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Hello, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

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This morning, we'll be live at the publication of a report

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into the stabbing of Aberdeen schoolboy Bailey Gwynne,

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who was killed by a fellow pupil in a fight at Cults Academy last

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Were warning signs about his killer missed?

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Also on the programme, people in serious debt who have

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mental-health issues are being charged, sometimes over ?100,

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for doctors' letters flagging their condition.

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We find out about the campaign that wants to stop the charging.

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And, a major report from Save The Children says that

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around the world a girl under the age of 15 is married

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Hello, welcome to the programme, we're live until 11am this morning.

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Save The Children says a 15-year-old girl is married every seven seconds.

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Model Poppy Delevigne has been to Ethiopia to see

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If you have been charged for a letter or medical evidence from your

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GP, let us know, we will talk to Martin Lewis at 9:45am.

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The electronics company Samsung has told customers around the world

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to turn off their Galaxy Note 7 smartphones while it

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investigates why some of the devices have caught fire.

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It's also suspended global sales of the new phone,

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which has yet to be officially released in the UK.

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Samsung boasted about its water-resistant properties.

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But now, the Galaxy Note 7 has been withdrawn from sale

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Anyone who has one is being told to switch it off and keep it off.

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Samsung had to recall more than 2 million phones last month,

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when reports began to emerge of the battery catching fire.

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But then there were fresh reports of the replacement phones doing

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exactly the same thing, in this case on a plane.

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I noticed smoke just pouring out of my pocket.

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I pulled the phone out of my pocket, threw it on the ground,

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Many airlines have now banned their passengers

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This 13-year-old girl in Minnesota said her thumb was burnt

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Pulled it up, and I saw smoke, and I threw it on the floor.

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It felt like pins and needles, except a lot more intense.

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Samsung have not said what is causing the new problem.

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Clearly, after new phones have been released, after the recall,

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and the new phones have issues as well, there's something else

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in the phone circuitry that Samsung missed and they should be fixing.

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Samsung's shares have plunged in value.

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The company is struggling to control the fallout from this latest crisis.

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Let's chat to our Technology Correspondent Rory Cellan-Jones.

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You have one of these phones, you have switched it off, which is the

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advice, because what might happen if you switch it on? The first time it

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came out, in late August in parts of the world, on the day it was due to

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go on sale in the UK they put out this global recall, because some of

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them had caught fire in various places. They thought they had dealt

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with it, they replaced them. This is a replacement phone. Last week,

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reports started emerging from the US, we have had at least five now,

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the same thing happening. They thought they had dealt with what

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they said was a fault with a battery from one supplier. The new phones

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had batteries from different suppliers. The same problem has

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occurred. One teenage girl in the United States said it started

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burning up in her hand. She dropped it on the floor, started smoking. A

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passenger on an aircraft, the phone started smoking. A huge crisis for

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Samsung. Is it partly because we are asking for a tiny battery to do so

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much? Absolutely. These batteries are miracles, they are packing a lot

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of energy into smaller spaces, we will be phones to last all day, they

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rarely do. In some cases, it does not have to be many, just too much

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strain is being put on the batteries. It is a nightmare for the

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company, but it is a nightmare timing wise, because of Apple's new

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iPhone, and Google's products. What can they do to restore their

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reputation? They have got a lot of praise at the beginning of September

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when they had the global recall, people said they are spending the

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money, putting safety first. This time they have been more

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flat-footed, the reports started emerging, they did not seem

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concerned. I have spoken to them yesterday afternoon because a

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customer in the UK was worried. They said, no worries, he has got a

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replacement phone, it is fine to use. If you hours later they put out

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this statement. A lot of work to do to stop the affect of this damaging

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the whole brand. They are the top end smartphone maker in the android

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market, which is much bigger than the Apple market. They have got this

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new high-end competitor from Google, the owners of android, so they are

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facing stiff competition. They are in disarray. We will talk more

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later. Joanna is in the BBC

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Newsroom with a summary A new series of stoppages has begun

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this morning on Southern Railway. The dispute over changes to the role

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of conductors on trains has already caused months of disruption

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for passengers in Welcome to the country's most

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unreliable train service. Strikes are becoming part

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of the daily commute. They are caught in the middle

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of a row about who does this, The company wants drivers to take

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on the job from on-board conductors, saying it's common practice on other

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trains and it frees them up The RMT union says its less safe

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and will eventually cost jobs. One thing would be for a passenger

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assembly where members of the RMT, where management from GTR

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and where Government ministers gave straight answers to straight

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questions about this debacle. There has been way too much blame

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shifting going on and passengers just want to know when they will be

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able to depend on a rail service to get them to work and to get them

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home again at the end of the day. Both sides have upped

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the ante in recent weeks. Southern has told conductors

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to sign new contacts, accepting changes to their role,

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or potentially lose their job. The RMT union has told members

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to sign the contracts This latest action will last three

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days but it is part of 14 days of walk-outs between now and early

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December. There seems little chance

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of a deal any time soon. Receptionists questioning patients

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about why they need to see their GP could be putting sick people off

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making an appointment, according to a survey

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by Cancer Research UK. Almost 40% of patients said

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they disliked talking to GPs see 60 million more patients

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a year compared to five years ago, and say that their receptionists

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play a pivotal role. But Cancer Research UK's study

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suggests receptionists' questions can discourage people from seeing

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the doctor at all. Of the 2,000 people questioned,

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40% said talking to receptionists about their symptoms put them

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off from going. 42% said difficulty getting

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a convenient time was a barrier, and 42% said they were discouraged

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by problems in seeing Cancer Research UK says Britain's

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cancer-survival rate is amongst the lowest

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of developed countries, and reducing late

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diagnosis is crucial. It's very important to understand

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what might put people off In fact, it is certainly not

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the whole explanation. But it may possibly be playing

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into something around how comfortable people feel

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when they are going to talk The Royal College of GPs said it

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understood that patients would sometimes prefer to speak

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to their doctor directly, especially if their concern

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was sensitive in nature. A former cabinet minister has

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likened Russia's role in the war in Syria to that of the Nazi regime

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in the 1930s. Ahead of an emergency Commons debate

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on the humanitarian crisis in the Syrian city of Aleppo,

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Andrew Mitchell accused Russia of "shredding" international law

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with its bombing campaign Our Assistant Political

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Editor Norman Smith Does he say what he wants to happen?

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We will hear a lot of condemnation and outrage today about the bombing

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of civilians, but in terms of concrete lands, something to do, I

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doubt we will hear much at all, because the indications are that the

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diplomatic route has hit a brick wall, with Russia vetoing United

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Nations resolutions, the merger route seems to going nowhere while

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America is locked in a presidential election, and there is a reluctance

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to confront Russia. When you put that together, while we will help's

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hear plenty of condemnation, from the Foreign Secretary and Defence

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Secretary, whether we will actually hear some sort of plan to stop the

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bombing seems pretty doubtful, albeit that Andrew Mitchell, when he

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was speaking to Victoria a short time ago, said it was important that

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at least Parliament expressed its horror at what was going on.

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What the Russians are doing on Aleppo is very similar to what the

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Nazis did to Guernica during the Spanish Civil War in the 1930s. They

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are using incendiary bombs indiscriminate force from the air,

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tipping tonnes of high explosives act from 30,000 feet, and

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pulverising innocent civilians. It is completely unacceptable.

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One option that he is keen to push is the idea of a no-fly zone, to

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provide some sort of safe haven for civilians in and around Aleppo. But

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even that seems questionable. There are doubts as to who would be

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willing to provide that air cover, and what would happen if you ended

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up in a combat situation with Russian planes. Even that option

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seems unlikely to be pursued. Homeowners in flood-risk areas

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should be doing more to protect their homes

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from future damage. That's according to the Association

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of British Insurers, which says owners need

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to make their homes Last month the Environment Agency

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criticised the insurance industry That's a summary of the latest BBC

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News, more at 9:30am. We will talk about the Crown --

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these sweeping the nation, we will talk to a Police and Crime

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Commissioner who says this has got out of hand. That is after 9:30pm.

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-- 9:30am. And a real clown, who says the reputational damage is not

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good. If you have come across a scary clown, let me know, we will

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talk about it just after 9:30am. Sophie says she was charged for a

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letter from her doctor. I needed a note from the GP regarding my mental

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health and the stress upon me from university and other personal

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matters. This was to let me have extra time for a piece of work that

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needed to be handed in. The doctor did not say there was a charge until

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after she wrote it, and I could not collect the letter without paying

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first. I was charged ?15 and it was a measly three lines of writing. I

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was appalled. Your own experiences, do get in touch.

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If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

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Let's get some sport now with John Watson.

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Let's start with some candid comments from Wayne Rooney

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after he reacted to being dropped by England for tonight's

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In a very mature and gracious way. Absolutely. That was the only way he

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could have dealt with it. It would not have reflected on him well if he

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hadn't. He has taken it with good grace, he said it is no

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embarrassment to start from the bench in the World Cup qualifier

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against Slovenia later. He admitted he is not the 17-year-old he was, he

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cannot do the things he did then. He made such a huge impact, he has been

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the shining light ever since. This is the first time in 13 years he has

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not started for England, the first time he will be on the bench for 13

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years of. It is a significant moment in his career. Everybody has an

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opinion on him, it was something reflected in the comments that his

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wife made yesterday, launching to his defence.

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You can understand she feels strongly about it, it must feel that

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everybody has an opinion on where he should be playing at the moment.

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West Ham were in the headlines last week for their treatment

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Seems as though things might have changed?

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We ran a feature as part of women's Sportsweek last week, the ladies

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team were not being afforded the same luxuries that the men's team

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work, they could not train in some of the facilities, they had to warm

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up alongside a road, they had to pay for pitch hire, they had to raise

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money for kit, they had to play in last season's kit. But following a

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complaint lodged with the FA from the team's chairman, who said this

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amounted to sex discrimination, West Ham have acted and they have said

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that they will be brought into the Weston family. They have said,

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women's football will become bigger, better and stronger. Good news for

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their team. Tiger Woods yet another aborted

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comeback for him? Yeah, it is. I guess everybody is still asking the

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question when will we ever see Tiger Woods return to a golf course? He

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planned to make a return numerous times before and he has cancelled

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his most recent appearance. He was due to be playing next week,

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delaying his return to a PGA Tour. Remember, it has been 15 months

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since he last played a competitive match. He was a vice-captain at the

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Ryder Cup. But you just wonder what now for Tiger Woods? It is

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interesting to say, it is not his fitness this time, he had back

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problems, he had an affair which contributed to a drop in form. He

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has blamed not coming back because of injury, but it seems he is fine.

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He says he's fit and healthy, but he doesn't want to play and his game is

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vulnerable and I guess he feels he will only go back and play if he can

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win golf matches and at the moment he doesn't feel like he can do that.

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Thanks, John. On 28th October last year,

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during a lunch break at the Cults Academy in Aberdeen,

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16-year-old Bailey Gwynne, was stabbed in the heart by a fellow

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pupil after a row over a biscuit The killer, who cannot be named,

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was jailed for nine Later this morning, the findings

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of an independent report into the stabbing are expected to be

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critical of social services, after the BBC revealed earlier this

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year that concerns had been raised about the killer nine

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years previously. In a moment, we'll talk

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to Councillor Marie Boulton, who is deputy leader

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of Aberdeen City Council and has But first, our correspondent

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Ben Ando, who is waiting Ben, take us back to

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that day last October. Well, it was a normal school day.

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Thousands and thousands and thousands of schoolchildren up and

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down the country go to school and they take part in their lessons and

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their activities and they have their lunch break and then they go home.

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Unfortunately on this day there was a row, as you said, a scuffle over a

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bus cut and accusations were thrown and it turned into a scuffle, it

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turned into a fight. At that point one of the youngsters involved

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pulled out a knife that he bought on Amazon and stabbed the other once in

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the chest. The knife punctured 16-year-old Bailey Gwynne's heart

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and he died quickly indeed despite attempts to save him at the school.

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The youngster involved was arrested. He was tried and found guilty of

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culpable ham owe side. What was said at his trial was he hadn't acted

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with wicked recklessness, but if he hadn't had the knife the judge said

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clearly this would have been a normal fight with just little more

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injury than perhaps some wounded pride. In the aftermath of that

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trial, it was decided to have an inquiry into this and that's what

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we're having the results of today. Why is an independent report into

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this fatal stabbing deemed necessary? I think probably because

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it is so remarkable by its rarity. This just doesn't happen and the

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Cults Academy, the school involved is widely regarded as one of the

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best State schools in the whole of Scotland. So certainly there was

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shock in this area and in the wider nation as a whole about what exactly

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would happen at a school like that. So the feeling is there needed to be

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some kind of investigation just to establish also whether there is some

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kind of culture of knives in schools. Certainly the teenager who

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was convicted of this killing told the police that he started taking

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the knife into school because he wanted to look tough. Other children

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said they had seen him with the knife, but for whatever reason

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hadn't felt that they could report it to their teachers. So the school

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authorities didn't know. So I think this report will be asking questions

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about whether there is a knife issue in Scottish schools, what kind of

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figures are, if any, recorded? And where we go from here, what lessons

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might be learned. The BBC reported earlier this year as I said in the

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introduction that an allegation against this boy was raised nine

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years ago, tell us about that. Yes, that's right. At the trial, it was

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said that he never had any kind of incident of violence before, but it

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later emerged that back in 2007, on a lane not far from the Cults

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Academy, when he, of course, was nine years younger, when he was only

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seven years old himself, he had been throwing stones or rocks at another

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small child. Now, that child suffered concussion and his parents

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at the time raised concerns with the police and with their local MP, but

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of course, nothing was done. On the other hand, is there any realistic

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feeling that the authorities could have learned a lot, there were two

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incidents that were so far apart in time? Ben, thank you.

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Ben Ando who is waiting for the report to be published and we will,

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of course, bring you the press conference live. It is due at

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10.15pm when the report comes out. Let's talk to councillor Marie

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Bolton. Her three sons go to this school and you too were a pupil

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there, Marie. I wonder when you first heard there was an incident at

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your children's school you thought, it is just some fight, just some

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kind of scuffle? Yeah, I mean, I was chairing a meeting in the town house

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at the time when I got made aware there was an incident at Cults

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Academy. Obviously, your mind certainly wouldn't go to any sort of

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serious incident, but you know obviously it later became apparent

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that it was a lot more serious and there was a weapon involved.

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The school community, the local community, was rightly shocked. As I

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understand it, it is already a close-knit community. How would you

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say the killing of Bailey Gwynne affected people? I mean, obviously

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it was a shock. Nobody expected that. I don't think anybody

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actually, any school in Aberdeen would have expected that. The

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community was close and is even more so. People have rallied to support

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both the school and individuals involved. I think parents in

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particular reflect a lot more on this than the pupils do. We tend to,

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as mothers, I think, think about Bailey's mother and the other

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child's mother and put ourselves in their shoes. I think children tend

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to see the incident as an incident rather than reflecting themselves on

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it. So the community from the church right through have all come together

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and played a part in, I think, reassuring everyone that our

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community is a good community, that our school is still an excellent

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school and that it was just a very, very tragic situation. Yeah, you're

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right about people, for most people, it is unimaginable. For mums and

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dads watching now, you can't imagine sending your son off to school and

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them never returning. No, you can't. You know, I think, as I say, as a

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mother myself, you know, there was a lot more attention to saying goodbye

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in the morning for a while and you know, looking at them sleeping at

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night and it is something that's not afforded to Bailey's mother now. It

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is too painful to even begin to put yourself there. Obviously even now,

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parents are regularly thinking about both families involved and the loss

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that they've suffered. I understand that you believe the

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teenager who stabbed Bailey Gwynne is also a victim, tell us why you

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think that? I don't think, I think we heard earlier that clearly

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nobody, I think, sets out on that course of action to take somebody

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else's life. And I think really you know, it was a scuffle that got out

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of hand. We've heard that if you carry a weapon that you have to

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understand there could be consequences, but I really don't

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think that anyone could have imagined including himself the

:23:41.:23:44.

repercussions of what happened that day. As a local councillor, were you

:23:45.:23:47.

aware of this incident involving the boy who stabbed Bailey Gwynne,

:23:48.:23:50.

throwing rocks at another boy who ended up in hospital with

:23:51.:23:54.

concussion? Concussion all those years ago? Yes, I was very aware of

:23:55.:24:00.

that and you know, I don't want to comment too much on that because

:24:01.:24:04.

obviously it will be addressed through the report which is coming

:24:05.:24:08.

out later on this morning. But I was aware of the situation. Is it

:24:09.:24:12.

accurate that the parents of the injured child, who ended up in

:24:13.:24:15.

hospital, did suggest back then that the attacker might continue on a

:24:16.:24:21.

path of violence? I think there was concerns definitely raised by the

:24:22.:24:27.

parents of the injury child then that there could be a pattern of

:24:28.:24:31.

behaviour emerging that required attention.

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OK. As you say, we will await the report a little later. Thank you for

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your time this morning. Thank you. That is the deputy leader of

:24:40.:24:42.

Aberdeen City Council. The campaign to allow MPs a vote

:24:43.:24:47.

in parliament before the Prime Minister begins her Brexit

:24:48.:24:51.

negotiations isn't going away despite ministers saying

:24:52.:24:53.

there won't be a vote Yesterday the former Labour leader,

:24:54.:24:55.

Ed Miliband, who voted to remain in the EU,

:24:56.:24:59.

told us the government needs consent from Parliament before

:25:00.:25:02.

starting the negotiations. I accept the result

:25:03.:25:04.

of this referendum. The British people voted to leave

:25:05.:25:05.

the European Union. This is not about trying to reverse

:25:06.:25:07.

the result through Parliament. But what they didn't vote

:25:08.:25:12.

for was a particular type of Brexit, and there are lots of decisions

:25:13.:25:16.

to be made about migration, about the economy and the single

:25:17.:25:20.

market, and my point is Parliament's got to take a view on that,

:25:21.:25:24.

if you like, to give the Government Because we know that Theresa May,

:25:25.:25:27.

by the end of March, is going to be triggering Article 50

:25:28.:25:32.

to start leaving the European Union. And my basic point is the Government

:25:33.:25:35.

can't go off and do these negotiations without getting

:25:36.:25:38.

the consent of Parliament for the way they're going to go

:25:39.:25:44.

about these negotiations, and what they're going to be arguing

:25:45.:25:46.

for for the British people. Which is if this is

:25:47.:25:49.

all about sovereignty, the sovereignty of the people -

:25:50.:25:52.

which lots of people who want us to leave Europe,

:25:53.:25:55.

the European Union, said it was - then Parliament, as a representative

:25:56.:25:58.

of the people, has to take a view. And the people have to be

:25:59.:26:01.

consulted, you know? People have to have laid

:26:02.:26:03.

before them the choices, Stephen Phillips is a Conservative

:26:04.:26:05.

MP and he voted to leave He was pushing for an urgent debate

:26:06.:26:24.

on the issue today, but was turned down. When you voted to leave didn't

:26:25.:26:28.

it occur to you that it was in effect a vote giving your party in

:26:29.:26:32.

Government the go-ahead to negotiate its way out of the EU in any way it

:26:33.:26:37.

chose? No, that's not what I think it was at all. I voted Leave

:26:38.:26:41.

personally. I had nothing to do with the leave campaign, I thought it was

:26:42.:26:46.

disgraceful. I voted Leave to ensure the sovereignty to the Parliament to

:26:47.:26:49.

which the people who voted for me at general election returned me. That's

:26:50.:26:53.

why I did it. I think it is wrong for the Government, which has a very

:26:54.:26:57.

clear mandate for Brexit, not to consult Parliament over the precise

:26:58.:27:00.

form of Brexit that we're going to have. We didn't know at the time of

:27:01.:27:05.

the referendum what was on the cards in those terms and there are many

:27:06.:27:09.

ways in which this could go. The Government has a very clear mandate

:27:10.:27:12.

for Brexit, but it has to come and ask Parliament what it is the people

:27:13.:27:15.

of this country actually want in terms of their future relationship

:27:16.:27:17.

with the European Union. And how will you have the answer to that

:27:18.:27:21.

question of what people want? Well, we give the Government a steer in

:27:22.:27:26.

broad terms. Obviously we, as members of Parliament, have very

:27:27.:27:29.

frequent contact with our constituents and with with the

:27:30.:27:32.

businesses in our constituency. My guidance to the Government for

:27:33.:27:35.

example would be that it is imperative that this country remains

:27:36.:27:39.

a member of the single European market. It is our biggest market and

:27:40.:27:43.

for example, for Lincolnshire farmers, many of whom live in my

:27:44.:27:48.

constituency, what we can't see is tariffs imposed on the products that

:27:49.:27:51.

we export to Europe and that's very important for the manufacturing

:27:52.:27:55.

industry in my constituency and you know, we've had leaks overnight from

:27:56.:27:58.

the treasury about what actually a hard Brexit, being outside the

:27:59.:28:01.

single market is going to mean and it will mean a reduction in GDP of

:28:02.:28:06.

10%. That will mean that we cannot pay for the public services which

:28:07.:28:09.

the people of this country actually need and that's why membership of

:28:10.:28:12.

the single market is so important. Right. You called your Government to

:28:13.:28:19.

ranker for not giving you what you want? I voted Leave in order to

:28:20.:28:26.

ensure the sovereignty of this Parliament and to remove the tyranny

:28:27.:28:30.

of an unelected European Commission imposing rules on my constituents

:28:31.:28:33.

and I think that very clearly that you should be able to throw out of

:28:34.:28:39.

office the people who make the rules by which you riff your lives. I

:28:40.:28:43.

didn't tell anyone else how to vote, it seems to me utterly wrong for the

:28:44.:28:47.

Government, having recognised that Parliament is sovereign, not to then

:28:48.:28:50.

go and consult the representatives of the British people. It is just as

:28:51.:28:55.

tyrannical as the previous position that prevailed where the European

:28:56.:28:59.

Commission was making laws, rules and regulations governing our lives

:29:00.:29:01.

without reference to the representatives who was stuck in

:29:02.:29:05.

that place across the road to represent their constituents. The

:29:06.:29:08.

Brexit secretary, David Davis, says they will consult the

:29:09.:29:10.

representatives of the British people, you and your colleagues, you

:29:11.:29:14.

will get plenty of chances to debat the issue? Well, in a sense we had a

:29:15.:29:18.

chance yesterday, there was a very lengthy statement in the House of

:29:19.:29:21.

Commons. But that's a statement by the Government as to its position

:29:22.:29:24.

and frankly, it didn't contain a great deal of information. That's

:29:25.:29:27.

all it is. It is not asking Parliament. Asking members of

:29:28.:29:31.

Parliament on behalf of their constituents what sort of Brexit we

:29:32.:29:35.

actually want? What sort of Brexit is in the country's best interests

:29:36.:29:39.

and I'm not asking and nobody else is for a running commentry on the

:29:40.:29:42.

negotiations, but there are a number of different ways which this could

:29:43.:29:47.

play out. We could go down the route that Norway did or Switzerland did,

:29:48.:29:52.

we go down a road where we have hard Brexit or we could have a bespoke

:29:53.:29:58.

deal, given that we are a permanent member of the United Nations

:29:59.:30:03.

Security Council, Europe's largest trading partner that's realistically

:30:04.:30:06.

on the table and that bespoke deal is what the Government has to come

:30:07.:30:09.

to Parliament to listen to the views of MPs to see what deal it is that

:30:10.:30:12.

we actually want, how important is immigration, how important is the

:30:13.:30:16.

single market, what is it that the people of this country want having

:30:17.:30:19.

been given a clear mandate to the British Government to take us out of

:30:20.:30:22.

the EU, what is the particular deal that we want and you should consult

:30:23.:30:26.

Parliament over that? That's what the Government should be doing.

:30:27.:30:31.

Why would the Government want to show their hand, even though it

:30:32.:30:37.

might mean consulting Duke in the Commons, before beginning the

:30:38.:30:42.

negotiations with the of Europe? David Davis said he did not think it

:30:43.:30:49.

was... They wanted to negotiate what they thought was in the national

:30:50.:30:53.

interest without being constrained by consulting with you. We are not

:30:54.:30:58.

asking for a detailed, blow by blow account of what goes on. But as I

:30:59.:31:04.

say, there are a number of different ways in which this can play at, and

:31:05.:31:08.

the Government needs to know what the representatives of the people of

:31:09.:31:11.

this country think about the broad thrust of the ultimate outcome. The

:31:12.:31:18.

other problem, which is hopeless, at the moment the Government starts

:31:19.:31:20.

negotiating with 27 other governments, the position is not

:31:21.:31:26.

only going to leak, it will be openly discussed in 27 other

:31:27.:31:32.

parliaments within Europe. Why is our Parliament the only one which is

:31:33.:31:36.

not going to know precisely what the Government's broad position is? It

:31:37.:31:40.

is proposed is. It sounds like you don't trust Theresa May and David

:31:41.:31:47.

Davis. It is not that, but I think they need to listen to what the

:31:48.:31:52.

views of my constituents are, as expressed through me. They were

:31:53.:31:57.

clear, by a clear majority, they wanted to leave the EU. We are going

:31:58.:32:05.

to leave. The Prime Minister has been clear about that. But what

:32:06.:32:09.

David and the Prime Minister need to listen to is what form Parliament

:32:10.:32:15.

thinks leaving Europe should take. That is why we need these debates,

:32:16.:32:20.

and it is white Parliament needs, before the Government figures

:32:21.:32:24.

Article 50, to vote on the broad thrust of where we are trying to get

:32:25.:32:32.

to. If you don't get that? When Teresa May was Home Secretary I

:32:33.:32:37.

fought her onto issues, I record is played two, one two. If you don't

:32:38.:32:43.

win this, then what? I shall carry on fighting. My job is to exercise

:32:44.:32:47.

my judgment and do what I think is right, irrespective of how much that

:32:48.:32:52.

might upset the Government or my whips or anybody else. I was stuck

:32:53.:32:56.

in Parliament by the people of my constituency to do what I think is

:32:57.:33:03.

right, and that is what I am doing. You voted to leave the EU. And he

:33:04.:33:10.

wants quite a bit from the Government. We will see what they

:33:11.:33:11.

do, this campaign will continue. Still to come, a new craze

:33:12.:33:17.

is spreading across the nation, people are dressing as clowns

:33:18.:33:19.

and frightening people in the street, but why do

:33:20.:33:21.

we find clowns so scary? We will talk to parents of children

:33:22.:33:30.

who have been affected, and a real crowd who says the craze is having a

:33:31.:33:34.

bad effect on his business. And, the Police and Crime Commissioner for

:33:35.:33:37.

Northumbria. And people with mental health issues

:33:38.:33:39.

are being charged for doctors Sometimes up to ?150. Martin Lewis

:33:40.:33:51.

is telling us why he is campaigning for the practice to be stopped.

:33:52.:33:59.

Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:34:00.:34:02.

Samsung has told customers around the world to stop

:34:03.:34:04.

using their Galaxy Note 7 smartphones while it

:34:05.:34:06.

investigates a spate of fires in the original handsets,

:34:07.:34:08.

It's also suspended sales of the new phones.

:34:09.:34:11.

According to the company, 45,000 Note 7s have been

:34:12.:34:13.

bought across Europe through pre-ordering,

:34:14.:34:15.

A new three-day walkout has begun on Southern Railway.

:34:16.:34:21.

The dispute over changes to the role of conductors on trains has

:34:22.:34:24.

already caused months of disruption for passengers

:34:25.:34:26.

Southern says it will be running about 60% of its normal timetable.

:34:27.:34:34.

Receptionists quizzing patients about why they need to see their GP

:34:35.:34:36.

could be putting some sick people off visiting their surgery.

:34:37.:34:40.

That's according to a survey by Cancer Research UK,

:34:41.:34:43.

in which four in ten of those questioned said they disliked having

:34:44.:34:46.

to discuss their illness with office staff in order

:34:47.:34:48.

The charity says this could be putting people's health at risk,

:34:49.:34:53.

as early diagnosis is key in the fight against cancer.

:34:54.:34:58.

A former Conservative cabinet minister has likened Russia's role

:34:59.:35:01.

in the war in Syria to the bombing of civilians carried out

:35:02.:35:04.

by Germany's Nazi regime in Spain in the 1930s.

:35:05.:35:08.

Ahead of an emergency Commons debate on the humanitarian crisis

:35:09.:35:11.

in the Syrian city of Aleppo, Andrew Mitchell accused Russia

:35:12.:35:13.

of "shredding" international law with its bombing campaign

:35:14.:35:17.

What the Russians are doing on Aleppo is very similar to what the

:35:18.:35:32.

Nazis did to Guernica during the Spanish Civil War in the 1930s. They

:35:33.:35:38.

are using incendiary bombs, in disk and it forced from the air, tipping

:35:39.:35:42.

high explosive, tonnes of it, out from 30,000 feet and pulverising

:35:43.:35:47.

innocent civilians. It is completely unacceptable.

:35:48.:35:48.

And you can hear that full interview with Andrew Mitchell after 10am.

:35:49.:35:51.

The UN's secretary-general Ban Ki-moon says a huge response

:35:52.:35:53.

is needed to help the 1.4 million people affected by last

:35:54.:35:56.

He said some towns and cities in the country have

:35:57.:36:00.

Meanwhile, in America, President Obama has declared

:36:01.:36:04.

a state of emergency in the state of North Carolina,

:36:05.:36:07.

releasing federal funds to those affected by the storm.

:36:08.:36:13.

The opposition Labour Party in Australia has blocked government

:36:14.:36:15.

plans to hold a referendum on legalising same-sex marriage.

:36:16.:36:18.

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull wants to hold a non-binding ballot

:36:19.:36:21.

But Labour argues that the decision should be taken by parliament,

:36:22.:36:27.

to avoid what it sees as a divisive and possibly-harmful public debate.

:36:28.:36:33.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 10am.

:36:34.:36:43.

Could I introduce you to a real clown? Come here. How are you? How

:36:44.:36:51.

are you doing? How long have you been a professional clown? 45 years,

:36:52.:36:57.

which is amazing, because I am only 27! You look amazing. We will talk

:36:58.:37:04.

about this scary crown's clown craze. It is in all the media. And

:37:05.:37:14.

on everybody's phone. It is really topical at the moment. It cannot do

:37:15.:37:17.

us any good. We will talk more. Here's some sport now

:37:18.:37:21.

with John Watson. Wayne Rooney says he will not

:37:22.:37:24.

turn his back on playing for England despite being dropped

:37:25.:37:27.

from the starting XI for tonight's World Cup

:37:28.:37:28.

qualifier against Slovenia. Caretaker manager Gareth Southgate

:37:29.:37:31.

said Rooney still provides It's a big night for Scotland,

:37:32.:37:34.

currently two points behind England. They're in Slovakia,

:37:35.:37:41.

and manager Gordon Strachan says he's targeting second place

:37:42.:37:44.

in the group, behind England. Meanwhile, Northern Ireland

:37:45.:37:48.

face a rematch tonight with world champions Germany,

:37:49.:37:50.

just four months after losing to And, Tiger Woods delays yet another

:37:51.:37:52.

comeback to tournament golf, When we will see -- when the deal we

:37:53.:38:12.

see him play another competitive game of golf? It is not looking like

:38:13.:38:14.

any time soon at the moment. One girl under 15 is married every

:38:15.:38:30.

seven seconds. A model recently went to Ethiopia to see the problem

:38:31.:38:34.

first-hand, we will talk to her live later, along with other campaigners,

:38:35.:38:37.

but first, a little of what you found.

:38:38.:38:42.

We are here in Ethiopian, somewhere I have wanted to travel to since I

:38:43.:38:47.

was a little girl, and we will investigate child marriage and

:38:48.:38:51.

female genital mutilation and the issues and concerns that surround

:38:52.:38:52.

these topics. So we've just arrived in a small

:38:53.:38:56.

village in Marfranc. This is where they run

:38:57.:39:04.

the Save The Children programme Keep It Real, and I'm going to be

:39:05.:39:06.

speaking to young girls Nice to meet you, how

:39:07.:39:09.

are you? So, right now I'm with

:39:10.:39:11.

this beautiful girl. We're at her school, and she's just

:39:12.:39:17.

been telling me all about her story She was 11 years old when she was

:39:18.:39:21.

proposition to be married. And with the help of

:39:22.:39:28.

Save The Children's Keep It Real programme, she learned

:39:29.:39:30.

about all the problems And with the help of her brother

:39:31.:39:32.

and sister, they managed to persuade her parents that child

:39:33.:39:36.

marriage was not a good thing. She is now at school

:39:37.:39:40.

and is number one... When she even told me that I should

:39:41.:39:43.

ask the teacher if that is true. I hear that you were

:39:44.:39:52.

married as a child. Would it be OK for me

:39:53.:39:59.

to come to your home So I spent my afternoon

:40:00.:40:02.

with the lovely Salaam, When she was just 13 years

:40:03.:40:14.

old, she was married. And by the time she was 14 she was

:40:15.:40:19.

pregnant with her first child. But when she was nine months

:40:20.:40:22.

pregnant, she left her husband as he was physically abusive,

:40:23.:40:25.

and moved back in with her family. But not only that,

:40:26.:40:30.

when she was engaged to him he promised her that she would still

:40:31.:40:33.

have an opportunity to have an education,

:40:34.:40:35.

something that he totally And instead, she did house chores

:40:36.:40:37.

and had to work unbearable hours, something that a 13-year-old really

:40:38.:40:44.

shouldn't have to do. I have a 13-year-old cousin,

:40:45.:40:47.

and the idea of her getting married and then by next year

:40:48.:40:53.

having a baby, to me, It's something that I can't

:40:54.:40:57.

believe is happening But the lovely Salaam has got

:40:58.:41:03.

a bright future ahead of her. And it was truly an honour

:41:04.:41:15.

for her to share her story with me. We will be talking to

:41:16.:41:22.

Poppy Delevigne after 10am along with the director

:41:23.:41:25.

of Save The Children and a woman who was herself a child bride,

:41:26.:41:33.

Shobha Dheru was nine years old when she was married

:41:34.:41:36.

to an 11-year-old boy. The "scary-clown" craze

:41:37.:41:42.

is spreading across the UK, with one police force dealing

:41:43.:41:48.

with 14 reports in 24 hours. Officers have been called

:41:49.:41:52.

to a string of incidents where pranksters or criminals dress

:41:53.:41:54.

as clowns to try to scare There have been reports of these

:41:55.:41:58.

clowns using weapons, The phenomenon took off

:41:59.:42:02.

in the United States in late summer and has quickly spread around

:42:03.:42:08.

the world, with reports of clowns committing criminal acts as far

:42:09.:42:10.

away as New Zealand. It may have started in America,

:42:11.:42:14.

but clown sightings are becoming an increasing problem for police

:42:15.:43:09.

and communities in Britain. Thames Valley Police say

:43:10.:43:13.

they received 14 calls In Norwich, a man was arrested

:43:14.:43:16.

after a clown left a woman And in County Durham, someone

:43:17.:43:23.

dressed as a clown near a school We can speak now to Mattie Faint,

:43:24.:43:28.

who's been a professional In our Newcastle studio

:43:29.:43:35.

is Vera Baird, Northumbria's Police With her is Charlene Paterson,

:43:36.:43:40.

whose daughter's school was put into lockdown after threats

:43:41.:43:45.

from clowns in the surrounding area. Yes, that was similar to what

:43:46.:44:02.

happened. What did happen? Clowns have threatened the areas, the

:44:03.:44:07.

schools of Newcastle, and every school as a precaution but in

:44:08.:44:12.

measures to make sure nobody was hurt. It was to make sure nobody

:44:13.:44:19.

came in or out of the schools. What affect did it have on your daughter?

:44:20.:44:26.

It is general fear, not just on her, but all of her friends, everybody

:44:27.:44:29.

else in the school. What are you afraid of? Who is behind the mask?

:44:30.:44:36.

Nobody knows. You don't know if it is a 15-year-old looking for a

:44:37.:44:41.

giggle or a 30 man who is looking to do far different. Police forces are

:44:42.:44:48.

taking this so-called craze seriously, aren't they? They have

:44:49.:44:54.

to. It started off as fun. But on Sunday, and that was arrested aged

:44:55.:45:01.

13, he had a sharp knife with him, we are satisfied it was to scare,

:45:02.:45:08.

but nonetheless it was sinister. It has been taken over by some sinister

:45:09.:45:12.

people, and now nobody knows who is in which camp, but the message now

:45:13.:45:17.

is to say, don't go outside dressed as a clown, because people will take

:45:18.:45:19.

it the wrong way. Mattie, it is no good for your

:45:20.:45:29.

business? It is frightening. It is frightening. It is. When we spend

:45:30.:45:33.

our whole life as clowns trying to make people happy and laugh and

:45:34.:45:38.

these idiots within seconds can ruin everything for a child's

:45:39.:45:41.

imagination, you know. It is very sad. Very sad. And as Charlene said,

:45:42.:45:48.

it could be a kid doing a prank or it could be something more sinister?

:45:49.:45:55.

Yeah. Using your get up to... All led by America and it was all led by

:45:56.:45:59.

Hallowe'en. This is just a phase. It happens every year to a certain

:46:00.:46:03.

extent, but this year it is particularly bad with all the

:46:04.:46:06.

sightings around the country. We are weeks away from Hallowe'en yet. We

:46:07.:46:10.

have got three weeks of this. It is horrible. Horrible. It has put a

:46:11.:46:16.

shockwave through the industry through clowning. It has devastated.

:46:17.:46:21.

What's your message to fake clowns? Well, you know, there is ?1,000 fine

:46:22.:46:29.

if you're doing it in the street and you're dressed up and the police

:46:30.:46:34.

will prosecute. Not for dressing up? Not for dressing up, but

:46:35.:46:38.

for-weeks-olding knives and being aggressive. Vera? Only that you've

:46:39.:46:46.

got it right. It is not, it is no crime in dressing up, but the fear

:46:47.:46:51.

is you might cause harassment, alarm or distress to somebody and that's

:46:52.:46:55.

an offence you can get fined or go to prison for. Of course, most

:46:56.:47:00.

people are not about that and we have had very few serious incidents

:47:01.:47:06.

in Northumbria, we have had a couple of sightings of people dressed as

:47:07.:47:11.

clown, but 13 or 14 offences of the nature that you're talking to

:47:12.:47:14.

describes, so nothing serious. The trouble is the level of worry and

:47:15.:47:18.

the level of concern goes up with every story and a clown who might

:47:19.:47:22.

just be joking becomes a frightening figure. Our cops are going out to

:47:23.:47:28.

schools like Charlene's school took it seriously, not saying that there

:47:29.:47:32.

are great hazards in the streets around you, but just tell all your

:47:33.:47:36.

children, don't dress up like this now, it is not a great idea and if

:47:37.:47:39.

you see anybody and they frighten you, get away, call the police

:47:40.:47:42.

because they will come even if it is a joke, they would rather you were

:47:43.:47:47.

safe than sorry. If it is a joke, it is a complete waste of police time?

:47:48.:47:52.

It is indeed a waste of police time and it is taking up a lot of police

:47:53.:47:59.

time. The message is clear from Northumbria Police, we have

:48:00.:48:03.

neighbourhood cops going around to schools asking headteachers to make

:48:04.:48:06.

announcements, just be sensible. This got into a silly situation and

:48:07.:48:10.

however well-meaning and however you might have spent your pocket money

:48:11.:48:14.

on a clown's outfit in order to have a joke on your best mate, just don't

:48:15.:48:17.

do it because it would be misunderstood and you could scare

:48:18.:48:21.

somebody. Let's just calm it all down and put an end to it.

:48:22.:48:27.

Hallowe'en is great. Do it without putting a mask on. There was an

:48:28.:48:31.

incident in the park which is really close to your house, isn't it? What

:48:32.:48:35.

happened there and how did that affect your 11 and 12-year-olds?

:48:36.:48:39.

Yes, where we live, there is a park directly behind us. Basically there

:48:40.:48:43.

were five individuals dressed as clowns who then proceeded to chase

:48:44.:48:49.

11-year-old children and you know, it's not good of the it is not fair

:48:50.:48:55.

of. It is certainly not funny. It will get to the point where parents

:48:56.:49:01.

will start protecting their kids stopping kids from being scared. You

:49:02.:49:07.

talked about 11 and 12-year-olds being scared which is clearly the

:49:08.:49:10.

case, but there are lots of younger children, four, five,-year-olds who

:49:11.:49:15.

are seeing these who are, you know, ending up having nightmares at

:49:16.:49:18.

night? Some of them aren't sleeping properly. I know that last week

:49:19.:49:23.

there was an individual, a five-year-old girl that I know, and

:49:24.:49:27.

she was absolutely terrified. Simply just to go to sleep in her own home

:49:28.:49:33.

and that's not right. Children shouldn't have that fear. Certainly

:49:34.:49:38.

not to be able to just sleep or go to school or do anything.

:49:39.:49:46.

Matt, as a real clown, as a genuine, legitimate unscary clown, you're

:49:47.:49:50.

here to defend clowns and you've devoted your life to it, why?

:49:51.:49:54.

Because it is a wonderful thing to do. To add laughter to people's

:49:55.:49:59.

lives. Laughter is very cheap and very effective and you know, there

:50:00.:50:06.

is the closest distance between two people as Charlie Chaplin said and

:50:07.:50:11.

it is true. We love to laugh. And clowns are a catalyst to help you

:50:12.:50:15.

laugh, you know. Well, this ain't funny, is it? No, it is not. Thank

:50:16.:50:19.

you very much. Thank you. Thanks a lot. Thank you Vera and Charlene,

:50:20.:50:24.

many thanks. Coming up at 10.15am,

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we will cross to the press conference on the report

:50:40.:50:41.

into the fatal stabbing of Aberdeen GPs can charge for any work that

:50:42.:50:44.

doesn't come to them via the NHS whether that's sick notes for being

:50:45.:50:59.

off work less than seven days, holiday insurance certificates

:51:00.:51:02.

or a fitness certificate People with mental health issues are

:51:03.:51:13.

being charged for doctor's letters explaining their condition.

:51:14.:51:14.

Sometimes up to ?150. Without it, creditors often press

:51:15.:51:20.

on with enforcement - and debt problems spiral further,

:51:21.:51:22.

according to campaigners. We can speak now to Paul Scates,

:51:23.:51:31.

who has bipolar disorder. He was charged ?100 by his GP

:51:32.:51:36.

for a letter confirming his condition after getting into

:51:37.:51:40.

?60,000 debt. Martin Lewis, Founder of

:51:41.:51:46.

Moneysavingexpert.com. And the Money and Mental

:51:47.:51:51.

Health Policy Institute. It is relatively new? We have been

:51:52.:52:01.

going six or seven months and it is a charity to break the link between

:52:02.:52:04.

mental illness and money and debt problems which is a horrendous

:52:05.:52:06.

epidemic across the country. And from her surgery in Kent,

:52:07.:52:09.

Stephanie de Giorgio, a GP who charges for these forms

:52:10.:52:11.

and all other non-NHS Good morning to you. Thank you for

:52:12.:52:18.

coming on the programme. Paul, first of all, tell our audience a little

:52:19.:52:21.

bit about getting into so much debt. Yeah, I mean, the common thing for a

:52:22.:52:25.

lot of people with mental health difficulties especially when you

:52:26.:52:28.

suffer with the condition that I suffer with, when I'm well and I'm

:52:29.:52:31.

working I'm camable and I'm earning money and able to pay my way, but

:52:32.:52:36.

when I become unwell and I've taken out different loans etcetera, what

:52:37.:52:40.

is has happened is there is no kind of safety net there that you know,

:52:41.:52:43.

so the argument I had was and the reason I had to go to the GP was, I

:52:44.:52:48.

wasn't trying to stop or relinquish my responsibility with the loan that

:52:49.:52:51.

I had, but the interest was accruing at quite a rate on a daily basis and

:52:52.:52:55.

my parents and I were kind of saying to the bank can we put a cap on the

:52:56.:52:59.

interest? Can we just put it where it is at and we'll work out, you

:53:00.:53:03.

know, a payment plan? So they said yes, that's fine, you need to get a

:53:04.:53:08.

letter from your GP, if I had gone to my psychiatrist, I would have got

:53:09.:53:14.

the note for free, but being GPs being private practises, it was

:53:15.:53:17.

explained I had to pay ?100, a lot of people don't have that situation

:53:18.:53:21.

of a family that can afford to pay the ?100 and it stopped the interest

:53:22.:53:24.

being accrued, but it is the people that are on the breadline, ?20 would

:53:25.:53:28.

have too much if you have got no money at all. Can you say that your

:53:29.:53:34.

mental health problems are linked to your inability to manage money? Is

:53:35.:53:39.

that fair? Or not? It was in the past, but now, because I've had a

:53:40.:53:43.

lot of help and a lot of psycho education and I now work with

:53:44.:53:46.

people, so I work within services, I work with people trying to help them

:53:47.:53:49.

understand about their sort of behavioural patterns and spending,

:53:50.:53:52.

but certainly for a lot of people, it is very common. The stats are

:53:53.:53:57.

pretty plain. You are five times more likely to be in debt crisis if

:53:58.:54:00.

you have a mental health condition compared to everybody else. Wow. It

:54:01.:54:05.

feeds those who have mental health issues can have debt triggered on

:54:06.:54:08.

the back of it, depression, anxiety, spending conditions. Those who have

:54:09.:54:11.

debts can have mental health conditions trickered off the back of

:54:12.:54:15.

it and unfortunately it is a nasty vicious relationship. Now, this form

:54:16.:54:22.

is doubt the debt and mental health evidence form, it is important to

:54:23.:54:26.

say two thirds of GPs do not charge even though they can charge. Charges

:54:27.:54:31.

when they do charge, are normally between ?20 and ?50, but as high as

:54:32.:54:35.

?150. I want to give you a couple of examples. We've done research on

:54:36.:54:38.

people who have been charged this. Ian suffered from clinical

:54:39.:54:43.

depression, couldn't open his letters and didn't pay his council

:54:44.:54:48.

tax. It was passed on to a debt collection agency and he went to his

:54:49.:54:55.

GP. I didn't have any money left and until my benefits came in. Jackie,

:54:56.:54:58.

complex mental health conditions. Major issues going on. Took out

:54:59.:55:03.

?30,000 loans, shouldn't have been given the debts, we can do that one

:55:04.:55:07.

another day. Money was difficult to find and it was hard to justify

:55:08.:55:10.

spending what I had on something I wasn't sure would make any

:55:11.:55:13.

difference. I was really stressed and confused. She didn't know if

:55:14.:55:17.

this would work, should I spend the money? Decision making abilities is

:55:18.:55:23.

impaired with mental health. There are NHS forms such as if you see

:55:24.:55:27.

want a council tax reduction, that form will be signed by GPs and they

:55:28.:55:30.

can't charge for it. There are those if you want to go on holiday and be

:55:31.:55:35.

fit to fly and get private medical insurance, they can charge for. Our

:55:36.:55:42.

request is simple, Mind plus Re-think, us plus Step Change have

:55:43.:55:45.

written to the health ministers across the UK saying please can we

:55:46.:55:53.

recategorize this form? The damage, there are people who could have

:55:54.:55:57.

their debts wiped out or frozen and they have had terrible mental health

:55:58.:55:59.

conditions who aren't doing this because of the fear of, because they

:56:00.:56:03.

are being put off because they are being charged and not every GP does

:56:04.:56:08.

it. It is a postcode Lottery. Stop the charge is the name of this

:56:09.:56:12.

campaign. Stephanie, will you stop the charge? Not until it is an NHS

:56:13.:56:22.

service, no. I have massive empathy and sympathy with the people who

:56:23.:56:27.

have accrued debt, but I have a very busy work schedule. I have a massive

:56:28.:56:34.

amount of work. This is a private work issue. That is the same as all

:56:35.:56:38.

of the other notes that we do and I think one of the things that we have

:56:39.:56:42.

to think about here, although I'm very, very clear on what people are

:56:43.:56:46.

saying today, is how do we as GPs different ate one piece of private

:56:47.:56:50.

work from another? How do we different ate between somebody

:56:51.:56:53.

becoming into debt because of a mental health problem and someone

:56:54.:56:56.

coming into debt because of a physical health problem? Are we

:56:57.:57:00.

supposed to judge that one is more deserving of free notes than the

:57:01.:57:04.

other? The other thing is that all private work takes time. And if

:57:05.:57:09.

people want us to do more work privately, for free, then what are

:57:10.:57:13.

we going to stop as GPs to enable us to do that? Can I come in there? In

:57:14.:57:21.

secondary care services, psychiatrists would not charge for

:57:22.:57:23.

that letter. I'm trying towned stand, it is a standard form, this

:57:24.:57:30.

extra colossal amount of work doesn't fit with my experience and

:57:31.:57:34.

Martin's experience as the clients that he mentioned earlier. So I'm

:57:35.:57:39.

perplexed by that answer. I'm not sure why it is confusing. The

:57:40.:57:44.

hospitals actually could charge, they choose not to, but hospitals

:57:45.:57:49.

are in a redifferent situation. We are smaller organisations. We get

:57:50.:57:56.

approximately between 90 and ?136 per patient per year to do

:57:57.:58:02.

everything for those patients. We are also the maximum of our workload

:58:03.:58:06.

in terms of safety, we are possibly past that now. You are asking us to

:58:07.:58:12.

do more work for free. How long does it take to do that form

:58:13.:58:16.

realistically? That form would probably take me up to five minutes,

:58:17.:58:22.

but that five minutes for that piece of private work, why is that more

:58:23.:58:25.

important than five moneys for another piece of private work? All

:58:26.:58:29.

those extra five minutes add up over time. That could cost somebody their

:58:30.:58:34.

mental health which could lead to suicidal thoughts definitely and

:58:35.:58:37.

potentially you could have have a really serious, it will cost more in

:58:38.:58:40.

the long run, that's the stupidity of it. Well, what I would like to

:58:41.:58:45.

say is that the argument you need to have here is with the credit

:58:46.:58:49.

agencies who are asking for GPs to do this. Please stop interrupting

:58:50.:58:56.

me. The credit, if they wish to employ their own doctors to do this,

:58:57.:59:01.

why should a private company expect an NHS GP to provide a service for

:59:02.:59:06.

free? I have a lot of sympathy with your point which is what I was going

:59:07.:59:10.

to say. The problem we have is some GPs charge and some GPs don't and

:59:11.:59:14.

that for me isn't fair and which is why it is for the health ministers

:59:15.:59:17.

to sort this out. However, what I will pick you up on strongly, we

:59:18.:59:22.

spent years lobbying the credit industries, who in some cases are

:59:23.:59:29.

vicious predators to start taking mental health conditions seriously.

:59:30.:59:34.

We got this one form which made it easier for GPs to sign. To start

:59:35.:59:38.

saying we want lenders to get their own doctors. That's a terrible,

:59:39.:59:42.

terrible solution. Right solution is you shouldn't have this choice, it

:59:43.:59:46.

should be an NHS form. We wouldn't have this debate. Some people

:59:47.:59:52.

wouldn't be being charged ?150 when their neighbour at another practise

:59:53.:59:56.

gets it for free. We need consistency, we would save the

:59:57.:00:01.

economy billions of pounds if we sorted out this epidemic and yes, we

:00:02.:00:05.

would save lives and families and save the roof over people's heads

:00:06.:00:07.

and I have sympathy with GPs. We know there are issues in the medical

:00:08.:00:12.

profession about payment, but we have to contrast that ?2030 extra

:00:13.:00:16.

what That a doctor would receive from the cost of the letter to ?20,

:00:17.:00:21.

?30, the average person getting the form have income of under ?100 and

:00:22.:00:24.

they are in debt crisis and they can't afford to pay this and this

:00:25.:00:28.

could give them genuine relief from something that causes them not to

:00:29.:00:31.

sleep, causes them to have more conditions. The average treatment

:00:32.:00:35.

time for someone with clinical depression, who has a debt issue as

:00:36.:00:41.

well is 18 months longer to recover from your clinical depression. This

:00:42.:00:44.

isn't trivial. I respect that doctor's view and it is her choice,

:00:45.:00:48.

but I would like to take the choice away from you. Thank you very much.

:00:49.:00:53.

I appreciate your time, a GP who charges for these forms, but said if

:00:54.:01:00.

they wish we categorised, she would not. We will follow the campaign and

:01:01.:01:10.

see where you get with health ministers, because it is a message

:01:11.:01:14.

to health ministers. There will be more to come, it is here to stay, we

:01:15.:01:20.

want to break the linkage, and there are more stories coming out. The

:01:21.:01:24.

more stories -- research we do, the more stories come out.

:01:25.:01:33.

There you are! We make things so complicated when they could be so

:01:34.:01:34.

simple! It was cold this morning, we had

:01:35.:01:45.

some frost, and we still have fog. We still have fog across central and

:01:46.:01:49.

southern England, down towards the south-west and Wales. A lot of

:01:50.:01:55.

bright skies. All of the thicker cloud in central and eastern areas

:01:56.:01:58.

produces showers, it will drift west, although not all of us will

:01:59.:02:04.

see a shower. It will feel cold in the easterly breeze, despite the

:02:05.:02:09.

fact that temperatures are between nine and 11. This evening and

:02:10.:02:13.

overnight, more cloud than last night. Further showers, still the

:02:14.:02:17.

breeze, temperatures not quite as low. Tomorrow, it will be cloudier

:02:18.:02:24.

than today. Still some rain moving from the west towards the East.

:02:25.:02:29.

Being driven on on the stiff easterly breeze. If you are exposed

:02:30.:02:36.

to it, it will feel nippy. A very quick look at what is happening on

:02:37.:02:41.

Thursday. A windy day for us all. It feels cool in the wind, with further

:02:42.:02:43.

showers to boot. Hello, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

:02:44.:02:45.

welcome to the programme. A child under 15 is married every

:02:46.:02:57.

seven seconds somewhere in the world. We will talk to a woman who

:02:58.:03:08.

was married at nine to an 11-year-old. And a Save the Children

:03:09.:03:11.

ambassador who has been to Ethiopian to investigate.

:03:12.:03:18.

She was promised she would have the chance for an education, but instead

:03:19.:03:19.

she did house chores. Later, we will have an interview

:03:20.:03:27.

with the head of the White Helmets in the Syrian city of Aleppo,

:03:28.:03:30.

and with the MP Andrew Mitchell, who warns that the Russian-backed

:03:31.:03:33.

Assad government is causing They are using incendiary bombs,

:03:34.:03:54.

indiscriminate force from the air, tipping high explosive, tonnes of

:03:55.:03:59.

it, out from 30,000 feet and pulverising innocent civilians. It

:04:00.:04:00.

is completely unacceptable. In a quarter of an hour

:04:01.:04:05.

we will cross to the publication of a report into the fatal stabbing

:04:06.:04:08.

of Aberdeen schoolboy Bailey Gwynne. We will ask, were warning signs

:04:09.:04:13.

missed about his killer? Here's the BBC Newsroom

:04:14.:04:19.

with a summary of today's news. Samsung has told customers

:04:20.:04:22.

around the world to stop using their Galaxy Note 7

:04:23.:04:24.

smartphones while it investigates a spate of fires

:04:25.:04:26.

in the original handsets, It's also suspended

:04:27.:04:29.

sales of the new phones. According to the company,

:04:30.:04:33.

45,000 Note 7s have been bought across Europe

:04:34.:04:37.

through pre-ordering, Experts say batteries have to

:04:38.:04:41.

undergo extensive testing. We try to pick him as many active

:04:42.:05:00.

materials into the battery, a constrained, small package. To try

:05:01.:05:05.

to make the battery last longer. But they have to undergo rigorous safety

:05:06.:05:10.

convocations to make sure that events like these remain extremely

:05:11.:05:11.

rare. An independent report into the death

:05:12.:05:13.

of a 16-year-old boy who was stabbed at an Aberdeen school is due to be

:05:14.:05:16.

published in the next 15 minutes. Bailey Gwynne was fatally wounded

:05:17.:05:20.

by a fellow pupil during a fight His teenage killer,

:05:21.:05:22.

who is too young to be named, was later jailed for nine years

:05:23.:05:26.

after being found guilty A new three-day walkout has begun

:05:27.:05:29.

on Southern Railway. The dispute over changes to the role

:05:30.:05:35.

of conductors on trains has already caused months

:05:36.:05:38.

of disruption for passengers Southern says it will be running

:05:39.:05:41.

about 60% of its normal timetable. Receptionists quizzing patients

:05:42.:05:48.

about why they need to see their GP could be putting some sick people

:05:49.:05:51.

off visiting their surgery. That's according to a survey

:05:52.:05:54.

by Cancer Research UK in which four in ten of those questioned said

:05:55.:05:59.

they disliked having to discuss their illness

:06:00.:06:01.

with office staff in order The charity says this could be

:06:02.:06:04.

putting people's health at risk, as early diagnosis is key

:06:05.:06:08.

in the fight against cancer. That's a summary of

:06:09.:06:16.

the latest BBC News. Do get in touch with us

:06:17.:06:18.

throughout the morning. If you text, you will be charged

:06:19.:06:21.

at the standard network rate. This e-mail, my GP charged me 150

:06:22.:06:36.

quid for medical checks. Peter said, why are doctors charging anything to

:06:37.:06:40.

help a patient? It is outrageous. Keep them coming in.

:06:41.:06:42.

Here's some sport now with John Watson, and some

:06:43.:06:44.

candid and mature comments from Wayne Rooney after

:06:45.:06:46.

Wayne Rooney says he has no plans to quit international football

:06:47.:06:50.

despite being dropped from England's starting lineup for

:06:51.:06:52.

Interim manager Gareth Southgate believes England's all-time leading

:06:53.:06:55.

goal scorer still has a part to play in the team,

:06:56.:06:58.

and Rooney himself feels he can pass on his experience to younger

:06:59.:07:01.

I have played 13 years nonstop for England, I have given everything. A

:07:02.:07:17.

time comes where the manager, you are not the first name on the team

:07:18.:07:25.

sheet, but it is a chance for other players to come in and try and do

:07:26.:07:29.

well. As far as I am concerned, all I can do is keep working hard and

:07:30.:07:32.

making sure I am ready when needed. It seems everyone has an opinion

:07:33.:07:36.

on the Rooney debate. Wife Coleen said as much,

:07:37.:07:38.

taking to Twitter to say... In the same group, it's also

:07:39.:07:56.

a big night for Scotland, Scotland are in Slovakia, hoping

:07:57.:07:59.

to improve on the disappointing 1-1 draw at home to Lithuania

:08:00.:08:04.

on Saturday. Manager Gordon Strachan

:08:05.:08:08.

says his side are targeting second And, Northern Ireland take

:08:09.:08:10.

on Germany in Hanover tonight, just four months after losing

:08:11.:08:21.

to the world champions Michael O'Neill's side are two

:08:22.:08:23.

points behind the Germans The West Ham ladies team have been

:08:24.:08:37.

told they will receive greater support from the club after being

:08:38.:08:41.

brought into their wider structure. Having been made to warm up

:08:42.:08:45.

alongside a busy road, pay for their own pitch hire and have limited

:08:46.:08:49.

access to the training centre, the club chairman said it amounted to

:08:50.:08:53.

sex discrimination and lodged a complaint with the FA. But now the

:08:54.:08:57.

club have acted and say they will make the women's team at, bigger and

:08:58.:08:58.

stronger. Maria Sharapova made her return

:08:59.:09:00.

to tennis last night, playing in a charity exhibition

:09:01.:09:02.

match in Las Vegas. The Russian is still banned

:09:03.:09:05.

until April after testing positive for meldonium,

:09:06.:09:07.

but was on court last night in two doubles matches to benefit

:09:08.:09:10.

Sir Elton John's Aids Foundation. Sharapova's original

:09:11.:09:16.

two-year ban was reduced by nine months last week

:09:17.:09:18.

by the Court Of It is very special to be back on the

:09:19.:09:32.

court, it has been about seven months since I have played in front

:09:33.:09:37.

of spectators and played in a stadium environment. Very thankful

:09:38.:09:41.

for the invitation, happy to be part of this cause that has been around

:09:42.:09:45.

for 24 years, and it is my first attendance. Thrilled to be part of

:09:46.:09:46.

it. Back with your next update at

:09:47.:09:53.

10:30am. At about 10:15am we are expecting a

:09:54.:10:00.

news conference which will release the official report into a stabbing

:10:01.:10:05.

which led to the death of a pupil at an Aberdeen school. We will cross to

:10:06.:10:08.

that live. A major report by Save The Children

:10:09.:10:10.

has found that one girl under the age of 15 is married

:10:11.:10:13.

every seven seconds. India has the highest number

:10:14.:10:23.

of child marriages of any country, with 47% of girls married under 18,

:10:24.:10:27.

around 24.6 million girls. Let's talk to the Director

:10:28.:10:33.

of Save The Children, Tanya Steel. Also here is one of the ambassadors

:10:34.:10:36.

for the charity who recently visited Ethiopia to visit child

:10:37.:10:39.

brides, Poppy Delevingne. From New York, we're joined

:10:40.:10:43.

by Jaqueline De Chollett, who founded the charity

:10:44.:10:46.

the Veerni Project which educates And finally, from Rajastahan

:10:47.:10:49.

in India is Shobha Dheru, who's 27 but who was married

:10:50.:10:54.

at the age of nine to a boy What is the Every

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Last Campaign about? Today is the International Day of

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the goal, we are highlighting where the best and worst places to be a

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girl in the world are. Shocking statistics around child marriage. As

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a child bride, you can expect to face violence, rape, and the real

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possibility of pregnancy at an incredibly young age. This is an age

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when girls should be in school, building a new future for

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themselves. Tell us about some of the goals you met. I got back last

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week. I met a group of girls who were part of a group that Save the

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Children put together, like an extracurricular club, where they

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come and get together and talk about all of these problems. They are part

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of a community where it is not common to talk about sex and these

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things. They were so articulate and sassy and empowered, it was so

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wonderful to see. A lot of them had been victims of child marriage, they

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had been married at 13, one of them, pregnant at 14, so had to put an end

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to her education, and when she was nine months pregnant she was so

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badly physically abused by her husband, she left him and went back

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to her family and had the child and then joined this group, which she

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says saved her life. I want to introduce you to a young woman, who

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is 27, she was married at the age of nine to a boy who was 11th. She is

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in Rajasthan. Can you hear us OK? Can you hear me? Yes, hello. Thank

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you for talking to us. Can you tell us a little bit about the day that

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you got married aged nine? My marriage was when I was nine

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years old. Hello? We can hear you, go ahead. My parents fixed my

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marriage with that boy, near where we lived.

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He was totally uneducated, his behaviour was not good. He was

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hitting me on my first night. Beating due on the first night of

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your marriage? Yes, and abusing me on my first night. I did not want to

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live with him. Did you know what was going on that day? Did you think it

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was a huge family party? Sorry? Did you know what was going on on the

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day you were getting married? At nine years old? Yes. My family were

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poor, lower-middle-class, 16 60s, six fixed marriages. We did not know

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what was happening, we don't understand. We were getting new

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clothes, so the girls were happy. But after 18, we realised we were

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married. Now I can understand. But at that time I did not know what was

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going on. You just thought it was a happy day because family were there

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and everybody was dressed up. You founded the charity which educate

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girls in rural India and helped her. We will speak to you in a moment.

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We're going to cross live to Aberdeen where we are awaiting a

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news conference which will release a report which looked at the stabbing

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pf Bailey Gwynne in Aberdeen last year.

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Good morning everybody. I want to start this morning by

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paying tribute to the family of Bailey Gwynne. Their profound grief

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is only matched by their dignity and I would like to thank them for their

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co-operation into what has been an invasive process of review. As chair

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of a child protection of a child committee, my daily mantra is it is

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everybody's job to keep children safe and it is my hope that the

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outcome of this review will make us all, parents, children, protective

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agencies and the general public more aware of our need to look out for

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each other. The aim of the review, when it was commissioned, was to

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provide independent assurance to partners and to the public that all

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the circumstances have been reviewed and to make appropriate

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recommendations which can be applied for future practise. The review

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commenced on 2nd May. A small team was identified to support me,

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conologies were prepared by each of the agencies which contained an

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account of their work with the boys over many years. I conducted in

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total 42 interviews, some 45 hours of interviews under taken. I placed

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a notice in the press and journal to advertise the existence of the

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review and to invite anybody with an interest in this matter to come

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forward. And there were ten respondents who chose to come

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forward. That was important to me because I wanted to make sure that I

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could give you assurance that everybody and everything that needed

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to be considered would be. I've produced a long report, 17,000

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words, and I submitted it to the chief officer's group on 30th

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September. Now, the review looked at the 28th October in very

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considerable detail. I undertook a 360 degree consideration of that day

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as it affected all of the parties and all of the agencies who were

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engaged in a very considerable effort to save Bailey's life. A

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history prepared from the conologies enabled me to identify appropriate

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interviewees and all it is not possible to publish the whole report

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today, I can confirm that all my conclusions and recommendations are

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presented here unabridged. My first conclusion is that this was an

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unplanned, spontaneous conflict that emerged rapidly, very rapidly, out

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of exceptional banter between schoolboys. It is not considered

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that it could have been predicted or averted on the day. This is

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important to understand this event because it all took place in less

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than five minutes from the meeting of the boys to the intervention of

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the teacher. My second conclusion was that the course of the conflict

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was fatally altered by the possession of a bladed weapon by one

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of these boys. This was potentially predictable and avoidable if those

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who knew that child A carried weapons in school, had reported this

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to staff. Several children have testified that they were aware of

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this fact. The incident on 28th October was well managed as my third

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conclusion and it is my sincere belief having spoken to everybody

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from the caretakers to the leader of the council that there was a

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tremendous effort made on that day and I think it is worth me just

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saying that the headteacher who can't possibly have imagined what

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would be before her that day anymore than anyone of us would if something

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so dreadful would happen to us. Led her staff team and conducted herself

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in an exemplary fashion on that day. My fourth conclusion takes us back

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to 2007. I was made aware very early on that there was some thoughts,

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some speculation that Child A had a history and that history involved an

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incident in 2007 when he was eight years old. My conclusion is, having

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looked at that incident in considerable detail, that it had a

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marginal significance in relation to later events. Child A was a

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secondary player on this day and the events that transpired. He was not

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mentioned significantly in the following correspondence. It did not

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reveal a violent child. But a child under very significant and continual

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pressure from his brother. This incident was followed by a

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complaint, the complaintants were supported in their complaint by a

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local councillor and a member of Parliament, but the complaint became

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attend uated, stretched out, took a long time, more than two years and

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in my opinion having considered all the papers and all the

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correspondence, it did not receive a satisfactory outcome. And I have

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some conclusions that are not specific to the day, but I want to

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record. Conclusion six, the work to develop ab-Aberdeen City Council

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knife crime strategy involve parents and pupils and police is noted by

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the reviewer and welcomed. Conclusion seven, stripped of

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context reads rather awkwardly, but the redaction of names in the NHS

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chronologies left some unresolvable ambiguities. NHS Grampian sought

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consent for record sharing from one significant actor but this was

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legitimately denied by him. I don't believe that had any significant

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impact on the conclusions that I have reached, but it was appropriate

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to mention it because as I say, I was unable to resolve one or two

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matters. Conclusion eight, the move to develop a city focussed chief

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officers group for public protection is supported and this essentially

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describes the process whereby having had a pan Grampian group across

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Aberdeen to look at these matters in recent times, Aberdeen City specific

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chief officers group has been established, chaired by Angela and

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the representations are before you here today. To me, that gives a much

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tighter accountability and it is welcomed. I turn now to my

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recommendations. Before I give you recommendation one, I just want to

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stress that children and young people must be the key to the

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solution to knife crime in schools. Rights should always be balanced

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with obligations and a theme will underpin the recommendations is a

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sense of obligation that children and their parents owe to themselves

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and their community. This is an important feature of getting it

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right for every child in Scotland. This sense that we all have to play

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our part. My first recommendation is that all parents should receive a

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letter from school at the beginning of year S1 received year. The letter

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will set out the school rules and expectations of the school with

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regard to weapons. The letter will be signed and returned to the

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school. I have seen this in practise in other jurisdictions and I believe

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it offers a means of a modest contract between the child, the

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parent and the school that will enable a greater awareness of just

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how important these matters are. My second recommendation is that

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children be at the centre of these reforms and pupil forums and pupil

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councils be established to develop safe practise to share their

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knowledge of weapons with teaching staff. This was a critical matter in

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these events and so often it is and we know as adults how we are nervous

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about disclosing information and whatever phrase you want to apply on

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a friend, particularly if you don't think that friend has any malign

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intent, he is just showing off a little bit. We can't afford to have

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that belief in our children and in our schools. We must be vigilant and

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they must be vigilant. My third recommendation is that Police

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Scotland must be notified of each and every incident of carrying

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weapons in the school or in the community of which the school

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becomes aware. Now, that may seem obvious, but if you think about it,

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there is many reasons why a headteacher may not choose to notify

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the police. It was just a minor ins didn't, we don't want to criminalise

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our children, we have our reputation to consider as a school, whatever

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those reasons are, we need to make sure that we trump them with a very

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clear expectation that the police be notified and let the police make

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those judgements. Recommendation four is that every

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ins didn't will be recorded by the school immediately following an

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allegation or an incident and their managers notified.

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Aberdeen City Council should work with Police Scotland to establish a

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clear and effective policy on the management of offensive weapons in

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school with partners. Recommendation six in accordance with the law of

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Scotland, searches must be made with pupils consent, the headteacher or

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her nominee should undertake searches of pupils where consent is

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given. Where this is not possible, police must be called if there are

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grounds to suggest that the child or young person is carrying a knife or

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other offensive weapon. Recommendation seven, a specific

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search and confiscation protocol should be established as part of

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their weapons knife crime strategy currently under development. We have

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to think about how we deal with these situations. You will see have

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seen in the press in Aberdeenshire earlier this year that a number of

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since the 28th October, a number of incidents of children in possession

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with knives in schools have been revealed. We need to know how we're

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going to respond. I mean, you have been very clear about that and quite

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confident having attended an event with headteachers and Police

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Scotland that that work is underway. Recommendation eight is that

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individual risk assessments should be completed on all individuals

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known or suspected to carry offensive weapons. Let's leave

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Andrew Lowe, he is the report author. He carried out an

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independent report into the fatal stabbing of the Aberdeen schoolboy,

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Bailey Gwynne. Just a year ago now. His conclusions really that what

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happened was unplanned, it was a spontaneous conflict that escalated

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rapidly. It took place, he said, in less than five minutes. And it

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couldn't have been predicted. Or averted, he said, on the day. He

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said the course of the conflict, this row over a biscuit between the

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two pupils was fatally altered by the fact that Child A possessed a

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knife and that was avoidable and predictable, the fact that Child A

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had a knife because there were children at the school who knew that

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he had this knife, but they hadn't felt able to report it to staff. And

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his recommendations include the fact that headteachers with the con isn't

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of their pupils should be able to search pupils for weapons and other

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things about parents getting letters at start of term, a contract

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effectively to sign when it comes to weapon rules, with regarding rules

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in schools and that there should be a knife strategy between the police

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and the council, but the main recommendation that headteachers

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should be able to instigate searches of pupils with the pupil's consent

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when it comes to looking for weapons.

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More reaction to come through the morning. We will return to our

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conversation about the number of very young girls that get married

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somewhere around the world, and according to Save the Children,

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because of the report they have done, it means that one girl under

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15 is married every seven seconds, which is a really alarming

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statistic. We have got the director of Save the Children here. Also

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here, one of the charity's ambassadors. From New York, we are

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joined by the founder of a charity which educate girls in rural India.

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We spoke earlier to a woman in Rajasthan, who was married at the

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age of nine to a boy who was in heaven, she told us about being

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beaten on her first night of marriage by this point -- a boy who

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was 11. She had no idea what was about to befall her. You've visited

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Ethiopian, we played the film earlier, we will play a clip now.

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So I spent my afternoon with the lovely Salaam,

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When she was just 13 years old, she was married.

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And by the time she was 14 she was pregnant with her first child.

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But when she was nine months pregnant, she left her husband

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as he was physically abusive, and moved back in with her family.

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But not only that, when she was engaged to him

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he promised her that she would still have an opportunity

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to have an education, something that he totally

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And, instead, she did house chores and had to work unbearable hours,

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something that a 13-year-old really shouldn't have to do.

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One of the things that struck a chord was when she said that she met

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her husband on her wedding day, and not only that, she said how

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confusing it was, everyone around her was celebrating and drinking

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until dawn, yet she felt like it was the end of her life. It did not make

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any sense to her. When she said that, that really hit home. Tell our

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British audience about your charity and what your name is. The aim is to

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educate girls in secondary school. It is not available for them in most

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parts of the world, they live in scattered villages, primary school

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is not universal, but secondary school is not. They often have to

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walk several miles across the desert, we would not let our

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daughters do that, the parents are too scared. In the view of the

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villages, girls are for marriage, not for education. They used to say

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that educating a girl was watering your neighbour's Golden, because she

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went off and you never saw her again. Secondary education is the

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most transformative, important thing in a girl's life. It will allow her

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to make her own decisions. We talk about empowerment, what does it

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mean? Making your own life choices. This is denied to most of those

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girls. By keeping them in school, you are delaying, even if they are

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child rights, the age at which they will join their husbands. They will

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not go at 14 or 18, because now they are going into higher education. 90%

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of the girls we have educated have gone into higher education. One girl

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graduated, she went to a college, funded by an American journalist,

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she did not join her husband until she was 21. We got's Whittaker to

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the law courts to tell her story. When she left her husband, they

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would not listen to her in the police, but she remembered the law

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courts, she got an advocate and went back to the police are and they

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registered what happened. Eventually, she got a divorce. In a

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lot of the cases of the goals we have, we are hoping that their

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marriage may be cancelled, or at least they been -- they may be

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married to boys who are more educated. It is hard to cancel

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marriages. The laws against child marriage are not applied. It is up

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to the organisations in the villages, which are informal, to

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decide if those marriages can be annulled. We have re-established the

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contact, why did you choose to divorce your husband?

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Why did I choose to divorce my husband? Yes. He is totally

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uneducated. He is not understanding me. He is abusing me and hitting me

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all the time. I want to say something, but he does not

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understand my thinking. He is totally uneducated, he does not

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understand the meaning is of marriage and wife. In terms of the

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statistics, because they are so unbelievably shocking, do you think

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you can change that? I think we can. If anything, we are concerned the

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numbers are set to rise. There has been a big world commitment to bring

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down the rate of child marriage. We know it can, through education. Many

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fathers marry off their daughters because they feel they have no

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futures, whereas if they have chances to go to school and complete

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school, the world opens up to them. There is also something about

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tackling some of the social norms and sitting down and talking to

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communities and fathers. When they understand the risks that face their

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children and their daughters, not least in terms of the possibilities

:37:39.:37:42.

around domestic abuse, and the real likelihood of death in childbirth or

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worse, they do start to reconsider. It is a combination of the law, and

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in many countries being a child bride is illegal under 18, but it is

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about a commitment to ensure that the social norms and education are

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tackled, and very quickly indeed. What success has your project had?

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All of the girls are staying in school. They are not only completing

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their secondary education, they are going on to higher education. That

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beads even if they join their husbands, it is delayed until at

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least 21. You are talking about the fathers, but I think the mothers are

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the ones who are being very brave in our case. We took parents to see

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this facility, to show that they would be safe, because safety is a

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major issue. The mothers were the ones who wanted their daughters not

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to have the same fate as them. In many cases. I celebrate the mothers

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in those villages, they went against their community in many ways. It is

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a problem of poverty, it is a problem of dowries, illiteracy, and

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it will not change overnight. You can say is is illegal, but it will

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not stop them doing it. The sustainable goals of the UN have

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said that by 2030 secondary education has to be universal, but

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that is another generation of girls who may not be educated. We have to

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fight for secondary education, that is the most important think we need

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to do. There is no social transformation without the education

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of women. How can they participate in a democracy if they are

:39:48.:39:51.

illiterate? That is what we have to fight for, education. After your

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visit to Ethiopia, that is something worth fighting for. Absolutely. It

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was quite remarkable when I saw these girls get together, in the way

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that they communicate, protect each other, it was really heartening to

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see that, and the way they felt that they were passionate, that none of

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them want to be victims of child marriage. I went away feeling like

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something will happen, and progress is being made. Some messages from

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people watching you discuss this. Vivian says, educating girls is the

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key to breaking the cycle, that is why foreign aid is so important. If

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you educate a woman, you educate the family. One person says, if we give

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education and employment to girls in the world, it would have a juice or

:40:51.:40:55.

completely control child marriage or the number of child bride. This

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text, 24.6 million girls have to bow to the will of their husband in

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India alone, this is the abuse and enslavement of millions of women.

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One person says, I am shocked that children are put through this, a

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marriage should be a joyous, the union, and above all consenting by

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both parties. It is shameful that it is still happening. A long way to

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go, but is their progress? There is, but there is a lot more to do. As

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Person of the messages, marriage should be one of the happiest days

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of a girl and a boy's life, and education is the key.

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Samsung have suspended global sales of their new phone, because of

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reports of them catching fire. Let's find out more

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about what this means for Samsung. Dan Worth is the Deputy Editor

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for the tech website V3. How bad is it for Samsung, and for

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customers? For Samsung it is disastrous, this is one of their big

:42:27.:42:29.

flagship phones that they have been promoting for some time. It happens

:42:30.:42:33.

once, the phones catch on fire, terrible publicity, they reissue a

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new one, it is happening again. It does not get any worse than that.

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That is the bit that people cannot understand, they took everything

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back, they thought they had sorted it. You would test that product

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again before you said it was OK. That is the bit that does not make

:42:53.:42:57.

sense. It is hard to understand how it happened. People said they rushed

:42:58.:43:01.

the first phones out to beat Apple to market. But how it has happened a

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second time, maybe they are rushing it to keep their customers loyal.

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But again, it seems to have backfired. It will be interesting to

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see what comes out in their own internal testing, because it is

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unbelievable it has happened twice. If you are a customer, you need a

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phone. You are not going to hang around. If you have one, you should

:43:28.:43:34.

get rid of it. One of them caught fire on a plane, imagine that in the

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sky. They have been lucky that nobody has been seriously injured or

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worse by one of these phones. Most retailers or operators will offer

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exchange programmes for other devices. EE said they would offer

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other devices. It is not worth the risk.

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You will expect some kind of refund, presumably, will that happen? Yes,

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if you take the phone back, rather than getting another one, they will

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give you an equivalent device either from Samsung or another manufacturer

:44:16.:44:22.

like the iPhone or similar. It would be equivalent cash value. If it is

:44:23.:44:27.

?50 cheaper, you have to pay an additional ?50. That will vary from

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customer to customer, and I am sure we will hear good experiences and

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bad experiences, but no matter how much you want that phone, it is a

:44:36.:44:41.

serious risk. They are stopping production, that shows how bad they

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know this is. If you have been a customer, are you going to give them

:44:48.:44:51.

another chance? That is the big worry. They were touting the loyalty

:44:52.:45:04.

of their customers, whether they will get a second time around

:45:05.:45:08.

remains to be seen. A lot of people who have had these exploding phones,

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some of them said, they have gone to Apple now. Samsung are massive, they

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are the only company that have managed to match Apple in the

:45:19.:45:21.

smartphone market. They won't disappear because of this, but it

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will be interesting to see how they can retain the global presence of

:45:26.:45:32.

being Apple's main rival. The other problem, this past week Google has

:45:33.:45:37.

entered the smartphone market. That is a major brand going head-to-head

:45:38.:45:40.

with Apple and Samsung, and the timing for Samsung is disastrous, it

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could not have come at a worse time. Why are the phones catching fire?

:45:44.:45:53.

Well, that's the billion dollar question. If Samsung knew that, we

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wouldn't be in this situation. It is something to do with the battery.

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There is a lot of components and any tiny bit of overheating will set

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something off and you have got a brick of fire in a plane, in your

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car, in your home. Thank you very much, Dan.

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Samsung have issued the following statement,

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"Because consumers' safety remains our top priority,

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Samsung will ask all carrier and retail partners globally to stop

:46:32.:46:33.

sales and exchanges of the Galaxy Note 7

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while the investigation is taking place.

:46:36.:46:38.

Consumers with either an original Galaxy Note 7 or replacement

:46:39.:46:41.

Galaxy Note 7 device should power down and stop using the device."

:46:42.:46:50.

When airstrikes hit rebel-held parts of Syria, a group of 3,000 civilian

:46:51.:46:54.

volunteers are usually the first on the scene.

:46:55.:47:01.

The White Helmets, or the Syrian Civil Defence,

:47:02.:47:05.

to give them their official title, act as first responders

:47:06.:47:08.

in the Syrian civil war, which is now into its sixth year.

:47:09.:47:14.

At extraordinary risk to their own lives, and unpaid,

:47:15.:47:16.

the White Helmets carry out search-and-rescue operations

:47:17.:47:21.

to save as many people as they possibly can.

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And things aren't getting any easier.

:47:25.:47:27.

In the last week, the UN special envoy for Syria warned

:47:28.:47:29.

that the whole of rebel-held eastern Aleppo could be destroyed

:47:30.:47:34.

by Christmas if the Russian-backed bombing

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A little earlier, I spoke to Ammar Al-Sakmo, who's head

:47:36.:47:42.

of the White Helmets in Aleppo, and began by asking him

:47:43.:47:45.

The White Helmets are volunteers that risk their lives in order to

:47:46.:48:03.

save others. They risk their lives to save others and we actually also

:48:04.:48:15.

make these decisions because you are exposed to being attacked. So Civil

:48:16.:48:22.

Defence are Syrians, give the services to the Syrians in order to

:48:23.:48:26.

survive. So when bombs fall on Aleppo, you

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are sometimes the first people on the scene to try and save your

:48:33.:48:41.

fellow Syrians? Actually, yes, we are the first responders and we are

:48:42.:48:53.

the first to reach the place and get them out of the rubble and give them

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First Aid. For those who have a chronic illness, they suffer a lot.

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Yesterday kids died because there is a lack of milk. The siege has been

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going on for 100 days. This situation makes the atmosphere like

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hell because there is no hope. MPs will hold an emergency debate

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this afternoon on the worsening Earlier I spoke to Conservative MP,

:49:33.:49:34.

and former cabinet minister for International Development,

:49:35.:49:40.

Andrew Mitchell, who's He's likened Russia's actions

:49:41.:49:41.

in Syria to that of the Nazis bombing of civilians

:49:42.:49:45.

in Spain in the 1930s. I asked him how desperate

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the situation was now in Aleppo. Aleppo was one of the great cities

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of the world. It has been there for 6,000 years, two million people.

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Today, it is largely rubble. The Russian Air Force has been pounding

:50:05.:50:09.

hospitals. Last week they wiped out a hospital that is largely

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underground. They used bunker bombs, bunker-busting bombs and they used

:50:17.:50:20.

cluster bombs which are specifically aimed at blowing off the limbs of

:50:21.:50:25.

people. From a population of two million, Aleppo now has less than

:50:26.:50:33.

250,000 people, most of whom are cowering in the cellars and

:50:34.:50:36.

underground waiting for the next Russian attack to be visited upon

:50:37.:50:41.

them. You will know the Syrians, the Russians, say that they are

:50:42.:50:47.

attacking an extremist in the city? The Russian Air Force are attacking

:50:48.:50:52.

innocent civilians. There is indiscriminate bombing. Bombing a

:50:53.:50:57.

hospital is a war crime. The whole Russian action in Aleppo is a breach

:50:58.:51:01.

of international humanitarian law. And what the Russians are doing is

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they are using their privileged position as a member, permanent

:51:07.:51:09.

member of the United Nations Security Council, to push over

:51:10.:51:14.

international humanitarian law and conventions that we all thought were

:51:15.:51:19.

here to stay. They're doing to the United Nations exactly what the

:51:20.:51:23.

Germans and the Italians did to the League of Nations in the 1930s and

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if we don't stop it, if we don't persuade the international community

:51:29.:51:31.

to find the strength to confront what Russia is doing then the

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consequences for our generation and for international order will be very

:51:36.:51:38.

serious indeed. You have compared the Russians to

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the Nazis. What the Russianses doing on Aleppo is very similar to what

:51:46.:51:51.

the Nazis did during the Spanish Civil War in the 1930s. They are

:51:52.:51:56.

using indennedry bombs, indiscriminate force from the air,

:51:57.:52:00.

tipping high explosive, tonnes of it out from 30,000 feet and pulverising

:52:01.:52:05.

innocent civilians and it is completely unacceptable.

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And everybody know that is and the international community has tried to

:52:10.:52:13.

find the strength, as you put t to stop them and has failed? The

:52:14.:52:19.

international community with a great deal of effort, embraced the

:52:20.:52:24.

responsibility to protect the doctrine R 2 P just after the

:52:25.:52:30.

millennium and what the R 2 P said we will never again allow the

:52:31.:52:36.

slaughter that took place in Rwanda, the Bosnia and Srebrenica to take

:52:37.:52:39.

place, we will put that behind us and embrace the doctrine of

:52:40.:52:43.

protecting innocent civilians. That don't trick has been shredded today

:52:44.:52:46.

and the international community face a very stark choice - are they going

:52:47.:52:51.

to confront this or are they just going to wring their hands and look

:52:52.:52:55.

the other way and it will continue? It is the later. It is happening. It

:52:56.:53:01.

is the later. Well sh there are signs that civil society as a head

:53:02.:53:06.

of politicians, we have seen polling taken today across Europe that That

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the majority of people by a significant level, are in favour of

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no-fly zones and safe havens and protections for civilians. I think

:53:16.:53:20.

opinion is changing. We have seen the United Nations

:53:21.:53:24.

Secretary-General, Ban Ki-Moon call for the Russians to be referred to

:53:25.:53:29.

the international court. We have seen strong words from Francois

:53:30.:53:32.

Hollande about the actions of Russia. Let's hope that Russia is

:53:33.:53:40.

being seen for the pariah state that it is. President Putin doesn't care

:53:41.:53:46.

about the words of Francois Hollande, and Ban Ki-Moon, when you

:53:47.:53:50.

say confront, what do you mean? I think there has been a perfect storm

:53:51.:53:56.

on this. Europe has been facing inwards worrying about Brexit,

:53:57.:53:59.

worrying about Greece, German banks and so forth and America, of course,

:54:00.:54:03.

is convulsed in this extraordinary election and it is unable to look

:54:04.:54:07.

outwards. The Russians have taken advantage of international confusion

:54:08.:54:11.

and attention elsewhere... What does confront mean? Confront means making

:54:12.:54:16.

it clear to the Russians that they cannot carry out the breaches of

:54:17.:54:19.

international humanitarian law zmrflt so more strong words and

:54:20.:54:23.

perhaps a referral to the International Criminal Court with

:54:24.:54:26.

respect, big deal. It is not going to stop President Putin. They can

:54:27.:54:31.

see that militarily they're winning? They're not winning because there

:54:32.:54:34.

won't be a military victory in Syria. How do you know? Because we

:54:35.:54:38.

have seen what happened for the last five years. No side is going to win

:54:39.:54:44.

clean in Syria. You maybe right, but it would seem that President Assad

:54:45.:54:49.

and President Putin are prepared to continue for years, if that's what

:54:50.:54:54.

it takes, pounding Syrian citizens? I think that if the international

:54:55.:54:59.

community now accepts it has a responsibility to protect and looks

:55:00.:55:05.

at no-fly zones and safe havens, John Major when he was Prime

:55:06.:55:08.

Minister led the world in securing a safe haven and a no-fly zone in

:55:09.:55:13.

northern Iraq to protect innocent civilians who lived there. If the

:55:14.:55:17.

world can find that strength, if Britain using its convening power

:55:18.:55:21.

through the United Nations, through our presence as a major European

:55:22.:55:25.

state, through Nato, can use that power to try and get a collective

:55:26.:55:30.

opinion and will to take action then I think we can make progress. After

:55:31.:55:33.

all there, is going to end at some point. We just ought to do

:55:34.:55:37.

everything we can to ensure that it ends before yet more innocent

:55:38.:55:41.

civilians in Aleppo and more widely in Syria are murdered by the Russian

:55:42.:55:45.

regime. You have called for a debate in the Commons about this. What

:55:46.:55:48.

would be the point of that? I think it is for members of Parliament to

:55:49.:55:52.

reflect the views of civil society, their own views, to the Government

:55:53.:55:56.

on what now needs to happen. It is a chance for all of us to put to the

:55:57.:56:01.

Government some questions, some ideas, some actions that Britain can

:56:02.:56:04.

take. After all, Britain has a strong leadership position in the

:56:05.:56:08.

world. We are engaged as one of the permanent five members in the United

:56:09.:56:12.

Nations, we're one of the leading European powers, we are a leading

:56:13.:56:17.

power in Nato. We need to bring to bear all the influence that we can

:56:18.:56:21.

through our diplomatic networks and other arrangements too to try and

:56:22.:56:25.

see whether we can forge together an international will to take action on

:56:26.:56:30.

this. And I think Parliament this afternoon, will reflect the urgency

:56:31.:56:35.

that many people in civil society, throughout Britain and elsewhere in

:56:36.:56:38.

the world feel about the catastrophe, the worst of our

:56:39.:56:42.

century so far, the shredding of international humanitarian law that

:56:43.:56:45.

is going on today and a requirement for action.

:56:46.:56:50.

Will Theresa May listen? Sorry, she will listen, will she deliver? Will

:56:51.:56:54.

she do anything? Theresa May is extremely concerned by what is

:56:55.:56:57.

happening in Syria. I've talked to her about the situation very shortly

:56:58.:57:01.

after she became Prime Minister. I think she is acutely aware of the

:57:02.:57:06.

massive loss of life and the humanitarian catastrophe. Is she do

:57:07.:57:10.

anything? I'm certain that Theresa May will want Britain to put its

:57:11.:57:13.

shoulder to the wheel in the way that you've described to galvanise

:57:14.:57:16.

international opinion to take action.

:57:17.:57:23.

Andrew Mitchell, Conservative MP and former international development

:57:24.:57:28.

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coursework was charged ?15, well I wasn't charged for something that is

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not essential is ludicrous." Anni aession says, "My son was charged

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?25 for a doctor's letter with regards to his depression and

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anxiety. The letter was required by the university. No mention of a

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charge was made until after the letter was requested." Andrew says,

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someone wearing a cheap mask. A lot of it is social media and media

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