He has been named in the senior squad once before but

didn't make it onto the field. Not as much of a shock for Marcus

Rashford, still only 18, but scored a hat-trick on his England under 21

debut. More details on that and hopefully a little bit more from

Gareth Southgate at around ten o'clock. And family, Juan Mata made

examples firm's day over the weekend question up yes, the day before the

game on Saturday, the team were meeting up and heading out to

Manchester. Juan Mata recognised a little boy. Ran up to him, very

lovely, very instant reaction from him, gave him a hug and I think that

is his father he hugs as well. Took some photos, had a little chat,

seems to be giving them some contact details or swapping some

information. He spends a bit of time with him. Holding up the entire of

the United team, while waiting on the bus. He made his way round

security to get out and try to speak to them. Everyone in a bit of a

rush, but he took his time and has a little chat with them and then goes

back to the bus. A lovely moment, which happen to be caught. Very nice

to see the footballers that we'll talk about how much money they have

and all the rest of, but they are very national and -- natural and

human as well. Thank you. Tracking down an Islamist extremist

just hours before he committed a terrorist attack on a group

of British school children, following Russian spies trying

to steal British military secrets and narrowly avoiding

being kidnapped and beheaded while trailing a suspect

on the streets of London. This was everyday life for more

than eight years for Tom Marcus while he was working

as a surveillance officer for MI5. Tom Marcus isn't his real name

and we're not going to show his face on the programme today

because as a former MI5 officer he must never reveal his true

identity in public. Everything he's going to talk

about has been vetted and cleared Names and some specific details

in the book have been changed in order to protect colleagues

and ensure current and future He is speaking exclusively to us

in his first ever broadcast Good morning, Tom. Good morning.

Thank you for having me. Thanks for coming on. If you had to describe

your job. How would you sum it up? It is a mobile surveillance officer

for MI5, but that what that means is being on the ground hunting the most

dangerous terrorists in the world. Those terrorists want to harm and

destroy the western way in our country and it was my job to find

them on the ground with the rest of the team and rip apart their lives.

We see everything they do and make sure that anything they try to do,

we see and prevent. It is extremely fast. Really, really fast paced, we

don't see our families a lot and it is incredibly dangerous, but as a

team, we are the best hunters in the world.

Pam asks this on Twitter, "How did you become an agent?" I was actually

recruited from special operations in the military. I joined the Army at

16 just as a lot of boy soldiers do. Never really dreaming or thinking

that they would end up as an MI5 officer. I was actually forced into

special operations. The Commanding Officer at the time saw something in

me as a young soldier and he volunteered me for the selection

process and I never heard of military special operations, covert,

counter-terrorism at that point. I was the youngest one to ever go on

to the selection process and actually pass it and from there I

went to work covertly in Northern Ireland in countering the

paramilitary threat over there. Rising through the ranks and

becoming a team commander out there. My handler at the time, who was MI5

himself, an intelligence officer, wanted to change the shape of the

surveillance officers in MI5 at the time. So he wanted to start

recruiting people who were more comfortable on the streets because

when we operate in MI5 over here n the k, we don't operate in the nice

areas in Chelsea and Kensington, we are in the rough areas of the UK so

they needed people that could live on the streets easily. I was

comfortable living in hard areas. I was actually tapped on the shoulder

by my MI5 handler at the time to come and join the service officially

and that was at a time when applications were close to 100,000

applicants a year. It was quite rare that people did get tapped on the

shoulder and I was incredibly lucky that happened and then I was soon

officially working for MI5 rather than deniably for the military.

Right. What are the disadvantages of being an under cover MI5 officer? It

has a huge impact on your family... Nick says, "Do you have a family?

Did they know what you were an agent?" A lot of us have families. I

was incredibly lucky that my wife at the time, who was also expression

operations before I was recruited by MI5, so she knew the ins and outs of

working covertly, but that said, we didn't tell her family what I did

when I was recruited. So you still have a huge level of deception from

the people that you love and it is out of protection. You don't want to

give them all the information because you don't want them to

become some sort of target. What do you tell people? You can't tell them

that you are a spy, what do you say? I come up with a plausible story

that I was working as a delivery driver for the Ministry of Defence

and as soon as people hear, oh you are a delivery driver, that's

incredibly boring, I won't ask you anymore questions which works

perfectly for people like us. It allows us to get life insurance, as

an MI5 officer on the ground, no one in their right mind is going to give

you life insurance so you say, "I work for the Ministry of Defence as

a delivery driver. ." That's plausible because you drive around

the country. We keep a lot of those details secret from the people that

we love. OK. I'm going to say talk us through a typical surveillance

operation. Every single one is different. Clearly, they have unique

elements, but talk us through a typical surveillance operation, what

you would be looking for in a particular area? Who you're looking

out for? What you have to notice and how you communicate that to your

team? Typically for maybe yourself and the people who are watching at

home, when they go to work, they would take the same routes and you

wouldn't necessarily notice a car that was parked at a different

angel. Someone sitting in a parked vehicle, you know, half a mile away,

why would you notice that? Someone sitting at a bus stop with two

mobile phones or a heavier jacket than anybody else. Those are the

sorts of details that we instantly see, but for a typical operation we

would deploy on the ground as a team and we would know the target that

we're hunting. And I say hunting because it is very much we know the

target who we're going after and we are going to get them. Right. Why

don't we have a specific. Tell our audience about you being a homeless

man opposite a mosque and the target that you are looking for and how you

felt you lost them, but then found them again? Yeah. So this particular

target was, like a lot of the people that we're interested in are hell

bent on killing a lot of people. And we knew that they were going to go

and, they wanted to commit mass murder at a local school, but we

didn't know the details, but we knew it was going to be soon. This target

was on the way to prayers at the mosque. Fine we had them completely

under control. We could see everything. My job at that time was

to go and watch them come out of the mosque and the only way to do that

for me was to dress as a homeless person, sitting on a soggy bit of

cardboard pretend to go ask for change. My clothes were soaked in my

own urine, it complimented the cover, so everyone walking past me,

didn't play a bind bit of attention to me which was perfect. The

problems started to escalate when the people or the people coming out

of the mosque after prayers, I couldn't see him. And I suspected he

changed his appearance when I had a normal habit of when there is a few

female worshippers going into the mosque, I would make a mental note

of how many had gone in and more came out than went in. I scpted he

changed his appearance. Ie dresses in a burka? Yes. Just as the team

were starting to check different possibles that looked like our

target, I noticed this person walking past me in a burka and just

as they strode past me not paying me any attention the burka rose up and

I could see the same sandals that our target had worn going in, that

was a clear indication that he possibly changed his appearance.

Luckily for us, I decided to follow that target on my own while the rest

of the team were checking other possibilities. And he had gone to a

local address, came out quickly and I was still on my own and he shaved

his beard off and changed his appearance and got into a different

vehicle that we weren't watching for, it was his uncle's vehicle.

Vehicle. That we defieded to follow and we called in an arrest team when

we did realise it was him, it was a distinct possibility it was him, the

vehicle registration plate was linked. We called in a hard arrest

by special forces who sometimes work with us instead of the police who

react really, really fast. And we found out that he had a boot full of

weapons and explosives and he was about to kill two coach full of

children and their parents waiting to pick them up. Wow. It is a very,

very typical operation that things you go out on the ground knowing the

target that you're hunting and then things change and you have to adapt

and the team adapt so, so quickly and that's what makes the MI5

surveillance teams A4 the best in the world at this. When an arrest

like that is made, when it is successful, what emotions do you

experience? You can imagine that it's very adrenalin-filled, but for

us as operators on the ground, when we're in full flow and there is an

arrest going on and we're finding and chasing and hunting the targets,

it is very calm for us. The worst part of an operation for us is when

we're waiting for our particular target or targets to come out in the

open, waiting for them to come out so that we can see them. So when

we're calling in, you know, special forces, and we call it executive

action so when there is pinning the cars in and dragging them out under

armed guard that's calming for us, we know we are in complete control.

They're not going to get away and then the nice bit for us is that

that leads on to ten more operations and we can keep going. I've got

loads of questions from our audience and comments. I've got more comments

from me having gone through the book. I will be brief with the

questions, "Do you think Isis can be defeated or are they too big to

defeat?" For me, personally, speaking, the ideology is always

going to change. Decades ago, the biggest threat was the

paramilitaries, the Irish. Then it became Al-Qaeda. Now, it is Isis.

The ideology is always going to change, but for an MI5 operator like

me, it don't care what they are ideologies arement they want to hurt

us and we are going to do everything we can to stop them. They maybe the

hardest terrorists in the world, but from a surveillance operator they

have not met anyone like us and we will not let them succeed. Kay texts

this, "How much information do MI5 and MI6 share?" It is constant and

that makes the this the most secure country, GCHQ, MI6, MI5, we

constantly share information. There is no animosity or rivalry between

us and like I say, and I keep repeating it, that's what makes us

the best in the world. We work hand in glove to help each other. The BBC

should be ashamed of itself for interviewing this nonevent of a

supposed spy. These matters are kept secret for good reason. By doing so,

we avoid risk to other serving personnel? Your book has been

vetted. Various names have been changed and various details you had

to remove and the Security Services had to give you permission to talk

to us today. Absolutely, yeah. So I mean, is there anything in the book

that could risk future operations? Your colleagues, your former

colleagues? No, I have been incredibly disciplined about that. I

didn't want to put anyone of my family or my former team at risk.

The important book about the book is that people should feel proud and

safe when they read tr. Because it goes a long way, when people at home

perhaps see the media, they could be lulled into thinking we are

constantly under attack and we are about to get blown up any minutement

it is important to tell the other side of that, to give the world the

knowledge that we're not super human on the ground, but we are relentless

in stopping these people and they should be proud and safe in the

knowledge that we're not going to let anyone get hurt as long as we

can stay on the ground and stop these people. Tell our audience

about the time when you had to attack a plain clothed police

officer in order to save his life in a pub in Glasgow. That's not one of

my proudest moments. When we operate in these hard, hard areas, things,

you have to be extremely reactive to the situation and completely fluid.

So that particular operation was watch ago really high-profile IRA

meeting in Glasgow. Everyone in that pub was either an IRA sympathiser or

an IRA member who you are living in amongst known killers. Extremely

dangerous to people like me. This plain clotsed policeman walked in

and I don't know why he was there on his own, but I knew he was there to

interview or perhaps arrest the landlord's son who had recently fled

Northern Ireland because he had killed someone over there so he came

to the safety of relative safety of what he knew.

I was there for this meeting. When the plainclothes cop walked in, the

IRA meeting I was watching had its own security detail, watching for

people like me. They noticed him coming and signal to people across

the pub to take him out, to kill him. So other people walked in,

walked over to him, directly over to him, with butterfly knives. I truly

believed they were going to kill him on the spot. MI5 as a whole, isn't

in the business of killing people. We are here to save lives. No matter

how big a profile meeting it was, I couldn't let whatever actions,

whether stupid or not, I couldn't let him die. But I had to keep my

cover intact, I'd been their hours and I didn't want to spook the IRA

meeting anyway. I had to protect myself. The only way I could do that

was to take him on myself. Though I smashed a bottle over his head and

dragged him out of the pub, posing as the aggressive drunk, wanting

first blood. But by doing that I stopped the guys coming in with

knives who are hell-bent killing him straightaway. And you were

reprimanded for that? You defended yourself, you explained why, but

your boss kind of took one for you, is that fair? The branch director

looked after me. As you can imagine, they came down on me hard for that.

But being on the ground, you have to be extremely, extremely reactive and

it sometimes making a bad choice, that's the only choice you've got.

Was I going to let that die die? Absolutely not, we are in the

business of protecting people. But by hurting him, that was the only

way I could think that quickly to take him out myself. You have left

MI5 because you were diagnosed with PTSD. Obviously because of your

experiences, and because it was taking over your life. Every trip

out with wife and child, you were looking for threats. On one occasion

you were convinced in a shopping centre that was about to detonate a

suicide vest in a store and he was stealing a television. But you are

that close to taking him out? Yeah. A big part of PTSD is hyper visions.

It's what makes MI5 surveillance operators extremely good at our

jobs, because we notice everything that stands out. The problem with

that is, because we are so hyper vigilant, you can't switch it off.

In that particular instance, where a normal family big shop, as we said

in the north, you go and bring everything in, normal shop, and

something tweaked this couple that I just didn't like. It stood out.

Walking up the escalator together and then split. Like that. Yes, the

guy had a bigger coat on than normal. My wife having a similar

background, noticed the slight change in me. She took the family

for the shop and let me get on with it. That's the impact it has on your

family, it does encroach, but I did take them on and I was ready to take

them out. I wasn't 100% sure... He was going to do something, blow

something up, but the way he was acting was out of the norm. In the

end, his act was ripping the security tag out of the box of a big

TV. I watched them take it out and later on I thought, good on you, not

for stealing, but having that audacity to try and survive on the

streets. I can relate to that. Right... So you're discharged,

effectively, from the service, if that's the right term. But it's very

hard to explain many CV what you've been doing for the last eight years

because you can't tell people? Yes, impossible. Unless you go into

private surveillance contracting, which due to the diagnosis... Not a

good idea. You just can't do it. When you go for interviews a new

thing, I have so much to offer, I could really make a difference to

any company. You start going for well-paid jobs and they say, tell me

what you've been doing for the last ten years? Why is there a massive

gap in your CV? You can't. There's no way of explaining it, no matter

how much you try. So you right back at the bottom of the pile, doing

anything to bring money in and fill your role as husband and father,

which is the most important role, I think. It's so difficult to do. Let

me read some more messages for you. Debra says we will never grasped the

sacrifices these incredible individuals make to our security,

they are unsung heroes. Sean says, thank you for your help in keeping

us all safe. Another person says at all respect to him risking his life

to keep us safe. And another says, give him thanks for his hard work

and keeping us safe on the streets. Jonathan is as compelling MI5

interview on your programme right now. Tom, amazing interview. The

whole office is gripped. And this from David, MI5 spy question, how do

you take your vodka martini? LAUGHTER

I think it's important, soldier spy goes a long way to dispel that Miss,

no jet planes or casino. When you watch programmes like Homeland or

Spooks, is that nothing like reality? It is hugely entertaining

but nothing like the reality happening on the ground. Off the

back of the book we are working with the TV production company to give a

real good TV series of the book. That will hopefully bring the

reality of it, but it's extremely hard-hitting. It's fast. You have to

lie to the people that you love to protect them, and it consumes you.

All we want to do as operators, we are completely different to the

people who make the plans, the geeks who stay in the office and

disseminate the information we get. We are on the ground, in the dirt,

on the streets, pretending to be builders or on the streets. We could

be on the bus with a target who perhaps has a bomb in their

backpack, completely unarmed. We do everything we can to stop these

people and it's what we live for. The people watching the show should

be extremely proud of the ones who are still out there, doing this

protecting, because like I say, we are the best in the world. Thank you

very much, Tom. Thank you for coming on the programmes is really

interesting talking you. Tom Marcus's book about his

career called Soldier Spy Joanna is in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news. The Chancellor, Philip Hammond,

will say today that a new, more pragmatic economic plan

is required to tackle the "new circumstances" brought

about by the Brexit vote. In his address to the Conservative

Party conference in Birmingham, he'll confirm that he's abandoning

George Osborne's timetable of But he'll also make clear that it

doesn't mean an end to austerity. Kim Kardashian has been held up

and robbed at gunpoint in a luxury apartment in Paris,

by men dressed as police officers. Police say they stole jewellery box

containing valuables worth more than ?5 million and a bring valued at ?3

million. She wasn't physically

harmed, but she's said Her husband - Kanye West -

cut short a show in New York when he heard the news,

telling his fans he was leaving Colombia's President says he'll

continue to work for peace, after voters narrowly rejected

a hard-won agreement with FARC rebels to end five

decades of conflict. The agreement - signed last week

in a high profile ceremony - was rejected in a referendum

by a razor-thin margin. More than 13 million

people cast their ballots, with the 'no' camp winning

by fewer than 60,000 votes. The strongest Atlantic hurricane

in a decade is expected to batter several Caribbean

islands later today. Haiti is likely to be the worst hit,

but Jamaica is also braced for flash floods and winds of up to 150

miles per hour. Parts of Jamaica have already been

lashed by rain and strong winds, with flood waters blocking roads

in the capital, Kingston. The Monty Python actor and director,

Terry Jones, has made his first public appearance since announcing

he'd been diagnosed with dementia - accepting a Bafta Cymru award

for his contribution He was presented with the award

at a ceremony in Cardiff, by his Monty Python co-star,

Michael Palin. He has his illness now,

and he is withdrawing, in a sense, because of this phase

which affects his speech. It's sad to see, but I didn't

feel sad tonight, I felt That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10am. Here's this morning's sports

headlines now with Karthi. The USA have won only their second

Ryder Cup this century beating Europe by 17 points

to 11 at Hazeltine. They dominated the singles matches

on the final day, with Rory McIlroy losing to Patrick Reed

in the opening match of the day. Aston Villa are searching

for a new manager again after sacking Roberto di Matteo this

morning - the Italian has been Villa are 19th in the Championship,

after being relegated from There has been a surprise recall

for Stoke City defender Glen Johnson in Gareth Southgate's first England

squad for the World Cup qualifiers Johnson hasn't figured for England

since the 2014 World Cup. Manchester City's 100%

start to the Premier They were beaten 2-0

by Tottenham, who are now up to second in the table

and enjoying their best start to a league campaign

in more than 50 years. There was better news

for Manchester City Women. They have won the double

after beating Birmingham City to win They won the Super League title

a week ago. It is women in sport week, which is

about getting more active. More details at ten o'clock.

A new economic plan is needed to address the challenges facing

That's what the chancellor Philip Hammond will tell

the Conservative Party conference today -

What has Theresa May achieved in the 82 three days

since she became Conservative Prime Minister?

Her Majesty The Queen has as me to form a new

First, David Cameron said his goodbyes.

Mrs May, who voted to stay in the European Union,

began work on Brexit by appointing key voices in the Leave campaign

We face a time of great national change.

I know, because we are Great Britain, that we will

And she tried to make the right noises abroad.

Back at home she picked a political fight over her plans to create

Equality of opportunity is not segregating children

He believes in levelling down, we believe in levelling up.

She dropped George Osborne and Mrs May decided,

after taking her time, to go ahead with building

She annoyed Jamie Oliver when she axed plans to limit

But all of that will be a sideshow compared to Brexit.

But what it really means, we'll find out next year.

Our political guru Norman Smith is at the conference in Birmingham.

What mood are the delegates in? Pretty good, I think. Theresa May

has gone for the Brexit bandwagon. She wants to put her foot on the gas

and move ahead quickly. She said she will trigger Article 50, at the

latest by next March. She said she will introduce this great repeal

bill to end the authority of EU law in the spring. You get the sense

this is one woman who has her foot on the accelerator and is moving

ahead quickly with Brexit. How does that go down with Tory party

members? I am joined by quad bike. Rachel, a remainer,. -- I'm joined

by Rachel. As a remainer, do you think crikey, slow down? I was a

remainer but I think we have the right team to take us in the right

direction. I am confident with Theresa May's balance of giving us

as much information as we need but not giving the whole game awaits. We

know she was herself a remainer. Are you surprised that the extent to

which she seems to be going ahead with Brexit so fast? Not especially.

There is no choice. There is no going back. The country voted to

leave that has to be respected. I think she absolutely to. I do agree,

she has taken the right approach. I think it would be full hardy to have

headlines before policy. I think she is taking sensible approach to it.

Jack, what do you say? You wanted Brexit. Are we in or out of the

single market? Everything we have heard from Theresa May so far

suggests we will not be part of the single market. Does that concern

you? Not at all, I think that Prime Minister handled things perfectly

properly. She didn't bow down to the pressure of those on the doorsteps

of number ten calling to invoke Article 50 immediately. I'm glad she

waited for the right time. Good things are worth waiting for. If we

do Brexit, I want to make a success of it. At the same time I am

seriously concerned about the lack of negotiators and skilled trade

negotiators this country has at the moment. Do you think it can be done

in two years? If we don't have negotiators can we cut the deal in

that time? Completely. Likewise said, I think good things are worth

waiting for. I think we should wait until we have procedures in place to

ensure a smooth transition from the European union before invoking the

article I think Mark is a perfect time. Harvey, the mantra of team

Theresa May is about taking back control, particularly in terms of

immigration. But isn't the issue most people are bothered about is

not taking back control, they want to reduce numbers. I suppose the

question is, what is the point of taking back control if you can't

reduce numbers? Is there any sense in which Mrs May will be able to

reduce numbers? We saw the commitment yesterday about numbers.

Numbers are due to come down. I think it is less about... People

focus on immigration but it is not about shouting ourselves off from

the world but opening ourselves up to the world. It is very much the

case we want skilled people coming over to this country, making a life

for themselves in this country. It is out of the block and into the

world very much is the approach. Who are we going to turn away, we

want the skilled people and top scientists, we need care workers and

plumbers and farmers, so who are we turning away? This is it. This is

what we are going to be seeing. We need to keep these things quiet. I

know it doesn't give the assurance to people, but the negotiations will

bring in those kind of elements and you know, I see it coming to the

case where if European countries keep European, the British there,

then Britain will keep Europeans here and I think it is not about,

you know, turning our back on Europe. We are completely, you know,

at one with Europe. They are our allies, we have got a great history

with Europe. It is about setting a new path in an international world

with globalisation and all the other things and really, you know, going

about it in our own way with trade deals. You were part of the 48%. Do

you feel you've kind of been shunted to the sidelines? The 48% are really

forgotten? Not at all. I think that Theresa May kind of said in her

speech that she doesn't want to go for hard Brexit and neither soft

Brexit. She wants to please everyone almost and that's a good approach it

take. I think she is listening to the public. She is taking on board

what they are saying and trying to push that forward, but of course,

she doesn't want to give her game away at the same time. So I think

we'll really know how much she is taking on board our opinion soon.

Briefly, if I could ask Daniel and Jack, has First Lady become a born

again Brexiteer? I suppose she has to be committed to it. Unless she is

enthusiastic and positive about it, we won't be able to make a success

of it and it is very good that she has. Jack? Well, she is going to be

a Brexiteer because she has to carry out the will of the people. She is

proimmigration, but she has been antidiscrimination and that's what

the European Union encourages. It is interesting, Theresa May is

pro-Brexit, but you have to think and look back at what happened to

other Tory leaders when it comes to Europe, it has been the issue which

has devoured so many of them. You think of David Cameron and John

Major, you think of Mrs Thatcher, the stakes are still incredibly high

for Theresa May. Thank you very much, Norman.

Coverage of the Conservative Party Conference is throughout the week on

BBC News. The President of the Philippines has

apologised to Jews worldwide after he compared himself

and his war on drugs with Hitler's Hitler massacred three million Jews.

Now, there is three million drug addicts. I would be happy to

slaughter them. At least if Germany had Hitler, the

Philippines, my victims would like me to finish the problem of my

country and save the next generation from this perdition.

A spokesperson for President Rodrigo Duterte said he hadn't intended

to "diminish the loss of the Jewish people during the Holocaust"

but that he was "willing to kill three million drug dealers"

to save the next generation of Filipinos.

Since the President took office in June he's launched a brutal

It's estimated that more than 3000 drug dealers and users have

been killed by the state or in state-sanctioned murders.

Let's talk to Richard Graham, a Conserative MP who met

President Duterte on a trade mission to the Philippines.

How do you react to his comments that he wants to exterminate drug

addicts? Well, he has a history of tackling crime and drugs in his home

city where I think he was mayor for 20 years and he reduced crime

significantly so this was a big part of his presidential campaign. It is,

I think, one of the main reasons why he was elected president and he

normally scores very highly in local popularity for his campaigns against

drugs and criminals. So I think that's the background against which

we have to understand some of what he is saying, sometimes late at

night. How are you reacting to his comments, comparing himself to

Hitler? He started off by saying his critics were comparing him to

Hitler, but in general you want to avoid any analogies to Hitler and

his spokesman who is a busy man often, explaining our interpreting

what his president said has clarified, you know, he didn't mean

to offend people by his comments. When you met him in your role as

trade envoy, I mean, presumably the serious drugs trade, the serious

drugs problem they have in this country has an impact on trade?

Well, I don't think the drugs problem as such impacts UK,

Philippines trade hugely so that wasn't something we really focussed

on during the discussion I had with him. But clearly, the rule of law is

absolutely vital. It is vital for British businesses as much as it is

for people in the Philippines who maybe being pursued by the police.

What did you make of the president? What's he like? He is an interesting

man. I think President Obama called him colourful. He's certainly

colourful. He is a great fan of Andy Murray's. He watched Andy Murray win

the Olympics title in 2012 and clamber over the chairs to go and

greet his team and his mother and President Duterte was very impressed

by that. He thought it showed that Andy Murray had strong family values

which is something he talks about a lot too.

Thank you, Richard Graham, Conservative MP.

Coming up, we'll be live in Paris, where Kim Kardashian has been left

badly shaken after being robbed at gunpoint.

?10 million of her jewellery has reportedly been stolen.

The son of Monty Python actor and director Terry Jones broke down

in tears as he helped his father accept a Welsh Bafta for

One of the funniest men on British TV announced last month that he has

And his son Bill Jones joined him on stage to accept the accolade,

presented to him by fellow python, Michael Palin.

Terry has been relentlessly livic whilst remaining the nicest man and

the most wonderful friend. For all the joy and the pleasure and the

laughter and the stimulation he has brought to so many people I can

think of no one more worthy of recognition tonight.

APPLAUSE We would just like to say thank you,

everyone. I know it is a great honour for dad to win this award and

the struggles we're having at the minute is a bit hard, but we're so

proud of him. Thank you. APPLAUSE

Our correspondent John Maguire was at last night's ceremony.

Incredibly moving, wasn't it John? It really, was very moving indeed as

you saw Michael Palin giving the award, they have been friends and

colleagues and co-writers for more than 50 years. They met at Oxford

University at the beginning of the 60, I spoke to Michael Palin and he

said he was proud and incredibly happy to honour his friend. There

was a standing ovation as you could probably tell and the room was

really quite emotional. Terry Jones as we've heard because of the on-set

of his dementia finds it extremely hard to talk. He clearly was visibly

moved as was his son, Bill Jones, of course, who was with him to help

guide him up on to the stage and to accept the award. There was a

wonderful moment and Terry Jones, during the standing ovation, he was

trying to get people to sit down as you could probably see from the

pictures and he held the BAFTA mask, the award in front of his face and

that caused light relief among the crowd. Just a prolific career he had

not only as a Python, but also as a writer, as a director, he made

historical documentaries and written books and he is a very well well

respected scholar too. A real renaissance man throughout his

career and a night that Michael Palin said he was extremely proud to

be part of and also the fact that it was in Wales. Terry Jones has always

been a proud Welshman. Very proud of his roots. So it meant a lot to him,

to his family and to Michael Palin and indeed to everybody who was at

the ceremony last night, I think. Thanks, John, thank you very much.

Now the latest weather update and Hurricane Matthew as well? Yes,

that's right. It was very briefly a Category 5, hurricane which is the

largest category of hurricanes. It is now a Category 4. You can see it

here nicely. There is the eye of tr. This grey area next to it is an

enhanced area of heavy rainment it will be tracking northwards towards

the Jamaica channel and it will bring with it a lot of rain. We're

looking at 400 to 600 millimetres of rainfall, but in some parts of Haiti

in particular, we could have as much as 1,000 millimetres, that's a meter

of rainfall. Haiti too, very much prone to landslides. It is very

mountainous. There will be huge storm surge as well and a risk of

flash flooding so both these situation are life threatening and

you can the window arrows, still gusts of 145mph. Closer to home,

things are quieter. This week, we're looking at sunny spells. It will be

breezy. If you're in the breeze and out of the sun, it will feel chilly,

but we're looking at chilly nights generally. Now what's going on is

that we've got a weather front out towards the west today. That is

bringing in a bit more cloud. You can tell from the isobars, it is

breezier in the west and the weather front could produce the odd spot of

drizzle, the odd light shur across north western parts of Northern

Ireland or the Outer Hebrides. The mist and fog that we've got lifting.

There is cloud across eastern parts, but really just turning the sunshine

milkier. For most it will be a beautiful day with sunshine and dry,

if you like it that way. Later on, we are looking at more cloud forming

across East Anglia. So this afternoon, still quite cloudy across

the outer heb bury December, but the cloud will thin and break and we

will see brightness. The rest of the Scotland seeing sunshine and the

cloud also thinning and breaking in Northern Ireland. Sunshine for you

too. When we lose the mist and fog for most of England and Wales, it

will be a sunny day with blue skies, more cloud forming across East

Anglia later. It has been a cold start for some of us with a touch of

frost, but in the sunshine temperatures picking up nicely, 16

to 17 Celsius, maybe 19 Celsius in the Channel Islands. This evening

and overnight, we start to pull in more of an easterly flow. And that's

going to drag in moisture from the North Sea. So we will have more

cloud across central and eastern parts. So therefore, not as much of

an issue with patchy mist and fog or frost. Tomorrow we have that cloud

still very much with us, but through the day, it too will tend to thin

and break and we will see sunshine coming through. Our weather front is

still out to the west, still threatens at times, parts of

Northern Ireland and Western Scotland with just the odd spot of

rain or indeed drizzle. Temperatures 13 to 19 Celsius, but with more of a

breeze tomorrow, it will feel that bit cooler, especially if you're out

of the sunshine. Then as we move into Wednesday, we're still being

dominated by an area of high pressure. It is moving slightly so

we will see more cloud coming across us. Breezy, brighter conditions

coming out in the west, but the temperature is certainly going to

continue to go down as it will do on Thursday.

I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme

In an exclusive interview with this programme,

a former spy who worked for MI5 for eight years has been telling us

about his often dangerous job working undercover.

The official job title is Mobile Operations Officer,

but in reality what this means is hunting down the most dangerous

operators in the world who want to destroy the western way of life,

And it was my job to find them on the ground, with the rest of the

team, and rip apart their lives. So many of you getting involved about

that interview. One says, amazing interview, we are grateful

individuals like, are out there, who sacrificed their personal lives to

ensure our safety. Another, MI5 spy on your programme today is blowing

my mind. Thank you for those. We will pause and bring you the news in

a moment but first, the new caretaker England manager, Gareth

Southgate. ... Very difficult, and we have an opportunity to work with

a group of players, they are young, need some guidance. We have to

provide stability. I haven't had any chance other than think how we

prepare for this week, how we get the best opportunity to get the

results we want, and anything beyond that can wait, whenever there is

time to breathe. I absolutely understand. How difficult was it, in

terms of trying to get the squad together at such short notice? Well,

I think Sam and myself had had a meeting two weeks ago, regarding the

under 21 squad and the senior squad. The basis of what's gone on over the

last couple of years, there's been lots of positives. The squad but did

the job in Slovakia did the job very well. We felt, why veer too much

from that? We lost a few players over the weekend from that, that

there will some need to think of replacements, but we felt that

stability was important. We have had so much change, certainly in terms

of the age of the squad, the inexperience of the squad, so I

think the basis of the squad before, and just one or two other players we

felt could add to what we're doing. You call did Marcus Rashford. He got

a hat-trick at the under 21s. Do you see him probably now as the senior

England player? Or if there is an under 21 tournament next summer,

does he come back into the reckoning? How do you think you will

evolve? That depends if I am the under 21 manager in the summer! I

think he was outstanding for us last month. He's starting for Manchester

United. What impressed me most was his mentality towards a whole week.

I think you can all see his ability and the effect he's had on games,

but his maturing tea around the camp, the way he has settled into

the group... He was still the youngest player in the under 21s

squad, but he took to that no problems at all. I thought his

performance was excellent. So again, it was a discussion we had two weeks

ago and I didn't see any reason to change that planned. Jesse Lingard

has done well for you at under 21 level. Do you see him coming in

because of Adam Lallana's injury or would you have liked to have got him

in any way? I think Jesse is a player we have been impressed with

over the two years working with him at under 21s. He is now establishing

himself in Jose's team, which speaks for itself. In the European

Championships we thought he was our best performer. So I think it is an

exciting moment to bring him into the squad. If there is a surprising

inclusion would it be Glen Johnson, at the age of 32, coming back to the

squad for the first time in two years? Yes, I can understand that. I

think clearly Kyle Walker and Nathaniel Clyne Werther two right

backs last time. We lost Nathaniel What was the Russian now? I think

the squad in the last two years has been young, young, young. -- the

rationales? I don't think you can keep doing that. I think there are

times to have some experience around. I think in the summer we saw

we have some really exciting young players, but in key, pressure

moments there is a lack of experience, lack of big match

experience. At this moment in time, when I'm looking at who might come

into that, to bring in a player with 50 plus caps into that squad was

something that we thought long and hard about, but we felt was right

decision. You have named Wayne Rooney as your captain. Does that

mean he starts against Malta and if so, where? I'm not sure why I would

ever give the opposition that sort of information. But the decision to

make him captain is quite simple. What I felt from what I've seen

around St George 's over the two years, what I've gleaned from

talking to staff over two years is he is the outstanding leader in that

group. Again, a period of change after the summer, and now this

month, and the most important thing at that time is leadership. On and

off the field. I think Wayne has provided that over the last two

years. I think the way he has matured into that role is really

impressive. There was no doubt in my mind about keeping him in that

position. STUDIO: Gareth Southgate in the caretaker England manager

position for now. Now for a new summary and Joanna.

The Chancellor of the Exchequer, Philip Hammond, will tell

the Conservative Party conference today that he will adopt a different

approach to his predecessor, George Osborne, as he seeks to deal

with the government's finances in the wake of the vote

In a speech to delegates in Birmingham, he'll confirm he's

abandoning the target of eliminating the budget deficit by 2020.

Instead he will put investment in housing and transport bus.

Kim Kardashian West has been held up and robbed at gunpoint

in a luxury apartment in Paris, by men dressed as police officers.

She wasn't physically harmed, but she's said

Her husband - Kanye West - cut short a show in New York

when he heard the news, telling his fans he was leaving

Colombia's President says he'll continue to work for peace,

after voters narrowly rejected a hard-won agreement

with FARC rebels to end five decades of conflict.

The agreement - signed last week in a high profile ceremony -

was rejected in a referendum by a razor-thin margin.

More than 13 million people cast their ballots,

with the 'no' camp winning by fewer than 60,000 votes.

Residents of several Caribbean islands are bracing themselves for

the strongest hurricane in a decade expected to hit later today. Haiti

is expected to be the worst affected but Jamaica has already been lashed

by rain and strong winds, with floodwater blocking roads in the

capital, Kingston. A former MI5 agent who risked his

life for more than eight years, secretly tracking Islamic extremists

in the UK, says he himself became says he himself became a target

for an attempted beheading and a plan

to kidnap MI5 operatives in Britain. Tom - not his real name, speaking

exclusively to this programme, said the public should be reassured

that the British security services lead the way when it comes

to thwarting terrorists carrying out We do everything we can to stop

these people, and it's what we live for, and the people watching this

show should be extremely proud of the ones who are still out there,

doing this, protecting. Like I say, we are the best in the world at it.

Thank you for your tweets about the interview. One says, a brilliant

insight into life as a spy. Another says, what a lot of you are saying,

people owe so much to this man Tom and his colleagues, protecting the

public, thank you. So grateful for men like this, MI5 spy. 365 says

thank you to all your hard work. Kate says thank you. Hannah, this

spy on your programme has blown my mind. People like Tom do

unimaginable work to keep us safe. Edwards says extraordinary

interview. From one ex-soldier to another, thank you so much. Another

says MI5 should have responsibility to ensure people like Tom have a

future after their life working for the surveillance service. And

another says in one word, excellent. Thank you. Do keep in touch with us.

Karthi's here again now with more sport now on the day that

It's the second Women's Sport Week -

the aim is to celebrate and showcase women's sport at every level,

from the grassroots to the elite level.

The overall aim is to get more women and girls

Delighted to say I have the Olympic Hockey gold medallists

Kate Richardson-Walsh and Sam Quek with me.

It has been about six weeks since you have been back from Rio, going

round the UK, in schools and sports clubs, what kind of reaction have

you had? A fantastic reaction. That is one of the reasons we do what we

do, to be able to go out there and inspire the next generation. It is

part of our vision as a squad, going out there and handing the medal to

the youngster and you see their eyes light up, it's been worth it. With

London 2012 what we were trying to do with getting people carrying

on and playing having watched the sport. Are you seeing that when you

go in and talk to kids, that that might happen? When girls hit teenage

years they tend to drop out of sport? Absolutely. 2012 was the

starting point for women's hockey. Now we have come home with gold from

the Olympics, to go into clubs and schools and hear hundreds of

youngsters have signed up hockey clubs across the country, that's why

we play. You see Holly with the shuttle. Thousands if not millions

were watching. Around 10 million was the viewing figures. Incredible for

your sport. Now you're trying to move that on. Team Up is part of the

campaign. You want girls to experience team events. I think what

we are seeing is people moving towards individual sport? In Britain

we have a long history and love of team sport. England hockey together

with England netball and England cricket... That is a World Cup in

cricket, then the hockey World Cup in 2018 and then the World Cup for

England netball. We are targeting 7-13 year old. We want 150,000

minimum, young girls, playing these team sports. We know all the

benefits you can get from playing team sports and want to give the

others that opportunity. The camaraderie of being in that team

spirit. Clearly a very emotional experience that was partly because

you are doing it with other people? Absolutely. That is a product of

what we do day in and day out. A group of 31 of us, we go through so

many highs and lows. What you saw there that night was probably just a

small snippet of what goes on at Bisham Abbey. A very special

environment to be a part of. Just the mention about lots of athletes

had their medical records put out to the public. Yours was one of them.

You spoke out about the fact that could affect young athletes, can you

explain that? Absolutely. I first found out about it on Twitter. To

see a headline, saying you had taken a banned substance, I was frustrated

because that was not the case at all. Hockey is a clean sport, I am a

clean athlete and I wanted to make that transparent. My main concern

was if it's going to continue like that, to be

tarnished with that brush, a young girl training, busting a gut to be

the best she can be, I don't want her to ever think, I won't take the

chance of having a puff of my inhaler in case anything like this

happens in the future. That was my personal concern that is why I spoke

out. Really appreciate you both coming in to talk to. More later.

Thank you. How did robbers in Paris get through

layers of security to hold up Kim Kardashian at gunpoint and steal

millions of pounds worth of her jewellery? She is said to be badly

shaken. Her husband, Kanye West

left the stage partway through a gig in New York,

telling the crowd he had I'm sorry, family emergency,

I have to stop the show. Our Correspondent Lucy Williamson

joins us from Paris with the latest. What do we know about what happened?

Very little concrete detail, but the picture is emerging of quite a

terrifying experience. A night of horror according to the French media

here. Kim Kardashian was staying in what we believe what a private

rented apartment, a sort of luxury apartment hotel complex, in a very

well-heeled area of central Paris. On Sunday night several armed men,

maybe up to five of them, French newspapers say, burst into the

apartment, overpowering the security guard and locking her in the

bathroom as they stole several million pounds worth of her

jewellery. French police have launched an investigation, as you

could imagine. They have to find out not just what happened but who these

men were and where they are now. How much jewellery debate managed to get

away with, do we know? At least ?6 million was one figure we read in

reports coming out here. As I say, there has been very little

officially confirmed at the moment. The Paris prosecutor is still

looking into it. We may hear something later today. At the moment

it is all unconfirmed reports. There is said to be quite a large amount

of jewellery. One report talking of a single ring which may be worth up

to ?4 million or 4 million euros. Quite significant pieces. Thank you

very much. For the moment, Lucy Williamson in Paris.

Later, a man who has ambushed a number of celebrities recently,

including Kim Kardashian West. Next - could a new, highly accurate

test to identify babies with Down's syndrome lead to an increase

in terminations of babies At the moment, 90% of people

in the UK who know their child will be born with Down's

have a termination - but the current test isn't

completely accurate and can come It's a risk some women

aren't willing to take. A new non-invasive prenatal blood

test has a 99% accuracy and no risk of miscarriage -

and the government is currently considering whether to

roll it out on the NHS. The Miranda and Bridget Jones

actress Sally Phillips has a child with down's syndrome and she's made

a documentary around the new prenatal test

in A World Without Down's Syndrome. And a World Without Down's

is on BBC Two on Wednesday at 9pm. People with Down's have an extra

copy of chromosome 21, which means they develop differently

and have varying levels In the UK, about 750 babies are born

with Down's syndrome every year. We can talk now to Nursev Morris

and her husband John, who are here with their

eight-month-old baby Benjamin, Lucienne Cooper who's

here with her six-year-old son Billy, and Karen Taylor

who says she would have terminated her pregnancies

if they had tested Welcome all of you. Thank you for

coming on the programme. Thank you. You had the initial test for Down's

on the NHS and then went privately to have the new test, why? Because I

wanted an accurate result. I had been told by the screening lady when

she called to give us our results that they were high risk, that was

one of the options we could go and have the harmony test privately was

non-invasive or we could have the invasive test where there was an

injection through to the baby, but that carried a risk of miscarriage.

Miscarriage. We thought it best to go with the harmony test. What were

the results? The results came back to say that it was 99. .9% accurate

that baby was going to have Down's Syndrome. And how did you react? It

was a big shock for us. It was a big shock. There was a lot to process,

but we had already decided from the outset as soon as we got the initial

results that we were never going to terminate. We're Christians, we

don't believe that we should terminate our baby. So we knew that

we would love him anyhow and just have to go with the flow. Why did

you go for the second test if you had already made a decision there

was no way would you have an abortion? Just so we could know...

Peace of mind. So we know what we're dealing with and prepare ourselves.

In terms of preparing yourself, what support did you get from the NHS?

None. To be frank. None to be frank unfortunately. They must have said

something, what did they say? They said, well, we had the results

privately so we went back to them to say these are the results, what

next? They said we would be having appointments with the consultant but

each different consultant we saw, none were experts in down syndrome

and they just didn't have the knowledge, every appointment they

asked us are we still committed to the pregnancy? They seemed to be

pushing abortion more. We were told we don't know what to do with you

because most women would just abort. When you say they seemed to be

pushing abortion more, what specifically were they saying that

led to you think that? Because even though we had made our place clear

from the outset that we weren't going to abort and we wanted to go

ahead with the pregnancy and just needed help, they kept asking, are

you still committed? Are you still committed? Every appointment until

we got to 26 weeks and we were told oh, you're too late now anyway.

Rightment how did that make you feel, John? Very upsetting. It was

just really family and friends that really helped us, yeah. Hello. Hello

Mr, how are you? Hello. Thank you for coming on the programme. You

were told there is a one in 100 chance that Billy would have Down's

and you decided not to have the test, why? The non-invasive test I

don't think was around when I was pregnant with Billy, but they

offered us amino sem tee sis but because of the risk we decided we

wouldn't have it because like them, we knew we weren't going to

terminate our pregnancy. Both of our children are IVF. So we carried on

with the pregnanciment we had the ordinary scans that you get and

nothing was detected until 30 weeks where a blockage in the gastric

tract which is common in children with Down's Syndrome. The test came

back positive. Billy came at 34 weeks. We got the results about 32

weeks and he came at 34 weeks. We had two weeks to process the

information. And how do you process it? I have to say, funnily enough I

was shocked. I didn't think that we would have a child with Down's

Syndrome. I had no experience of children with Down's Syndrome and no

experience of children with disability. I was upset, but if only

I knew now what I didn't know then, the fact, Billy is just part of our

family. He is different. He's, he has this extra com ozone, but I see

it as another path of parenting. It is not the path that we thought we

were going on, it is a different path, but it is still parenting a

child. He has a right to his life. I think he brought an amazing joy to

our life. I'm not saying having a child with a disability is very

simple, it is complicated. It is trying, but I think that's down to

society. The fact that when you are given a diagnosis, a positive

diagnosis for Down's Syndrome, they should say the positives. They

should tell you that your child, what your child is more likely to be

able to do, not the things that he's not able to do. But also they should

say there is support out there. People think that they're going to

have these children and they are going to be left alone to deal with

them and they will be put into institutions before they're 15. Life

isn't like that with a child with a disability. I'm lucky to live in the

London Borough of Sutton where there is a lot of support which kicked in

as soon as he was born to help me come to terms with it, but also to

help him reach his full potential. Sure. Karen, hello. Three daughters,

22, 15 and 13. You had the Down's test for the young irtwo? Yes, I

did. You believe that had the test come back positive, that you would

have terminated those pregnancies? It is not quite as simple as that.

My daughter Lily is 20 actually and she has profound learning

difficulties. She is amazing and I love her with all my heart. But it

has been a really hard, hard journey and there was a six-and-a-half year

gap between Lily and Poppy. And there is many reasons why I would

have had to have considered terminating the pregnancy of Poppy

and Daisy if they had special needs. Lily doesn't have Down's, she has

the lowest IQ. She was delayed with all the major milestones, but I

didn't know because I was a first time mum and she looked perfect,

whatever perfect is, and I just adored her, but it was really hard

looking after her. She wasn't a happy baby. We didn't get smiles and

chuckles and there was no rewards. It was just a really tough, hard,

slog. At about 20 months wemp forced, if you like, in

inadvertently to go and see a behavioural specialist, wheeled

development specialist and it was the worst experience of my life and

we were told in the most callus and cruel way that our child was a third

behind and would never make up that difference and I couldn't conceive

what she was trying to tell me. I knew nothing about the world of

special needs. There was no help and I think I made noises when in the

end she just didn't know what to do with me because I kept saying, "We

can get her extra help with reading. We can get extra help, that's fine.

A third behind. That's not that bad. With our help Lily would be

brilliant. She" She said Lily is mentally retarded and she will never

catch up. That was her words. Yes, she used the words, "Mentally

retarded." She didn't know what to do with me because I didn't know

what learning difficulties meant. Extra speech and language therapy

and we will get a tutor and beat it, but we weren't able to beat it. And

it is very expensive. We spent a lot of money that we didn't have on Lily

trying to make her better until finally acceptance sank in. Possibly

it was more difficult because I didn't have an exact diagnosis and I

didn't know why. One of the questions that Sally Phillips raises

in the documentary which will be shown on Wednesday night is with

this new highly accurate non-invasive test, the one you had

privately, the Government considering at the moment whether it

roll it out across the NHS, will down syndrome become extinct and she

uses the word extinct. Is that a possibility and if it is, what do

you think of that? I think it is a real possibility actually. I think

the thing that comes out with Down's Syndrome is that medical

professionals are very negative about it. I mean, using words like

mentally retarded is used with children with Down's Syndrome and

new parents are given very negative ideas about children with Down's

Syndrome because the medical profession don't seem to see our

children. It is very medicalised. They may have health problems. They

may, things that they may not do, but on the other side, they may

become very successful within their family. Sure. It is interesting you

think Down's Syndrome may become extinct. What do you two think? You

both had tests and you knew what was coming and you continued with the

pregnancy so maybe it won't be, what do you think? I'd like to hope that

wouldn't be the case and we're supporters of the test because it

gave us the opportunity personally and we would have it again and we're

pushing to have it again. I'm pregnant again. Congratulations. I'm

trying to get it on the NHS and we're having to push which is crazy

after we have had the diagnosis with Benjamin. But we are supporters of

it, but knowing how the society is and how people think about children

with Down's Syndrome and because the understanding is not there within

the NHS, let alone with us, when we're given the diagnosis, we are

looking to them to give us the answers and yet we're told things as

well like, "Oh, what it means is he'll never be Prime Minister, but

it is all right because Down's kids are good with music." That's the

explanation we received from the NHS. So they need to be clued up. Do

you support women who make their own decision... Of course. Women and

their partners to have a termination if they want to for whatever the

reasons are? The key point is informed choice. What we're arguing

is that there is the side, the negative side of Down's Syndrome has

been spoken about readily, but there is nobody supporting the positive

side. When the ethical committee that decided on bringing out this

non-invasive test, nobody with Down's Syndrome was consulted. No

parents with children with downs sin trom was consulted so it is not an

informed choice. 92% of people who get a positive diagnosis, goes for a

termination, there is going to be a risk that our children will become

extinct, I think. Thank you very much all of you. Thank you for

coming on the programme. Thank you. Good luck. Thank you. Thank you very

much. Still to come, new England boss

Gareth Southgate has been speaking We'll be getting the latest

from our reporter Katie Gornall A man who has recently assaulted

several female celebrities in what he claims are "pranks" gives

an exclusive interview The Chancellor, Philip Hammond,

will say today that a new, more pragmatic economic plan

is required to tackle the "new circumstances" brought

about by the Brexit vote. In his address to the Conservative

Party conference in Birmingham, he'll confirm that he's abandoning

George Osborne's timetable of But he'll also make clear that it

doesn't mean an end to austerity. The reality TV star

Kim Kardashian West has been robbed at gunpoint of jewellery worth

more than ?8 millions. It happened in an

apartment in Paris. The robbers were dressed

as police officers. Kardashian was said

to be "badly shaken". Her husband - Kanye West -

cut short a show in New York when he heard the news,

telling his fans he was leaving The operator of the Southern Rail

network has set a deadline for strike negotiations

with the RMT. Govia Thameslink Railway has given

the union until Thursday to accept an offer aimed at averting strikes,

or it will terminate conductors' contracts and press ahead

with changes to their role. Conductors have been offered a lump

sum of ?2,000 in a bid to bring That is a summary of the latest

news. Join me again at 11. Conservationists say

a United Nations agreement to close all domestic ivory markets will be

a significant step That have seen the number of

elephants shrink by a third. Illegal domestic sales have continued in

many countries, despite a ban on international which has been in

place about 30 years. Critics say the new UN resolution has no legal

standing. Here is some background to the ivory trade dispute.

We have been flying along this flood plain that divides

All the way along here, we have been seeing carcasses of elephants,

some four months old, some less than a week old.

Poaching and trafficing in wildlife is now a branch of

The fight against it will be won by alliances

If this current rate continues, within nine years, Africa could be

left with half of the current estimate of African elephants.

Materialistic greed cannot be allowed to win against our moral

duty to protect threatened species and vulnerable communities.

Highly-trained dogs, which abseil or parachute from helicopters,

have begun to form part of the armoury for South Africa's

Joining us from Birmingham is Philip Mansbridge.

Philip is the UK Director of the International Fund

Thank you for talking to us a second time within a week. This UN

resolution to close all domestic ivory markets, is it... How can you

enforce that? This one will be difficult. What we were hoping for

at the conference in Johannesburg was separate resolutions that really

legally bound countries to close their domestic markets. What we

ended up with with something good, a step in the right direction but

watered down. It says you need to close domestic ivory markets, if you

can prove they are linked to increased poaching. It will be

massively difficult to enforce, because ultimately where ever you

have a parallel market, and that's what we would call it, where there

is legal and illegal trading on the same platforms, it is really hard.

It is hard for the consumer. It sends the wrong message, you don't

know what is legally or illegally sourced ivory. Where does the demand

come from? For many it is a surprise there are still demand, but there

is, mainly in Asia and Vietnam. It is seen as a marking of status, for

jewellery or ornaments, and is something associated with luxury and

wealth in these countries still. We are seeing a change in attitudes.

We're working on the ground in places like China to change

behaviour. What was interesting, at the conference in Johannesburg, one

of the key advocates of the ban was China. It now seems so China is

changing its tune and wanting to come on board and end this horrid,

barbaric trade. You did it successfully, mostly with further.

Do you think you can achieve the same with ivory? I do, I really do,

but it will take international commitment. We want tougher

resolutions, not these watered-down resolution. We have to take action.

One elephant every 15 minutes is being killed for their ivory in

Africa alone. The recent survey showed in the last seven years, 30%

of the elephant population has been lost. We don't really have time to

mess around with resolutions, we have to go in and go in tough, but

it need uniform, co-ordinated approach. Thank you very much,

Philip, for coming on the programme again.

England's caretaker football manager, Gareth Southgate,

says he hasn't had a chance to consider whether he'd

He's been speaking publicly for the first time since

the departure of Sam Allardyce last week, after a newspaper

Well, all I can say is when I came in here Tuesday morning, I didn't

expect to be in charge of the team at six o'clock at night. Things

happened so quickly. The situation developed so quickly. But, I think,

when you're in football, you get used to that sort of speed of the

way things happen. And it was a moment to step up and put myself

forward as the leader of this group. I think when I was looking at how

this might play out for the team, I was in the best position to take

them forward for these matches. Let's talk to our reporter

Katie Gornall who's in Burton What else did he have to say?

I think we got a sense from Gareth Southgate that these difficult

circumstances, in which he took over, after Sam Allardyce left after

the controversial remarks he made undercover reporters from the Daily

Telegraph. Gareth Southgate gave a press conference today, in a seat

barely warmed by his predecessor. He came across very well, he seemed

confident and measured. He said it has been a difficult weekend he

never expected to be had. He used the word leadership a lot when he

was speaking today. He added he had exchanged messages with Sam

Allardyce, that he felt it was important to show he was not a man

waiting in the wings for his opportunity, that this was a

situation he didn't expect to be in. He was asked about the controversy

of recent weeks as well, the fact that football's reputation has been

battered and if that were very low ebb. He said he is involved in a

sport he loves, in an industry at times he doesn't like. He didn't

elaborate on that but went on to talk about the role he has coming up

and said it was a huge honour for him to step into the England

manager's job for himself, for his family. He doesn't feel it is a role

that has been diminished in any way by recent events. He said he was

looking forward to the challenge. He has four games to lay claim to the

job on a permanent basis, if that's what he wants, starting with the

game against Malta at the weekend. What did he say about the squad and

the people he's picked and selected? Talking about the squad, we have had

big changes off the pitch. A lot of continuity on it. Gareth Southgate's

squad, keeping Wayne Rooney as captain. Full of praise for Wayne

Rooney and today's press conference. He said he is a leader and this is

what the team needs at the moment, this kind of leadership to steer

them through. He has brought in Marcus Rashford from Manchester

United and Jesse Lingard, two youngsters he knows well from his

under 21 steam. Changes brought about by injuries as well to Harry

Kane, Adam Lallana and Nathaniel Clyne. He has brought in a bit of a

surprise defender, in Glen Johnson, the Stoke City defender. 32 years

old, it's been awhile since he turned out for England. He spoke of

Johnson's experience. I think that was the key message from Gareth

Southgate today, when he was talking about himself and talking about his

team. He acknowledges these are difficult times for England but

feels he needs people with experience and leadership to step up

to this challenge. Thank you Katie. Next this morning -

in an exclusive interview - a man who's recently ambushed

several female celebrities in what he claims are "pranks",

but which many consider assault tells this programme he's doing

it to try and protest In the last few weeks Vitalii Sediuk

has attacked the model Gigi Hadid and Kim Kardashian West -

but his stunts go Vitalli Sediuk originally

from Ukraine and calls himself But he is in the spotlight more

for how he treats celebrities, He explains the reasons

behind his behaviour on social media and says he does things to highlight

what he sees as hypocrisy. For example, on his recent antics,

he says he wanted to draw attention to Kim Kardashian West's bottom

because he claims she has implants. He says he tried to lift the model

Gigi Hadid Milan because he thinks she has no merit in the fashion

industry and he says he tackled American Vogue editor Anna Winter

because she has turned His stunts are routinely called

pranks but others say his behaviour is a form of assault

and that he is a misogynist. It is suggested the reason he gets

away with his behaviour is because it targets those

who don't want the hassle of pressing charges,

except he has been banned. A court in the US felt guilty

of assault on the act of Brad Pitt and he was barred from every

red-carpet event in LA and forced So, his reasons for ambushing

celebrities still remain unclear, especially to the many who say

they can't see the funny side He explained what he is trying to

achieve and he accosts these celebrities. Cost might not be the

best word, but I am doing this for attention. The bigger the attention

I receive, the bigger platform I get to express my opinion on certain

subjects. I basically said I was protesting against Instagram cute

girls who have nothing to do with high-fashion, like Gigi. I try to be

entertaining, but at the same time might have this platform and I can

use it in many different ways. You don't like the word accost but some

call it assault. Gigi said she felt she was in danger when you picked

her up and stopped her being able to move. I don't think... I would be

surprised as well as someone lifted me up from behind, but we don't call

it assault what Ellen and does in the United States, when someone

comes from behind and scares the celebrity guest. Ellen is a

celebrity and it's a nice studios on one complains. What I do is

basically the same. Not jumping and scaring someone... I basically made

this contact with the body because I know it will get press attention,

because I'm a reporter, I know how this industry works... If you go on

Ellen's show, you know to expect something like that. By consenting

to go on the programme, you are consenting to having a laugh, japes

and all the rest of it. If someone is going about their daily business

and suddenly from behind a stranger comes up and lifts them up, that's

alarming, that is invading their body space, if not worse.

My style of entertainment and my kind of exclusive. I would feel bad

if I had bad intention. My intention is never to offend someone. I will

never cross the line like punching someone, no, but I know that if I

did something like that trying to kiss her famous Derry air, it will

get me attention. The news that Kim has been tar robbed at gun point.

Would you still target her? No. No. No, absolutely. I'm not obsessed

with Kim. Dealing with the Kardashins is not easy. They

control. I consider them American Mafia. I believe Kim will do

everything possible to let me down or to have my visa revoked and